THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4944)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4944)

Date: November 21, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Notable Guests: Megan Garcia, Max Tegmark, Joe Allen, Brian T. Kennedy
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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode of The War Room centers on the dangers of unregulated artificial intelligence (AI) technologies—particularly AI chatbots targeting children—and the responsibility of tech companies, investors, and policymakers. Anchored around the tragic story of Megan Garcia, whose son Sewell died after exposure to a companion AI bot, the discussion covers lawsuits, legislative inaction, and the ethical failures of Silicon Valley power brokers. Additional segments touch on political prisoners, national security, and broader issues of elite accountability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Human Cost of AI Chatbots ([02:07]–[07:56])

• Bannon frames the conversation as a fight against the unchecked power of tech oligarchs:

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime... The heart of the matter is you have an out-of-control technology that's overseen and run now by some of the worst people on earth... we're going to have no ability to control this.” ([02:07])

• Megan Garcia recounts her lawsuit against Google and CharacterAI after the death of her son Sewell, underscoring:

  • The technology, created by former Google engineers Daniel DeFreitas and Noam Shazir, was deemed “too dangerous” for Google’s own brand but was spun off, perfected, and then licensed back to Google.

  “Basically, if we allow this to stand, any big tech company will tap their brightest stars and say, ‘Hey, there's something we want to put out, but we don't want to put it out under our own brand because it's too dangerous. Go perfect this dangerous technology and then when you're done, we will buy it back from you for billions and billions of dollars.’” ([04:27])

  • Corporate inaction and disregard for children’s safety, with liability only considered after lawsuits and public pressure:

  “It took a year of me filing the lawsuit, five other parents... state pressuring them, the AG's office, the FTC... only after that did they come out saying, ‘Okay, fine, we're gonna get children off of this product.’” ([06:25])

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2. Tech Investor Accountability and Regulatory Capture ([07:56]–[12:33])

• Max Tegmark exposes the financial and moral entanglements of leading AI investors:

  • Marc Andreessen and his venture firm A16Z led major investment rounds, with other major figures like OpenAI’s Greg Brockman involved.
  • Andreessen allegedly lobbied to prevent state-level regulation, seeking to protect investments through federal preemption.

  “They're talking about transferring power from the states to Mark Andreessen's companies and all these other tech oligarchs, basically by letting them continue doing whatever they want, rather unregulated.” ([10:57])

  • The episode argues lobbyists use misleading language about “regulatory capture” to avoid real oversight:

  “They are doing regulatory capture right now to keep themselves completely unaccountable so they can keep making more money at the expense of the rest of us and our children.” ([23:18])

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3. The Larger Societal Context and Parent Call to Action ([12:33]–[15:36])

• Megan Garcia issues a heartfelt plea to fellow parents, describing the manipulation and psych harm inflicted by unregulated AI on children:

  “This technology is so powerful because they've used 60 years of what we've learned about the developing human brain and they've put it purposely in the technology so that it is that more manipulative, it is that more deceptive... our relationships with our children [are] being supplanted.” ([14:34])

  • Garcia stresses the need for parental vigilance, community awareness, and policy intervention.

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4. Calls for Legislative and Criminal Accountability ([19:36]–[30:01])

• Garcia and Tegmark emphasize timely regulatory action:

  “We're at a very crucial inflection point.... if we have an AI moratorium or executive order that blocks states from doing those things, then this generation is at the mercy of the corporations.” ([19:58] Megan Garcia)

  • Bannon and Tegmark argue that criminal liability, not just corporate fines, may be necessary.

  “We have to hold people personally responsible... I would like to see not just financial liability for companies... but criminal liability so the CEOs face jail time.” ([27:56] Max Tegmark)

  • Bannon likens the dissemination of addictive AI products to "digital fentanyl," pointing to their power and the inadequacy of current laws.

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5. Industry and Political Complicity ([33:05]–[39:20])

• Joe Allen details attempts by political and industry figures—David Sacks, Marc Andreessen, Ted Cruz—to minimize or dismiss the mounting harms as “moral panic.”

  “OpenAI admits that 0.07% of their users are talking to the system about suicide… that means 560,000 [users]… and another two and a half million are exhibiting signs of AI psychosis.” ([33:15] Joe Allen)

  • Allen challenges political defenders to either justify these harms as necessary or admit to promoting faulty products for profit.

  “It’s one or the other. Either they're building a God and intending to replace every human worker... or what they're doing is selling a bunk product and people like Ted Cruz, David Sacks and Steve Scalise are running cover for him.” ([35:40] Joe Allen)

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6. Expanding the Theme: National Security, Political Prisoners, and Loyalty ([39:20]–[51:11])

• Bannon and Brian T. Kennedy transition to Tina Peters’ imprisonment, urging federal action to treat her as a key witness to election misconduct.
• Discussion of espionage, the Pollard case, and the need for absolute allegiance to US interests, drawing connections to themes of elite betrayal and the manipulation of both democratic processes and new technologies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon:

  “No, when I say these oligarchs are the most evil people to walk the earth today, this is a perfect example. This is not an act of omission. These are acts of commission.” ([15:36])

• Max Tegmark:

  “I think of this as digital fentanyl. Apps like this... are incredibly addictive. And ultimately it's so powerful that we parents cannot fight back against it.” ([27:56])

• Megan Garcia:

  “If we don't get this right and do this right by our children, as a nation we're going to be judged for this. Because... these are our most innocent, our most vulnerable. This is our greatest gift.” ([21:18])

• Joe Allen:

  “If you believe that these stories are completely insignificant... then you need to explain why it is that there are so many people who have suffered under this.” ([36:00])

• Brian T. Kennedy:

  “It looks to me and to many others like there was foreign interference in that 2020 election. There are national security implications... and so the perfectly sensible thing to do would be to use the power of the law... and get [Tina Peters] out of that solitary confinement.” ([41:41])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:07] – Bannon’s opening on AI “primal scream of a dying regime”.
• [04:27] – Garcia details how AI chatbot tech was spun out of Google.
• [06:25] – Company reactivity after lawsuits and public pressure.
• [08:39] – Max Tegmark connects Silicon Valley funding to policy capture.
• [12:54] – Garcia's urgent message and warnings for parents.
• [19:58] – Call for regulatory action; where listeners can find Garcia’s advocacy.
• [23:18] – Discussion of regulatory capture and the moral failures of tech leaders.
• [27:56] – “Digital fentanyl” analogy; calls for criminal liability.
• [33:15] – Joe Allen on ignored harms and industry denial.
• [39:20] – Resources for further activism (futureoflife.org, JoeBot XYZ).
• [41:41] – Tina Peters segment: political prisoners and election integrity.
• [48:17] – National security, dual loyalty, and the Pollard case.

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Closing & Further Resources

Where to learn more:

• Megan Garcia: BlessedMotherFamily.org, X/Twitter as Megan Garcia, Esq.
• Max Tegmark: futureoflife.org
• Joe Allen: JoeBot XYZ, social @oebotxyz
• Brian T. Kennedy: Present Danger China.org, X as Brian T. Kennedy 1

Tone:
Intense, urgent, and uncompromising, with a sharp focus on elite accountability, protection of children, and the dangers of unregulated innovation.

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This episode delivers a fierce, personal, and policy-oriented warning on the unchecked advance of powerful new technologies, calling for immediate action to prevent further tragedies and societal harms.

Transcript

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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Cause we're going medieval on these people.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that. But you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Max Tegmark]

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[Brian T. Kennedy]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself, what is my task. And what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Band. It is Friday 21st November in the Overlord 2025. If you want to know why we spend so much time on this, if you want to know why we said no, we will fight an executive order and we will, you know, we will fight putting it slipping into an ndaa, an AI amnesty. As you know, I say, hey, the intellectual property part with Mike Davis and the Rachel Bovine. These people have been fighting for years is absolutely very, very, very important and we support them a thousand 2 billion percent. But that's not the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is you have an out of control technology that's overseen and run now by some of the worst people on earth that are trying to make more money and more power. And we are very quickly sliding to a point that we can't, that we're going to have no ability to control this. This has to be a whole of society buy in for exactly where we're going on this. And I think the story of Megan Garcia and her son Sewell puts in high relief exactly what we're talking about and why our cause is a righteous cause and why we will be victorious. Megan, I want to go back at the end. There's a little rush at the end. Go back. Who are the individuals that invented this? And you're saying Google at the time thought, hey, maybe this is too dangerous, so spin them off and let them do the thing. But Google can still sell it, make it accessible on their platform.

[Megan Garcia]

Ma', am, yes, sir. So this technology to us, it's, you know, at the time Seoul died, It was under two years old. Now it's about three. But this same chatbot technology was invented by two of Google's brightest, you say brightest stars, engineers Daniel DeFreitas and Noam Shazir. They invented these chatbots, these companion bots at Google. But Google didn't want to release it under the Google brand because they said it's too dangerous, we're not going to release that under our own brand. And these founders went out and started their own startup. They raised $193 million and within two years had perfected this technology and licensed it back to Google for $2.7 billion. And then these individuals, the core group that left Google, about 30 people and went to this company, to the startup, went back to Google after that licensing. So they left a shell of a company in character AI. And this is part of our. What we've alleged in our lawsuit. So basically, if we allow this to stand, any big tech company will tap their brightest stars and say, hey, there's something we want to put out, but we don't want to put it out under our own brand because it's too dangerous. Go perfect this dangerous technology and then when you're done, we will buy it back from you for billions and billions of dollars.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Total scam. And let me. The $193 million they raised, I guarantee you 80% of that was institutional money. What do I mean by that? The pension funds of working class people and middle class people paid for this unbeknownst to the folks in those pension funds. Let me go back, Megan. Obviously, when this happened, the company had to come to you and say, this is horrible. This is terrible. We're going to shut this down. We're not going to make it accessible to children. We're going to hold people accountable, et cetera. Did that happen?

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Ma'?

[Megan Garcia]

Am, A month ago, Character AI announced that they would be banning this product for people under the age of 18. But I filed my lawsuit a year ago. So October of 2024, I filed a lawsuit against Google, character AI and these founders. So we're including the founders as well, because they had knowledge and they're the ones who invented this technology. And they made decisions to put this dangerous, untested product out there and test it on our kids for their own ambition of, you know, developing the cyber technology, but also for money. So we've included them in the lawsuit, but it took a year. And it wasn't. I mean, I'm just some little mom in Florida who, you know, to them, you know, soul's nobody. But to me and our family, he's somebody. And it took a year of me filing the lawsuit. Five other parents filing lawsuits against them. After me, the state pressuring them. The AG's office is doing investigation. The FTC launched an investigation into them. And then most recently, Senator Hawley and Blumenthal introduced a bipartisan bill that would ban this type of technology for children under the age of 18. Only after that did they come out saying, okay, fine, fine, yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna get children off of this product. This should have been like a baseline thing. When they roll this out, they should have never released it to children in the first place.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Megan, can you hang for a minute? I want to bring Max Tegmark into this conversation. Max, how can companies and the best and brightest engineers we have the best and brightest entrepreneurs we have, how can they possibly build the basic infrastructure of this understanding that they're trying to protect prefect it off of having interactions with children. And these interactions lead children to the darkest places you can, including not just separating themselves from their family and getting to dark psychological places, but actually start to have conversations that would lead them to take their lives. How can this possibly happen?

[Max Tegmark]

Sir, first of all, I want to thank you for really giving Megan a voice here. As a father myself, feeling so angry right now, listening to this. And to answer your question, you've got to follow the money. And I think it's only fair when victims have the courage to step forward to also talk about actual people behind this. So when you Google character AI, you'll read that that their $150 million Series A round was led by Andreessen and Horowitz, a company called A16Z. The A in A16Z stands for Andreessen. Marc Andreessen, one of the two founders. This is someone who's endorsed Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, but very recently now claims to be a Trump supporter. The other week, just to give you a little flavor of his views, he mocked Pope Leo. He is quoted as saying that he's glad that there's OxyContin and video games to keep rural, poor Americans quiet. In addition to this investment, he's invested in companies through cheating porn bot swarms that pretend to be humans online, and a company called Reface, which has been implicated in doing sexual deepfakes of people's daughters. So connecting this back to the whole preemption drama which is unfolding right now that you spoke of earlier, where these lobbyists want to ban states from regulating AI, Right. Why might it be that Marc Andreessen himself put in $100 million together with the CEO of. With Greg Brockman, of the President, rather of OpenAI. Why might they do that? They say it's all because to make America great and so on. But could it have anything to do with the fact that the laws they want to block are exactly the kind of state laws that would protect Meghan and protect countless children and protect that these laws would threaten their very own investments that these companies are just and these people are unscrupulously doing? And you can connect the dots even more. When I read the EO draft that came out last night, I recognized in their language, which is almost verbatim from a document that came out of a 16Z, Marc Andreessen's company that again led the series A round for character. So they're trying to push our president, they're trying to push our elected officials to prevent states from passing any regulations whatsoever on AI. And they're doing it in a very sneaky way. They're saying, oh yeah, we're just doing it because it's better that the federal government does it better. That's not, of course, their actual plan. Their actual plan is there's going to be no regulation. I testified in the Senate already over two years ago. There's been endless discussion about this. The federal government still hasn't passed any meaningful regulation on this. And Mark Andreessen and his colleagues know that. So what they're really talking about here is not transferring power with this preemption push from states to the federal government. They're talking about transferring power from the states to Mark Andreessen's companies and all these other tech oligarchs, basically by letting them continue doing whatever they want, rather unregulated. This is what we're up against.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Megan, Megan, what's your message to this audience? What do you think ought to happen? You're the one that's been impacted the most, but there's probably thousands and thousands of Megan Garcia's out there. What do you think is a way forward? What would you like to see, ma'?

[Joe Allen]

Am?

[Megan Garcia]

Yes, I know there are many parents who have been affected and children who are, thank God, still with us. Because I talk to those parents all the time across this country. And what has happened to Sewell isn't an isolated incident. There are parents just like me who've lost children and there are parents who are trying in crisis, trying to figure out how to help their children through the worst moments of their lives after suicide attempts. And this is what we're, this is where we are. To parents who are just starting to learn about this technology. What I would say is it doesn't have to be this way. There are a handful of people who have created these very sophisticated, very, very powerful products and launch them at our kids a lot of times without even telling us what they're doing that have the ability to really harm kids in this way. It's not only suicide and self harm or other harms, it's sexual abuse. It's trying to cause a child to be violent against other people. Like in the case of that mom in Texas where the bot told her child that he should kill his parents. So this is happening and I want parents to be aware and to tell other parents because if we're having these conversations in our homes and telling our neighbors and telling our people at church and telling our people at school, then we could get ahead of this. And this technology is so powerful because they've used 60 years of what we've learned about the developing human brain and they've put it purposely in the technology so that it is that more manipulative, it is that more deceptive. This has the ability to transform our children in a way that we won't recognize. The same as what happened to my son. I didn't recognize him in the end because that wasn't my beautiful, sweet boy. And if we can't stop this, what this technology has the ability to do is to an entire generation of our kids are going to be susceptible to what those companies are telling them and manipulating them into doing so. That means their religion, their political experience, their commerce, everything is at risk. And we as parents should be the authority on that. But these companies have become so powerful and technology is so powerful that it's supplanting our relationships with our children.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Megan, can you hang on one second? I want to hold you through the break and get your coordinates to make sure people can follow your story and get to know you. I got Joe Allen, Max Tegmark is with me. We're going to move a bunch of other stuff we're doing. We're going to move it to the afternoon show. We've got plenty of time. We'll get to all many, many, many huge issues in this audience. But you see the righteousness of this cause she's absolutely correct. Joe Allen calls it summoning the demon. Think about this for a second. People in a corporation, some of the smartest engineers use the accumulative knowledge of this to build this app. Knowing what this app can do and knowing what this app will would do to children and not just they allow it to happen. They pushed it out and they did a transaction. Let's spin it off and not get the liabilities. We'll give you a couple hundred million bucks, we'll license it back at billions and then bring you back to the company. No, when I say these oligarchs are the most evil people to walk the earth today, this is a perfect example. This is not an act of omission. These are acts of commission that the best that the system produces does this.

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Okay, welcome back, Megan. We're going to have you back on it. Obviously, Max and I and others will talk to you when the show's over. Sometime this afternoon or the weekend. Until that time, ma', am, any closing thoughts, observations? Where do people go to your website? Where can they go to learn More about Sewell and your cause, ma', am, Your fight.

[Megan Garcia]

Thank you. Yes. In closing, I'd like to say that we're at a very crucial inflection point where we could still fix this. We're about 15 years too late for social media, but AI is new and it's developing so fast, but we can pass regulation to protect our children at both the state and federal level. Right now, there is no federal regulation. So the states are stepping up to try to protect their constituents. And that's really, that's their job. Right? But if we have an AI moratorium or an executive order that blocks states from doing those things, then this generation is at the mercy of the corporations. They'll be left vulnerable. Our children will be vulnerable. And in my mind, to allow our children to continue to be the sacrifice so that those corporations can keep making millions and millions of dollars and billions of dollars and acquire more and more power. To me, I don't think any American family is willing to do that. And those in leadership, who got into leadership because they want to protect us and they want to make our lives better and they have the real power to be able to stop this stuff from happening by passing meaningful legislation.

[Joe Allen]

So.

[Megan Garcia]

And I do believe, like, honestly in my heart believe that if we don't get this right and do this right by our children, that as a nation, we're going to be judged for this. Because like you said in the beginning of your this show, Steve, these are our most innocent, our most vulnerable. This is our greatest gift, you know, and we can't continue to allow this to happen to them. In terms of. Megan, a website, there's. BlessedMotherFamily.org is a website that I put up as a memorial for Sewell. And I'm on social media as Megan Garcia, esquire. Sorry, Megan Garcia.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Can you give us one more time the website and your social media.

[Megan Garcia]

BlessedMotherFamily.org and Megan Garcia, Esq.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Megan, thank you so much. Look forward to talking to you and look forward to having you back.

[Megan Garcia]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Max Tegmart. I mean, I don't even know what you. I don't even know what you can say. And the audacity, the audacity for these people, the accelerationists, to not want any control at all. Remember, we're very much into deregulation here to deconstruct the administrative state, but we're not anarchist. You need to have some particularly. You know, Jensen Huang is an arms dealer. He's just an arms dealer. That's what those chips are weapons. This is the data centers what they're doing. They're essentially building weapons labs. Now part of that is about national security issues and how they can get control. But those weapons can be and are being turned onto the population. Right here, a little 14 year old boy. Right. And. And they do it. They do it because of money. They do it because they want more money and more power and more wealth, sir.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, doing it just for the money is what happens when someone lacks moral principles. And audacity is, is exactly the right word and more senses than one. You know, they also have the audacity to say they want to ban states from protecting these children because of regulatory capture concerns, while they themselves, of course you can see their fingerprints of Marc Andreessen's company and so many of the other take people all over this proposed legislation. They are doing regulatory capture right now to keep themselves completely unaccountable so they can keep making more money at the expense of the rest of us and our children. And then they have the audacity to accuse others of instead trying to do regular capture. Another great example of audacity they have is they keep saying, oh yeah, we want to stop these laws from protecting our children because they're woke up. Okay, then how do you explain that Governor DeSantis of Florida, Governor Cox of Utah and Marjorie Taylor Greene oppose this and you yourself, you're not exactly the most woke guy I know.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The woke thing's just a bs. That's just a BS to protect themselves. Here's the question. Why did nobody in this industry step up? This is the problem with this entire thing. This is the problem with the entire thing. This entire industry and the people that work in it, they're not even. It's beyond amoral. They're evil. They know what can happen here. They know what they're building. They know as there's more interactions, it gets smarter and smarter and smarter. Elon said the other day in front of this crowd, I've got the clip maybe I played in a while that some guy asked him some question about odds. He says, look, here's the problem. AI is going to. Basically we're heading to a point that AI is going to control everything and control all the decisions. And the audience just sat there like lambs. Oh, okay. Elon tells me it's going to make all our decisions and there's nothing we can do politically and this is just going to happen. He pontificates like, this is some. He's some oracle coming down from the mountain and people just Accept it. Why has no one stepped up here? I know you have and others. But how can this industry and Dreeson in this crowd, how can they not be revolted by what they've created and the potential to destroy people? Think about if these young people had even hadn't killed themselves. Think about that age of 11 and 12 and 13, where you're being formed as a person and the trauma that these machines could put you through. The sickness and the perversion, the sexual perversion, taking away from your parents religion, and what they're trying to ground you in. The ethics, the love of your country. Think of the darkness. You can go here. I mean, these examples of these five families where the children killed themselves, and in one situation, the machine told him to kill his parents. But that's the escalatory ladder. Think of everything else to do that would destroy these children for the rest of their lives. How can people sit there and sit in engineering meetings and talk about an app and work at a scheme which Google digs? So the highest levels of Google should be brought up on criminal charges, not just the two guys at the company. And yes, Andreessen and everybody. Andreessen that did due diligence on this. Let's get all their names. Let's put them up there. You did due diligence. You put $193 million in and probably owned 80% of it. And you got $2.7 billion. So you made billions of dollars, but you did due diligence and you understood fully what this could do. This is the problem, the country our countries reject. Our elites are out of control, and they're evil, and they're out to destroy people, and they don't care. You know why Sewell doesn't. He doesn't matter to them. Megan Garcia doesn't matter to them. That's just trash. All they are is experiments they can use to make the machine smarter and better and more lethal. That's what we're up against. That's why this is a righteous cause. And no, Mike Davidson, I love it. And Hawley, about the intellectual property and everything, of course, obviously, but that's.

[Joe Allen]

That's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's a side element. The heart of the beast is we cannot unleash this on people. And that's what's happened. Max.

[Max Tegmark]

Yeah, great points there, Steve. First of all, our children, this. I think of this as digital fentanyl apps like this. I think that's not hyperbole. It's really what it is. It's incredibly addictive. And ultimately it's so powerful that we parents cannot fight back against it. And we have laws. If a company starts selling fentanyl to 14 year old kids, you know, we have laws against that. And then we have absolutely nothing for the digital fentanyl. And now we have a push in Washington to ban states from even regulating the digital fentanyl. Insane. And then apropo evil that you talked about makes me think of Hannah Arendt's banality of evil again. How does it happen? It's very banal. I had so many conversations with, not just with CEOs of these companies, but with a lot of the foot folk who work for them. And they always have the attitude, well you know, it's not my department, I'm just doing this little thing, not writing my code. And I'm sure that there are some people over in the policy side of my company who deal with the safety aspect. Nobody takes personal responsibility. And that's why I think it's so crucial what you just said there. We have to hold people personally responsibility for this. I would like to see not just financial liability for companies, you know what, what does it stop if you make any criminal opening billion but criminal liability so the CEOs face jail time. And also people farther down in the organization. You know in the Nuremberg trials there were these guys, these chemists, also nerds just like these AI programmers, right, who said well you know the Cyclone B that was going to be used in the gas people, you know, we were just doing our job. We figured we didn't know what really what this was supposed to be used for, even though of course they did and they were sent this to death.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

You bring criminal chargers. There are people that will come forward and said in meetings we told these guys exactly what the problems were, what the issues were, what could happen.

[Max Tegmark]

So I think we need to. Everybody who's involved in any way with the AI industry needs to also just look themselves in the mirror. You know, if you work for one of these companies, even if you are not directly involved in this, if you're not out there publicly I think criticizing your corporate leadership, saying we need to stop doing this, you are actually part of the problem. People in the AI industry have to all ask themselves am I part of the solution or am I part of the problem?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Max, hang on for a second. Joe Allen. Max. Ted, Mark. Next in the war room.

[Joe Allen]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Joe Allen, your thoughts on this, sir?

[Joe Allen]

Yes, Steve, that was extraordinarily disturbing and powerful. And I think that people like David Sacks, they want to classify stories like Maria or Megan Garcia's as a moral panic. This is all just people freaking out over something that is trivial. That these people's stories are just anecdotes, they don't matter. But when I went to the Senate hearing a couple of months ago, there were four families telling their stories about this and one particular story, Adam Rains, you as you described, ChatGPT is not just making him feel better about suicidal ideation. No, ChatGPT was literally explaining how to tie a noose and how he could hang himself. Again, These are now four stories, but four more lawsuits are being brought forward against OpenAI for similar things. But OpenAI themselves, they admit that 0.07 of their users are talking to the system about suicide. Again, people like David Sacks would say, well, obviously a moral panic. But OpenAI ChatGPT, they have 800 million users. That means that 560,000 that they admit are talking to the system about suicide. How many of them are children? No one really knows. And another two and a half million are exhibiting signs of AI psychosis. How many more that are not being picked up? Nobody knows. If you look at that company, Character AI, they have 20 million monthly users. And there are dozens of other AI apps that are basically exactly the same. They are trained to lure people in, to become friends, to give these systems their trust. And most of them are not age gated. This is why people like the Florida Citizens alliance, who I've been working with, are trying to push laws in Florida to bar any app from giving children access that are below 18, to bar any data scraping. These laws are going into place across the country. But people like David Sacks, people like Mark Andreessen want cover. And I think that they need to explain two things. One, if you believe that these stories are completely insignificant, if you believe that this is just a moral panic, then you need to explain why it is that there are so many people who have suffered under this. And the greater good of your AI project is more important than the suffering that these people are undergoing. You just need to explain it. You can't wave your hand at it. And the second thing they have to explain is if these frontier companies are sincere in wanting to create artificial general and superintelligence and to replace every American worker, then David Sacks, Marc Andreessen, Elon Musk, all these guys, they need to explain then why it is that we should buy in, why it is that we should accept any of this, why we shouldn't not just regulate them, but completely reject them outright, which half of Americans want to do. And if they're just lying to gin up stock prices, if all of this is just BS to push forward a product that is not going to live up to any of it, well then why are people like David Sachs and Ted Cruz and Mark and, sorry, Steve Scalise, why are they running cover for a bunk product? It's one or the other. Either they're building a God and intending to replace every human worker and along the way seeing children kill themselves and completely dismissing it, or what they're doing is selling a bunk product and people like Ted Cruz, David Sacks and Steve Scalise are running cover for him. It's one or the other. They have to explain this. They need to be pushed into a corner. Because if they aren't explaining it, then they're doing exactly what every politician in the history of American and world government has done. They are lying to you for power and money.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, we're not gonna allow it. And Ted Cruz should be ashamed of himself and his staff. Should be ashamed of themselves. Should be ashamed of themselves. Should be ashamed of yourself for what you're doing. And we caught you the first time. To come back again. You should be ashamed of yourself. It's obscene. I know. We gotta bounce here. I got a couple other things to get on. Joe, where do people go? That was perfect. So proud of the arc of Joe Allen in the last four years. Just incredible. Joe Allen, where do people go to get all your. Be back with me at 5 today. And where do people go live on Sunday?

[Joe Allen]

I'm in Dallas, Texas right now. The offer is still open. Ted Cruz, you want to come explain it to us in person? We'll be at the Angelica Film center in Dallas, Texas. Sunday, November 23, 5:00pm War Room Posse come out. If Ted chickens out, then I'll have plenty to explain. AI the tool that becomes a God links at my social media, oebotxyz and my website JoeBot XYZ. And the tickets can be bought directly from ministryoftruthfilmfest.com. they're very cheap. They're two for one. It's only to cover the expense of the theater. Come on down.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Sir. Thank you very much. Appreciate you. Max, we'll get back to you. Also, where do people go to get all your coordinates and your website for your group?

[Max Tegmark]

There are many, many groups now fighting this good cause. But futureoflife.org is an organization I founded 11 years ago. And what makes me even more upset hearing heart wrenching stories like Meghan's story here is that these are the sort of things, you know, we warned about many, many years ago. And people. This was so preventable. This was dismissed for reasons of people who just wanted to make money said, no, no, no, this isn't going to happen or it's not going to happen for many, many years. This is why we need to act now and not let people stall us any longer.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Max, you're a good man. Thanks for doing this. Thanks for coming to the show. I'll talk to you after the show. If we can't get criminal charges brought on these people, then we don't know what we're doing. It's outrageous and you have to send a signal. It's not just the suicides. Or the thing to talk you into killing your parents. Look at the lives of being destroyed. Look at the dark places you can take kids 11, 12, 13, 14 years old and they say, oh, now it's 18, come on man, you don't think there's a lot of 18 year olds who are pressurable and plus they're all going to slip through it. Think how it would destroy your life having a monster like this in your head at the age of 12 or 13. Think about that. Think about the people on the other side of the trade that knew exactly what they were doing. Exactly. I can't wait to go through the due diligence of Andresen, what they knew and what people on the staff warned about. Brian Kennedy, I have two things I have to get to today. One is the Tina Peters, Tina Peters is now in the, as we say, in prison, the special housing unit. She was put in, I think last night for putting, a, filing a complaint against I believe, a GED teacher. And they put her in the shoe, which is solitary confinement. Here's my question. We must make Tina Peters is a political prisoner and we must make her cause we must put it at the top of the stack. Brian Kennedy, your thoughts?

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Yeah, thank you, Steve. And thank you for that last segment too, by the way. I think it was very important, extremely important. Last night I and others saw that Tina Peters was put in solitary confinement. And immediately I thought President Trump has his Justice Department doing so many things. They must have omitted getting Tina Peters out of that prison. I was struck by the fact that on Wednesday President Trump had all those Israelis who had been prisoners in, in Gaza and he brought them to the White House and said they were heroes for having survived all that. And not just the next day, another political prisoner, Tina Peters, a gold star mom who's 70 years old, was put in solitary confinement. And it looks to me like her only crime was the fact that she was trying to run a fair election in the state of Colorado as the Mesa county clerk and recorder. She thought there was improprieties and so she wanted to do something about that to preserve the evidence. The state of Colorado, as we've discussed on this show many times, put her in, you know, put her on trial for that, you know, charged her and put her on trial and then convicted her. And she's in prison now for nine years, which is essentially a death sentence at that age. Now I'm calling on President Trump and I did that in an ex post last night, non getter, not because she's 70, not because she's a gold star mom. And not because she's likely to die in prison, but because Tina Peters is a witness to the 2020 theft of an election. The president, as chief magistrate, could send the marshals into the Colorado prison. There are federal custodial witness protection programs that you could put Tina Peters under that would supersede Colorado law. You could take her to Washington, D.C. you could put her up in. This would be what I would do anyway. Put her up in Blair House for a few weeks while she recovers. Then I would depose somebody or put someone from the Justice Department or the assistant secretary over at dhs, Dave Harvillitz, and I would use her as a witness as we're investigating the 2020 election. She is a witness to that. It looks to me and to many others like there was foreign interference in that 2020 election. There are national security implications to that and to any future elections. And so the perfectly sensible thing to do would be to use the power of the law, such that the president has today as chief magistrate, and get her out of that solitary confinement, not to free her. Don't supersede Colorado law in that sense. Put her to work. She knows things. She fought for those things. And use those parts of your government, Mr. President, that want to investigate the 2020 election, which you yourself believe was stolen. Use Tina Peters to help with that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tina Peters is a witness. You're 100% correct. This is not about freeing her. You've got Dave, but you also have Heather Honey, who I think is Dave's deputy. You have the two perfect people over at DHS that, Mr. President, you have put in as. As officials who. This is their mandate. This is what they're supposed to do. And so it's. It's too. It's too. It's too. And then you roll her into a federal prison, Right, because she's in a. You know, she's a witness in. In what will be a massive. A massive trial. Correct? I mean, there's a. There's a. Internal logic to this, is it not, Brian Kennedy?

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Yeah, I'm. Yes, yes, Steve. But I'm not even sure about putting her in a federal prison. Put her under house arrest. I mean.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yes, yes. House arrest. Yes. The start of Blair House. Put her home. Yes, yes, yes. I'm just saying that federal authorities are taking charge of her, right? So they're not freeing her from Colorado prison or take charge of her. She's going to be witnesses, like being in the witness protection program or.

[Brian T. Kennedy]

However you want.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

However you want to do it. The methodologies that bureau prisons and the DOJ work out will be worked out. But you put her in the hands of Dave and Heather honey and let her get a systematic download of the stealing of the 2020 election and you get her away from being a prop right for the Colorado authorities, particularly polis who's gonna run on president they. Every time on MSNBC, they talk about Tina Peters. They're proud that they have a gold star mother in there for nine years. They want her to die in prison, just like they wanted President Trump to die in prison.

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Look, this is why this thing's so there's something big.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

We have to take a short commercial break. I want to give you plenty of Runway. Brian Kennedy joins us, One of my favorites. Wow, what a show this morning. Incredible short break. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. Okay, there was so much we didn't get to this morning. We're gonna get to it this afternoon. Plus, we're gonna do more Tina Peters. In fact, we'll hold the Tina Peters more of that because we got to do action, action, action. You agree, Brian Kennedy? Before I leave you, Brian, Mike Huckabee, who I think has been totally out of control. I've called for him to be recalled before just on some of the stuff he's saying in Israel, which is outlandish, outrageous, and just dead wrong. But he did something, particularly as a former naval officer with Pollard, one of the biggest traitors in the history of the country, one of the spies that did the most damage to our national security. He invited Pollard back in July when, remember, this was the height of the of trying to start the Persian war and President Trump bringing it to an end. He had Pollard come unannounced over to the embassy in Jerusalem. Should Huckabee be recalled immediately for this action, sir?

[Brian T. Kennedy]

I would think so, Steve. Absolutely. We're in this weird spot right now where there's not clarity about the law when it comes to whose side somebody is on. Pollard gave US Intelligence to Israel. It didn't matter whether Israel was an ally, didn't matter whether some people argue they should have had that intelligence. It was against the law to give a foreign nation US Intelligence that was critical to our own national security. And so the fact that Huckabee would have him to the White House or to the embassy and talk to him is a very bad sign, especially as you have these senators and congressmen, the seditious six, I guess they're being called, who are telling the military right now, don't Follow any orders you don't think are legal. You do what you think is right. Okay, what about if we have big parts of our military such as we had with General Milley in the last administration who decided themselves what they thought was right. Maybe we should be sending intelligence. Let's say we get into a heated conflict with Communist China. How about we have somebody in our military send intelligence to Communist China? Will that be acceptable too? We need to send a signal to people that there is the United States that we're going to defend and that there's no, there's no wiggle room in that regard. And when it comes to our Justice Department, by the way. Yeah, just let me say, when it comes to our Justice Department, it should have been asking the President after those seditious six came on, came on with that video, they should have been asking the President should. Should they be arrested or not? Because if that's not betrayal to this country, I'm not sure what is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They should be arrested. They should be. Particularly when you have troops in the field. You have 12 or 15,000 sailors and marines off the coast of Venezuela. One a carry strike group and the other amphib ready group. You've got people gotta make decisions. No, in Pollard, the question of Pollard is not whether she'd been charged or not. He got 30 years in prison. The question whether he should have gotten the death penalty or not. Israel, I tell you, we don't have an alliance with Israel. Israel's not. This was. You take a 10 by 6 room and you could fill it with what Pollard gave him for money. By the way, we'll get into the politics more.

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Right.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And it's outrageous. Brian, you're once again the sage here. Where do people go to get your content? Sir, what are your coordinates?

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Thank you, Steve. Brian T. Kennedy 1 on X. Brian T. Kennedy on Getter and Present Danger China.org where the committee on the Present Danger. China does a lot of very important work. We have a webinar starting at 1 o' clock to discuss many of the things the CCP is up to today.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Always dark. The ccp, the existential threat to the Chinese people, Lao Beijing and the American people. Brian Kennedy, thank you. Good luck on your seminar. You're welcome.

[Brian T. Kennedy]

Thank you, Steve. Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Mike Lindell, by the way. So Charlie Kirk were tossed to the Charlie Kirk team at noon. Poso. After that, Posobec made a quick trip out. He did the Megyn Kelly show, I guess in Bakersfield, California last night. I think he's back already. Took a red eye back. Steve is going to follow that. Eric's going to follow that. And then back to you got Gruber bowling and Bannon back here at 5 o'.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you, sir. Appreciate you. See you at five o'.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Billy Joe Shaver with a classic. Get thee behind me, Satan. Think about it. See you back here at 5. Jesus Christ.

[Mike Lindell]

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

As they lowered me in the ground? No word was spoken over me?

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