THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4966)

Summary

THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 4966)

Date: December 2, 2025
Host: Steve Bannon
Platform: Real America’s Voice, iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This episode of "The War Room" with Stephen K. Bannon is a snapshot of contemporary MAGA-aligned political activism, election mobilization, and conservative culture war commentary. The show covers breaking election developments in Tennessee’s 7th Congressional district, Turning Point’s redistricting campaign in Indiana, a deep dive into ideological conflicts affecting Christian America, and live updates from D.C. power centers such as the Pentagon and Capitol Hill. Regular guests like Matt Van Epps, Garrett Gallie, Dave Brat, Megan Basham, and Jack Posobec deliver a fast-paced, combative, and unapologetically partisan overview of “the state of the republic,” blending campaign tactics, policy battles, and meta-political arguments about culture and the future of the right.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Mobilizing the "War Room" Audience for Tennessee’s 7th District Election

[02:57–07:01]

• Guest: Matt Van Epps, Army combat veteran & TN-7 Congressional Candidate
• Main Message: Urgent call for Republican voter turnout in a critical election; Van Epps underlines narrow race margins and frames the contest as essential for the “America First” direction.
• Coordination with GOP Leadership: House Speaker Johnson’s direct involvement; multiple rallies and telerallies with Trump’s participation.
• Practical Info: Polling locations and campaign resources available at matt4tn.com and “Matt for TN” social media handles.
• Notable Quote:

  “Your vote might be the one that decides this election and it decides the direction we’re going to move this country. And that’s an America first direction.” — Matt Van Epps [04:14]

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2. Turning Point’s Redistricting Blitz in Indiana

[07:05–15:47]

• Guest: Garrett Gallie, National Enterprise Director, Turning Point Action
• Context: Upcoming Friday rally at Indiana State Capitol to pressure GOP state senators into approving a more aggressively Republican-leaning congressional map (from 7:2 to 9:0 GOP).
• National Stakes: Framing Indiana as a “last line of defense” for GOP control of the House and Trump’s legislative agenda.
• Internal GOP Friction: Some Republican senators resistant due to “petty, tyranny, and self-righteous” motivations; accusations of establishment unreliability.
• Left–Right "Uniparty" Doxxing: Garrett recounts being doxxed after organizing efforts, interpreting it as validation of being “over the target.”
• Engagement: Rally details and sign-up at tpaction.com/rallyindiana.
• Notable Quote:

  “If we lose the House next year, Democrats are gonna make it extremely difficult on the Trump administration to do anything… For these Republicans that are opposing this, it’s for petty reasons, it’s for tyranny reasons, and it’s for self righteousness reasons.” — Garrett Gallie [09:26]

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3. Republican Grassroots—Young Voters and the “Numbers Game”

[19:58–22:23]

• Host & Panel: Steve Bannon, Dave Brat
• Discussion:
  • GOP electoral mobilization depends on strong voter turnout, especially among young and Christian voters.
  • Importance of “force multipliers”—spreading turnout reminders via social/online connections.
  • Voting as a civic and spiritual obligation.
• Notable Commentary:

  “Voting is a privilege. It’s a right. It’s a duty. God wants us to participate in the civil realm to ensure justice.” — Dave Brat [19:58]

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4. Culture Wars: “Empathy” as a Wedge in Christianity

[22:55–36:33]

• Guest: Megan Basham, Journalist & Author
• Key Topic: How progressive political strategies, especially around “empathy,” are shifting the discourse within evangelical Christianity and being leveraged to push left-leaning positions (BLM, immigration, LGBTQ, climate).
• Axios Article Reaction: Agrees “empathy” is being weaponized to steer evangelicals left; distinguishes true biblical compassion from manufactured empathy that suppresses critical inquiry and justice.
• Examples Used: BLM movement, transgender issues, immigration NGOs like World Relief; criticism of evangelical leadership for drift from their conservative base.
• Call for Accountability: Basham urges refusal to allow former leaders to regain trust or platforms absent repentance.
• Notable Quotes:

  “You’re supposed to feel empathetic for the BLM activists… but you’re not supposed to feel empathetic for the police officer who has now had his reputation destroyed over a lie.” — Megan Basham [27:13]
  “If you showed in the day of battle that you were going to bend the knee, then you no longer get to be trusted as a leader. You should no longer get to occupy that leadership role in our movement.” — Megan Basham [36:33]

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5. Live from D.C.: Pentagon Briefing & Capitol Hill AI Legislation

[40:49–45:07]

• Reporter: Jack Posobec, live from the Pentagon
• Updates:
  • Anticipation of Pentagon press briefing; “MAGA” and America First journalists in attendance.
  • Republican division as Sen. Roger Wicker joins Democrats in launching inquiry into Trump’s Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, regarding rules of engagement and drone strikes.
  • Analysis: Posobec and Bannon claim this is about internal power politics and anti-Trump leverage, not principle.
• AI Legislation:
  • Breaking News: House Armed Services Committee Chair Mike Rogers signals that the “moratorium”/amnesty for state AI laws lacks support and likely won’t be in the NDAA.
• Notable Quotes:

  “They have no problem… But if Pete Hegseth, on the orders of Donald Trump, is conducting these types of kinetic strikes... the entire Beltway is totally against that. They want liberal hegemony… they’re using Pete Hegseth to get to Trump.” — Jack Posobec [44:09]
  “This audience… lit it up. Article three, just fantastic. Now it ain’t over till it’s over. As you know, they could put this thing back in tomorrow morning and try to slide it in, but we’ll be on it.” — Steve Bannon [47:12]

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6. Practical Segment: Credit Card Debt Solutions

[48:55–52:53]

• Guest: Jillian Barbary, sharing personal testimony and promotion of ‘Done With Debt’ services to help listeners manage credit card debt.
• Key Points: Urges listeners to consult professionals before considering bankruptcy; describes process of negotiating down debt and interest with creditors.

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7. Ongoing/Upcoming:

• Republican Party infighting vs. MAGA movement, especially in state-level races and processes like redistricting.
• Influence campaigns by Turning Point and youth organizations.
• Continued coverage of AI “amnesty” and tech policy.
• Monitoring Pentagon pressers, activism on Capitol Hill, and the looming Cabinet meeting and national Trump campaign announcements.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Bannon (Opening):

  “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies. Because we’re going medieval on these people.” [02:07]

• Garrett Gallie:

  “If we lose the House next year, Democrats are gonna make it extremely difficult on the Trump administration to do anything… All of this will make Gavin Newsom look like a hero among the Democrat Party because he rewrites history.” [09:26]

• Dave Brat:

  “Empathy is a modern psychological term… You want to know what’s not subjective? God and the good.” [28:50]

• Megan Basham:

  “If they do not recognize their error, then, no, they don’t get to keep their platform and their audience… If you showed in the day of battle that you were going to bend the knee, then you no longer get to be trusted as a leader.” [36:33]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [02:57–07:01] — TN-7 mobilization with Matt Van Epps
• [07:05–15:47] — Indiana redistricting and Turning Point’s rally with Garrett Gallie
• [19:58–22:23] — Youth voter mobilization, “force multipliers” with Dave Brat
• [22:55–36:33] — “Empathy” and the evangelical controversy, Megan Basham & Dave Brat
• [40:49–45:07] — Pentagon briefing, internal GOP fights, AI legislation updates with Jack Posobec
• [48:55–52:53] — Personal finance advice with Jillian Barbary

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Tone & Language

The tone throughout is combative, urgent, and heavily partisan; Bannon and guests routinely employ military and religious metaphors (“force multipliers,” “bulwark,” “pagan world”), and frame contemporary American politics as existential and often zero-sum. Energetic rallying of the base and ‘in-the-trenches’ reporting is coupled with intellectualized arguments about history, faith, values, and the future of American conservatism.

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For Further Information

• Matt Van Epps campaign: matt4tn.com
• Turning Point’s Indiana Rally: tpaction.com/rallyindiana
• Megan Basham: X @MegBasham, Book: Shepherds for Sale

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[Steve Bannon]

It's Tuesday 2nd December in the year of our Lord 2025. Big day. A cabinet meeting at the White House. 11:30 Press briefing at the Pentagon with our team of correspondents there led by Jack Boic. At 11 we'll dip in and out of that. We've got a lot going on, turning points going to join us about what's happening in Indiana on on Friday. But I want to turn first to Matt Van Epps, the combat veteran army combat veteran that is running in Tennessee seven. It's game day. Matt, tell us what we got to do. Deploy your resources here.

[Matt Van Epps]

Sir, yes sir. Steve, thank you so much sir for having me. On election day Here in Tennessee 7th congressional district I need everybody to get out and vote. We are up, we had a great early voting result but we're not up by a lot and we need to win this. And that happens when everybody gets out and votes today, every Republican, every freedom loving American in the Tennessee 7th congressional district. Polls are open now, they close at 7pm if you're in line by 7pm you can vote. They've got to let you vote. And just asking everyone to get out. We need you today. This is too important of an election. We were, I was on with President Trump last night on a telerally with tens of thousands of callers and he was underscoring how important this election is for the direction that we want to move the country. So I need everybody today and I'm so, so grateful to be on with you today.

[Steve Bannon]

In fact, it was important enough the speaker of the House spent yesterday with you going around rally after rally, correct?

[Matt Van Epps]

Yes sir. Speaker Johnson was with me all day yesterday. We went to at least 10 events. We did rally in the morning, a rally in the evening. He was on the tele rally as well. And it's just the outpouring of support and the momentum is real. We are up but we're going to stay up when people get up and go and vote and listen, it's a little cold out today here, but it's not raining. You just got to bundle up, be safe, make a plan, make a plan to go at lunchtime or after work. I just, I Need your vote. Your vote might be the one that decides this election and it decides the direction we're going to move this country. And that's an America first direction.

[Steve Bannon]

Matt, where do people go if they want more information? Do you have your campaign website they can go to get more information about polling time, all of that.

[Matt Van Epps]

My website is matt4tn.com that's Matt M A T T F O R T N.com matt4tn.com it has all the information that you'd need. Your polling location, links to the Tennessee Secretary of State website with election information, more information about our campaign. Please go to matt4tn.com if you need information and I just ask for your vote and your support today. It's what's going to matter to get this thing done.

[Steve Bannon]

Matt, what's your social media? You have a lot of fans here in the war on Posse that want to help, but they want to follow you throughout the day where they go.

[Matt Van Epps]

Absolutely. Our Facebook and X Twitter is Matt for tn. We've got a whole lot of information that we're pushing out there too. Our Instagram is Matt for Tennessee. So Matt for TN on Facebook and X and Matt for Tennessee on Instagram. We're pushing a whole lot of content and videos. Would ask everybody to please share those. Like those retweet them, just get, get them out as much as possible. That the momentum that we've built from the primary through yesterday to today is real. And that's because of your followers and listeners and people across this district who love Tennessee, who love America, who love freedom and just need them today.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, folks, you got your marching orders. Be a force multiplier today for Matt Van Epson, Tennessee 7. It's a must win. Matt, with your shield or on your shield. We'll talk to you in the afternoon show.

[Matt Van Epps]

Sir, yes, sir. Thank you so much. Have a wonderful day.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you, brother. Matt Van Epps, combat veteran of multiple tours, a great guy. It's a must win. So let's be forced multipliers today with the content and anybody in Tennessee 7 if you need assistance, you know, go to the site. Make sure you get out there and take everybody on your list with you. Let's pivot now to Indiana. We've got Garrett Galile from the National Enterprise Director for Turning Point Action. Garrett, talk to me for a second about Indiana. What's happening on Friday? Why, why is Turning Point now decided to have a show of force out there on this redistricting effort, sir.

[Garrett Gallie]

Hey, Steve, good to be on here again. Yeah, so right now, Indiana is really at the epicenter. I said last week that they're the last line of defense in putting Republicans in the best possible position to win back the House of Representatives, to retain the House of Representatives next year. And so right Now, Indiana has a 7:2 Republican majority on the congressional map. We have an opportunity now with the new map. The proposed map is out, and it carves out what we believe is a fair representation of Indiana that is now nine. Oh, on the congressional front, there's the map right there. Knowing how conservative leaning the Indianapolis suburbs are, we believe this is the best possible map. So on Monday, the State Senate is going to be voting on this. The State Senate is overwhelmingly controlled by Republicans, yet there are still Republicans who are in, in some cases, Trump, plus 20 districts who do not want to vote in favor of this map for a whole plethora of reasons.

[Steve Bannon]

Some of those actually are kind of personal. I mean, how is Turning Point? You're going to have the rally when we get into that. But you guys, you know, Charlie Kirk built a massive operation, but part of it is you were very savvy about what to focus on. What do you think the issues are in Indiana? I can't understand why we don't go nine zero. When you see what the Democrats are doing around the nation on these gerrymandered, like in New England, 25, nothing California illegally, but it's gonna be 48 to 4. What do you say to people in Indiana? What does Turning Point say to say, hey, you gotta get focused on this. This is a national issue.

[Garrett Gallie]

Yeah. I mean, the bottom line is, if we lose the House next year, Democrats are gonna make it extremely difficult on the Trump administration to do anything. They're gonna put up massive roadblocks. They're gonna force out a lot of, you know, things that will make us go majorly backwards. They'll oppose everything. A decontrolled House could easily vote to impeach Trump and tie him up in impeachment proceedings. Oh, and by the way, because this doesn't go our way in Indiana, let's just say that that happens. All of this will make Gavin Newsom look like a hero among the Democrat Party because he rewrites history. Then at that point, with the California redistricting plan that had a chain effect then on even hard red states, giving power back to the Dems and laying the groundwork for, and here's a scary thought, for him to potentially become president in 2028. So that's the messaging that we're putting on the table in Indiana that this is very much a local issue that has now turned into a national issue with huge implications that could make or break our ability to compete in 2028. And for these Republicans that are opposing this, it's for petty reasons, it's for tyranny reasons, and it's for self righteousness reasons. I mean, one Republican said to one of our activists yesterday on the phone that Republicans should win on policy when literally next door in Illinois, the left has taken advantage of Democrat controlled everything to manipulate the maps. Leftist states go hard in the paint on this stuff. Conservative states should do the same thing. In Indiana is about as conservative as any other hard red state that exists out there, like Wyoming or Alabama outside of 2008. I mean, you're talking about a hard conservative state. There is no reason a 9o map should not pass.

[Steve Bannon]

No, the Hoosiers are. The Hoosiers are mega. Talk to me about Friday. What do you intend to do? What time is it going to be? Where is it going to be? How do people get tickets? Walk me through. Why a rally? Why? Turning points known for turning out the troops. Why did you decide to do it on Friday at the state Capitol?

[Garrett Gallie]

Well, so Friday is the last day that the House is able to take this up. We believe that it'll be settled by then. But then the following Monday is going to be the first day that the state Senate will then have this on the floor and vote on it. So we want to send a message to them. We want this to be the kind of final crescendo here where we send that punch to the state senators who might be on the fence about this to say, hey, the grassroots, the people who have worked really hard to elect you and the Republican base that you crawled out of the woodwork to vote for you, they don't want this. They want you to support the president. And so we're going to rally everyone together at the State Capitol. We're hoping we can get hundreds of patriots out there. There we actually just confirmed yesterday. So this is a little bit of breaking news that we're going to have Governor Mike Braun there and Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith. So that'll be huge to have them lock arms and be part of this. And really what we're hoping this creates is kind of that flare signal to the rest of the conservative movement that we don't want to just lay down and die in. Here in Indiana, you're starting to see the Mike Pence people and the hardcore radical leftists kind of lock arms together. On Twitter, and they're starting to go after some really good conservative activists, including myself. I even had one online account comment my home address on my tweet. So we, as mega conservatives, are definitely over the target here. They're definitely upset that we're having the event there, and that's a good thing. That means that we could potentially be in the right spot at the right time to make this happen.

[Steve Bannon]

You actually got. You got doxxed. So they're going to send SWAT teams out to you. Is that what they intend to do?

[Garrett Gallie]

Yeah, Yeah. I had to call my wife back at home and be like, hey, this might be happening, but yeah, I mean, this is crazy. It was within 24 hours of me appearing on your show last weekend that the Pence Republicans and the hardcore leftists kind of came together. It was the Uni Party at its finest. And that told me that I'm over the target. When you're over the target, you become the target.

[Steve Bannon]

This is something we fought with Alex Degrasse and the team in 2001 to pick up, I think eight seats. Is this something that young people are understanding that this is all a preamble? This is all part of the process. This is a preamble to the midterms. And this redistricting fights are going to be going on for a while, but you have to win them. It's like getting into the college football playoffs. There's certain games you have to win. Are young people becoming aware of that, Garrett?

[Garrett Gallie]

Yeah, yeah, they're understanding the long term effects here. It's chess, not checkers. And for a generation that really embraces the idea of authenticity, they're seeing right through the reason, the rationale behind some of these senators not supporting the president. I mean, we only briefly touched on this over the weekend, but one senator, Mike Boichek, said he's voting no to President Trump's redistricting plan because he doesn't particularly like the names that President Trump was calling Tim Waltz during the election. I mean, petty stuff like this. And we're even hearing that party leaders high up. Republican Party leaders in the Indiana GOP are refusing to speak out on this because new district lines could mean that they won't be able to sit on the state Central Committee anymore for the gop. That's how absurd this has gotten. And young people are seeing right through it. So we're hoping to have a huge wave of young people show up to this. We have some fantastic turning point chapter leaders in Indiana that are being vocal about this, that are spreading the message, evangelizing other young people to understand the importance of what's at stake here.

[Steve Bannon]

Garrett, one more time, where do people go to participate on Friday and where they go to get more information about Turning Point and what you guys are working on over there?

[Garrett Gallie]

Yes, we would love to have every freedom fighting patriot in Indiana and everywhere within an earshot of Indiana. I'm in Cincinnati right now. It's only about a two hour drive. So if you're in even in western Ohio and you feel called to participate in this, please do. It's tpaction.com radio rally Indiana. Our event, our rally, our all in for Indiana event is Friday, December 5th at noon in the capital Rotunda. It's inside. You won't have to worry about freezing to death. We're going to have Governor Mike Braun there. We're going to have Lieutenant Governor Micah Beckwith. We're going to have some awesome other speakers as well. Some really young, bright elected officials in Indiana that are fighting on the front lines and we want you there too. TPaction.com rally in Indiana.

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Garrett, what is your, what's your personal social media coordinates?

[Garrett Gallie]

Yes. Follow me on Twitter bgals wi I call Wisconsin home.

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Thank you brother. Appreciate you.

[Garrett Gallie]

Thanks.

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Great team. Charlie Kirk, incredible, incredible team over at Turning Point and Andrew and the, and the guys doing a great job.

[Matt Van Epps]

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[Steve Bannon]

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Dave Brandt, Tennessee, seven. And everybody, if Grace and Mo would be and Elizabeth, be kind enough to put out in all the different platforms. I think we're at like on 10Now. Different chats, etc. Make sure force multiplier. First off for Van Epps, also, if you're in the district, you know, if you need help getting to the poll, go to his website, get somebody, get your list. Let's get out. This is big today. We won this one by 22. And let's say we're not up by 22 right now for a host of reasons. We can debate that afterwards. Today it's all about victory. And then of course, the Republican establishment. He just had Garrett lay it out right as these young people starting to see the way the world works, right? The Republican establishment coming against MAGA and coming against Trump in Indiana and they're going to go hold one of these classic turning point rallies. Brad, your thoughts on both of those?

[Dave Brat]

Yeah, Well, I think it's important what you just said. The numbers gap, right? It's not just politics. It's a confidence thing. If the Republicans all get out and the Christians and the church all get out, we win these races by large margins. And that sends very good news and good messaging across the country that this is what is possible for conservatives if you want to see what's at stake. Right. Voting is a privilege. It's a right. It's a duty. God. God wants us to participate in the civil realm to ensure justice. Go out to Fox News right now. You got a choice between God, no God at the University of Oklahoma, not that far away. Kind of down in the God belt where students given an F, a 0 out of 25 for mentioning God in an essay with no guardrails attached, you know, no, no requirements of the essay. The gal just writes a nice essay.

[Steve Bannon]

Kind of in the God belt. Oklahoma is the God belt. What do you think happened at the University of Oklahoma? This is not Brown. This is not Brown University or one of the more radical of the. I was not Berkeley. That's outrageous. Talking to me about Indiana, how important I think young people are awakening to the fact that politics is tough. It's a dirty game. It's a hard game. This audience knows it because you put your. People would rather spend their time on other stuff. I understand. We'd rather spend our time on other stuff. But you got to get down the trenches. This is the way you win. This is the way you get guys like Trump into office. Why is redistricting so big and why is it important, the turning point, really, the apparatus of the youth vote in our country. Why is it important that they're engaged as anybody?

[Dave Brat]

Well, just empirically, you know, Turning Point was responsible for the young folks showing out and for the Trump victory. And so again, the turning point, the young people right now, right, the young men and women, the 20 year olds, 25 year olds, they're kind of the prophetic voice out there right now, right? They're, they're, you know, you got Megan bashing coming up. She's similar. They're calling, calling it like they see it. They, they know what this Biden inflation did to them. They know about getting a house at the age of 40 years old. They know the debt they've been dealt. And so they're, they're playing their part, they're. They're playing a key role.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Megan Basham]

Learn.

[Steve Bannon]

We don't talk about price here. We talk about process. Learn the process. Speaking of process, I'm so proud when we have people on here. And then the cutting edge of the mainstream media like Axios picks it up. Megan Basham. So, Megan, you came on a couple weeks ago and you talked about this, what's happening within the evangelical Christian movement. And lo and behold, Axios picks it up. They got really good writers over there, particularly following religion. Maybe not that they're particularly religious, but they follow it very closely. They basically say, and if we can get the article up, empathy is the new battleground for Christianity in particular on the political side. Ma', am.

[Megan Basham]

Ask in the glow for a minute of Dave Bratt putting me with the young people as a mom of a teenager.

[Jillian Barbary]

Really love that.

[Megan Basham]

I'm so glad I came today.

[Steve Bannon]

I noticed that. I noticed that, Brad.

[Megan Basham]

But, but yes. So, you know, we talked about it because this has really been the steering mechanism to try to move evangelicals toward the left. We talked about last time that they are kind of the most important voting bloc to Republicans. The GOP doesn't win without them. So you've seen Democrats for a long time trying to find a way into the evangelical landscape. And empathy has been a key way that they've done that. And you know, the difference between empathy and compassion is really important because empathy demands that we don't ask questions, that we don't look at issues of justice in these truth claims, that we don't even look at the truth of these truth claims. And you can look at how the BLM movement, for example, said you're not allowed to ask questions. You're just supposed to sit and let us express ourselves and feel our pain. So you weren't allowed to ask questions like, okay, well, did George Floyd actually die because someone choked him or did he die of an overdose. So those questions aren't allowed. That's the empathy steering mechanism. It's a. It's a steering wheel on your back, as my friend, the writer Joe Rigney has said. So now we are starting to see the right and Christian conservatives catching onto this. And so you have seen books like the Sin of Empathy or Ali Beth Stuckey's Toxic Empathy, saying, no, this is actually sinful, because what it's asking you to do is to identify with false or immoral feelings, like, say, the transgender movement. So that's what it's asking you to do. And, you know, just in this last week, we saw an appalling example of this. So we talked also last time about the national association of Evangelicals. It's an associate. It's the largest association of evangelical churches in the world. Their immigration arm is World Relief. They have taken something like $330 million from the federal government since 2021 to resettle, quote, unquote, refugees. In 2021, they took 56 million to resettle refugees, including those from Afghanistan, including the shooter of those two National Guards people. So the day before the that shooting, President Trump announced that there would be additional vetting. So he announced a while ago there would be additional vetting of the Afghani refugees. The day before that, World Relief issued a statement condemning that decision. And in fact, their vp, Matthew Sorence, who is heavily active in evangelical churches, you will see him often on the weekends giving presentations. They send materials out to churches saying, you must welcome the stranger. He called it a needless re. Traumatizing of the Afghani refugees. The very next day, the Afghan terrorist killed two National Guardsmen. So that's how this empathy debate is working within the church.

[Steve Bannon]

So they've pulled some verticals, the whole gay rights thing, lgbtq, they've got climate change, BLM in immigration. Is this. Are they saying that. That Christians are not empathetic enough, have to be more empathetic in getting people to be more empathetic, not compassionate, to drive them, as you said before, to kind of this woke or progressive evangelical Christianity.

[Megan Basham]

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. And keep in mind, though, that they set the terms for who you're supposed to feel empathetic toward. So you're supposed to feel empathetic toward the. The man who claims he's a woman who wants access to women's private spaces. But you are not supposed to feel empathetic to the women who feel threatened by this. You're supposed to feel empathetic for the BLM activists who are insisting that hands up, don't shoot happened. But you're not supposed to feel empathetic for the police officer who has now had his reputation destroyed over a lie. And you see this again and again. You're supposed to feel empathetic for the illegal immigrants who have come here, who are bringing trafficking issues, who are bringing crime and drug issues. But you're not supposed to feel empathetic for the communities that are being impacted by this or for the guardsmen who have been killed because we did not sufficiently vet these immigrants as they were coming here. So they're really directing you to say, here's how. Who you are supposed to feel empathetic for. And you're not supposed to ask simple questions of justice or truth when you do it. And you know, it's so Marxian, because that was Marx, right? He supposedly felt this empathy for all of mankind, but he didn't even take care of his own family.

[Steve Bannon]

Dave brat, your thoughts?

[Dave Brat]

Well, my thoughts are. Meghan just hit it out of the park. That was brilliant as usual. I'll just add a couple footnotes. The left brings these conversations up only to damage evangelical Protestant Christian thought. Right? That's when it comes up.

[Matt Van Epps]

Up.

[Dave Brat]

So when. When these articles are written and they say empathy is a central teaching in the Bible. Well, actually it's. It's not a central teaching in the Bible. And the term values is not even used in the Bible. Virtues is used sometimes, and I'll get at that in a second. But the key terms in the Christian teachings in Jesus are, first of all, the kingdom of God, repent. You'll never hear morning Mika and Joe giving sermons on repentance for the kingdom of God is at hand. The second major concept of Jesus is called the Gospel, and the third is obedience to God, the Father Almighty. Right. And so what Megan is getting at, and this is one of my favorite books after the Bible is closing the American Mind by Alan Bloom. And values along with empathy. Empathy is a modern psychological term. Values similarly are subjective. You want to know what's not subjective? God and the good. Here's old Plato over here in my picture pointing up the argument of the Greeks. And reason was the good is objective. The goal of modern liberalism and the leftists is to get everything to be subjective because then it leads to openness. And what does openness lead to? The Open Society foundation and George Soros. So Megan teed it all up. It's all connected.

[Steve Bannon]

And there's the line of thought, the road to predition. Hang over a second Megan Basham, the young Megan Basham is going to stick with us and Dave, Brett, we're going to take a short commercial break. Also the hearing. We're getting up the hearing on the child protection over at Energy and Commerce. Joe Allen is there and the activists will get it all up with posic from the Pentagon.

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[Jack Posobec]

Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, we're force multipliers today in Tennessee. You're signing up and pushing out the Turning Point rally in Indianapolis on redistricting on Friday. Jack Bobichon joins at the Pentagon. Grace and Mo have up right now, I think, on our other getter channel. Just go to Grace. She's putting it out to the, to the posse. We're going to have a side channel follow the hearing and we'll dip in and out of that. The hearing about child protection that's going to become big part of this Internet amnesty bill. They're trying to get through that. We're stopping. So anyway, that's there. The activist Joe Allen is there. Jack, the Soviets at the Pentagon. Going to be a brief there. Cabinet meeting, 11:30. You're going to see it all. We're going to juggle it all. We're going to get it done. Megan, you had a concept that the Warren posse loved last time. You called the evangelical, the hardcore conservative evangelical community the lone bulwark oftentimes on a lot of these issues, they've stood in the breach over and over and over again. And obviously the progressive left is targeted that group to try to, you know, chip away at it, but also to drive wedges in the middle and have a big breakup. You can tell this by the intensity they're doing it. How can we respond then to this empathy? This whole issue of they're using empathy as the new battleground for Christians. Ma'.

[Dave Brat]

Am.

[Megan Basham]

Well, you know, the first one, and this is not just to plug my book, but I do go into this in Shepherds for Sale, how evangelical leaders treated the truth for a leftist agenda. And that was a very key piece of it, this empathy debate. Because when my book came out, the two subjects I was probably most attacked on were, one, how could I go after World Relief and these immigration NGOs that were supposedly doing all this Christian work all over the world? How could I expose those people? That was so unchristian. And then the other one was the Title 9 abuse issue. They were attacking me for saying, well, wait a minute, we need to investigate the truth claims of these women, adult women who are claiming that they were abused when they had relationships with adult men who were supposedly in some sort of power over them. So, you know, the first thing I had to do through that was simply say, I'm not moving. These are the facts. I'm laying them out. And when the mob comes, and sometimes it will, you simply cannot move. But what you can take comfort in is knowing that eventually the truth is going to come out and a whole lot of people are suddenly going to pretend like they were on your side all along. Because that's exactly what I've experienced in the evangelical world. Now, in terms of being the lone bulwark, something that's really important to know is that the evangelical rank and file are much, much more conservative than their leadership class. And that's consistent whether it's the Southern Baptist Convention, the Presbyterian Church in America, the Anglicans, you just see it again and again. The leadership class, much more liberal. And that's because they're being inculcated in these things, like the empathetic discussion in their seminaries. So they're bringing this into their churches and it has had some effect, but, you know, it takes time to trickle down into the pews. And so, you know, the second thing I want to say is what we're seeing right now is what I'm terming the great rehab tour. So all of these evangelical luminaries who head seminaries or who are, you know, internationally known pastors, big best selling authors, they're now trying to pretend that they were never over there promoting Black Lives Matter or they were never over there promoting MeToo movement and things like that, the immigration movement. What I want is that unless there is repentance, we can't Let this great rehab tour happen, because they will do it again. There needs to be accountability. And so while I'm not here trying to be a Lady Defarge, trying to insist that everybody's head has to come off, I'm not saying that. I am saying if they do not recognize their error, then, no, they don't get to keep their platform and their audience. You should still continue not giving money and attention to those people. So, you know, that's a big component for me, is that if you showed in the day of battle that you were going to bend the knee, then you no longer get to be trusted as a leader. You should no longer get to occupy that leadership role in our movement. So now that things have started to shift, right, and the Overton has moved, they're all kind of scrambling to get at the front of the line again. And I don't want to allow that. You know, there's a few who have openly said, I erred. I was wrong. I got caught up in a moment. I'm a little more charitable with those guys. But if they're just simply trying to reposition, without any acknowledgement of how they participated in this Black Lives Matter madness, in this insistence that to love our neighbor or to welcome the stranger meant that we had to accept our own destruction, then, no, I am not willing to continue to let you be the voice and the face of evangelical ideas.

[Steve Bannon]

Wow. And what a great literary reference. Lady Defarge, one of the great characters in all literature from Tale of Two Cities. And if you've ever seen the 1939 film, you will know exactly what Megan is talking about. Megan, where do people go to get your book, where they get your writings, and where they keep up with you on social media.

[Megan Basham]

Media.

[Jillian Barbary]

Yep.

[Megan Basham]

Shepherds for Sale is a bit where I expose many of these things. And it's important to know about World Relief because I would say they are integrally responsible for what happened to those National Guardsmen. So you can find that anywhere books are sold. Amazon, Target, Walmart. You can find me on X at Meg Basham. And you can find me on Instagram, where I don't hang out quite as much at journalist Megan Basham.

[Steve Bannon]

Megan, thank you so much for joining us today. Appreciate you. Thanks for having me and for driving the conversation. Brad, before we go to Posto at the Pentagon and I'm going to dip into this hearing on Capitol Hill. Megan's solution here. Your thoughts?

[Dave Brat]

Well, I think she's spot on. And if you'll notice, she's following one of the Core tenets of Jesus that I mentioned, which is repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. You don't get it every which way, right? Nietzsche came up with a concept of values. And the modern conception is your values. My values. Let's just agree to disagree. Well, the great Catholic tradition, St. Augustine, Aquinas, Calvin, Luther, the Protestant Reformation, they had systems of thought that had to be internally consistent. We're missing those these days. Just war theory. All these concepts were objective truths proven by reason and in accord with the revelation in the Bible. Those two things are great guardrails for Western civilization. They have to all fit together. Unfortunately, today when these teachers in the schools. And one thing, Megan, you know, she, she basically mentioned the seminaries, but K to 12 education, they're indoctrinated by these dangerous helpers called school counselors who all teach values. Values clarification. You're okay, I'm okay. We're not all okay, right? And so the central doctrines of Christianity are embedded in the kingdom of God. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand. And keep your ears open for that. And also when it comes to values and virtues, Jesus also said the first command is love God first. So whenever you get to this empathy and everything about these modern values and virtues toward your neighbor, it doesn't work if God the Father's not involved in that conversation, if it's not God guiding those values and virtues. God ensures, along with human reason that things are systematic. Our founders all knew that James Madison who went to Princeton, wrote the Constitution.

[Steve Bannon]

No finances, when it was a religious school. Hang on one second. We have breaking news. That's a blockbuster. This is from Meredith Lee Hill it or from Meredith Lee at the Hill. I think it is a new. This is House Armed Services Committee chair Mike Rogers. One of the cardinals tells Politico he's planning to release the NDAA text this Thursday. Rogers said the moratorium on state artificial intelligence laws that GOP leaders are pushing, quote, lost its momentum, doesn't have enough support, end quote. He doesn't believe it will be included at this point before a vote next week. Quote, I think that's gone unquote blockbuster. This is the number one thing the tech bros are trying to push and it looks like right now from one of the most senior guys on Capitol Hill and the the guy really in charge of the NDA, Mike Rogers. It's done now. That doesn't mean it's done. As you know in this game, it's only means we're going to go the next round. But right now their efforts to try to slide it into the big beautiful Bill we killed their efforts to try to slide it into ndaa. It looks like right now for Mike Rogers that it may be stopped. It's not that we're going to not go to the ramparts in this thing. We have to kill it. Mike Davis will join me hopefully this afternoon to talk about this some more. Let's go to the Pentagon. Do I have Jack Bosobic, Jack Posobec at the Pentagon. Can you hear me sir?

[Jack Posobec]

Steve, I read you loud and clear from inside the five sided puzzle palace.

[Steve Bannon]

Well, tell me about today. You're going to finally get, we're going to get a briefing at 11 o'. Clock. There's you know this, this issue with recalling Kelly to for court martial. They're trying to go after our own Pete Hexith on a, on a, a rule of, on the rules of war about giving quarter. They're really gearing up on this Morning. Joe's lighted up about this. We still have a carrier battle group and an amphibious ready group off the coast of Venezuela. Everybody's kind of on tenor hooks. Are we going to go to war this afternoon or what? Jack Bosovic.

[Jack Posobec]

Well, Steve, those are the very questions that we're going to be asking about. Soon as the briefing begins here, Kingsley Wilson is going to be coming out, the Pentagon press secretary and many of those questions I've been talking to the, the group here and I think you'll see a lot of war room, a lot alumni and a lot of war room regulars. We get the great Brianna Morello is here, Laura Loomer is here, Matt Gates is here, Sony, Savannah Hernandez, Monica Page. So it's really a murderer's row of folks who by the way, and people are saying oh, this new Pentagon press corps, they're, you know, they're lap dogs, they're sycophants. Through all the rest, I said hold on a second. These are not exactly people who are fans of the military industrial complex. They're fans of, of MAGA world peace. And there's a lot of people who have very serious questions, even libertarians here from Zero Hedge. We've got Liam Cosgrove over here from Zero Hedge who are going to be asking serious questions about what exactly is going on in Venezuela. There's certainly going to be questions about the drone strikes. Admiral Bradley who by the way, you know, I, I was familiar with Admiral Bradley during his tenure down at, in the Navy down at Devgru. You know, these Strikes. This was sop. I think that narrative got blown up for faster than a narco boat, but even by the New York Times itself. But again, you still see Senator Wicker is launching this investigation into Pete Hegseth. At the same time Mark Kelly is coming around sewing dissension in the ranks.

[Steve Bannon]

Hang on, don't bury the lead. Wicker is like whickers, the Senate equivalent almost of Mike Rogers right in the House Armed Services. You have a Republic Republican that is agreeing with the Democrats and the most radical Democrats to actually start a formal inquiry into the rules of engagement about this, about this boat and particularly the second shot, sir.

[Jack Posobec]

Steve, that's exactly right. And I'll tell you something, if Charlie Kirk were here right now, he would be lighting up the senators on that committee right now. Mark Wayne Mullen, Eric Schmidt, there's so many good senators on there to say, guys, what is going on? Why is a Republican committee putting President Trump's Secretary of War under investigation for doing his job? And by the way, following the sop of drone strikes that has been going on for over a decade, why are Republicans in the Senate undercutting President Trump's own Cabinet secretary?

[Steve Bannon]

So let me ask Jack Posobec. Why is it happening? Why is it happening? Sir, I've got my theory, but I want to hear yours. You're over in the Pentagon today. Today. It's outrageous. But why? What do you think it's happening here? This is. Folks, this is not a small. Steve, because they're using this. They're using this to go after President Trump. And this is. Republicans are teaming up with Democrats.

[Jack Posobec]

Steve, it's all about getting leverage. Who controls the Pentagon, who controls the military, who controls the deep state? They'd have no problem. These are drone strikes in Somalia, drone strikes in Yemen, drone strikes after Afghanistan. They would have no problem whatsoever. But if Pete Hegseth, on the orders of Donald Trump, is conducting these types of kinetic strikes here in the Western hemisphere, is conducting hemispheric defense, the entire Beltway is totally against that. They want liberal hegemony. That's what this fight is about. And they're using Pete Hegseth to get to Trump.

[Steve Bannon]

So, Jack, we're going to go live when you guys start at 10 o'. Clock. And what we'd love to do is if we got time, is pull you out before the Cabinet meeting starts. Academy is supposed to be 11:30, but as you know, these Cabinet meetings have a history of starting a little late. So we'd love to get you right after the right after the press briefing, if we can.

[Jack Posobec]

We will. And and Steve will be up here live as well for human events daily 2 to 3 today, we're going to be doing it live right here from the Pentagon.

[Steve Bannon]

Fantastic. Look forward to watching our own Jack. We got a whole team there. Of course. You got the great Matt Gaetz, you got Laura Loomer there. I mean, it's MAGA and it's America first at the Pentagon. Is that a great day? Just amazing. Big news, too. Michael Dell, I think, has committed $6 billion to the Trump accounts for babies. This new thing is going to be announced at the Cabinet and then a special announcement at 2pm today, which we will cover in real emergency voice.

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[Megan Basham]

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[Steve Bannon]

Okay, this is kind of a march up session at the committee. It's very important. I'd love to dip into this. We'll play a highlight reel, but if you have an interest in this, Grace and Mo have got it up on one of our other alternative channels and we're going to try to get into this between the Pentagon and the Cabinet. Very important. What's happening? And let me repeat, folks, you have a massive voice. And that's why. Why did we hire Joe Allen 4 years ago? To make sure that you had the intellectual substrate underneath you of years of people talking about the very smart guy writing about this and talking about it, writing a book and bringing all these guests in. Because I think you may have changed history here because the Tech Bros. Wanted this in this moratorium, as we call it, AI Amnesty more than life itself. It was insane what they were doing. And it's right there. Mike Rogers, and they don't come any heavier than Mike Rogers over one of the Cardinals over in the house just said, hey, I think the momentum on the. The reason momentum died is that the Warren posse got involved. You lit it up. Article three, Just fantastic. Now it ain't over till it's over. As you know, they could put this thing back in tomorrow morning and try to slide it in, but we'll be on it. Done with debt. Ma', am, did you have a good Thanksgiving? We missed you right on the show right beforehand. Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

[Jillian Barbary]

Wonderful. Spent it with my dear friend Heather Locklear and her fabulous family. And her dad was missing this year. He is a Marine, so. Semper fi, Bill Lockwood. We Lock Lear. We love you. We call him Lockwood in a private joke. But rest in peace, my friend. We had a lovely one. I hope you did, too, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

We did. Jay and Jane, I wanted you on here to kick off the week because this is the time when people say, hey, you know, I got to get gifts. I got to get. I need that credit card. If you've gotten letters, if they're trying to cut you off, if it's. If they have cut you off, the letter saying there, it's just not going to go away. Done with debt are the guys you need to intercede for. You walk us through how that can happen. How can the audience engage with Done with debt and get them on their side?

[Jillian Barbary]

Thank you, Steve. This is the most important time of year. As you know, a lot of people go through debt throughout the year, Right. Living paycheck to paycheck, not saving up. You know, a lot of people like to buy gifts throughout the year. I've always thought, how do you do that? But it's actually a brilliant idea. I could never do that. So what done with that will do. And if you're in this position right now and you're thinking, how can I save a little money for my kids? How do I put a little aside for an emergency? In my case, I had a Lot of things I had, you know, death and taxes at my door and cancer and all of that. And that happens to a lot of people, believe it or not. But this time of year is also sort of DEFCON 5. We are running around trying to figure out how am I going to pay the mortgage or the rent, how am I going to pay the kids school and also Christmas gifts or Hanukkah, whatever it is that you celebrate. So what done with debt will do for you and they will do it immediately, overnight. And if you are in this position, I suggest you go to done with debt.com if you're in the position of nasty phone calls at dinner, non stop mail, oh they can send mail letter after letter. Go to donewithdat.com right now. Free consultation. They'll shut them up right in their place. All the nasty letters stop overnight, the phone calls as well. And what they do, they don't want to put you into bankruptcy. They don't want to put you into one big umbrella debt, right, Consolidated debt. They're going to try to get you out of this in a way that you could actually end up with money in your pocket. And some people do, but you have to talk to them first. They are a team of master negotiators. Steve. I've worked with them now for three years. They are nothing but the best of the best. They know all the institutions to talk to. They know the pennies on the dollar, who will write off what, who will, you know, go for pennies on the dollar and what, what, what, what ideas they have, they'll bring to them. They know exactly what these people are offering, but they can negotiate with them.

[Steve Bannon]

And they deal with these guys every day, every day. They solve, you know, bands every day. So here's what they can do and they're not promising this, but here's what they can do when you get involved and tell them, tell them your, the specifics of your case they can help go get because many times the credit card company's written it off. So if they get anything, it's cash. So they, as we say, pennies on the dollar or some discount to the face amount of what you owe. That's a possibility. Number two, they can cap immediately the interest payments that keep in the penalties that keep adding up. So this is why it's so important to engage these people and talk to them. Don't take it from us, you got to talk to them. But the two things they can do right off the bat is that they can, they can get a discount to the face amount that you own. And they can cap, they can cap the fees and penalties if you get them engaged. And remember this whole thing where I just declare bankruptcy, just declaring bankruptcy is not the, you know, it sticks for you a long time. You have a tough time getting, being able to rent a house, get a car, all that. Just don't think, it just goes away. So when people tell you just declare bankruptcy, that's why you got to talk to professionals and that's why you go to Diet. It saved, it saved Jillian and it could potentially save you, but it won't start until you get in touch with them. If you just sit there and worry about it and worry about it. So don't ruin the holidays. Get, get engaged with them today.

[Jillian Barbary]

Exactly. And the number one thing you can do right now is not pay another bill before you get in touch with done with debt. Go to donewithdb.com and get on a track that will get you to your financial freedom. Once again, thank you so much, Steve. I love being here. Happy Monday to Happy Tuesday to you, Jillian.

[Steve Bannon]

Thank you. Glad you had a great Thanksgiving. Glad you did it with Heather and because I know she was so close to her father who was a Marine and hope you have a great holiday season. Look forward to seeing you in a week or two.

[Jillian Barbary]

Thank you, sir. See you soon.

[Steve Bannon]

Jillian Barbary. Dave Bratt's gonna stick with me, at least for a while. I think he's here till 11:30. We got a lot to go through. Number one, huge, huge, huge win tentatively for the war impossible. Mike Rogers, one of the most powerful people in, on the Hill in the House House Armed Services Committee chair, what we call the Cardinals. He has just said that he doesn't believe that the moratorium or what we call AI amnesty is going to be in this in the ndaa. He's going to put forward language on Thursday just as he does. It's lost momentum. Why did it lose momentum? Boom, boom. This audience and many more that have worked on a lot of grassroots groups have worked on this. They're not comfortable where the oligarchs or the technocrats or the tech bros want to take us. Very serious discussions about artificial intelligence. This is why for four years we've had Joe, Joe Allen, who happens to be in the hearing right now, taking notes and doing reporting. He's going to be with us this afternoon anyway. We got the Pentagon, we're going to go to. We got the Cabinet, we're going to go to. We got Dave Bratt. We've got a whole array of folks here to give you the signal, not the noise. In the morning edition of the War.

[Dave Brat]

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