THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON (EP. 5142)

Summary

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Real America’s Voice: The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon

Episode 5142 | February 13, 2026

Overview

In this episode of The War Room, host Steve Bannon leads an impassioned discussion on the growing influence of Sharia law within Texas and America at large, focusing on the grassroots political mobilization against it. Featuring guests Wade Miller (America Renewing), Luke Macias (Texas political strategist and show host), Debbie Georgatos (Texas RNC national committee woman and media host), and Jenny Story (Patriot Mobile), the conversation pivots around Proposition 10—an anti-Sharia ballot initiative—, the dynamics within the Texas Republican Party, and the threats perceived from increasing non-assimilated Muslim populations. The episode’s prevailing concern: Will grassroots energy in Texas define the nation’s response to the “Islamic threat” and reshape Republican politics?

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Framing of Sharia Law as a Central Political Issue

[01:13 – 03:51]

• The episode opens with urgent, alarmist rhetoric warning listeners about an ongoing “Islamic Jihad” within Texas, with activists and Bannon painting the situation as one where Sharia law is on the ballot and a direct threat to American—and specifically Texan—values.
• Bannon and his guests repeatedly assert that the U.S. Constitution and Sharia law are “fundamentally at odds.”
  • Quote: “The United States Constitution and Sharia are fundamentally at odds with one another.” — Steve Bannon [01:53]
  • Quote: “We purge any attempt to impose Sharia law in Texas.” — Luke Macias [01:38]

2. Grassroots Mobilization & Proposition 10

[03:51 – 07:03, 12:03 – 14:34, 41:30 – 46:41]

• Wade Miller highlights the key role grassroots activism plays in driving the anti-Sharia effort in Texas, noting it as a response to both establishment Republicans’ inaction and recent political events in Europe.
• Proposition 10 is discussed as the “primal scream” of the Texas conservative base, designed to show overwhelming opposition to Sharia law and pressure elected officials at all levels.
  • Quote: “Proposition 10…is a primal scream of the people to our elected officials: ‘Do something.’” — Debbie Georgatos [45:39]
  • Miller argues what’s happening in Texas could provide a blueprint for the rest of America to “methodically” push back against radical Islam while navigating First Amendment protections.
    • Quote: “We have a right to protect our culture statutorily, legally, etc. … you can be Muslim. You cannot change our laws, you cannot change our culture, you cannot change our way of life.” — Wade Miller [12:25]

3. The European Precedent & Population Demographics

[07:03 – 09:38]

• Miller discusses Europe as a cautionary tale, warning that even small Muslim populations shift politics and culture once reaching a certain threshold.
  • He refers to Pew polling and cites anecdotes (e.g., Paris, London, lost to Islam) to underscore why Texas must “act before it’s too late.”
  • Quote: “If you look at the statistical data…large majorities of these populations…have highly radicalized positions that are completely incompatible with United States Constitution.” — Wade Miller [07:52]

4. Political and Legislative Animation: The Texas GOP “Civil War”

[18:18 – 23:41, 38:47 – 41:30, 46:41 – 47:11]

• Luke Macias examines why Texas’s political battles attract national and global attention, citing a maturing grassroots network and ongoing GOP establishment vs. conservative rifts.
  • The State’s robust grassroot networks, historically rooted in independence and local activism, now challenge business-country club Republicanism at every turn.
  • Quote: “The difference between the conservative side of the GOP and the moderate establishment side…is still very much alive and well.” — Luke Macias [18:18]
• Macias notes the anti-Sharia issue is now so salient, even previously moderate or establishment figures (e.g., John Cornyn) rush to distance themselves from Islam and support Proposition 10.

5. Overton Window & The Shift to Open Anti-Sharia Politics

[23:41 – 27:29]

• Macias describes a dramatic Overton Window shift: topics previously relegated to “bigotry” now headline mainstream Republican campaigns.
  • Politicians who once denounced anti-Muslim critics are today putting out anti-Sharia ads and passing bans.
    • Quote: “I posted the first text I got from Senator Cornyn that talked about Sharia law on Twitter… Overton window.” — Luke Macias [23:41]
• The show credits “aggressive” Muslim lawmakers with hardball tactics to get Islamic references into Texas law and codes—something the grassroots successfully countered.

6. Congressional Action & Nationalization of the Issue

[35:03 – 36:26]

• Debbie Georgatos lauds the formation of the Congressional “Sharia-Free America” caucus, emphasizing the legitimizing effect of Congressional support.
  • Quote: “For the federal government ... to form a Sharia Free caucus ... it gives people permission to talk about it for the serious threat that it is.” — Debbie Georgatos [35:26]

7. Concerns over GOP Strategy, the Filibuster, and the SAVE Act

[31:46 – 35:03]

• Georgatos urges Republican senators to end the filibuster and pass the SAVE Act to “save America’s elections,” warning Democrats will jettison the filibuster instantly if given the chance.
  • Quote: “We need to do it while we still can.” — Debbie Georgatos [34:17]

8. The Role of the Texas Grassroots, Farmer/Rancher Ethos, and Civic Engagement

[38:47 – 41:30]

• The panel discusses Texas’s exceptional grassroots activism, attributing it to the frontier mentality and traditions of liberty and self-reliance.
  • Quote: “It’s a spirit of liberty…It is taught generationally…A spirit of liberty here that is carried on by ranchers and farmers.” — Debbie Georgatos [39:13]
  • The grassroots are credited with forcing establishment Republicans to embrace the anti-Sharia campaign.

9. Warning about Dark Money, Fake PACs, and Precinct Strategy Subversion

[47:41 – 49:35]

• Jenny Story warns activists and listeners to be wary of fake or dark-money PACs—often leveraging “MAGA” or “Trump” branding—trying to disrupt precinct-level leadership and infiltrate grassroots structures.

10. Voter Turnout Urged: “Get off the Couch”

[49:54 – 51:18]

• With early voting set to start, Story and Bannon urge listeners not to be complacent, highlighting frustratingly low turnout in previous elections and emphasizing the duty to vote for the most conservative candidates.
  • Quote: "If you don't vote...you shouldn't complain." — Jenny Story [49:54]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|--------------------|-------| | 01:53 | Steve Bannon | "The United States Constitution and Sharia are fundamentally at odds with one another." | | 02:05 | Jenny Story | "Islam will never dominate the United States." | | 07:52 | Wade Miller | "Large majorities of the populations in all of these Muslim countries that people are coming from have highly radicalized positions that are completely incompatible with United States Constitution." | | 12:25 | Wade Miller | "We have a right to protect our culture statutorily, legally, etc....you cannot seek to overtly destroy our constitutional order. We will stop you from doing that." | | 18:18 | Luke Macias | "The difference between the conservative side of the GOP and the moderate establishment side of the GOP is still very much alive and well." | | 23:41 | Luke Macias | "Massive Overton window shift. And everybody who's been talking about this issue for two and three years...all those same Republicans are out there saying we gotta ban all of this all the time." | | 35:26 | Debbie Georgatos | "For the federal government...to form a Sharia Free caucus...it gives people permission to talk about it for the serious threat that it is." | | 39:13 | Debbie Georgatos | "It’s a spirit of liberty...It is taught generationally...A spirit of liberty here that is carried on by ranchers and farmers." | | 45:39 | Debbie Georgatos | "Proposition 10…it’s a primal scream of the people to our elected officials: 'Do something.'" | | 49:54 | Jenny Story | "If you don't vote...you shouldn't complain." |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:13] – [03:51]: Setting the tone – Sharia law in Texas; urgency framed
• [07:03] – [09:38]: European precedent and “population threat” analysis
• [12:03] – [14:34]: Texas as a model for national anti-Sharia action
• [18:18] – [22:11]: Texas Republican “Civil War” dynamics and grassroots evolution
• [23:41] – [27:29]: Overton Window: Rise of anti-Muslim rhetoric in mainstream politics
• [31:46] – [35:03]: Senate strategy, filibuster, and the SAVE Act discussion
• [35:26] – [36:26]: Congressional anti-Sharia caucus and nationalization of the issue
• [38:47] – [41:30]: The unique energy and historical roots of Texas grassroots conservatism
• [45:39] – [46:41]: Prop 10 as grassroots pressure on the public square
• [47:41] – [49:35]: Warning about PACs subverting precinct strategy
• [49:54] – [51:18]: Mobilizing voter turnout in the Texas primaries

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Speaker Links & Resources

• Wade Miller: americarenewing.com, Twitter: @WadeMiller
• Luke Macias: The Luke Macias Show on YouTube, Apple, Spotify; Twitter: @LukeMaciasTX
• Debbie Georgatos: americacanwetalk.org, bansharia.com, Twitter: @debbiecanwetalk
• Jenny Story: patriotmobile.com/bannon, Phone: 972-PATRIOT

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Tone and Takeaways

The episode is combative, urgent, and unapologetically polemical, reflecting the show’s overtly conservative, anti-Sharia, and pro-grassroots stance. It frames Texas as both battleground and bellwether for the entire country, extolling its grassroots—sometimes to the point of mythology—and urging listeners to view themselves as participants in a civilizational struggle. While deeply critical of Democrats (repeatedly branding them as Marxists) and skeptical of moderate Republicans, all guests stress legal, “methodical,” and electoral activism as the path forward. The calling card: Get informed, get involved, get voting, and don’t be fooled by imitation activism or establishment inaction.

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Transcript

[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

Islamic Jihadis are plotting against you.

[Texas Conservative Activist]

Why in the hell you think they're in Houston and north of Dallas?

[Luke Macias]

They are working together to overthrow Western.

[Steve Bannon]

Civilization, Sharia compounds which are areas governed by religious rules.

[Texas Conservative Activist]

We know who you are, we know what you are and we know what you're trying to accomplish and it is not going to happen. In the jewel of the crown crown of the union of this republic.

[Luke Macias]

We purge any attempt to impose Sharia law in Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

They are not coming. They are already here.

[Texas Conservative Activist]

You are not here properly and you're going to leave. On 3 March, Sharia law goes on.

[Steve Bannon]

The ballot in the state of Texas. The United States Constitution and Sharia are fundamentally at odds with one another.

[Texas Conservative Activist]

We're going to tell them, take your Sharia law and shove it.

[Jenny Story]

Islam will never dominate the United States.

[Steve Bannon]

And by the grace of God, it.

[Jenny Story]

Will not dominate Texas.

[Texas Conservative Activist]

As Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country?

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War Room Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

Your host, Stephen K. Bannon starts right now. Thank you. Friday the 13th of February in the year of alert 2026. We've got a packed show today. Luke Macias is gonna join us. One of the top political minds in the state. Observers also comes at it with a grassroots perspective. Also Debbie Jurgadis, and she is a sitting member of the Republican National Committee and also grassroots leader and a media star down here. I want to start with Luke, with Wade Miller. Wade, cra. Talk to me about your experience you guys have up. And I want people to get access to this because this race is obviously more than just Prop 10 and Sharia law, but it's vitally important the grassroots support this. This is one of the most hotly contested Senate primaries in I think, the nation's history. Republican primary. And now that Robeson dropped out of the governor's primary against Sandy Biggs in Arizona, which were the two top races, I think is the focal point of grassroots throughout the nation, Sharia law is very important. What is your experience with this? CRA become kind of one of the thought leaders. We got papers, you got studies, you got analysis. But why is this something that you've been really making sure that CRA is at the lead of this and helping frame this conversation?

[Wade Miller]

Mainly because I think in the era of political correctness, there has been a willingness, especially on our side, to not understand this through the proper framing. Too many on our side look at this through just. Well, it's religious liberty of the Constitution says that of course you can be Muslim. And yes, that's correct, but there's a fundamental difference. So the Constitution came out of a Christian culture. The Constitution reflects the values of a Christian people. And so they are very simpatico. What we're seeing, especially with. We already see it in Europe and we're seeing it increasingly in the United States, is that we are importing an entirely different culture that adheres to a faith that is highly radicalized and very conquering in its, you know, written word. And so we're seeing, and, you know, people like Amy Mac, they cover this all the time, all of these radicalized perspectives. And there is an intention by this Islamic minority to start to insert Islam and Sharia into law or effectively make it de facto law, depending on how they want to structure the Sharia courts. And I think that there's going to be, from a public policy perspective, a political perspective, there's going to be people who will say, you know, no to this. But the practical application of it, if the grassroots and if we don't get principled leadership in Texas will be that it will still march forward. You know, people will say just enough to get elected. I mean, this is kind of the hallmark of Greg Abbott. He will say something that sounds great, and then the practical application on the back end is nothing. There's no teeth to it. You know, whether it's the border, whether it's radical Islam. The only reason he will ever do anything is if the temperature rises enough to where he does the political calculus that he needs to do something. I think we need leadership in that state that takes the alternative perspective, which is that we have a major problem. And regardless of what people think, we have to do this on behalf of our constituents. And that's going to take people who understand how to navigate this legally. There are First Amendment protections. You know, the Christian majority in Texas is not seeking to forcibly convert people to Christianity. We have a perspective that if you want to be a Christian, we welcome you. Let me tell you about Jesus, our Lord and Savior. But we're not out there trying to pass laws demanding that people do that. We're not trying to pass laws that. To adhere to the Bible outside of just natural rights. You know, you can't murder people, that kind of stuff. However, Islam is the exact opposite. And we need people to understand that distinction and get out of this failed framing that this is somehow a First Amendment issue. And you can't. You can't speak out against this. People have a right to be Muslim. And yes, they do have a right to be Muslim. They do not have a right to try to subvert our entire constitutional order with their Islamic ideology. And that's the way we have to approach this. And people who are going to attack this and stop it need to understand those distinctions. They need to do so responsibly. They need to understand this from a statutory perspective. They need to understand this from a legal perspective. Because if they go in kind of, you know, guns a blazing and are not thoughtful, the courts are going to have an easy way to shoot down all of this progress that we're trying to make. So we need to be methodical. We need smart people addressing these problems and people who are not afraid to say that this is a problem and we're going to stop it.

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, we're going to get to the resources that you provide for that, to give people background, because we love the fact that people become an informed. Become informed citizenry, then they can use their agency to work on things. I want to go, you know, we had this galvanizing event, it's been about a month ago now that really brought this forefront. We had a conference, all day conference with grassroots leaders. Then we had a big dinner and kind of conference. We brought in Glenn Beck was amazing. I spoke, but the person that kind of blew it out of the room, we brought In Gert Wilders from the Netherlands, that gave the perspective of what he's been working on for 20 years and how he feels he's lost his country, how we've lost Paris, how we've lost London. Before I get to New York, talking to the United States, use the example of, if you don't get in front of this early enough, what has happened and particularly what's happening in Europe.

[Wade Miller]

Yeah, I mean, it's all about percentages of the population at relatively low numbers. We have seen historically that there has been a trend to kind of blend in and go along, but once they reach critical numbers in the population, they start becoming more politically active. And look, I sound like I'm talking absolutes. I know that there are Muslims who are perfectly decent people, Muslims who believe in liberty. But we're talking about the law of large numbers. And if you look at the statistical data that's coming out from Pew, who has measured this over many decades, large majorities of the populations and all of these Muslim countries that people are coming from have highly radicalized positions that are completely incompatible with United States Constitution. And so when these populations reach a certain threshold, whether that's 10% or 13% or 20%, then they start really trying to infuse their ideology into the political processes. This is what we're seeing in Europe. I was just watching a comedian the other day saying that if, you know, in order for him to go visit Paris, he now needs to be able to speak Islam, and there's just some truth to that. And this is happening all over Europe, and I think that we need to look at Europe. They're 10 to 20 years ahead of us on this power curve, and we have the opportunity. I think it may be too late for them. I don't think that they have what it will take to fix this problem at this point. I think demographically, it's a huge problem for them. I don't think that we're past this red line. I think we have opportunity to change this trajectory. And I think that we need, you know, at the national level, vetting standards that are realistic. And, you know, if someone believes that you should be murdered for leaving the religion of Islamic, you should not be allowed in the United States ever. And yet large majorities of the people who come here have radicalized positions like this, completely at odds with the United States Constitution and Christian civil society.

[Steve Bannon]

I want to talk about New York because it has come here. I mean, the color revolution. And we talked about this on the morning show today about, you know, DHS, ICE, the retreat, the shutdown, the 10 things they want, all these political battles. It gets, it's really from this 2020, the stolen election, all the way through this, the 15 to 20 million, 25 million illegal aliens here. But it's this red, green color revolution, this neo Marxist with jihadists. And you see this most prominently in New York City, where Mandami, who never spoke in really kind of Arab inflection or talk much about Islam in the campaign, is now up every couple of days telling you about how Islam is based on the stranger is based on migration Medina. In fact, the New York Times had a huge article how this topic has now become the number one topic in the Republican primary out of nowhere. And they use, I said with a lot of care and people here in Texas that are Muslim, totally by surprise. But they had a quote from, I think an imam, a local imam said, yeah, we do look at Texas as the new Medina. And people would say, well, hey, he's just reinforcing what we've been talking about. Tell me about New York City and how dangerous an example that is.

[Wade Miller]

Yeah. And there was another imam that said that don't worry about the parents, their children will be Muslim. And this is what they're trying to do. But what we're seeing in New York is the look, Islamists have been doing this for thousands of years. They're fairly smart about their strategy of achieving their goals. Here they are just using the progressive left as useful idiots. Do you think that there's really a place for progressive leftists, LBGTQ alliances, climate groups in an Islamist future? No, they are using them and working with them purely for political power to upset the existing culture, to combine with whatever forces are out there that will work with them in a coalition to subvert and take over power. But down the road, they're, you know, I think these radical leftists that are going to have be really surprised, I mean, try to be an LGBTQ activist right now and go to Afghanistan. What's going to happen to you? And that is a harbinger of the future. If they allow radical Islam to take political hold and don't take steps to mitigate the ability of this political ideology to subvert and destroy our entire culture and constitutional order.

[Steve Bannon]

You had at the morning show, we actually finished the morning show with you and you had some. A great, not simply warning, but talking to Texas how important they are in this process. Now, can you tell us about that? Why? Why is this Prop 10 on the ballot? Why is this Texas awakening to this issue to get ahead of it. Why is it so important in this time and place, Sir?

[Wade Miller]

They're uniquely situated in terms of what they're seeing with the. What has happened with the importation of radical Islamists into their state and also have the political ability through control of their state legislature and in theory, a governor who is sympathetic to it. And no matter what happens in this upcoming attorney general race, I think you're going to have the next Attorney General of Texas will be friendly to this. I've had conversations with Chip Roy. He is methodically looking through all of his options that are on this table. I think probably the other candidates are as well. But they have a unique ability and they can show the rest of the country how you do this, how you withstand scrutiny in the courts, how you do this from a public policy perspective and get it right. Again, if you go in guns a blazing, it's going to just have the aura and an appearance of just being a bigot. This isn't about bigotry. I have nothing against Muslims. I just don't want a radical ideology that a certain percentage of these Islamists hold to change my culture and my constitutional order and start to change the shape of what natural law means in this country and who this ultimate source of that. Because the answer is it comes from God. And our Constitution already says that. So we need to go in and methodically, like scientists, take apart this problem and then show the rest of the country, all of the other states. This is how you do it. This is how you fight back against radical Islam. This is how you reclaim and protect your culture as we are empowered to do. We have a right to protect our culture statutorily, legally, etc. And I think that we need the actors, we need leadership in Texas, whether that be whoever the speaker of the House is next session. We need the Texas State Senate, we need the governor, we need the Attorney general, need the Texas Comptroller. We need all of those people to lead on this. Not just give us talking points and not just say what people want to hear concretely put forward plans to deconstruct this problem and show them like, look, you can be Muslim. You cannot change our laws, you cannot change our culture, you cannot change our way of life. And you cannot seek out to. You cannot seek to overtly destroy our constitutional order. We will stop you from doing that.

[Steve Bannon]

Wade, where do people go? You've got tons of information about all these topics and how to really get smart. Our audience loves cra, of course. Russ Vote all the alumni in the government right now helping President Trump. You and a great team are holding the fort. Where do people go right now to get access to all this information?

[Wade Miller]

Sure, you can go to americarenewing.com that's americarenewing.com and my X handle is Wade Miller.

[Steve Bannon]

Wade, thank you so much. Appreciate you, sir.

[Wade Miller]

Thank you.

[Steve Bannon]

Cra. We've got tons of information. They've done such a great job on Sharia law, the Islamic invasion, all of it. Okay, we're at War Room, Texas. We're gonna have two of the smartest minds on politics and particularly from a grassroots perspective. Luke Macias and Debbie Jurgadis are gonna join us next. Short commercial break back in Warham, Texas. Just a moment.

[Luke Macias]

Ride away.

[Wade Miller]

Ride away.

[Steve Bannon]

God.

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[Texas Conservative Activist]

Goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country?

[Steve Bannon]

Luke Macias joins us now. Luke, first off, you know the audience met you the first time was I think in the PACs and impeachment and then later in the redistricting fight. Why? And you saw I was talking to Wade and Wade was on our morning show and we talked about it and he said he ended the show this morning saying what's happening in Texas now in the Sharia law is so important. It's important for the nation. It's really important for the entire Judeo Christian west having probably maybe lost Europe or Europe's gonna be such a struggle to get back. Just first off, you're one of the top political minds in there. You've got a great show and I want everybody make sure they go to it. Why is Texas so important? Not just in Texas, but for the country. But, but we had a massive audience for the impeachment. Not just nationwide. We have people all over the world watching it. We had a massive audience for redistricting. Why does it seem the things that happen in Texas galvanize massive interest outside of Texas?

[Luke Macias]

Well, one of the things I think that your show did during impeachment was it nationalized a state based conflict. And that doesn't happen a lot. If the state of Louisiana is fighting about something, no matter how much we talk about it, it's not that interesting when Texas takes on some of these battles and we have been the epicenter, some of the largest civil war battles in the Republican party and that's what's happening in Texas. And so when you started talking about the impeachment issue, when you started talking about redistricting, it nationalized this conversation. Everyone's focused on it. And I think that's one of the reasons why this primary is so important. The difference between the conservative side of the GOP and the moderate establishment side of the GOP is still very much alive and well. I will say that we've had massive victories, largely due to the grassroots network across Texas that keeps waking up. And that's the other reason it's so important, is because so many people actually know what's going on. When I started this, I was 16 years old, I'm 35. There was no grassroots, there was no Tea Party. I mean you would literally get a couple conservative leaders in a room with 40 people to even know how the speaker was elected. Nobody was doing scorecards on the votes being taken. So this is a 20 year long maturing process. And I think the reason the battle's so important is because the establishment is spending so much money cuz people know more than they ever have.

[Steve Bannon]

Why is it, why do you have this break between. Because even more than Florida or Arizona or anything, even Ohio, Texas is the railhead of the MAGA movement. I keep telling people that you got such a, it's look, 31 million people, you got such a vast group of just dedicated grassroots that do all the hard pick and shovel work. But why is this, this fight? What is the political establishment here, the business establishment, why are they not Embracing the grassroots and realize that if you really had unity here, you could absolutely change the direction of country. Cuz you see on Capitol Hill right now, President Trump, even with the Republicans in the Senate, I mean, we do all this work to do the Save America act and put these things together, and the guys have a perfunctory vote. Men and women have a perfunctory vote in the Republican Senate. Get on a plane and they're over at Munich at the security conference even as we speak. And we're gonna have a DHS shutdown and no election integrity. People have a tough time figuring this out. In Texas, you're right, is the epicenter of the Civil War.

[Luke Macias]

So one of the things I remember that came out with the Paxton impeachment was the realization that some of the more moderate establishment business country club forces in the GOP are flexing their muscle because they are losing power every single election. And even in that election, you know, 17 Republican incumbents lost their primary. They have less power and influence than they ever have before. I think that's another reason why we see the Civil War conflicts in the GOP still existing, because they know that if they can't at least stem the momentum that conservatives have started, they will lose entire control of Texas. And these are individuals who have put a ton of money into this state for a long time. Remember, we have counties that have larger operating budgets than some states in the U.S. and so there's a lot more money. And I always say a lot more money just gives you kind of a boost to sin and nature and all the natural causes that cause us to do the wrong things. And so it incentivizes the wrong behavior. Those forces are putting more than they ever have because they know that conservatives have gained substantially over the last several years, in my opinion.

[Steve Bannon]

So you're one of the most astute guys mathematically in all this because eventually you got to get to the math. And you've been making this point. I want you to talk to the audience about it. This is the most may end up being the most expensive Republican Senate primary in the history of the country. But you're saying you're not seeing the polls move all that much. Walk us through that. The amount of money being spent and why does it seem that this race is kind of at least a little bit defined? It's all going to be about get out the vote. But it appears that money may not be the driving force here.

[Luke Macias]

Money doesn't seem to be driving substantially the polls one way or another. You're in a Republican primary for US Senate where at this point, I think when you count all sides, it's going to be well over $100 million they could spend on the Senate prim. And the polling that was six months ago is largely the polling that was three months ago is largely the polling that was yesterday is that there's single digit, everything's moving within the margins. One person goes to 35%, then they drop down to 32, then they go to 31. Ultimately, I think you're gonna see likely at this point because Wesley Hunt jumped in the race, a runoff between Senator Cornyn and Attorney General Paxton. And it seems like that's exactly what the polling said before the $100 million got spent. And it's exactly what the pol polling is saying now that the money's all.

[Steve Bannon]

Been spent this year of Sharia, I think collectively a group of people came together and gave people a permission structure. My phone's blown up. Other states want to do this. They said, hey, this is a huge issue. People want to address it. I noticed when you talk about John Corner, he's got an ad out now anti, you know, don't shria my Texas ad. Very anti. Shria. I think he put in legislation, I think it was last night, this morning to Banshee law. How is, is he. Is this now driving? You know, the New York Times had a huge article, the Texas Tribune had a huge article about this kind of coming out of nowhere. What they said to do it. First off, why did it perceive come out of nowhere and how important is this issue in driving the narrative?

[Luke Macias]

Yeah, massive Overton window shift. And everybody who's been talking about this issue for two and three years, Debbie Georgiadis is about to come on the show. I looked it up three years ago. I had a episode, one of my weekly episode and the title was we just had the most pro Muslim session in Texas history. That was in 2023. And I remember it was a couple hundred people that watched it at the time. Some people reached out that year, a bunch of Republican politicians started calling those of us who were criticizing them for celebrating Muslim holidays and putting the Muslim faith into Texas law. They started calling us bigots, racists. And now all those same Republicans are out there saying we gotta ban all of this all the time. I posted the first text I got from Senator Cornyn that talk about Sharia law on Twitter three, four weeks ago and just said overton window. And we should recognize that. I know that there's a lot not happening that we're disappointed in. But every now and then when people move in the right direction, we go, hey, this is a win. Because we're all shaping the narrative now. We've driven the framing. Now the question is, what are we gonna do about it? I know that's part of what you wanna talk about. This happened three years ago. Two Muslim members came into the legislature. They swore in on the Quran and they meant it. And then they started celebrating every Muslim holiday they could. They started getting all of their Christian fellow lawmakers to attend all of their Muslim dinners. They started trying to put imams and halal food into Texas code. They wanted to put the Muslim faith into Texas code wherever they could. So it started three years ago is still continuing today. And that's why I think it is kind of reaching that pinnacle of awareness. People are finally saying, I don't want to touch this. I remember a friend of mine in Weatherford, and I'll close with this, that he was running against a bad Republican, Glenn Rogers. My call caught his name. Total grassroots champion. And so Glenn Rogers starts getting criticized for voting to celebrate all these Muslim holidays in the Texas House. And Mike Alcott's pastor gets up on Sunday and says, Mike Alcott's right there, we're all voting for him. And I'll tell you this, he's never going to celebrate Muslim holidays at the Texas House. And you started realizing even the pastors in the pulpits are waking up. They didn't know what was happening. So I think it's been a three year journey at this point on the Muslim issue in particular.

[Steve Bannon]

Luke, just go back over there, cuz you've said something that I don't think people fully grasp yet. They've been very aggressive, even with a very small foothold because they're very savvy about this. They've been very aggressive of trying to get Islamic law basically coded in to Texas law. Just give me a minute on that and then we'll let you punch. But I think this is quite. This is something people have to focus on.

[Luke Macias]

Yeah. So I will give the Texas Senate credit. Many of the bills that the Muslim members of the Texas House are, were able to pass over the last two sessions. The Texas Senate kills. So the Texas Senate has a group of lawmakers say the Senate never celebrates the Muslim faith. It does not insert Muslim. The Muslim faith into Texas code. But they will do things like taking a particular portion of code that says who can marry somebody? And even though imams can currently marry somebody, they can go get a certificate and marry somebody they want the word imam into Texas code. They want it right next to pastor. And so they're trying to insert their faith into Texas. That's just one example. But you start looking at all their bills and they all have that theme, the resolutions they pass, that is the state of Texas officially celebrating the Muslim faith and culture is what you honor and what you shame. And they want the culture in Texas to be one that honors the Muslim faith weekly in the halls of the Texas Capitol. And we know the damage that that does. And so I think the grassroots even bringing attention to you now have even middle of the road Republicans begging leadership to just kill all of the Muslim resolutions cuz they're tired of having to answer for it back in their districts.

[Steve Bannon]

Luke, your show, where do people get it? When does it play in social media? Because you're one of the smartest political minds in the state of Texas. Where do folks go?

[Luke Macias]

LukeMaciasTX on Twitter? You can go to the Luke Messiah show, which is on YouTube, it's on Spotify, it's on Apple. I come once a week. I don't have the endurance of Steve Bannon, but I do at least have enough to come to you once a week for 30 minutes and give you the insight on Texas politics.

[Steve Bannon]

It's brilliant. You're concise. Let's say that it's brilliant. Luke, thank you so much for joining us here. Appreciate you.

[Luke Macias]

Thank you, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

Okay, take a short commercial break. An extraordinary woman is going to join us, Debbie Jorgatis, a national committee woman with the Republican National Committee and also a grassroots fighter. Short commercial break. Back in Warham, Texas in a moment.

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[Texas Conservative Activist]

Texas goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state? Are you prepared to fight for your country?

[Steve Bannon]

The great thing about this is both with Luke and Debbie, they both host shows that are incredibly informative. Debbie, you join us now. I also want people to understand you're a national committee woman from the state of Texas and every state's got equal representation on the rnc, but you do represent the jewel in the crown. You're one of the three people to represent. You know, there's 31 million people in Texas. It's the eighth biggest economy. And since we don't have a lot of, we don't have a lot of stroke in California, you know, people look to you on the, on the Republican National Committee as one of the real leaders. Just from a national perspective, before we get. And we just had the Sharia caucus meet, we had Tuberville on here the other day, who's a Senate member of a Chip Roy, who played spy cuts. We voted on the Save America act, right, to get some modicum of organization and common sense in the national elections. And the Senate took a perfunctory vote and all the Republicans voted for it. 53. John Thune I think flipped because technicality. If you wanna bring it back up, you gotta do that. Fetterman also, I believe, voted for it. But there's no push to go to a standing filibuster, to go to a talking filibuster. And so what's your perspective of just what's happening? President Trump is trying to get things done. He's trying to codify things. What's your perspective from the RNC of how we're doing? And now we're getting ready for the run up of the midterm elections.

Man, thank you. I love representing Texas and the Republican National Committee. I love being a Texan on the rnc, there are a wide range of people who they represent various states. And so it's a wide range of people. But my sense is that within the Republican National Committee, not speaking on their behalf, I am not a spokesperson for them. But my sense in being at meetings and talking to them, most of them understand we have to pass the SAVE act and we have to support President Trump's efforts to get elections honest and Fair. They're very basic requirements of SAVE Act. So at least personally speaking for me in Texas, I'm really disappointed that the Republicans who do have the majority in the Senate don't just use that power because the filibuster rule is not in the Constitution. It's not a federal mandate in law. It is something that can just be done away with. And I think that the neat. What is really needed more than anything else is to have people around the country, patriots, telling their members, the U.S. senate, your Republican members, we want you to get rid of the filibuster, pass the SAVE act, get this done. The SAVE act is about really saving America's elections. It is that serious because we've had decades of corruption and the ability of people who aren't citizens and shouldn't be voting being able to cast a ballot. This is just getting back to honest elections. I really encourage grassroots everywhere to communicate with your senator and say, get the dang thing done and stop worrying about the filibuster rule. Because they're not compelled to follow that rule. They don't have to do it. They can just put it up, put the issue up, have the vote, get it done.

Is one of your concerns is, I know this is the president's concern, is that, hey, this has been a custom and tradition. It used to be a standing filibuster. That's why you saw the Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. But then it became the 60 vote and it has, by the way, it's protected us from amnesty. But his point is the Democrats have been very vocal and they got a quite radical plan about adding maybe Puerto Rico as a state expanding. You know, Mike Lee keeps warning about packing the court like FDR tried to do, to get over the. That the Democrats will immediately, if they take over the Senate, drop. And the Senate's in the balance right now. We gotta be honest about that, that they will immediately get rid of the filibuster, not even do a standing filibuster. So they control things with 51 votes. Is that your concern? Is that one of the reasons you're advocating that we gotta be very smart about this now?

Absolutely. I don't think there's any doubt if there is an opportunity for the Democrats having control of the Senate, Senate to end the filibuster. I think there's no doubt they'll do it. We watched the four years under Biden Harris just running roughshod over the country over the laws, the abuse that was inflicted on by the DOJ and the FBI on Trump Supporters. I just think that the base in America, the Republican base, they know we need to have the filibuster to end. And I think there's no doubt at all the Democrats will do that. They are on a mission. They're on a mission that you saw under Biden Harris to really undermine all of the. The freedoms of America. The Democrat Party is a very dangerous, radical leftist place. And I think they will seize that power and end the filibuster if they can. And we need to do it while we still can.

What about. They just announced Chippewa is one of the leaders in this from Texas. Senator Tuberville jumped in. But the announcement this past week of. And of course, Keith Self, the Colonel Self doing a great job leading it. Also this Congressional anti shria caucus, Shria Free America Caucus. How important was that for the efforts down here in Texas?

It is hugely important to have Texas congressman in the lead of it. And also Congressman Brandon Gill has been outspoken. My Congressman Keith Self, along with Chip Roy. This really brings national attention. You know, I think people who listen to your show are just, they're activists or serious thinkers. And so they probably understood we had a problem for quite a while. But for the federal government, the United States House of Representatives, to form a Sharia free caucus to put bills in place to try to implement what they're trying to do, which is end the potential for Sharia invading America, it is hugely consequential. It actually gives legitimacy to the conversation among elected officials in Texas. It's not just a small little group of people meeting in a dark room whispering about being concerned about Sharia. The US Congress housed a Sharia Free caucus. It opens, it gives people permission to talk about it and to talk about it for the serious threat that it is.

By the way, we've played multiple times now. The first session they had, they had some incredible witnesses. And Brandon Gill, who's a rising star, not just in the Texas delegation. Brandon Gill's a rising star in the House of Representatives. His questioning was just absolutely brilliant as he went through the opposing witnesses to really get to the bottom of how phony some of their statistics were. Let's go to Texas. Now, before I talk about Sharia law, you mentioned how radical the Democrats are getting. We're seeing this all over seeing in Minneapolis, we're seeing it in New York City, in California. I mean, this is not your father's Democratic Party. And the Democratic Party had a. Basically I come from the Commonwealth of Virginia. When I was a small kid, everybody were Democrats right there. Was no Republican Party the same in Texas. I mean, Texas has been a Democratic state for a long time, time. But that's changed over the last 30 years. Republicans are clearly in power. But you're seeing and I've been here now for I think three weeks and we watch the TV ads, we're meeting every day with people, the Texas Democratic Party part of it. Like in the Senate 9 situation, you actually have DSA. You got the working family party down in Houston, very, very strong. You got Jasmine Crockett. I think right now Jasmine Crockett could be odds on favor effort to win the Senate primary. I mean, the Democratic Party in Texas is pretty radical, is it not?

It is. And you know, I used to comment about the Democrat Party in Minnesota because I have family roots in Minnesota. My parents, my dad grew up there and they were flat out Marxists. The ones the Democrats in Minneapolis, not in Minnesota. I used to think, well, Texas is different. You know, we're all Texans here. We love liberty, we love the spirit of Texas. But yes, the Texas Democrat Party is not fighting any of they didn't stand up during the four years of Biden Harris against any of the policies. They all acted like it was normal. And yes, there are growing core groups within the Democrat Party in Texas. They're just not on board with the basic idea of a U.S. constitution, the Texas Constitution, the ideas that give us freedom and opportunity and that whole spirit of Texas individualism and Texas liberty and strength that is, that is really only owned by the Republican Party in Texas these days. The Democrats are across the country radical, and I'm sad to say the radical bent of the Democrat Party has come to Texas as well.

Debbie, one of the reasons I think people are so thankful that you're on the Republican National Committee is you're looked at as one of the voices of the grassroots in Texas. And one of the leaders of the grassroots in Texas talked about this. Why is the grassroots in Texas is so big, so profound and quite frankly is fighting the Republican establishment every day but winning more than losing? What is it about Texas that has this kind of very robust grassroots movement.

That is such a great question. I'll tell you. My husband and I come and admit an air here. I grew up in New York, but my husband and I arrived in Texas in the year 2000. We were here about two weeks. We thought we said we will never leave. We love this place. It's a spirit of liberty. And part of I think, think it is some of Texas history, just how we came to be a state and fought against. Fought for independence first. We were an independent country ourselves, and that briefly, and then became part of America. But I think there's a spirit of liberty that is taught generationally. A lot of it has to do with ranching and farming and people really living off of their own personal work and responsibility and ability to make their way in the world. So I think there's a. There's a spirit of liberty here that is carried on by ranchers and farmers. But even within the cities, the Republican parties are just there. There is a division you allude to. It's very true. There's a. An establishment wing of the party and then the more grassroots wing of the party. And yes, grassroots are very strong. Grassroots conservatives in Texas. Very strong and very. And so far, really, I would say say, at least publicly, you know, the establishment wing and the conservatives, we try to work together. We have a lot of common ground. And I think they are recognizing, if you don't recognize in America today how radical the left is, how dangerous their agenda is. They just left the border open for four years. So I think maybe Republicans, they have. You have a more establishment group, grassroots group, but we can come together and recognize it's the Democrat radical, Marxist socialist agenda and the left of America that is our real enemy. So I think, moving forward, I also think that Republican conservative grassroots types, we speak up a lot, and we are active in the legislation. We go down to the legislature during this session. We try to explain why we think some bill is so important, why this issue must be addressed. And I think that it does end up carrying the day because the activists and also the state Republican executive Committee, very, very active, showing up in the legislature, urging them, please stand with this and against this. So I think there's a. There's just an energy that is engaging down here among conservatives, and I think it's helping to move the party or keep it to the right.

We got about 90 seconds. I want to go to break, but I do want to hold you through the break and bring you back. The grassroots has driven kind of the permission structure. The grassroots forced. Has really forced this whole issue of Prop 10 and Sharia law on the ballot. But. But, you know, John Cornyn has put out an ad that he's, you know, he's all for Prop 10 and anti Sharia law. Don't Sharia my Texas. He just put, I think, announced a new law that he's putting forward in the Senate. Talk to me about that. The grassroots here drove the conversation. We're gonna spend more time about it when we come back for Give me a minute on that. The grassroots here drove this into the basically the public square.

Absolutely 100%. The reason there is a proposition on the Marster primary ballot that says Texas should prohibit Sharia law is because of the grassroots. It is hugely significant that the attorney general candidates in Texas, all three of them that are seriously in play, talk openly about the danger of Sharia. The US Senate candidates brought the issue up. Attorney General Paxton, being very, very, you know, very active in his campaign for U.S. senate, has talked about the issue. I think that John Cornyn finally realized, I guess we have to get on board with this issue. So, so it is helping the cause of raising the alarm bell about Sharia that all these players in Texas, they will now speak up publicly, these candidates, about what the threat we face in Texas.

Debbie Jurgadis, you're gonna stick through the break. Short commercial break. We're gonna return with War Room Texas. Just a moment.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Texas Conservative Activist]

Goes, so goes the nation. As the nation goes, so goes the world. Are you prepared to fight for this state?

[Jenny Story]

Are you?

[Texas Conservative Activist]

Are you prepared to fight for your country?

[Steve Bannon]

It's Texas. So Jenny stories join me. We're going to get to Debbie in just a second. Debbie, Georgia first off Debbie, give me a minute. We'll have you back on next week. About you're one of the grassroots leaders, how the grassroots should approach talking to people about Proposition 10. Ma'.

Am, absolutely. Proposition 10 is the single most important vote we can do in the SmartServ primary belt, of course, along with the Senate and the Attorney General Ray race. But the reason Proposition 10, it will pass, but we need it to pass with overwhelming majority, be graded past 90%. And the reason is it gives courage, strength and a message of pressure to elected officials, state reps, state senators, U.S. congress, that the people of Texas want you to take action. And so it doesn't have any impact. It does not become part of the Constitution. It's not making a new law. It's a voice of the people. It's a primal scream of the people to our elected officials, do something. So it's Proposition 10. It just says Texas should prohibit Sharia law. And there are many, many ways in which Sharia is already in place in Texas. It's not just about law. It's about culture, too. But it sends a message that we're defending our American Constitution, our freedom, our very existence as Texas, the land of self reliance and independence.

Debbie, where do people go? You've got a show. I want people to get access to the show. Also your social media, they got to keep up with you. Where do folks go?

Thank you. My show is called America can we Talk? You can find it [e-mail] we also have a website on this cause for ban Sharia. We have Bansharia.com you can go to that. But back to my social media. On Twitter, it's EBI D E B B I ebbycanwetalk. I'm on all the social media. You can find me under America, can we talk? Or under Debbie. Georgia.

Great. Ban Sharir. We'll get that up there too. Debbie, thank you so much. Appreciate you coming on. All the work you're doing here, here. Thank you.

Thank you. Steve, good to see you.

Jenny, Story, you're a grassroots leader too also. You run Patriot. I've seen the company now up close and personal for a while. Your day to day running this, running this organization. We love Glenn's story, but he's on the road talking to people about Patriot Mobile. You're here running this magnificent company. You've got a warning you want to come on this morning. We got about five minutes.

[Jenny Story]

Sure.

[Steve Bannon]

You said hey. The precinct strategy, which has been so powerful in building the grassroots across the nation and particularly in Texas. I just had a precinct, Precinct chairman on that, came in with the precinct strategy. They're under assault right now with very nefarious activity. What is this?

[Jenny Story]

Okay, so I've seen text messages and some banners from these PACs that are not even, you know, registered in the counties where they're going after the precinct chair. So there's very clever. The precinct chairs are the folks that are basically boots on the ground, knocking doors, knowing who's running and making recommendations. And so it's kind of like there's. There's these PACs that are coming in, and so people need to be careful. You know why?

[Steve Bannon]

These PACs have MAGA, they have Trump's name. They've just all this. These are out of state or out of district.

Out of district.

Trying to go after grassroots leaders.

[Jenny Story]

That's right.

[Steve Bannon]

That's right.

[Jenny Story]

So be very careful. Know who your precinct chairs are. Know who's been fighting for you for years. You know, why is it time to be taking them out? You know, you've really got to question it. And just because you see MAGA or you see Trump on a candidate's profile or being endorsed by them, you gotta question, where is that pack from? And, like, I think some of them aren't even registered with TEC yet. People are looking into it.

[Steve Bannon]

That's the Texas Elections Commission.

[Jenny Story]

That's right. So, you know, just, you know who your precinct chairs are, you know who've been fighting for you, you know, who's true to the movement and to the cause. So be skeptical, because this is a very clever game. There's dark money that's coming into Texas, and we've seen that even in school board elections. And now they're going down in the precinc. So just be very careful about accepting something that might say MAGA or Trump on it, because it can be just. It's like, I feel like this is a psychop operation or something like this.

[Steve Bannon]

Right.

[Jenny Story]

And so we just gotta be very careful. Know who your precinct chairs are. Just remember who they are.

[Steve Bannon]

Talk to me. Give me a couple minutes. We got a few minutes here. Give me a couple minutes on this. Prop 10 early voting starts next week. You've been behind the scenes. You and Debbie have done such a heavy lifting on the grassroots side. Where do you think we are? The enthusiasm all the candidates now are talking about, but the grassroots? Are we going to start seeing some real muscle next week in the early voting?

[Jenny Story]

Well, I surely hope so. The problem is we also see that a lot of conservatives don't like to get off their couch to vote. As I said last time, you know, politics is a dirty word among conservatives. Conservatives want to focus on their faith, their family, their work. And unfortunately, if you don't vote, which we absolutely have to vote, you know, we had low turnout here in the special election.

[Steve Bannon]

District 9.

Exactly.

[Jenny Story]

But on a lot of different special elections as well. Well, we need to get off of our couches and we need to vote for the best and the most conservative candidate. People complain about the candidates that are running in November and they shouldn't complain if they didn't vote. So I'm just encouraging and saying, you know, be part of history, vote in these primaries. Prop 10 is also important. It doesn't become law, but it sends a message to the legislators to give them the courage as well. So please get off your couch, go out and vote.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

But you called 972 Patriot. You're gonna get somebody with an east Texas accent, a Texas citizen, US citizen talking to you.

[Jenny Story]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Jenny Story]

So go to patriot mobile.com and it's backslash Bannon.

[Steve Bannon]

It's Jenny. It's 972. Patriot. Okay, we're going to leave you. Ben Harwell is going to be here, here. We're going to go from Texas to Rome. Next. Ben Hornwell's going to run. I'll be back at 10:00am Eastern Standard Time tomorrow, 10:00 clock. In the morning of 11:00 o', clock, we're going to have our one hour special on Tina Peters, the 500 Days of Tina Peters as Tina Peters. This weekend on Valentine's Day weekend and President's Day weekend, we'll be in a maximum security, high security women's prison in Colorado for her 500th day. Make sure you meet, you stick around. This is going to be quite powerful. Tomorrow. Tomorrow at 11 o'. Clock. We'll be back at 10. Ben Harnwell takes it from here from Rome. See you tomorrow.

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