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Sally Grubbs
Already investigated these same Fulton county claims in 2024 and found no fraud, no malfeasance, nothing. But now there are new members, so we're doing it again and again.
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That is not oversight, that is a vendetta.
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Sally Grubbs
And this board is still leaving the
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Steve K. Bannon
door open to take over Fulton county elections.
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Nicole Wallace
No fraud. There was none. Hi again, Everybody. It's now five o'clock in New York. The tighter the Trump administration flexes its grip around our country's election systems even today, the plainer it is for all of us to see what this is really about. But that really is. It's not a flex at all. It's fear. Not from voters, but from Donald Trump, who seems to recognize what's clearly on the way. A midterm election season resembling a political freight train propelled by overwhelming public disgust with his conduct as president in a second term. Today it's happening in the state of Georgia. Georgia is at the epicenter of Donald Trump's fear. Always has been. He's actually there right now, speaking to some of his supporters in the state. It was supposed to be a speech about the economy, but those speeches never end up being about the economy. Within the first few minutes, he started talking about voter id, proof of citizenship, and Democrats wanting to cheat, even though there's no evidence Democrats have cheated anywhere. The backdrop of all of that is what's important, though. Today, Georgia's five member MAGA majority state election board concluded its very first meeting since the Trump administration conducted that shocking FBI raid on the elections office in Fulton county, with one Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, in attendance. It's one predicated on publicly debunked claims of non existent fraud. Claims that Bill Barr called bull bleep. It appears that body, though, may be close to executing a maneuver all but endorsed by Donald Trump on his social media account. A state takeover of elections in Georgia's most diverse and most populous county. A few moments ago, you heard from a concerned attendee in that meeting on that issue. But again, this is actually just one battlefield, one front. And a broader effort being undertaken right now by Donald Trump to tip the scales in his favor in the upcoming elections. Consider this the latest reporting from msnow. The Department of Homeland Security's chief investigations arm this week launched a broader nationwide campaign to investigate and prosecute naturalized citizens who may have improperly voted in past elections before they became citizens. According to documents reviewed by msNow, it's an effort spurring deep concern among law enforcement agents that the administration's true goal is to is to intimidate voters from participating in future elections.
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Yeah, I mean, this is so sweeping. And the thing that I sort of get frustrated about is a lot of people talk about as if the threat to elections is a future thing. This is happening now. And I think we should be very clear eyed about the fact that this will be our first openly authoritarian election. It is underway now. We are facing oppressive conditions from our own government. And if you want to talk about a framework for how we should view this, the way I think about it is sort of two buckets like the Trump administration is openly seeking to interfere with the way that we compete in our elections. And that has to do with our free speech rights, to protest ICE for candidates to go on cable TV shows, to go on talk shows at night, the smearing of potential candidates and anyone who may stand in his way that comes from the White House on a regular basis as a means of intimidation, the retaliatory investigations that we see. The list goes on and on. So that is the first bucket. They want to change the way we compete by intimidating people and using every love or government they can to crack down on people who challenge their authority. And then the second bucket is that they're openly seeking to change the way that votes are counted. That has to do with voter registration, the way that we go to the polls, the election rules. And then ultimately I think we're going to see, you know, more investigations in places where he doesn't think, find the votes as needed. And we're going to see the same kind of playbook that we saw in 2020. But it's different this time, as Mark was getting to, because they do control so many levers of power and they know how to use it. And yes, I think national emergencies are going to be part of it. But the biggest threats that I see coming forth and playing games in here are sort of like this Three headed Hydra as represented by dhs, DOJ and Intel. You can put a face on it. Kristi Noemi, Pan Bondi, Tulsi Gabbard, because they're doing it now. And so I think we need to be very clear eyed that this isn't something that we have to like, look into a crystal ball and say it's going to happen because they're putting the pieces in place now. And I get so frustrated, Nicole, and I'm sure you do, too, is that when Trump says, you know, essentially, I want to nationalize elections, there's a slew of editorials from all these supposedly responsible Republicans that say, well, he can't do that because xyz, what is he doing now in Fulton County? Why is he rerunning? Why is Tulsi Gabbard there? So let's be upfront that when he says he wants to nationalize elections, he's probably going to try to nationalize elections. And he can't do that per se. And we're not going to have elections canceled, but they're going to put their thumb on the scale when it comes to the way we compete in the way we count.
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Steve K. Bannon
By the way, did you see they raided the Fulton County Place storage house and now the Democrats have hired a massive team of lawyers. They have the ballots. That should be no problem, right? They have the ballots. FBI came in and raided. They found plenty of stuff. And now they have the ballots. And the Democrats are fighting like hell. And I think it goes before a judge tomorrow to not let anybody see the ballots. Why don't they want them to see the ballots after all these years? You know why they don't want. Because they cheated. That's why they've taken the ballots. They have them now after years. They got an order from the court, signed order from a very respected judge. And now they're trying to stop anybody from looking. You know why? Because they cheated like dogs. I can't not say to you guys that in my mind this looks very simple. This is the continuation, Nicole, of a criminal conspiracy that Donald Trump started five years ago. People forget when they hear about this story that he was indicted on 13 felony counts in Fulton county for trying to meddle in that election. Five years later, he's back at it. They said it was foreign interference. They said it was irregularities in an affidavit. And then Trump said the truth in that interview a couple weeks ago with NBC. He said, those agents are going to find out who really won in 2020.
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Sally Grubbs
There it is.
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Steve K. Bannon
Thank you. Okay. I have to jump in here. There's been an emergency announcement by the Supreme Court. They have struck down 6, 3 unconstitutional President Trump's emergency tariffs. Peter Navarro was scheduled to come on following John Solomon. We've got the great crew in Georgia that has the mainstream media's head blowing up about what's going on. You should notice Nicole Wallace led her number one show on msnbc. Exactly what we did here in the war room yesterday morning because Georgia is so important. Sally Grubbs, Jason Frazier, others, Joe Hoft, Harry Hari, others are going to join us. We'll get to that in a moment. John Solomon, you're here for breaking news on John Brennan. But I got to ask you, sir, this is a monumental decision by the Supreme Court that appears six to three, they've struck down President Trump's tariffs.
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John Solomon
Yeah, they have, yeah. Listen, I think it was pretty obvious from the arguments that they were leaning in that direction. The president rolled the dice because he wants middle class America to have a better deal, not the elitist who enjoyed the last two decades of the economy. He's got to go back to the drawing board now and try to figure out a way to keep the success of the tariffs going, probably by working with Congress and getting a deal with Congress. So not surprising to me after watching it. And when I talked to the president recently, I said I thought it was going to be a 63 against them, but there might be some pathways that the court would lay out to keep these going in concert with Congress. He's got to turn to Congress and make a deal with his own party and that's where he is at this moment.
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Steve K. Bannon
John Solomon, I want to compare and contrast the breaking story you've got up on Judson as you put up late last night on Brennan and what's happening in this investigation, what you just heard about the mainstream media freaking out about Georgia and saying this is the first authoritarian election and nothing's found there. And why is the FBI seized these ballots for criminal prosecution? Why is dni, you know, you're seeing it right now. And Abby Lowell and the president said it yesterday, gave a shout out to Everybody's been focused on this. Abby Lowell and Norm Ison are down there next week for a trial to get the evidence back. Compare and contrast that to the story you broke here and tell us about John Brennan and how that's being handled.
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John Solomon
Well, if you want to talk about election interference, just think about the role that John Brennan and James Comey and the FBI played in trying to fool the American people at the end of the 2016 election and all the way into 2019 into believing that Donald Trump was a stooge of the Russian government, when in fact, as we now know from a report released by the Biden Justice Department from a special prosecutor named John Durham, there wasn't an iota, that's what the report said, not an iota of evidence that such a plot existed. So the Democrats are very good at doing what they do and then trying to project on the Republicans their sins. And I think right now they're panicked because I don't agree often with Nicole Wallace. I can remember when she was telling us we should ignore Hunter Biden. No, they're there. But I think she might have it right with the people she had. There is a three headed monster right now. It is the Justice Department in the form particularly of the Civil Rights Division, which is doing some extraordinary work cleaning up dirty voter rolls, in the form of the Homeland Security Department and then in the form of Tulsi Gabbard, who I think is going to help us understand that the storylines we were given in 2020 and 21 and 22 about what did and didn't happen in our election were not honest, were not true, were not complete. And so that is the three headed monster. The only truth is, or the only difference between Nicola Wallace and I is I think those three have some incredible facts which the Democratic Party doesn't really have.
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Steve K. Bannon
John, does it appear to you like we finally had the raid after five or six years with Cash in Tulsi, that the more they get into the files, the more they get their sea legs, the more they stand up. Some of these local prosecutors we're now starting to see, you had said before, hey, just wait, it's gonna be in January or February, you'll start seeing rolling and this momentum behind that, can you tell our audiences, do you still believe that now? Are you starting to feel that?
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John Solomon
I think there's more momentum now than even when I started to say that in early January. The grand jury down in Fort Pierce, Florida is really digging into a conspiracy case. And the most important thing about the story this morning, what we reported this morning, is that prosecutors, the prosecutors overseeing the grand conspiracy case of weaponization, whether there was a grand conspiracy to deprive Donald Trump and his followers of their civil liberties by creating fake investigations, that they asked the Senate in a secret request to send evidence of John Brennan's testimony going all the way back to 16 and 17. That's when he was talking about Russia, collusion behind closed doors with the Senate Intelligence Committee, that is a very big tip. First off, it shows sign of life. There's activity going on, significant activity. But the reason you would go back to 16 and 17 is not because the statute's in place, because the lying Congress law has a five year statute. So the only thing that they could charge him with is lying. In the 2023 testimony before the House Judiciary Committee, that's what Jim Jordan referred Brennan to the Justice Department for. There's a pretty strong body of evidence that shows John Brennan's emails and John Brennan's testimony do not match at all. But going back to 16 or 17, the only reason you would do that is if you were building a conspiracy case and you were going to start to say that this was a pattern and that these are overt acts outside of the statute of limitations that we're going to bring into the case because of we're treating it as a criminal conspiracy. So on the weaponization, very strong activity. How a grand jury ultimately votes, we'll have to wait and see. On the election integrity, there is a ma and President Trump earlier this week tweeted out something from one of the things I said that seems to affirm what I'm, what I'm saying that the president is about to declassify a large body of evidence, a body of evidence that's been mostly secret since 2019. And it will show a different sort of story than the perfect election that we were told on 60 Minutes or that we were told by Chris Wray. There was no foreign interventions in our election. It's going to show multiple foreign powers taking very specific actions, breaching certain databases and taking hostile measures in our elections that members of Congress states have been kept in the dark in. And I think that that's a project that Tulsi Gabbard is working on. And why is it important? It means that our election systems, because we haven't addressed this, may still be vulnerable. We got to tighten that up and fix it before the 2026 election.
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Steve K. Bannon
John Solomon, where do people go for content? You're live at six. Tonight we're live at five. We'll be transitioning over you. What is. Because I understand there's more things coming out today and over the weekend. Where do people go?
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John Solomon
There are. Yeah, John Solomon or Jay Solomon reports on social media. Just the news.com on the website in the best way and of course just the news, no Noise, the TV show. At six we'll have some new revelations about the CIA debunking some of the Past work of the Obama Biden administration probably tonight. So take a look there.
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Steve K. Bannon
Wow, fantastic. Great report on Brennan. The mainstream media, particularly msnbc, they understand the stakes down in Georgia. We're going to go to Georgia, but we're going to have the White House Peter Navarre here talking about the myths on GDP about the democratic shutdown last quarter. In the fourth quarter, however, a bombshell just dropped in Washington D.C. by a 6 to 3 majority, the Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that President Trump's emergency tariffs are unconstitutional. I don't know folks, how do you unwind this one? We'll talk about it next in the war room. Comes in at 1.1.4. 1.4. 1.4 would be the lowest GDP since 1Q25 when it was negative, slightly negative, around a half a percent. Now if we look at consumption comes in as expected, 2.4, but that's about a full percent less than the sequential look at the final read. Last quarter, 2.4 would be the lowest since also 1Q25 when it was point 6. If you look at the pricing index, not good news here. 3.6, we're looking for 2.8. 3.6 is 2:10 slower sequentially but much higher.
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John Solomon
Ruling here on the President's tariffs, the so called IA that is the International Emergency Economic Powers Act. The Supreme Court was deciding whether or not that law was appropriately applied to the President's authority to create tariffs that he did through throughout 2025. Now this applies to all the President's tariffs related to what he called Liberation Day and that massive change in geopolitical and trade relations that we saw around the world. This ruling is now in and we are looking at it right now. Carl, it's 170 pages. So I'm going to take a moment and read it here before I tell you what it says. But we do have the ruling from the Supreme Court here on the President's tariffs and whether or not they are legal or not.
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Steve K. Bannon
And we're going to go through it
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John Solomon
line by line here momentarily.
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Steve K. Bannon
Okay, we're gonna go back to Georgia. We've got the entire team that caused the mainstream media to have a meltdown about voter integrity. I can't be more blunt that this is a bombshell. Six, three, Roberts is driving. This is a five, four decision and Gorsuch jumped in for air cover. But Roberts in the Roberts court because remember he's a Bush guy. The John Solomon said something quite profound. The fight here is between the Maga populist nationalist economic policies of President Trump and kind of the neoliberal neocon of the traditional Republican Party, which we are trying to replace. President Trump's thinking and Peter Navarro's thinking and Scott Bessant's thinking and Jameson Greer's thinking and others that have worked on this and some for years is this goes back to what's called the American system. And yes, President Trump and I want to be very specific, the called for his International Emergency Economic Powers act ipa, that's what he used is saying hey, it's a national security problem. The trade deficit is I think $30 trillion. Now Wall street dismisses that as an accounting convention. It's not an accounting convention. This is how the country got gutted. And remember, there are twin pincer forces on President Trump's plan. One was the big beautiful bill, which was the last chance, as Scott Bessen said over and over again on the show for years when he was a contributor, that he needed a supply side tax cut that incentivize the return of incentivize capital to invest in the United States manufacturing capabilities. They gave all these very aggressive write offs essentially tax shields to allow people to have more cash flow if they made bigger capital investments to drive manufacturing side. The other part of that, it's a two part program is you have these tariffs and the tariffs give you the ability as a forcing function. The forcing function is to have foreign countries that have been ripping us off and Wall street that's been in back of that rip off to tell me you have two choices. You either build the manufacturing plants over here. Right. And where we can build the ecosystems of manufacturing like we used to had in all these small towns and communities in the outer areas of these big cities can once again thrive because you don't have a service account, you actually have manufacturing. So you force with the tariffs and if they're not forced, you just have to pay the tariff. We had John Gardner on last night following up on the President's speech. The President's speech last night was virtually about this topic about tariffs and about the economic logic of tariffs. That's the American system. Gardner explained it from the very beginning. In fact, Alexander Hamilton put out a document very early on. I think it was right before, right when he became Secretary of Treasury, our first Secretary of Treasury. It was called the Report on Manufacturers. I say that that is just one level down from the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution as an inspired document back in what, 1792 or 1793. He goes through the logic of how you would Build the United States, which was basically an agricultural country. It was still a vast wilderness. We were just hanging on to the colonies. After the war we had the colonies on the Atlantic coast, but we were blocked by the peace treaty from really going over the Appalachian, getting into the Ohio Valley. That all got worked out over time. Given the grit and cussedness of the American citizens, the American colonies. You're not going to stop us. We're going to go. But the key about how you build a manufacturing superpower was laid out in that document called the American system and throughout American history, particularly in the 19th century. This is why, if you want to understand this, this is what we laid down as the predicate in the end of the dollar empire to talk about currency and to talk about trade, talk about tariffs. Alexander Hamilton and people like Henry Clay and Abraham Lincoln had a very, very, very specific idea about this. It's one of the reasons the underlying tensions, obviously chattel slavery was the key, but this whole issue about terrorism protectionism also was another huge issue that for years and years and years set the Union itself at each other's throat. Remember the nullification as we've talked about many times, the nullification project of I think 1832 of John C. Calhoun and the folks in South Carolina, kind of a precursor of the succession movement back later in the 1850s that led to the Civil War. Guess what? What was it about folks? Oh, it was about tariffs and protectionism. So this is a stunning blow. We're gonna get some folks on here to talk about this. Six three decision. Gorsuch and Roberts side with the Democrats and Kavanaugh sided with alito and Thomas. 6:3 Decision to strike down the President's ability. And I want to read from this. It's 170 page document and this is why it's taken so long. Has the details of this saying, look, he doesn't really have those. He has emergency powers to stop certain things, but he certainly doesn't have the emergency powers to impose tariffs. I think this is the way it reads and I'll read it to you right now. Ipa, that's the International Emergency Economic Powers act the court holds does not authorize the President to impose tariffs duties on imports under emergency powers. The decision invalidated the government's claim that DAEPA gives the executive broad tariff authority. That that authority still rests in Congress and has to be negotiated by the President has to be passed. Let me connect it to the first piece of Rich Santelli. What we were going to have is Peter Navarro is going to Join us from the White House to talk about the fourth quarter numbers in gdp. We told you President Trump has been pretty obsessed recently with government shutdowns. He realizes that the Democrats have a tool, they have leverage. And it showed up in the numbers today. The fourth quarter growth. After having explosive growth in the second and third quarters. The fourth quarter growth, I think was 1.4%. He said, hey, it's cut at least 2% off because of the government shutdown. Now some people argue, hey, it's going to roll into the first and second quarter. But he's absolutely correct that the Democrats realize one of the ways to thwart the MAGA movement and President Trump is to have these government shutdowns. Hence the reason we're kind of in a mini shutdown right now. That's just about one department. But the Democrats are going to take this right now and say, particularly with this ruling on terrorists, because all the Democrats say that they're populists, although the Democrats say that they're working, that they're out to work for working class people. Nothing could be farther from the fact they are absolute globalists and are beholden, beholden to their paymasters, which are the oligarchs. So Peter was gonna come on today and walk through why it was at least 2%. President Trump put it on true social and we were gonna delve down on that. But now a double blow. And I've just heard that the, you know, this whole thing about refunds or what do you do. Cuz President Trump's cut deals with everybody. The only major deal we have not struck, I believe is with the Chinese Communist Party. And President Trump is gonna make a state visit there to figure that out. But with the eu, with India, with Japan, with South Korea, he has made these already made these deals. He's made deals also in progress with Canada. Yesterday we had Gardner. I think the target this year is $900 billion. Besides the trillions of dollars that people have committed to invest here in manufacturing. The trade deficit right now, the tariffs are going to add, I think the projection is $900 billion to the Treasury. If you take Scott's growth and if you take the cuts in the margin and they are marginal cuts from Russ Vogt and the team, this is the way you get the deficit down to, I don't know, $500 billion. Definitely under 2 trillion, maybe closer to a trillion, but who knows? A big part of that's coming from the tariffs. Technically what they're saying is President Trump declaring that the trade deficit is essentially a national security issue. And that authorizes him in that situation to go and to have Liberation Day and to actually work out these, actually work out these tariffs. A historic day. The Supreme Court, and I think, as we've said the entire time through here, is that, you know, the Supreme Court, I think this is the 25th or 26th decision, by and large, have backed President Trump on many of his issues, like the Alien Sedition act, many more. The first rung of the federal courts, the federal courts have been obviously obstructionists. The appeal courts, some have, some not. But I think the supreme court on like 22 out of 26, but this was a big one. And how this gets worked out and how the markets react to this, we're going to cover. Okay, we're going to take a short commercial break. We are going to go to Georgia because that's where the, that's, as Nicole Wallace said, a battlefield on the 2026 election. Because it's talking about 2020 and what's been done since then. I don't think they're getting straight answers. So the Georgia Election Board is going to be represented here. We're going to talk about that and the potential takeover of Fulton county now more than ever. If you haven't been, if you haven't been convinced today, if you haven't been convinced up today, maybe you'll be convinced today. For five years we've been working with Birch Gold when gold was, I don't know, 1,000 bucks or $1,100 to talk about the process of why gold has been a hedge. Physical gold has been a hedge. And now it's kind of segued back to a financial asset class like it was in the 19th century. We are very proud of this work. If you go to Birch Gold, take your phone out and text Bannon B A N n Owen at 989-898- you can get access to the ultimate guide for investing in gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Trump. You also get access to Philip Patri and the team. And with a qualifying purchase, you get a free copy of the Patriots edition of the End of the Dollar Empire. 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Sally Grubbs
He already investigated these same Fulton county claims in 2024 and found no fraud, no malfeasance, nothing. But now there are new members. So we're doing it again and again.
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Commercial Announcer
That is not oversight.
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Sally Grubbs
That is a vendetta and this board is still leaving the door open to
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Steve K. Bannon
take over Fulton county elections.
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Nicole Wallace
No fraud. There was none. Hi again, Everybody. It's now five o'clock in New York. The tighter the Trump administration flexes.
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Steve K. Bannon
Nicole Wallace started yesterday after the two day event. Bringing in Sally Grubbs now. Sally, is this a vendetta? Is what you're doing? You're on the Georgia State Election Board. Is this a vendetta? Is that what we're talking about? Is this. You're trying to get vengeance for something, ma'?
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Sally Grubbs
Am? Steve? No, what we want are free, fair, auditable elections. We want to know that our elections are accurate. And the young lady that you saw in that video appeared yesterday during public comment. And I need to bring your attention back to something that you told me. She apparently had big issues with the fact that I'm on your show and that I have a Trump Vance sign behind me. And that's a big issue. And I don't know if you remember, but in 2021, I was on a simulcast with you and Real America's Voice and I'd had a not great interview with ProPublica and so I said, steve, do we, do we even talk to the left? Do we engage in these conversations? And your advice to me at the time was always engage, always do the shows, always do the interviews. And I've done that over the last five years. I've engaged and I've been on all the shows, you know, been with New York Times and Washington Post and all of them. And so I don't discriminate when it comes to getting out there. But the mere fact that I'm on your show triggers these people and it triggers them in a big way. And so what I have to say to that young lady, if she is upset over the potential of taking over Fulton county, she need look no further than Brad Raffensperger, who fought for that in advocating in legislation that the at the time he was the chair of the state election board and he's the one that made sure that provision was in there. Of course, I don't think he envisioned that he was ever going to be removed as the the chair of the state election board. That's not our fault. They need to knock on the door of Brad Raffensperger and ask him. It's in the law. It is a provision and it could be a potential for any county given what is provided according to law. That's not our fault. They need to talk to Raffensperger about that.
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Steve K. Bannon
Well, it seems like the Georgia Election Board is going to talk to Raethenberger. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's two things. It's a vendetta and you've got these crazy MAGA people that want to just take over the Fulton county board and turn it into a trump machine. Nothing could be further from the fact, because I was actually amazed because we streamed it for two days. I was in and out. Of course, we covered a ton of it live. About the patience you folks had. I think, correct me if I'm wrong, you've come to the conclusion as a Georgia Election Board to move forward. And the first thing you're moving forward with, you're subpoenaing, going to subpoena Rathensperger to come and address these issues at Fulton County. Correct. And the issues are voluminous. The woman there says there's nothing found. There's nothing to see here. We do it over and over again every time we get new board members like you and Dr. Jan and Emily. So it's, it's. But you guys, really, I was impressed that you didn't say Rathensburger has to be here tomorrow. You didn't say, we're taking over Fulton county on Saturday. You're moving at, you're moving on this in a pretty judicious pace, are you not?
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Sally Grubbs
Yes, Dave, we are. I mean, we're looking at the facts. And when you have people from the elections division in Fulton county that say either they're following the instructions of the secretary of state state or they're not given the tools to do what they need to do when it comes to the voter rolls. And Jason Frazier was there. He, he's going to be able to speak to that. And I ask, you know, do you have data analysts who are checking on this? Does the secretary of state have data analysts? And we can't get any answers. We can't get anyone from the secretary of state's office to appear and to answer these questions, one has to ask, okay, we know that there were issues with Fulton county, but by the same token, has Fulton county been treated fairly by the secretary of state's office? Have, has the secretary of state been held accountable for their role in the voter rolls, for example? We need to hear from the secretary of state and hear his explanation as well.
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Steve K. Bannon
Here's what I think confuses people, is that Roethensburg has been out. Remember, he came on as Cleta Mitchell reminds us, that when we went off broadcasting, I think at 2 or 3 in the morning of the 4th, because they shut down. They shut down county in Fulton County. They shut it down in Maricopa. Everybody went to fold. Pencils down. We're going to come back at six o' clock in the morning. Well, that wasn't the case. Rathensperger goes on the Today show and says there's been record voting. I think it's three and a half, four million votes. Trump's up by 210,000 votes. There's only 190. So mathematically, Trump can't lose. And of course, they kept adding and adding and adding with all these discrepancies. If Rathensberger just came before the Georgia Election Commission and answered your question and laid it out, you guys would say, fine, and we make some changes. Maybe we got to go back, maybe some issues with 2020. But I think people are kind of shocked. How can a Secretary of State blow off the elections board? I mean, isn't there some sort of oversight or fiduciary responsibility that you guys have over him or an association with him and that he's got to answer? He just can't hide? I mean, people are shocked that you had to subpoena this guy and set up another meeting for next month.
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Sally Grubbs
You know, Steve, it has changed a lot since 2020. If you remember, there was the consent decree that happened with the Secretary of State's office there. If you look at, if you zoom out and you look at the 50,000 foot view, you can see how so many of these things that happened were designed to cause confusion. They, you know, they're all innocent of, you know, we were just trying to accommodate because of COVID and things of that nature. But really and truly, yes, the state election board is there to provide oversight, to investigate. And people keep saying, oh, this has all been investigated and all this kind of stuff. We still have I don't know how many cases from 2020 that were never heard. They were rat holed. We had the situation with the Monclerossi complaint, the testimony, the grand jury testimony of now Ambassador David Perdue. And it is stunning that people are still in this mindset that everything was investigated when it was not. We did over 70 cases day before yesterday on the board of hearing cases all the way from 2020 all the way forward to the most recent election. And I was talking with someone yesterday who is running for office and said, you know, well, I'm a windshield kind of guy, not a rear view kind of guy. We just need to move on. And it really frustrates me when people say that because how can we Move on. When those same bad processes, the same bad data, the same characteristics that led to the 2020 debacle, that still exists, not all of that has been cleaned up, and those cases have not been heard, and it's not fair to the citizens of Georgia. And I sent a clip in of Representative Sarah Draper, and she pretty much says that if you, you know, Fulton county can determine the elections for the entire state of Georgia. This is critical mass when it comes to Fulton County. This has got to be fixed. There's got to be accountability. Whether it's on behalf of Fulton county, whether it's in the Secretary of State's. This cannot be allowed to continue.
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Steve K. Bannon
Steve, hang on for one second, man. I want to bring Jason Frazier in, because, Jason, you were there for the first day, and you had a woman that was representing, I guess, Fulton county, and you got this kind of corporate gobbledygook. Well, we're merging databases, and all this happened because of databases. And then you stood up with that amazingly profound, hey, I'm just a citizen. And I went to the Secretary of State site. I'm dealing with public information, and everything you're saying is incorrect. And as you start giving this data, improving that she has no idea what she talked about, she bleeds out, well, hey, I just got retained on Monday. This shows you, but it shows everything. It's so many people in the audience, in the war room, engine room, blowing my phone up, saying, that's the buried lead. They brought somebody up just to spin it to make sure that the board felt, oh, it was so technical. They just spun it. It just all happened when we merged databases. And then you hammered her with facts, and she said, well, I'm just retained on Monday because she had not a leg to stand on. This is what I think people find shocking. You go up as just a citizen, you're just John Q. Public, you find this, and you put a lie to everything Fulton county saying, sir. Yeah.
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Jason Frazier
I mean, it was so obvious when she came up there, she had nothing. All she could do was the spend zone. That's what Fulton County's used to getting away with. I mean, they just say some. Some gobbledygook as. As you mentioned. And. And they're. They've used. They used to get away with this. When the board was majority. We'll say Democrat or establishment, they would get away with it. But today, we've got three great people on there that just want the truth. They just want fair elections. And so they were able to let me just show the facts. I Mean, the facts are I get data directly from the Secretary of State's office, and it shows double voting. So, I mean, don't blame me if your data is wrong. But if your data is wrong, then how did you ever certify an election with wrong data? And don't be mad at us for thinking that there are problems with the election when all the data we can get is wrong. And one other thing I want to mention, Steve, is these left wingers that keep complaining about the state board possibly taking over Fulton County. Well, let me just tell you, those are the ones that are proud that the board of elections in Fulton county has already been taken over. I should be on that board. I was nominated in 2023. They blocked me for the first time in Fulton county history from sitting on that board. And then in 2025, I was blocked again. There are supposed to be five people on that board. There are only four today. As far as I'm concerned, that is a takeover of the board because they are blocking the ability for equal representation by both Republicans and Democrats.
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Steve K. Bannon
Hang on.
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Jason Frazier
So they have no leg to stand on.
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Steve K. Bannon
Yeah. Let me give you. Okay, These are called tells. A tell is they got Abby Lowell and Norm Ison down in a Georgia court next week, right. In Georgia, arguing two of the heaviest guns they've got to get their hands on those ballots and to get their hands on the tabulators. That's a tell. The other tell is correct me if I'm wrong keeping you off the Fulton county board. I think on in black letter at all, at least technically, is. Is a fine of $10,000 a day. I realize it hasn't been sorted out, but isn't. Aren't they arguing about it could be a $10,000 a day? So Fulton county, which doesn't have a great set of financials anyway, is prepared to actually potentially have a fine of 10,000 bucks a day to keep you off that board.
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Jason Frazier
Sir, I think it's cheaper to keep me off the board than it is to fix the system. Let's be honest. $10,000 a day is a drop in the bucket. All they have to do is raise my taxes to pay it. It's not their money. They don't care.
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Steve K. Bannon
Well, they also know once you're on there, the cheating. Look, it's obvious that they cheated. They stole the 2020 election. In fact, let me. Sally, we got a minute. I'm holding through the break. Where do we go from here? I think you vote. You're going to subpoena. You're going to subpoena Raffensperger. I think you're giving him a month. So take a minute before we go to break. Where do we go from here on the Georgia State Election Board in the situation with Fulton County?
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Sally Grubbs
You know, Steve, we keep plugging away right now the documents are in the possession of the Department of Justice. So there's a lot that we can't look at at this point in time. But as soon as there's some movement in that case, I would imagine that we're going to proceed with our own investigation. Again. You know, there was all this hype about the takeover yesterday, and we had Commissioner Rob Pitt sitting in the audience yesterday along with Sherry Allen from Fulton County. And, you know, the narrative that's being created in the media is just over the top. We are all good people just wanting to see all citizens in Fulton county to have confidence in their elections. So we just got to keep plugging away. Steve, we need to get the secretary in. We also need documents, documentation from his office. And we also, you know, need to have people accountable. You know, everybody wants us to be accountable for even coming on your show, but yet they don't want to be accountable for the things that by law they need to provide. And one point quickly to Jason, is a lot of the data that they were talking about was before the integration of these two systems with all this incorrect data. So there's a lot still that needs to be looked at.
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Steve K. Bannon
Hang on a second. I'm gonna hold both you through the break, Harry. Harry's been doing data analytics, analytics. And Joe Hoft will join us as we discuss Georgia in elections in 2020. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, top of the hour. We've got maha. Some issues in MAHA about Roundup. We also got Max Tegmark is scheduled. We're trying to get him on about major develops artificial intelligence. We've got to get our hands around a bombshell decision by the Supreme Court of the United States moments ago. Chief Justice Roberts writing the opinion basically said that President Trump's emergency measures that he considered a national security measure because I don't know that the trade deficit in our country is $30 trillion thereabouts. 25, $30 trillion. Nobody's addressed it, only President Trump. And they blow it off as an accounting convention. It's not an accounting convention. He went to Northwest Georgia yesterday and gave a really, I thought, a terrific speech and a focus on economics, but it particularly focused on economics around, wait for it, tariffs. So we're going to break it all down and let you know what's going on. But a monumental decision. Six, three, Gorsuch with the Gorsuch, the libertarian with libertarian tendencies. Let's say this with justice, but this is Roberts decision. It's not six, three. This was a five, four. And Gorsuch joined for air cover. Sally Grubbs, the msnbc, cnn, New York Times, Washington Post, all of it, every day is unloading on what Janelle King, Dr. Jan and yourself. These new members of the Georgia election board as a bunch of Trump fanatics that are focused on two things, revenge, retribution, a vendetta, and also the seizing of Fulton county, the innocent folks in Fulton county that do everything appropriately and they're belt and suspenders and dot all their I's. You're trying to seize it to basically ensure the 2026 midterms turns out for President Trump. Your response, ma'? Am.
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Sally Grubbs
You know, Steve, there is nothing further from the truth when it comes to a vendetta. What this is about is all the citizens in the state of Georgia. And as I mentioned before, when you have Representative Sarah Draper basically claiming that Fulton county can run elections for the entire state, that is not fair to the citizens in the rest of the state. It's disenfranchising voters. It is dilution of the votes for other voters across the state of Georgia. This is about, you know, making sure that people are accountable. I don't care who's on the ballot. This is a nonpartisan issue. And I say that all the time. And if anyone would bother to watch the entire election board meeting that we had day before yesterday and yesterday, they would see the fact that we treat everyone fairly. We look at all the evidence. We spend a tremendous amount of time delving into all of these cases and the evidence, and it is not about a vendetta. Yes, I supported President Trump. Yes, I'm a Republican. But I also am for fair voting for everyone, every legal citizen. And by the way, Steve, let me mention that we are also discovering there are illegal citizens who are or people who are here on a permanent resident card that are not citizens of the United States that are voting in our elections. And that's one thing that Jason has uncovered as well. We have plenty of different organizations that submit state election board complaints and we dive into it and we find that, no, in fact, these people are not citizens of the United States. They are voting in our elections. And that happens all across the state. That needs to stop. That is not a partisan issue, Steve. This is not a Vendetta.
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Steve K. Bannon
In fact, 80% of the people, I think support voter IDs. I gave you a recommendation, what, four, five, six years ago about making sure that you took every interview, went on every podcast, talked to. If it's NPR or the New York Times or ProPublica, you talk to them. And the reason is, is that your basic decency and common sense comes through every time. And this is the greatest strength we have. That's the strength of maga. MAGA is the working class and middle class in this country that love their country and are fair people and honest people, but they're tough people, and you're not going to back down. And so, Sally, you've just done an extraordinary job. I want to thank you so much for the. And this effort in Georgia is just starting to begin to be tough. So, Sally Grubbs, thank you so much. Appreciate you.
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Sally Grubbs
Thank you, Steve.
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Steve K. Bannon
Thank you. Ma', am. Can I get Harry Howery? And I want to tell my guys my clock went down, so we may have to update that. Harry, Harry, what have you found in your data analysis?
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Harry Howery
So we. We continue to look at states all over the country, but Georgia has been a focal point, obviously, for everyone since 2020, and the strangeness there. So we look. We look at things that are just anomalies quite often, but we also look deeply to try to find situations where the illegality of what they're doing is plainly obvious and provable by the statistics. So I want to focus on just one of those problems. So in early voting in Fulton county, they capture, you know, images essentially of the ballots, and then those are tabulated and so on. So there's about 148,000 ballots that were counted at that time. Out of the 148,000 ballots that were counted, 132,000 approximately of those ballots did not have the required. Required under Georgia law. Shaw values. It's a type of digital signature that proves that the images were valid. They're all missing. So out of 148,000 plus ballots, we're missing 130, 32,000 Shaw files. Now, a lot of people say, well, this could have just been a mechanical error or something like this. This is where the criminality comes in. The fact is they had all the ballots there. They know that the system is not capturing the Shaw files because it's not capturing the Shaw files. I mean, the system is capturing some Shaw files. And so.
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Steve K. Bannon
So the.
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Harry Howery
What they make is a decision, though, at the time that this era.
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Steve K. Bannon
Harry, Harry, Harry, Harry. Hang on one second. Hang on one second. I'm going to hold you through the break. Got Joe Hoft, Jason Frazier, Harry. Harry, we're talking about Georgia, the Peach State Vendetta are just citizens trying to get to the bottom of one of the biggest cross crimes, if not the biggest crime in American history, the stealing of the 2020 election. We're going to leave you with Natasha Owens, her response to Bruce Springsteen. We're going to take a short commercial break and we're going to return in a moment in the war room. Where is your song for the hurting man?
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Sally Grubbs
I was born in the USA And
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Steve K. Bannon
I used to be a loyal family. You preach from your mansion and you lost that human touch.
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Harry Howery
I thank God you're not.
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Steve K. Bannon
I thank God you're not. You know, we still need help from the boss. We need help from the Boss.
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Sally Grubbs
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