THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON EPISODE #4882

Summary

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The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon Episode #4882

Podcast: Real America’s Voice (iHeartPodcasts)
Date: October 27, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The War Room provides a deep dive into the current state of U.S. politics and law enforcement under President Trump’s second term. Host Stephen K. Bannon and guests discuss the administration’s assertive approach to domestic policy, legal battles involving special counsel Jack Smith, the challenges faced by ICE in enforcing immigration laws amid activist resistance, and the politicization of state-level law enforcement. The show features on-the-ground reporting, legal analysis, and heated commentary, focused on the themes of law, order, and the fight against what the hosts describe as progressive sabotage of Trump’s agenda.

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Major Topics and Key Insights

1. Jack Smith, Trump Investigations, and Legal Maneuvering

• Jack Smith’s Role and Public Testimony (00:34–04:29, 38:20–44:24):

  • Discussion of revelations from ABC’s Jonathan Karl and reporting on Jack Smith’s use of Mike Pence’s handwritten notes from January 6th.
  • Ed Luce (from the Financial Times) interviewed multiple insiders who describe Trump’s second term as much more aggressive, with “fear, control, and retribution” dominating the administration’s style.
  • Bannon warns that having Jack Smith testify publicly could backfire for Republicans because Smith is “a forceful and articulate narrator” and has evidence that rebuts the “weaponized DOJ” narrative.
  • Smith’s actions, timelines, and motivations are dissected, particularly his aggressive pursuit of Trump and the controversy over venue-shopping for favorable legal rulings.
  • Julie Kelly, Bannon’s guest, adds background on Smith’s career and his controversial prosecutorial decisions, referencing his “terrible track record” and tactics questioned by various court rulings.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “Jack Smith is living refutation of that. They produce no evidence to support those allegations.” — Steve Bannon (03:29)

• Special Prosecutor Debate (46:08–49:20):

  • Bannon and Julie Kelly debate whether appointing a new special prosecutor under Trump to pursue alleged abuses of the DOJ is wise.
  • Kelly argues it could be a mistake, citing problems seen in previous special counsel appointments and legal challenges (e.g., Judge Cannon’s ruling against Smith’s appointment in Florida).

2. Enforcement Challenges: ICE Operations & Local Resistance

• Field Reporting from Houston with Ben Berkwam & Brett Bradford (08:39–22:52):

  • Segment features a real ICE raid in Houston, with details of tracking and arresting a repeat offender who had re-entered the country illegally.
  • ICE’s strategy is to conduct “quick hits” to avoid giving activists time to mobilize resistance.
  • Discussion of “rapid response networks”—leftist/NGO activists who mobilize communities to obstruct ICE operations.
  • Brett Bradford, ICE field office director, emphasizes their mission: enforcing existing laws, removing dangerous criminals, and the ongoing challenges of misinformation and morale.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “We didn’t write the laws. Our job is just to enforce the laws. They write the laws. If they don’t like the laws, they need to change the laws.” — Brett Bradford (18:24)

• Community and Political Resistance (23:09–28:06):

  • Audio and video clips reveal activists and Democratic officials plotting strategies to block ICE (e.g., refusing to cooperate, restricting police use of masks, limiting chemical agents).
  • Carlos/Kyle Olson explains the growing partisan divide and how these adversarial local tactics directly impact ICE’s ability to function.
  • Bannon points out that Democrat attorneys general use lawsuits as tools to stymie Trump policies.

3. Trucking Industry, Immigration, & State-Federal Showdown

• Commercial Driver’s Licenses & Safety Issues (30:29–37:40):
  • Steve Cortez reports from the National Trucking Convention in San Diego.
  • Accusations leveled at California Governor Gavin Newsom for issuing CDLs to undocumented immigrants, allegedly endangering public safety and depressing wages.
  • Proposal to federalize CDL issuance if states continue noncompliance.
  • Cortez frames the issue as emblematic of a broader “globalist” attack on American workers and safety.
  • Memorable Quote:

    “Gavin Newsom cares more about illegals getting commercial driver's licenses than he does the citizens of his own state and the safety of Americans. It's shameful.” — Steve Cortez (30:30)

4. Pipe Bomb Case & Justice Department Scrutiny

• J6 Pipe Bomb Investigation (49:47–52:29):
  • Julie Kelly discusses contradictions and timeline anomalies in official accounts of the January 6th RNC pipe bomb, alleging misleading FBI statements and problematic witness credibility.
  • She references a key witness (Carlin Younger) whose statements and behavior don’t align with video and official timelines.
  • Discussion links broader skepticism of the DOJ’s handling of cases—echoing the episode’s theme of weaponized law enforcement.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Tone of Trump’s Second Term:

  • “There are no adults in his administration.”—Ed Luce, relayed by Bannon (04:20)

• On ICE Morale Amid Activism:

  • “We've got to show them that we appreciate what they do. Like I said, there's a lot of crimes that are prevented because of the work that these brave men and women do every single day.” — Brett Bradford (20:15)
  • “We're up against America. It's not just the illegals... it's the communities that are aiding and abetting, protecting them.” — Steve Bannon (10:20)

• On Blue-State Resistance:

  • “These Democrat attorneys general are fighting every step of the way.” — Steve Bannon (26:34)

• On Federalizing CDLs:

  • “If these states don't get in line quickly, we're going to have to federalize commercial driver's licenses.” — Steve Cortez (34:53)

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Timeline of Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:34 | Discussion begins on Jack Smith, Pence notes, and new legal revelations | | 04:29 | Kelly and Bannon speculate on possible indictments, DOJ weaponization | | 08:39 | Field report: ICE raid in Houston with Ben Berkwam, Brett Bradford | | 12:55 | Brett Bradford explains ICE’s quick-hit strategy, activist resistance | | 18:24 | Bradford on ICE morale, numbers of arrests, challenges from Congress | | 23:09 | Discussion of Virginia Democrat resistance plan, local/state policies | | 30:29 | Steve Cortez interviews from National Trucking Convention, CA licensing issue | | 38:20 | Julie Kelly on Jack Smith’s prosecutorial conduct and strategy | | 46:08 | Bannon and Kelly debate the wisdom of appointing a special prosecutor | | 49:47 | Pipe bomb case: inconsistencies, witness timeline analysis by Julie Kelly |

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Guest & Host Attributions

• Stephen K. Bannon: Host, provides commentary and interviews, frames the episode as a battle against leftist subversion and legal misconduct.
• Julie Kelly: Legal analyst, guest, offers insight into the Smith investigations and the pipe bomb case, challenges mainstream narratives on DOJ actions.
• Ben Berkwam: On-the-ground reporter, details ICE operations in Houston, voices concerns over activist resistance.
• Brett Bradford: ICE field office director (Houston), discusses law enforcement’s challenges, morale, and the need for public support.
• Steve Cortez: Reports from the National Trucking Convention, criticizes blue-state policies on commercial driver licensing.
• Kyle Olson: Co-host, provides analysis, especially on political ramifications in states like Virginia and Michigan.

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Closing Thoughts

The episode blends real-time field reporting, legal and political analysis, and sharp partisan rhetoric. The hosts and guests frame the Trump administration’s second term as a period of aggressive restoration of law and order, while painting opposition as dangerously subversive. The legal battles over the prosecution and investigation of Trump are dissected for strategic and ideological implications, with a consistent through-line of skepticism toward the DOJ and blue-state officials.

For listeners, this episode serves as an unfiltered view into narratives dominating conservative media circles—particularly relating to immigration enforcement and opposition to establishment legal institutions.

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Transcript

[Julie Kelly]

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[Steve Bannon]

Let him testify publicly.

[Julie Kelly]

It's a question with added weight amid.

[Steve Bannon]

Revelations in a new book by journalist Jonathan Karl. The ABC correspondent says Smith had access to handwritten notes from former Vice President.

[Julie Kelly]

Mike Pence scribbled down on January 6.

[Steve Bannon]

And Smith was prepared to use those notes to prosecute the president.

[Julie Kelly]

We should add, if SMBC has not seen those notes or confirmed their contents.

[Steve Bannon]

With everything the president has imposed on the federal government since he got back into office his first term now looks like a model of restraint, as in looks a whole lot tamer back then. The president himself sees it, too.

[Julie Kelly]

Quote, everyone is on my side now, he says. They were fighting against me last time.

[Steve Bannon]

One of my next guests argues the president is now on his way to.

[Julie Kelly]

Creating a new world order during this second term.

[Steve Bannon]

Financial Times Ed Loose says he interviewed.

[Julie Kelly]

Dozens of lawmakers, CEOs, military leaders, lawyers.

[Steve Bannon]

Diplomats and Trump insiders, all of whom described an administration operating on fear, control and retribution. Jack Smith has been talking lately and he has been revealing interesting tidbits. And I think the Republicans bring Jack Smith to testify publicly at their peril because he's a forceful and articulate narrator of what happened with criminal investigations into the now sitting president. And here's the thing. You know, the Republicans have been saying over and over again that Jack Smith weaponized, he was, he participated in the weaponization of the Biden Justice Department, that essentially this was all a plot by Democrats to target Donald Trump based on bogus allegations. Jack Smith is living refutation of that. They produce no evidence to support those allegations. And when Jack Smith comes up and talks, they're still not going to have that evidence. And he's got a lot of evidence to the contrary. Actually, many careful steps that were taken that show actually that this investigation didn't move as quickly as it could have and didn't take some steps that it could have that would have made it perhaps more successful. And so it's going to be a really interesting moment if he does testify publicly. So I wouldn't. I go light on the new World Order. I would. I think that was characterized, the piece being characterized, rather than by our headline writers, rather than what I was writing about, which is Trump's domestic supremacy. Now he can blow hot and cold to the rest of the world, vaporizing, you know, boats in the Caribbean one moment and saying. Arranging a Gaza ceasefire and saying he deserves a Nobel Prize the next. But at home, it has been pretty much all in one direction, and that direction has been towards challenging the rule of law, in some cases, just blatantly ignoring court orders and rearranging the senior military brass, firing people who stand in his way, and indeed casting a chill over law firms, corporations, employers, to try and intimidate them from standing up to him. So I think this is the really massive difference from his first term. And I think that the speed with which this has happened and this piece was looking at Trump's first year, dating from November 5, his election victory, not from his inauguration in January 20. I think the speed with which he's moved forward on his agenda and the punch drunkenness of a lot of American civil society, not everybody. Some people are standing up. There are some. A couple of small law firms that represent, you know, people who are suing the Trump administration. But basically, there's been pretty much people keeping their heads down. And I think that's a very striking difference between Trump 1.0 and Trump 2.0. There are no adults in his administration.

[Julie Kelly]

Do you think he will ultimately be indicted or at least charged with a.

[Steve Bannon]

Crime, at least an effort to be indicted? And what is to stop this administration.

[Julie Kelly]

From weaponizing the doj?

[Steve Bannon]

There's not much to stop it. First of all, I do see him trying to do that. I think Jim Jordan and somebody in the White House, maybe Donald Trump, have come up with this plot to get him behind closed doors, get some snippets of testimony, do the same thing they did with Letitia James, taking information out of context and statements out of context out of her mortgage rider, the same thing they did with Jim Comey and making it into some kind of a substantive, look, at least appearing substantive indictment. To just charge him with having brought two prosecutions against Donald Trump just doesn't kind of ring right in terms of a criminal prosecution. But a perjury prosecution is a little bit more technical, and it distracts the public and it distracts the press. They haven't even, you know, properly reported on the details of both of those prosecutions to show that they're just totally unfounded, totally bogus, because they've taken information selectively out of certain documents. And the only real kind of potential that we have here is one if one of the judges in one of these cases felt that they had to do this, they could actually appoint a private attorney as a special counsel to investigate the matter. So a judge could go do that. It wouldn't have to come from the doj. Like we've seen appointing special counsel. There's a Supreme Court case right on point where in terms of contempt of court, which this would be using court processes to go after your political enemies to seek retribution. That is not valid. That is contempt of court. And it would permit the judge to actually appoint a special attorney to look at that. And if he determined there was evidence, he could go ahead and prosecute that case right in front of that judge. They don't have to give it to the Department of Justice.

[Kyle Olson]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. Reasons I got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but.

[Steve Bannon]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Kyle Olson]

It's going to happen.

[Steve Bannon]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA MEDIA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Kyle Olson]

Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.

[Steve Bannon]

War room here's your host, Stephen k. Band.

[Kyle Olson]

Monday, the 27th of October, in the year of our Lord 2025. Of course, the President's on a triumphant tour of East Asia. Now he's in, he's in Japan getting ready to march Japan and he's going to. South Korea is going to have, at least right now, a, a meeting with Xi if everything kind of get worked out. There's all kind of accusations going around. Trump's not a, not a hawk, that the hawks are not ascended here. All kind of nonsense. We're going to break down all of that later in the show. I want to get to. We gotta get to some very important signal up front because you see in Washington, D.C. all they're doing is defending Big Tish James, defending Jack Smith. They're trying to get off the prosecutions of the deep state and the administrative state that weaponized the legal system to come to President Trump. And his followers, and they're being very effective. This is why I had Tom Fitton on the show. We need a special prosecutor. That special prosecutor needs report to the. Needs report to directly into the White house. But we have Ben Berkwam with us. I got a clip from Ben Berkwom. Let's play that. And then we're going to go to Ben Berkwom down in Texas.

[Steve Bannon]

He's an illegal entrant. We got a criminal arrest warrant that we're gonna go in on to get him for illegal re entry. He's already been deported once. They were attempting to make an arrest of him at a different location. He fled to here and then got inside the house and barricaded himself. And so he fled in the vehicle?

[Julie Kelly]

Yeah, first in the vehicle and then.

[Steve Bannon]

On foot into the house. Copy. No, no, that's. I think I told you that you. At that point, we went. Got the criminal arrest warrant, Connected with local law enforcement to make sure we can secure the scene. Obviously can see there's a lot of folks here that are trying to.

[Julie Kelly]

They are upset.

[Steve Bannon]

And so we want to make sure everybody's safe. The public, the officers, and the individual that's barricutting himself inside the house. And right now, I'm sure they're making a plan to go in there safely and get him out so that nobody gets hurt.

[Kyle Olson]

I think two of them.

[Steve Bannon]

You want to get them probably over there on this side.

[Kyle Olson]

Yeah.

[Steve Bannon]

Break.

[Julie Kelly]

All right, let's clear. Let's clear.

[Brett Bradford]

Let's clear.

[Steve Bannon]

Holding a baby.

[Kyle Olson]

Holding a baby.

[Steve Bannon]

You're endangering your baby. You're endangering your baby. We're up against America. It's not just the illegals that were let in. It's the communities that are aiding and abetting, Protecting them. Like this right here. Walking out in traffic. Walking out in traffic with her baby. Just pathetic.

[Kyle Olson]

Okay, Ben, what did we just see there? It looks very dangerous or certain of the officers, Both in the initial arrest and. And. And then afterwards with the. With the folks kind of crowding around and getting all worked up by these lefty protesters. What did we just see there?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, sadly, it's what we're seeing across the country, where you have these activist organizations that are training people on how to undermine law enforcement, undermine ice. So in this case, this was an illegal alien that was stopped at a traffic stop. He fled with his vehicle, as you heard from the agent there, the pio, and got to the house, got out. Him and two others went running inside the house and at that point, the ICE officers surrounded the home. They got a criminal warrant and they were actually planning on going into the home. Got word that there were kids in the house. And within minutes, you've got this rapid response network, they call it. It's this network of leftists, communists, all of these organizations across America, the same NGOs that invited the invasion into our country, that profited off it, many of the same organizations that sent people to your communities around the country, are on the phone. They get the neighbors out, they get everybody out. You get these viol chaotic scenes that puts everybody's lives in danger. And ICE has to deal with that. And sadly, this is what we're seeing, not just here in Houston, but everywhere across the country now, this idea that ICE doesn't have a right to go out and catch the bad guys. And by the way, Steve, these guys have no idea who is inside that house, why ICE is there to pick them up, any of the background, what their criminal history is. They have no idea. They're just out there to obstruct ice.

[Kyle Olson]

But they have no idea. They also don't care. If they had an idea, they wouldn't care. We have the. What Regional director is Brett Bradford for ice. Brett, can you just walk us through what is the strategy of ICE right now? Because clearly you guys are outnumbered and you're not going to be able to recruit, you know, tens of thousands of people. So what's the plan?

[Brett Bradford]

I think the biggest plan is not to spend too much time in any particular area. We like to try and hit different areas, get in, get out, before you give the protesters time to organize and the activists time to organize and get into the area. So I think the quick hits are the best way to do that. Right now we're doing a lot of vehicle stops. We're working a lot with our partner law enforcement agencies here. We have a 287 program with a lot of our local PDS and local sheriffs that we're working with so that we can actually use those force multipliers. Because you're right, we're not going to get enough people ourselves to go out there and solve this problem. We've got to work with our partners out here to do it.

[Kyle Olson]

What, what I hear that most of the communities are working with. You guys are supportive of this, but it's where they had these agitators or where they've had these lefty organizations go in, train people for resistance to the, to the ICE efforts. Are you seeing that in Houston?

[Brett Bradford]

Yes, absolutely. You're absolutely right about Houston especially. This is a very friendly environment for the most part. You have pockets and you have the activist groups that have these networks, as Ben mentioned. So once you're in an area, it may be a fairly friendly area, but once, once they find out you're there, they flood in from the other pockets and other areas around the, the Houston area that aren't as friendly and, and converge in that area. That's why you've got to try and get in and get out as quick as possible and, and not give them the time to organize.

[Kyle Olson]

Brett, can you hang on? Brett Bradford is the regional director for ice. Ice. Some of those, some of the bravest people you've ever seen, they're going into oftentimes hostile environments with bad hombres. So really, really, really appreciate the ICE effort. Ben Berkwam is also down and he's going to be on the road reporting live. He's got a lot to report on this situation. We're going to take a short commercial break. Birch Gold is once again bouncing all over the map. Why is that? The good news is President Trump is in Asia. Looks like he's working on an overall deal with the Chinese Communist Party. Of course we're all for declutter decoupling, but as long as they got the knife to our throat on these heavy rare earths, that may not be possible. President Trump trying to work out the best deal possible. That's the good news. Why? Gold is a little tame, but on the other side, the kinetic war in Europe only increases. Orban today blocked taking the Russian people's money and using it to buy weapons to go after them. A lot going on. Birchgold.com the end of the dollar empire. Check it out today. Promo code Bannon Go check it out today. Short break. Back to Houston in a moment.

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[Kyle Olson]

Okay. From Houston, we just saw a ICE enforcement operation earlier today. With Ben Berkwam is Brett Bradford. He's the field office director for ice. So Brett, how do you keep morale up and how do you keep these folks motivated to go in harm's way? When I think it was just Friday on cap on the steps of the U.S. capitol, you had this huge group of Democrats saying that Democrat congressman that, saying that they're launching an app that, that outlines or gets in front of every ICE raid in the country so people can see it real time and so agitators and protesters can get there to work up people. How does that, how does that play with these brave ICE officers who are going in harm's way every day?

[Brett Bradford]

Well, the first thing I would say to that is it really drives me crazy that these members of Congress are calling us names, coming up with these apps, doing all that stuff. And we are enforcing the laws they put on the books. We didn't write the laws. Our job is just to enforce the laws. They write the laws. If they don't like the laws, they need to change the laws. That's the first thing. Morale. It's difficult, but what we have to do. And I go around and meet with my folks all the time is we have to remind them of the good we're doing, and we thoroughly believe that. I'm proud of the work that these folks do every day. You know, last year, and these aren't official numbers, but I think we rested. It was around 18,000 or a little over 18,000 people last year, just the Houston field office, and removed them from the United States. And I believe in that. And again, I'm just going off my recollection. I think it was about 1,500 folks that were actually had convictions for assault or aggravated assault. There were 400. There were sex offenses, many of those against children. That's what we got to step back every now and then and look at all those folks that we not only got off the streets, we got out of the the country. How many children didn't get victimized now because those folks aren't here? How many people didn't get assaulted because those folks aren't here? How many people didn't get killed? That's what we have to remind ourselves of because that's the good we're doing every single day. It's a hard stat. You can't measure it. But I know we're saving a lot of lives and keeping a lot of folks from being victimized, and we have to be proud of that.

[Kyle Olson]

Brett, is Houston. Your field office is Houston, one of the hottest spots for ICE enforcement operations?

[Brett Bradford]

It is, actually. We're typically in any week, we're in the top five as far as the number of arrests go. We see a lot of activity here. We're very active. And again, part of that goes to this being a fairly friendly environment. We get a lot of cooperation from our partner agencies here and the community as a whole.

[Kyle Olson]

Brett, how can you have social media or as a field office, how can this audience have your guys back? How can we help you guys?

[Brett Bradford]

The biggest thing is just countering the misinformation. All these activist groups throw out all kinds of misinformation out there to try and get people on their side. It's not true. And that's why it's important to do these interviews and have people like Ben out here tell our story. We're proud of what we do. We're not ashamed of what we do. And I'm glad to show anybody how we operate here. We're doing great work. We got to counter that narrative. We got to quit trying to demonize the folks here that are keeping our communities safe and enforcing the law. We got to show them that we appreciate what they do. Like I said, there's a lot of crimes that are prevented because of the work that these brave men and women do every single day.

[Kyle Olson]

Ben, you're doing what you do best, going harm's way to report these stories. Where are you going to be in the next couple of days?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, I'm going to be in and around the Texas area covering ICE and working with ice. Can't talk about everything we're going to be doing, but some major operations happening across the country. The numbers continue to increase and that's what we're looking for as President Trump continues this exponential growth of deportations and changing tactics and utilizing different tactics in different areas to and watching these guys as force multipliers, as the director said. So I'm going to continue to cover that all week here and then actually later this week, I'll be at the end of the week, I'll be in Utah speaking at an event, utahspatriots.com, an event out there, just not too far from where Charlie was assassinated. So we'll be doing, paying our respects and I'll be speaking about everything we're seeing out here and all across the country. This move to restore America and save this country.

[Kyle Olson]

Burkhwom social media. Where do people go? Get your content, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

Ealamvoice on all real America's Voice news platforms. Our new episode actually with our first time out here with Houston will be next Saturday. And then my personal social is Ben Berkwum. Our substack is Frontline America and my website's frontlineamerica.com.

[Kyle Olson]

Brett Bradford, make sure you let everybody know in your field office and all the officers out there and troops doing these raids that America greatly appreciates this work and 85% of this country have their back. So just make sure they know that. But people are incredibly proud of these guys going, men and women going in harm's way every day.

[Brett Bradford]

Thank you for that. I appreciate you having me here today and I appreciate the time to, like I said, shed some light on what we do and how we do it. You know, we got to quit emboldening these folks to resist and fight. They're only putting themselves in danger, the community in danger, and simply adding criminal charges to their own case. It just doesn't make any sense.

[Kyle Olson]

Thank you, sir. Very proud of you guys.

[Steve Bannon]

Appreciate you.

[Kyle Olson]

Berquam and Brett Bradford down in Houston at the ice. You see what's going on. I got another cold open that is very hard for me to swallow. When I saw it, it'll make your blood boil. Let's go ahead and play it. And we're going to bring in Kyle Olson to interpret it for us.

[Steve Bannon]

The AG has got to be able to sue them. Otherwise, if we have nyars and he's not willing to do anything, not even willing to argue anything in court, then yeah, nobody challenges the like. That's the whole point of this era.

[Julie Kelly]

Right.

[Steve Bannon]

We're like trying to test presidential power because, like, this is a purplish kind of state. Are you even confident they would too? Because I feel like not a lot of were they Democrat, the Democratic, a trained job. A lot of these Democrats are capitulated. If he were to send in the National Guard, I think they'd sue in a minute. If we had a Democratic trained general. Yeah. And I think from a policy perspective, every, every, every tool that we can explore in terms of state legislation to make it harder and as well and also to change the rules so that, for example, ICE can't show up with masks in a courthouse. Look at legislation like that to make sure that as a matter of Virginia's code, you can't do that. That's a violation. So there'd be a whole list of things that we look at to see if we can strengthen protections. But we need the right people, we need majorities, and we need Democrats.

[Kyle Olson]

Okay. Particularly for the podcast audience that don't watch it on tv. Carlos and joins us. So the audio was a little. Because I was undercover. Tell us what went on. Because we just came off the field director in Houston saying with the biggest problems they have is, you know, other hierarchies, other elected officials, people fighting ICE and really jeopardize it, putting them in harm's way by saying they shouldn't be masked, things like that. What did we just see right there? Carl Olson.

[Steve Bannon]

So that was a delegate from Virginia, Phil Hernandez, and basically he was making the point that we have seen across the country that there are Democrats that are testing presidential powers. And so basically what that means is they are going to, they're going to fight the Trump administration every step of the way. And so you take ice, the Trump administration has various agreements to go into some of these cities, but some of the agreements say they can't use chemical agents. Well, if you have some of these agitators attacking officers, attacking federal agents, et cetera, and they use chemical agents, well then they have violated the agreement and therefore they can kick ICE out of the city. So this is really, it's almost like hand to hand combat in these Various cities. And so you've got ICE just trying to do their job. And the clip that you showed with Ben, it is difficult circumstances. These agents are just trying to do their job and they've got, you know, very nasty people fighting them every step of the way.

[Kyle Olson]

Kyle, I take it this is also, this is during an active campaign. Hernandez is running for reelection. Spanberg, he's talking about this already radical attorney general. They got that's said these horrible things on text messages. But they're essentially planning this already. Right? They're running, but their plan is, hey, here's what we're going to do. So Spanberger and this team, they sit there and say so moderate and we just represent middle America. It sounds like it's anything but because they already have a pretty devious plan of how to basically thwart the ICE operational events already.

[Steve Bannon]

Correct. And that's what's at stake in this election is Democrats badly want the governor's, the governor's seat and the attorney general's office because they can then use those platforms to attack the Trump administration. Because where is a lot of the bureaucracy? It's in Virginia. It's in Washington D.C. it is right there. They want those offices badly because they want to test the presidential powers. And we're seeing this elsewhere in the country where I live. And the Midwestern recovers. Michigan politics. Our, our attorney General, Dana Nestle, she has joined over 30 lawsuits against the Trump administration. So these, these Democrat attorneys general are fighting every step of the way.

[Kyle Olson]

I get it. Before we let you go, is that the implication also is that Spamberger's governor is not going to be volunteering? In fact, she'll be fighting Trump in a call up of National Guard. Right. Is that how I took Hernandez's what he's talking about, that they don't tend to really cooperate with President Trump in trying to bring law and order to some of these blue areas?

[Steve Bannon]

Yeah, I think that's exactly what they want to do. They want to kick out ice. They don't want sheriffs and local law enforcement to work with ice. They want to make it as difficult as possible. And she has basically said she wants to protect illegal aliens in the state of Commonwealth of Virginia and she's going to do whatever it takes in order to make that happen.

[Kyle Olson]

Kyle, your social media, where do people get you?

[Steve Bannon]

You can find me at Kyle Olson 4 Kyle O L S O N4 or also the Midwesterner and you can find our website, TheMidwesterner News.

[Kyle Olson]

Let's go check it out. Right now. Kyle, you're one of the old hands from Breitbart back in the old days, are you not?

[Steve Bannon]

I am. I was there during the pandemic exposing what Gretchen Whitmer was doing in Michigan, which was interesting, Carlos and thank you.

[Kyle Olson]

So interesting. Thank you for interpreting this. Spamberger is not the all American Girl. She tries to present herself. They get a very devious plan in the Commonwealth of Virginia. You saw it right there and you heard from Brett Bradford down in Houston. These people are in harm's way. 24 short Commercial break Return to the Warm in just a moment.

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Kyle Olson]

Scent of gain on his shirt.

[Steve Bannon]

Several hours later, James has even caught the attention of his mother in law and she never gives him attention. Oh, you smell amazing James.

[Julie Kelly]

Oh thanks mom.

[Kyle Olson]

I love you too.

[Brett Bradford]

I never said that.

[Steve Bannon]

At GAIN Scent boosters to your laundry Add joy to your day has thumbed his nose at us. He's refused to comply with the rules that have come from dot, which is stop issuing these licenses number one and number two, go back and review all the licenses that you have issued and make sure it's been done legally. Gavin Newsom has said no. So one I'm about to pull $160 million from California and as we pull more money we also have the option of pulling California's ability to issue commercial driver's licenses. Gavin Newsom cares more about illegals getting commercial driver's licenses than he does the citizens of his own state and the safety of Americans. It's shameful. He's been lying about what he's been doing. And again, we're going to fight tooth and nail under President Trump's administration to make sure that we hold states like California accountable. Jashan Preet Singh just mowed down three Americans on the i10 here in California. An illegal alien behind the wheel of a big rig who never should have been in this country at all, let alone driving a truck. Now, I'm here in San Diego at the National Trucking Convention, and I'm telling you the truth. Only legal American citizens should be driving our trucks, not dangerous foreign nationals who may not know how to drive and don't speak English. But Gavin Newsom here in California, he has other ideas. So to virtue signal against President Trump. Newsom, he'll hand out a cdl, a commercial driver's license, to just about anyone, legal or illegal. It doesn't matter to him. As a result, the industry suffers and people die. So here's the harsh truth, Governor. Political correctness isn't just dumb, it's deadly. Because when you don't know who you're dealing with, or worse, when you don't even care because you call it justice or cheap labor or voter replacement, you get terrible outcomes. Let's do better.

[Kyle Olson]

Steve Cortez, you join us now from San Diego. You're actually at the truckers convention. Tell us. This is a problem all over the country, but particularly in places like California, New York. It's really a plague and it's driving down wages, but more importantly, or as importantly, it's killing people. Your thoughts?

[Steve Bannon]

That's exactly right. In a tragic way, it's fitting that the trucking convention is here in beautiful California. What's going on here isn't beautiful at all. Gavin Newsom, simply to thwart President Trump is issuing CDLs in an incredibly reckless manner and making sure that dangerous illegals, many of whom don't have the requisite skills to drive safely in this country, many of whom are not proficient in English, that they're all over the roads, not just the roads here in California, but all over America. And you're exactly right. Same similar things happening in Illinois, in New York, in other renegade blue states. So this industry, by the way, Steve, the operators here, many of whom are small business folks, these aren't all big mega fleets. These folks employ American citizens. They don't hire the illegal migrants. So they hate this. They hate the loss of life. Of course, first and foremost. But in addition to that, the drivers hate what it does to wages nationwide because these illegals are always willing to work for less. And also, this is an important aspect. These renegade firms that are not legitimate, American firms that employ these people knowingly, many of them owned by foreigners, by the way, legal foreigners from those countries, they undercut the legitimate firms on rates. So it's a scourge for this industry. It's a danger for all Americans, for every single American getting on the road. I'm sure all of your viewers have seen the horrific videos, the awful dash cam footage. This cannot be allowed to go on. Thankfully, Secretary Duffy is taking some strong action, but this industry, from a private sector perspective, is also taking strong action. And this, this madness has to stop.

[Julie Kelly]

How?

[Kyle Olson]

What Duffy's doing, the President and the in the industry, what's the convergence of this? How do we actually make it stop in a place like California that's trying to make a political statement about this, doesn't care about safety and doesn't care about American citizen wages?

[Steve Bannon]

Well, the first thing is what Sean Duffy is doing right, which is very smart, which is removing funds. But I think secondly, ultimately, if these states don't get in line quickly, we're going to have to federalize commercial driver's licenses. These CDLs are going to have to be handed out from the federal level. Now, that's not ideal. We'd rather have the states manage their own affairs, just as they do with regular driver's licenses. But again, if they refuse to comply, even after they get very harsh financial penalties, and we'll see what happens next. If they still refuse to comply because they are just so committed to illegals, they're so committed to their globalist radicalism, then I think the federal government has to step in in a statutory way and issue these licenses. But I can tell you also, these firms, none of them want this. They know it's a PR nightmare for the industry. They know that they're operating the right way. They're paying fair wages to American citizen drivers. They don't want their rates to be undercut by these firms that are using the near slave like labor of illegals that they're able to use. And then, of course, most of all, again, it's the safety issue every time you get on a highway. Right now, Americans are legitimately, validly worried. Is this truck next to me driven by an illegal who doesn't speak English, who can't read the road signs, who doesn't know how we drive in this country, and might do something really scary and reckless and might put me and my family in danger. That's just. It's front and center. And I can tell you here at this conference, Steve, there's two things everybody is talking about. That's one. The other one are the ridiculous lawsuits, the jackpot justice that's going on in terms of trial lawyers who have targeted this industry and are chasing these owner operators. So those are the two things. Instead of talking about the things they should be talking about, Steve, they should be talking about things like what are freight rates, what is traffic like in this country, what's international trade like? Those are the normal topics at a convention like this. Instead, the top two topics are politically related. The first one being the illegals. The illegals that Gavin Newsom has unleashed on the highways all over this country. And this industry doesn't want it. No sane American wants it. But Steve, this is how committed Gavin Newsom and his fellow radicals, this is how committed they are to illegals that they will put their own people at risk. Three people killed not far from where I'm standing on the i10 in California. Does Gavin Newsom care? No, he does not. Because he believes that by placating the radicals and by playing to the far left to the Marxist wing of his party, that that's going to vault him to the nomination in 2028. Well, let me tell you something. If he does in fact get that nomination, I can't wait to use this issue against him in that campaign. Because no san thinks that handing out cdls like candy to illegal aliens makes sense for this country. No one sane believes that. That's okay.

[Kyle Olson]

Steve, we gotta bounce. But I have Dale Bigtree on for the entire hour at six. You just made this incredible maha documentary. Where do people get all your content, including your substack this, your reporting out there at the conference, but also your new doc on make America healthy again.

[Steve Bannon]

Yes, please see my new maha doc. It is breaking all records compared to my prior docs. Go to CortezInvestigates.com Millions of people have seen it. It's 30 minutes. It's concise, it's fantastic. Robert Malone, Michael Caputo, Moms, doctors, all filmed in the Commonwealth of Virginia. Please go to Cortez investigates.com.

[Kyle Olson]

Incredible. Thank you, sir.

[Steve Bannon]

Appreciate you.

[Julie Kelly]

Thank you.

[Kyle Olson]

The truckers, Truckers, we got your back. It's. It's a total disaster with people doing account for these truckers. Illegal aliens getting driver's licen, killing people, driving down wages. It's obscene. We start today. The Cold open with Jack Smith. The left. Julie Kelly joins us. Julie, what in the hell happened today with Jack Smith? They're sitting there going, this is amazing. Jack Smith's got to testify. He's got notes from Pence. What the hell's going on, ma'?

[Julie Kelly]

Am. So there was this report in the Washington Post today talking about how Jack Smith became the special counsel. And I think, Steve, it really demonstrated how desperate Jack Smith was to get his dirty hands on the two investigations into Donald Trump. Think about this. He'd shattered his leg in a biking accident. Apparently, he's a triathlete. So he had surgery. He's laid up, he can't move. He's in Amsterdam because he was at the Hague, prosecuting, handling a war crimes case there. Merrick Garland calls him, asks him if he'll take the case. He agrees to to do so, and works from Amsterdam for at least the first eight weeks of the investigation, of taking over those investigations as special counsel. DOJ prosecutors had to fly to Amsterdam to meet with Jack Smith because he was laid up and couldn't move. Then by the time he got back to the States, apparently this was late December, he was all already plotting how to put together a prosecution memo to outline the charges against President Trump in the documents case. He barely had time to even get up to speed as to what was happening there. And then what was really revealed today is how there was disagreement in the special counsel's office about keeping that investigation, which began in Washington, D.C. even though the alleged crimes took place in Palm beach in Southern Florida. But they wanted to keep everything in Washington so they could get favorable rulings from Democrat grand juries and very favorable involvement and cooperation from Obama appointee Beryl Howell, who was chief judge, and then, of course, Jeb Bossberg, who took over for her in early 2023. Steve, there were discussions by Judge Cannon about an abuse of the grand jury process during the documents proceedings because the DOJ and Jack Smith conducted almost the entire investigation in Washington, D.C. and then moved it to Southern Florida at the last minute to get an indictment because the alleged crimes in the timeline took place after the president left Washington in January of 2021. Then when Judge Cannon dismissed the documents indictment on July 15, 2024, concluding that Jack Smith's appointment violated the Constitution. Jack Smith wanted to go directly to the appellate court, a very rare move, the Washington Post calls it, to have her recused, removed from the proceedings, because, of course, as you know, we talked about, she was already giving the DOJ and Jack Smith a hard time because she already knew how dirty and corrupt and dishonest they were, and she was calling them out every step of the way. So then after the documents case was dismissed, Jack Smith wanted to go to the appellate court to recuse her. And Solicitor General Elizabeth Prelogar, a Biden appointee, told Jack Smith no.

[Kyle Olson]

Is this guy obsessed? Was this an obsession with trying to take down President Trump? I know the article. I want your opinion. Does this show an unhealthy obsession? Because he had a terrible reputation in the Hague of going after these supposed war crimes that he would. People considered him a nutcase. Is that why Merrick Garland reached out to him?

[Julie Kelly]

You know, I interviewed John Lauro, the president's defense attorney in the J6 case, and he said that Merrick Garland served up Jack Smith because he basically knew what a dirty prosecutor he was. And Merrick Garland wanted to wash himself of both of these investigations and cases. That's what John Lauro told me. So you're right. Why did Merrick Garland go to someone with such a. I mean, Jack Smith did not have a good record as a prosecutor in the Obama DOJ. He was unanimously reversed by the Supreme Court in 2016 in his prosecution of Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and his wife. And then he got a hung jury in the first case of Senator Menendez. So Jack Smith has a terrible track record, but I think that maybe Merrick Garland, maybe again taking his cues from our favorite Lisa Monaco, tap Jack Smith, because he knew the guy has no scruples, he has no integrity, he has no morals. He was going to do and pull every dirty trick, and he did in both cases, the documents case in Florida, where he didn't get away with it, and the J6 case in Washington where he did, because of course, he had Obama Judge Tanya Chutkan cooperating with him in those proceedings. So Merrick Garland, Lisa Monaco, maybe even Joe Biden knew that Jack Smith would go to the mats, the mattresses, every single time, pull every trick, bring in every dirty prosecutor under him. Jay Bratt, David Harbach, J.B. cooney, Molly Gaston, both of whom the latter two wrote to Bill Barr and threatened to quit if he was going to pursue 2020 election fraud investigations. They were at the DOJ at that time as well. And he certainly did pull in every dirty prosecutor investigator he possibly could and threw everything he could at the president. And then, of course, Donald Trump won and he had to drop the J6G place in Washington.

[Kyle Olson]

Julie Hanger, for one second, I got a pipe bomb question and I got, are we pursuing these hard enough, ma'. Am. Short break.

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[Kyle Olson]

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[Julie Kelly]

My initial thoughts, and actually they have been my thoughts for a few months, is that is a mistake. Because we see how quickly special prosecutors, special counsels, can get away from the mission, even if you pick someone that you think will do a stellar job. Furthermore, because Judge Cannon tossed out Jack Smith's appointment in Southern Florida, finding that his appointment violated the appointments clause of the Constitution, that order still stands. Now, of course, Jack Smith was planning to appeal. That had to drop the appeal after the President won. But how the special counsel. There is no special prosecutor or independent counsel statute on the books anymore. As you know, that expired. I believe it was 1999. So what Merrick Garland did was kind of stitched together and they did this with Robert Mueller. Three or four different statutes, kind of random statutes, to say that this justified the appointment of a special counsel. That said, I think what we're hearing about a grand jury being impaneled in southern Florida starting in January, I think that that is very hopeful. The new U.S. attorney there sounds like a real stand up guy and sounds like he's aligned with the mission there. They're going to have to work very quickly, obviously, to start calling people before grand juries and try to get some indictments. I don't think that a special council will expedite that process. There's a chance that it could be more problematic and slow down what needs to be a, a very, an orderly process that we can get something done before the time is up.

[Kyle Olson]

Focus.

[Julie Kelly]

So I'm not so sure that that's the best solution.

[Kyle Olson]

That's good, that's good. We, we get all opinions here and we value yours. First among equals was fitting in the viceroy. Okay, Julie, one other things. Beatty is in the State Department, so you're a person on pipe bombs. I don't. I know you do, but I don't understand. This video the FBI put out. Give me. I only got two minutes. What in the hell is going on with the pipe bomb? And what is this video? The video doesn't match the timeline, does it, ma'?

[Julie Kelly]

Am? Well, the video is kind of, for the most part. I know that there's some new clips in there, but this is basically the video that we've seen for the last few years. This, this unidentified individual in a hoodie wandering around for about 45, 50 minutes and cat on Capitol Hill close to both the RNC and then sitting down at least twice in front of the dnc. It looks like the video might show the suspect planting the pipe bomb. I had some very deep doubts about the authenticity of that video. So did Darren Beatty. This is when I miss him and I wish that he was around. But they did. The FBI did post another public plea to help identify and convict that hoodie suspect, saying that that individual planted the bombs that evening. However, and this is part of my report today on the woman who allegedly found the pipe bomb by the RNC. Steve. She told authorities as early as January 8th that the device by the RNC had to have been planted and this is Carlin Younger had to have been planted between noon and 12:40 on January 6th because she did not see it on her first trip to this laundry room. There's the device right there that she said she spotted around 12:40, but she said she did not see it at noon. So even that little tidbit contradicts the official timeline but nonetheless raises questions about Carlin Younger and recently released FBI documents about her first contact with the FBI on January 8, a follow up interview on January 11, and then contradictions and inconsistencies with media reporters afterwards and contradictions in her statements and what the surveillance video shows especially related to her allegations that a suspicious woman that she encountered a suspicious woman on her way to detect to spotting the device, trying to suggest that this woman was a MAGA supporter, a J. Sixer. However, surveillance video shows no such woman that Carlin Younger ever encountered or came close to during her laundry trips.

[Kyle Olson]

That may be that, that may be a projection bias. Suspicious woman. No, no, I get ahead of the story. We'll figure that out over time. Julie Kelly, where do we go to your sub stack? Where do we go to all get all your content, ma'. Am.

[Julie Kelly]

Thanks, Steve. So I have this report on Declassified with Julie Kelly. We have at least two follow up pieces on this the woman related to the RNC pipe bomb. So declassified with Julie Kelly on substack also asks Julie underscore Kelly 2. I also have reporting on the pipe bomb on Real Clear Investigations.

[Kyle Olson]

Fantastic. Julie, thank you for carving time out today to join us.

[Julie Kelly]

Thanks, Steve.

[Kyle Olson]

Love your Love your other take. Love love your other take on the on the special counsel Mike Lindell. You've been with lawyers all day. I knew your energy's a little down, Jack. It up, brother. And sell me a towel, a pillow and a sheet.

[Steve Bannon]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Kyle Olson]

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[Steve Bannon]

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[Brett Bradford]

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