THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON EPISODE #4919

Summary

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THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON — EPISODE #4919

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Date: November 11, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests/Contributors: Charlie Kirk, Mike Lindell, Natalie Winters
Main Theme: Election integrity battles, Trump’s influence and strategies, Supreme Court cases, American institutions, and escalating cultural-political conflict.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The War Room dives deep into the evolving state of American politics as the 2026 midterms loom. Stephen K. Bannon and guests Charlie Kirk, Mike Lindell, and Natalie Winters dissect:

• The ongoing “lawfare” over 2020 election results and mail-in ballots
• The Supreme Court’s growing role in election disputes
• Internal Republican tensions and Trump’s approach to retribution
• Comparisons to “color revolutions” and the breakdown of institutional trust
• Rising civil strife and concerns over the American social fabric

The discussion is fiery, combative, and unapologetically skeptical of mainstream narratives, a signature of the War Room style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump’s Political Evolution & Retribution Agenda

[00:34–03:21]

• Bannon: Opens with concerns about Trump's intent regarding political adversaries (“Does he want to see them investigated or does he want to see them charged and put in jail?”).
• Kirk: Outlines Trump's broadened enemy list — not just Democrats, but also fellow Republicans seen as betrayers, listing James Comey and John Bolton as examples.
• Quote:

  “But I think that really high on the list are fellow Republicans who he feels did not stand by him or betrayed him.” — Charlie Kirk [01:37]

• Discussion: Trump is more himself than in 2016, less constrained by “the adults in the room.” Kirk argues Trump is driving his own retribution, not manipulated by surrogates.

2. The Supreme Court and Mail-in Ballots Legal Battle

[03:21–05:55; 07:53–09:08; 30:30–34:00; 36:19–38:50]

• Mississippi Case: Bannon explains the Supreme Court's upcoming review of Mississippi's mail-in ballot law, and the RNC's position for stricter one-day ballot counting.
• Guests: The panel frames disputes about ballot counting as central to the meaning of democracy and institutional trust.
• Quote:

  “It's my expectation, but it's my hope that the American people will learn that the Rule of law is important. It's essential to democracy and that courts are essential to democracy and the rule of law.” — Mike Lindell [04:46]

• Winters: Sees the left's intense focus on mail-in ballots as “information warfare,” pointing to Brookings Institution and color revolution tactics imported to U.S. politics.
• Quote:

  “All of the organizations actively sabotaging Trump are also concurrently in the left-wing space of…‘securing and protecting elections.’ But I've never found a left-leaning group that's actually set out to meaningfully fix these shortcomes in our third-world, if not fourth-world, election system.” — Natalie Winters [35:09]

3. Trump’s Reality vs. Perception on the Economy

[05:55–07:53]

• Bannon’s Question: Is Trump actually aware of voters’ economic anxiety?
• Kirk: Describes Trump’s media consumption habits (“watches a hell of a lot of television… gets lots of inputs”) but pivots back to Trump’s self-belief in his ability to shape reality.
• Quote:

  “He believes that he can create a reality with his own words. He's always believed that he can dictate it… he creates the reality.” — Charlie Kirk [07:14]

4. Contingent Elections, The “Stolen” 2020 Narrative, and Lawfare

[09:08–10:30; 30:30–35:00]

• Bannon: Outlines arguments that 2020 certifications were “impossible” in several swing states, advocating for contingent elections and suggesting ongoing ballot “evidence destruction.”
• Bannon: Links legal setbacks, prisoner status of figures like Tina Peters, and skepticism toward the Supreme Court's emergency docket to a broader narrative of institutional rot and lawfare.

5. Project 2025, The “Deep State,” and Staffing Challenges

[16:01–21:00]

• Bannon: Slams Republican establishment for undermining MAGA legal efforts by blacklisting pro-Trump lawyers. Praises institutions like Heritage’s Project 2025 for policy development.
• Quote:

  “So he's still being blocked. A lot of this is being blocked by the Republican establishment who are just trying to wait Trump out.” — Stephen K. Bannon [25:40]

6. Economic Reset and Tariffs—“Liberation Day”

[26:30–29:00]

• Bannon: Emphasizes Trump’s theory of economic growth via tariffs and massive industrial investment, framing “Liberation Day” as a reset of global economic and trade rules.
• Manufacturing Agenda: The beating heart is “supply-side tax cuts” and tough trade negotiations to reindustrialize the U.S.

7. China, Rare Earths, and “Sputnik Moment”

[29:00–32:04; 32:04–33:12]

• Bannon: Urges absolute decoupling from China—cut off capital, chips, even students, likening the moment to Cold War confrontation.
• Quote:

  “The American dream doesn't go through China. Hell, the Chinese dream for Lao Beijing doesn't go through China.” — Stephen K. Bannon [30:57]

8. Information Warfare, “Color Revolutions,” and Institutional Fabric

[33:12–36:19]

• Winters: Details how “color revolution” playbooks from Brookings and groups like the Democracy Docket shape the legal and information battle over election processes.
• Quote:

  “What it is, is information warfare to try to deceive and dupe Americans into believing that there is not fraud and that there cannot be fraud.” — Natalie Winters [36:03]

9. Social Division, Assassination, and “Civil War?”

[41:34–44:09]

• Lindell & Winters: React to the celebration of political violence and the escalating atmosphere. Debate whether the U.S. is simply “at step 7” or already in a “civil war,” or if it’s more akin to a “communist purge.”
• Quote:

  “As soon as you start celebrating… somebody getting murdered in front of their wife and kid on television… you’re in dark territory.” — Mike Lindell [42:29]

  “I maybe reject… ‘civil war’ — I think it’s more of a communist purge. A color revolution takeover with weird authoritarian state capitalism.” — Natalie Winters [43:02]

10. Media, Machines, and Election Skepticism

[34:14–35:09; 45:13–46:17]

• Jasmine Crockett clip is played, expressing suspicions over Dominion machines—Bannon and Lindell ridicule this as political double standards, recalling Democrats’ earlier opposition to voting machines.
• Lindell: Lambasts the attacks on him and others for challenging machines and calls out the shifting rhetoric.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Trump is listening to Trump… This is the direction that he wants to go, that he is driving.”
  — Charlie Kirk [02:44]
• “He could chain himself to the Resolute desk… We're in a different place now.”
  — Charlie Kirk [09:08]
• “You're either a resident or you're a citizen. If you're a citizen, you get a better deal.”
  — Stephen K. Bannon [29:57]
• "It's information warfare to try to deceive and dupe Americans into believing that there is not fraud and that there cannot be fraud."
  — Natalie Winters [36:03]
• “It's already underway… I maybe reject the framing of it as civil war. I think it's anything more of like a communist purge.”
  — Natalie Winters [43:02]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump's retribution agenda and inner circle: [00:34–03:21]
• Supreme Court, mail-in ballots legal debate: [03:21–05:55], [07:53–09:08], [30:30–34:00], [36:19–38:50]
• Economic reality and Trump's self-perception: [05:55–07:53]
• 2020 “stolen” election and legal evidence: [09:08–10:30], [30:30–35:00]
• Project 2025 and the MAGA staffing challenge: [16:01–21:00]
• Manufacturing, tariffs, and “Liberation Day": [26:30–29:00]
• US-China economic and tech decoupling ("Sputnik" analogy): [29:00–32:04]
• Color revolution, information warfare: [33:12–36:19]
• Escalation to violence, "civil war" or "purge": [41:34–44:09]
• Dominion machines—shifting narratives: [34:14–35:09], [45:13–46:17]

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Final Thoughts

This episode encapsulates the War Room’s synthesis of populist-right grievances: the “deep state,” media propaganda, compromised elections, sabotage by establishment Republicans, and existential threats from China and globalist institutions. The hosts and guests describe the moment as a crucial inflection point for saving (or losing) the republic, intensifying calls for action both in law and politics.

Listeners come away with a clear sense of the hosts’ urgency, skepticism of all mainstream and left-of-center institutions, and faith in Trumpian disruption as necessary for an American revival.

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Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Mike Lindell]

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[Charlie Kirk]

He wanted to document what was happening for history, and that got more urgent as I saw people trying to rewrite and whitewash the history that we're living through.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So you've really seen the evolution, and I hate to say evolution, because Donald Trump is very much who he is and is the way he's always been. But now he's free to be himself more than he was in 2016, that first administration, without having the, you know, what they called the adults in the room. So when we're talking about political retribution, I wonder what he really wants. We see this, the flurry of subpoenas for all these perceived political enemies. They include, you know, former CIA director John Brennan. They include Chris Krebs, anybody who he feels didn't do him right, said mean things about him or contradicted him. Does he want to see them investigated or does he want to see them charged and put in jail?

[Charlie Kirk]

I think he wants to go all the way. I mean, I think that he wants to turn their lives upside down. And it's, it's a. There are layers of enemies here. I mean, they are the people who literally investigated him. There are the people who prosecute him. There are the people that were his political enemies. But I think that really high on the list are fellow Republicans who he feels did not stand by him or betrayed him. I think those are at the top of his list. I think that's why, you know, James Comey was a. Was a top target, why he's clearly very interested in what's happening to John Bolton. Steve Bannon the other day suggested that Bill Barr should go to prison. I mean, I don't think there's really any limit.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

What did Bill Barr do?

[Charlie Kirk]

Well, you know, Bill Barr, according to Steve Bannon, not only failed to investigate the. What happened in 2020, but in the allegation is he didn't tell the truth. He actually said it was nonsense. Yeah, Bill Barr very definitively came out and said there was no substantial electoral election fraud and that is at the core of what Bannon thinks he should be investigating.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So is Steve Bannon still in the president's ear? Is that who he's listening to on this? Is it Laura Loomer? Is it somebody inside the White House?

[Charlie Kirk]

Trump is listening to Trump. You know, I mean, at any one moment, any of those people can channel where Trump is. And to get him, you know, to act more aggressively. I did detail a situation with Bannon where Bannon was on the phone with Trump and his entire national security team in the days before he met with Zelensky in the Oval Office in February with that, you know, great confrontation, and Bannon was pushing him in that direction. But it was Trump that got Bannon on the phone because he knew what Bannon was going to say. So I don't think you can say that Trump is being steered on this. This is the direction that he wants to go, that he is driving.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

The court has already granted review of this particular case. The question is what they are going to do with it. Right. And the issue is really a collision of federal or state law, federal and state law, or at least that's the way the rnc, which is the original plaintiff in this case, sees it. They challenged a Mississippi state law which, as you noted, allows the counting up to five days after Election Day so long as the ballot is postmarked by Election Day. And they say that conflicts with the federal statute that sets Election Day for the first Tuesday following that first Monday in November. They say that has a fixed meaning, can only mean that particular day and nothing after it. Mississippi, in response, says that's nonsensical. As long as a voter is casting their ballot by Election Day, which means, they put it, you know, they've made their choice and they've postmarked it. That should be what matters. And there is no. Wouldn't that go the other way as well? If Election Day is just on that Tuesday, would early voting be a problem then as well?

[Mike Lindell]

Absolutely. And that's part of the problem here, that there.

[Charlie Kirk]

There's an argument that says the way Election Day should be understood is ball.

[Mike Lindell]

Arriving on one particular day.

[Charlie Kirk]

Imagine the precision that would be needed to get it to arrive just on that one day. And of course, the point of the law is, and the point of an.

[Mike Lindell]

Election day is to count ballots.

[Charlie Kirk]

And what's going on here really, is an attempt to undermine not just the meaning of Election Day, but the meaning of democracy.

[Mike Lindell]

That it's my expectation, but it's my hope that the American people will learn that the Rule of law is important. It's essential to democracy and that courts are essential to democracy and the rule of law. And the people's confidence in the courts is crucial. When the Supreme Court ruled against President Nixon in order to turn over the tapes he made in the Oval Office with incriminating evidence against him and his confederates, he could have disobeyed, he could have destroyed the tapes, but he didn't because he knew the American people wouldn't tolerate disobedience of a Supreme Court order, given the present conditions. And what's being said about my colleagues, judges who rule against the President and then are accused of being crooked, and the President says they should be impeached. I'm concerned that the American people don't have accurate information about the United States courts and won't support the courts if they issue order to the President that the President wishes to disobey.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I wonder how rooted in reality is he is right now concerning how he's doing politically. And I want to play something that he said to Laura Ingram on Fox News about the economy and then ask you a question on the other side.

[Mike Lindell]

More than anything else, it's a con job by the Democrats. They're saying they just have to say.

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, they put out something, say.

[Mike Lindell]

Today costs are up. They feed it to the anchors of.

[Charlie Kirk]

Abc, CBS and NBC and a lot.

[Mike Lindell]

Of other, you know, CNN and etc.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Why are people saying they're anxious about the economy?

[Mike Lindell]

Why are they saying that? I don't know that they are saying, I think polls are fake. We have the greatest economy we've ever had.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So.

[Natalie Winters]

So he's.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's kind of Biden ask, in the sense that, you know, the people were not feeling good about the economy, but Biden said, what are you talking about? Things are great.

[Charlie Kirk]

Who are you going to believe, your own situation or what the statistics tell you?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

But the statistics aren't even on his side at this point. So is he living in reality?

[Charlie Kirk]

He actually gets a lot of external inputs. First of all, he does watch a hell of a lot of television. Television.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Is it just Fox?

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, I mean, no, no. He's. He maybe is watching now. He watches msnbc. Absolutely. He watches cnn. He watches mostly Fox, but he, he gets lots of inputs. And he's on the phone constantly. And he's on the phone sometimes to fellow reporters, sometimes to, you know, corporate CEOs, people that are telling him. And he. And he asks questions. When he's. When you call him, he asks questions. So he gets the inputs. So I Don't think that he's divorced, you know, that he's walled off the reality. I think that he believes that he can create a reality with his own words. He's always believed that he can dictate it. He's always believe that. Even in his days as a developer, I mean, you know, Trump Tower was the biggest, greatest building in all of, you know, midtown Manhattan. I mean, it wasn't actually the biggest, but he talked about it as if it was, and it was a great building. But, you know, he has. He creates the reality.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So as this court is made up, what's the likelihood that or where do you think they might fall on this issue? Cory and I were talking about this before we came on, and I'm a little bit scratching my head because the posture of this case, meaning the way that it came to the court, was that Mississippi lost in the Fifth Circuit, the US Court of Appeals that oversees the Mississippi District Court. That means that Mississippi had to go to the Supreme Court and say, we want to defend our law that allows us to do that count. And two things could be happening here. One, the court could say, this is a grand time and a good opportunity to review this question of counting mail in ballots because it wouldn't be rushed. We can do that in time for the midterm elections. Or they could see it as an opportunity to put the 5th Circuit in its place and say, well, not going to let this ruling stand. This is the right opportunity to say to that Circuit court, no, no, no, no, no. You don't get to invalidate state laws that allow the counting of ballots so long as they're cast by election. There's whether I could envision Donald Trump ever leaving the White House, ever willingly going, yeah, and then we saw that kind of come to life in 2020, although he did eventually leave. He's got Trump hats that say 2028. He's building a ballroom. That's not going to be done until the end of this term. What do you think is going to happen in 2028?

[Charlie Kirk]

You know, I asked John Kelly a question shortly after he left as chief of staff. So Trump's still in office first term, you know, will, what happens if he doesn't leave? And Kelly just matter of factly said, oh, no, he'll leave. And if he doesn't, he could chain himself to the Resolute desk and there will be people that come in and, you know, cut the chains. We're in a different place now. Look, I don't think he's going to run again, try to run again for a third time. I think he knows as well as everybody else, but the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution makes that impossible. But it is hard to imagine him voluntarily leaving the spotlight, leaving all that he has and handing the baton to somebody else. Even, maybe even, especially a fellow Republican. So I don't know how it happens, but he's not like planning a third campaign right now. So from a fourth campaign, I guess it would be from book one to.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Book four to retribution. What is the one lesson that you have taken away from covering and following Donald Trump?

[Charlie Kirk]

It's the evolution that he has come to a place where he is changing America in a way that he never did in the first term. And the impact of Donald Trump didn't really last from the first term. It was rather ephemeral. This time, he is changing the country in profound ways that will long live. That will live long after he is gone.

[Mike Lindell]

Putting aside whether I'm confident in their interpretation of the Constitution, I'm not confident in the way they're now deciding cases. They're taking an unprecedented number of matters on the emergency shadow docket. They're vacating temporary restraining orders, preliminary injunctions that district Georgia judges are imposing. They're making those decisions before the facts are well developed without any argument and very little briefing. And as a practical matter, the president is winning a very high percentage of these cases. And if it turns out at the end of the usual litigation where the facts are developed in the trial court, that the plaintiff, the party bringing the case, is entitled to prevail, I doubt that it'll be possible to be put Humpty Dumpty back together again. Tuesday, the 11th of November, in the year overlord 2025. It's Veterans Day and you're here for the late afternoon, early evening edition. You see right there what all of a sudden they hate the Supreme Court because the Supreme Court is not briefed properly. It's all shoddy because Trump is president. Trump has run the table when it comes to wins in the Supreme Court, particularly on this key topic of the article two powers and what his exact powers are as president of the United States. Remember, the Constitution is fairly vague on certain of these, the scale of his powers. They're not vague about what powers he has, like his chief executive officer, commander in chief of the armed forces, our chief law enforcement officer of the United States. And right there, because the Supreme Court has announced it's going to take up a case in Mississippi or from Mississippi about mail in ballots. As more and more Pressure gets put on. We got to get to the bottom of 2020. Of course, today it was leaked out of Colorado that in fact the Justice Department is not in the court in Colorado, not in formal discussions with Colorado about moving Tina Peters, who's a political prisoner. I mean, we freed the hostages in Israel. How come we have not freed Tina Peters? We have to put as much emphasis on that. Tina Peters is a political prisoner because she stood in the breach and spoke truth to power about, you know, about the machines. Now, remember, we're not machine guys here. We're mailing ballot folks. Although we think the machines are totally screwed up and have to be not just investigated but should be removed. We believe that 2020 is pretty straightforward about how it was stolen. There are 400,000 ballots down in Georgia that can go a long way to decertifying the 2020 election. And the 2020 election could never have been certified. Impossible. Couldn't be certified in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, couldn't be certified in the state of Georgia, couldn't be certified in the state of Arizona, could not be certified in the state of Michigan and all that. In fact, less than that, you don't need Pennsylvania get you below 270, contingent election because the only way to do it, Cleta Mitchell, you can't have a revote, you can't do anything. You get one chance to vote in a national election and then after that, after that, contingent election. So right now they're totally freaked out. They're the left and the Democratic Party are being called on mail in ballots. And what we need is a U.S. marshal with a warrant and go down and seize the 400,000. I hope there's still 400,000 ballots there. I'm hearing now it might be 150,000. Ed Martin, I think said in this room the other day, he didn't even think they're there. He thinks they're gone. He thinks they're getting rid of the evidence, suppress the evidence. President Trump on offense across the board. And of course, now it's all the Supreme Court's fault. The Supreme Court shoddy they do this emergency docket. They're not well brewed, brief, they're not well prepared. And that's only because President Trump, I think has won 21 times. Of course, one of the biggest they're ever going to rule on is this tariff situation. We're going to get to all that. Birchgold.com Take your phone out. Gold's had a run for a couple of days. Why is that? I don't know. They're out now in zero hedge and saying $200 billion or more. I think one example was a trillion to finance the, not just the, the data centers, but also the power, nuclear power. Everything else is going to fall on the American taxpayer. Don't think the taxpayer should own a piece of the action in those companies. We'll get to all that. We're going to break it all down. You're in the war room. Take your phone out. Bannon. Text Bannon 989898 to get the ultimate guide for investing in gold and precious metals in the age of Trump, the Marine Corps hymn will take us out on Veterans Day 2025. America's Voice family are you on Getter yet?

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[Mike Lindell]

Of the new pin. Okay, two things are happening here. So number one is that you're having and it had, it's up on my gutter. The Daily Mail had kind of the broad piece, but it's been what Mike Davis, the viceroy has been here talking about this. And John Solomon, to a degree. This kind of vast conspiracy that goes all the way from 2014, the lead up to Crossfire Hurricane, all the way to essentially today, right? Or 10 years, let's say 2024. In its conspiracy. It's got Brennan, all of them in it. It's got Crossfire Hurricane is what they did to us in the 16 campaign and then the Mueller investigation. Shifty shift, all of them, right? That whole cabal. You've got the 2020 election. You've got the Fed selection January 6, you've got the entire coup. Everything they did to debank us, those imprisoned, all of it in the years in the wilderness, all of a piece. It's going to be complicated. But hey, people can handle complexity. Remember Jack Smith, who read the book Injustice? Jack Smith was going to have a trial, one of these general trials he was working towards, a trial that would have hundreds of of President Trump's closest followers and President Trump on trial. And kind of like the mafia trials they had In Sicily and in Italy back, I don't know, in the 70s or 80s. And they've done this, tried to do this before. So Jack Smith was working on something what people, particularly this U.S. attorney in Miami, in the, what the Southern District in Miami is impaneling a grand jury and they're freaked out about it cuz they understand many of the people you see on TV all the time are going to be rolled up into this. And so the freak coupled with the Supreme Court has actually said, hey, we want to take a look at mail in ballots. Hello, we want to take a look at mail in ballots. And so this is why you get the attack at the end of our coal open right there. You get the attack on the Supreme Court. They're going to go after the Supreme Court, go hard. What President Trump is saying about the nuclear option to follow that is part of this thread. He's saying you've got to get the nuclear option now, kill the filibuster, go to basically the 51, you know, majority. Because the Democrats are going to do this. The very first thing they do if they take the Senate in, obviously if they take the White House, they're going to come back and do that so that the first thing they can do is expand the Supreme Court from nine justices to 13. And those other four will be radical leftists like the last couple they got on there. The left is, look, obviously this is about keeping the initiative, seizing the institutions, maximalist strategy move with urgency in this regard. It is very important to get the job done here. Now they're horribly understaffed. One of the reasons they're understaffed is that the reason they can't get lawyers is that in this town, if you work for President Trump and you work in the Justice Department, particularly if you work on the knife edge of the prosecution side, you are told by Republicans you're not going to be able to work in Republican law firms. So there's no future career for you. You have to go all maga, all the time. This is what was so brave about cra, so brave about CPI with Mark Meadows, CRA with Russ Vogt, Stephen Miller's America First Policy Law Institute, Brooks Rollins in the America First Policy, and of course Dr. Roberts, Dr. Kevin Roberts over at Heritage. That basically was the umbrella that did the project 2025. Yes, that would be the Kevin Roberts that's having struggle sessions. If you want to be completely repulsed, maybe I put this up so people can watch it and can break it down. The struggle session. Kevin Roberts is going through at the Heritage Institute is repulsive. It's nothing. But it's like. It's just like a CCP struggle session. And hey, if that's the best heritage is going to do, I guess it's going to fade away. I don't care how much donor money you got. You're either in the moment and fighting or you're not. And what's happening over there is repulsive. Just watch the struggle session of Roberts by the Venomous coalition. Yeah, the Venomous coalition. Ron Dermer just resigned. This is how well you guys are doing. Ron Dermer now threw in the towel. Dermer's one of the best guys they've got in an interface and a person that's trusted to interface with the American negotiators. He's kind of Bibi's strategic advisor, I think he's been ambassador from Israel to the United States. A guy I know that Jared and President Trump trust and work with. So now you have that situation. You have this horrible situation where you've got Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood is financing the redevelopment of of Gaza. You're going to have 2 million Palestinians they're in. Right. They're not going. They're not going to the Sinai Desert. The Turks are going to coordinate the security. Netanyahu says the other day, well, you're not going to have any boots on the ground. Yeah, I don't think that's Bibi. You're just howling into the wind. You're not being listened to by the people that are putting the deal together, starting the redevelopment, all of it. And of course, people are saying, well, the deal is falling apart. Hey, the deal may be falling AP that part of the deal may be falling apart. But the deal that they're working with, Qatar, Gaza, money, redevelopment, Turks, arms security, Saudi troops, Egyptian troops, that part of the deal ain't falling apart. They're marching down the path of this. And this gets back to these brave, you know, in the years in the wilderness, the brave heroes that stood up here. So now we're, now we're kind of in it, and you're going down and we're not moving fast enough because you can't get the people. The Justice Department still main justice is short of people. It's not Pam Bondi's fault. Part of it is that the Republican establishment are telling people, if you work in the Justice Department, you're not going to be able to work for a big one of these big Republican law firms. You're not going to work with one of these money law firms. There's still a big pressure against President Trump. This is why everything President Trump's doing is we're still scrambling to put people there, to get people in all the billets and to make sure they're quality people. So he's still being blocked. A lot of this is being blocked by the Republican establishment who are just trying to wait Trump out. Why do I keep saying that? There's got to be a spreadsheet on all these investments. The bet that we've made on investments, the bet, the central bet. And you can't run around. Oh, is it. Is he talking about his prices up, prices down every day? That's going to fluctuate. The one thing that's going to be tough about getting prices totally down to where you want them, regardless if you have full energy dominance, is just the size and massive Keynesian stimulus you're giving from the deficit. And there he's getting no help on Capitol Hill. So this whole thing of trying to get the deficits under control under the $2 trillion is kind of, you know, off to the side. They just had this whole rigmarole, this kabuki theater over the shutdown. Finally, the Democrats have kind of folded and they're going to get a Senate vote. The House is going to come back. And what are they. What's the first thing the Democrats want to do? They want to take off any ability. Part of the deal is take off any ability to riff the workforce going forward. They don't want to cut any penny of the Federal spending, nothing. $7 trillion. Until you get a handle on that, or until you look at other revenue generation generators, and there's nothing that's going to get you close to the 7 trillion. You're at 5 now. So it's still a gap of 1.8 to $2 trillion. The refinancing of that with the amount of interest you're paying is going to. You're going to have. Because it's a stimulus, you're going to have some sort of, you know, at least some sort of inflation gas. Perino is making a point. Hey, if the assumption here is 3%, that's not a small amount cumulative over time. But the bet you've made is on growth in jobs. Growth in jobs. That's what that. That's what the liberation day is. Liberation day, which is redoing of all the commercial relationships to force, use it as a forcing function, tariffs as a forcing function, commercial relationships, trade deals as a forcing function to force manufacturing back here to the United States. If you don't do that, you'll pay a tariff, but force it back here. Because this whole bet of President Trump is on growth and on the return of America as a manufacturing superpower with great jobs for working class people. That's essential. This. You couple that with the big beautiful bill, big beautiful bill, as I've said over and over again, is a supply side tax cut. That's the beating heart of it. And the manufacturing, you get the tax breaks and you build the manufacturing plants so you can depreciate them. You've got all kind of ways to protect your operating income, protect your capital investment with write offs. What we need is a spreadsheet. Make sure it's getting done. The Secretary treasury gave us an hour last Friday down in Sumter, South Carolina at a, @ a facility that takes rare earths and makes, you know, comes up with these magnets which are so incredibly important for the production process. All of this revolves around manufacturing. Become a manufacturing superpower. That takes time, but the way it takes less time than more time is to have somebody assigned and be on it every day. The investment, what companies are making it, where is going, these are the tax cut, these are the, the trade deals. This is what these people promise in the trade deals. We're now finding out the Wall Street Journal is reporting, hey, on the, on the rare earth, guess what? The Chinese Communist Party, I realize this is going to shock you. The Chinese Communist Party is trying to wiggle out of the deal, particularly when it comes to our defense industry. I know you find that shocking because Wall street and the Democrats and Republican establishment just tell us, oh, they're just competitors. And you know, Jensen Wong says they're just great guys and we want to grow together. And the American dream comes through, comes through, comes through China, that the American dream for citizens of the United States comes through China. Look, it's very simple. You're either a resident or you're a citizen. If you're a citizen, you get a better deal. Some people, citizens act like they're just residents, but citizens get a premium. It's make America first again. And to make American citizens first. That kind of gets lost in all this, in this economics. It's not about the price of this today or tomorrow. It's about the direction of massive capital investment and capital investment in manufacturing. What you're seeing somewhat, and we're going to get into this, is this all going into data centers and nuclear power plants for the data centers so that the government, and that means the citizens can pay for Jensen Huang's $5 trillion stock or the AI or the AI companies. Short break here on a Veterans Day 2025. You're in the war room. Your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, welcome. So where we're on offense, you're going to see automatic pushback hard. They're obviously very worried about the investigation. This is the aspect of taking down the deep state, which we don't do it now, it ain't going to get done and we can't assume we're going to have unlimited time. Also on the and I think the administration, I've talked to a lot of folks that they the big beautiful bill. The basic economic theory here and what was executed was a massive tax cut around supply side around production and capital, coupled with a redoing of the world's commercial relationships starting on Liberation Day, manifested in trade deals that had tariffs in them. If you did not ship your manufacturing here to the United States of America, it should not be lost on you that the plant that we kicked off the 45 minute or so interview with the secretary of Treasury, I think was a German company that added substantial capital to expand on these magnets. Raid the rare earths. Of course, Natalie Winter is going to join me. I'm going to get her thoughts a little later. The Wall Street Journal is reporting. Well, a couple of disturbing reports I hear on artificial intelligence. But the one that a couple jump off the page is that the CCP I know you're shocked about this is trying to, I don't want to say wiggle out of the deal. Trying to do workarounds on the deal so they don't have to get rare earths to the United States military. It's tougher. They want our military industrial complex to be slower. This is why anyone promoting David Sacks or Jensen Huang, anybody promoting giving anything to the Chinese Communist Party like capital or like chips, is working in their interest. We should cut them off from all capital and we should cut them off from all chips. And while we're in it, we should cut them off from any student being here because they have to be intelligence agents. And we got enough American kids to fill those billets. If you're saying we're in a Sputnik moment, we didn't give the Russians anything. We didn't give the Soviets or the Bolsheviks anything. They stole a lot because they had traders in our own government, in our own weapons labs that had access to the information. So they got it. This is how they developed the hydrogen bomb so quickly. But here you've got companies, and particularly Jensen Huang sitting there going whether the American dream really comes through China. No, it doesn't, dude. Learn your American history, bro. The American dream doesn't go through China. Hell, the Chinese dream for Lao Beijing doesn't go through China. All it is is there is suppression, organ harvesting. It's the reason you have such a strong Christian church and the CCP is because of their suppression of it. And we know that the churches are always stronger, strongest where they're suppressed by state authorities. Check the Christian Church circa 33 AD to 36 AD in Jerusalem during a brutal persecution of the Christians, Czech, Rome during a couple of the emperors, the captive nations after World War II, Russia, the Bolsheviks, the Chinese Communist Party. Just the same as all these murderous dictatorships. Before we get there. Natalie, you've actually got because your other beat besides the CCP is obviously the color revolution, Palantir, all of this, the technology. But you take special interest in the guys the world like norm, ison, etc. You are on this mail in ballot. So the Supreme Court announces they're going to take up mail in ballots and they are melting down all afternoon. They're bringing up the Supreme Court works off the emergency docket. These things are not briefed Trump's. And because Trump's winning so many cases about his Article 2 powers at the Supreme Court and now they're trying to work the refs because they realized they had this massive tariff case before the, you know, this, this case on tariffs before the Supreme Court. Your thoughts, ma'? Am?

[Natalie Winters]

Well, as a student of Color Revolution history, I have to say I quite enjoyed the cold open. I don't think I've ever heard Jonathan Karl use so many euphemistic terms to try to describe the stolen election. I guess they've gotten the memo maybe from the legal department that they should be choosing their words just a little bit more carefully. But on that point, you're exactly right to also include in that cold open that clip Lisa Rubin's analysis of this forthcoming Supreme Court case. Obviously it impacts 16 states in Washington, D.C. but it's interesting not just in tracking Mark Elias and Democracy docket, their organization, which has been putting out nonstop the last few weeks, really sort of fear mongering about the implications or stakes of this case. But another really important entity is of course, the Brookings Institution. That's where Norm Eisen used to do most of his work. Now he's at the contrarian. But that was always sort of ground zero really for the Color Revolution via what was called the Democracy Playbook. I've talked about this forever. Darren Beatty and Revolver did a lot of really seminal reporting on it, basically using the tactics that they used abroad in other countries to carry out regime change here in the United States.

[Mike Lindell]

States.

[Natalie Winters]

And believe it or not, just a few days ago, those very same people, under the auspices of the Brookings Institution, as part of basically a continuation of that program, just put out a new long form report entitled, quote, male voting in the US Data points to very low fraud and significant benefits to voters. Now, full stop. That's a lie. And I'd like to read Norm Eisen's summary of it because it sounds like a hostage statement. Blink if you're okay, Norm. My Brookings colleagues find mail voting is secure and has substantial benefits for election administration and tens of millions of voters. They also find that fraud is exceedingly rare, especially in universal vote by mail systems. He's been tweeting this out all day. Basically the same quote. So either there's some glitch or like I said, he's being held hostage. But the timing of this is just very interesting, right, that they're really focusing on this. And if we want to play the clip, I think this, the audience will really enjoy it. Just sort of teeing it up. This is Mark Elias talking to Jasmine Crockett about Dominion.

[Mike Lindell]

This is my, this is one of my favorites. I actually put a pretty snarky headline on it when I put it up on Getter last night. Do we have the Jasmine Crockett thing? Let's go ahead and play it.

[Natalie Winters]

One of his friends has purchased Dominion. So it's going to be really important for us to educate all states that we can to make sure that their Secretary of States are like, mm, mm. We don't want the Dominion machines. Because I personally believe that that ally purchased Dominion so that he could potentially play with the machines. Because we know that they're trying to cheat by changing the lines for the midterms. And I think that they're trying to solidify their cheat potentially with the voting machines.

[Mike Lindell]

So Natalie Winters. Tina Peters is in prison in Denver, a medium security prison. It's pretty rough for women. She's a political prisoner. And you have Jasmine Crockett. She sounds like a guest on War Room, does she not, ma'?

[Natalie Winters]

Am, I think a guest on War Room Battleground aired only on Lindell tv. The most radical. The radical, the Friday night final segment slot. But Steve, this shows you how principally inconsistent and just hypocritical these people are. Because at the core of it, they know that they're running cover for a fraudulent election. And I think it's quite, quite interesting too, Steve. Obviously my beat being the Color Revolution, I mean, we sort of take it for granted, but it is sort of bizarre that all of the organizations that are actively sabotaging Trump are also concurrently in the left wing space of, you know, euphemistically securing and protecting elections. But I've never found a left leaning group that's actually set out to meaningfully fix these shortcomes in our third world, if not fourth world election system. What it is, is it's information warfare to try to deceive and dupe Americans into believing that there is not fraud and that there cannot be fraud. Case in point, this Brookings Report is trying to lie to Americans. And it's essentially propaganda, saying there's no issues with mail in ballots, not proposing a better way to do it. I think we can all agree there's ways to improve the system, but they have no interest in talking about that because like I said, it's information warfare.

[Mike Lindell]

This is today, because the two things they're freaking out this afternoon is about the Supreme Court and they're going after the Supreme Court. And of course, once they do away with the filibuster, they're going to try to pack the court to 13 associate justices from the nine they have today or the eight they have today with the leader of the Supreme Court, the Chief Justice. Then you have the conspiracy, the vast conspiracy effort. It was the lead story in the Daily Mail, so we know it's getting through. Tie those together in their cause. One, they're going to be defending, they're going to be defending against, essentially this conspiracy is to show the color revolution and how it started. What they did to stop Trump from taking office and then stop Trump from actually executing his office as President of the United States all the way through to the current time. You hear them today, they're in total meltdown about this, ma'.

[Natalie Winters]

Am. Well, I would also add that I think you're hearing the resurgence quite, resurgence quite heavily. I mean, you even saw it in the cold open of this idea of President Trump not leaving, which empirically is not true, even though he should not have left. If you look at it from a who actually won the election perspective, but that in and of itself is sort of rage baiting, if not laying the moral justification to the MSNBC audience to assassinate President Trump. Right. Look what happened at Berkeley. What was it last night at the Turning Point event where, oh, I guess the chief of police at Berkeley also happened to be very high up in the Capitol Police Division department during the January 6th and has some incident and has some interesting ties there. Right? So you sort of tie this all, all together. And like you always say, it's, it's pattern recognition because it's the same people who are both involved in election integrity, but also the lawsuits of the people who they are claiming to, you know, be opposing election integrity. Because at the end of the day, if you follow the money, this lie, this, the sort of original sin of the left wing ecosystem is that this is organic and that this is grassroots and that this is what the American people want. Right. It's not in the same way that it's paid protesters. These are paid litigators. Right. These are, these are paid talking heads on MSNBC where when you follow the money, sure, the paycheck might be coming from msnbc, but it's part of broader institutions like Brookings, like all the stuff that Norm has been involved with, which, by the way, it is Norm is his birthday today. So I think the war room, his number one fan, probably talk around the most. We should wish him a very happy birthday.

[Mike Lindell]

Norm Eisen, I think you have. Natalie, are you a fan? I think we have a fan here. Norm Eisen doesn't have a lot of fans. I think he has a fan. Spend so much time researching. I know it's like Stockholm center or something.

[Natalie Winters]

I know.

[Mike Lindell]

Too much, Too much. Hang around. We got more to talk about on this. And plus, you've got some amazing investigative report reporting that I know are going to upset people about the Chinese Communist Party. A couple things, gold bouncing back today. It's never the daily price. It's the process of how you get to value. Birchgold.com promo code Bannon the end of the dollar empire. Make sure you go seven free installments. We're working on an eighth to get you an understanding, a basic understanding of capital markets and paper currency, fiat currency in the relation to gold. Why gold is a hedge. I think that's what people are looking at it right now. Of course, central banks are purchasing it in record rates. As Philip Patrick and the team tell you. This is the key thing. We give you a relationship with Philip Patrick's team at birchgold. Birchgold.com, promo code Bannon End of the dollar empire. Get to Philip Patrick and his team today. Also want to give a hat tip. One of the bright spots of the Tuesday a couple weeks ago was Lee Wamsgan, who was the former political or comms director at the political arm of patriot mobile 972 patriot stop giving your money to people that hate you. This is the best mobile service around, run by patriots that give X amount of money, I think 10, 5%, 10% to different charities like veterans groups, etc. They support your values and they have the best mobile service out there because they lay it on top of all the three big carriers. Get all the details, call 972 Patriot and talk to wait for an American citizen in a call center in East Texas. Do it today. 972patriot we're going to leave you with the wild blue yonder. It is Veterans Day here in the war room. Short commercial break Natalie Winters is going to join me on the other side, the no out of the.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Nation.

[Charlie Kirk]

And.

[Mike Lindell]

People are celebrating like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You, you want people to die that you disagree with? Like, where are we right now on the scale of one to two, civil war, where are we? Are we at seven? Because I thought we were five. I thought we were like four, four or five. But after Charlie Kirk, then I'm like, oh, we might be like seven. This might be like step seven on, on the way to a bona fide civil war. As soon as you start celebrating like regular people celebrating somebody getting murdered in front of their wife and kid on television, in front of the whole world, as soon as you celebrate that, like, man, you're in dark territory. You're in dark territory. And if the worst thing you could say about that guy is that he said some things I disagree with and you're celebrating that he got shot in the neck in front of the world.

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Whoa.

[Mike Lindell]

And you work at an insurance company. This is nuts. And you thought it was okay to say that on Instagram? This is nuts. This is nuts. Like, what are you guys on? Like, what's happening here? Natalie Winters, particularly, what happened at Berkeley last night was a full scale riot outside. But the people that showed up, they packed it and just shows you how many people want to hear, want to go to the turning point things. But your thoughts about this. Joe Rogan's now waking up and I think it's a lot higher than seven, ma'. Am.

[Natalie Winters]

Well, look, I might have a radical take, but we are in the war room. I think it's fair to say that it's already underway. I maybe reject the framing of it as civil war. I think it's anything more of like a communist purge. As we were discussing a color revolution sort of a communist takeover with a mix of, you know, globalism and weird authority, authoritarian state Capitalism. But I also think you can look at it through the paradigm of what the Chinese Communist Party has done against the United States in terms of this sort of hybrid gray zone warfare. Economic warfare is, you know, debanking conservatives, robbing us of our livelihoods. Information warfare is censorship. And what legacy media has become in the fact checking apparatus, legal warfare is everything that we saw go on in January 6th and continue to go on. So by all of those metrics, I think it's fair to say a traditional maybe, you know, the assassination, assassination of Charlie Kirk marked it turning kinetic. But I think that there's already sort of a lot to go off of. But like I said, I think it's more of sort of a communist takeover than it is a civil war. Again, nuance there, but I think that's maybe how I view it.

[Mike Lindell]

Very, very nuanced. Natalie's going to stick around for the 6 o' clock hour. We got a lot more to go through. This is also why now that they're serious and you're seeing, well, they've been serious, but I mean really about stepping this up on the momentum about this situation, on the, on the grand conspiracy and you know, it's starting to break through. When the Daily Mail had its lead story for a couple hours yesterday, they're extremely worried about this because we take down the deep state, you're not going to have to worry about a civil war in this country full stop. They won't have the, they won't have the, the apparatus to pull off this color revolution. Mike Lindell, Trevor Konstock's with me. I'm going to get to Trevor in the 6 o' clock hour because I got to do this. Can we play the. And this is meant to be a little bit funny, but it's not funny, it's quite serious. I want you to listen to this. One of the most radical members and one of the biggest haters of President Trump in the MAGA movement to the core of her being. Let's go and play the clip.

[Natalie Winters]

You know that one of his friends has purchased Dominion. So it's going to be really important for us to educate all states that we can to make sure that their Secretary of State is like, we don't want the Dominion machines because I personally believe that that Ally purchased Dominion so that he could potentially play with the machines because we know that they're trying to cheat by changing the lines for the midterms. And I think that they're trying to solidify their cheat potentially with the voting machines.

[Mike Lindell]

She's one of the leading spokesmen for the Democratic Party. That's where the Democratic Party is. Tina Peters is in prison. Mike Lindell, they tried to bankrupt you and they're trying to put you in prison. And I said last night when I saw this clip, you know, give her a promo code. Now, I was trying to be cheap, but right there. No, but the seriousness of it is right there. You're seeing, you see them flip when they just. All they did was trash people, fight people, put people in jail, destroy people, go after the J6 er, destroy people, try to destroy you, try to destroy all your employees. Your thoughts, sir?

[Guest Caller or Listener]

Yeah, yeah. And it's, you know, this goes back, Steve. I was actually waiting for someone to come out with that. I was very surprised when Liberty Vote bought Dominion and they said, hey, we're gonna settle with everyone. They haven't settled with me yet. I was waiting for the media or someone like this gal to come out and go, hey, wait a minute. No, now the President's got the machine, so now they're going to steal. I'm going, really? You think there's problems with the machines? If everybody remembers, Steve, one of the first times I ever came on your show is when Dominion sued mypillow and myself back in February of 21. And you know what you said? You go, Mike, you know, Dominion sued not just you, but they sued my pillow. What say you? And you remember what I said? Use promo code Dominion to save up to 66% and. But this is, you know, you look. I look back on this, you guys, and it's like for me, you know, remember all the Democrats wanted to get rid of the machines in 2018 in the movie Kill Chain, Klobuchar and Harris and all of them. So this doesn't surprise me. I was waiting for someone to say it, but it is funny how they flip with the shoes on the other foot. My life and my pillow, they utterly tried to destroy. Destroy. Because I questioned the machines. And now they can. So what we're doing, everybody but for the. To fight back as always. We got the My pillow sale. We. This is how we. This is how we fight this. And you guys in the war room, this is the last day. We're doing a Veterans Day here. The Made in the USA sale, you guys, all of our products that are made in the USA, you see the my pillows there for 14.98. We're not, not gonna put a limit on them today. Today's the last day. Get as many as you want. Go to mypillow.com forward/war room. And there you see it, the big Made in the USA sale. That's our body pillows, our bolster pillows, our bed pillows, our mattress toppers. You guys as low as 100 and some, I don't know, $129. You guys, the they'll change your bed into the best bed ever. Our roll and go pillows, our Made in America socks. You guys in our beds. You guys have all responded. Get your mattress today. They're not only on sale, but they get free shipping right to your front door. You guys call 800-873-1062. You get a USA employee and that they've tried to destroy taking your calls. And you guys have been awesome. Remember, today's the last day for the big Made in the USA sale. Steve, thank you so much for having us on every day. Thank you supporting my pillow.

[Mike Lindell]

Got to now that Jasmine Crockett's a fan, we're doing our we're doing a good job, right, Mike Lindell, we'll see you tomorrow morning in the morning edition of the War Room. Want to thank you. One of my favorite tunes, Anchors Away will take us out. Six o' clock hour. Natalie's going to join. Get a little to clean up on the color revolutions and what's going on. Want to talk a little economics and capital markets, particularly where AI is going to get the money because guess what? They're looking for you. Plus the Chinese Communist Party. All next hour in the War room. When your company earns unlimited 2% cash back on all purchases with Capital One, that's serious business. So Stephen at Sandcloud got a serious business card, the Spark Cash plus card from Capital One. We used our 2% cash back to help build our retail presence. Savvy Steven. And we get big purchasing power so our business can spend more and earn more. The SparkCash card from Capital One. What's in your wallet? Terms and conditions apply. Find out [e-mail] SparkCashPlus this is an iHeart podcast.