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This is an iHeart podcast, Guaranteed Human.
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We believe that outside the United nations, this is the largest gathering of global leadership of the post Covid period of time. For many people, this meeting feels out of step with the moment. We hear all about the elites and how does that play out in an age of populism? How does an established institution make a difference in an era of deep institutional mistrust? And there's some truth to the critique. I believe in this forum for a long time. I certainly wouldn't be leading this if I didn't believe that we can change and make the world better. But it's also obvious that the world now places far less trust in us to help shape what comes next. The World Economic Forum is going to be useful going forward. It has to regain that trust. Many of the people most affected by what we talk about here will never come to this conference. That's the central tension of this forum. Davos is an elite gathering trying to shape a world that belongs to everyone. That is why this year's theme is the spirit of dialogue. Because dialogue is the only way a room like this can earn the legitimacy to show shape ideas for people who aren't in the room.
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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies, because we're going medieval on these people. There's no got a free shot on all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
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It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share the big lie? MAGA I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban. It's Tuesday the 20th of January in the year of our Lord 2026. So it's the first anniversary of President Trump's return to power. And with everything that has happened over the last year and the urgency that President Trump has hit, so many different kind of vertical sectors. And we do realize that that's what we're trying to pick up. Although they've had a massive technical problem, Stewart Rhodes and his folks are outside the White House and they're arguing for the Insurrection act in Minneapolis. I think people realize that the Insurrection act, these sanctuary cities, that the number one priority for us as A country with everything we've got going on is the sovereignty and security of the United States. And clearly, President Trump is walking through geopolitically, geostrategically, elements that he thinks important to that national security. The highest priority has got to be our sovereignty here. We must deport the 12 to 20 million or more illegal alien invaders that came on Biden's watch. If you don't do that, you don't have a country. And you see what's happening in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, is that even trying to get the worst of the criminals out there, these progressives and essentially progressive whites, these beta males and these Karens are what they call awful. The what? These women that are just, you know, their harridans, they're just. It's amazing. They're just intruding and interfering in not just ICE operations, but the situation in the Christian church the other day is beyond the pale. And you have to bring charges right away. You have to, I think, invoke the Insurrection act and clean up that mess. And then you got to get tough and clean up the mess in Chicago and in Los Angeles and in New York City. This is not going to be pleasant, but it has to be done. That's the first order. And people want to look away from it, but can't look away. The number two is you got to get to the deep state. And of course, we had John Solomon on here. There are things going on in South Florida. There's other investigations going on, but we have to move more with a sense of urgency. And the sense of urgency is that we are burning daylight. And they understand that, remember, time's on their side. We have Nor bin Laden joins us from Davos. She's an expert in the deep state and what needs to be done to take it down. It shouldn't be lost on people. When I talk Geo strategically about this firestorm that's in Europe right now at Davos, about Greenland and some of it about Canada. It's all about if you look at the Greenland situation, then go around to the Indian Ocean to Diego Garcia, and then go all the way around the Eurasian landmass to Japan, all three. And Scott Bessen saying today, hey, a lot of the turmoil in the markets is because the Japanese bond market's up in revolt, about a new financial plan that this young female prime minister is putting forward as she goes to a snap election, because people love the fact that she and President Trump are working together and she's got tremendous support. She wants to build a bigger parliamentary majority. All Three of those, the underpinnings are financial difficulties. The one in Greenland is that the Danes had a massive financial problem a couple of years ago. We were actually fairly close to a deal in the first term. Ron Lauder was representing the country and the President and trying to negotiate that deal. It fell apart as soon as it was leaked because Europe went crazy. You can't give up Greenland. The situation in Diagrsia, finally today, the President goes, hey, this thing's ridiculous. And that's partly because the Brits feel that they've got to withdraw because they don't have the financial. I mean, they're in a financial crisis right now. And of course, in Japan, you saw the triggering of at least a mini financial turmoil in that. Ursula van der Leyen gave this speech she threw down. I mean, she took part of that speech, I think, from the end of the dollar empire. That's why. Go get it today. She talked about Nixon coming off the gold stand. We make a huge deal about this. It was central to Bretton woods, to the monetary structure of the world's economy post World War II. And Nixon just kind of. I shouldn't just say kind of, but it was over a weekend at Camp David. They came up with the idea to do this and to pull out, pull us off the gold standard, which is what exactly happened. Even FDR didn't do that. It was really President Nixon that did that. Ursula van der Leyen, she made the case, if you paid attention to what she was saying, I'll play that later in the show, hopefully. About a new monetary order. Carney said the exact same thing in Beijing. Talked about backing the Chinese currency. His words, not ours. You see how these people are thinking. They want to make sure that America is not the power that it is today. And trust me, you ain't running $2 trillion a year deficits, no matter how much the economy's growing, you're not going to be able to handle that 39 or $40 trillion in debt if you're not the prime reserve currency. I know a lot of people in the audience say, well, we shouldn't have. This puts burdens for us to be all over the world. I agree with you. It puts on us massive obligations. But just given where we are as a country, it ain't so easy just to pull out and not be the prime reserve currency anymore. We have a big enough problem with the financial situation. We have Scott Bessen, once again. Remember, his whole thing was 333 early on when he was supporting President Trump in the 2024 election with 3% interest rates, principally a 3% deficit to GDP. They were inherited a 7% or 6.9%, the exact percentage that France has right now. That is unsustainable. Scott said, hey, if you really do the math, in fiscal year 25, we're down to 5.4%. So the slope is important here. Larry Fink, what a beauty that open was from a year or two ago. But it shows you how dangerous this guy is. And don't pay any attention. You gotta look below the surface of what he's saying. I'm gonna bring in nor now. And here's one of the central things he said today, because he's Mr. AI now. They're all Mr. AI, all these progressives. They were all the climate change guys. They were all the guys. You got to go to intermittent power. You got to go to solar. You got to. I mean, elon Musk is Mr. Electric Battery, Mr. Mr. Ev. Right? Got to do it. Got to have all this. Must do it. Climate change, climate change, climate change, climate change. All of them, they were the worst. And it had to be solar powered, had to be wind power. You know, it couldn't. You couldn't have nuclear, and you certainly couldn't be burning gas. Well, guess what? Because of their energy needs, Larry Fink, we can get that clip right again. You can't have intermittent power. Solar and wind doesn't do it. Yo, they need good old. By the way, they burned the dirtiest coal in the world to power AI. Larry Fink was central to esg. He was central to the whole climate. Forget dei. Bad enough ESG and DEI combined, Pooh. Forget it. You have a different culture, a different society. It's one of the reasons in the strategic memo that was put out, civilizational erasure.
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Up in your grill. Why? Because of unmitigated immigration and migration into their countries and no assimilation, coupled with policies that are like cult, like. In their bizarreness, Germany went from a major industrial power to that $1.1 trillion of trade surplus. The Chinese Communist Party has so much of that dumped into Germany. Why the Germans being the Germans? Because there's a degree of weirdness there. The Germans wholeheartedly embrace Larry Fink and climate change like nobody's business. They deindustrialized their society. That's what Larry Fink was calling for. He was calling for a deindustrialization so that the world could get along and we could have a group hug. He was dead wrong. And he admits today or yesterday in Davos, that he's dead wrong. Look, bro, those kind of calls are not on the margin. These are things you can't walk back. So this is why he's a dangerous individual. Cuz he'll get a half cocked idea in some guy. He's just a bond salesman. Larry Fink's no financial genius is a bond guy. A bond salesman like Howard Lutnick, he knows some similarity. And they're always promoting. They're bond salesmen. So it's not like these guys are towering intellects nor Bin Laden. You've been watching this crowd dealing with them forever. Walk me through your assessment. And that was a brilliant clip you had of the dangers of the new mayor of Davos, Mr. Larry Fink.
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I just want to say, Steve, everything you just talked about, all of it is connected. And that speech that Ursula von der Leyen gave today was, I agree, very important. And it's very important that the posse goes and listens to it. And she mentioned the Nixon shock of 1971, which was a critical year, coincidentally, it was the first year of the World Economic Forum. But what I wanted to say is that so much can be traced back to that era and the following years leading up to today. And that's also when they opened up China. And what I want to say about the second half of the 20th century, it is so clear that a war was declared on the US Economy and that the globalist plan was in fact to displace the entire manufacturing base out of the US Into China. And they essentially made China the manufacturing superpower that it is today. So none of this is coincidence. This has been very much planned. And what I found also interesting today is that you had this key speech by Ursula von der Leyen. You also had a special address by President Macron and Vice Premier Hai Defeng of China. And if you listen to this three speech, they're essentially the same. They are in total lockstep promoting multilateralism, countering the Trump Doctrine and calling for, you know, the, and saying how essentially these tariffs are unacceptable. And it's exactly the same messaging that they're telegraphing to the world via the Forum. The World Economic Forum.
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Can you hang on? I think we'll get. We're going to go to Colorado for Tina Peters and we got Tom Fitton. But I need you to hang around for the bottom of the hour. We got a lot to talk about. And one thing I want you to think about before you get your back, one of the most brilliant people we have in the engine room. And these are volunteers who watch a lot of news and watch things like recovering. One of the most brilliant has spent the last day, two days watching Davos and particularly the breakout sessions. She's warning that the public private partnerships are literally has not changed. In fact, they're getting more aggressive. And you're seeing a form of state capitalism based upon the Chinese Communist Party model that she said is unleashed. And unless it's addressed and addressed immediately, we're going to have a new governance structure in the world. And you can tell already the difficulties we've got with the NGOs here in the United States. But this is far different. Anyway, Nour bin Laden joins us from Switzerland as she keeps her her eye on all things Davos. Allfamilypharmacy.com Bannon10 you get 10% off. Break the stranglehold of not just big pharma, but break the stranglehold of the pharmaceutical distribution from the drug stores to McKesson, these distributors, AllFamilyPharmacy.com, the team there, built this entire apparatus to serve you. You can get every prescription you need. You've got licensed professionals to do it. But go check it out today. AllFamilyPharmacy.com, bannon10 Kill America's Voice family Are.
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Through, because I'm exclusively at Getter. I went through this morning. I see all my Tom Fitton clips, the, the people over at getterlovefin and always putting this stuff up. So, Tom, you had one that might have been from yesterday you put up on Twitter, but I caught it this morning about Fauci. We got two things. One is two of our favorite topics. In fact, they're the two topics, ladies and gentlemen, that we were banned in all the major platforms in the world in perpetuity, Fauci and elections. Let's start with Fauci. What do you got for us, sir?
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Well, you know, a few years ago, we Got the statement or the plan that EcoHealth wanted to run with the Wuhan Institute for creating coronaviruses. And they literally talk about creating, and this is their word, not mine, mutant viruses to see if they will infect humans or what the potential for human infection is. So, you know, when I was thinking, you know, we talk about gain of function, right? It never occurred to me to call them mutant viruses. That's what was in the official proposal to the government that was funded that later turned into specifically gain of function that they gamed and ignored and continued to talk around and ignore and basically allow to continue, despite the dangerous research. And when you see them working with humanized mice to create in these documents mutant viruses with the hopes of seeing viruses that are more susceptible to being transmitted to human beings from bats, you gotta wonder, what is this, a suicide pact we're in or something else? And, you know, to me, they promised no gain of function. They were caught time and time again during the Obama administration, during the Trump administration, as engaging in gain of function research. And that's fraud. When you say you're going to spend money to do one thing, knowing you're going to do the other, that's fraud. And anyone who is involved in that needs to be criminally investigated, including Dr. Fauci, because that pardon, as we know, ain't valid. I don't understand why it's not a priority for the Justice Department.
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It's not a priority because I don't. I don't know if anything. Look, you've been fighting this for years, and they've been pushing back at you. Do you believe that the Justice Department is taking anything about the deep state because Foushee is part of that. Do you think they're taking anything about the deep state at the priority that. That you and I think they should be taking it at?
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No. I mean, maybe they want to, but I'm not seeing any evidence that it's happening. And I think they're kind of reactive and overwhelmed. They react to things. They try to do things in response to specific public outrages as something pops up here and here and again. But in terms of, like, the proactive, look, we got to take care of this gain of function, make sure it never happens again, and punish those who created Covid, because that's what looks like happened. Certainly they were defrauding Americans by taking their money for dangerous research that people think created Covid. We've got to have some accountability there. They tried to destroy a republic last year. Why do we still have an FBI that is largely untouched in terms of firings, in terms of being cutbacks. Well, you know, and we could complain about the Justice Department Congress last week. I mean, didn't they just fully fund the FBI last week? The Republicans did, after complaining that they were being spied upon by the same FBI. I mean, it's, it, you know, what you're hearing is my cold, but you're also hearing my frustration. I can barely talk because of it.
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Tom, talk to me about also, it's not simply Fauci, it's not simply the deep state. Now, we've heard they've got this grand jury in Florida, but that's only one small part of it. Talk to me about also the election fraud, the ballots down in Fulton County. You know, we're sending sharply worded letters, but there's no US Marshals kicking down doors and seizing ballots. There's no aggressive program to actually President Trump keeps putting on True Social. The 2020's election was stolen. We know that we were banned on every platform because we fought for, we fought for that. The reason you came back and had the greatest historic comeback in world political history is because of that. The reason that we're commemorating and celebrating the first year of your second term is because of that. But we still need to get to the we know we have the evidence. We have to get to the bottom and show to the public so that people are held accountable who stole the election and it can never happen again for either political party here in this republic.
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Tom Fenton, I think the challenge now is that Harmeet Dhillon is supposed to be doing everything. Her agency is understaffed in terms of having good lawyers around her. She doesn't have the team. And internally in the Justice Department, they really don't care about what the Civil Rights division does on these areas. So she's doing her own thing as much as she can. But it's clearly not all hands on deck approach that to uncovering this fraud. I mean, look, we were in court. We just got a Supreme Court victory last week affirming the inherent right of candidates to challenge the fraudulent counting of votes. You know, the majority rejected this Justice Department's view, which had a more narrow standing for candidates that would have prevented some of the 2020 challenge challenges from happening. So imagine from my perspective, yes, the Justice Department agrees that candidates should have standing the challeng voting issues in court, but they don't want to get too broad. They don't want to make people give candidates broad access to the courts to stop elections from being Stolen. I don't understand it. I really don't. And on top of that, we just found out that Oregon, in response to our federal lawsuit to remove names, is actually going to remove 800,000 names from its rolls. And again, this is a year of the Justice Department. They filed suits to get access to records. They haven't joined our lawsuits, for example, to clean the records up directly, which is what we're doing. I mean, why is judicial watch getting 800,000 names removed from a state voting list a year after Trump administration comes in with no help from the Justice Department or immaterial help, as far as I'm concerned.
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Tom, where do people go to find out everything you're working on over Judicial Watch? We want to make sure everybody's up to speed on this. And it is quite shocking that the Justice Department is not joining you in these. In these suits. Where do people go?
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They can go to judicialwatch.org or on accident at. Tom Fitton, that Judicial watch. We're on YouTube, we're on rumble. You know, we're all over the place. And, you know, I suggest they start just paying attention to the work. They could do worse than just to follow our lead. I mean, that would be. That would be exponentially better in terms of results and reassuring people they're concerned about these issues if they just kind of followed our lead on a lot of disclosures that still need to be made and, you know, the criminal cases and such. To me, it's just shocking that there hasn't been anything substantial done yet on the warfare against President Trump. I mean, it's not a statute of limitations issues, Steve. It's a political deadline they're facing, and it's going to get too late in the day politically to get this done.
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Amen. I couldn't agree with you more. Tom Fitton. By the way, Twitter, where do people go on Twitter to follow you and your actions?
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Yeah, it's omfitton and it's Judicial Watch, and, you know, with the biggest grassroots group in the country on the conservative side when it comes to fighting government corruption and, you know, I don't know.
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You get this work done.
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I just wish others in his administration had the same gusto.
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The same sense of urgency and that we're burning daylight. Shake that cold. Tom Fenton. We can't lose. You got to be ready for combat all the time.
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I appreciate it. Thank you.
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One of the best, if not the best. Tom Fenton. I'm sorry, is it Todd Blanche? Is he at the sticks? Okay, let me go to do I Have Apollo. Let me get Apollo Pappas on here and I'll play the clip when we come back. Apollo, just get you, you run Tina Peters site, you do the show for her while she's incarcerated. Just give us an assessment. Last night we've been totally blocked out by the California Bureau of Prisons and Polis and all this, you know, Jenna Griswold, that entire crowd. Yet they leaked last night, I think local TV stations, some of the footage, at least it looks like some of the footage from a Colorado prison. What's your assessment of that? We're gonna play when we come back so people can see it in its entirety. What's your assessment, sir, of what's going on?
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Well, first of all, it's fascinating that nine News, which is a lefty news outlet that likes to hate on Tina Peters and anyone related to election fraud or President Trump, got the footage before Tina's own attorneys. I did just actually get off with Tina and her attorneys, though. They're on a video conference. So she gave me a play by play. When people watch the video just, there's a moment just before on camera, what it appears and what the news is trying to create is the idea that Tina just charged out of the closet at this inmate. You can see that there's a moment where the inmate lunges. And I just heard from Tina's own words that when that inmate approached the closet that she was filling up this reservoir in. The inmate says, you disrespected me and starts essentially, you know, heckling her. And Tina says, it's all right, it's not a big deal. Calm down. And then the inmate lunges, actually straight strikes at Tina. And after that point, Tina comes out. At that point, you can see Tina's left arm is already grabbing the inmate's right arm. So contact was made off camera. And the news is of course, using it to make Tina Peters look like an aggressor. But that's no surprise. They've done everything that they can to slander her and the actions that she took regarding the image in Colorado. But regarding the charges and the, the statements that have come out. And there you can see it on Apollo.
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Apollo.
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Apollo. Apollo. Hang on for one second. We're going to take a short commercial break. A minute or two. We're going to come right back to you. Also, the great Ben Berkwam is in the field and I believe he's got Todd Blanch, the Deputy Attorney General of these United States, all next in the war room. Here's Your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, let's go. We've actually got Ben Berkwam has the Deputy Attorney General of the United States, Todd Blanche, with him. Ben, I'm not sure. Does Todd Blanche, Rehab? Ben, not so much. Okay, fine. We're trying to pick it up in the field out, I think in Los Angeles. So we're having a little technical difficulty. Stuart Rose had a little technical difficulty today across from the White House. We're going to get all these sorted as we can get them sorted. Let's go back to Apollo if we can. For right now. Let's go ahead, Apollo. Here's what I'm going to do. Let's bring Apollo in. Pappas, can we play the clip? Apollo, can you walk us through the clip? Because there's no sound. Just walk. This is the women's prison, medium security. I guess it was high security because it's the only medium security prison for women in Colorado. Can you walk us through what we're seeing here, sir? Let's go ahead and play it.
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Sure. So here you can see Tina is performing essentially porter duty and she's bringing this, it's a unit, a cooling unit, over to this maintenance closet so that she can fill it up because there's a water reservoir. So you'll see her open the door to this closet and bring the unit in there. When she opens the door, she is pulling the unit in to make sure it's clearing the door. So in a few seconds, you will see the inmate walk up to the door and Tina's head is between that unit and the door closest to the camera right here. The unit approaches and starts saying, you're disrespecting me. And right before she comes out, you can very clearly see that the inmate lunges in, pushing off of her back foot and striking at Tina. So Tina tried to calm the situation down. She pushed her out. Her left arm was restraining the inmate's right hand that she was striking her with, and the other arm was pushing her back. Once she calmed down, Tina disengaged and walked away. So they're trying to say that this was an assault and that Tina was clearly the aggressor. But truly, it's just an unfortunate camera angle. And the news is going to do exactly what they always do. They're going to try to paint Tina as the aggressor and discredit her, especially on the heels of the very damning, in many ways, appellate hearing that just happened regarding her prosecution.
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Okay, so tell me about the appellate hearing about the prosecution. This is where Polis has talked about some sort of clemency because of the over the top nature of the charges and what her sentence was. Now you're in an appellate court. Paolo, take a second to walk through that.
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Well, Paul has said that the sentencing was extreme. Anyone with a pulse and IQ over 50 could tell you that given what happened in the case. But very serious issues were raised by the appellate judges. And in their own words, they described very clearly the jury being misinstructed, charges being read to the jury and presented in court as misdemeanors, but charges felonies. The Colorado's attorney tried to defend the idea that you could be tried on one charge and convicted on another if the charges fit First Amendment issues. Tina's inability to speak to her intent, which is important because it is not only part of the felony charge, part of the language, but also because it was included in sentencing that Judge Barrett used to sentence her concurrently to this massive sentence. So there were multiple issues raised in that appellate hearing that should cost her.
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Can you hang, you hang on for one second. We're going to come back to you. We've got the our own Ben Berkwam is in the field and he's got the deputy attorney general of the United States with him. Ben Berkwam, what are you guys working on today and how did you possibly land an interview with Todd Blanche?
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Well, we're here at shot show Steve down supporting the Second amendment crossing the country. But you know, last time I saw Deputy AG Blanche was actually at the hearing in Washington in New York York City on the attacks on President Trump and all of that nonsense. So just a guy I've looked up to for a long time. And now we're going after bad guys, going after with ICE and DEA and FBI and the all of government approach. So basically going with the AG and talking about what they're doing to arrest the bad guys and make right what was made wrong in the last administration.
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Deputy Attorney General Todd, I've had the honor of knowing you for many years. A lot of people may not know that you stepped up in the darkest days of President Trump, the law for against President Trump and stood up to defend him when the whole legal profession and the whole media was against that. Can you just tell us what did you learn from that? What did you learn about the president as a person? What did you learn in those years when you were one of the few prominent lawyers in the country that would step up and defend him?
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Look, the man that you see Every day on TV is. There's no. He's not acting. That's exactly who he is. And I saw that every single day when I represented him. And he would, everybody around him would be frustrated and would say, what is going on? What's happening? And he would say, we're just going to fight, fight, fight, which is what he did. And you see it now, now that he. He's president again, you see him doing exactly the same thing that he did for two years when he was being. And not only him, but his entire family, our entire movement was being attacked and assaulted by the Biden administration and by the left. And you just were talking about it with Ms. Peters. It happened all across this country. And so President Trump is the person that represents all of us and that stands up for all of us. But what he would say to me and what he. Because he believes it, is that it's not just about him. It's about everybody else in the country that had to go through what we went through. And look, Steve, you talk about this on War Room almost every day, unwinding that filth and unwinding all that. Everything that happened over the past four years takes time and takes a lot of effort. And we've made strides. We have a lot more to do. And so I'm out here at Shot show talking about what we've done with the Second Amendment. We have prosecutors that we just sent to Minnesota over the past three days. We have over a dozen brand new prosecutors showing up there. Well, not brand new, experienced prosecutors, but brand new to Minnesota. And we're going to take care of what's happening there every day. And so we're doing a lot of great stuff, and it's all because of President Trump.
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I want to make an analogy, and you obviously are going to answer how you answer. But I see that we're in the same problem we had back in 21 and 22, that there were a few courageous individuals like yourself that stood up. And at the time, you were not maga, Right. I think you were actually a Democrat at the time. You stood up when most of the legal profession would not. And I'm talking about the major law firms would not. And President Trump had this situation. I had this situation. General Flynn, many of the people that are at the forefront of this movement had the exact same situation where we had law firms we had worked with for years because of client pressure, they couldn't represent you anymore. It seems to me that we have one of the issues we've got at Main justice and the thing is a manpower issue, and a lot of that is because I don't know if it's the Federalist Society or the major conservative law firms. They're not. They're not either not saying their best or not giving you the resources that you need. And this is when President Trump is maniacally focused on the blue slip situation. I think we've only gotten 14 of the 92. I think it is U.S. attorneys through, but also in main Justice. I mean, there's just a manpower problem here. You've got so many priorities, right? Not just from anti, you know, the, the antitrust department, but everything with lawfare, with the deep State. What's happening with this insurrection? We've got a press conference we're going to go to of guys calling for the Insurrection act across the street from the White House. What can you tell the audience about the manpower constraints that you're seeing at Justice? And quite frankly, the conservative movement, that is, they were part of the problem back in 21. They really weren't helping President Trump. That's why Boris and others reached out to you, given your expertise and your toughness. We've got the same problem today, sir.
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Totally. Well, let me justi want to go back for a minute, Steve, because I've wanted to talk to you about this for a long time. I have been MAGA and I've been a Republican long before I represented President Trump. I was the onlyone of the few lawyers that stood up to represent Paul Manafort in New York. Years before I represented President Trump, Trump, I represented Igor Fruman in the lawfare against him and sdny and then obviously Boris and then President Trump. So the narrative that I just became mag, it just became Republican is one spread by the New York Times and Maggie Haberman. And so we should quash that because it's completely false. Now, you are totally right. You could not be more right, Steve, that we have a talent problem because people are still afraid to come work at doj. There are still patriots that are lawyers around this country, and I'm sure they want to come. But whether it's their mentors, whether it's organizations that aren't encouraging them to do it, you're right. Like when Jack Smith was called to be the special Counsel, he got 100 resumes, day one. All right? I go everywhere I speak. I beg young lawyers, I beg lawyers who are, whether they're district attorneys, whether they're just out of law school, just out of clerkships, to take a chance and come stand for what's right. And stand for America and stand for justice. And I'll say it to you right now, lawyers that want to come work at DOJ or work at our U.S. attorney's offices, just email us and let us know. Because you hit the nail right on the head when you said that. Because it's easy for the president to say that. Here's a 10 things we have to do to fix the justice system. But that takes prosecutors, that takes good, hard lawyers that don't. They're not looking for their next job. They're not worried about where they're going to go after they leave the Department of Justice. They just want to come here and do what's right. And we're looking for them. And we have good lawyers, we have great lawyers, but we need more. And so you're definitely not wrong about that. I do see some similarity between when I represent a president and I had to leave my partnership. I lost most my friends and, you know, had to find lawyers to come work with me to run.
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No, no, no, Hang on, but, hang on, hang on, hang on. But tell people that they never heard that story. You were a very prominent guy at a great law firm. Talk to us. People have to understand this. One of the problems we have is that, and this is what's scary about it, the deep state in this kind of radical judiciary, in these radical law schools and now in these law firms, they think they're going to win. They think they're just going to wait us out. Talk to the story about what happened to you when you went and this guy was a president of the United States and about to start the process and the journey because of you and your great work defending him against all odds to become the greatest political comeback in the history, probably of the world. But talk to about what happened to you personally.
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G
So when the president asked me to represent him, I flew down with my wife to Mar a Lago. We had a phenomenal dinner. He's a great man. We clicked. My wife clicked with him. I knew that it would be something that would work. I went to myi was a full equity partner at the oldest law firm in America. And I went to them and they had like a committee that voted on things like that. And it was more or less two Republicans, two Democrats and another Democrat. And after much thought and consideration, they said I couldn't represent President Trump. And I went home that night and they called me and they said, don't worry, you'll get other good cases. And I said, no, I'm quitting. And my wife ordered. Opened up a law firm the next day, and President Trump appeared in court with me by his side the following Tuesday. So. And I never regretted it. The fact that I'm the deputy Attorney general, the fact that President Trump won, I have never regretted that decision going into the. Because then we had Jack Smith smash us twice, and then he smashed us again, and then we had Fannie Willis smash us. And I sat there for two years next to President Trump, watching him. And, you know, a lot of people may take credit for the fact that he won, but the only person that really deserves the credit is him, because he's the one. As he says all the time, how many politicians get indicted six separate times and still win? All right, never happened. That's not the lawyer. That's the man. And so he's great. And so I don't regret doing what I did. And now working at the Department of Justice, which is a tough job, and every day we're battling Deep State, we're battling years and years, even going Back to Trump, 45 prosecutors in a system that isn't doing what we need to get done. But guess what?
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We're here.
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I'm not going anywhere, and it's going to work. So.
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A
President Trump, you know, people have the highest regard for Grassley, but even his, you know, aide de camp, Mike Davis, is saying about this blue slip situation, I know the president is obsessed by it. Can you just give us a minute to explain exactly what that is? Because I think people are shocked that we only have 14 President Trump U.S. attorneys, and I believe you have 92 slots to fill. Can you just walk us through that for a second? Because I know the President is saying this is one of the most urgent things we have and we should actually do away with blue slips. It's.
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G
Yes, it's a very easy way to explain this in two separate ways. One is a nominated U.S. attorney, like Jay Clayton for the Southern District of New York. Okay. This is a brilliant lawyer who ran Sullivan and Cromwell, who was the confirmed Commissioner of the SEC under the first. Under Trump, 45. Okay? No issues, no blemishes. Was on the board of Apollo. After he left being Commissioner of the SEC, President Trump nominated him to be the U.S. attorney in Manhattan. Senator Schumer and Senator Gillibrand did not give him the courtesy of a call or an interview. Okay. And under the rules, if they don't return blue slips, Jay just stays there. He can't go forward out of the committee. He can't go to a vote. They wouldn't give him the courtesy of an interview. Okay. And so what has to happen is then you have to have this system where the judges have to vote you in and they vote voted jn. So we're okay in Manhattan, but you go across the river to New Jersey. Every single member of the bench, with the exception of two, were nominated by Democrats. Again, it's because of the blue slip. Because if President Trump wants to put a person as a district court judge, both senators have to return blue slips. And so in places like New Jersey, there are. They just wait it out. President Trump cannot put a nominated person that he, he chooses in New Jersey in the district court. Cannot do it because of the blue slip process. So what happened in New Jersey because of that? They're all Democrats. And so when Alina Haba, same thing happens. The senators won't even meet with her to talk to her about her nomination, so she sits. So then when the judges go to vote, they're all Democrats except for two, and so they don't vote her in. All right, so think about that. Not only do we not even get interviews with senators who speak supposed to be doing their jobs, but the judges that are going to have to vote are all Democrats because of those same senators control the blue slip process. And I love Mike Davis like you do, and I think he's right. President Trump has said it. We have to have a fix. The blue slip process has saved Republicans, too, but the Democrats are so much better than us at using it to their strategic advantage, and it's working. So, yeah, we have a big problem with our U.S. attorneys because we, we've nominated rock star, rock star men and women to represent the president and his administration throughout the country. And in most cases, unless it's a very red state, and with a few exceptions, blue states, we don't get the blue slips. So, Steve, it's a. Yeah, it's a big problem.
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A
I know you've got to bounce. Just last question. How can this audience. Because this audience, when it puts its shoulder to the wheel, as you know, can move heaven and earth? What do you need from the war on Posse? What assistance do you guys need at Main justice right now to make sure that all this lawfare nonsense that went along for years, that came close to destroying this republic, until, quite frankly, Boris was able to put you together with the president and form a legal team that fought through, what, six different indictments? 92 indictments, 300 years in prison. Just ridiculous. They want him to die in prison. What do you need this audience to do to help you guys at Main Justice.
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G
Listen, man, I'm not trying to blow smoke up your ass, but the only thing I need you to do is keep doing what you're doing. I mean, we hear every time that you get your warriors to do what they do every day. And your show exposes every corner of issues that matter to President Trump and they matter to me and they matter to the Attorney general as well. So I don't need you to do anything except for keep on doing what you're doing. We hear you and we're working. I promise you. We are not resting on our laurels. We are doing everything we can to do to make sure every one of President Trump's priorities are actually not only put into action, but actually solidified so they last beyond the president. So thank you, Steve. I appreciate it. I love chatting with you.
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A
What is your social media? Where do people follow you, Sir?
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G
I have an X account and a true social account of Dag Todd Blanche.
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A
Dag Todd Blanche. Thank you for taking the time to do this, Ben. Thank you for setting up. Appreciate it, sir.
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G
Right on. Thanks, Steve.
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Thanks, Steve.
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The problem they have, the central problem they have is that the Federal Society, the major conservative law firms, let's say it exactly like it, is the same people that would not come and assist President Trump because they thought President Trump was done. You talk about the dark days of 21 being debanked and de platformed. The other is that the lawyers quit. It's not the individual lawyers fault. These law firms, the corporate clients, I keep telling you, the most progressive entities in this nation aren't the governments or even the NGOs, these corporations, corporations. The corporations came to lawyers that represented a host of people. Whether it was the president, the president, whether it's myself, General Flynn, I could go on and on. Tom Barrack, I go on and on and on. And you got fired by your law firms because the law firm, the partner said, hey, I got to do it, man. You know, you're my client, I'm close to you. We're personally close. But I can't do it because the executive committee of the firm is going to throw us out because the corporate clients have told us, anybody around Trump, any Trump's people, any of the people regarding J6, the Tina Peters of the world, if you represent them, the corporate clients are going to go, this is the corporate America. This is how the system works, folks. Now, at justice, you have the exact same problem. The Federal Society, the big conservative law firms, where you have the Democrats when they Come, like I said, Jack Smith had 100 resumes. They ain't got 100 resumes for these things. This is why things are taking longer. I'm not sitting there going, hey, the priorities are not right. Ba boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. There's a lot of issues working out, but the principal issue, there are just not enough quality bodies of prosecutors and people that go to main justice. And nobody wants to talk about it because the federal society has been the traditional powerhouse in conservative legal circles. And they've done tremendous in the first term. Remember, we put Leonard Leo worked with us to put the list together for Supreme Court justices. We put it another list when I took over the campaign, why we needed to reconvince people. President Trump was actually a conservative. We put out the expanded list of the additional 20, of which, surprise, a relatively unknown judge in Colorado named Gorsuch was on so, and Mike Davis helped that, et cetera. We have a problem. We have a massive crisis. This crisis. We don't have the legal talent because the conservative side, they think Trump's just a passing storm and they don't want to get involved. Apollo, one more time. We just got a couple of minutes here. I want to take the rest of time and I'll get back to just have noor hang on and we're going to have a five o' clock show. It's going to be incredible. But, Apollo, give me just a minute or two. What we need to do on this Tina Peters, because clearly they've never released anything. They keep everything silent. As soon as they get some video that's kind of hard to see and what's going on, they leak it to these liberal progressive TV stations in Denver and they want to bury Tina Peters. What they want to do, remember here, they want to bring additional charges against Tina Peters and keep her in prison for 20 years. They want Tina Peters to die in prison. Let me be blunt. Like, they wanted Trump to die in prison. Apollo Pappas, your thoughts, sir?
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F
Yeah, you're absolutely right. First of all, everyone, just bear in mind in real time you have a hearing that shows on several points, each one taken separately, that her prosecution and her convictions should have been the result of a mistrial, and they clearly were. If you listen to the testimony and the questioning of the appellate judges, I think it's going to be exceptionally difficult for them to rule on anything else. They could potentially rule on resentencing, but even that I think will be a travesty of justice. And if you listen to that hearing and understand her Case, it's clear that really what happened is Tina Peters is an egregious victim of the weaponization of government, second perhaps only to President Trump and a few others. On top of that, there is testimony from herself and a lot of details from violations of rights as well as administrative regulations within La Vista that have been handed off to Apollo Civil Rights division at the Department of Justice. So there's a lot going on where they want her. Yes, sir.
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A
Yeah, we want to, we want to have you back on going right now. Where does the audience go to get all this information? What's the website to go to, how they get the show, how they get more access to you? We'll have you back on and go in detail where they go right now.
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F
Tina Peters dot us for everything. Tina Peters for show where you can donate. She certainly needs help on her legal defense. She has a lot of bills and there are several tracks that are going to be very time consuming and very costly. You can follow me at ApolloPapaSanx and I do my best to update on Tina Peters as much as I can there, but tinapeters us is the place to be.
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You're doing amazing work. Trust me, you're doing amazing work. Apollo. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. I'll call you after the show. Nor bin Laden is going to join us, hopefully, if not this evening, if I can't keep her up, then tomorrow. Mike Lindell, brother. Been a tough morning. A good morning here in the war room but we need a deal. What's the deal you got for us.
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