The War Room with Stephen K. Bannon – Ep. 4948

Date: November 24, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Podcast: Real America’s Voice

Episode Overview

This episode of The War Room centers on a volatile global and domestic landscape, including the new designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization, looming conflict with Venezuela, the Ukraine-Russia war and the Biden/Trump administration’s approaches, and a detailed focus on the arrest of Brazilian ex-president Jair Bolsonaro. The show leans heavily into anti-globalist, anti-leftist rhetoric, arguing for steadfast action from MAGA-aligned audiences and warning of the dangers posed by "radical," "Marxist," or judicially activist forces abroad and at home. Prominent guests include Eduardo Bolsonaro (the son of Jair Bolsonaro), Jim Rickards, Dave Brat, and pollster Richard Barris.

Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Ukraine, Security Guarantees, and U.S. Administration (03:35–11:31)

• Fragmented Security Pacts:

  • Discussion on original and current Ukraine security agreements—whether the U.S. administration’s guarantees are reliable, especially under President Biden.
  • C: “There’s no such thing as a rock solid American security guarantee… it’s actually an oxymoron to speak about a rock solid security guarantee from this administration.” (04:03)

• Legal Challenges & Command Structure:

  • The legitimacy of presidential military orders, referencing both historic and recent U.S. interventions, and legal boundaries of military use domestically.
  • The role and removal of military legal advisers (Judge Advocates General) under Secretary Pete Hegseth, alleged impact on command accountability.

• Debate on Lawful vs. Unlawful Orders:

  • Congress’ call for military restraint against illegal commands—seen here as patriotic, but derided by the host as dangerous and destabilizing.
  • B: “The Democrats’ stunt… insinuating that they’re illegal or unconstitutional orders. It is corrosive. It is meant to weaken our country and weaken the military.” (08:39)

• U.S./NATO and Ukraine Realpolitik:

  • Consensus that Ukraine would ultimately “give up land for security guarantees”, skepticism that Ukraine could realistically secure NATO membership, and doubts about the reliability of U.S./EU tripwire guarantees against Russian incursions.

2. Rhetoric Against the Establishment & Framing of “The Struggle” (11:32–12:23)

• Apocalyptic Language:

  • Bannon frames the era as a fight against a dying regime and warns of attacks from mainstream and MAGA media alike.
  • C: “This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we’re going medieval on these people.” (11:32)

• Call to Conscience & Mission:

  • Rallying MAGA listeners to reflect, mobilize, and “save the country”.

3. Focus on Brazil: Jair Bolsonaro’s Arrest & What It Means (12:23–32:33)

• Summary of the Case:

  • Steve Bannon calls Bolsonaro “the Trump of the tropics” and frames the legal proceedings against him as politically motivated, likening Brazil’s January 8th events to the U.S. January 6th Capitol riot.

• Eduardo Bolsonaro’s Testimony:

  • Describes the elder Bolsonaro’s arrest as a "Disney World coup d'état", claims his father is under harsh house arrest, and accuses Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes of plotting his father’s death in prison.
  • E: “He wants to kill Jair Bolsonaro in jail. This is his goal.” (16:21)
  • E: “Alexandre de Moraes killed other men in jail… He wants to repeat this case with Jair Bolsonaro.” (17:05)

• Parallels to U.S. Political Prosecutions:

  • Bannon and Eduardo argue Bolsonaro’s persecution is the same strategy used against Trump—alleging the left (backed by the Supreme Court) hastened convictions to ensure Bolsonaro cannot run again in 2026.
  • C: “It’s the same playbook… They sentenced one of the best men and greatest leaders in the world to 27 years in prison for being in Orlando, Florida…” (23:10)

• Call to Action:

  • Eduardo urges the U.S. to sanction Brazilian officials via the Global Magnitsky Act and emphasizes that ordinary Bolsonaro supporters are being persecuted—framing the fight as global.
  • E: “They’re not coming only after us, they’re also coming after our supporters like common people… This is a war for you.” (29:28)

• MAGA Movement’s Perspective:

  • Bannon extends Bolsonaro’s plight as a warning for U.S. conservatives—that radical leftist control of the judiciary could bring “Brazil-style” repression to the U.S.

4. Institutional Overreach and Filibuster/ Supreme Court Expansion (32:33–34:05)

• Warning Against Radical Judiciary:
  • Predicts that if Democrats win the Senate, they’ll “expand the Supreme Court” and fill it with judges like Moraes, importing “Marxist” judicial activism to destroy the MAGA movement.
  • C: “The righteous cause of the Bolsonaros in Brazil is nothing but the canary in the mineshaft… We have to take it apart brick by brick and salt the earth around it.” (33:37)

5. Capitol Hill, Attitude toward Speaker Johnson, and Republican Turmoil (37:47–41:46)

• Congressional Fractures:

  • Reports of many House Republicans contemplating retirement and deriding the White House’s arrogance.
  • Bannon: Quotes a "senior House Republican": "All members have been treated like garbage… That is the sentiment of nearly all."
  • Dave Brat: The old Republican power base (appropriators) is angered by the rise of Trump's base—friction with Mike Johnson as Speaker.

• Foreign/Immigration Tensions:

  • Continuing focus on immigration issues (H1B visas, border) as a “contract with America item,” contrasted with Congressional infighting and inaction.

6. Seditious Six & Loyalty to the Commander-in-Chief (41:47–43:29)

• Seditious Six:
  • Discussion regarding members of Congress accused of “messaging the military to disobey orders from President Trump,” labeling it as sedition or borderline sedition (Jim Rickards).
  • D: “That’s what they’re encouraging. It’s sedition or close enough that it deserves some kind of accountability.” (43:26)

7. Geopolitics: Ukraine War “Already Lost,” U.S. Strategy, and Trump’s Dilemma (43:29–51:16)

• Ukraine War Autopsy:

  • Jim Rickards: The U.S. and its allies have repeatedly failed to get peace deals with Russia, who holds all the leverage.
  • Blunt conclusion: “The Russians won the war… The Russians won, with a lot of casualties and a lot of treasure… Russia has 10 times the population and the kill ratio is 5 to 1… Ukraine has lost.” (46:36, Rickards)
  • Predicts the U.S. must either accept Putin’s terms or “just walk away”.

• Trump’s Position:

  • Rickards warns Trump risks owning the conflict if he inserts the U.S. in new security guarantees for Ukraine: “This is now Trump’s war… He needs to get out now… or lose his accomplishments.” (48:38)
  • Bannon: “It’s not his war until he gets involved in the security guarantees.” (50:16)
  • Both agree: Trump should exit; the onus should remain on EU/NATO.

8. Shifting U.S. Public Opinion on Israel and Palestine (55:44–62:29)

• Pollster Richard Barris’ Findings:

  • Growing public resentment over focus on foreign wars, especially Israel vs. domestic issues.
  • Noteworthy, especially among younger America First voters:
    • Barris: “Sympathy for Israel fell to an all-time low. [Israel is] about as popular as Antifa is in this country right now.” (56:09)
    • Under 50s (even on the right) increasingly see Israel’s actions in Gaza as “genocide.”
    • “You may not be able to convince them that the Greater Israel Project is something that’s worthwhile.” (59:48)

• Media Mistrust and Narrative Defeat:

  • Younger generations get information from social media and view Israeli policy critically, with traditional cable news losing influence.
  • Many are choosing “neither” side or wanting “to wash our hands and deal with our own problems.” (60:40)

9. Closing Calls to Action & Context Setting

• Bannon’s Final Rally:
  • Urges listeners to “get focused,” likening the coming domestic political fight to the momentousness of the 2024 election.
  • “If people around President Trump aren’t going to get focused on it, then you, the War Room posse, have to drive that focus.” (62:58)

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• C: “There’s no such thing as a rock solid American security guarantee… it’s actually an oxymoron…” (04:03)
• B: “The Democrats' stunt… insinuating that there are illegal or unconstitutional orders. It is corrosive. It is meant to weaken our country and weaken the military.” (08:39)
• E (Eduardo Bolsonaro): “He wants to kill Jair Bolsonaro in jail. This is his goal.” (16:21)
• Bannon: “It’s the same playbook they’re running on Bolsonaro that they sentenced one of the best men and greatest leaders in the world… to 27 years in prison for being in Orlando, Florida…” (23:10)
• C: “The righteous cause of the Bolsonaros in Brazil is nothing but the canary in the mineshaft.” (33:37)
• Rickards: “The Russians won the war… Ukraine has lost… The US and EU are awful at negotiating with the Russians.” (46:36)
• Barris: “Sympathy for Israel fell to an all-time low; Israel is about as popular as Antifa is in this country right now.” (56:09)
• Bannon: “You may not be able to get this back… you may not be able to go and convince [young Americans] that the Greater Israel Project is something that’s worthwhile.” (59:48)
• Barris: “We’re done. We want to wash our hands and deal with our own problems.” (60:51)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Ukraine Agreement Debate & Military Order Legality: 03:35–11:31
• Bolsonaro’s Arrest & Implications: 12:23–32:33
• Supreme Court/Judiciary Expansion Warning: 32:33–34:05
• House Republican Discontent: 37:47–41:46
• Seditious Six Discussion: 41:47–43:29
• Ukraine “Already Lost,” U.S. Policy Options: 43:29–51:16
• Shifting Israel-Palestine Sentiment Among MAGA/America First: 55:44–62:29

Episode Tone & Language

• Defiant, conspiratorial, urgent: Narratives frame MAGA as a besieged movement; global events are integrated into “the same struggle at home.”
• Martial and apocalyptic: Many references to “regimes,” “enemies,” “dying order,” “medieval,” “Carthaginian peace,” and direct calls for listeners to prepare for action.
• Populist, anti-elite, anti-left: Consistent disparagement of “Marxist,” “radical left,” and establishment figures.

Summary for New Listeners

If you haven’t listened, this episode delivers:

• A MAGA-driven analysis of global and domestic headlines through the lens of a populist, anti-establishment worldview.
• In-depth focus on Brazil’s Bolsonaro as a warning to American conservatives about judicial activism and political prosecution.
• Blunt, pessimistic takes on the U.S. handling of the Ukraine war and the need for disengagement.
• Insights into a notable shift in American public opinion away from Israel, especially among younger right-leaning voters.
• Repeated rallying cries for the MAGA base to mobilize in the face of growing global and domestic threats as defined by the show’s hosts.