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This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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And where do people like that go to share the big L? MAGA media I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host, Stephen K. Banner. Thursday to October Year Overlord 2025 I've asked two of my favorites, the great Matt Boyle, national political editor over at Breitbart and De Grasse, who's I think one of the smartest young strategists in the MAGA movement and Republican politics, to join me. Now here's why. And Matt's going to be with us for the hour. We only got Degrasse for a certain amount of time. The what is about to happen this afternoon with Russ vote and the plan of deconstructing the administrative state and to do this, this part of it by rifts and mass layoffs, et cetera. The Democrats who have no leverage and for some bizarre reason walked into this. Well, they walked into this because their theory, the case on shutdowns is totally different than our theory, the case of shutdowns. As Bolland Degrasse note, the 2013 shutdown, which was led by Mike Lee and Ted Cruz over Obamacare, paid off big time dividends in 14. Why? Because people that don't pay attention to politics, the media makes such a big deal of a government shutdown that people didn't start to, you know, start to open up and listen to you get more accessibility, you get more coverage. And people started to understand about Obamacare and other issues. And we had a sweeping victory in 2014 in the midterms in 2018 when President Trump had the longest government shutdown ever after Nancy Pelosi took back the House in November that year. Now, she wasn't even in office, but we knew that there was going to be they basically were not going to give President Trump a penny for the border wall. I think he was asking for $5 billion. They shut the government down. It went for, I don't know, 37 days in 2020. And let me be blunt. Not only did Trump win the presidency, that was stolen from him. You can tell he won the presidency because we picked up 14 seats. 14 house seats. Net 12. Net 12. And you look through the districts and the bellwether districts and winning these seats, you see how Trump won. But we still crammed. We jammed Pelosi because why? Because people actually, you know, saw the logic of securing the border and building a border wall. The very issue that the illegitimate Biden regime, when they stole the presidency, opened the border to allow 10 to 15 million illegal aliens in the country in a very organized manner. The exact thing, wait for it, that President Trump is now having the generals and everybody focus on. You go into Memphis, you're going to Portland. It's all about the mass deportations of the illegal alien invaders that came in on Biden's watch. This is all of a piece. And let me give you a new forecast for the future. They understand even more than the first term in an 18 because Trump is working at such a scale, such a scope and with such urgency on fundamental things that are not going to be reversible that even more in 18, when they walked, I told people in the summer of that year, they're out in Iowa walking precincts, they're canvassing precincts, and they're telling people we're going to impeach Trump. And that's why they outworked us in 18. And it was a lack of focus. But also they outworked us in 18. That's why I think they picked up 35 or 40 seats. And guess what they did at the first opportunity, the first pretense, the stupid call to Zelensky they used to impeach a President of the United States. Not that they could remove him from office. They thought it would chop block him. They thought it was chop block him in his reelection. Hence the very start of the show. I finally realized, I said, we got to do something here because nobody's covering this. Where we are today is Akeem Jeffrey. As they sit there and they're about to get smash mouth over the next 72 hours, they are apoplectic and particularly the left wing. The hatred on Trump is going to go to levels that you've never seen before. And their entire focus is to remove him from office or shut down the Trump revolution after the midterm elections in 2018. Take your number two pencil out and put it in your book. This is what's going to happen I our leading defense of this right now. That must become a priority not just for the war room, but across the board from the White House to Capitol Hill to the committee, the House Committee on Reelections, is these redistricting fights. Now, now, now, 2026 is going to be won in the next three or four months. Now, now, now. And we have to maximize. We have to move with urgency on this. And too many people are leaning on their rakes thinking, hey, Texas got his five. It doesn't matter. That's just the opening salvo, because Gavin Newsom, the next big battle on this is four November in California. Newsom's entire presidency is not. He can't sell the California model because it's a total disaster. What he's going to sell is, is I'm the guy that stood up to Trump, I'm the guy that blunted Trump, and I set the predicate for the impeachment of Trump come the midterm elections. Alex DeGrasse, your efforts have been monumental, quite frankly. We would not have the House it was not for this young man waking the nation UP or the MAGA movement to redistricting in 2022. Those seats that we remember, everybody in Tallahassee, they had all the state capitals made deals on this, right, to benefit the state senators and the representatives. That's why you say, how can this be so screwed up? How can these, the massive demographic shifts not show up? It's not just the census. The state capitals are festering sore of corruption in deal making. Okay, they'll trade off. They'll trade off congressional seats. They don't care. As long as they're getting their deal in Tallahassee and other state capitals like in Albany, they don't care. They don't care. That's why a guy like DeGrasse woke the nation up to the fact that, hey, this thing right here screwed up. And I think we took eight or 10 seats. The difference that we have, the House of Representatives, was the redistricting fight led by this show back in 2022. And it must happen now. If it does not, if we don't have the fair reallocation cause the demographic shifts in the nation and in states and in states, as sure as the turning of the earth, we're going to lose the midterms. And their first action, Hakeem Jeffries, are going to take in the first 30 days as speaker of the House, is the impeachment of Donald Trump. Now, they're not going to remove him from office, but they're going to grind the Trump revolution to a halt. Alex DeGrasse is anything I said on that incorrect, sir?
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Well, everything is right in terms of what we're up against, Steven. I think there's a lot of complacency, and people think, hey, you know, everything's fine. We're doing this and that, but it's really not enough. And so I've got the master list here, and there's a lot of people working on this. I know we're going to get some other people on the show. State reps.
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Hang on one second. I want to. You got the map. We're going to go through it. I want to bring Bowle in just for an overview. Boyle, you are the best at doing this for a living. Is this the fight we have to have now on these redistrictings to make sure because Hakeem Jeffries and every day, folks, what's about to happen in them in the next 72 hours, they're going to get crushed. They're going to get crushed in this shutdown. And the seething anger and hatred of these people against Trump and the Trump movement is unbounded, and it's going to get worse. Do you agree that this is the fight that we have to have now, sir, to secure the 2026 midterm?
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Yeah, well, both ways. Both sides are looking to put the other side in checkmate, Right? Like, so this is big battle of checks between the left and the right. Right now, the left is in. I mean, and the reason being is that the Democrats walked their side into this. Buzzsaw. That's coming from OMB and from Russ Boat. They made some really bad mistakes in the last election. They made some bad mistakes over the last couple of years, but at the same time, they're banking on the Democrat side retaking the House. You hear people like Eric Swalwell talk about this as though a prophecy, right? Like, he talks about it as though when the Democrats retake the in his interviews, right? This is what we're gonna do. We're gonna go. And by the way, to your point about how they intend to shut down the Trump revolution, they're not just gonna try to shut down Trump in the government. Swalwell has said repeatedly. Remember, he's a member of the Oversight Committee, right? So he's gonna be a major part of this. If they do take the House back, what they're gonna do is they're gonna go after anybody that's made deals with Trump, like the universities, like businesses, like other countries, right? So what they wanna do is they wan Trump's ability to operate out there in addition to that. But again, at the same time, the Republicans can win this thing. Right? And this is what I keep trying to tell everybody. This is not a normal. The pendulum swings election. Like, normally speaking in a midterm election, especially after such a crushing defeat of the Democrats in 2024, the Democrats would be storming to 30 to 40 House seats. Like happened in 20. That's what should be happening for the Democrats in a normal historical environment. This time is different. I think that the Republicans can win and they need to start acting like it. Right. Like, so you do see some people out there acting like they can win, but I think that the Republicans can certainly defy. It's happened twice in the last century, right. Like where a president who has both chambers of Congress actually increases their majorities after winning the White House in the midterm elections. The first was FDR after 1932 and 1934, you know, and that was in the aftermath, of course, of the Great Depression. The New Deal was coming in, so, you know, really historical time. And then the other time was after 9, 11 with George Bush. Right. Like, had Republican majorities and expanded them both in the House and the Senate. Again, I'm of the mindset, if you look at the map and you look at the numbers, this is no done deal, by the way. But the Republicans can do that. This can be one of those moments in American history that we look back on where it's the third in the last century. And, you know, it's been, what, less than a month since our great friend Charlie Kirk was killed. He talked about, literally the name of his organization is Turning Point. Right? Like, this can be a turning point in the war we've talked about for the last 15 years. Right. Like those of us who have been fighting the radical left all the way back to Andrew Breitbart and before that, you know, we talk about this in terms of a war. We can win the war, not just a battle. We can win the war if we win in 26 and then again in 28. And then that sets up the census in 2030. Right. Like, and that's where the real fight is, right? Like, so the Republicans have to hold their majorities in 26 in both the House and the Senate. They've got to hold them again in 28 and then hold the White House. And if they do that, then in 2030, they get to not count illegal aliens ever again in the redistricting, which they do right now. Right. The federal government currently counts illegal aliens in the Apportionment of congressional districts. It's like modern day slavery, right? Like, remember the three fifths seal and so on and so forth. Right? They teach you in civics class, right? Like that's, that's what this is. The Democrats are like the modern day slave traders using illegal aliens. Like the slave owners use slaves to pad their congressional district numbers in blue states across the country if they are not able to do that anymore after 2030. But for that to happen, those things have to happen, and that is checkmate. That is when the Democrat party drops the nonsense. If they lose all the way through, then and then actually reforms themselves and does some of the things that like somebody like a John Fetterman is talking about.
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It can't reform. They become, I think I love it all. I would just say at the end of it, they become the Whigs. They become a party that just fades. Fades from the. Fades from the scene. The Whigs. Okay. Alex De Grasse is about to walk us through what that battlefield looks like. And it's incumbent upon us to take the leadership here to make sure that people. Matt's 100% correct. There's so many of our colleagues or so many of the MAGA movement that are just every day looking at what President Trump's doing, saying, this is great. He's in charge. We're getting stuff. And that's all true. But it's incumbent upon us to look downrange at what the enemy is doing and say, Steve, how can you call Hakeem Jeffries this? They're the surface of a radical neo Marxist party. Just look at it. Look at, look at. They're all bending the knee to Mom Donnie in New York City. And look at the candidates. They're putting up the Working Families Party throughout the country. They've got what they have these radicals all over the country they're sponsoring now for elective office. It's coming and it's coming to a congressional district near you. Alex DeGrasse, Matt Boyle. After a short commercial break, we return with the great Johnny Khan taking us out with American Heart, the anthem of the Tea Party.
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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. Okay. With that preamble of both Bannon and Boyle, Alistair Grass will take it. Alex, walk us through what's the battlefield and how do we need to get focused on on these, including stopping. And we can still stop Prop 50 in California if everybody got organized. This thing is not. The polling there is not that bad. It's actually, I think, pretty good given where we are and how much focus nuisance putting into it. But go ahead. The floor is yours, sir.
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So, Steve, I think a couple things a I just want to add on what you're saying about the shutdown, because what's really happening right now, as you see, Hakeem Jeffries. I don't know if you guys showed the clip, but you should. He was on with Jake Tapper. He totally spiraled out of control. I've actually never seen anything like it. Someone that watches Hakeem closely, of course, when they pressed him on illegal immigrants getting Medicaid, and he totally imploded. And I think more people are figuring out that, hey, what's up? You know, federal money going into pay illegals. It's obviously a huge problem. So they're getting crushed on that. Changing page is just separate from redistricting. But just going off of what Boyle said quickly. You know, I think you, me, Boyle, three of the few people that would have said, hey, President Trump would outrun House Republicans. You've got 13 seats that Trump won that the Democrats hold, only three seats that Kamala Harris won that Republicans hold in Congress. That was, quite honestly, there was, I think, over 20 of them in 2018 when we lost all the seats. So the fundamentals of this race are mostly played in territory that President Trump had won.
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In terms of the very tight battleground do the redistricting. So this really is sort of a tough knife fight. And then that kind of zooms out into this redistricting. So look, here's the list separate of California, whether we can hold that or not, which is critical. And if we do that, we're talking about nearly 20 seats. But let's get into the 14, 15. Our targets here. Texas, five. Done. Okay. Florida, four. These are the numbers that are minimal, we can't accept because some of these places people are talking about less seats. Okay. The sort of the Republicans and the Establishment. So Florida, we need four. I think that's gonna happen later in the year, but we've got to keep the pressure up. Ohio, three. That's sort of ongoing right now. There's talks about two. Of course we need three. That's sort of the minimum there. And they're kind of working it out and we've got to keep the pressure up. Indiana, major, major, major battle zone two. That's what we need, right? They go from a seven two to a nine zero. You could do it very clean, very legal, and map looks great. It's not gerrymandered literally at all. It's a totally legal, fair map with zero legal issues at all. That needs to get done. I'm hearing governor's a little bit waffling. We'll see. I mean, I would hate for that to be the case, but I think MAGA really needs to step up and work it at the grassroots. Work it to your state representatives, work it to the state Senate. You should be calling educating peacefully, nicely, giving encouragement. That's where we're at on this stage right now. Then if we need to get start crushing these people, we're gonna have to. But really sort of put yourself out there and get other people involved, sort of grow the posse, get more people, educate fellow grassroots people on why this has to happen. Missouri, they did one. Okay, great. New Hampshire, it's totally easy and we feel good about this one. You've got Kelly A out. She's saying she opposes it. So we'll see what she wants to do. If she wants to put the country first or if she wants to put sort of her own bizarre situation. It's sort of an untold story that actually the state legislator produced a map that would have picked us up a seat and the former governor actually vetoed it. So that's insane. So will she go the way of him?
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Hold it, hold on, hold. Slow down. Hang on, hang on. You mean Sununa?
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Yeah, he did. What's up with that? That was when we had the chance to do it. So the state representatives and state senate, they actually put forward a map that sort of, I think just picked up one. So you'd have a Democrat seat and you'd have a Republican seat as opposed to having two kind of lean left kind of swing seats that currently are both held by Democrats. So they would have banked one and then kind of had a Democrat seat would have been net one. So I think they're going to take another pass at that and she'll have a choice. I mean, she can actually, in New Hampshire I learned that she could not sign it and not veto it and it would just kind of become law. So there's a mechanism there and I think that we have the votes. It's very important and so we'll see how that plays out. But New Hampshire's maga. We need people to lock in and talk to your state representatives, talk to state senate, reach out to the governor. Right. It's a small state, you kind of know all the people. These are kind of small districts. They've got like hundreds of people in the state rep, you know, they got a big state representative, however that is there. And you gotta speak out because we need this one. Okay? So one in New Hampshire, that's key. You've got Kansas, it's a tough one, but we've gotta keep the pressure up there. One there is easily drawn. I mean these are legal fare maps. That's what we're talking about, that we have within the law able to do this. Okay? Nebraska's huge, okay? And then you've got One guy, some 83 year old Republican, I saw him, quoted the media, he's like, ah, they'll, you know, what are they gonna do to us? Hey brother, what have they been doing to us? For years? They've been crushing us on this front, okay? So I don't know who this guy is or what his problem is. Some, you know, state representative. Omah. But this is not just important for the House this time. Obviously this has an effect on the electoral college. Based off the rules in Nebraska, you've got that blue dot in Omaha. So we've got to take care of this one. It's so easy, it's not even funny. I mean it's not even, it's not gerrymandering the slightest bit. It's a fair map, okay? It's just, it's not giving a Democrat Some freebie. Kentucky one, North Carolina one and South Carolina one. You add all those up, it's like 20, I think. So that's where we get more than that. That's where we get the 15, right? So that's huge. I mean this is 20.
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I think it's, I think it's, I think it, I think it's gross. A GROSS Number of 21.
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Five in Texas, four in Florida, three in Ohio. Okay, folks, this is maximal. This is maximalist. This is maximalist.
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This is the maximalist.
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We have to do this because look what they've done in New York and look what they're doing in California. Look what they've done in New England, the guy in Omaha, dude, wake up. New England, I think averages bull. You're from up there. And so are you, Degrasse. I got two New Englanders who are totally right wings. I think the overall New England I think is roughly 40%. 38. 40% Republican, 25 to nothing. There is not one Republican congressman in the House of Representatives in entire New England. Did Democrats play smash mouth all the time. Look at New York state. Look at California. California is about to go 48 to 4 on a state that's 42% Republican. They don't care. They don't care. And we have to fight fire with fire. That gross 21 has got to be the number. And if anybody comes off of Kelly Ayotte, her response on this was infantile. I saw her on like public TV up there. It's like an infantile. Like you're in middle school giving a book report. You gotta wake up. She talked about. We're just. I'm just focused on, you know, New Hampshire issues. All the issues in the House directly affect New Hampshire. This is a fight for your state. It's obscene. Now you're not. That's why California. I'm telling you folks, this thing of this offset of 5 is so big to be able to. And I think it's. Degrasse, give me a minute on California. I think this thing is winnable. They got to get 50% plus one vote. Okay? Yeah. The polling is not great right now. The polling is not great. Your thoughts?
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It's tight. And look, these are low turnout. Okay? MAGA succeeds in low turnout. We get our people out, we could win.
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Millions of Trump voters in California. Come on, folks. I think they've got more Trump voters than anywhere else in the country. Okay? If everyone came out and voted for Trump, we win this by 15 points. Okay? So you just. People say, oh, there's no hope. You can't hold on. We've got over 3 million Trump voters in California, okay? I think they're pushing towards four. Don't quote me. But if everyone gets out, we win. They don't have the numbers, okay? They're gonna drag people out. The unions, this is a huge fight. But what I'm hearing from folks on the ground, Orange county is huge. Orange county, we need to run the numbers up, okay? The rural parts, we need to run Central Valley. Everyone's gotta get out. You gotta get any way out to the polls, okay? And they're running the two front. You've got McCarthy's group. They're hammering Republicans, they're hammering Newsom. I mean, I love the ad, actually. They're vicious. You know, they're just ripping his head off. And then you've got, you know, the sort of that billionaire, you know, mungeers. Guys, he's kind of making it nice and happy.
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Munger, Munger. Munger. Munger's put $50 million in. But, but he's. But he's the guy. It's like the Good Citizen Network back in the 50s. He's. He created the Commission. He created the commission, put all his money up. The commission. It's not great. It's 43 to what, nine right now. It's not great for us. It kind of sucks. But hey, it's better than the apocalypse. And he's just saying, hey, I put all this money up and you're gonna have some good government types. I think there will be some rational independence to go. Yeah. Why are we doing this Is kind of weird, right? So it may get some Republicans, standard Republicans out there, but he's gonna. He's put in 50 million bucks, right? So you got that. But it comes down to, here's what it is. Here's the key. Newsom is running this. Not about redistricting. This is all anti Trump. If you hate Trump, you come out and vote for this and I'm gonna help get him impeached. And I'm gonn President United States. Boom. On the opposite side right now, they don't want to mention Trump because they say if you mentioned Trump, but that's not thinking it through. Trump, we got. We got 3 million Trump supporters, right? Maybe all of them are not rabid. You get two and a half million, we win this thing by 10 points. 12 points, right? If you turn out the Trump vote.
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We need the Trump vote out. And it's going to.
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I mean, this thing is huge because, look, Newsom, I mean, that's it. I mean, this is the whole thing. Look at they're doing to that nice guy. I mean, the ads against Muncher, they're just ripping this guy's head off. That's what's to come. The Democrats are vicious. This next wave of Democrats, they don't care.
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It's French Revolution stuff. You got Luigi Mangione on one side and you got Mondami, the neo Marxist jihadist in New York backed by cutter money, right? That's what your future is. That's what the Democratic Party is. They're going to smash mouth right now and they can't help themselves. They're the ones, as Bull said, that kind of forced Schumer into this. They took Schumer hostage. He took Schumer.
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He's crushing him in the primary polls for Senate. That's what this is about.
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Steve.
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Okay, I'm looking at the numbers.
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Hang on for a second. Ball into grass on the other side. Hang on.
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So let me ask you about a provision that the Republicans are talking about quite a bit I know you want to talk about and Democrats want to talk about extending the Obamacare subsidies which expire at the end of 2025. But they talk about the provisions and it's right here. Subtitle E. And this has to do with the repeal of health care subtitle changes and specifically what it is, how they Characterize it is you want to give health insurance to undocumented immigrants. I understand that's not really an accurate depiction, but what it does do is that's a lie. It's a lie. But what you support does bring back funding for emergency Medicaid to hospitals, some of which does pay for undocumented immigrants and people who don't have health insurance. And also there is this provision, and it's not about undocumented immigrants. It's about people with asylum seekers and people with temporary protected status, et cetera, et cetera, but about their ability to get Medicaid. So they're non citizens, they're not undocumented, they're not illegal. Why even include that in a bill knowing that they're going to seize right upon that and use that to message.
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Okay, but do we. I want to have his response. Let's get his response. I want. Okay, is that the clip? Degrasse. I want to get his. Alex, he. When we got it, let me know. Just get the response. But right there, lays it out. And this is why they keep saying, oh, we're lying. We're not lying. This is what it's about. And this is why when they get crushed, as they're getting crushed right now with no kind of response, they're going to focus on the midterm to impeach Trump. Now let me bring in Boyle. Boyle, you had a big event in July with Scott Bessant, one of the Breitbart events. You guys are doing like every month or every other month. You had braid over from the White House. He's the legislative affair guys, the giant guys, like six, nine, you know, 250 pounds. He walks through this very issue at the time. The White House political team, which has got like 9 billion things going on, they are maniacally focused on this topic. Sir, tell us about what happened in July where he's going through districts that we gotta do these. We gotta get these flips on, including things like nine. Oh, in Indiana. Not eight. One, nine zero. It's not eight. One's not good enough. Just like you pick up this new one in Missouri. Right. We changed Missouri last time. Go ahead.
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What Alex was just talking about on the other side of the break a few minutes ago, about the 13 districts that the White House has known about that and they've been zoning in on it for. For a long time. By the way, also what you just saw there with Hakeem Jeffries, I mean, in Jake Tapper, I mean, Jake Tapper basically admits that they're illegal aliens. And then yet he continues to call it a lie. I mean, there are illegal aliens getting health care under these provisions, right? Like, I mean, they're totally lying about this. This is why I asked the vice President about it at the White House yesterday, right? Like, so the. In the briefing room, right? They had me in the new media scene. That was the main question that I zoned in on with them was because they've been l about this. Like, they're openly admitting, basically. And some of them, to their credit, like a Maxine Waters and Ro Khanna, some of the Democrat members of the House are openly admitting. That's what they want to do. That's what they should do. They should just come out and tell the truth. They want to give health care to illegal aliens. That's what they care about. They care about illegal aliens more than they care about American citizens. That's what this is all about. The entire modern Democrat Party is built to serve illegal aliens because it's illegal aliens. That gives them their power, right? They get their power and congressional districts from the illegal aliens because the census counts them and then they get the apportionment from that, right? Like, that's what this is all about. The modern Democrat Party is built to serve illegal aliens. Modern Republican Party supposed to serve American workers and American families. We got work to do on that front. But the point is, is that the Democrat Party 100% designed to help the illegal aliens?
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No. And our side of the football, the MAGA movement's all about American citizens first. America first. Obviously you have the globalist rhino establishment, the Wall Street Journal editorial pirates, Paul Gijon, those guys that hate us more than they hate Democrats. I got that. I got that. You're 100% correct. That's why. Let me just be blunt. The 21 is a number. If we don't get to the gross number 21, people have to be. We're talking about holding Antifa and the people fund Antifa accountable. We have to hold the RHINO establishment, the globalist establishment. If we don't get all 21 because we're demanding 21, that you just nailed it. The modern Democratic Party. And it's getting worse. Mandami is going to be basically, he is a neo Marxist jihadist. Okay? He represents the interest of the illegal aliens in this country as all the radical left of the Democratic Party do. That's why they have that language in there. And Jake Tapper just called him out. This is why the 21 Degrasse is. I know the White House is fighting for this. We have to take this crusade on our shoulders and say, no, we don't want to hear any happy talk. We understand it may be a little unpleasant and a little tough. And at your country club in Indiana or in Kentucky or in New Hampshire, you know, a couple of the Democrats may say, oh, gosh, you guys are bad people. Let them say, we're bad people. We don't give a damn. Right? We're here to save our country. Alex De Grasse, this fight, the White House is all in for it. I know the guys up in the House are all in for it. We're all in for it. We know from 24 and from 22, we're unbeatable if we're united in this cause, sir.
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Yeah, I mean, this is really about a service to the country. And when I was in Indiana on the ground with Raheem and we were with Bruschowitz and we had the show out there, and it was amazing, right? And so when these guys say, hey, what are people saying? Why are people, people opposed to this? And they say, hey, well, you know, Indiana's doing good, right? Indiana is doing good. This is about the country. This is about your dedication to our republic. As elected officials at the state level, you have an obligation to fairly represent your constituents in advance. Forward a conservative voice into Washington, D.C. because the reality is we are jammed on these other states, like we talked about Connecticut, this, that everyone else. I mean, they jam us. And so. And then that in turn affects your constituents, because then Indiana has less of a voice, right? You've got the illegal immigrants and everything. We've got all these compounding things. I mean, the health care thing is huge. That's just an example. And I mean, I love this group.
B
Loves.
D
Look at the numbers. So go on your government websites, there's a line item, it says, emergency Medicaid funding in New York state due to Biden's open border crisis. It's a 1,400% increase in six years. Okay, in five years under Joe Biden. Biden, 1,400%. That is the line item for illegal immigrants, okay? They figure that out. You can go to a hospital and you could. You can have a meltdown, and they're gonna do it for free. And the federal government and the state government's gonna take up, you know, gonna take that bill. That is what. That is the line item that Tapper exposed for everyone to see. Well, you know, I guess technically you can do that. While they're calling it a lie in the same Sentence. They are admitting that this is how they do it. J.D. vance and Elise Stefanik, they've been hammering this up on social media together. Literally showing the website in New York how you can allow illegal immigrants. That's what people are sick and tired of. You pivot to Mamdani. There's thousands of momnamis out there. News flash, folks. Okay, that's the entire next wave. They've got a national network. It's not just in New York City. Yes, mayors in Binghamton, in Albany, running on Buffalo. You've got crazy people, all dsa, all working families. And they're just. You think that this guy's gonna moderate? That's what some people talked about. While all these elites are bending the knee just today, gifted program in New York City, throwing it out. That's for, you know, smarter students to get sort of a different education. There's no, literally no reason to get rid of that situation. Pulling it out now. He says we're gonna let civilian boards fire police officers. I'm not gonna defund the police. But he's gonna let these far left, totally nutcase people on these citizen boards fire the police. They rule against the police 95% of the time. Okay, why be a police officer? Steve, they are going to destroy. That's their only agenda. I don't understand it. They're going to destroy New York City. As we know, the financial capital will fall if this guy is able to execute what he wants to execute, many of which he will have the power to do. He controls the police, for he will control the police force. He will control the education system. He's not able to control the taxes. But I mean, this stuff is getting. It is rapidly accelerating. And Republicans all over the country have to understand it starts in New York, it starts in California, it spreads elsewhere. If we can stop Newsom, we can stop these crazy people in New York. If we can redistrict fairly and count honor their voice, we have the ability to change history. That's what this is about.
B
It's a virus. Everything 100%. This is what this fights. Everything. Degrasse, what's your social media? Where do people go to get you? We're gonna do more refinement of this, talking points, all of it, folks. But we just wanted to give you the overall big picture here. Coming off of Texas, where do people go to get you? Yeah.
D
Thank you, Steve. Thank you, Boyle, who's obviously the tip of the spear. One of the best. I met Degrasse81 on X Truth Getter, all that Stuff. Thank you, guys. Really lock in. We're gonna get this going, bring more people on the show, on the ground in these states, reach out to us, and we'll make this happen. So thank you.
B
And Alex, let that great team over at the White House polka team know we're all in. 100% in. This is a. This is. We gotta drive this. There's. You can tell. And it's going to deteriorate in the next 72 hours. You wait till you see these guys on TV. They're going to call Trump everything in the book. They're already doing it. Dictator, fascist. This is the authoritarian breakout. Watch for it. And Russ Vote. As good a Christian man as Russ Vote is, they're going to destroy Russ Vote because they have no leverage. What they're going to do is come back, anticipate winning the midterm, have Hakeem Jeffries impeach Trump in the first five days of their rule of terror reign of terror in the House. Degrasse, thank you so much. Appreciate you. Boyle, your thoughts as we go to commercial break. Brother.
A
Yeah, look, I think that we're in a huge moment here and I think that if, if the Republicans really do continue the offensive pressure we've seen under President Trump so far this year and again, this has to translate beyond President Trump. President Trump is always going to be awesome and he's doing a great job at his and across the Trump administration. But what we need to see is the fight out of the members of Congress, right? Like, so the, the, you know, you hear some of the good guys every now and again, right? Like, but this is the thing at this point there, there's. If you're a Republican and you know the left wants to kill you, right. Like, I mean, it's really that simple. Right? Like, I mean, we saw what happened with Charlie. I mean, they would love to see that happen to everybody on the, on the right. And frankly, I mean, that's what they're going for. You know, there's a handful of reasonable human beings on the Democrat side, like a John Fetterman, right. Like he's out there saying they need to knock it off and stop calling, calling people fascists and dictators and so on and so forth. Cuz that's providing justification for like the people that killed Charlie Kirk. But at this point, if you're not part of that radical left, and I think the vast majority of Americans are not in support of globalizing the intifada, like what you're seeing from Mamdani, then you need to recognize that you are under attack, right? Like this is a war. You are under attack and you need to be prepared and you need to go fight these guys. And by fight, what I mean is win the political wars, right? Like so those 21 districts, you're right. Like they need to go out there and fight this. Right. Like they need to go get these districts taken care of. They need to go win the political battles with the in Washington Russ vote. They should go terminate as many people as they possibly can right now, today.
B
Boyle, hang on for one second. I'm gonna hold you through the break. The great Matt Boyle is with us here in the world. Here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Okay, we closed the books on the third quarter in the fiscal year on September 30th. Look, it's going to be about a $2 trillion deficit next year. We're fighting, as you know, the omnibus is going to come in. We're going to fight that in mid November. Bottom line is we still are spending way more money than we're taking in. That means the irs, if you're late filing, haven't filed or got a letter from them, they're coming to get their dough. Okay, you need an, you need somebody that represents you. Tax Network USA, tnusa.com promo code Bannon. You get a free consultation or just call them 800-958-1000. Today, they've solved a billion dollars worth of tax issue. Anything you got, trust me, they've heard it before. Don't be embarrassed. But that anxiety and angst, it's not going away until you deal with it the way you deal with this. Call these folks and get their advice. It's free. They give you free advice. Either if you like it, then you sign them up. If you don't, you move on to deal with the IRS yourself. Whatever you do, just don't say, oh, I'll just take care of it tomorrow, or they're shutting the government down. It doesn't work like that. This thing metastasizes. 895A1000. Tell them Steve Bannon sent you. Do it now. Get that load of anxiety off your shoulders. Matt Boyle, what are you working on? What do you see, Russ? Votes coming in today to drop the deconstruct the administrative state hammer with, I think, mass rifts, reduction in force. You got a minute or two? What do you got to force?
A
Yeah, well, yesterday, so I know everybody's focused on the shutdown and that's the news of the day. Don't get me wrong But I'm also the big story I've been tracking all year is how President Trump really has woken up the entire world on. So this goes even beyond our borders to Europe, Asia, the Middle East, Africa, South America. The whole world has been woken up by President Trump on things like immigration and trade. And so yesterday, I spent about an hour with the European Union ambassador to the United States, and I'm gonna butcher her name, so I'm not even gonna try, but she's Lithuanian, but she's Ursula von der Leyen's ambassador from the European Union to the United States. And so we spent about an hour talking. I know she's a huge fan of yours, Steve. Steve. So. And also she is. She spoke very highly about Ursula.
B
Fire. Hold on. Ursula will fire right away. So let's keep that to ourselves.
A
We talk a lot about trade and immigration, of course, the US Trade deal with the European Union, which is a huge deal that was announced in Scotland, right. When I was interviewing President Trump over there back in July. And so we talked a lot about that and immigration, but I've also been talking to other world leaders. So last week at the UN General assembly, on the sidelines there, I interviewed the Prime Minister of Qatar and Al Thani. We talked a lot about President Trump's push for peace in Gaza. He said that President Trump's really the only person in the world that can pull this off. And obviously, you saw the White House and President Trump roll that peace deal out earlier this week and really put pressure on Prime Minister Netanyahu to bring an end to the war in Gaza. So that's a big deal. And then also I talked to the President of the Republic of Congo last week as well. So what we're seeing is in just the last week, I've talked to people from multiple different continents. From Asia, from Europe, from Africa. We're seeing people. I've talked to people from all over the world. Trump, in this America first movement is a worldwide movement, and it has a lot of friends worldwide that are rooting for us to succeed and they want us to win.
B
Yep. Matt Boyle, where they go, your reporting is second to none. You're the tip of the tip of the spear. Where do people go? Social media. To track you down and where they go? To Breitbart to get you? Sure.
A
On X. Twitter, it's @Mboyle1. On Truth Social, it's @RealMatt Boyle. And then on. Just go to Breitbart.com My whole team is working around the clock. Everybody's working Very hard. Breaking lots of stories 24 7.
B
I'm so glad. I'm so glad you're back up on Twitter since I pulled you off eight years ago or nine years ago. Glad you're back on. Glad you're back on. Spreading the word. Matt Bull, you're the best. Thanks for spending an hour with us, folks. What we gave you here in this last hour is total inside baseball. The White House is working on this. That great team over there, they're grinding on this. The guys on Capitol Hill and the House Republican thing, they're grinding on this. Degrasse is grinding on it. Bol's grinding on it. And Boll and Grass, you should know behind the scenes are major players just even bigger than they are in the front. These young men are people that folks look to. And so this is a priority and we're going to spend so much more time because they come to the war. They know what you guys did in 22. They know what you did in 24. We need it done now to basically set things right for 26. The great Tim Pool. Yesterday's show was on fire with the Charlie Kirk show. We tossed to every day for the last four years. Tim Pool's going to be there. I think Poso may be back. Andrew Corvette is going to be incredible. Then poso at 2. I think poso may have some special announcements today at 2, so stay tuned. Then you got Steve. You got Steve. And then you got Eric at three and four and then back to war room at five. Stick around. Mike Lindell, we've been grinding here in the war room, brother. They know you're not backing down. So the audience keeps telling me all day long. How do we support Mike Lindell? We want to buy more product. What is the product and what. But they want to buy it with special deals. You know, the Warren posse.
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We'll see you back here at 5. Tim Pool. The Charlie Kirk show is next.
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This is an I Heart Podcast.
Episode #4822 – October 2, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Guests: Matt Boyle (Breitbart, National Political Editor), Alex DeGrasse (MAGA/republican strategist)
This episode dives deep into the urgent strategic fight over congressional redistricting and the looming government shutdown, framing both as existential political battles in the MAGA movement’s campaign to secure majorities in the 2026 midterms and beyond. Bannon, Boyle, and DeGrasse dissect the state-by-state redistricting efforts needed to solidify GOP power, the Democrats' moves to impeach Donald Trump if they reclaim the House, and how the political climate is shifting after a decisive 2024 GOP victory. The episode repeatedly returns to the MAGA mission to "deconstruct the administrative state," enforce border security, and outmaneuver what Bannon calls a "radical neo-Marxist" Democratic opposition.
"You're just not going to free shot all these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it." – Stephen K. Bannon [00:10]
"2026 is going to be won in the next three or four months. Now, now, now. And we have to maximize. We have to move with urgency on this." – Stephen K. Bannon [05:50]
"This is not a normal pendulum swing election...This time is different. I think that the Republicans can win and they need to start acting like it." – Matt Boyle [08:40]
"Work it at the grassroots. Work it to your state representatives, work it to the state Senate. You should be calling, educating peacefully, nicely, giving encouragement...crushing these people, we're gonna have to." – Alex DeGrasse [17:09]
"Did Democrats play smash mouth all the time. Look at New York State. Look at California...We have to fight fire with fire." – Stephen K. Bannon [22:09]
"MAGA succeeds in low turnout. We get our people out, we could win." – Alex DeGrasse [23:37]
"If you're a Republican and you know the left wants to kill you...you need to be prepared and you need to go fight these guys. And by fight, what I mean is win the political wars." – Matt Boyle [38:50]
“Trump in this America first movement is a worldwide movement, and it has a lot of friends worldwide that are rooting for us to succeed and they want us to win." – Matt Boyle [44:32]
This episode is a must-listen for those looking to understand the internal strategies, sense of mission, and urgency within the MAGA movement as it fights for post-2024 dominance. The hosts and guests lay bare both electoral and legislative tactics, detail state-level battlegrounds, and provide a window into the worldview and mobilization ethics of Bannon’s political camp—unyielding, maximalist, and perpetually on war footing, both domestically and globally.