THE WAR ROOM WITH STEPHEN K. BANNON, OCTOBER 25TH, 2025 (EP. 4878)

Summary

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War Room with Stephen K. Bannon – October 25, 2025 (Ep. 4878)

Podcast: Real America’s Voice / iHeartPodcasts
Date: October 25, 2025
Host: Stephen K. Bannon
Featured Guests: Legal Experts, Dr. Bradley Thayer, Tom Fitton (Judicial Watch), Alex DeGrasse, Various Political Analysts

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Overview

This episode of "War Room" with Steve Bannon dives into pressing issues shaping U.S. politics and geopolitics in late 2025. Topics include Constitutional debates about presidential term limits, allegations of Justice Department politicization, global shifts in power and sovereignty (spanning China, Ireland, and Venezuela), escalating battles over election integrity and redistricting, and the looming high-stakes summit between President Trump and President Xi Jinping. The episode pulses with Bannon’s signature urgency, populist defiance, and combative critique of mainstream institutions and perceived political adversaries.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The 22nd Amendment & Trump’s Political Future

(00:00-02:50)

• Constitutional Limits: Legal scholars unequivocally state the 22nd Amendment is clear—no one can be elected U.S. president more than twice, nor run as VP if ineligible for the presidency (00:15).
  • “The 22nd Amendment is ironclad… it's simply supposed to keep somebody from running and serving more than two terms in office. And it's just simple as that.” (Legal Expert, 00:15)
• Political Motivations: The amendment arose to prevent excessive presidential power, referencing FDR and fears of ‘elective monarchy.’
  • “When you hear Steve Bannon talk about President Trump being an instrument of divine will, it does sound as if he's describing him as a monarch.” (Political Analyst, 02:50)

2. The Justice Department, "Weaponization," and Trump’s Legal Struggles

(01:37-02:50)

• Bannon’s Critique: Accuses DOJ of both enabling and undermining Trump politically.
  • “We're in this scenario where these facts are not perceived as facts. Because in part, this Supreme Court exonerated Donald Trump, basically pardoned him…” (Stephen K. Bannon, 01:37)
• Guest notes frustration with DOJ pace, arguing both left and right view prosecution decisions as politicized.

3. Foreign Affairs: China, Taiwan, Venezuela, and Global Power Plays

(04:09-05:19; 28:56-30:05; 50:02-53:12)

• Asia-Pacific Tensions:
  • Discussion on China’s position regarding peace in Southeast Asia and whether China will “make any moves on Taiwan.” The guest expresses hope that China refrains, but tension remains (04:49-05:08).
  • U.S. foreign policy on Taiwan is treated as a live-wire issue; no policy shifts are previewed.
• Upcoming Trump-Xi Jinping Summit: A high-stakes meeting is previewed – with Bannon emphasizing the critical nature for global trade and security.
  • “President is en route to Asia for… what may be the most important meetings of his presidency as he will confront… Xi.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 06:26)
• Venezuela Confrontations: U.S. deploys a carrier group off Venezuela, signaling intent to challenge Chinese influence in Latin America and confront Maduro (06:26).
  • “President Trump in hemispheric defense has finally thrown down the gauntlet against…the Chinese Communist Party…” (Stephen K. Bannon, 06:26)
• China’s Technological Drive: Dr. Thayer details China’s ambition for global tech leadership, especially in AI and rare earth dominance.
  • “He’s developing a strategy to win AI, quantum computing, biotech… AI is everything for Xi Jinping.” (Dr. Bradley Thayer, 50:30)

4. Populist Upheaval and Political Discontent in Ireland

(09:58-12:44)

• Low Voter Turnout & Spoiled Votes: Up to two-thirds of Irish voters abstain or spoil ballots in protest of the elite.
  • “…overwhelmingly that voter turnout is extremely low…spoil the vote…from lows of about 10% to highs of about 22%…” (Dr. Bradley Thayer, 10:05)
• Demographic Tensions: Cites immigration as driver of populist backlash.
  • “Of those 5 million people [in Ireland] over about 22% are foreign born. And that's not counting the migrants…since 2022.” (Dr. Bradley Thayer, 11:54)
• Symbolic Resistance: Protest ballots reference high-profile crimes blamed on migrants; rising nationalism seen as a reaction to ‘globalism and the establishment’ (12:23).
  • “They wrote these messages about the young girl that was raped…Incredibly powerful.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 12:44)

5. U.S. Election Integrity: Voter Rolls, Illegal Aliens, Ballot Policy

(18:56-34:55)

• Judicial Watch’s Efforts (Tom Fitton): Describes lawsuits leading to removal of millions of outdated/erroneous registrations, but claims far more remain (approx. 20 million).
  • “Dirty election rolls…are an inducement and an opportunity for fraudsters…” (Tom Fitton, 19:38)
  • “We have now 5 million names…off the rolls. You're saying…there's another 20 million to go?” (Stephen K. Bannon, 24:19; Fitton, 24:34)
• State and Federal Policy Failures: Argues that some states refuse to enact required roll-cleaning and delays in ballot counting are used to manipulate results:
  • “…in California, they count ballots that arrive for up to seven days after election…two Democrats in the House [won] because of ballots that were counted after election day.” (Tom Fitton, 25:49)
• Urgency for Structural Changes: Push for direct presidential appointment of a special prosecutor, bypassing DOJ/FBI to target “Deep State” resistance to Trump:
  • “The President has got to bypass the Justice Department and the FBI in these investigations of the lawfare against them.” (Tom Fitton, 27:32)
  • “He should appoint a special prosecutor reports to him, not to the attorney general, not to the FBI director…” (Tom Fitton, 31:27)
• Bannon’s View: “Tom Fenton, you are laboring 24 hours a day, seven days a week as the people's Justice Department.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 33:33)

6. Redistricting Battles & GOP Strategy for 2026

(36:40-45:50)

• Alex DeGrasse Overview: Warns that partisan redistricting (“gerrymandering”) is a political battlefield. Describes active efforts in multiple states—Democrats are moving assertively, but “Rhinos” (Republican-in-name-only) and weak GOP leadership are holding back gains:
  • “Democrats have been killing us for years at this front. Wake up.” (Alex DeGrasse, 41:40)
• Bannon’s Frustration: Urges grassroots and “war room posse” to mobilize—primary GOP holdouts, defeat establishment inertia.
  • “We got to start getting tough and play fire with fire.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 41:10)
• Urgency for 2026: Outcomes now will shape the midterms:
  • “Whoever wins the redistricting wars now will win the midterms in 2026.” (Stephen K. Bannon, 49:38)

7. Early Voting/Election Day Mobilization – New Jersey as a Bellwether

(47:10-49:31)

• Early Ballot Returns Analysis: DeGrasse describes crucial metrics for victory (mail-in ballot return rates, targeting low-propensity MAGA voters).
  • “Right now we're about tied…Our people have to return the ballots that we have at a higher rate than them.” (Alex DeGrasse, 48:10)
  • “Huge turnout game. You win New Jersey, you shock the whole thing…” (Alex DeGrasse, 48:49)
• Mobilization Tools: Push for listeners to use apps/tools for canvassing, and demand turnout from every possible supporter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Term Limits:
  • “The 22nd Amendment is ironclad…you can't be elected to more than two terms of office as president.”
    — Legal Expert, (00:15)
• On DOJ & Political Lawfare:
  • “This Supreme Court exonerated Donald Trump, basically pardoned him and pardoned him prospectively. So now you have him...asserting that he was politically prosecuted while he himself is engaged in the most political prosecutions we've ever seen.”
    — Stephen K. Bannon, (01:37)
• On Voter Rolls & Fraud:
  • “Dirty election rolls are kind of a way and an inducement and an opportunity for fraudsters…”
    — Tom Fitton, (19:38)
• On Redistricting:
  • “Democrats have been killing us for years at this front. Wake up.”
    — Alex DeGrasse, (41:40)
• On Populist Sentiment in Ireland:
  • “The people have had a belly full of it…They rejected the poll class by not turning out.”
    — Stephen K. Bannon, (12:44)
• On Geopolitics with China:
  • “He’s developing a strategy to win AI, quantum computing, biotech…AI is everything for Xi Jinping…”
    — Dr. Bradley Thayer, (50:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment Description | Timestamp | | ----------------------------------------------------- | ---------- | | 22nd Amendment Debate | 00:00-02:50| | DOJ Weaponization & Trump Prosecution | 01:37-02:50| | China, Taiwan, Venezuela, Global Power | 04:09-05:19; 50:02-53:12| | Irish Populist Upheaval & Election Analysis | 09:58-12:44| | Judicial Watch on Voter Rolls, Ballot Integrity | 18:56-34:55| | Redistricting Strategy w/ Alex DeGrasse | 36:40-45:50| | Early Voting in New Jersey; Mobilization Strategies | 47:10-49:31| | Preview: Trump-Xi Summit & U.S.-China Tensions | 50:02-53:12|

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Tone and Style

Bannon’s War Room retains its fierce, confrontational tone, blending political strategy with grassroots mobilization, populist outrage, and urgency. Guests match the direct, unfiltered rhetoric, focusing on the need for conservative resilience and systemic overhaul in the face of opposition from establishment institutions, both domestic and international.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode captures Bannon and his guests’ belief that America is at a turning point—facing existential legal, electoral, and geopolitical threats. The panel fiercely defends strict constitutional limits on presidential power, rails against “weaponized” government agencies and election vulnerabilities, and places current issues in a broader struggle for national sovereignty, popular representation, and U.S. power on the world stage. With the Trump-Xi summit looming and ongoing cultural/electoral upheavals both at home and abroad, Bannon calls for maximal activism: exposing institutional rot, mobilizing for every electoral contest, and outflanking establishment resistance, both Republican and Democratic.

Transcript

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is an iHeart podcast. How Ironclad is the 22nd Amendment. And you heard Bannon there. Are there ways that Trump and his allies can circumvent the Constitution or rewrite it?

[Legal Expert or Constitutional Scholar]

Well, the 22nd Amendment is ironclad. Unless you are intent on strangling the entire meaning and intent out of the 22nd Amendment, it's fairly clear that you can't be elected to more than two terms of office as president. And the 12th Amendment also makes it clear that you can't run for vice president and be ineligible for the presidency. And so you really have to do a couple of things. One is that you would have to claim that somehow being elected is different from serving, and that's entirely inconsistent with what conservatives in Congress in the late 1940s were attempting to achieve with the 22nd Amendment. And I think, again, you have to look at the history and tradition here that Americans have traditionally had presidents that served for two terms. FDR broke that. I think I won't minimize the partisan motivations of Republicans in the 1940s to get this amendment in place. And they certainly couched it in terms of being anti authoritarian and pro democracy. But at the end of the day, everybody knows what this amendment was supposed to do. It's simply supposed to keep somebody from running and serving more than two terms in office. And it's just simple as that.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Can we just say that the Justice Department was not weaponized under the Biden administration? There were Democrats and Republicans that faced the wrath of the Biden administration. Justice Department, like, the reason people were silent is because the president had credibly committed crimes. And it seems incredulous that I have to say that, Lisa. It seems crazy. I feel insane. Calm me down. I don't think I can calm you down on that. I think you're exactly right. The reality is that this President Donald Trump, was prosecuted based on substantial evidence of criminality. And the Justice Department was not acting at the behest of Joe Biden, wasn't acting to prosecute him politically, was prosecuting him. Because if they were, they would have prosecuted him a little more quicker. My progressive friends feel as though Merrick Garland dragged his feet a little too long. I'm with you on that. I'm with you on that. And the fact is, is that this. We're in this scenario where these facts are not perceived as facts. Because in part, this Supreme Court exonerated Donald Trump, basically pardoned him and pardoned him prospectively. So now you have him recreating history, recreating the facts. And trying to assert, in essence, that he was politically prosecuted while he himself is engaged in the most political prosecutions we've ever seen in the history of our country.

[Political Analyst or Historian]

I do think that there's an element of trolling, but as Susan says, you know, you look at the East Wing of the White House, it's hard imagine that they wouldn't try to do whatever they want to any norm or to any American tradition. And I think it's important to go back and to look at the reason why the 22nd Amendment is in place. There was a tradition going back to George Washington that presidents would serve two terms. And the reason for that was that we felt as if presidents hung around longer than that, there would be corruption, There would be no check on corruption, that the president himself would become an elective monarch. That was the phrase that people use. The founders used to describe the threat of a president who stuck around for an extended period of time after the death of FTR. Conservatives in Washington pushed for the 22nd Amendment because they feared dangerous concentrations of power that resided in a president who stuck around for more than two terms. And when you hear Steve Bannon talk about President Trump being an instrument of divine will, it does sound as if he's describing him as a monarch. That's the way that people talked about kings in queens in the past. And that's a very un American thing to talk about.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

China played a role at all in.

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Establishing peace between Cambodia and Thailand in their recent conflict. Did China help in that process?

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

They weren't involved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

They weren't involved.

Will you still sign over, preside over this?

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

Malaysia was involved, actually, so Malaysia helped us. One of the reasons I'm going to Malaysia is they were very, very much involved in that, the whole thing, Thailand and all. And I told the leader of Malaysia, who's a very good man, I said, I think I owe you a trip. That's why we're stopping in Malaysia. For that reason. Malaysia was very much involved.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This week you said that you don't.

Think that China would make any moves on Taiwan.

What gives you that idea?

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

China would what?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Would make any moves on Taiwan.

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

What makes you think, I hope they won't. We'll have to see. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. I hope they won't. It would be very dangerous for them to do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Are you open to changing US Policy on Taiwan?

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

Well, I don't want to talk about that now. I don't want to create any complexity. The trip is already complex enough.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Right.

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

But, you know, I think China wants to have 10 great years. And they can, they can. Or they can have some bad years and they don't want that. And we're going to have a very good meeting.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that.

[Tom Fitton]

I know you try to do everything.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

In the world to stop that, but.

[Tom Fitton]

You'Re not going to stop it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's going to happen.

[Tom Fitton]

And where do people like that go to share the big lie?

[Stephen K. Bannon]

MAGA Media I wish in my soul.

[Tom Fitton]

I wish that any of these people had a conscience.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

If that answer is to save my.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Country, this country will be saved. War Room here's your host Stephen k. Band. Saturday 25th October in the year of earlier 2025 the President is en route to Asia for for a series of meetings that may be the most among the most important of his presidency as he will confront to negotiate with Xi. That will be Wednesday night US time approximately 10 o' clock to probably is going to be a two or three hour meeting. 10 o' clock looks like to maybe midnight 1 o' clock in the morning. We are going to do it live on Real America's Voice like these specials we've been doing from Israel and other places. We're going to do it live the War Room in Real America's voice at 10pm we'll refine the time as we get closer but 10pm to whenever it ends with commentary and observations and we'll have the top notch crew that we always have for these incredibly important a carrier battle group now is off the coast of Venezuela and a lot of consternation. The Telegraph I'll get this up later. The Daily Telegraph has a great piece of a piece up there about how President Trump in hemispheric defense is finally thrown down the gauntlet against Wait for it. The Chinese Communist Party wants to make sure the Chinese Communist Party is not in business with dictators like Maduro in in Venezuela. Although right this being cast is against the cartels and I know a lot of people are working on some sort of potential deal to get Maduro out before the United States has to resort to basically gunfire because that could be a messy one particularly as I keep warning people if the people in Venezuela are not 100% on board you could lead into a civil war that the United States could get sucked into for a long time. So carry a battleground in Venezuela. Venezuela. Witkoff is meeting with an emissary of Putin in Miami today. They continue talks there and hopefully work out and unwind this given authorization to the Ukrainians for long range hits. A lot going on in Israel. I'll get to that a little later. But earthquake in Ireland. Bradley Thayer who's been monitoring this for us and we'll have a bunch of Irish folks on the show, money. How's that? We could have some Irishmen on the show on Monday talk about this. So Thayer, in this kind of gun decked election because only the elites can actually put forward who's going to run. So it's a total lack of enthusiasm for any of the real any of the candidates that are up there. I think it's 55 to 60% of the country did not vote in this presidential election, just rejected all the candidates, said, you know, I can't be bothered. In addition, the spoil votes, which is something we've been driving with many of the people in Ireland, which is just to write something on the ballot to let them know what you think, send a message, but don't vote for a candidate is anywhere from maybe 15 to 20%. Is that, I know it's coming into some of the bigger districts. So where do we stand? Is it 15 to 20% of spoiled votes? Another 60% of the country rejected all the candidates and just did not vote. Does that mean we're going to be around 2/3, 60% to maybe 2/3 of Irishmen are now standing against the political class in Ireland?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Yes, Steve, it's going to be. We'll know the results this afternoon our time. But it's overwhelmingly that voter turnout is extremely low, which is a key sign. And then the spoil the vote as you indicated, is ranging in constituencies from lows of about 10% to highs of about 22% of the votes cast. So it's indicating of course there's a tremendously significant result. The Irish people are fed up with what they've had to endure from their government and this is a big step forward. So normally the candidate there's a hard left, a communist named Catherine Connolly, who's going to be declared the winner. But the true indication of the true outcome of this election is the voice of the people saying that they reject what the Irish government, the Irish elite have been doing. It's a rejection of globalism, it's a rejection of the establishment and it's a very important step forward in Ireland. And should be seen as another development. Just as we had in September, the Unite the Kingdom. Tommy Robinson's Unite the Kingdom in the uk, the remarks from the Japanese prime minister rejecting immigration and Trump's activities. Right. This, the west is tired of this. People are demanding change now. Actually converting that into real political change is going to be the next step, of course, in Ireland, but it's a very positive development. Good news today from the Irish people. And Steve, just the last point.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

May we see it?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Yeah. You've got 5 million people living in Ireland. And of those 5 million people over about 22% are foreign born. And that's not counting the migrants, as they're called, who've come in really since 2022. So you've had tremendous demographic change in Ireland. The people don't want it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

No.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

The ballots, many of the spoiled ballots wrote she was 10 years old. Right. Referencing the rape of that poor girl last weekend by the migrant in Dublin west in West City. So very important events today in Ireland and positive step forward.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

As an aside, the young girl in France that was raped and beheaded by a, by a, one of these migrants, I call them illegal alien invaders. Her father died I think yesterday from heartbreak. Back to Ireland for a second. We're seeing the rise of Irish national nationalism. It's not going to happen all at one time. They didn't have a candidate this time. So they, they, they rejected the poll class by not turning out. And the ones that turned out, I don't know, 15% or more spoiled the vote. Right. The wrote these messages about the young girl that was raped by a, by an immigrant. Incredibly powerful. Of course, at the same time, ma', am, Donnie, the Marxist jihadist, embracing a tearful presentation, I guess it was yesterday, embraced his Muslim heritage. And that guy's, that guy's phonier than Obama. Better actor than Obama. Much better actor than Obama. The House, the Democrats in the House. I told you, everything they do is around illegal alien invaders. Their press conference yesterday in front of the Capitol was to talk about an app. They have to track all ice maneuver all ICE movements in the country in deporting the mass deportation of illegal alien. Alien invaders. My question to Pam Bondi and to Cash Patel and to Kristi Noem. Doesn't that make them accessories to crimes? Why don't we just go in and arrest them all? Let's arrest everybody in the house. All the House Democrats are at that press conference. To me, should be arrested today. They're trying to provoke an insurrection to protect illegal alien invaders in this country. I think the President called an emergency. Why are they not under arrest? You're going to have to play smash mouth, folks. This is not, this is not a, this is not a afternoon garden party across the globe. They're going to throw down as hard as possible. We have to throw down even harder. Short break. Back in the room in a moment.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thayer's gonna stick around. We're gonna talk about China and our special on Wednesday evening, 10pm until whenever the Xi and President Trump meeting finishes here in real America's Voice, the war room. But you've got a couple of quick statistics I want to go through before bringing Tom Fenton, because the issue Tom Fenton is highlighting with this tweet he had yesterday in the actions of Judicial Watch tie very much to this. Give me. Give me some stats on the vote overall, the direction of the vote in Ireland.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Sure. In terms of spoiled ballots in the last presidential election that Ireland had in 2018, about 1% was spoiled. In this election, you're seeing numbers that are 15%. Right. 15 times in comparison. Additionally, you have a lower turnout in this election. So that combination between greatly increased spoil votes. Many of those votes, of course, carried messages, Steve, that you've referenced. A lot of them voted for Trump, actually, as it turns out. And then.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

So great.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

And then more further depressed turnout. This election shows the rage of the Irish people.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Amazing. Hang on, Dr. Thayer. You and Sigurd were talking about the CCP in the third world war, from Ukraine to Latin America to now the South China Sea and the Straits of Taiwan and the economic part of it, because the Chinese Communist Party has a knife to the throat of the United States with these heavy rare earths. Tom Fenton joins us by phone. Tom, you put out a tweet if you can just go through it. I want to put it up. If Denver could put it up. It's pretty amazing. I want to walk through what Judicial Watch has been accomplishing in regards to illegal aliens and their attempt to vote. Sir?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, Judicial Watch has been cleaning up the voting rolls. The federal law requires the states to take reasonable steps to clean up the roles. That means if someone is registered and moves away or dies or realizes they're not supposed to vote because they're an alien, they're supposed to remove their names eventually. And that has not been done across the country. And we were the first group to begin enforcing this law, privately suing privately to get the states to clean up. And in the last few years, it's resulted in 5 million names being removed from the rolls. I call it dirty names. They're dirty election Rolls that have been cleaned up. California and LA, they removed 1.2 million names thanks to a settlement. In New York, we sued, Steve, we went in. They sued almost immediately. I mean, they settled almost immediately. They've since removed almost a million names from the rolls. In New York City, we see it in California. I mean, in Colorado, in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Kentucky, they removed three quarters of a million names thanks to a settlement and consent decree. And it's just, in my view, the tip of the iceberg. In Illinois, they're not removing names. California, the rest of the state is a mess. In Oregon, they virtually reviewed, removed no names from their rolls, as the law requires. And the law requires not much, which is, you know, if you don't vote in a federal election, they're supposed to send you a card. And if you don't respond to the card or vote within two federal election cycles, meaning four or five years, they're supposed to remove your names. They can't be bothered to do that. And dirty election rolls are kind of a way and an inducement and an opportunity for fraudsters because it's a lot of dirty names under who they could possibly vote. And that's why federal law requires the states to clean them up. And the Justice Department hasn't been doing any of this for years. Judicial Watch was the first one to do this comprehensively.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tom, the dirty the voter rolls that have these illegal aliens on them are the predicate of how you steal elections. This is why Democrats, because everything around them politically is about illegal aliens. But what excuse when you go in and have and Judicial Watch has to go in and take its resources and sue, what arguments do these states put up and the Democratic Party put up for keeping illegal aliens, people obviously not eligible to vote on the voter rolls. Sir?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, there are no reasonable arguments. They fight whether we have the right to sue. And three courts have authorized our cases to go forward just in the last few months in Illinois, California and Oregon. I mean, I just told you, you know, LA county agreed to remove a million names. New York, a million names. They don't have an argument. We essentially come in and catch them and they say what we say, you haven't removed the records. What's the reason? And there is no legal reason. And they settle. Illinois, for instance, they've got let me look at the numbers here for Illinois, because people are going to be. Because if there's one anecdotal thing, and I'm sure you see this about people who move away and they still get ballots despite them being moved away for 30 years in Illinois, they. Or actually in California, they've got a fifth of its counties remove few or no registrations. Under this law, 19 counties failed to report any data regarding registrations removed because of the death of a voter. Illinois informed the feds that 34 counties simply failed to report any data about removals. So what we're talking about is millions of extra names on the rolls. Despite our removing 5 million. I'm guessing there's about 20 million plus extra names on the rolls right now. And these are people who shouldn't be on the rolls. And as I say, that's a pool for fraudsters to draw from. Does it mean they're all voting illegally? No. Does it mean they're all fraud? They're all legal votes? No. It's just the opportunity is huge for fraudsters because of this problem.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I just want to make sure I got this. You guys have been fighting, using your resources. You have now 5 million names of illegal aliens off the rolls. You're saying your best estimate, you think there's another 20 million to go?

[Tom Fitton]

Probably, yeah.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Unbelievable. Now is Harmony Dillon.

[Tom Fitton]

That's the back of my memory. It's really incredible.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's Harmeet now, since she's there. Are you guys meeting with her? Is she picking this up? Is the Justice Department? Because as you know, this is top of mind for a guy named President Trump. Are they picking up some of the slack there so we don't have to have Judicial Watch burn through your resources to do this?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, I'm not aware of any suits they filed to clean up the rolls. Directly they've started asking questions about the names on the rolls. Right. Part of their efforts is to get information about what's going on. And of course, the left is attacking them for doing that. So they're way behind. I mean, they're trying to begin, but as if with everything the Justice Department does, it's really slow.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tom, I know you're fighting on many fronts. Can you get us up to speed? What's the center of gravity of the current top of mind issues that you guys deal with every day over at Judicial Watch?

[Tom Fitton]

Well, you know, on the election thing, the other aspect of it is counting ballots that arrive after election day. We were just in the Supreme Court two weeks ago making arguments. And Illinois, they count ballots that arrive for up to two weeks after election day. And the courts there said candidates don't have the right to sue. So we're trying to get the Supreme Court to say, yeah, candidates can sue to chop an election from being Stolen, which obviously was the big issue in 2020, as you know. And in California, they count ballots that arrive for up to seven days after election. We found out there that there were two Democrats in the House because of ballots that were counted after election day. And if I were in the House, I'd be asking, why is that the case? We should be seeding the folks who lost due to this illicit vote counting. Because federal law states you got to count the ballots on election or you got to count ballots that arrive by election day. We have an election day, not election week, not an election month. You got 20 states to do that. These are kind of low. This is low hanging fruit in terms of ensuring cleaner elections. You know, make sure the rolls are clean, don't count ballots that get there late. I mean, Trump mentioned it in an executive order. He said it's like someone showing up three days after election day and asking the poll, asking the ballots to be open, you know, the polls to be opened up again. It's not the way it's supposed to work. And then of course, the other big issue, Steve, is where are the prosecutions? I know there have been some prosecutions, but not on the core issues about the FBI trying to destroy a republic last year. I don't know what's happening. I kind of do know what's happening. To the degree the Justice Department wants to do anything, it's hampered by their own internal machinations, the deep state, etc. And I keep on saying this, and you and I have talked about this before, the President has got to bypass the Justice Department and the FBI in these investigations of the lawfare against them. A, they're the agencies that did it, so they're compromised and conflicted. Plus they've got so many bad guys in their midst they can't even do it even if they wanted to. Effectively, efficiently and quick and really quickly. And B, he has the authority, or C, whatever. I'm lost track of my letters. He has the authority to appoint a special counsel himself and run it separately from the Justice Department. How many stories do we need to hear about Justice Department prosecutors refusing to prosecute someone who they like, who is an avowed anti Trumper, simply because they don't want to do it.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah, Tom, hang on for one second. We're just gonna hold Tom Finton from Judicial Watch who's nailing the central issue about the prosecution of the Deep State. Short break.

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[Stephen K. Bannon]

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[Tom Fitton]

Well, he should appoint a special prosecutor reports to him, not to the attorney general, not to the FBI director staff him with or her whoever it may be with federal law enforcement other than the agencies involved. And they would have to follow all the rules any other prosecutor would. I mean they can't violate civil liberties. They have to follow the grand juries. You know it all those protections are in place. But the question is who does it and who makes the call in the end about whether investigations and prosecutions ultimately proceed? It should be the president in consultation with his special prosecutor and the attorney general and the FBI. They have a whole lot of other issues to care about and to be fair to them, there's a lot else going on. And you see this internally where the Justice Department is still protecting people. If you don't like Trump, you get special protections from the Justice Department as they try to derail investigations and prosecution. And the judges, obviously he can't control directly, but you're seeing it already. You had out and out with Comey and. And Tish James. They're already combining their. Their vindictive prosecution motion into one one issue, which is just crazy. They're two separate cases. So, you know, he needs to get the best of the best working for him directly, because once they're put into the Justice Department, there's a whole other culture and, and, and politics that go on that in my way, in my way of thinking, is going to prevent full justice from being done. And that's all we want, is justice. And I fear unless something dramatically changes shortly, it's too late.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Tom Fenton, you are laboring 24 hours a day, seven days a week as the people's Justice Department. Where do people go for all your content? You're putting up stuff on Instagram and your social media, sir.

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah, we're on Twitter @TomFitton or X, I guess they're not supposed to call it. We're on YouTube, rumble, Facebook, everywhere. The Judicial Watch is one of the most widely supported grassroots groups in the country, certainly on the conservative side of the aisle. And we'[e-mail] there's simply no one doing what we're doing in terms of the litigation and the investigation and, dare I say it, the basic education, because most of D.C. is based on allowing or hoping that Americans are kept ignorant of what. Of what the way the Constitution requires our country be run. And I just call them as I see him. The president's the chief executive. He's the chief magistrate. He should be running the prosecutions. We've got election. We got election laws. They should be followed and enforced. Everything else is a distraction to stop the Constitution and the rule of law from being implemented in a way that preserves and protect the report preserves and protects the republic. We got to. We. We've got to get back to the basics.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

When you go over to. And I want everybody to go over and check out that's not a member hasn't donated or actually start by reading what they're doing over to Judicial Watch, I'm gonna give you the highest recommendation possible in the war room. After my mom died in the early 90s, I would try to. Whether I was on the west coast or anywhere. Spend as many weekends back in my hometown of Richmond with my dad. And you know, he died at a over 100 years old a couple of years ago. Every time I showed up late on a Friday night or very early on a Saturday morning, we had a cup of coffee and started talking and catching up. He would pull out on his kitchen table, which he always had his stack of things he was working on, his judicial watch newsletter. And he would go through page by page and drill me on what was going on. And he said every time that the donation. He was not a wealthy guy, but donation he would give to different organizations. He would say the best bang for my buck I get is Tom Fitton. Tom, there's not a higher. Yeah, he was. He was biggest fan. I mean, just incredible.

[Tom Fitton]

Yeah, yeah. It's a great news, Tom.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Thank you.

[Tom Fitton]

It goes out to 700,000 people. People who get it. It's great.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

And it's incredible. You're so detailed. I mean, he was drilling. I go, hey, let me get back.

[Political Commentator or Analyst]

To you on that one.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

I was looking for more about the.

[Tom Fitton]

Cases than I do.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

That's the war room posse. No, that's the word posse. I was looking for a commercial break while I was drilling. Me, Tom Fenton. Love you, brother. Keep fighting.

[Tom Fitton]

Thank you.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

One of the most important guys in our movement, Tom Fenton. I'm a move some things around. We got. There's going to stick with me. I'll get back to him on China. I want to get to Alex Degrasse. So Degrasse, here's what's happened. And starting next week, we're going to have you on obviously more regularly. We got 21 gross seats. This is not about the DEI Supreme Court, you know, getting rid of the racial Germany. These are. These are ones just from the natural flow of in. In. In states itself. Right. In the flow of people in states and two states. Demographic and geographic changes. There are 21, as you've mapped out gross seats, districts that we can pick up now by fair redistricting. We got five in Texas because of the Warren posse and Brian Harrison. The team at Patriot Mobile, California is about to get five back because the California has been very inept. The. The. And the people out there are great, but they're just not organized and they're not focused and I hate to say it. And they're going to get straight smoked on it looks like they're going to get smoked on this. So let's assume they pick up five. The effort that you had going and we were Rolling is now being thwarted by two things. Number one, states like Maryland and Virginia, Virginia just come up this way. They're going to try to move their primaries back to August next year when Spanberger's governor, they're going to do this. So you have Democrats are sitting there going, no, we're going to actually gerrymander our states. Worse than the gerrymander. Now places is like Illinois is going to try to get a couple of seats back. Maryland is going to get a couple of seats back. So this is a dogfight, as we always measure. But more importantly, the rhinos and cowards in the Republican Party, Kelly Ayotte up in New Hampshire, you got the situation Indiana. But all over, all of a sudden you're seeing, you know, the Pence crowd and the traditional Republicans kind of that Bush Pence, you know, Republican Chamber of Commerce apparatus saying, oh no, no, no, this is too hard. So we're getting blowback from that. It is absolutely essential that we win the reducing wars now. Sir, can you give us an update?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, that's exactly right, Steve. I mean, really, since the last time I was on, which was maybe about a couple of weeks, I mean, we've seen just a massive maybe call it a counteroffensive of just sort of whether it be like you said, Democrats moving to redistrict or put in process the seats to be changed this election. Obviously we had always tracked what the following election that they were going to do obviously in New York and some other states where they had some hurdles. But yeah, I mean, Steve, we have to. The posse has to dig deep, has to push harder. That's the reality of this. I don't think our guys are getting the pressure, light pressure. What I mean by that, you know, educational. But I think we're going to have to kind of turn up the heat rhetorically, of course, and really hammer these people. Because you look at some of these statements that are coming out from some of these state senators and you want to like jump out of a window. It means to disgusting stuff. Oh, we got to conserve this. That, you know, both sides, it's like, what the hell? You know, this is crazy talk from some of these kind of Mitch Daniels, Pence, you know, type people. You've got the issue in New Hampshire. In New Hampshire, we spoke clearly. I mean, the legislator has the power to put this thing through without the governor. There's absolutely zero reason why anyone should be listening to whatever she has to say. Okay. I mean, we would have had a seat already. News flash, if Sununu didn't veto the first time during the normal redistricting process. He actually, people forget it. He vetoed the bill to pick up one seat which is, you know, a disaster I think for his family name and should be talked about. We can't afford any error here because the reality is every seat's gonna count. We need to be picking up this obviously. I think Florida is good to go. Some of these are good to go. Some of these are holding to see what happens with, you know, the VRA case of the Supreme Court. And they think that like Florida, they have the time to move and kind of do one bite at this as maximum as possible. And I understand that but for these ones or we're not getting any movement. Indiana obviously, I think North Carolina is looking positive, but New Hampshire, those are kind of two key areas. That's three seats right there that we really need to kind of get in the door. So we got it. People got to dig deep. You got to go up, go on X. I'm going to be putting some information on who to call and what's going on and we've got to get after it ASAP and primary these people. Frankly, what is.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

This is my point. We got to, we got to start getting tough and play fire. Fire. What Give me example of the Mitch Daniels in the. What are they, these state senators just reiterate to the audience to get their blood boiling so they reach for another, another. Put another pot of Warpath coffee on. Just give some of the examples of some of the mealy mouth excuses. These. Right. We're in the middle of a political war, okay. And we have guys are sitting there so smugly and so high and mighty. Give a couple examples like Mitch Daniels, that cruise.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, Mitch Daniels has come out. You know, we can't really have to resist the pressure from the White House. They're there making this about Trump, which you know, this is okay, you know, making this about Trump. And we have, we don't report to anyone and and of. And some other guys are saying, hey, you know, we have to conserve our values and that acquire you. That requires equal whatever on all sides. And how would we feel if Democrats did this, that hey, news flash, Democrats have been killing us for years at this front. Wake up. I know it must be nice in Indiana and you've got stuff there, nice Republican stuff. But it means nothing if we can't get this done and we can't ensure that Indiana voters are properly represented in Congress because they've been diluted obviously through illegal immigration. In other States and how this thing has been tortured, rigged across the board. I mean, the people of Indiana are hurt in the current sense as they have poor representation, you know, sort of, you understand, I mean, sort of equally out compared to everyone else because they've got these two Democrats each, which they don't need in any capacity. And this is not gerrymandering. This is fair representation for a state that's heavily MAGA among the people. I've never seen more hardcore since when I went out to Indiana and we were out there with the grassroots. It's unbelievable. People really have to do a deep dive in their state representative in these states. You need to call, ask what their position is, look it up online. We'll be putting them out on X because some of these guys are just an absolute disaster. And that is the biggest enemy when you look at it. See that to our progress, something that you and the show have been talking about since Donald Trump went down the escalator. All of us, right? I mean the enemy within our party, the Rhinos, the globalists, the establishment that will stop at nothing really to stop us and are totally agents of the Democrat establishment. There's no other way to look at it. I mean, who cares if there's two seats Democrat, what is it a factor some state senator in some part of Indiana? I mean, why are they feel the need to say all this nasty stuff about the president and you know, all this stuff. I mean, it's. Something weird is going on and the Democrats are putting in millions. And you look at Virginia, Steve, the Democrat trust, which is redistricting trust, which is a totally dark one to group run by Eric Holder, that Obama's been raising money to key situation here. They're dumping millions of dollars into Virginia. Okay? Because they understand now that they're going to get these lines redrawn. The Democrats don't care. They're smashing us all over the place on this stuff. Okay? People need to get a hand on this and get going now. We will not withstand what is coming in the next two years. If we don't make progress in the next couple months, full stop, we will actually lose this fight. We will, we will come off worse. I hate to say. I mean, I'm, I'm not trying to. I'm speaking truth, unfortunately. This is. No, no, people need to get this in their head.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Hang on one second. We're gonna drill down this on some more to make sure that we identify who's slowing us down. Short break. Back in a moment.

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Liquid detergent War room, here's your host, Stephen K. Band. Of course the world is turbulent. President Trump's trying to stop the third World War, both the kinetic part and the economic warfare. We're going to be live 10 o' clock this week, this Wednesday approximately. We'll obviously refine it as we get closer. President Trump's going to sit down with President Xi of China, the dictator of China, to try to work out a trade deal and as importantly, the rare earths. Birchgold.com Easy way to do this. Take your phone out and text Bannon989898 to get the ultimate guide for investing in gold in precious metals in the age of Trump. Do that. Talk to Philip Patrick and Philip Patrick's going to be here at the bottom of the next hour for 30 minutes. We're going to go through some breaking news about gold in the gold market. Degrasse Real quickly, New Jersey early voting. You got any, you got any updates for us? Scott Presser was going to try to join us, but he is out and about on fire on early voting today. Any, any assessment?

[Alex DeGrasse]

Well, it's looking really tight. I think it's been up and down race. I will say we, we've got to dig in deeper, Steve. I mean numbers, I've seen, you know, these ads against Citterella which are false and just come to show how vicious. I think I've really done a number on us. But that doesn't matter. Ultimately if our people come out, we win. And so I think there's a couple of key metrics right now. Obviously the low propensity where maga, that's the key here and they're coming out at a higher number and we have to push that another three or four percentage points. You've got running three or four points ahead on the mail ballot requests. Remember we saw there's requests and return rate. We got to win both of those. Our people have to return the ballots that we have at a higher rate than them. We also need to request the ballots based off Republican, Democrat a higher rate. And so right now we're about tied. It's 51.5% of people that have a mailbot have returned as a Republican and the Democrats are at 52. At this point in 2024, Democrats were pushing 59% return. Our people are at about 55. And so with the 4% Delta. And so when you look at that, you know, we're out running by about three points, which is helpful, but it's also obviously not enough, Steve. I mean we will have to come down to not only fighting every day to turn out vot in this early vote period which goes through November 2nd, but we will need to flood election day like no one's ever seen before. And so, you know, get on the turning point apps. Get what? SCOTT Presser early vote action. Get out there, you know, tons of people. This is the weekend of action. This is the weekend. And then obviously next weekend on the early vote, you got to text everyone. You know, you got to get your list, you got to get it down, you got to get out to vote. Even if you don't leave live in New Jersey, if you know anyone that lives there, check in with them, make sure they vote.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

It's easy.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Huge turnout game. You win New Jersey, you shock the whole thing. You set New York up for a huge victory. I think happening in the city is interesting. I think you see mom Dabi taking on a bit of water. He's obviously propelled by foreign born voters. News flash where he's leaving with them by about 50, 60 points. So things are, things are hot all over the place. But this is A major weekend of action. So I'm glad Pressler is out there and everyone else, God bless and we'll get this done if everyone votes and then we'll come back and we'll go.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Deep dive on where's your okay, starting Monday, you're going to do deep dive. This weekend you'll be putting stuff up on your Twitter about the early vote, where they go. Degrasse at the grass.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Anyone on X on Instagram, get her and all that. Thank you, Steve. And let's make sure we get the vote out.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Who's got get the vote out now. New Jersey could shock the world. And who wins, of course. Mandami, that thing is a. Is a completely rigged deal. Whoever wins the redistricting wars now will win the midterms in 2026. We've said that we've been on here pounded that we'll have you back on Monday. Degrasse, get back to work. Sir, you're a grinder. Thanks, Steve.

[Alex DeGrasse]

Yeah, I'm in the office.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Warriors in the war room, Dr. Bradley Thayer. We're gonna real quickly on she. We're gonna come back. We're gonna have you through the week. Captain Fennell. People from the committee on the present danger on what's happening in Venezuela and particularly this historic trip of President Trump, I think may be the most extended trip, I think of his presidency and probably the most important. Your thoughts, sir?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

It is and matters are now at a head where Xi is doing everything he can do to, as he puts it, right, develop a strategy to advance the new quality production forces to reshape the global competitive landscape. What that means in English is he wants. He's developing a strategy to win AI, quantum computing, biotech, many other related technologies are important, but AI is everything for Xi Jinping because he's looking on technology, AI technology specifically to ensure that there's economic growth in communist China. So, you know, this is why we're. Besset obviously, is in Malaysia meeting with the Chinese, talking through these issues. He's got the knife to our throat on the rare earths, obviously, and magnets. We need to recognize that and respond accordingly. He needs our chips, Steve. You'll remember the debate we had this summer over the Nvidia, the age 20 chips and the agreement that was reached there. All right, we need to cut them off. No more investment from our AI. No more stem, Right. No more students, no more money, no more technology. He's declared economic war against us and we need to respond accordingly. And we'll see. This is why the meeting on Thursday. South Korean time is so important because the matter's at ahead and Xi Jinping is coming off of a very, very important meeting Plenum Plenary Session, 4th Plenary Session this week. So he's got muzzle velocity.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Yeah.

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

And he's not going to be in a mood to compromise with Trump. So they're going to be fireworks.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

All the people said that there was all these firings and letting go and this is she there's a revolt against this that was dead 100% wrong. She is coming at this. And their strategy, the Wall Street Journal had it punch hard and don't give an inch. They're coming for President Trump. They think they got a winning formula and they think they have leverage between TikTok and between the heavy rare earths and the magnets. They think they got us. They do. Trump's going to figure a way out that's we're going to cover it live and be up with people people all week to tee up this historic meeting between the dictator that runs China and the president of these United States out there. Where do people go to get your writings and social media all weekend?

[Dr. Bradley Thayer]

Yes. Steve, thanks very much. Brad Theron next and Bradley Theron, Getter and Truth. Thank you, Steve.

[Stephen K. Bannon]

Aaron, go bra. Another update on Monday with they are in a bunch of Irishmen home title on every dream you've ever had is in that home if you're lucky enough to own one. If you're under 35, you kind of feel like a Russian surf. Don't own one. Don't know if you're going to own one. Hometitle lock.com promo code Steve don't let every dream you had turn into a nightmare. Don't let somebody, a rogue lawyer or accountant, maybe a family member or AI, artificial intelligence or cyber get their grips on that title and do something. Either sell your property, sell your house or take a second out that you have to pay back. You will not be a war room posse member at the ramparts with fixed bayonets because you'll be figuring out how to pay that off. Hometitleck.com promo code Steve Short break. Back in a moment.

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