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Sign up for free and be part of the movement. So, guys, Yud and Nate, join us. The book, if anyone builds it, everyone dies. It is a warning and a deeply thought through warning to humanity and to the citizens of this republic. Guys, we've been accused a lot on the war room of being Luddites that we just don't like technology. We don't like the oligarchs, we don't like the tech bros. We're populous nationalists. We just don't like them. Right? And so we want to stop them. But I keep telling people, I say, hey, in this regard, all I'm doing is putting out the information of some of the smartest guys that were there at the beginning of the building of artificial intelligence. Now, can folks make the argument against you guys that you just have become proto Luddites because of your journey?
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You know, there are many technologies that I am quite bullish on. I personally think America should be building more nuclear power. I personally think we should be building supersonic jets. It's different when a technology risks the lives of everybody on the planet. And this is not a very controversial point these days. You have the Nobel laureate prize winning founder of the field saying he thinks this is very dangerous. You have people inside these labs saying, yes, it's very dangerous, but we're going to rush ahead anyway, even at the risk of the entire world. This is a crazy situation. If a bridge was going to collapse with very high probability, we wouldn't say, well, we need to leave it up for the sake of technology. When NASA launches rockets into space, it accepts a 1 in 270 risk of that rocket blowing up. And those are volunteer astronauts on the crew. That's the sort of risk they're willing to accept. With AI, we are dealing with much, much higher dangers than that. We're dealing with a technology that just kills you. We're trying to build smarter than human machines while having no idea of how to point them in. A good direction to imagine that this is Luddites. We're not saying, oh, this is going to have some bad effect on the everyday worker in losing a job. AIs may have those effects, but the chatbots may have those effects. But a super intelligence, it kills everybody. Then you'll have no jobs. You'll also have full employment, but that's just the default course this technology takes. It's not that humanity cannot progress technologically, it's that we shouldn't race over a cliff edge in the name of technology. We need to find some saner way forward towards the higher tech future.
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Okay, so Yud to Nate's point, you know, we had this thing in England today where they're full on all nuclear powers because we need it. You know, all the climate change guys forget that we need this because we've got to have artificial intelligence. You have this concept of a treaty, like maybe the Geneva treaty after the wars to have nations of the world be prepared to take action here. However, all you hear, we're the leader of the anti CCP movement in this country, have been for years. I'm sanctioned fully by the Chinese Communist Party and can't have any association with any Chinese company or people because we represent Lao, Beijing, the little guy in China. What they're holding up to us is that if we follow Yud and Nate and what they want to do in the war room, that the ccp, particularly after Deep seat, that what they call the Sputnik moment, that the Chinese Communist Party is going to build this technology and then we're going to have the most evil dictatorship in the world, have control of the most evil technology ever created, and we're going to be at their beck and call. Your response, sir?
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We have not advocated that the United States, or the United Kingdom for that matter, try to unilaterally relinquish artificial intelligence. Our position is that you need an international treaty, you need verification. The Chinese government has at least overtly seemed on some occasions to present a posture of being willing to acknowledge that AI is a worldwide matter and that there might be cause for coordination among nations to prevent the Earth itself from being wiped out. And this is not a new situation in politics. We have had countries that hated each other work together to prevent global thermonuclear war, which is not in the interest of any country. You look back at history in the 1950s, a lot of people thought humanity wasn't going to make it, or at least civilization wasn't going to make it. We were going to have a nuclear war. And that wasn't them enjoying being pessimistic. There was this immense historical momentum. They'd seen World war, World War II. They thought that what was going to happen is that every country is going to build its own nuclear fleet and eventually there'd be a spark and the world would go up in flames. And that didn't happen. And the reason it didn't happen is because of some pretty serious efforts put forth by countries that in many cases hate each other's guts to at least work together on not all dying in a fire. And that's what we need to reproduce today.
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Nate, before I let you guys bounce, can you explain the title of the book? It's pretty grabbing, but it's scary. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. What do you guys mean by that?
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I mean, what we mean is that if humanity builds smarter than human AI using anything remotely like the current technology and anything remotely like the current lack of understanding, then every human being will die. Doesn't matter if you're in a bunker. Superintelligence can transform the world more than that. And this title also goes back to the point about China. It's not that great dictators would be able to control this great power if they made it. If you make a superintelligence, you don't have that superintelligence. You've just created an entity that has the planet. Artificial intelligence would be able to radically transform the world. And if we don't know how to make it do good things, we shouldn't do it at all. And we are nowhere near close being able to point superintelligence in a good direction. So humanity needs to back off from this challenge.
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Joe Allen, any comments? All I can say is the forces of capital, the forces of politics, human avarice and greed, and also the need for power makes this. You know, we fight Big Pharma. The fights we have every day are massive against long odds, and we've won more than we've lost. But I tell people this is the hardest one I've ever seen because of what's happened. And I said at that time at Davos, or when we had the thing At Davos, when ChatGPT came out, I said, you wait till venture capital, Wall street gets involved. Any thoughts, Joe Allen?
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You know, Steve, it would be a very different thing if Eliezer Yudkowski and Nate Suarez were making these accusations, or at the very least, issuing these warnings in a vacuum. If the tech companies, for instance, were just simply saying, we're building tools, these guys are Accusing us of building gods. They're crazy. It'd be a very different situation. But that's not the situation. Every one of them, even the most moderate, like Demis Hassabis, but certainly Sam Altman, Elon Musk, even Dario Amadei, they all are talking about the creation of artificial general and artificial super intelligence. And so when we first started covering, when you first brought me on four and a half years ago, we hit a lot of the points that Yudkowski was making. We would show videos and try to explain to the audience and they by and large didn't really grasp the reality of it because it wasn't as much of a reality four and a half years ago. In just that short amount of time, we've seen the creation of systems that can competently produce computer code. We saw at the very beginning GPT was not supposed to be online. Very quickly that ended basically all the warnings that Yudkowski gave early, early on when AI was hitting the headlines, those are coming to pass. My question for Yudkowski would be this and for Suarez, you live in and among the most techno saturated culture in the country, San Francisco. Can you give us some insight into the mentality of the people who are willing to barrel ahead no matter what and create these systems, even if that means the end of the human race?
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So some of them have just come out and said, you know, I had a choice between being a bystander and being a participant and I preferred being a participant. That is in some sense enough to explain why these people are barreling ahead. Although I think in real life there's a bunch of other explanations too. Like the people who started these companies back in 2015 are the sort of people who are able to convince themselves it would be okay to gamble with the whole civilization like this. You know, we've seen comments like back in 2015, I believe Sam Altman said something like, AI might kill us all, but there'll be good companies along the way. Or I think he maybe even said artificial general intelligence will probably kill us all, but there will be great companies made along the way. I don't know the exact quote, but that mentality, there's, it's not someone taking seriously what they're doing. It's not someone treating with gravity what they're doing. This wouldn't be an issue if they couldn't also make greater and greater intelligences. But in this world where we're just growing intelligences, where people who don't know what they're doing and are the most optimistic people that were foolish enough to start the companies can just grow these AIs to be smarter and smarter. That doesn't lead anywhere good.
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Yed any comments?
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You know, when Geoffrey Hinton, now Nobel laureate Geoffrey Hinton sort of woke up and noticed that it was starting to be real, he quit Google and started speaking out about these issues more openly. Now, who knows how much money he was turning down by doing that, but that's what he did. And that's one kind of person that you have on the playing field. And then you've also got the people who were selected and filtered for being the sort of people who would, back when OpenAI started, go over to Elon Musk and say, you know, how we can solve the problem of these things we can't control, we can put them in everyone's house, we can give everyone their own copy. And this was never valid reasoning. This was always kind of moon logic. But they sure got Elon's money and then, you know, took it and ran off. And that's just the kind of. That's just the kind of people we're dealing with here.
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Guys, can you hear for one second? I just want to hold you through the break because I want to give people access to how to get this book, where to get it, your writing, social media, all of it. Y and Nate heroes. Very hard what they're doing. Very, very, very, very hard. Short commercial break. We're back in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Nate and Yud, by the way, just where I let you guys go and give your coordinates and tell people how to pie this amazing book. Purchase this book, which we're going to break down, spend more time on, folks. And in the days ahead, there's a movie called Mountainhead which basically has actors playing Elon Musk, Steve Jobs, I think Zuckerberg and Altman. And it turns out it's actually kind of dark to begin with, but it turns very dark when one becomes. They identify one as a decelerationist. Are you guys. Nate, you first. Are you a decelerationist about this?
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I would decelerate AI. I would decelerate any technology that could wipe us all out and prevent us from learning from mistakes. Every other technology, I think we need to go full steam ahead and are sometimes hobbling ourselves. But AI in particular, any technology that kills everybody and leaves no survivors, you can't rush ahead on that.
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Yud, are you a decelerationist?
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I've got libertarian sympathies. If a product only kills the voluntary customers and maybe the person who sold it, that's kind of between them. I might have sympathy, but not to the point where I try to take over their lives about it. If a product kills people standing next to the customer, it's a regional matter. Different cities, different states can make different rules about it. If a product kills people on the other side of the planet, that's everybody's problem. And you don't have to agree with me to want Umami to not die here about this part, but I would happen to go full steam ahead on nuclear power. Yeah, it's just the special case here, artificial intelligence, gain of function. Research on viruses might be another thing, but it does actually differ by the technology. There's not this one switch that's set to accel or decel.
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Yud, by the way, what's your social media? I might add we were the first show in January of 2020 to say about what the University of North Carolina was doing on gain of function was a danger to humanity and were laughed at by the mainstream media as being conspiracy theorists. Yud, what is your. What are your coordinates? What's your social media? How do people follow you?
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Your thinking you're writing ES Yudkowski on Twitter.
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Thank you, sir. Nate, where do people go to get you?
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Yeah, I'm so8residential on Twitter.
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Thank you, guys. Actually, we're very honored to have you on. Look forward to having you back and break down this book even more. Everybody ought to go get it. If anyone. If anyone builds it. Everyone Dies. A landmark book everyone should get and read. Thank you guys for joining us in the war room. Joe Allen's going to stick with us. I'm going to go back to Joe in a moment. Shamaine, you're an ambassador. First off, you're one of the ambassadors of Turning Point. Give me your thoughts of what's evolved this week. And you know, we got Charlie's funeral or celebration of life on Sunday. Give me your. Give me. You knew him extremely well and you do the faith show here on Real America's Voice, but you're an ambassador at Turning Point. Your thoughts about this tragic week.
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It's been horrific for so many people. It's been a turning point for not just America, but for the world. And we saw Charlie as the last good guy. And for this to happen to him is just devastating to so many people. And so many people are wondering, what do we do? What do we do with all this anger and sadness? And I say silence is not an option at this point. We must move forward. We Must carry that torch that Charlie gave us. So that's what I'm trying to do with my Faith and Freedom show right here on Real America's Voice. And I appreciate that. I think I am the oldest turning point Point ambassador. I have to be. I don't know anybody older.
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But hang on. That's just by a lot of chronological or bio or chronological age. It's certainly not biological age. You got more energy. You've got more energy than 20 young people. How do you. How do you do it? I mean, I see where you're going with this show. You're an ambassador. Hey, I just. I'm just. I'm just calling it. I'm just calling balls and strikes here.
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Well, it's true.
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Tell me about it. Tell me what keeps you so young besides your husband, which I know is young. He's young at heart, or it's like parenting a young child. Besides Ted, what keeps you young?
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See, that's a whole nother podcast, okay, about Ted and trying to stay young. But I think you're right. There's a study recently about epigenetics, which is the science that shows your DNA is not your destiny. None of us eat, right, so we all take supplements, right? Most of us do. But there's so many different fruit and vegetable supplements on the market. And if you study their ingredients, which I have, I'm a label reader, it's just common produce with limited nutritional value. There's a product called field of Greens, and it's different. And they wanted to prove that it was different by doing a university study where each fruit and vegetable in field of Greens is medically selected for health benefits. There's heart health, lungs, kidney, liver, Healthy metabolism. Metabolism and healthy weight. And in this study, see, they wanted to see how diet, exercise, and lifestyle changed your real age. And this is fascinating to me, but some of the participants, they ate their normal diets, including fast food. They didn't exercise anymore, and they didn't stop drinking. All they did is add field of greens to their daily routine. And the results were remarkable. 60% of participants showed a measurable reduction in their biological aging markers after just 30 days. One scoop of field of greens slows the body's aging process at the cellular level. And I think this was what helped me because I've worked out all my life. I. I'll be honest, I don't eat right all the time. So just by taking one scoop of field of greens, I can see that aging slow down.
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Fieldofgreens.com, promo code band and get 20% off. It'll ship out today. We hit it every day here at the war room. Not as it have all the about this Texas A and M study but also I get an energy boost shamain and just every day. So that's where we take it. I want to thank you for all you do and particularly being an ambassador and helping the folks over at Turning Point, particularly in this very difficult phase for the movement, for the company, for Erica, the kids, everybody. So I really want to thank you for joining us today.
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Well, we have to it's an Esther 414 moment. If we remain silence, silent, relief and deliverance is going to come from someplace else. We were born Steve, for such a time as this.
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Shemaine Nugent, thank you very much. Wisdom and energy all in one. Thank you ma'. Am.
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Appreciate you.
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Dr. Navarro, you were our co host, you were the contributor, you were the president. You've been with the president now for 10 years. You're his economic advisor. But tell me about you wrote this piece that's pretty moving and I think it's so tied to your book about you went to prison so that we don't have to talk to me about Charlie Kirk.
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Steve, I really want people to understand the legacy of Charlie Kirk. Historically he could have been president. He certainly would have been a governor. But He Already at 31 years old, he's the greatest political organizer in the last 50 years. And if you compare them to the two who were there at the top before Charlie Kirk, Ralph Reed on the right, David Axelrod on the left. What Ralph Reid did with the Christian Coalition is mobilize the Christian right to get out and actually vote. He was responsible for the Gingrich Revolution in 1994 as well as the Bush win in 2000. And then Axelrod on the left, he was able to mobilize a natural Democrat constituent blacks, Hispanics and young people use micro targeting some advanced kind of techniques at the time and basically won the race for Obama in 2008. The reason why Charlie is head and shoulders above each one of them is he had a much heavier lift. Steve, to mobilize the youth in support of MAGA and Trump and MAGA candidates in Congress, he had to first bring him over to our side and that was a heavy lift and he did it. When I first met him, Charlie, back in 2016, young kid thinking he was going to go out there and change the viewpoint of the youth of America. I thought he was Don Quixote. I'll be honest with you, Steve. He Proved me wrong, he proved the world wrong. And people need to understand. Father, husband, patriot. Just a wonderful human being. That's here. But in terms of pure historical significance, he will go down in history as the greatest political organizer the last 50 years. And I don't think anybody's ever going to do again what he did, because it's relatively easy to mobilize. It's very difficult to persuade people over to your side and then mobilize. Steve.
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Hang on for a second. I want to. Because you got your PhD at Harvard, then you went back, you taught in the university system. When I first saw Charlie, I think Breitbart's the first guy to give him a paid gig. But some of the people around Breitbart were what financed him at the very beginning when he was going after student governments. And I think many people who thought Charlie was just a ball of fire thought it was the longest odds because. And you thought so too, because the universities, as we know now, are so it is based around this kind of radical philosophy. And the kids are formed all the way from kindergarten all the way up. So it's. So that is, to me, the great, the greatness of Charlie Kirk that he was able to go in and just do this when so many people said, hey, look, this guy's great, he's fantastic, but this is Don Quixote. You're tilting at windmills here. It just can't happen. And you knew it better than anybody because you were inside the belly of the beast.
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Well, I'm brutal. I spent 25 years at the University of California in Irvine. And if there's a system that ever was woke, that certainly is it. But what Charlie understood, he didn't start at Harvard and Cornell. He understood that most of the universities of this country are in flyover country. And he just rolled his sleeves up. He was tireless. He went out there and Socratically, I mean, when I taught in the classroom, I was a big fan of the Socratic method. You can't tell people things. You've got to have them come to their own conclusions. And that's how Charlie was able to bring people home to maga and very keen intellect. I mean, fast forward. It's like when I got out of prison, you know, the day I got out of prison, July 17, I went to the Republican National Committee, gave the speech, I went to prison. So you won't have to. The title of the book is actually a tagline from the speech. It means like a wake up call. But I mentioned this in the context of Charlie, because I didn't even know this, but two days earlier I saw a clip was shown, I was on the set of a shortly after he got killed and he, he was giving a speech on my birthday, July 15th, two days before me. And he said, I visited college campuses so you won't have to. And it, I mean, the way I just somehow it struck a warm chord in me and I felt like we were fellow travelers. And you know, I'm on the campaign trail getting out of prison with the boss, my fiance, Pixie, in the book, I call her Bonnie. You know her well, Steve. She'd been on your show. We'd see Charlie everywhere, right? Everywhere we'd go. We were in Georgia, North Carolina, we were in Pennsylvania. He was always there. And then during the transition, he was essentially Sergio Gore's co pilot there, putting all the personnel together in the administration. And look, the boss, Charlie was like a son to Donald John Trump as well as a key advisor, one of his most trusted advisors. So he'll be missed. I'm going to try to hit you right out. Peter Hay, Air Force One on Sunday and be there. I'm sure you'll be covered.
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Hang on one second. Yeah, yeah, hang on a second. We're doing wall to wall coverage of it. I want to hold you through the break cuz I want to talk about the book for a second. Back in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
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Okay, thank you. By the way, gold retract a little bit today. It's not the price of gold, it's the process of how you get to the value of gold. Make sure you take your phone out right now and text Bannon B A N N O N 989898 to get the ultimate guide, which has to be free Investing Gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Trump. So go check it out. We had a rate cut last night, only 25 basis points. President Trump wants more. His Steve Mirren, the Council on Economic Advisors chair, is now the, I guess the interim governor. He voted against it, won a 50 basis point cut. Go find out why gold has been a hedge for times of financial turbulence in mankind's history. Joe Allen, I know you got a bolt. Just give your coordinates. You can't be on tonight because you're going to be at one of the conferences. I'm going to get you back on hopefully tomorrow. We had a historic interview today on the book. If anyone builds it, everyone dies. Very uplifting. Where do people go to get your writing, sir?
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If the audience Wants to hear the in depth interview I did with Nate Soares a couple of weeks ago. It's right at the top of my social media, oebotxyz. Also an article about the hearing two days ago with Josh Hawley and the parents of children who have. Who were lured into suicide by AI. That's also up at the top of my social media. Oebotxyz or JoeBot XYZ.
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Yeah, we are backed up on a lot of stuff because of the Charlie Kirk situation was obviously a priority, including designating antifa terrorist groups so we can get to the bottom of all of it and not just have this dealt with by Utah officials as a single murder. It's much deeper than that. What? The assassination of Charlie Kirk. Joe Allen, thank you so much, Josh. How are you supposed to be here today? Because we had the press conference and right there on the screen you see the President of the United States getting ready to leave to the. To go to the airfield to take Air Force One back. He'll arrive later tonight. Of course, we'll be covering all of that. Peter Navarro, one of President Trump's closest advisors, and I think arguably the longest advisor. I think you're the only one who's been there from the very, very, very beginning that's still there. Why should, in a world of all this information, everything going on, as big a hero as you are to this movement, as highly respected as you are by President Trump, because you're kind of the architect with him of the reorganization of the world's trading patterns. Why should people buy a book about you and your days in prison, sir?
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It's not about me, Steve. And I would ask the posse to go right now to Amazon. I went to prison so you won't have to. The book is really the best analysis of how the left is going after all of this. If they can come for me, they can come for Steve Bannon, put him in prison. If they can try to put Trump in prison now, they shot Charlie Kirk. They can do this to you and I'll take you into prison. And I went to prison, so you won't have to. But the broad scope here, Steve, is really an analysis about the asymmetry, the disturbing asymmetry between how the left is waging war on this. You mentioned everybody I serve with, Steve, including you, has been a target of the left. At a minimum, they've spent millions of dollars in legal fees, whether it's Mike Flynn or America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani. They take the bar cards of Jeff Clark, John Eastman. And on the other end, Steve, you and I went to prison. And everybody who put us there, every single person, was a Democrat except Liz Cheney. And that's the exception that proves the rule. I mean, think about that. How can the Democrats seize power and use that to put us in prison and call us fascists? How dare they, Steve. So I went to prison so you won't have to. It's a story about how we must wake up to what's happening. But it's all lawfare story. But look, if you want to find out what it's like to go into prison for a misdemeanor and wind up spending four months with 200 felons, this is the book. And you know Bonnie, my fiance, it's also a story about how we were able to cope and deal with that. The message there is simply that she did the time with me. And that's what happens when people are unjustly targeted by the left. It's not just you. We can take it, Steve. You and I are soldiers. We can take it. But when they go after our families, that's where you draw the line. So it's a big book, a big story. And go ahead.
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If they steal the election in 2028, trust me, this audience, they're going to be coming for you. You see, now we're in a different place than we even back then. This is getting more and more intense every day. That's why Navarro's book has got to be written, because it's actually for you. And about you ain't about Navarro, not about me, not about President Trump. There are different characters in this story, but the book is about you. And understand, like I said, there's no compromise here. There's no unity here. One side's going to win and one side is going to lose. And if they steal in 28, they're coming for you. Peter, where do people go to get your writings? Where they go to get. Particularly your great piece on Charlie Kirk. Where do they go to get your book?
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Sure, the book. I went to prison so you won't have to. It's on Amazon. It came out two days ago. Please drive this thing up to best sellers so we get the message out. It's our best defense about them targeting us. I went to prison so you won't have to on Amazon. The piece about Charlie is very close to my heart. It's on the Washington Times op ed site today. I put it out on X at Real P. Navarro. It'll be up on my substack on Sunday as we celebrate Charlie on that sacred Sunday that we're about to have. And you can always go to my substack, peternavar.substack.com But Steve, I really appreciate what the war room does. I appreciate being able to come talk about I went to prison so you won't have to. And we got some c. SPAN is running a long hour long interview on Sunday at 8pm we're talking about on Sunday night. Yeah, we'll talk about.
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Peter's gonna be with us. Yeah, you're gonna be on Saturday and also you're gonna be on Sunday. We're doing wall to wall coverage live from the stadium. We'll give more details later. Peter Navarro. Thank you. Mike Lindell. It's been a long, tough morning for the war room. They need a deal. Sir, what do you got for us?
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