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This is an I heart podcast.
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Okay, thank you. Very impressive right there in the square. And like I said, they've got signs for Trump, the hostages are being released, the President's there with Netanyahu, he's going to meet hostages, he's going to address the Knesset and then he's got a whole second part to the day. Believe it or not, he then goes to Egypt for the peace conference or the redevelopment conference or the Middle east conference, whatever they're calling it. Ben Harnwell cursed armors, sir Keir showing up today, Macron, your favorite. His government's collapsing in France, but he's going to take time to go down to the Red Sea resort in, in Egypt to be part of it. You know, they've always had a big hand in the Levant. In fact, it was the French and the British that carved up the Middle East. As Joel Gilbert said, put these artificial nation created these artificial nation states that have kind of been part of the problem ever since. Your thoughts through your beady eyes there in Rome.
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Look, look, look, look, Steve, my beady eyes are glittering serpent like. As I'm watching the before, before, before I go into the beady eyed cynicism, I have to pay tribute to what Donald Trump has achieved with this. This is, this is something that he has forced through with the power of his will alone, effectively the power of his charisma, the power of his will. And the crowds that we're seeing now on the feed is a result directly of that. That is, Steve, that is what you call personal authority. He made this happen because he wanted this to happen. He wanted to see.
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And that is.
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What he focused on and that is what he has worked towards. And I have to give him absolute credit to that.
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C
Right.
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And just highlights the difference between when you have a real president and when you have an auto pen president. This is President Trump's day, right? I give him full, absolute, total tribute to that. He deserves it. He deserves to be applauded for this. That said, that there are things I want to dig into over the next three hours on this show to do with the costs that it has taken to get here, political costs and also costs to do moving forward to maintain in inverted commas the peace. Steve, you flagged up on Getter something extremely important earlier on today. And that is the fact is there seems to be a difference of opinion even today when the crowds are gathering as to what exactly is being said celebrated here. It's clearly the release of the hostages. But also the fact is this the end of the war. President Trump says definitively that it's over. Bibi himself is saying equally definitively that it's not. This is important for the United States because it would appear that President Trump, or let me say America, is now underwriting both sides of this war, both the Israeli side and of course now the Gaza side with these security guarantees. This is a touch paper that could easily explode moving forward. And there are obviously interests, you know, that the Haredim, the Orthodox Jews there. And I think the government could easily fall at some point. Important to remember, Steve, that only the first phase of the Trump plan has actually been agreed to in the Knesset. The substantial long term peace will hinge around the more substantial non hostage issues. And that I think is where the difficulties Israel is going to face moving forward. Look, you mentioned in your question, of course, the Europeans, our beloved Europeans, apart from Phony Meloni who's also in Egypt. Now the three countries, the three primary countries you've mentioned, Britain, Germany, France, all of them, as you indicated, all of them are suffering massive domestic turmoil right now. And I can't help but think that their eagerness to fly over to Cairo to be part of the peace negotiations is an attempt to distract from the failures of their own domestic, domestic agenda. And that is something and I hand back to you on this point, Steve. This is something that I hope the, the hierarchy that the political maga hierarchy in the United States is attentive to. I close with this point, right? I close to this point. 20 hostages being released is an incredible thing. But 200Americans are dying every day of fentanyl. And the political, the political camera needs to be focused directly on that. And another domestic issues, I think. Steve.
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Ben, stick right there. Ben Harnwell, our international editor in Rome. Joe Gilbert. Ben's kind of right. I mean there is an agreement to release these hostages. There's some sort of agreement about Hamas laying down his arms and Hamas maybe going back and being some interim security force for some short period of time while the IDF pulls back. And of course you've got the celebration there with the hostages, but there's a lot of this that's not really particularly defined. Now this afternoon at the Red Sea resort in Egypt, I think there may be a couple of documents that are going to be signed or at least agreed to. But this thing is still pretty, pretty soft around the edges, is it not?
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I agree it started out as Sunday night, Hamas had to take it or leave it. That was like a week ago. And then it turned into a hostage exchange deal with the other Points to be negotiated and worked out later. The Egyptians, Turks and Gulf Arabs jumped all over and said, okay, let's have our own little peace agreement and summit and we're going to fund and create a Palestinian state in Gaza. I think they're putting together a political united movement to demand a Palestinian state not only in Gaza, but in the west bank and Jerusalem to help influence the Israeli election next year that will say, hey, we're going to give you peace, we'll stop trying to kill you, just give us all this land and we'll have peace in the Middle East. And they'll try to see if the Israeli public will go for it, in which case Israel will be entering another peace agreement. And I think they'd be setting themselves up for more disappointment. Just like the peace treaty with Egypt because Egypt saw the agreement with Israel completely differently than Israel saw it. Israel got to Sinai and remained a hostile force. Egypt allowed the arming of Hamas. Imagine having a peace treaty with Egypt and they allowed Hamas to be armed and wage war on Israel. So I think some of the peace movement in Israel has been shattered and gotten the reality that the Islamic world does not accept Israel in any size or circumstance. But it remains to be seen because I think in Sharm El Sheikh there is a new coalition coming together that will be proposing a peace deal for a new Israeli government.
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Oh no, I agree that you got Qatar, the Saudis probably UAE prepared to put in I think tens of billions of dollars, maybe even hundreds of billions of dollars. The Turks are sitting there saying we'll take this security, we'll organize the Arabs and the Muslim nations on security and Gaza. Kurt Mills. I mean I think that's the deal that however you want to cut it, Gaza becomes at least the beginning of a proto Palestinian state. But two state solution, right? I mean it's obvious to me, it's pretty obvious what's going to happen, sir.
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Yeah, I mean look, the president is the driver on this. And the term in war is often that the enemy gets a vote, but the term in peace here should be that America gets a vote. And so I have to respectfully disagree with one of my co panelists. I think that the President clearly sees this as an end to the greater Middle east war. I don't think he wants to use all his political capital to fly over to Israel and fly over to Egypt today to sign a Gaza only deal only for new hostilities to break 11 Yemen. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I mean I'm going to get back. No, I agree with you. I think Jack Posoba, jump in here. I think when that, when Netanyahu addressed the nation last night, that video said the larger war is over. And Trump emphatically goes, the war is over. And I think he's meaning that, hey, America is not going to be there. Like I said, anything Israel wants to do on its own, go, go with it. I'm a nationalist. People in Israel should be Israel first. I've got no problem with that at all. They should do it. It's just that we can't, you know, be Israel first here in the United States. We got to put the United States first. I think Kurt's right. I think that the president looks at this, as in this afternoon as a he calls it a Middle east. He doesn't just call it a Gaza peace. Jack Bosobic.
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Yeah, I think I could agree with that, just in terms of the sense that if Israel were to do something after this, that the president would not be there. I mean, look, you've got just north of Israel, of course, all of the real questions about what's going on in Syria with this new leader there, the Ottomans pushing down from the north across Aleppo, Idlib, these real questions about southern Syria, who's really going to be the, you know, who's really going to be the guarantors? They are these local militias or are you going to have Damascus be able to exert any kind of control? And of course, China, look, China is trying to look in that China wants Syria to be a Chinese highway for them to be able to push their new Silk Road, for their, their products both into, into and across the Mediterranean and then for oil flows back into the People's Republic. So there's a lot of questions about what goes on in Syria. I wouldn't, I mean, look, it's the Middle East. I think we wouldn't be surprised if we do see some forms of regional conflict pop off. But at the same time, I do agree with Kurt that President Trump clearly is putting the squeeze on everyone to say put the guns down.
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Absolutely. Okay. We're going to take another commercial break while we can. President Trump is in the beast with Netanyahu. The order of battle here supposed to be, I think the president is trying to meet with some of the hostage families and the hostages before addressing the Knesset in a formal address to the nation of Israel. He then will go and go back to Air Force One, return to Ben Gurion Airport, go back to Air Force One, and then leave for Egypt to this peace conference that's going to take place this Afternoon at the Red Sea Resort. We're going to take a short commercial break here. Gold is almost at 4,100 bucks. Does that surprise you? The Chinese Communist Party, not that this is important, but I did say the Mideast is a sideshow and the Israel situation is a sideshow to a sideshow. Now more than ever, I think that's accurate. The Chinese Communist Party, full scale economic war against the United States of America. We'll get into all this and much more. Historic trip to Israel on a mission of peace. Donald John Trump, the commander in chief, the United States. Back in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Joe Gilbert, it's a 45 minute drive, by the way. This shows you how small a country geographically Israel is and really how tiny Gaza is. But from the Ben Gurion Airport, it's only a 45 minute drive to the Knesset in Jerusalem. The president en route now with the prime minister. What do you think that conversation inside the Beast is right now, sir?
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Well, I think, I think hopefully Bibi is giving Trump some perspective with something like this, is that the Arab and Muslim countries have been promoting for years and years that the only problem in the Middle east is the Palestinians don't have their own state. And they do that to avoid addressing the real problems that exist in the region. It's the divide between Shia Islam in Iran and the largest Sunni population. The Sunnis don't really consider the Shia Iranians to be real Muslims. There's a huge divide between rich elites and poor masses. The Gulf Arabs, the Saudis, the Qataris are hated by the masses of the people who are poor because they hoard the wealth. There is the Turks trying to reassert themselves. There are so many problems. Persecutions of Christian minorities. There are so many problems in the Middle east. And these countries have sought to avoid addressing them by saying the only problem is the Palestinians. So these issues are huge in the Middle east and they will exist whether or not the Palestinians put together a state in Gaza and elsewhere. And I think Bibi actually does a good job of trying to give history and perspective whenever he talks at the UN when he talks to Trump. And you know, the Qataris have been playing all sides. People don't understand who the Qataris really are. In Qatar, there's 300,000 Qataris and 3 million expatriates. It's a small group of this extended family that controls all the wealth. And they cut deals with everybody. They pay off Hamas, they pay off American universities. You know, they give the US A base so there's a lot of different actors.
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By the way, one of the reason, one of the reasons we have a problem with Mamdani in New York City. Qatar is all over the New York City public education system. Qatar, to me, I think, to me, I've always said one of the worst actors in the world. I think they financed the Muslim Brotherhood. They use their wealth and they've had a tremendous. By putting investments and putting and partnering with people, they are incredibly powerful. Given that they were almost toppled by the UAE and the Saudis a week after President Trump. After we left in 2017.
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Sir, that's correct. Look, the Saudis do everything because they're so insecure. Not the Saudis, the Qataris. The Saudis also. But Qataris are insecure. They're paranoid. And they think what they've done is they've overplayed their hand over the years by cutting deals with every single side of every conflict, paying everybody off because they're always in survival mode. So that's who they are. And you can't really trust them because they're always going to cut a deal with somebody else. So the very idea of even the Abraham Accords, the idea that the Israelis get an embassy in these, you know, Arab Gulf states that have these rich elites and poor masses, it doesn't have that much value. And I do believe the Abraham Accords are kind of overvalued. And the Israelis should be calling for free elections in Gulf states, in Egypt, in all these countries, that if they want peace with Israel, they should hold free elections. And I think you'd see a whole different story in the Middle east.
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If the Abraham Accords. Let's go there, because that is the basic, that's the predicate of this deal, which is more of a business relationship, commercial relationship, talking about capital markets and integration of logistics chains, the transportation, air flights from Tel Aviv to the, to the Gulf Emirates, particularly in Turkey. So if that's a shaky foundation, because I think with Jared in their concept and even Trump, is that the politics here and the politicians are just too embedded in ancient vendettas. And if you want to try to move past it, you've got to look at the cash flow coming from the old, the Gulf Emirates. And they're putting that in crypto. They're putting that in artificial intelligence. They're trying to transform their economies and doing that. Play to that and see if that can't somehow change the Middle East. I mean, this day, we're here today because of that and because of the Qataris. And the Saudis and UAE saying we will underwrite to the tune of tens of billions of dollars a massive redevelopment of Gaza. And President Trump says it's not going to happen overnight because first off, you got the things looks like the Western front in World War I, but you're going to build essentially a Tel Aviv equivalent with 2 million Palestinians. And that is to me, the proto two state solution that is pretty obvious is happening here, sir.
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Well, two points. One is that the vast majority of Muslims in the Islamic world hate the Gulf Arabs. They think that they're hoarding wealth and they're suppressing the masses. So these countries, you can try to cut deals with these royal families, but they are hated by the Islamists and by the vast majority of regular Muslim people. Any deal in Gaza is going to quickly, the demand is going to expand. We don't only want Gaza, we want half of Jerusalem, we want the West Bank. And they'll be hectoring and lecturing Israel. If you get rid of Netanyahu, we got this great peace deal. Peace is going to break out. And the Israelis hopefully have learned their lesson that every time they cut a deal with these Arab countries, it never works out like they thought it would. It turns into kind of a hostile peace and they make more demands. So I think developments are going to happen very quickly. Trump, I think, is going to try his best, but there is a large group of Muslim countries united with a plan. And I think that the details of that plan go far beyond Gaza.
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Oh, definitely. There's no doubt. He says it's a Middle east plan. When he's talking about the war ending, I mean, he's adamant it's the Middle East. This thing today is, I think it's called a Middle east conference. It's not called the Gaza conference. Right there you see the motorcade of the President, they're heading with the Prime Minister, they're heading to the Knesset. So, Kurt Mills, what would the President actually say in his address? Because as we've kind of detailed here, the President's idea is I'm laying out an architecture for peace in the Middle East. And the first step of this is return of hostages and Hamas laying down their arms and the IDF retreating and all these details of the Gaza part of it. But he's got a much broader agenda to kind of put this to bed, as he says, once and for all in 3,000 years. Right. And the people are putting up signs in, in Hostage Square in Tel Aviv, which is not Trump friendly country, calling Trump as Jack Posovic Says Cyrus the Great. Your thoughts? So what. What is President Trump in a few minutes when he addresses the Israeli people from the Knesset? What's he going to say?
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Yeah, I mean, I think he should, basically, and I am cautiously optimistic that he will give a sequel address to the one that he gave in the Gulf states in mid May when he explicitly denounced neoconservatism. He explicitly iterated that he was going to do a step change in US Foreign policy for a generation. And then, you know, this sort of Middle east theater went sideways in June when Israel attacked Iran. I think in October, there's an opportunity to turn the page on Hawk Summer and make it very clear that Trump is a friend of peace and also that he is a friend of the Israeli people. I think it was very revealing and it got a lot of attention over the weekend, that Trump's name in the Israeli streets was cheered and that Prime Minister Netanyahu's name was booed. Prime Minister Netanyahu is a wily operator. He is welcome to run for reelection again next year. But Trump's fate need not be Netanyahu's fate. And I think he can deliver a durable peace agreement here and one that hopefully slightly or further decouples the relationship between the US And Israel, or else that Trump's entire final term in office, or however long he is in the White House will be dominated by this theater. And he doesn't want that. The American people don't want that, and the broader MAGA movement does not want that.
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You said the neocon. I want to go back to that, what he said. President Trump was particularly critical of American foreign policy in the past, of trying to put your own culture onto cultures that foreign, like democracy in the, in the Middle East.
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Right.
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I mean, he's pretty adamant about that. I know Joel just talked about, hey, we ought to have direct elections, and it would overthrow all these corrupt rural families. You won't have any argument there from me about the corruption of the. Of the Gulf Emirates, but President Trump is pretty adamant, kind of a break with traditional American foreign policy, that this was not. He's not in the. He's not in the business of rolling out democracy through the Middle east and even said other things about, you know, people have their own cultures, and those cultures have to develop over time with their economics.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I think Trump has the reasonable opinion here, not just the Middle east, but in the broader world theater, which is that he works with whoever leads the organization or the country. I think you have seen direct negotiations from Trump's emissaries with even Hamas. It's not that Trump is a fan of Hamas. It's not that Trump is going to invite Hamas to the White House anytime soon. But he'll deal with them. He represents, he knows that they represent a perspective that they have an armada of Palestinians underneath them and that they need to be brought to the table, too. And you see, you see time and again a desire to just work pragmatically with who is there. I would contrast that. And again, you know, he has sort of changed throughout his political career. But Netanyahu was a very close ally of the George W. Bush White House. And what was the George W. Bush White House? Regime change, regime change, regime change. That is not Trump's instinct in the slightest.
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Yeah, hang on one second, Jack. I know you got a bounce as we come upon the four o', clock, 4:00am Eastern Daylight Time. Your thoughts sort of put this in perspective.
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E
Well, Steve, I think what, what the panel is saying here is, is right, that President Trump has come in and is repudiating both neoconservative and neoliberal camps here in terms of their schools of thought. He, he didn't notice. He didn't do this using the infrastructure of the UN he didn't use the, he didn't use the United States military to get involved in any of the operations in Hamas or in Gaza regarding them. Perhaps some intel sharing. But this was direct diplomacy and using economic strength. And this is key because what do we see going on in the area is China is making a huge play for the newly reconstructed Syria to the north. China is getting back to Aleppo and Palmyra, these classic historic cities that were hubs along the ancient Silk Road. China is building its new Silk Road across the new Syria. And so the United States is of course wanting to make sure they maintain relationships in the region as they look as those actors. Russia, China now coming in as well. So President Trump making a key point to understand that while the United States is putting its own interests first, it is not retreating from the rest of the world. And so it's shoring up those relationships in the Middle east and in fact, I would even say strengthening relationships with new partners because now you've got Qatar. That is intrinsically, they are dependent on the United States now for their diplomatic efforts and Israel as well, quite frankly.
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In their air base in Idaho. We'll get to that. Jack, you're going to be in human events. I hopefully will tap you for the traditional war room 10am Show. Where do people go? Your Twitter feed is the Associated Press of the MAGA movement. Where do people go, sir?
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Well, Steve will be up, you know, posing throughout the night. It is a historic day. It is history being made before our eyes. So go to Ack Posobeck on Twitter, Truth Getter and Telegram, and then of course, the podcast at Human Events. And Steve, I just gotta say, Charlie would love to see this.
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Oh, yeah, Charlie would have been on. We'd be doing three co hosts. Charlie Kirk, tomorrow afternoon on his 32nd birthday, will receive at 4pm in the afternoon at the White House the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the highest civilian award the United States can award. Jack Posobic, thank you. We'll see you later in the day. Short commercial break we're going to come back to Jerusalem in a moment.
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Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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B
By the way, today is a day, I think, as you stay with us for our coverage, you might want to also go to Birch Gold. Gold is on fire. I don't know. The Chinese Communist Party declared economic war against the United States on rare earths, which the industrial side of rare earths are what they call heavy. Rare earths drive the industrial production process in the United States and they've threatened to cut us off. President Trump has not. President Trump is not happy about that. And President Trump has said they're going to add 100% tariffs. Now, that may all be up in the air as they try to work things out. But gold has been on fire over the weekend, although the capital market is a little bit calmed down because President Trump says put out a nice message last night saying, hey, she had a bad day and we're going to figure this out. I did put up a getter post right after that, said, Mr. President, just remember they're at economic war with us and have been since 2019. And she is no friend, right? She doesn't have friends. But once again, it shows you President Trump is trying to be a global peacemaker, whether it's from Ukraine to the South China Sea to now the Middle east, the Gaza Strip and the broader Middle East. President Trump is, of course, a guy like that you would never award the Nobel Peace Prize to, although the woman who got it and she's very brave and courageous politician down in Venezuela, she wouldn't even exist if it was not for the space created for her by President Trump to even exist and not be in some camp somewhere already dead. So President Trump trying to, throughout the world, bring peace because his thoughts are, you can't have a prosperous America until we are totally prosperous America until you have peace. Right there you see the. That's the lead car in the motorcade. They're heading towards Jerusalem and to the Knesset. President Trump is about to address the Israeli people. And like you said, there's still a lot of open questions about exactly what this deal is. Before I go to Ben Harno in Rome during the break, you mentioned something, Joel, I think is very important for people to understand the assault on October 7, as shocking as it was to the world and to the Israeli people, it really hit kind of the progressive left. I mean, they had this, where Matt Farachi told us today there was kind of a ceremony where the Nova concert was, I consider that that day, to make sure people could understand what's going on. It was kind of like a burning man that we have here in the United States. Right. A lot of young people, music, obviously, drugs, you know, just kind of hanging loose. The kibbutzes are some of the more progressive. And these were all to the south, right. That they had had a lot of interaction with Palestinians before and quite frankly had, as you said, taking people to the hospital. So it was not just a wake up call. It was a traumatic shock when the Muslim Brotherhood attacked, was it not, sir?
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Yeah. Like imagine if you're a Democrat living in San Francisco and you support illegal immigration and then a guy from El Salvador comes in your house and murders the rest of your family members. You would have like a shock about your entire belief system. So this is kind of what happened in Israel. The far left loonies who lived in these kibbutzim along the Gaza border were just in love with the idea of a Palestinian state. They would bring them to work on their kibbutzim. They would pick up Palestinian children and take them to get free medical care in Israel and take them back. So this is a group of people that were actually attacked the most by Hamas. They came over and murdered them and kidnapped them. So the far left in Israel, their view that peace is going to break out as soon as you just give the Palestinians their own country. Their worldview was shattered on October 7, and the next is early election, I think is going to reflect that. I don't think these far left parties that are telling the public, if you just create a Palestinian state, everything's going to be great. But there will be a coalition, the one getting together in Sharm El Sheikh later today, going to put together this coalition of Egypt, the Gulf states, Turkey, and they're going to come with this idea that, you know, we'll give billions of dollars to Gaza. Just give us East Jerusalem, give us the west bank, and turn Israel into an indefensible state, and we'll give you peace. And that will be the big question in the next Israeli election. If the Israeli electorate will have learned their lesson that giving territory leads to war and not peace. And that's the lesson that the far left has learned in Israel.
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I tell you what, while we have time, we're going to take a break at the, at the top of the hour. It will be 4am Is that correct? Before a.m. in the United States. President Trump is hurtling now via motorcade with the prime minister. He's heading to the Knesset where he will address the Israeli people. I believe that there will actually be some hostages and some hostage families there beforehand. President Trump will get to meet him and to hear their stories and actually to, I think, embrace the moment. This moment would not have come. As Kurt Mills said and Ben Harnwell said so eloquently, this is 100% the act of what they call a juggernaut. President Trump, this is the force of personality, the force of will. He, as we try to do in football, he, he imposed his will onto various parties to make this happen. Of course, Bibi Netanyahu, not a fan of this deal. Tel Aviv Levin and the Israel first crowd, not a fan of this deal. But like we say here in the war room, they brought it, they brought it on themselves. And I think Gilbert's absolutely correct. You got some pretty dicey characters, actors, particularly Turkey, right? Turkey is going to provide the security. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are going to provide the money. President Trump's got his work cut out for him. Remember, President Trump is the president of the Board of Peace, and that is going to be quite a task, particularly with this cast of characters in their history. Throw into that you got Tony Blair. What thinks about the Qatar payroll for a couple of decades? Anyway, we're gonna get to all of this. We're take a short commercial break. Make sure you take your phone out. Text Bannon at 989-898. Get the Ultimate Guide for investing in Gold and Precious Metals in the Age of Trump. Today's a good day to check it out and talk to Philip Patrick and the team at Birchgold. Back in a moment.
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