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Kurt Mills
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Real America's Voice Announcer
In the dead of the night, when the world is sleeping, Real America's Voice is live this Monday, 2am Eastern. History takes flight. Donald J. Trump arrives in Israel leading a high stakes mission for peace and the long awaited release of hostages. After months of war and heartbreak, a breakthrough, a ceasefire, hostage releases and the first steps towards a lasting Jerusalem accord. Steve Bannon leads Real America's Voice live coverage, joined by powerful voices from Jerusalem as the world watches this historic moment unfold. From conflict to compromise, from division to deliverance. This is leadership on the world stage. This is history in motion. This is Real America's Voice. RAV presents Trump's triumphant mission to Israel. Live coverage begins this Monday at 2am Eastern, only on Real America's Voice.
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Steve Bannon
This is the primal scream of a dying regime. Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people. There's no I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it. I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen.
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Kurt Mills
And where do people like that go.
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Steve Bannon
To share the big lie?
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Dave Brat
MAGA media I wish in my soul.
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Steve Bannon
I wish that any of these people had a conscience. Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
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Dave Brat
War Room, here's your host, Stephen K. Banner.
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Steve Bannon
It's Monday the 13th of October in the year of our Lord 2025. It is Columbus Day here in the United States of America and it's a day of peace in the Middle east and particularly in Israel and in Gaza today. President Commander in Chief is there, by the way, the eagle eye of the war room posse informs me and I think I saw him too. Little Marco is there. Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, he was in that fiasco that was in the Knesset, which was totally unacceptable and unsat and someone in secret service or President Trump's security has got to be, you know, hey, I realize you're going over there spur the moment, but you, you have to be in charge. That thing was embarrassing and we're going to cut that footage. On the 10 o' clock show today. I'm going to go through it again because I thought it was very dangerous. And people, particularly the War On Posse, are concerned about President Trump's security. They already had two assassination attempts and President Trump is basically all we got between ourselves and the abyss. So it has to be extra careful. Kurt Mills. I think we're right. There is a hang up and because we're running a little late and part of that now it's being reported by Israeli media that there's a little negotiation going on. I think the background that actual Netanyahu will be going to Egypt for the meeting this afternoon, it's not confirmed yet.
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Kurt Mills
Based on my assessment of the available sources. He is speaking to Egyptian President Sisi right now, he being Prime Minister Netanyahu. I don't really understand why it would leak that his attendance is contingent. He's already not confirmed and now that the call is happening, it's still unclear if he's going to attend. So it would be sort of bizarre if at the end of this that he didn't attend. But it appears to be on offer that he may in fact go. Of course, Egypt is not one of the countries that Netanyahu is generally speaking, the most comfortable going to. He has a rapprochement basically with uae, Saudi. But, you know, Egypt is of course home to Cairo, the largest city in the Arab world, where, you know, the Arab street's not that fond of the Israeli state. And so there may be security concerns to get Netanyahu in this minute.
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Dave Brat
We're.
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Kurt Mills
But again, it does just.
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Steve Bannon
We have to go. You are, you are going to the, you are going to the resort. So it's. By the way, the. Egypt is the home of the, the birthplace of the Muslim Brotherhood.
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Joel Gilbert
Right.
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Steve Bannon
And filled with Muslim Brotherhood everywhere in Qatar may be their new financier and their new sponsor. Go ahead, sir.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah. It costs political capital though, internally to host Netanyahu. Right. I mean, and this is, this is.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah.
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Kurt Mills
Over in.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah.
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Joel Gilbert
But, yeah.
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Steve Bannon
Can you, can you, but can you have an overall, President Trump says this is a peace, this is a peace conference. You got Macron showing up because he's got to stick his mouth in something. Right. Obviously his country's about to implode. The Fifth Republic is about to get swept out to sea, but he's got time to go here. You got Sir, Keir Starmer, you got Maloney, you got. I think the Germans may show up. You got every deadbeat in Europe that wants to attend. Wouldn't it be odd to try to have this without. Because I think it said earlier the Palestinian Authority was going to attend. Wouldn't it be odd to invite the Persians and not have the Israelis who, whether you like them or not, have got to be a central part of this. Sir.
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Kurt Mills
Presumably the Israelis have Been invited. I mean, I don't know what they would be discussing right now if there wasn't an open invitation. So if Washington and the Arab world didn't invite them, that would be news to me. I think what is going on here is something we spoke earlier in the programming this morning is Netanyahu's lack of commitment to ending the war. He may argue that Gaza is done for the moment. The last ceasefire held less than 60 days. He may argue that Gaza is done for the moment, but this is license to expand into Yemen, Lebanon and Iran. And so accordingly giving his, the, the blessing of his presence in Egypt could be seen as a signal that he is on board with the peace deal, which is of course not fully the case, which is why you see this sort of difficult tango. Yeah. Additionally, I think you see and I was just going to say the sort of ramshackle nature of the organization here. The like pick a lane attend or not. Right. I mean obviously a lot of life is contingent, but it is fairly extraordinary that Netanyahu is apparently negotiating with the Egyptian president right now. While we await the President of the United States address to the Knesset. You know, this is just not the most ideal ally. I know it's in a tough neighborhood. I know it's an it's at war. But it'd be hard to imagine this in Germany or Britain or France or Japan.
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Steve Bannon
Well, yeah, I think this is like you said, we're building the plane as we fly the plane. Shava Balkanai, what do the Israelis want to hear today and what do you think they must hear from the President of the United States in this address to the nation from the Knesset?
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Sheva Balkanai
Inherited a really disastrous situation from the last administration and he did an amazing job in getting the hostages back and moving forward. I am looking forward to a day that America becomes a nation again that does not negotiate with terrorists. And Hamas is a terrorist organization that will never change its stripes. It's an ideology that is heavy in extreme Islam, which does not align with Western civilization, American ideals. And in that way, America will always stand with Israel and their concerns over a permanent ceasefire are heard. You know, the coming days will show us what is going to unfold. But Hamas cannot be trusted. They are terrorists and they are dangerous for the world at large.
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Steve Bannon
Sheva, where can people get you on social media? We'll try to have you back here before, before the President punches out of Israel and go heads to Egypt. What in the interim, what is your social media? Where can people follow you?
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Sheva Balkanai
I just have a personal page which Is my name Sha Balcony. But my non for profit to help widows and families affected by the war is with heart and honor.org that's with heart and honor.org is on thank with heart.
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Steve Bannon
Honor and what, what, what do you, what's the, yeah, what's the purpose? What do you guys do?
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Sheva Balkanai
At Heart and Honor, we help families, especially widows and moms who lost sons, with moral support and whatever they may need.
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Steve Bannon
Sheva, thank you for joining us. Look forward to having you back on maybe in the 10 o' clock hour.
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Real America's Voice Announcer
Of the war room.
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Steve Gruber
Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you girl. Ben Harnwell to Kurt Mills. I'd look we are making this up as we go along. The president is, is great on calling audibles. He's a guy that brings people together. But I do think even this afternoon, this, this has a slightly shambolic feel to. It does not. And my, my concern, my primary concern is security for the President. United States. I am really upset. Why I saw in the Knesset and I realized Matt Fracci said, hey, look, the thing runs a little loose, right? You know, they're normally having shouting matches with each other that it's not the decorum, if you can call decorum, what we see in the House of Representatives. But does that give you concern? That particularly. It's pretty uncertain right now. And I keep arguing, I said, hey, look, it's obvious to me that this is the beginning of a two state solution, something Netanyahu swore just two weeks ago. In fact, I have the Wall Street Journal right here from two weeks ago when he addressed the UN and two thirds of the UN got up and walked out of his speech to show this disdain for him. And he, you know, Netanyahu doesn't care. He gives as good as he gets. He's kind of, you know, telling them when you leave, hey, you can do anything you want, you can assault me, you can do anything. But there's never going to be a Palestinian state. This afternoon in Egypt, you're going to have the beginning of what is a two state solution. You're going to have the beginning of a Palestinian state. Two million Palestinians are going to remain there. They're going to completely redevelop it. Tens of billions, if not hundreds of billions of dollars are going to come in from the Gulf Emirates. Supposedly this is the deal. And the Turks are somehow going to put together some security force. By the way, there's the President. I think we're about to go. Ben. The shambolic nature of this, given that they're trying to negotiate Netanyahu Going this afternoon.
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Ben Harnwell
Well, I don't want to overplay this, but the potential, you know, given all the various dynamics in the world at the moment, it's a bit like the Archduke Franz Ferdinand right now and President Trump has that weight on his shoulders. There are so many dynamics in the world that literally depend on him.
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Joel Gilbert
And.
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Ben Harnwell
His, he's being president right now and there are a lot of evil forces in the world as well. So yeah, it's, it's shambolic. Is the, is the, is the shambles, is it a feature or is it a bug at the moment? Strange, because normally Mossad have, have the, the, the, the reputation of drilling these things, security things in Israel, in the Knesset, like, like, like no other intelligence security operators on the face of the planet. So to see these things does raise a question mark, a legitimate question. Steve, look, if you give me one minute, I just want to quickly respond something because it is important. What you were saying earlier on the show, I think it was with Kurt, about the prior warning that Israel may have had about the 7 October attacks. No less an authority than the New York Times. Okay, so the New York Times, not the War Room, not Gateway or anything like that. This is not the National Post. The New York Times ran an in depth article about a year and a half ago. Yeah, a year and a half ago. Basically suggesting that the, that Netanyahu had been briefed beforehand that something like October 7th was brewing. They had a 40 page document called from memory, Operation Jericho War. Right. That they did. They've got from Hamas, which had plans of a hang glider paraglider attack and Netanyahu did nothing. Now there are, there's, we can go into that later on the show in the time that remains to us. But the, the subtext to the New York Times article was that allowing this to take place, the massacre, the outrage to take place was convenient for Netanyahu, whose ratings before October 7th were in the tank and afterwards just catapulted into stratospheric levels. So that's the situation. And I say that's not Ben Harnwell saying that. That was the New York Times a year and a half ago.
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Steve Bannon
We have Dave Brat. I want to bring Dave Bratt in here before the President goes to the podium and addresses Dave Brat. Your thoughts so far? You're joining us here in the five o' clock hour. We've been rolling since what, two? And I think the footage has been amazing. What we've seen from the Israeli people, this outpouring for the hostages, although I think we have a consensus that for as much as the outpouring is, there's a lot of. There's a lot of hard truths that are coming out today, and particularly in Egypt at this conference. Your thoughts are as you join us?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, I think that's right. I think Ben Harnwell hit it on the head as well when he said, you know, this day, this piece, which is. Which is hugely significant, is reliant on one man. And so that's always problematic. But I do have a counter take, and that is, you know, the New York Times, the headline right now isn't that pleasant. You know, why couldn't it have been sooner? The Washington Post. No. Rave reviews. But the one good thing about today is the transparency. Even if it's gonna be brutal, right. I think the American people are gonna learn, right? And both sides are gonna see both sides, the warts and all. And that ugliness may actually propel a hard piece forward. You know, Hamas is not giving all the statements the world wants to hear right now about moving forward with goodwill. Even Israel is going to be reluctant to say the war is over for good. But I think when people see what's been going on over the past couple of years and really dig in a little bit more than they have, this day will show the world, both sides. And so thank God for Donald Trump. It is a great day. The hostages are coming home. There is a moment of peace here. We're all keeping our fingers crossed and praying for this peace, because as the other analysts have been saying all morning, this thing is connected to a web, to a tinderbox of other world events. But getting this and the other seven countries related to this, right? That's the. You know, the US Interests and Israel's interests haven't always been perfectly aligned on this.
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Joel Gilbert
Right?
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Dave Brat
The. The US Wants peace with all seven. Economic development. We got other things to do. We got to move on. And the Ukraine thing and then move on to China. And so if this can hold, it's a great day.
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Steve Bannon
I want to go transparency. Just. I want to. For the audience. We're going to turn over the coverage at 6, which is about 45 minutes, to Steve Gruber, and Steve Gruber is then going to lead into the. Into the morning show. We're going to be back at 10am for the. For a war room, and we plan on being covering at least the beginning of the Egyptian part of this. And then President Trump is actually going to fly back tonight. He's not going to stay overnight in Egypt. So this is a One day trip that's Herculean, essentially four hours in Israel. And I think there was going to be two or three hours in Egypt at the conference. I'm sure that's going to extend, particularly since this is taking longer. So if President Trump takes the podium and his speech goes, and as President Trump has been known to do when he gets wound up, he'll normally go longer than 40, 45 minutes. If that happens, I will come on and tell you when we're turning over to Steve Gruber, and Steve Gruber will bring it back. And I want to thank Real America's Voice. The coverage today has been fantastic. Once again, just the logistics of this extraordinary. I want to thank the Denver team, Palm beach, all of it, for jumping in here. Brett, go back. What do you mean transparency of it? I mean, we've been covering this since the President left yesterday afternoon. We've had great analysts on, you know, Joel Gilbert's joined us, the great Kurt Mills. We've had poso, and we've been breaking this down. And what you see is kind of in front of you. And you actually saw, I think today, you know, the president, you know, had Witkoff there and Jarrett there and Ivanka there. Marco was on the plane with him, obviously. And. But there seemed to be a kind of a frostiness between Netanyahu and the president. I don't want to overplay that too much, but it seemed like it definitely was something. What do you mean by transparent and what is it that's transparent? And why is that a good thing right now?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, well, the war room's been covering this, but, you know, we're all the politico Die Hards, you know, every day we follow all of it, but the American people now and the major papers, you know, the Financial Times, New York Times, Washington Post, they're all gonna be begrudgingly have to cover this great day where President Trump is not a fascist and not a Nazi and not a, you know, evildoer and whatever. He's bringing peace to the Middle east, which, which has eluded everybody for 50 years. And so there's gonna be a lot of press coverage on this today, but the details are gonna come out, right? How many soldiers have died in this process? What has happened to the people on the ground in Palestine, the rubble footage? A lot of this, you know, has not been fully covered, to say, to put it politely. And so as that comes out, the wounds are going to get deeper, right on both sides. There's going to be gory details which no one wants to hear about on a day of peace and going forward. But the goriness of that news and of the coverage, I think on all sides is going to lead. Maybe this is just. It's my prayer that it moves this way. Right. All the forces are in place for this to cave, in my view. Right. But the hopeful piece is that now everyone is going to see the gory details on both sides and say, we cannot have this anymore. And I think that'll give President Trump a little bit more leverage with the public will. Right. You just look at the news, you hear from the pro war folks versus look at the people on the street in Israel. They clearly want peace. Even that, that's kind of a breaking news piece psychologically, maybe for a lot of Americans to see that and for the rest of the world to see that. And so on the Hamas side, we'll see. They're going to interview people and you've been seeing just the innocents interviewed running back to their homes and hoping there's something left. You know, woman, you know, yesterday on the news clips, wanting to see if there's a blanket or a pillow or anything left because the winter's coming, you know, and so those stories as they come out, that's going to be full transparency, hopefully, you know, for 48 hours at least. And I think that's going to put a whole new level of introspection on both sides to say not go back to war, but, you know, a one false flag operation by either side. And that's what I'm worried about. Right. Some bomb goes up by accident, somebody gets bombed, somebody, you know, some incident is planted. And I'm very, like you said, I'm very worried about President Trump's safety today. You cannot have any mishaps. And his folks need to clear him out of there if there's anything that's not been completely vetted ahead of time. And so those are my initial thoughts as we start this great day.
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Steve Bannon
People are starting to come in, so we're going to go momentarily. I want to get Gilbert in here. By the way, what happened in the basement of Knesset today when he first got there was not acceptable in any level. If we don't without Trump, you're overlooking the abyss right now. Without Trump, we got nothing. Okay? That's how this is why I continue to say he's like General Washington, President Lincoln and Trump. And for all his flaws, okay? Add up all the flaws and he's still what we have between ourselves and in the abyss. Joe Gilbert. Brett brings up a Brilliant point. You're going to have all the stories of the 20 hostages, the folks that were kept to the end. You're going to have all the brutality of that. Plus the media is now going to get into Gaza, which has been blocked, and you're going to see something that looks like Dresden in World War II. In addition, you're going to have some details leak out this afternoon, maybe even something signed in Egypt that I'm not quite sure. The Israeli people in the euphoria about the Hashis coming back have quite processed. What's really going down here is that transparency going to throw this whole thing off the rails.
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Joel Gilbert
Sir, I think there's too many moving parts. You've got these terrorists being released in Gaza, west bank, all over the world. People are going to be concerned about what they're doing. There's going to be this economic initiative coming out of Egypt that Trump's going to be a part of. There's going to be, you know, bulldozers all over Gaza clearing rubble. There's going to be so much going on. I don't think it's going to get distracted with what's happened in the past. I wanted to mention this very interesting story. When the. When Hamas kidnapped people and put them in these golf carts and were driving them into Gaza from the Israeli kibbutzim, there was one girl, they showed the video about a teenage girl, and she said to her captors, she said, where are we going? And he said, we're going to Gaza. And she said, oh, I have friends in Palestine. And that just shows you the gap in understanding that these Israeli kibbutzim thought they were befriending the Gazans. All this time. They had made friends, they took them to hospitals, they, they hosted them, and they thought they were creating a friendship. But from the Islamic and Gazan point of view, they really hated the Israelis all along, and they view them as inferior, not people that you can have equal relations with or recognize their state. So that gap remains that the Muslim, Palestinian, Arabs don't hate Israel, they don't want an Israeli state, they don't want peace with it. And somehow all this money is supposed to go into Gaza and solve that problem. It's never really solved that problem. And I think we got much more trouble ahead than thinking that things will come out from what happened in the past. So I think we're going to turn our eyes to the Knesset speech and then to what's going to happen in Egypt.
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Steve Bannon
Kurt, get us up to speed.
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Dave Brat
What?
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Steve Bannon
There's clearly something going on behind the scenes right now. We know at least part of it has to do with the the meeting in Egypt. Is Netanyahu going, not going? What's the latest? We know.
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Kurt Mills
Still no confirmation to my knowledge about Netanyahu's attendance in Egypt. Obviously something has occurred that required cece and Netanyahu to get on the flight phone with each other right before the President's speech the Knesset. So there could be some subterfuge or negotiations occurring that we're not currently aware of. All Hamas has released all 20 of these remaining Israeli living hos, living Israeli hostages. So we would now move to phase two of the deal, the disarmament, etc. So it's not clear why the logistics of this have to be so painstakingly negotiated minute by minute. I mean I know this is human affairs, but something seems to be, definitely seems possible to be up. If I had to bet it's probably a Netanyahu attendance in Egypt. But for some reason that is seen as deeply controversial either to the Palestinian side or the Arab side writ large.
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Steve Bannon
What about Dave Brat's point about transparency? Today you're going to have all the stories of the hostages and I'm sure the last 20 are going to be, some stories are going to be quite brutal about their treatment. Also you're going to have the media now in for the first time I think over the next couple of days to see the devastation in Gaza up close and personal, which they have been, they have been restricted. And you're going to have some elements of this deal which I continue to say is it's definitely the proto to two state solution, right. With Qatar and the Saudis big financial sponsors and the Turks as a big security sponsor as that gets absorbed to the, to the Israeli people, where do you think we're going to? Or to the world? What's going to happen, you think in the next couple of days is the world is really going to have to confront the brutality of the war, but also the brutality of what happened to these individuals.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah, I think it's going to be a media cyclone. So it's going to be hard to say which way it breaks the Israeli PR machine and it is a machine, is going to kick into high gear. The reality though is that the testimonials of the hostages and the hostages families themselves are a real mixed bag for the Israeli Prime Minister, to put it mildly. The hostages families, I'd say broadly speaking, have been protesting and lobbying the government to end this war sooner. And the hostages themselves may be in no condition to give media testimonials, understandably. And if they do, they may bemoan the degree to which they were held in captivity. Why didn't their own government negotiate for the release sooner? And of course, it's because the hostages release was just one of a number of objectives pursued by Netanyahu, not the sole objective. As for the Palestinian side, look, there's already been reports of 200 bodies uncovered in the rubble. Obviously that's just a fraction of the number that is, that is due to be recovered and due to be, you know, sadly put into the tally of this war. And, you know, people I trust in the region have long said, look, reporters and documentarians basically can't get into Gaza. And as this is uncovered and as, and it's already been horrifically covered, I mean, the stuff that has been smuggled out, but as this is uncovered, this could very well be the largest crime scene in the world. It's going to be ghastly.
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Steve Bannon
By the way you talk about the Israeli machine, the, the Islamist in the Muslim Brotherhood got a pretty good machine too. I mean, TikTok was a, turned into a propaganda machine of showing this stuff. So, you know, they give as good as they get. We're going to take a short commercial break. We will pull out of the commercial break immediately. If the president comes into Knesset, I think there, besides maybe meeting with some of the families, there's definitely, I believe, some wheeling and dealing with going on. And back as I said this, Kurt, I think said it well, we're building the plane as we're flying the plane. President Trump has a house style. One of his house styles is deal momentum. You keep driving the deal and you keep driving to the, to the conclusion of the close. You know, certain things will fall off, they're not important. Other things are important. You'll get to focus on and get them done. That's just the way he is, as is a deal guy. Very unique style. It is a day, a historic day in, in Israel. Historic day in the Middle East. We're going to return in a moment as the President of the United States addresses the nation of Israel.
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Dave Brat
Here's your host, Stephen K. Ban.
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Steve Bannon
Okay, welcome back. Joe Gilbert. You got, you've got some reporting to do here about President Trump is actually, it is official, he is meeting with a large group of families. Why don't you tell us about it?
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Joel Gilbert
Yeah. On social media, there's a number of photos. Trump is sitting with Netanyahu with a large group of hostage families. It appears the hostage families are Passing the microphone around. And Trump is very gracious. He does a lot of listening, and it appears he's just listening. So I think that's the reason for the delay in the Knesset. He's trying to be respectful to these hostage families. It does appear in the photos there might even be one, one hostage that just got out. So this delay could last for a while because Trump is very gracious when it comes to meeting with people, especially those who have suffered. So this could go on for some time.
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Steve Bannon
Yeah, no, President Trump, very empathetic. Kurt Mills, I think, nailed it. It doesn't get played up enough, but knowing the guy, he's got a huge heart. Joel, are we not seeing that in media? We're not seeing that live because are they concerned that some of the hostage families may say something to Netanyahu or may even say something to the president that would not be in keeping with this day as a celebratory. Because we know there is a lot of anger. Right. These individuals released today, the last of them, have been there for over two years. The treatment, we know, has been absolutely brutal. What is your thoughts on why this is not being shown? Because to me, this would actually be, to an American audience, this is, quite frankly, much bigger than the address to the Knesset. This is kind of what people have been waiting for and looking for. Is Trump the peacemaker, sir?
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Joel Gilbert
Well, I'm looking at these photos. There are no cameras. You know, Ivanka's there, Jared's there. Witkoff, everybody's there. But it's about 100 people crowded around, seated, and they've got microphones in the crowd. So it looks like almost like some kind of therapeutic event where hostages get to talk to the president and tell them what they've been through. And he's just seems like. Looks like a very good listener, I would assume. Some of the comments and things are very private. And they, they absolutely don't have any cameras in there. There are still cameras, but no television cameras. Maybe we'll get a report about it later. But that's the reason for the delay, because Trump was supposed to be speaking to the Knesset already.
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Steve Bannon
Dave Brat, for an American audience, I mean, that's kind of what people are. Have come for. Is Trump the peacemaker? Trump did something nobody else could do. Trump has changed the arc of history in the Middle East. Obviously, you know, we're of the belief the hostages are one thing, but there's a much. The geopolitical forces over there make this even more important. And what happens in Egypt today, maybe as important as the hostages being released. But there's no television cameras there. It's all print media or traditional photography. Does that strike you as odd?
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Dave Brat
Yeah, I don't know what technology they want going beyond the security and whatever. But, you know, President Trump, you know what, what was just said is important in a few ways. You know, he's got a big heart. He wants to meet those people. And on the, you know, in addition to that, he is a genius of, of the human spirit. He wants to look in those eyes and, and see really what this means. You know, I think he, he's very highly intelligent, especially reading a room and reading people. There's no one like him. So when he's in there with the people, I think, you know, number one, he's, he loves it. You know, he's always with the, the waiters and the waitresses behind the scenes at restaurants and the folks who work the golf courses and whatever. And I think he's doing the same thing here and he's learning about people. And so I, I'll, it'll be fascinating see him come out of there with new eyes, I think too. And you know, all this is going to bowl him over. And then what you're saying about the cameras and the newsprint, I think everyone's going to be very overly cautious there because, you know, we simplify this thing in the mainstream media and you know, you got the warmongers here, the peaceniks here in Israel, you got many subgroups that want different outcomes. And so it's not monolithic. It's not, the US wants this and Israel wants this or whatever. There's subgroups all over and it's a very, very delicate balance, as we all know today. But the huge forces are in play for peace here from Hamas is the one who, their own logic doesn't really want this peace. So that's the one piece, you know, they, they have to have an offer and I want to see what that ends up looking like. Right. There's got to be some compelling interest. They've been getting money out of this deal. It's part of their reason for existence. And so I'm waiting to hear what all is involved there. Israel, I think the people want a piece. The polling has been pretty clear on that all across the map in the US we want peace on the polling, but then the political leaders, and as I said, you know, all it takes is one of these little teeny terrorist cells to plan a false flag operation say, look what they just did, and boom, we're back at it and hopefully calmer heads, more rational heads. And Trump, I think, is just sick of it, right? He wants to be done. I think that's the dominant motif of the day, is Trump is just sick of it. And he put his foot down and said, we're having peace and I don't care who you are, I don't care if you're Hamas. And that's probably what Hamas felt as well, right? Israel said, okay, Yep. All right. And this day is due to President Donald Trump. He gets the, the highest peace prize from, from God above and Jesus, who said, blessed are the peacemakers, right? They, he's the peacemaker today and we all need to be with him in prayer and in support, writing letters in your papers and celebrating what Trump is trying to do around the world. He wanted, he wanted peace in Ukraine. That thing is so complex with Russia, China linkages now and whatever. It's tougher than people thought. But he's working that one too, so he can bring all his energy home here and make this country even greater than what it is today.
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Steve Bannon
Was it blessed are the peacemakers? They are the sons of God. I think they've changed children.
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Dave Brat
Yeah, they'll be called the sons of God. Right?
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Steve Bannon
Kurt Mills, I want everybody in this audience to understand something. When you, when you take a red eye either from LA to New York and you got to work, or take it from New York to London, let's say, just draining, changing time zones, sleeping on the plane, you get there every now and again, I would go right to a meeting or breakfast meeting, but mostly you want to go to the hotel, maybe get a couple hours of sleep, take a shower, get a late breakfast and then go hit it at noon or 1 o'. Clock. The President of the United States, after working, you know, every consecutive day, leaves yesterday, takes a long flight, holds a press gaggle, a 20 minute press gaggle. We were able to show like five or six minutes of it. Gets off the plane immediately, gets in with Netanyahu, spends 45 minutes talking to Netanyahu on the way up. He's about to give a major address. But he spends, he spent over an hour now behind the scenes with family, listening to them just. And he's still got to go to Egypt and give an address there and talk about the overall peace deal. Every, all of this on the world stage. Just the energy you talked about, the empathy, just the energy sitting there and listening to the 100 hostage families or to the 100 people associated with the hostages would be so draining in and of Itself, that'd be an entire day. You wouldn't have anything left over. Talk to me about. This is why this guy's so unique. This is why I'm so upset about the shoddy, obviously shoddy security for the president when he was down there at the basement of the Knesset or the first floor of the Knesset. Because he's all we got, right? You can say he's all we got. He stands between us and the abyss. For all his imperfections. He's what's between us and the abyss. Talk to me about not just the empathy. Would you correctly spot it? And that's why he spent an hour listening, as Joel Gilbert says, listening to the hostages families, but also the energy of the man.
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Joel Gilbert
Sir.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah, it's crazy. I saw the, the schedule, the itinerary for this trip over the weekend, and I did think it was extremely odd that he was leaving in late afternoon Eastern time and that he was going to arrive basically nearly at dawn in the Middle east and just go straight and do it. And you know better than me, but, you know, Air Force One is fairly comfortable, but it's not a hotel. It is an airplane, ultimately. And for him to just go out from the tarmac to this, to another country, meet with people as diverse as heads of state to, you know, I mean, with no disrespect, the most decrepit humans on earth, the people that have been held in these conditions by Hamas is, is just extraordinary. And you do talk about the singular nature of this president. And I think it's conceded by many. And it's, it's what was discussed. It's conceded by a lot of his critics as well. I was looking, you know, during the break, there's this piece out by this small UK outlet called the New World. It's a magazine, and this is a sort of left wing magazine. And this guy says, a bowling autocrat, his terms has succeeded where years of calm diplomacy failed. Progressives must ask why? And the reality is I've seen a lot of people complaining that why didn't Biden force Netanyahu into this kind of deal? And when I say force, the US Gets a vote. The US Is a military supporter of Israel. The US Runs endless cover for Israel diplomatically, most famously at the UN but also throughout Europe and the broader world. And Biden just let this go on and on and on. And Trump, you know, maybe it could have happened sooner, maybe we could have avoided Hawk Summer and the Iran shenanigans. But we have seen the basic approach of this administration from not just day one, day minus four or five, when Wyckoff did this deal before Trump was even inaugurated, when Trump opened negotiations with the Iranians, when Trump negotiated with Hamas, when Trump went to the Middle east and denounced neoconservatism. And now at the 11th hour, as I said yesterday, when it looked like it was totally dark, when there was no chance for this, we have a miracle, or what appears to be a miracle deal to end this war. And it's certainly, certainly a miracle for the 20 hostages returned to their families. And you know, the terrible ordeal that those folks have been through. Needless to say.
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Steve Bannon
Joe, we're coming down to like the last 10 minutes. And there's Marco right there, by the way. The uniformed services are also some of the people that will implement this. You saw the particularly the Navy admiral who's in charge of centcom. There's Marco. They're starting to come in now. So the president will be, I'm sure, momentarily. Joel, give me a minute or two. Summary of your thinking as we get ready for the president to take the stage, the podium in the Knesset.
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Joel Gilbert
I'm thinking this is the culmination of some great efforts by our president to get this deal done. The Israeli people wanted the hostages out. He got the hostages out. I see nothing but dangers ahead because I think there are forces that are seeking to make sure Israel emerges from this episode with a political defeat. I believe all the Gulf states, Turkey, Egypt, Macron, prime minister of Canada and England, they're all going to Shamal Sheikh to try to assure they stack the deck to make sure Israel is politically defeated and set the stage for the creation of a Palestinian state in Gaza, to be followed by demands for Israel to withdraw from the west bank and Jerusalem and set up an Israeli election choice next year, where the Israeli electorate has to decide between peace with all these countries and doesn't quite understand that their definition of peace is very different from Israel's definition of peace. And I see nothing but danger ahead in how this thing is going to play out politically for Israel.
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Steve Bannon
I agree with you 1000%. And as I say, I believe that this was brought on by the Israel first crowd, Tel Aviv, Levin in this crowd here in the United States that led Netanyahu to believe that he had ultimate power to just do what he was going to do. And he finally hit President Trump's tripwire. Came close to hitting the tripwire. He definitely hit the tripwire when he tried to kill the second negotiating team with Hamas in Qatar. It was the attack on Qatar and not Giving President Trump a heads up. Knowing President Trump, you got to go pretty far in the woods to hit his tripwire. That tripwire was hit, right? Was hit then and everything's changed. And I agree with you about this is a two state solution and I think it's going to start dawning on people in Israel pretty quickly that it is. Joel Gilbert, your social media, where do people get your films, particularly your films on Israel, where did they get them?
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Joel Gilbert
Yeah, if you go to my farewell israel.com which I produced this film when Israel agreed to give away Gaza atomic Jihad about Iran, highway61ent.com is my film website and on Twitter I'm Joel S. Gilbert. Joel S. Gilbert. And you can link up to all my films there on Barack Obama politics, BOB Dylan, Paul McCartney and so many, so many great new films including Roseanne Barr. That's my new movie just coming out. Roseanneismerica.com and it's on all the live streaming Networks right now. Roseanneismerica.com.
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Steve Bannon
Amazing film, amazing person. She's quite unique. We were very honored to have you guys in the war room. There's Ivanka right there. Joel, thank you so much. Appreciate you being here with us for the duration and for yesterday. Joel Gilbert knows the region, knows the players. By the way, we had right there, Ratcliffe, you got Hexith, you got little Marco, you've got the Ambassador Huckabee who I think ought to be recalled immediately in disgrace. His performance has been nothing short of disgraceful. Also the director of the CIA, I believe the director of the CIA needs to come to the House and to the Senate, explain the American people why he told the president that yes, it was two weeks away from a bomb when we now know from the times of Israel that Times of Israel that it was two years like we said here in the worm. Okay, the president I think is coming. We're going to cut right to Steve Gruber is going to pick up from here. Kurt Mills. We don't have it. Okay. Somebody's getting applied. I think they're probably thinking Kurt Mills, give me a two minute wrap up while they start to applaud the Mossad control director of the CIA. Ratcliffe.
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Kurt Mills
Yeah, I think I also saw Miriam Adelson in the crowd as well. So again, a lot of different agendas here, not all per se, rooting for President Trump's peace where at least to be done with war in this region for the remainder of his term. Still, an extraordinary show of hands, an extraordinary column of American support for this Deal. Rubio, Hagseth Huckabee, Ratcliffe, Stephen Miller. I saw, you know, this is, this is quite a showing here and it speaks to, you know, I think, you know more than almost anyone, if the President is hauling all those people over here, he wants this to be done. This is somebody who knows the power of theatrics and ceremony more than most. And it would be a humiliation if, if our alleged allies immediately broke this deal. So I think he is speaking to the world today. He's speaking to the Arab world, but he's also speaking to the leadership of Israel in Israel, making clear that this is his line in the sand and careful in crossing it.
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Steve Bannon
Kurt Mills, where do people go on your social media? You'll have a lot to say today. I want everybody to go to your Twitter account as you keep people up to speed with what's going on.
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Kurt Mills
Sure. The Twitter account, the x account is urt millsurt.m I L L S on X U R T M I L O S on X. And the magazine is www.the American Conservative.com magazine, founded in 2002 here in D.C. by conservatives and friends against the Iraq war. Hoping to avoid the mistakes like that again in the future. Thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Do you, do you agree with me on my assessment of Ratcliffe? Am I too harsh on the CIA director?
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Kurt Mills
I haven't seen the administration or Radcliffe or CIA deny the fairly well substantiated allegations that he was shuffling Mossad intelligence at the absolute height of the crisis in June with Iran. Look, the President is entitled to all information. The President can listen to the Israelis. But accepting Israeli claims about the region on the face of it is insane. Especially because of the number of decisions we ended up making during the Iran crisis based on that intelligence. And the reality is we don't know that much. And that's the legacy. I mentioned, the Iraq War. That was the legacy of the Iraq war. Check out Steve Kahl's book the Achilles Trap. That is all about what the CIA knew going into the Iraq War. Turns out, not very much. Saddam Hussein was basically retired and writing a novel. His weapons programs have been basically dismantled. He was not the same guy as he was in Gulf War one and the Iran Iraq War. And I just, I caution we don't know that much about Iran, unfortunately. It's a closed and bureaucratic and gerontocratic Islamic society. But the reality is they are not saber rattling for a war. Our alleged allies are and we should be very wary.
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Steve Bannon
Brother, thank you so much. Ben Harnwell, can you give us Some pearls of wisdom before we call on you in the 10 o' clock hour, sir.
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Ben Harnwell
Yeah, well, look, Steve, people with longer memories will remember how Bibi stabbed President Trump, who'd shown him nothing but loyalty and support in his first administration. Stabbed, stabbed President Trump in the back over the stolen election in his rush to embrace Joe Biden and walked all over what he presumed would be President Trump's political corpse. Bibi has had a good run. I'm amazed he got this far. And now, finally, what I consider to be justice is being done and Bibi's no longer calling the shots over a US administration. Not remotely. It's a very good, necessary, long overdue realignment. We'll see how far this goes in the future. But one thing I'll close with this, Steve. One thing to note here with President Trump's graciousness to the hostages and the families, that whoever did the scheduling of this, I guess, will have had some appreciation of the time necessary in order to do that properly. The consequence of that is that President Trump has made the Knesset wait there for what, an hour and a half in its seat, waiting for him like the vassals they are. And that is also, I think, entirely appropriate.
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Steve Bannon
If only Miriam Adelson was in that crowd for an hour. Be even better. Ben Harnwell, your social media. Where do folks go?
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Ben Harnwell
Thanks, Steve. Get at my social media platform of choice at Harnwell, which is my surname. Thanks, Steve. God bless. Catch you at 10am thank you.
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Steve Bannon
Thank you, sir. Dave Brat, thank you for coming in for the five o' clock hour. You've been absolutely brilliant. Give us some closing thoughts before we toss to Steve Bruber, who's going to take us home.
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Dave Brat
Well, Harnwell is pretty perceptive there and it was interesting. When you scan the room, it almost looked like the court of Henry V or whatever the. The faces on the inner court there. Hegseth, Huckabee, Rubio. You know, the Israelis as you scan the room, are happy. Not as much happiness from our leader, Stephen Miller. No, he's. His face is stiff and he doesn't look happy.
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Steve Bannon
Dave, here, here comes.
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Dave Brat
Yeah, I see it coming.
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Steve Bannon
Here comes the President. United States, let's, let's cut right, let's cut live to the Knesset. Steve Gruber is going to take you here. We'll be back in the worm at 10 o'.
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Joel Gilbert
Clock.
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Dave Brat
It. Sam, it's.
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Steve Gruber
Please sit down. Knesset members, Today is Monday 13th of October, 2025, and I'm intending to open the special session of the Knesset in honor of the President of the United States, Mr. Donald J. Trump. Dear Knesset members, I would like to remind you that this is a special session and therefore there will be no disturbances. And whoever will disturb the session will be expelled from the session and there will be no warning and it is allowed to applaud in this session the Honorable Mr. Itzhak Herzog and his wife.
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Joel Gilbert
Michal.
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Steve Gruber
The honorary Mr. The Prime Minister Dr. Benjamin Netanyahu and his spouse Sarah, the Head of the opposition, Mr. Lapid and his wife Lihi Ministers and Knesset members.
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Steve Bannon
Special recognition to Minister.
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Kurt Mills
This is an I Heart podcast.