TURNING POINT TONIGHT, WITH JOBOB, FEBRUARY 27TH, 2026

Summary

Podcast Summary: Turning Point Tonight with JoBob – February 27, 2026

Podcast: Real America’s Voice
Host: JoBob (Turning Point Tonight, iHeartPodcasts)
Release Date: February 28, 2026
Featured Guests: Harry Cole, Priya Patel, Rep. Andy Biggs
Event Context: Interviews recorded at AmericaFest, December, Phoenix, AZ

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Overview

This episode of Turning Point Tonight showcases in-depth interviews from AmericaFest, focusing on the preservation of Western values, the challenges of immigration and integration, and the dynamics of contemporary American and British conservatism. Host JoBob leads candid conversations with UK journalist Harry Cole, internet commentator Priya Patel, and Arizona gubernatorial candidate (and current Congressman) Andy Biggs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Harry Cole: “Saving the West”—Transatlantic Conservatism

(Segment starts ~04:00)

• Transatlantic Threats & Lessons:
  Cole emphasizes the parallels between Western Europe, the UK, and the US regarding challenges like mass migration, free speech, and loss of cultural confidence.

  “There are a lot of lessons that can be learned from the Trump administration for Britain.” (Harry Cole, 04:02)

• Defining “the West”:
  The West is described not only via geography but through shared historical values—strong borders, democratic institutions, and a “civilized way of doing things.”

  “You know what the west is when you start to see you’re losing it.” (Harry Cole, 05:25)

• Role of Religion in Western Identity:
  Cole compares the British and American approaches—America’s overt religiosity vs. Britain’s subdued, institutional faith. Although UK Christianity is in decline, Cole insists Christian values underpin British law and society.

• Immigration, Integration, and Multiculturalism:
  The discussion covers successful integration in the UK historically, rising challenges due to mass migration, and how taboo or ridicule silenced genuine concerns—until Brexit.

  “For 20 years you weren’t allowed to talk… Anyone that raised concerns was either mocked, dismissed, or called a racist… Then we had this amazing explosion in 2016 with the Brexit referendum…” (Harry Cole, 11:14)

• American Pride vs. British Self-Criticism:
  Cole is struck by American pride in its institutions and history, contrasting it with British tendencies toward shame and reticence.

• Free Speech and Public Policy:
  British authorities prioritize monitoring online speech over tackling violent crime, a stark difference from American free speech norms.

  “…You can be arrested or the police will come to your door… meanwhile, stabbings and burglaries… are going completely, you know, [ignored].” (Harry Cole, 18:44)

• British Politics: The Farage Phenomenon & State Bureaucracy:
  Cole discusses Nigel Farage as a potential transformative (Trumpian) figure in UK politics, facing opposition from entrenched bureaucracy (“the Blob”) and existing legal frameworks like the Human Rights Act and Equalities Act.

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2. Priya Patel: Immigration, Assimilation, and Social Media in the Culture War

(Segment starts ~27:43)

• Being a Conservative Voice & “Influencer”:
  Patel discusses her viral presence, citing attention from figures like Elon Musk. Her background (daughter of an immigrant from Uganda/India, mother from Georgia, Christian upbringing) forms her unique perspective.

• Culture is Not Equal:
  Patel reiterates her controversial stance that “not all cultures are the same,” arguing that America should not uncritically welcome practices from other cultures that conflict with Western values of freedom and human rights.

  “You still have cultures… that embrace things like slavery, underage child marriage, human sacrifice. And… we’re trying to make the argument that all cultures are equal… I don’t think so.” (Priya Patel, 29:59)

• Assimilation vs. Multiculturalism:
  Immigration can work if it’s selective and gradual; mass immigration from culturally distant nations makes assimilation difficult.

  “If we import these people here en masse… they come in a community and… stay in that community… they’re not incentivized or even really given the opportunity to assimilate.” (Priya Patel, 37:17)

• Policy Ideas:

  • Advocates for scrutinizing birthright citizenship and naturalization.
  • Suggests more rigorous eligibility for citizenship and controlled immigration numbers.
  • Stresses it’s a privilege—not a right—to immigrate to the US.

  “…There should be some sort of litmus test. Like, if you’re not capable of loving this country and wanting to be a benefit to it, sorry, goodbye.” (Priya Patel, 37:57)

• Viral Moments and Identity:

  • Notes the irony and backlash when an immigrant’s child opposes open borders.
  • Shares lighthearted banter about her online persona and interaction with Elon Musk.

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3. Rep. Andy Biggs: Arizona Politics & Conservative Governance

(Segment starts ~41:54)

• Why Arizona Elects Democrats:
  Biggs attributes the split not simply to migration from liberal states but to Arizona’s streak of political independence and disengagement with traditional politics.

  “Arizona has always been a very independent state… you can change your persona, your identity, be somebody new here.” (Andy Biggs, 42:34)

• Turning Arizona “Red” Again:
  Emphasizes recent conservative gains, particularly in voter registration drives, and credits groups like Turning Point USA.

• Key Priorities as Governor:

  1. Border Security:
     Top priority due to crime and social concerns. Describes the removal of border barriers and the opposition to border enforcement by the current governor.

     “Doesn’t matter how much money you have if you’re not safe.” (Andy Biggs, 46:37)

  2. Economic Issues:
     Advocates for lowering housing costs by reforming water management, land permitting, and resisting anti-growth policies.

     “In Arizona, housing prices are out of control… We can fix all that, and when we fix all that, prices in homes are going to come down.” (Andy Biggs, 47:05)

• Experience & Legislative Tactics:
  Biggs pledges to build broad coalitions and maintain an active presence in Congress, avoiding the “sleepwalking” he observes in some colleagues.

• Local Quirk—Prescott Pronunciation:
  Playfully discusses the in-state debate over the pronunciation of “Prescott,” reflecting on the value of local traditions.

  “I think, as governor, your first action should be an executive order to rename Prescott to Prescott by not even changing any letters. You just phonetically change it.” (Interviewer, 52:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Transatlantic Conservatism & Civilization:

  “What binds the west… [is] countries that respect strong borders, strong shared history, strong democratic values, and a civilized way of doing things.”
  —Harry Cole, 05:11

• On American vs. British Identity:

  “You hear your national anthem and you celebrate your flag and your constitution… We’re always taught to be ashamed of history… these concepts are alien to us.”
  —Harry Cole, 17:07

• On Political Change in Britain:

  “…the system needs electroshock therapy, it needs a jolt… the problem Nigel Farage has is I worry the system is so broken he’s going to hit exactly the same roadblocks…” —Harry Cole, 24:43

• On Immigration & Cultural Assimilation:

  “Not all cultures are the same… we have to look at that… it’s twofold because it’s not that we can’t have any immigration… but you have to do it strategically and sparingly.”
  —Priya Patel, 36:21

• On Immigration Policy:

  “If you’re not capable of loving this country and wanting to be of a benefit to it, sorry, goodbye. It’s a privilege to be able to come here. It’s not a right.”
  —Priya Patel, 37:57

• On Border Walls:

  “They’re going around the wall. So maybe we should extend the length of the wall. What do you think of that?”
  —Andy Biggs, 46:21

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [04:00] – [27:27]: Harry Cole Interview: Transatlantic conservatism, defining the West, religion & values, UK immigration debate, Brexit, free speech, UK politics.
• [27:43] – [41:53]: Priya Patel Interview: Internet activism, immigration policy, assimilation, cultural differences, identity & virality, family background.
• [41:54] – [53:31]: Andy Biggs Interview: Arizona politics, border security, economic issues, running for governor, coalition-building, local quirk (“Prescott” debate).

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Conclusion

This episode combines sharp cultural analysis with humor and personal stories, offering listeners a window into grassroots conservative thinking on both sides of the Atlantic. The candid interviews cover the challenges of migration and cultural identity, the battle for free speech, and strategies for political revival—as well as the idiosyncrasies of local American politics.

For commentary, feedback, or concerns, listeners are encouraged to reach out to the show at tptposa.com.

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Transcript

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[Harry Cole]

Well, I mean, I'm from London, as you might have guessed by my accent, we're facing the same issues that America is facing across Europe, across the United Kingdom. I think there is a massive crossover in how we deal with those problems as well. Well, and I think there is a lot of lessons that can be learned from the Trump administration for Britain. And I think there's a lot of things that Britain is getting wrong. So I think America want to go down that path. There are a lot of things that Europe are getting wrong, particularly on mass migration, particularly on free speech, that we can sort of serve as a warning sign for the wider West. So we want to look at what we can learn from each other, how we can work together. What's America getting right? What's America getting wrong? What are we getting right? What are we getting wrong? And where can we meet in the middle before it's too hard?

[Interviewer / Host]

How many people do you think, just in your estimation, anecdotal, can define the West?

[Harry Cole]

That's A very good point and one I did think about. I mean, I work for Britain's best selling tabloid newspaper and I don't suspect that many of our readers are suspended and they're thinking, you know, this great cause of the west, but there is overwhelmingly a sense of collective values and collective history in what we would call in Britain, perhaps the Commonwealth. And I'm thinking America, Canada, Australia as sort of striking examples, but countries that respect strong borders, strong shared history, strong democratic values and a boss, civilized way of doing things. I think that is what binds the west, obviously geographically, when you've got Australia and New Zealand. Yeah, of course the west. But I think, I think, I think you know what the west is. When you start to see it, you're losing it. And I think that's when people wake up to this idea of Western values and what we need to defend. Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I don't know where, I don't know where you're at religiously on any of that sort of stuff. I would define the west or at least the, the birth of the west as the philosophy of Athens meets the religion of Jerusalem. You've got, you've got Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, go down the line figuring out, okay, well, humans can't, you can't get to virtue. You need a higher power. And then, boom, Jerusalem, the higher power. Now with that understanding of, quote, unquote, the west, is there a necessity for a religious component when it comes to saving it, or can it be done strictly on the culture that the west has cultivated?

[Harry Cole]

I think, I think it can be done. Obviously, anecdotally, being here is like, it's quite extraordinary actually, because it's, you know, I've been to be going to political conferences and rallies.

[Interviewer / Host]

This is nothing like you've ever seen,

[Harry Cole]

not just on the scale.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

The underpinning of faith here, which you just don't get in British politics. But yet in British politics we have bishops in our legislature, but you don't have. The religion is built in. The established Church of England is built into the system.

[Interviewer / Host]

Everybody ignores it for some reason in

[Harry Cole]

a way that is completely different from here, where actually you deliberately excluded the, the official religion aspect from your democracy. But yet the faith is so strong in the wider community. So I think we've got to do our faith differently in Britain. But yes, it is there and it's in the very values of Christianity and the reality of, of, of. Yeah, as you say, that tradition that, that long tradition going back centuries that is underpinning it, whether we wear our crosses on our Sleeves and our hats and our T shirts like they do here is different. But fundamentally Britain is a Christian country. Yes, Christianity publicly church tend, is on the decline. Yeah. But the values of the British quote unquote, constitution, British law and order, British values are underpinned in that, in that historical.

[Interviewer / Host]

So but I'm just, I'm curious. So in order to maintain the cultural and the tradition of that, if the people don't buy into the religion that underpinned the tradition, how does that, how is that sustainable?

[Harry Cole]

Well, that's, that is a very good point and that is I think where things started to wait. That is where I think, you know, on the stage you hear it, you hear a lot here. It's, you know, this isn't a way,

[Andy Biggs]

this isn't a revival.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

That revival of, of Christianity pluck the main religion of Britain off the shelves. Hasn't happened. It is going the other way. And it's almost that actually religion in the UK is almost, almost been in terms of sort of public policy, it's almost been replaced by another religion. Another religion. I was going to say the religion is sort of public sector wokeism personally. But okay, but yeah, no, obviously, you know, one of the key things, as soon as anyone hears my act in this country, they always ask first, what is going on in Britain? What the hell is going on in London? What are you doing with your borders? I do think it's slightly overpowered, blown. But I obviously do get the.

[Interviewer / Host]

Really why, why is that? Because I read all the same things everybody else reads, but I'm not there.

[Harry Cole]

Because actually the success of integration in the UK is actually sort of underreported for the, for the downsides of immigration. Really for the last 50 years in the UK, UK actually integration has been a success story. There are second and third and fourth generation Indians, Muslims who have integrated into UK society in a way that is truly impressive. In the last 15 years, however, that is, that is frayed. That is when the numbers have gone like that. That is when the numbers have gone up massively. And actually I think it's a, it's a, it's a problem of, of mass rather than, it's a mass problem rather than migration.

[Interviewer / Host]

What do you think of the arguments that are made in terms of priority of how those are? I'm thinking of a clip from like the 80s. I think it's Rowan Atkinson saying, I

[Harry Cole]

like Indian food now we've got the recipe, we've got it.

[Interviewer / Host]

So in terms of. That's the argument that's made. Well that the culture, the food, like

[Harry Cole]

the Piers Morgan argument. Basically, I'd take a curry over this guy.

[Andy Biggs]

Or, you know.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Harry Cole]

Look, the reason that clip was so funny was because it was lampooning what was then the far right in the UK for that sort of going to that, for the sort of clamping down on immigration. The problem was. And that's really interesting that you raised that clip because I was thinking about that just the other day. The problem was for 20 years you weren't allowed to talk. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Say anything.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

And so, you know, it was, it became that religious dogma, that mantra that there is no downside to this. We all live in a sort of almost post borders happy world where multiculturalism is a, is, you know, is, is a British value. It's kind of not though. It can work and it can be successful, but it can't ignore the problems that come with it. When people wake up in the morning, they don't recognize the place that they were born. They don't recognize the street that they grew up on. They don't recognize their village, their town, their area that almost sort of overnight has been transformed into a different culture and so on. That, that clip is the perfect example because anyone that raised immigration, he was kind of lampooning Tory MPs. It was meant to be a sort of Conservative Party conference and he was giving a speech to the conference and everyone was lapping it up. They were sort of lampooning concern about it. But that's almost part of the problem is that anyone that raised concerns over the last 20 years was either mocked, dismissed or dismissed or called a racist or canceled or banished from the land almost. And then we had this amazing explosion in 2016 with the Brexit referendum, where suddenly people were just actually fed up with being told to sit down, shut up, get on with it, pay your taxes and don't complain. And this how of anguish and rage came through in that result. And then that result was ignored. All but ignored. Yes, we left the European Union, but the immigration after that rocketed. Yes, there were Covid factors and, and the like, but actually we, you know, it was replaced by a visa system and a border system that the liberal fans of immigration said, it's we, we control who comes here. And we decided to bring in a million extra people in one year. Whereas, you know, it's, it's, it's sort of that the boil is it hasn't yet been laughed, but it's finally reached a stage where actually mainstream politicians of both sides are talking about immigration clampdowns, they're talking about illegal migrations. The Labour Party, the Labour government is talking a good game saying we're going to deport illegal criminals. There's the left of their body hated. Their MPs hate it. But you know, they know where the public is in this. And I think what we're seeing in Britain is, is a, is a political class and I think this happened in election of President Trump as well in 2016. The political class is 20 years media class. I will add to that and the comedian class, the BBC who made that clip.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

So we're so 20 years behind where the public are that actually now that only now really waking up to just quite how concerned concerned the average Brit is. And so while they might not sit around, you know, talking about saving the west.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, they're concerned, feeling it.

[Harry Cole]

They're feeling it. They're living it.

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[Harry Cole]

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[Interviewer / Host]

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[Harry Cole]

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[Interviewer / Host]

Why don't they go through the portal that every other immigrant goes through that immediately adapts you to the, the culture and assimilates? Because that exists. Right?

[Harry Cole]

Yeah. They're meant to take a British citizen. Like, you know, you're meant to study in the same way for British citizens. Yeah, but the British citizen exam basically says, you know, isn't it brilliant that we're in this multicultural society and, you know, you come over and you just do. You do your thing.

[Interviewer / Host]

I was talking about a make believe, magical portal which for some reason people think exists. Well, as soon as you live here, you have immediately adapted and assimilated to the culture. Okay, rank the, in your mind, rank the import when it comes to saving the west, because I think that we can all agree on that. We're talking, we're foundational conversations of what the culture looks like going forward. Rank the priorities of teaching the citizens what Western values is and immigration. Because it seems there's a. Anytime the west comes up, it's immigration. That's the thing. But in relation to raising kids and propagating them in Western values and Western traditions, what's more important to thwart immigration? And I know you obviously need both, but what takes priority?

[Harry Cole]

I think the essence of liberty and free speech is encoded and enshrined into American kids far more than it is in Britain.

[Interviewer / Host]

And I don't think it is very much here.

[Harry Cole]

I disagree.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, really? Really Interesting.

[Harry Cole]

And yes, look, this is. That was not a, that was not a response. Yeah, that wasn't a, you know, a, a representative audience in the hall yesterday.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, it gets me.

[Harry Cole]

I've been in this country six, I've been living here for six months and it gets me every time. I went to a concert of the Kennedy center national anthem plays. You know, every concert you go to every. You hear your national anthem and you celebrate your flag and you celebrate your constitution institution and you celebrate your history so far more than we do in the United Kingdom. We're always taught to be ashamed of history, but, you know, you pledge allegiance in a classroom to the flag in the mornings. These concepts are alien in a way to us. And I think that's what we have sort of forgotten how to do. We've forgotten how to be proud of ourselves as Brits. We've gotten how to be proud of that shared history. The reason that America has such a soft spot for Britain. It doesn't. Because you kicked our ass 250 years ago. Is the fact that, you know, we took the greatest and best ideas of British liberty and Imported them here and basically let that experiment just run. Right. I'm not allowed. Not allowed to swear. Sorry about that. But like, it was, you know, it was, you know, British values and British liberty unleashed. Yeah. And that's why I think, you know, that's where I think the disconnect is that actually instead of looking at America proudly as our sort of. Almost our sort of offspring suffering too many in Britain, look at it as a sort of crazy place with guns and guard and actually not forgetting, actually, you know, they have a lot more. A lot more, you know, freedoms. They have a lot more. You have a lot more protections from the government. You have a lot more protections from the state. You have a. We can get into the free speech debate in Europe and Britain if we have time. But, you know, you just have to look at the, you know, look at what's happening in Britain where you can be arrested or the police were come to your door. They're basically intervening in flame wars on Facebook between. Between, like, mums and, like, you know, they're policing Twitter and you. And meanwhile, stabbings and burglaries and thefts and robberies are going completely, you know. You know, please tell you we haven't got the resources to do that. But you've got the resources to go knock on some Karen's door because she said something outrageous in a Facebook group.

[Andy Biggs]

It's.

[Interviewer / Host]

It's. It's wax. I didn't know. You have just been here for six months.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

If you don't mind me asking, what's your immigration or. You're on a work visa or work visa.

[Harry Cole]

So I'm here for a couple years. So I'm on a.

[Interviewer / Host]

And you're planning to overstay just like the rest of them.

[Harry Cole]

Exactly.

[Interviewer / Host]

And you'll have a final deportation notice and nobody will ever get you out.

[Harry Cole]

Never be able to leave. I did actually get. I did actually have a very interesting encounter with ICE on my way back. I went down to the Bahamas a couple of. A couple of weeks ago.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, that's your own fault.

[Harry Cole]

And then on the way back in, I'm to going because the US Borders in the Bahamas, they. They outsource it there. I had a very. Yeah, very. Yeah. They were very confused to why a British guy on a.

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On a.

[Harry Cole]

On a journalist visa was traveling alone. I was like, let's just give those bags one more extra check.

[Interviewer / Host]

I know.

[Harry Cole]

So I'm here on a journalist visa. Look, I love this country. I've always wanted to work here. I've Always wanted to experience for real. I've been in and out of America for work for, for the better part of two decades, but never actually lived the, you know, lived the life there. And I thought, you know, what better time to do it? There's not a right of center journalist in the world right now who doesn't want to see this, this extraordinary for good and bad at times administration up close and at work.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

And so much coverage of Trump is utterly hysterical in the uk. It is, it is filtered through the prism of, you know, you call it the mainstream media. I disagree because actually the British press actually kind of right of center, actually pretty, still pretty good. But you know, there are, it's the liberal media of the BBC, the Guardian, who just, they either laugh or snare or, or just everything is hysteria. And so I think there's a really, there's an interesting audience, there's an interested audience in the UK for what is going on here without any of the spit.

[Interviewer / Host]

But it's, it's a, it's a reality TV show there. Right. I mean, it's a reality TV show here too.

[Harry Cole]

Great. But that's how policy, that's how he did it.

[Andy Biggs]

Right.

[Harry Cole]

He fundamentally hijacked the system through TV and social media and won.

[Interviewer / Host]

Is there any political figure in the UK that not saying it is the UK Trump, because that doesn't exist. He's one of one.

[Harry Cole]

So Boris Johnson, who was prime minister for three years, mayor of London for a long time, was always called the UK British Trump. Crazy blonde hair. He got into trouble for things he said, very outspoken, very funny. Yeah. But actually ended up overseeing the most liberalized liberalization of our, of our immigration system in, in, in in British history. You know, he, his numbers were not great, obviously. Finally won office, got Brexit done and then was hit by CO immediately after that. So went down on that. The person you want to keep your eye on is Nigel Farage, leader of reform. He is the person that's tapping into

[Interviewer / Host]

that sort of close as you can

[Harry Cole]

get to and you started to see it a sort of MAGA uprising in the United Kingdom. Leader of reform. He's on 33% in the polls. He gets 35% in the polls in our lives. You can form an administration. So it's definitely one to watch. He's obviously a close ally of Donald Trump. He was out here in 2015, 2016. He was the first British politician to go over the top and actually endorse Trump. They've shared rally stages. He's in and out of the Oval when he's. He's in town and he's looked at, and I've spoken to him about Turning Point, actually. He's looked at how, you know, the organization on the ground, the grassroots movement. Yeah. Expanding out to younger people, widening the voter pool. Yeah. Bringing in people that haven't voted ever before. Talking and communicating with people in a different way, bypassing the mainstream media. He's the playbook. Down to the fireworks on the stage.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

Is out of the Turning Point playbook.

[Interviewer / Host]

So interesting.

[Harry Cole]

He's really one to watch. I suspect he probably will be the Prime Minister because as I said, we had that great uprising and a howl of anguish with Brexit and most people consider that it was a wasted opportunity. We haven't used any of the freedoms that leaving the European Union has given us. Nigel Farage was obviously a key driver of that, but then was locked out of any involvement with it by basically establishment stitcher. And then the country voted for Boris Johnson and they didn't get the change then. Then, you know, they went through the pandemic. They voted labor last year and on a. On a promise of change, they've been. They have become the most historically unpopular.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

Administration in record time. Keir Starmer, the British Prime Minister, is the most unpopular leader since polling was invented.

[Interviewer / Host]

Was invented.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah.

[Harry Cole]

You say, oh, the longest polling in. No, there is not a single poll in polling history. Has anyone else less popular? So you've got this sort of broken political class. You've got a public that's fed up. They don't like the Tories, they're sick of labor. And you know what I think they're going to say? I think enough people are going to say, why not give this guy a chance? He can't be as bad as any of the others. Yeah. And that's, I think, kind of what went. What happened with Trump as well. It's like, right, the system needs electroshock therapy, it needs a jolt. And the problem Nigel Farage has is I worry that the system is so broken that he's going to come into power and he'll hit exactly the same roadblocks as not be able to do anything. Pulling the chocolate tea book, pulling the chocolate levers. Wanted to mix my metaphors. They're coming up against the same establishment that ingrained as we get to bring the conversation around that ingrained, woke public sector. They call it the Blob. Trump calls it the deep state. They call it the blob. In the UK it's 450,000 people on the, on the government payroll, all sort of indoctrinated in the same ideals. And, you know, Nigel Farage is an anatoma to them. I then worry what happens next when, you know, you, you, you've got a British public demanding change. So they keep trying, changing it, keep trying, different leaders and they're still not getting results. That's when I fear, see you're looking, you go to the extremes.

[Interviewer / Host]

Potentially a decade down the road,

[Harry Cole]

they're

[Interviewer / Host]

fed up, is going to win. He's going to fail, maybe. What's next?

[Harry Cole]

Well, unless he kind of levels with the public and unless he does, he needs to come in and day one have, well, maybe just one big beautiful bill, but one big beautiful reform repeal bill. He needs to reform certain key pieces of legislation that basically bind Bruce an end to this. The state that I've created, the Human Rights act, which basically enshrines oversight from the Strasbourg human rights into every single law. The Equalities act, which is a pernicious piece of legislation that just cripples government from being able to do basically anything because you could upset someone. Gone, bonfire, gone. Leave the European Convention of Human Rights. Day one, I would go further and leave a whole load of UN agencies. We'll say that for term two maybe, but. And then he's got to basically, the House of Lords is obviously a unelected chamber. Our unelected Senate essentially is stuffed full of these public sector gurus and they, you know, he's got to Basically on day one, appoint 150 people's peers. Not that I'm auditioning for a job, but 150 people's peers to go. He might not even have to appoint them, but say, look, you pass this bill or I'm going to flood the upper chamber with these, with these 100 meters and we're going to vote to abolish the upper chamber. And that's the only way I think

[Interviewer / Host]

you can do it. Whether he's got the balls, I don't understand British politics nearly as well, but I think you've convinced me that, yeah, he can't do that. It's not possible.

[Harry Cole]

They came pretty close to do it because the House of Lords was basically blocking Brexit. They wanted a second referendum. They wanted the stupid public to be told to make the correct decision this time and eventually they relented. But, you know, the Prime Minister can ask the King to do, you know, to appoint peers overnight. Yeah. And if he appointed them on a platform of abolition, I mean, I think

[Interviewer / Host]

the public could wear It I just

[Harry Cole]

thought the BBC, the guy I was

[Interviewer / Host]

going to say they're taking away the health care. Oh, the NHS is being gutted.

[Harry Cole]

We haven't even got onto the nhs.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, I was going to say we

[Harry Cole]

are a great one square great democracy with a, you know, a health service with the ones great democracy on the side. By the end of this decade, half of day to day government spending half of day to day government spending is going to be on the NHS. Add to that £100 billion a year on benefits. Add to that £111 billion a year servicing our debt. Basically bankrupt.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, Harry call saves the West. I appreciate the conversation and as much as the I'd like to save the west, unfortunately I'm much less optimistic. So thank you for that.

[Harry Cole]

Maybe I'm holding out for a second season. It's going to take a little while. Awesome. Thank you.

[Andy Biggs]

Appreciate it. Thank you.

[Harry Cole]

Awesome.

[Interviewer / Host]

Pre Patel FRIEND OF the show Fun Internet personality. What is, what is even, what is any of this anymore? What is an influencer like you just, you turn on the camera and just start talking. Is that what you do? Is that when you're like, hey, what do you do? I talk at a phone.

[Priya Patel]

Basically I voice my opinions on political and cultural matters on the Internet.

[Interviewer / Host]

I was going to say you probably can't say I talk on a phone cuz they'll go Indian customer service.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah, yeah, basically I was bad.

[Harry Cole]

I

[Priya Patel]

do tech support. Hello. I do.

[Interviewer / Host]

So okay, in reality, you've been an interesting kind of presence on the, on the Internet seed for a while. Yeah, we've had you on the show a number of times. Just kind of like as a commentator kind of changed how we do the show a little bit. So that's not as frequent as it, as it was. What do you notice is going nuts on social media because, because there's certain topics, right. Like there's certain things that go crazy. Like you know, Trump said this Epstein files Hillary, Hillary and Kamala are not really things anymore.

[Priya Patel]

But I don't know, Hillary might be or sorry, Kamala might be making a comeback.

[Interviewer / Host]

But don't write she's leading in the polls. She's beating J.D. vance in the polls.

[Priya Patel]

Is she? Last night, last I saw is that Trump was actually beating her in the polls.

[Interviewer / Host]

So it doesn't matter. She's not gonna win. I kind of hope she continues to stay above so that she decides to run.

[Priya Patel]

I will. I want to make a public plea to Democrats. Please spare us the inevitable heartbreak of Kamala Harris running because we will never Stand a chance. Please don't do that to us.

[Interviewer / Host]

I get what you're doing. I understand what you're saying. I was going to make the case of like, no, let her run. Please make.

[Priya Patel]

We were on the same page, Joe.

[Interviewer / Host]

We were in Houston at the Megyn Kelly Tour and Don Jr. Gave his full throated endorsement to Kamala Harris to be the DNC chair. Okay, sorry, not DNC Chair. To win the DNC nominee for president. Okay, so immigration has been like a thing.

[Priya Patel]

Immigration.

[Interviewer / Host]

So this is, this is what I want to talk about because there's so many. Everybody talks about all the things specifically. You have garnered a lot of attention for making the erroneous claim that not all cultures are the same. Tell us about, about that.

[Priya Patel]

Well, I mean, it's pretty, it's pretty simply laid out like that. Not all cultures are the same. You still have cultures across the world that embrace things like slavery, underage, like child marriage, human sacrifice. And we're trying to make the argument that all cultures are equal and we in the west, but specifically America need to embrace them and let them just come into our country. I don't think so.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, I. And so what is kind of the. Obviously. How do I phrase this? The negative reaction. Right, Because. So here's why I wanted to talk about this because. So yesterday we're at a thing just out and about doing stuff, and I was talking to somebody else and you pulled out your phone and shows up. Elon Musk just liked a tweet of mine. And I know that, I'm not saying this is like a flex, but like, that's crazy.

[Priya Patel]

It is, it is crazy to think about. And it's. It's happened a handful of times more recently. So just with the immigration.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so why. What is the what is like category characterize what it is that you're saying on the Internet that is making the richest man in the world who, guys who owns the platform that you're posting it to repost that.

[Priya Patel]

I, you know, I think it's things that people are very much recognizing and, and a lot of people are voicing this. I'm far from the first person to, to have this opinion and put it on the Internet. But I think what is shocking to a lot of people is that I'm a young, obviously not fully white woman saying that, and I have a very Indian name. Like, I very, very much recognize that. So people deduce that my family obviously immigrated here, at least at some point, which they did, and they think that it is a cardinal sin as somebody that has at some point been the beneficiary of immigration to this country.

[Interviewer / Host]

That I don't want open borders.

[Harry Cole]

Exactly.

[Priya Patel]

That I don't want to have open borders. That I don't think that all immigration, even legal immigration, is a good thing for the country, because it's simply not.

[Interviewer / Host]

So you were briefly, before we got on here and before I stopped, you were telling us how you and Ma' am Danny are cousins.

[Priya Patel]

No. No, we're not cousins.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so tell us the backstory of your. Your family's immigration thing. So you. You have a white mom? Yes, I have a white mom.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah. My. My.

[Interviewer / Host]

My dad immigrated. Your dad immigrated?

[Priya Patel]

Yes, my mom's family on my mom's side, I have ancestry dating back to the 1700s. Here, my. One of my ancestors literally founded the. The colony of Georgia. So I have tea fruits.

[Interviewer / Host]

You're an immigrant bigot is what I hear. Perfect.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah. But my dad's family. So my dad was born in Uganda

[Interviewer / Host]

right before with Ma' Am Danny.

[Priya Patel]

No. No. Okay. Mom Donnie. If I'm. If I'm not mistaken, Mom, Donnie's parents fled Uganda the same time that my family did.

[Interviewer / Host]

To Uganda or Uganda?

[Priya Patel]

No, from Uganda. So from Uganda was the dictator of Uganda at the time. And he basically said, all the Indians are not. But not dark enough. If you don't leave, we're going to throw you in concentration camps or kill you. So everybody obviously fled. My family went to the UK and that's where they stayed for roughly 10 years while waiting to be able to come to this country.

[Interviewer / Host]

Interesting.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And so that. That means you can't criticize any immigration then.

[Harry Cole]

Right.

[Priya Patel]

Apparently, when my. So my father came here and was pretty much already a similar.

[Interviewer / Host]

Why did you just say father? Do you describe him as father? Because that's a very. That's a high society thing.

[Priya Patel]

When I. My father, when I refer to him, like, in this context. Yeah. Sometimes. Very horrible. Sorry, you say dad. My dad.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[Harry Cole]

All right.

[Priya Patel]

No, I mean, my dad grew up. He moved to England when he was about three years old.

[Harry Cole]

Okay.

[Priya Patel]

He grew up in England.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah.

[Priya Patel]

And then moved here. If you ask my family or any friends of my father's that he's known since then, he's never had an accent. He assimilated right away. My dad interned for the Reagan.

[Interviewer / Host]

He never had an Indian accent.

[Harry Cole]

Did.

[Interviewer / Host]

He also. Never had a British accent.

[Priya Patel]

Never had a British accent. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

So he's just accent proof.

[Priya Patel]

I think he just, like, once he got here, he was like, boom, America.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay. Yeah, that's interesting.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah, but yeah, rock ribbed conservative from the time that he got here.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so why, how, how does that happen?

[Priya Patel]

Well, okay, so a lot of people, especially at that time, credited JFK with a lot of the Indian immigration to America. So I think that's why we see a lot of brown people really, really rah rah for Democrats. But it's just kind of a fallacy because it's really not something you can credit JFK with in the first place. But like, my dad recognized the values that this country had long before he even moved here. So that's why he was so ready to embrace it upon arrival and having the privilege of being able to cut here.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so did you grow up in a Christian household?

[Priya Patel]

I did.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, so how did that happen? How does the. How does the Ugandan Indian from Britain convert to Christianity and adopt American traditional values?

[Priya Patel]

Yeah, so my dad, I don't know really where he is particularly at with his spiritual journey. He has explored a lot in the Christian church. My mom is very Christian on her side of the family. Very, very Christian. So that's kind of the framework that I grew up in. My mom took us to church every single weekend. Church camps during summers. And my mom's family kind of adopted my dad even before they got married. My mom's brother and my dad were best friends growing up, so he kind of grew up with them and in my mom's side of the family. So that was just kind of the culture that I was raised under.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, yeah. Interesting. And therefore you're anti immigrant. Okay, so, okay, culture. How do you then, from a policy standpoint, and I recognize this is a big, expansive question with a potentially impossible answer. How do you delineate the culture when people are coming in? Do you have to do it by country? Do you somehow figure out the individual?

[Harry Cole]

How does that work?

[Priya Patel]

Well, I think it comes twofold. We also, we have to recognize, and most of us do recognize, and I know you do, there are obviously countries and cultures that assimilate with American culture far easier. Like my.

[Interviewer / Host]

Like Somalia.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah, exactly. No, but like, my dad grew up in England. He assimilated quite easily, despite having a more ethnic background than obviously just a white Englishman. But, like, those are the type of cultures, Christian Western culture is going to be far more assimilable to America than that of Somalia. Right. So we have to look at that. But this, it's twofold because it's not that we can't have any immigration from these countries, these like, third world countries at all, but you have to do it strategically and sparingly. If we import these people here on mass altogether, guess what? They come in, in the community and they're going to stay in that community. They have no, they're not incentivized or even really given the opportunity. Opportunity to assimilate. We used to hear these stories of, you know, our grandparents migrating here and they came here with $50 in their pocket. They spoke barely any English, they didn't know anybody and they had to learn English. They had to figure it out. But these people from Somalia, from like we see in England, from Pakistan, they're not even like put in between a rock and roll hard place to try innocently. They don't need to.

[Interviewer / Host]

So what do you do about that though?

[Priya Patel]

You let like one or two in at a time.

[Interviewer / Host]

One or two at a time.

[Priya Patel]

Stop letting everybody in. I mean, it's. I just don't understand why we have to allow these people to just flood into our country. I really don't like. And there should be some sort of litmus test, like if you're not capable of loving this country and wanting to be of a benefit to it, sorry, goodbye. Goodbye. It's a privilege to be able to come here. It's not a riot. So you either assimilate and integrate into our society, our culture, our norms, or goodbye or die.

[Interviewer / Host]

I'm kidding.

[Harry Cole]

I do not wish you came from.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah, there you go. There's that too. Do you think there should be? And I realize we're probably going off the rails just a tad.

[Priya Patel]

It's okay. I'm ready.

[Interviewer / Host]

A generation components. So. Oh, man. We. This, this can.

[Priya Patel]

This can for what? For things like voting?

[Interviewer / Host]

No, no. Yeah, like, like, you know, you, you can immigrate here, you can do all the things, but it's going to take a generation or two to fully assimilate to the culture, the society. And, and you don't just give it away. You don't give citizenship away. Interesting. And then birthright. Citizen. Citizenship. Thoughts? Comments, Concerns? Criticisms? How does it work? Should it work?

[Priya Patel]

I mean, I, I definitely think we need to take a long, hard look at both birthright citizenship and naturalization in this country because a lot of people shouldn't be here that do have citizenship in this country. But I mean, if we're looking as deep as like a policy level, I, I'm not qualified to comment too hard on that. But yeah, I don't know.

[Interviewer / Host]

Get rid of it.

[Priya Patel]

I mean, I'm, I wouldn't be opposed to.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, because I think, I mean, at the very least, don't allow somebody who sneaks across the Rio Grande, has a baby in El Paso and then goes back or stays here.

[Priya Patel]

Both parents are in the country legally, not simply on a short term green card. But like, if you are both in the country legally, then fine. But yeah, if you hop, skip, and a jump over the border, even then.

[Interviewer / Host]

Sounds pretty sus.

[Priya Patel]

Even then.

[Interviewer / Host]

I don't know. If you have a work visa, you can get that pretty easily.

[Priya Patel]

No. Yeah, yeah. As I said, no short term visas. There has to be. There has to be something. There has to be some sort of barrier there where we don't. Yeah. Just allow people that are here short term that have no actual stake in the country and just hand their children who also don't really have a stake in their country because their parents are eventually going to probably go back to where they came from, or they're going to move off of our system and sit here illegally. But they shouldn't just be granted citizenship either.

[Interviewer / Host]

So in. In wrapping up here. Daughter of an immigrant, Elon Musk, owns a platform, also an immigrant. Reposted some of your stuff.

[Priya Patel]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Has he slid in the DMs yet?

[Priya Patel]

He has not slid in the DMs.

[Interviewer / Host]

Don't lie.

[Priya Patel]

No, I'm not lying.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay.

[Priya Patel]

On God. On God. Has not slid in.

[Interviewer / Host]

On God for real.

[Priya Patel]

On God for real.

[Interviewer / Host]

What do you think the odds are? Do you think if we post this to the Internet talking about immigration, he'll. He'll see this and then slide in the dm? What would you do?

[Priya Patel]

Thanks for the support. Love your platform. Have a nice day. Goodbye.

[Interviewer / Host]

Also, could I have 100 grand? You wouldn't even notice.

[Priya Patel]

He wouldn't notice. I will not have his child for that.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's not what.

[Andy Biggs]

Whoa.

[Interviewer / Host]

I did not see say that at all.

[Priya Patel]

You were insane at all.

[Interviewer / Host]

Did I say that? At no point. I'm just saying $100,000 wouldn't mean anything to him. And it would help.

[Priya Patel]

True. If the platform wanted to give me a bonus, I wouldn't complain, but you're

[Interviewer / Host]

the one that brought up, you know, a quid pro.

[Priya Patel]

Okay, Joe Bob, you brought it up first.

[Andy Biggs]

I did not.

[Priya Patel]

You brought it up first.

[Andy Biggs]

Yes, you did.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, oh. As the record will show, which the camera does not, we have.

[Priya Patel]

We have witnesses.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay, well, Priya Patel, Internet provocateur, bigot and fascist, Whatever. All the, all the words.

[Priya Patel]

Misogynist, obviously.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate you taking the time.

[Priya Patel]

Thank you for having me.

[Interviewer / Host]

Fun times. Congressman Andy Biggs here. Hopefully future Governor of the state of Arizona. Why in God's name does this very red state have so many Democrats elected statewide office?

[Andy Biggs]

I'm gonna tell you, a lot of people say, oh, it's all the Californians that moved in. I don't believe that. I don't believe that because we've got a lot of conservative Californians that have moved in.

[Interviewer / Host]

Well, the people that moved moved for a reason. Yeah, they're probably gonna be a little bit conservative.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, well, some of them, yeah, but some of them aren't. I mean, I get that, but I think it's. Arizona has always been a very independent state historically. And what happened is just people, they came in and they got disengaged. That's another thing that Arizona is famous for is you come in and you can change your Persona, change your identity and be somebody new here. Because it's a state that always was welcoming, but we're very independent here, very independent. So I think people just kind of stayed home.

[Public Podcast Announcer]

Really?

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

And why, why is that? Is it just because the, the issues in Washington don't affect them on their day to day life? What is, why is that the case?

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, I mean, the bottom line is a lot of people say it doesn't make any difference. Ah, I can go vote, but it won't make any difference. And for a long time we were a third red, third blue and a third independent.

[Harry Cole]

Right.

[Andy Biggs]

And now you're definitely redder. And I, I attribute that to Charlie and Turning Point. I mean really, really, really do. But we're, we have a350,000 voter registration advantage now over Democrats and we anticipate having a half of million by the time the election happens. And that should allow us, if we get our turnout.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

To turn the straight red. I mean, you started off the question. Charlie used to ask me that almost in front of every interview that, that would sit down, really. He'd say, what happened, Andy? Why I moved everybody here? What's, what's going on? And say, well, you know, we're going to have to turn it red. And it's turning red. It's going to turn red.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now, I hate for the trite cliche Tom conversation, but what are your priorities? Obviously it's still conservative values, traditional values. Turn the state right around. But what is the priority as governor that you would like to implement sooner than later?

[Andy Biggs]

Well, the first thing is we still have to advance border security because we still have, we still have some issues. Right.

[Interviewer / Host]

Okay. Now wasn't Arizona the, the forefront of that issue when they tried to do it themselves under Obama.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. If you remember. Right. And I actually, actually was in the legislature and helped pass some of that legislation.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, it was your fault. Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

But actually, some of that legislation, the most important parts, made it through the Supreme Court, you know.

[Harry Cole]

Oh, okay.

[Andy Biggs]

And so it's still viable. The other thing, though, is this governor came in. What's the first thing she did? She said, we're going to get rid of the border security task force. Okay. So that's gone. That means that the border sheriffs and the counties working together stopped working together. Yeah, they're still talking, some of them. But the other thing she did, for instance, this was more symbolic than anything, is she tore down, Doug, former governor, Governor Ducey's container blockade that he had put up like a wall near the Cocopah Reservation.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's, of course, because walls don't work.

[Andy Biggs]

My favorite. There's a representative in San Diego. He says, andy, I don't understand why you like walls. And I said, well, why don't you like walls? He says, you know, people just go around. I said, give me an example. He says, well, you know, that wall in San Diego, it goes about 65 miles from, from the ocean out. And what we find is people just go around the wall. I said, are you listening to what you're saying? They're going around the wall. So maybe we should extend the length of the wall. What do you think of that? Just looks at me. And that's. But that's what you're facing. But, but. So that's, that's priority one, you know, is, is border. Because you have to be safe. Doesn't matter how much money you have if you're not safe. You know, you can see crime mob bosses, cartel leaders in Mexico, they might have a lot of money, but there's a reason that they have all the guards that they have.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

And then the second thing is economic issues. We've got to turn this around. We're going to actually renew the American dream. In Arizona right now, if you go talk to young people, and Charlie was talking about this even last August, he's talking about young men especially. They voted for Trump because they want Trump to restore a home ownership, a home ownership society rather than a renter society.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

And, and that's. And in Arizona, housing prices are out of control. Yeah. And that's due to water management, due to land management, is due to lousy permitting policies of the, of some of the jurisdictions. Well, we can fix all that. And when we fix all that, prices in homes are going to come down. Wow. And, and that's, that's. And I want the economic issues to, to be great. We, we'll be, we'll be growing again.

[Interviewer / Host]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

Under this governor, we're shrinking. She's. What has she got from number four in job creation and number 47 in the country.

[Harry Cole]

Wow.

[Andy Biggs]

This is crazy. This is a state that's historically been great growing. We're pro growth, and she's trying to put the kibosh on all that.

[Interviewer / Host]

Now what I think, I don't want to call it political tactics, but you, you've obviously been in Congress and you understand that you need to build coalitions sometimes even with the other side of the aisle. How do you think that that kind of experience helps in trying to build a coalition to win the governorship?

[Andy Biggs]

Well, for one thing, I know I need every vote.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah.

[Andy Biggs]

Right.

[Interviewer / Host]

So like Jasmine Crockett doesn't need any Trump voters in Texas.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. So long, Jasmine. We barely knew ya. So, so here's the way I look at it, is I, I'm gonna tell people what I'm gonna do and then I'm gonna do it. And that's my, that's my record. And, and also there's a reason that people like Katie Hobbs gave me a standing ovation when I was the Senate president in Arizona, because I kept her informed. I let them have their say. I let them have their. If we could work with you, we'll work with you. If not, we'll let you have your say and then we'll do what we need to do. But the bottom line is I need every vote. I'm going to get every vote that we possibly can. And, you know, we're going to get, with the help of Turning Point and other organizations in Arizona, we're going to turn up that vote. And like I said, we have a half a million vote advantage. If we turn out our vote like Turning point turned out 315,000 in 2024, we will win. Going away. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

One of the things that I think is interesting when people in certain legislative branches, whether it be state or federal, when they decide to run for a higher office, they kind of hit the snooze button on their actual job. You've been doing that at all. I imagine you're pretty still active in Congress despite also having to run for the governorship.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, I like to think of myself as overactive. I mean, we just, we introduced more bills. Like on the one big beautiful bill, I was involved with groups that were meeting with the president to try to hammer out stuff on the. On this. These healthcare stuff. I get invited. Every. Every group gets several people invited. The speaker, he brings me in. I'm really, really invited. I'm the chairman of a committee subcommittee school, and we just had a hearing this week, and we have hearings lined up going forward, and it's. You can't sleepwalk through Congress. You shouldn't. Anyway, you could.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's the problem is you can.

[Andy Biggs]

You can. That's exact. I shouldn't have said that, because I know people who are. They're sleepwalking through Congress. But. But we're trying to. I'm trying to stay in. My. My staff is. I've got them so busy.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, I. I believe it.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. And I gave one talk to the. To my legislative director yesterday, and I said, okay, I know. I know this is not in your area, but we need to do a bill to actually repeal every federal education mandate as soon as the Department of Education goes away. Because no one else is thinking about that.

[Interviewer / Host]

Oh, yeah, well, that would. Necessity. Yeah. Something has to happen.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah. You got to get rid of those mandates. Otherwise the mandates are here, and nobody's

[Interviewer / Host]

there to enact it or enforce it or do anything about it.

[Andy Biggs]

But. But it'll be enforced by civil legislation and litigation. That's what will happen. So that's why you have to eliminate those. Yeah. And I've mentioned this to the. The secretary before, but I mean, like, let me give you an example. I met with. With Energy Secretary Chris Wright this. This week for an hour on issues in Arizona and the West. I met with administrator for the epa, Lee Zeldin, to go over more issues and ask him about some specific issues for Arizona and also in the West. I mean, you can't just sit down. It's not my nature. I mean, I would like to. I mean, I like to sit down and just pick up my guitar and start playing. But we can't do that. Yeah. Can't do that.

[Interviewer / Host]

We got to wrap up here. But one request that I would have.

[Harry Cole]

Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

As a Californian, an outsider to Arizona. Prescott. Can we change the pronunciation to how it's spelled?

[Andy Biggs]

What do you want to call it?

[Interviewer / Host]

Prescott.

[Harry Cole]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's phonetically how it looks. It's been bugging me since.

[Andy Biggs]

Okay, so here's the deal. I grew up south of the Gila, down in Tucson, and everybody I knew called it Prescott, like you.

[Harry Cole]

That's what I.

[Interviewer / Host]

That's what. That's what I call it.

[Andy Biggs]

When I. When I got up here, north of the Gila, they call it Prescott. And I'm like, okay, then I'm gonna go with what the Prescott natives call it, and it's Prescott.

[Interviewer / Host]

So I think, as governor, your first action should be an executive order to rename Prescott to Prescott by not even changing any letters. You just. You just phonetically change it.

[Andy Biggs]

You realize that was one of our first territorial capitals in Prescott or Prescott.

[Interviewer / Host]

Don't lose those votes there.

[Andy Biggs]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's. I mean, as far as things go, there are. That's a serious issue that you raise, of course, but we. We'll. We'll give it every consideration it deserves. I want you to know that. Perfect.

[Interviewer / Host]

We're.

[Andy Biggs]

We're thinking of you, man.

[Interviewer / Host]

Thank you. You're thinking of Californians. Congressman, thank you so much. And best of luck. Hopefully we'll be seeing governor around this time next year.

[Harry Cole]

Thank you so much.

[Andy Biggs]

Good to be with you. Have a merry Christmas, man.

[Interviewer / Host]

Likewise.

[Harry Cole]

Merry Christmas. Yeah.

[Interviewer / Host]

Thank you.

[Harry Cole]

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