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Good evening and welcome into Turning Point tonight, where together we are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. I will be completely open and transparent with you. We're not entirely sure how to move forward just yet. At the end of last week, we kind of thought, well, let's get back into the news of the day. But it didn't sit right with us this morning when we were kind of plotting out the show, especially with Vice President Vance hosting Charlie's show and, you know, all of the emotion that came with that. So we're going to continue talking to our friends and the Turning Point family about Charlie, what they meant, what he meant to them. We'll talk to Monica Page about the direction of the organization, especially after Erica Kirk's moving speech on Friday, and as well Steven Davis, who is a Turning Point USA contributor. But right now, I want to get to a show favorite. Savannah Hernandez, Frontlines reporter and TPUSA contributor. Savannah was I. Well, I don't want to get too into the weeds too quickly, but Savannah, I want to open the floor up to you. You know, your relationship with Charlie, what that looked like from a work environment on a personal level and you know, what, what he meant to you overall as a reporter and someone who does work as important as you do.
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Well, first off, thank you so much for having me, Joe Bob, this is actually the first time that I'm speaking on a show about Charlie since everything has happened. I was actually in Europe covering the migrant crisis for Frontlines TP USA when we got the news. And you know this has been such a difficult week for all of us, but honestly, I feel like I've just been so. I've been focusing on how impactful Charlie's life has been on so many people. I put a video out on my ex last week when everything was very fresh. And I just stated that I think that Charlie's one life saved millions of us. I think that the world that the Lord knew, that the world was so dark and depressing, and so many of us were really struggling even to hear him in the midst of all the darkness. And Charlie was just such a light, and losing him just made so many of us run straight back to the Lord. So I just want to start with that, that Charlie was so impactful, his legacy was so impactful that even in his death, he's still working. Even now, his legacy is still so powerful. So thank you, Charlie, for that. Regarding what he meant to me personally, he was a great mentor. I wouldn't be where I am today. My voice would be, you know, it wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for Charlie Kirk. If it wasn't for TP usa, Charlie would get me on his show as, you know, a reporter. I've been with Turning Point for three years at this point, and they have sent me from the west coast to the east coast of the country to report on everything. And Charlie was just one of the most supportive people you could ever meet in your life. And he had a great way of making everybody feel so special. So, you know, I just personally want to honor Charlie's legacy by continuing to push that attitude. You know, he talked so much about being a happy warrior, and this is such a dark time for so many of us. But I know that Charlie wouldn't want us to be sad. I know he wouldn't want us to despair. I know he would want us to keep moving forward even more forcefully than we were before, even more positively than we were before, and continue his work, continue his legacy. So, you know, he was just. He was a great inspiration. He was a great mentor. He was a great person. I put up a. Sorry to ramble on here, but I put a photo up of Charlie and I last week, and it was from Mar A Lago last year after President Trump got elected. And Charlie had seen me, you know, how we would see him beforehand and we would kind of have our pow wow with Turning Point and everyone before all the donors came in and he saw me in passing, he said hello. And during the donor dinner, he kind of shouts out because during the end of the year, he talks about all of the accomplishments that Turning Point made. And it's kind of crazy, too, Joe Bob, because I think a lot of people think that Turning Point is just the college chapters. They don't realize that we have high school chapters, that we have curriculum for kids, that we have Turning Point faith, that we have the contributor program, that we have frontlines, tpusa. And then on top of all of that, Charlie was working with the admin. He is reaching out to people personally. He was just such a force despite all of that. He saw me in passing, and then as he's speaking to the donors, he shouted out my work to all of them. And that was just. It meant so much to me. It means so much even more now. And I feel like that's just a testament to who he was at the end of the year, after working his butt off and putting in 158,000%. He was shouting out us. He was shouting out, you know, the regular Americans every single day. He was shouting out the high school chapter leaders, the college chapter leaders. He was never, ever proud in anything that he did. He was so humble, and he was always shouting out somebody else. So we lost a great American hero.
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You know, Savannah, you. To kind of expand on something that you had mentioned. There were so many different facets that I feel like people don't quite understand. Yes, he's known for going on college campuses, and, yeah, there's the action side and then there's the high school. But then when you go layer after layer after layer, it's. It's incomprehensible to go, holy cow, this guy was doing all of that in your specific field. There is a desperate need for more reporting power on the conservative side of the aisle. The left has all the reporting power. They've got, you know, your big newspaper outlets. You got the New York Times, the Washington Post. You've got all of the broadcast networks that all have extreme reporting power. We don't. We just don't have that to the extent that they do. Charlie was adamant that we build that part of the conservative movement up. You were an integral part of that. Can you kind of speak to the broader sense of why on the ground journalism is so important and why Charlie thought that it was important enough to put a huge amount of effort behind not only yourself, but the broader frontlines team over at tpusa?
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Absolutely. I think that the media has played a huge role in getting the nation to the devastating place that it is today. They have been pivotal in pushing a lot of the rhetoric, the misinformation, or even just hiding the truth about on the ground news stories. And it is independent journalists, it's journalists at Turning Point USA and Frontlines that have been again supported by Charlie Craig and Turning Point USA that have been directly able to combat and fight with a multi billion dollar media industry. I don't think people realize right what we're up against. I don't think people realize the power of the independent media and how important it was that Charlie, you know, fought back against this and utilized his platform to, to push out independent voices. We have a multi billion dollar media industry, we have the Hollywood industry, the entertainment, like every single industry compromised. And so being out on the ground and being able to show the bare minimum truth of what's going on, you know, how our politicians are responding to things on the ground. If you know, these protests during BLM were really fiery, but mostly peaceful. We were able to tell the truth. Such a large capacity and I think even the revival of what's going on on college campuses is something that was so important to highlight as well. Because for so long it felt like the left wing was winning. For so long it felt like we were fighting this uphill battle. But because of the independent media, because of Turning Point usa, because of everybody who's been boots on the ground, we've been able to see the complete 180 this country has taken in terms of a want for truth, a want for light, a want for, you know, just a complete pushback of the political narratives that were being shoved in our faces every single day that we just knew were not true.
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Yeah, it's, it is unbelievable the undertaking that again, one guy had. And again, I don't want to sound repetitive because we've been talking about this for the last several days, but it truly is just, lack of a better word, unbelievable. You can't, you can't really fathom that one person can get all of that stuff done, especially in such a short amount of, of years, in 31 years old. Savannah, you mentioned behind the scenes, right when we'd have me and you would have these, these small, close knit meetings before we go out to these big events. And in so many ways we'd almost feel shocked what he was asking us to do there, there would be times specifically at Mar a Lago, you mentioned there's, there's meetings that the contributors all had beforehand, like, hey, this is what the event is, this is what we're going into. Here's our roles. By the way, we're giving you all microphones. And we've talked specifically with so many of our contributors about the trust they had in other people to do all the things that he just physically couldn't do. What. What did that trust feel like to you? Because obviously, you know, you've got a platform, and some people who have those platforms feel kind of leashed, whereas Charlie's, hey, whatever's got going on, say it, do it. I trust you. I have confidence in you. What does that mean? What does that mean to you as a journalist, as a reporter, in your line of work?
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You know, it's incredible. Not many people, actually, very, very few people in the media industry are allowed to truly just state how they feel, have a voice, you know, don't have somebody lording over them, saying, why are you saying this? Why are you saying that? What are you reporting on? Charlie gave us so much freedom, and it was such a beautiful thing. I mean, every single day, he lived out the ideals that he was preaching. And what you see, what you saw on camera was what you got. Whether that was very serious, focused Charlie, whether that was fun Charlie. I mean, he was so focused, so, you know, driven. And again, he trusted so many of us. And what I keep hearing from so many people time and time again is that Charlie didn't look down on the youth. Right? He didn't look at you and say, I don't know, you're kind of new to the organization. I don't know if I trust you. Oh, I don't know. You're kind of young. Maybe we should have somebody vet you. Or maybe we're going to give you some talking points to help coach you through what to say. No. He fully, 100% believed in anybody who believed in America, Anybody who was willing to fight for our freedoms, for our rights. He believed in them wholeheartedly. And I think that it was that trust that inspired so many of us to. To be our boldest, most brave selves. I'm getting emotional, Joe Bob. Like, Charlie was just so incredible, and I feel like he just sparked an entire movement. I mean, I just feel like he wasn't even a man. He was a movement, right? And that movement will never die. And, yeah, I just. All I can say is, like, we lost a great American hero. And I hope and I challenge every single person who does feel the despair and the sadness and the emptiness to live their lives for Charlie. Because Charlie modeled Christ so well. And the best way you could honor his legacy is my modeling Christ for Charlie.
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Savannah, in the last couple minutes, Here, you know, I hate to take you out of your, well, one emotional state and possibly put you into the next. How fired up are you at this point? Because I. We've talked to. Every single person is ready to run through a brick wall at this point on the. On the warpath, Rhetorically speaking, by the way, in case Media Matters chops this up and say they're promoting war. No rhetorical warpath. How fired up are you?
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Very fired up, Joe Bob. More fired up than I've ever been. To continue Charlie's legacy. You know, Erica's speech was perfect.
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She was the strong leader that we all needed to hear from last week. And the fact that she got up in front of the nation and she showed that strength, she showed the true power of God and what he can do and how he can work in people was incredible. And that was a beautiful gift that she gave to this entire nation. I am so fired up. To continue Charlie's legacy. And like Erica said, the left wing has no idea what they unleashed. They have no idea, not only on the United States of America, but the entire world. Because if they thought that Charlie was going to be silenced, if they thought that they were going to scare us into silence, well, guess what? We're going to get 100 times louder. We are going to be your worst nightmare in the best way, Meaning that we're going to be on every single college campus turning everybody conservative and continuing Charlie's legacy, continuing his voice and making sure that everybody is fully aware of exactly what's going on in college campuses, exposing the media, exposing the evil in society and, you know, completely making sure that we are being the good stewards that Charlie would want us to be.
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Yeah. Amen. I'm. Yeah, it's again, in a tragic, tragic situation. There is hope that, you know, we're going to continue to prevail like Charlie would have wanted. Savannah Hernandez, Frontlines reporter, TPUSA contributor, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you taking the time.
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Thanks, Joe Bob.
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Like I said, guys, it is. I don't. There's no template for this. There's no roadmap. We're trying to figure out how to handle this as a show in terms of getting back to the news of the day like we had been doing. But I, as, I'm, as we're doing this, you know, it feels like it'd be a slow transition. Coming up, we are going to talk to a couple more Turning Point contributors and get their thoughts on. On the various different intricacies that Charlie had not only in their life, but in their specific roles in the movement as well as a little bit of news ish of the day, if you want to call it that. The left in response over the weekend was disgusting. And we'll play some of those videos for you, not to get you riled up, but to show everybody people's true colors and how they are acting. Learning about the death of again, Charlie Kirk. Don't go away. We'll be right back after the break.
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Welcome back to Turning Point tonight where we are still charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, you can email anytime you want. Tptpusa.com it has been honestly amazing and cathartic to read a lot of your emails of the memories that you have of Charlie, what he said that influenced your life. And anything you've got, thoughts wise regarding Charlie Kirk can be sent to tpt@tpusa.com as we always do, let's check in with White House correspondent for Turning Point, Monica Page at the White House. Monica, there's a lot of stuff to go over. I also, you know, we haven't really talked at length about, you know, Charlie's impact on you, specifically in young women as a whole. But first, let's get off with the President. I also have some, well, some headlines or some thoughts that I've seen from live media that are just ridiculous. But what did the president say over the weekend regarding Charlie and the horrible tragedy last week?
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Yeah, well, the president, of course, as always, has been really hurt by the events that unfolded in recent days and of course still finding out more information as this investigation is ongoing into what exactly happened. Who exactly is involved in this? Was there more than one person involved in this? And of course, the president has been standing by Erica, Charlie's wife and family side. He is very much looking forward to traveling to Arizona this upcoming Sunday to honor Charlie's life. And, you know, you can tell by the way the President speaks about Charlie that this really hit home for him. And, you know, you hear it not only from the president, but also members of this administration. Stephen Miller getting choked up on Charlie Kirk show this afternoon, hosted by Vice President J.D. vance. And J.D. vance did a fantastic job, but you could hear it in his voice. Charlie left a lasting impact not only on just the everyday person, but also real, real powerful members of this administration. No matter who you were, your life has been impacted by Charlie Kirk in one way or another. And I think it's a very powerful message. And it feels, feels almost like a sense of calm to know that this administration kind of has your back and has our back as a turning point USA family.
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Yeah, Monica, you know, I hate to take this, you know, dark, I guess, but I do want your perspective as someone who's around the president. This was a headline in so many other, so many media outlets on the left. Specifically, this is from the Daily Beast. Trump snubs Kennedy Center's Charlie Kirk vigil after weekend at golf club, effectively saying Trump decided to play golf instead of go going to the Charlie Kirk vigil. My thoughts immediately are, I don't think people quite understand how, I don't want to say difficult, but how expansive the president going anywhere is. President Trump obviously is going to the funeral, but attending a vigil at the Kennedy center would have made it way more difficult for so many more people to go there. And in a way, it would seem, you know, gracious that the president didn't go to that so that more people again can have more access again. As somebody who's been around the president, what does President Trump. But I mean, just really any president going somewhere, how does that impact the people there? Not necessarily emotionally, but just from a logistics and a security standpoint. Because I read that headline and I go, you idiots, you have no idea how difficult that is to move the president and what kind of effect that has on the people that actually want to go and celebrate the life of Charlie.
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Well, two points here, job that you raise. One is these are the same reporters that will ask about anything other than Charlie Kirk. You will ask about other countries instead of our own American people. They just ask anything that just doesn't have to do with the American people. The second point is that there hasn't been a day that's gone by where the President hasn't spoken about Charlie Kirk. No matter where he is, he always has stopped to take the time to take the questions about Charlie Kirk and honor Charlie and bring up his own personal memories of Charlie. And I think that there's something to be said about that. From a logistical standpoint, it's incredibly difficult. Difficult to have a president go anywhere without completely clearing out the place. You got to do multiple sweeps, which means Secret Service police have to come in and have bomb sniffing dogs, you know, go through the entire event, go through everybody's bags. It would have been a logistical disaster. And, you know, you're right when you say that. I think really the President wanted everybody and anybody to come out to support Charlie without there having to be a whole big thing where some people got to wait outside. You know, you get doors open at this time, but you have to get here at hours before. But the fact that the President is going this Sunday to the official tribute, which is exactly what Erica and his family wanted, speaks volumes.
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Yeah, I think they're just trying to nitpick anything of, well, this is. President Trump is bad. It's, it's honestly disgusting. I've like tempering it down because, you know, I don't want to, I don't want to get too angry here, but.
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Joe Bob, true colors are released like when things like this happen. So I think we all need to pay attention to how the mainstream media has been covering this and the comments that have been made on social media.
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Oh, yeah, and we will get to that soon. We kind of held off on talking about that last week, but I think now we are, we are ripe to fire away at some of these, these awful and disgusting comments. Back to the positive. Monica, you have mentioned before and talked about your personal experience with Charlie as well as his impact on young women everywhere. I think there's a, it would be, it would be hilarious if it weren't so disgusting a trope being thrown around. Charlie's a misogynist, which is hilariously so far from the truth. You almost want to laugh if it didn't make you so angry. Can you talk about one, your experience, but also his impact on young women around the country.
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I'll be briefly personal here. I did not leave, lead a life of good morals in my early 20s. I wasn't a good person. I feel like, you know, I was in college. I wasn't really paying attention to church, going to church or, you know, partying. That was the, that was my main kind of worry in college was was I going out enough? Etc. It wasn't until that I started listening to Charlie that he completely changed my life and I think a lot of women everywhere kind of feel that connection to Charlie in a sense of, you know, Charlie kind of softened me. He brought me into my femininity. He made it seem like I can have a job, but it's also even more important to have the job of being a mother and a wife. And that was always something that kind of not scared me, but always made me feel like, oh, like, you know, what does that look like? You know, I'm unsure if I could do both. But the most fulfilling and the most rewarding thing that I can do as a woman that I'm made for is to be a wife and a mother. And Charlie made that attractive to me and attractive to so many other women who see that lifestyle as oppressive to be at home with the kids and be a wife. And I'm so grateful that I'm no longer kind of living that life, partying. And I'm now more living my life of. I'm so happy to be a wife. I cannot wait to be a mother. And even though I've been with Turning Point for a short 10 months, if you can believe that, Charlie always wanted me to be part of what he was doing. We know he came here to the White House. He made sure to stop by and say hello. He wanted me on his show when I first got here on behalf of Turning Point usa. And what I think is also incredible is that I was supposed to go with him. He wanted me there in about a week and a half to go to Virginia Tech with him onto that College campus on September 24th. And unfortunately, I don't see that happening. But he wanted me to be part of it. He saw my value. He was a cheerleader for me. He was a cheerleader for everybody. And I don't think there'll be anybody else like him ever. You can just see how many people were gravitating towards him, how he made people feel special. No matter who you were, he always made you feel special. And I think that that's a really amazing thing.
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You know, Monica, I think if I were to be completely candid, you know, from Wednesday afternoon up until Friday, yes, you had this sense of, we're going to keep going, we're going to keep moving. But there's also this kind of ambiguity of, like, what's going to happen? Is this going to go off course? How is this going to affect, you know, everybody in the Turning Point unit? And then on Friday night, when Erica was delivering her remarks, all of that, any. Any sort of doubt, and I wouldn't necessarily even call it gout. Any of that ambiguity was just gone. Just, oh, it's. It. We're. We're gonna soldier on, and this is going to be bigger than it ever possibly could have been dreamt of. That's how I saw it. Your. I would love your perspective, you know, of Erica right now as a wife yourself, you know, as a woman who's in this conservative movement. What did you. What did you think of her? Her speech, her remarks, and her steadfastness to what Charlie fought so hard to continue.
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It's incredibly inspiring. I mean, not only does Erica every day make me want to be a better wife to my husband, just seeing her overall composure and seeing such strength in such a really difficult time. There was nobody, I think, that loved Charlie more than she did. And to see her stand tall, speak the truth, and say, we're not going anywhere, that was powerful. That made me, Joe Bob, want to run through a brick wall and say, I am not going anywhere for this organization. I am so ready to take on more than I can chew. I reached out to my college campus. I went to Marist College, now Marist University. I actually reached out to the Marist Republicans, and I said, hey, if you guys need help, let me know. I am all for this. If you need me to come to upstate New York, we will do this, because that's just how I feel now. And God bless Erica and everything that she's been doing for her children, their children, his family, her family. You know, she's got a lot. She's got a lot on her plate right now, but I know that she can do it because she's Erica Kirk. And it's going to be amazing to watch her grow. Turning point even bigger than any of us could have ever imagined and truly live Charlie's legacy.
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Yeah, I. It's. Honest to God, on Friday, when I heard she was doing a statement, I was like, oh, my gosh, this. This feels soon. Not that, of course. I thought she wasn't ready for it. But then she. She again stood up there like a brick wall and delivered what I think was an eloquent response and encouragement to everyone out there in a world of cardi B's. Be an Erica Kirk.
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F
Well said.
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D
Yeah, that's. That's. That seems to be the perspective of everybody who watched that. On Friday, Monica Page. We'll continue checking in as the week goes on, although it's been difficult to cover news of the day when there's so much happening on this front. But I appreciate you taking the time and we'll talk to you soon.
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Thanks, Joe Pop. God bless.
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D
Thank you. We'll be right back. Turning Point tonight after the break. Don't go away. We'll see you after the break.
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Hey there. I'm Mary Kathryn Hamm.
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And I'm Carol Markowitz. We've been in political media for a.
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Long time, long enough to know that it's gotten, well, a little insane.
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That's why we started Normalely a podcast for people who are over the hysteria and just want clarity.
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We talk about the issues that actually matter to the country without panic, without yelling and with a healthy dose of humor.
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We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
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So if you're into common sense, sanity and some the of occasional sass, you're.
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Our kind of people.
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Catch new episodes of normally every Tuesday.
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And Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.
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D
Welcome back to Turning Point tonight, where together we are still charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, as always, you can email the show tptpusa.com if you have fond memories, well wishes for Charlie Kirk or the Kirk family more broadly, you can send them on over. It's been, it has been, it's been nice to read all of them again in a tragic time. It's, it is good to know that there are people out there and this is obvious that really, really cared about Charlie Kirk. So tpt if you feel inclined or compelled to send any of your thoughts, memories, wishes, I wish we get back to more of them. We'll read some more, continue to read some more as the show goes on. But right now we want to talk to longtime Turning Point contributor Stephen Davis, also known as Maga Hulk, also known as many other online monikers. Stephen Davis was there when I got there. He's been, he's been around for as long as anybody knew Charlie. Well, Stephen, I'll open the floor up to you. Thanks for being here. And you know, you know, what are, what's, what's going through your head? Anything that you want to say?
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Yeah, well, first of all, thank you for having me on. I just, I mean, this is, obviously, we're all still in shock when it comes to this situation. This is absolutely ridiculous. It's a senseless murder when it comes to one of our foremost leaders, an inspirational man, a moral man who was all about his Lord and savior, Jesus Christ. I mean, this is the type of person that would, you know, stood on the forefront of this movement and promoted Americanism patriotism, dedicated his life to study, dedicated his life to his nation and to the youth of this nation and to his wife and to his kids. And we forget that this man is not just a leader, but he's a leader of his family. This is unbelievable. You don't take a father, you don't take a husband, you don't do these egregious things just to prove a political point. It's absolutely egregious. We as a country need to wake up, need to come back together, because at the end of the day, this is what Charlie would have wanted. So we need to come together as a country, reunify as the United States of America, not the divided, but the United States of America, and move on towards the future.
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You know, Stephen, you mentioned something that I, I think I've mentioned a couple times before that I, I think is just a really interesting dynamic in the. In the movement, broadly. He said, you know, moral guy, a man of character, a guy who's devoted to his wife, which is all true. And I think we both understood. Well, you didn't have to worry about any sort of, like, scandal coming out with Charlie. You didn't have to worry about, oh, hey, you know, you were gonna find out something about him that he was doing in his personal life that would not be becoming of the guy he said he was. That that was all just, like, not a concern, which I think allowed us to be more proactive in calling out other people on the other side specifically, because there was never any fear of, like, okay, well, this is going to look hypocritical if this comes out, or, or people find out about this because there just wasn't anything there? I don't know. Did it make you feel like you could say more because of that? And, and, you know, what kind of comfort did that give you? Knowing, again, there was. You're not going to have to be faced with any sort of, like, calls of hypocrisy or anything like that because Charlie was such a. Just a. A good dude, for lack of a better term.
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Yeah, I mean, that's the name of the game. And when you look at this, this political landscape, it's all wrought with all kinds of scandal, all kinds of foolishness, all kinds of double standards and hypocrisy. And this is something he also talked about quite often, is the fact that he said that if the left didn't have any double standards, they would have no standards at all. But when it came to him, he made sure he walked what he taught he did exactly what he said he was going to do. He lived the way the Bible called him to do. He did the things that he out of us. And at the end of the day, that emboldens us to be able to go out there and stand as he did because he is a leader. And as a leader, people are looking to your example. And if you have a life that's you living in such a way that's above reproach, you can better believe it empowers everyone else to do the exact same thing. So it makes us all raise our game. I'm glad that he lived such a life and we're going to continue to uphold that legacy.
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Yeah, I know. That's like a sinking or a rising tide lifts all ships. It was. It was easy to be better around a guy who was holding himself to the highest possible standard. You know, Stephen, I hate to bring this up, but being a black guy, this is obviously one of these. These terms that are floating around. And we will play a clip later on in the show that is going to infuriate you. And I don't mean to do that specifically, not you specifically, Steven, our audience, but it's. It just. It makes a declarative statement. This guy was racist. What do you have to say to the. To the people that are saying that right now? And what's your message to the broader movement or broader country as a whole that for some reason thinks that?
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Well, first and foremost, when I became In Scots and Turning Point usa, I was on the Charlie Kirk show, and we talked about pretty much extensively about the black community, almost exclusively about the black community. We talked about the black community and the problems within the black community and how to fix them, because he wanted to help his fellow man. That's the type of man he was. That was the type of heart that he had. And when TPUSA got blexit, got a hold of blexit, that's exactly what he did. He poured resources into this organization for the education and the betterment of the black community, which resounds to the best betterment of the entire country. So he had a heart for the black community at a heart for those. I mean, the amount of resources this man wanted to focus on and pour into Blexin to be able to help the black community is absolutely astounding. So I'm so sick and tired of these narratives that because this man spoke truth, because the man said the hard things that everyone else shirts away from, because this man actually spoke to the heart of issues and not placate to identity politics and not bend the knee and bow down to such individuals. He is now labeled a pariah, now labeled the racist. And all the, all the different foes that they try to label and put on to this man is absolutely egregious. I'm sick and tired of it. And it's time for us to stand up for this man who stood for.
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Us, all of the different phobes. I'm gonna start using that phobia, the irrational fear. Clearly the guy have a. Not only irrational fear, just not really much fear in general in, in Charlie. You know, I hate to put you on the spot here, Steven. And one of the fun things, not fun things, but, you know, one of the consoling things is sharing stories about Charlie. I, we talked about last week, remarked on how good he got at flicking those hats out of the air because when he first started doing the hats, you know, those things are hard to throw. And I, you know, think that it's easy. It's not, it's not like a Frisbee. They've got this like certain curvature to them, so you've got to have the appropriate wrist flick. And I thought, I don't know. One of, one of the things that I remembered it was just how progressively better he got at a thing that did not matter to get better at. That's just how he said, I'm going to perfect this insignificant, inconsequential thing. And that's just the kind of guy he was. Do you have any, any stories of behind the scenes that share with our viewers of. Of the good times with Charlie?
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Absolutely. First of all, yes, that that hat frisbee tossing has gotten progressively better. And I must say it says, thank God it did. You know, he was able to let those things sail. But, you know, Absolutely. I mean, when it comes to Charlie Kirk, we were, especially as a part of Campus Crashers being Anthony. Anthony Watson, another contributor with Turning Point usa. We were, you know, at a lot of his stops and, you know, the, you know, back and forth we would have with Charlie was absolutely fantastic, especially when he would arrive on the scene. Him being able to do his, you know, prove me wrongs out there and in the same time, me and Anthony Watson will be doing our own prove me wrongs within the crowd, be able to engage with the individuals who weren't able to get in line and speak to Charlie was absolutely phenomenal. I love the fact that he facilitated that also. I remember he set me on my course when, especially when it came to the black community and the mission that I have. He gave me a book called Cynical Theories. Right. By Jameson Plenty. Yes, indeed. And Dr. James Lindsay and Helen Plucklow. He gave me this book. He said, I want you to know this, I want you to learn this, I want you to be a foremost authority on critical race theory. And I said, sir, yes, sir. And since then I've been ensconcing myself into critical race theory, debunking it. And that's what I do when I go to college campuses, talk about the negative effects of critical race theory and what has happened on our country and our social cohesion as a country and especially within the black community to turn us into the vitriolic, angry agitation group that we become. So to see this man give us, you know, he gave us missions, and it's incumbent on all of us to perfect and carry out these missions and complete them to their success.
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Yeah, and you know, we've talked about this endlessly too. One of his main goals was building other people up. Obviously, you know, you, you were one of those. I think myself is one of those. Turned out he got so much confidence in you, you got a whole documentary series, race war, Go check it out. On Rumble, which again, was fantastic, but also like a testament to, he understands he can't do it all himself and would constantly pour into people and allow them to, you know, fill any of the gaps that he couldn't get to. So, yeah, with that, you know, we'll, we'll be missed greatly. But don't worry, we, we got it from here. Stephen Davis, Turning Point contributor, thanks so much for taking the time, man. Really appreciate it.
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Thank you for having me.
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Thank you. Remember, you can always email the show tptpusa.com if you've got any memories, thoughts, well wishes for Charlie or the Kirk family, broadly. TPTPUSA.com I said we're going to get to some, some, some interesting video. It may upset you. It infuriated me, but, but trust me, we're gonna come out winning on the other side. That'll be right after the break. Don't go away. We'll be right back.
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Welcome back to Turning Point. Tonight, we're together. We are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, tpt@tpusa.com if you'd like to send any emails in your memory of Charlie Kerr well wishes to Charlie the Kirk family tptpusa.com I know several of you are going to email after we tell you about this because it is abhorrent, it is disgusting, and there is a way that we should deal with it and a way that Charlie would have wanted us to deal with it. Now, I'm not going to show you this solely for the purpose of making you angry. It's gonna make you angry and it's gonna make you upset. But it's something that needs to be seen and it's something that unfortunately is all too prevalent in the modern American extreme leftist culture. This, however, is an example of an individual with a place of prominence. He's the pastor of a church. Now, I use the air quotes to say pastor because after you watch this video, I'm not entirely sure that you would think he's deserving of that title. Glenn, let's go ahead and play clip one. But I am going to cut it off at a certain point, so go ahead and watch this. And again, this is going to make you upset and make you angry, but there is stuff to talk about it. Check this out.
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For a man who was a proud racist and spent his entire life sowing.
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Seeds of division and hatred into this land, tell me that I ought to.
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Have compassion for the death of a man who never showed compassion or respect for my life. Y', all, there's nowhere in Bible we.
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Are told to honor evil. All right, go ahead and cut it off there. That is absolutely enough of this clown. That is Dr. Reverend and again, I use those air quotes because in so many ways I don't actually think he probably has the degrees that he claims he has on the Internet, as is so often the case with people as vitriolic as this poor individual, Pastor Howard, John Wesley and I wanted to show you this picture because this is the screensaver, the front page of their church's Alfred Street's website, in which he looks so holy and humble of, oh, look at, look at me. I Am just this gracious man who's doing the Lord's work. Now, he could respond to every one of his accusations. I think they're all ridiculous enough to where there really isn't any need to respond. He said this avowed racist and then called him evil. Literally said evil. I don't even think we need to make an argument here. There's really no sense in arguing against something that is this idiotic and this stupid. What it actually is is him, an egotistical, narcissistic maniac, trying to gain attention to himself. Now, I just did a little bit of Googling. I don't even call it research. And, well, this Guy had about 90,000 Instagram followers before this, this weekend, after this. At the time that we were recording this program, I'm not even sure where it's going to be. At the time that this airs, he's got about 110,000. So he got 20,000 new Instagram followers. And I recognize that doesn't mean everything, but it is indicative of a person trying to gain success by saying the most awful thing they possibly could in order to garner themselves attention. This is something that a narcissist would do, which is why we don't even need to necessarily even make arguments against him. And here is what I think we should actually do. We should pity him. We should show pity for someone like this that harbors so much hatred in their heart, they feel necessary that it is incumbent of them to tell their entire church, all of their parishioners, that this man, Charlie Kirk, was evil and a racist, among many other things that he said. It's disgusting and it's vile and is not even worth our time arguing against. But in honor of Charlie and doing exactly what I think he would want us to do, well, there's a place on this pastor's website that invites him. That could invite him to be a guest on a media appearance. Again, something that pastors generally have on the front of their website is, hey, book my pastor on tv. Well, we reached out. We will keep you up to date on whether or not Pastor Howard John Wesley of Alfred Street Church gets back to us. My guess is that he won't. But if he does, in the spirit of Charlie, we will have him on and we will be in good faith. Now, we're not gonna let him go on the things that he said, and we are especially not going to give him a platform to spout more hate. But I would love to see him defend his position and claim that he is a loving representative of A caring and loving God with what he just said at his church. Again, there's no sense in really even take, take him down. I'm done seeing him. There's no sense in arguing against this sort of thing. You don't negotiate with evil. And I recognize there's going to be some, you know, left wing rag that'll take this and say, well, you just called him evil, but he called Charlie. No, What I'm saying is this. The irony of somebody who says, hey, this is a racial thing tends to mean that they're the racist. Somebody who says, well, this person is evil without any concrete evidence usually means that that person themselves are evil. There's really no reason to argue against clowns like this. Instead, we should again, pity them. Pity the lack of intelligence, pity the lack of compassion, and pity the lack of love and character that this man carries around in his heart. Again, Dr. Pastor, Reverend Howard, John Wesley, you're more than welcome to come on this show and state your case. It will not be nice and friendly, but it will be respectful. And we look forward to hearing from you, which, again, I doubt that we will. Coming up next, J.D. vance, as you are all aware, hosted Charlie Kirk show today. We will play a clip from him regarding how we should respond to the evil vitriolic response to Charlie Kirk's murder from so many people on the radical extreme left. And again, we're being precise with our language. We're not saying all Democrats are all lefties because of course, there are several that were horrified by Charlie's assassination. We are again saying the extreme left, just like President Trump said, just like Charlie would say. And just like J.D. vance said, don't go away. We'll be right back after the break.
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We don't take ourselves too seriously, but we do take the truth seriously.
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Welcome back to Turning Point. Tonight, we're together. We are still charting the course of America's cultural comeback. I don't remind you again. TPTP USA.com if you have any thoughts about that pastor from the last segment, I don't know. Send your guesses in on whether or not he's going to get back to our team and come on the show and defend his horrific and horrible speech to a congregation full of supposed Christians who applauded that nastiness. See if he's going to come on the show. I get my my bet is no. But I'm curious to see what you think. Maybe he's enough of a narcissist to think that he can actually wiggle out of some of the things he said rhetorically. Again, we would love to see him do it on the show. TBT pusa.com love senior emails and also again, well wishes and memories of Charlie are always welcome again. TPTP USA.com so today, JD Vance, the Vice President of the United States, of which I'm sure you're all familiar, hosted Charlie's show and had lots of lots of very interesting things to say. But more specifically, what's been making the rounds is this clip. I know you've probably seen it many times on this network already, but it is again, true to the point where it's worth repeating again and again and again. How do you respond to individuals, depraved individuals, who are responding with such hatred in response to Charlie's death? Well, this is a good example. This is again Vice President J.D. vance on the Charlie Kirk Show. Watch this.
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There is no unity with people who scream at children over their parents politics. There is no unity with someone who lies about what Charlie Kirk said in order to excuse his murder. There is no unity with someone who harasses an innocent family the day after the father of that family lost a dear friend. There is no unity with the people who celebrate Charlie Kirk's assassination. And there is no unity with the people who fund these articles, who pay the salaries of these terrorist sympathizers, who argue that Charlie Kirk, a loving husband and father, deserved a shot to the neck because he spoke words with which they disagree.
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There is no compromise with evil. You must destroy it. That has been the sentiment of everybody on the conservative side of the aisle and even some people on the left side of the aisle. Bill, Bill Marsh specifically, just comes to mind when he roundly condemned any of the idiots out there celebrating. But the point that JD Is trying to make, how, in practical terms does that actually work? Well, give you a peek into my own household. My wife has followed the news. Obviously, I tell her about the things that I'm doing day to day. But, you know, just like any other wife, not exactly the most attuned to every single thing going on. And I know some of you wives out there who are watching this are. Or maybe it's that she's in a different stage of life. We've got a toddler, the house is busy all the time, we've got a newborn on the way here momentarily. But the basic, basically the bottom line, what I'm trying to reiterate is she doesn't follow the news all that often. But on Wednesday, something changed and I would argue that it's a change for the better. We have lots of friends, we have lots of liberal friends like I've mentioned on this show before. And so many of them sent well wishes and nice messages and condemned, and some of them did condemned the horrific reaction on people that they vote with on the liberal side of the aisle. But what this looks like practically, at least in my household is my wife decided I'm not going to tolerate this anymore. Now there's certain ways that you can get to people. Sometimes you need to have a relationship with someone in order to be able to bring them into the fold. And sometimes that actually works. There are several people that I can think of that we started off not agreeing on polit politics and nowadays they are just as much as radical right wing extremists as we are. There are success stories out there and sometimes time to cut people loose. What JD Vance was saying is there is no unifying, there is no compromise or with people that are too far gone from saving. I'm not saying they are too far gone from being saved, but from us as individuals. The relationship that exists between us is so damaged it is beyond repair. And at this point there's no point to continuing that relationship again. What it's looked like practically in my household is that my wife, who generally, as she's, you know, scrolling through social media would just kind of ignore some of the things that her friends who don't agree with her have said of. Yeah, it's just them, that's how they think about things. Well, she no longer can ignore them and I'm proud of her for doing that. She no longer can say, oh, that's, that's just them, they're just talking now. It is an immediate confrontation, albeit social media. So it's not as aggressive as it might be in real life or just flat out blocking people. There is a point where a person can only be redeemed by God. Or their relationship with Jesus, and we're just out of the picture now. That's not to say that the door is entirely closed, because it never is. Everybody can repent, and you should be able to forgive those people. But at this point in time, in so many cases, there is no need to have a relationship with someone not because they disagree with you politically, but because they glorify the assassination. They celebrate the murder of someone who, like J.D. vance, said said words they disagree with because that is Charlie's only crime. I'm not even calling it a crime. I'm just telling you the verbiage that they've used. That is his only crime, disagreeing with someone. And for that crime, he was murdered in cold blood. There is no unity with someone who celebrates that. There is no coming together with a group of people who thinks that is a good thing. And like the vice President said, you cannot unify with those folks. That's gonna do it for us here at Turning Point tonight. I have no idea when we will be getting back to the levity that we would take in the news of the day, but that time is not now. We will see you tomorrow, same time, same place. God bless America.
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