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Brianna Lyman
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Joe Bob
One of the things that I know Charlie would have absolutely wanted from myself and this show is to continue making fun of libs doing ridiculous things and saying ridiculous nonsense as if it were something profound. So we're going to continue doing that to honor Charlie continually. We'll continue talking about his story as it unfolds, the tragedy that happened Wednesday and the new information that keeps coming out, the insane takes that libs have against that. But we'll also get into some of the stories that Charlie was very passionate about, including immigration. We have some fantastically ridiculous clips of the governor of Illinois and some of the state senators there again to mock them in. In continuation of what Charlie loved to do. My name is Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in. Together we are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. This is Turning Point tonight. Now, I gotta remind you guys, you can still email the show every single day. I'm really hoping we have time at the end of the show to go through some of those emails because they've been fantastic to see so many people sending well wishes and Memories of Charlie. TPTP USA.com you can send anytime you want. We used to say, whether you agree with everything we say or you're wrong. TPTP USA.com and we'll still say that. But I think right now we're kind of focused on, on these memories and well wishes for Charlie and the Kirk family more broadly. But I did want to talk about this. Now, I know we haven't mentioned it the last couple days because there's been a bunch of things going on and the. Just various things that were happening kind of took precedent or priority over this. But on Sunday, I think, and I hope, one, that you went to church and two, that your pastor at some point, some point said something about Charlie's assassination. Now, there was a TP USA employee that I know well who posted on Facebook, I think it was Saturday, and he said, if your pastor doesn't mention the Charlie Kirk assassination, you don't go to a church. You go to a country club. Now, some people might think that sounds a little bit harsh, but the reality of it is this. Over the last couple days, I've talked to several people that I know that, that said, yeah, my, my church didn't say anything about that. And obviously I hit them with the response of, yeah, you might want to consider going to a different church. There have also been famous churches around the country that had no mention of Charlie's assassination. But here's why. I think this is so important that churches mention this because it doesn't actually matter about the politics. I mean, it can. Charlie was a fervent believer in Christ. He espoused the Bible everywhere he went. But that's really not even the point in this particular situation. The point here is that regardless of what you think of Charlie, regardless of what you think of his opinions, regardless of whether or not you like the guy or dislike the guy, that doesn't even matter. This is a massive, massive cultural pinpoint in US History of I've said this many times. I don't think anybody has been any event has been this saturated in the minds of the American populace probably since 9, 11, maybe since the Trump administration first took office in 2016. But overall, everyone in the country has been talking about this. It's been the forefront of their mind because Charlie was such a massive and influential figure. Now, all that is to say, say that if your church does not have any input on the biggest cultural story in decades, what is your church doing? The entire purpose of the church is to guide people and guide individuals and how they should interact with themselves, with their relationship with God and with the society that they exist in. If your church, for whatever political nonsense reason that you give some, says no, we're not going to touch this effectively, what you're doing is again, ignoring one of the biggest events in American history in the modern age. That is like going to church on the Sunday after 911 and the pastor not mentioning at it at all. It would be an insane thing to do regardless of the politics specifically because there is a massive cultural permutation, permeation of Charlie in the American mind. And to not even mention that is absurd and honestly malpractice, in my opinion. I recognize that is not everybody's church and I also recognize that the vast majority of churches, one, were much more full this weekend than they have been in the past. And two did actually mention something. My concern though is with the large amount of churches that still did not mention it. And it's not even about the politics. It's about the fact that your church is ignoring a political or, sorry, a cultural momentous turning point, if you will, that needs to be discussed regardless of how you feel about Charlie or his ideas. Now, that being said, you know who is not ignoring things regarding this is Marco Rubio. You probably, or maybe you've heard this as of, well, the last couple days. But you remember how Marco Rubio was revoking visas for students who were proud protesting for terrorist organizations in the Middle east and saying, yeah, you know, we actually don't need to have you here. Well, good news. According to several different outlets, Rubio said the State Department will not grant visas to those celebrating Kirk's death and will revoke visas for others for. For those doing so. In other words, we've now expanded from the terrorist supporters to. Well, in my opinion, they're still terrorist supporters who are celebrating Charlie's death. So I say, good on you, Marco Rubio. He also said, kind of furthering his point, if I invite someone to visit the United States of America as a student, as a tourist or whatever, then the standard should be held very, very high. Yeah, that should be the case, especially when you have the horrible situation of people overstaying those visas and now they just live here for some reason, and now we have to pay the taxpayer pay to get them out at the, at the, at the great detriment of people who want illegals to take over the country. If you recall the issue with Marco Rubio revoking visas from people in the past, some of the numbers. Just in case you're. You're interested in this, because I was fascinated by this. As of August, since January, when President Trump took office, over 6,000 student visas were revoked since President Trump took office. To which I say, awesome, good. Find more of the people that hate the country that they so desperately want to come into and get them out. And I also probably should remind you of the 55 million people in total that have visas in this country, to which I think when we all learned that massive number, we said, there are 55 million people in this country on visas. Why? What are we doing? The bottom line here is that, yes, if you are going to celebrate the death of any American, but specifically of Charlie, we don't want you go back to where you came from and stay there. This is not the place for you. We do not do that sort of thing. And this is probably a hot take. If we were able to do that with real citizens or actual citizens who were born in this country, not sure I would be opposed to that either. So there you go. What I definitely am opposed to is the media. And I, you know, hate to belabor this, but I also think we should all continue watching this sort of stuff. ABC had a reporter, Matt Gutman, on his show. You might have seen the clip already. It's been blowing up all over the Internet. But I want to get into the details of what this. I'm restraining myself from using some derogatory terms from what this guy said. About the text messages that were released from. From Charlie's alleged assassin. Play cut one, and we will discuss.
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David
The other thing that stood out to me, David, is those text messages. I don't know if we have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it. But also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate who was transitioning, calling him my love and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who the attorney said, not only jeopardize the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case.
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Joe Bob
What? Oh, yeah, the. The relationship that this insane person had with his trans boy girlfriend, whatever was touching and moving. Oh, yeah, I'm sure. I don't know. Jeffrey Dahmer had a moving relationship with his taxidermist. Like, what. What are we saying here now? People have been calling for the firing of that guy, Matt Gutman, and I probably would agree with that. Interestingly enough, did some. A minimal amount of digging to find out that he's actually been suspended before. Four for reporting things that were just factually wrong. In 2020, ABC suspended him after he reported that all four of Kobe Bryant's kids died with him on the helicopter. Just, I guess, shooting off his mouth with no information whatsoever. Um, but again, saying this is a very intimate text messages and it's very, very touching is absurd. I want to pull up some of those texts on the screen. If we've got those. This is what he was talking about, you know, and believe me, we debated and discussed whether or not to bring these up, because it's, again, sickening and disgusting. But effectively, you know, we don't need to read the entire thing. The shooter has confessed via these text messages. And in that confession, Matt Gutman said, you know, this is. This is just touching. You know, he did apologize. I don't want to not mention the fact that he has apologized. He did one of those standard. I deeply regret my words that I used, calling it touching. But at the same time, I'm not entirely sure how. While we can be forgiving of the individual, I'm not sure his employer should be forgiving of that, because there's another thing that people weren't talking about in this particular clip of him is where he said, well, the shooter jeopardized the life of Charlie. Do you know what jeopardized means? Jeopardized means definitionally to put someone in a situation of danger or to expose to danger or risk, I hate to say it, tragically did a little bit more than that. I think my new crusade is going to be language. Not policing language in terms of thought, but policing it in the sense of being precise and accurate. The shooter and his exchange messages with his trans boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever it was, is not touching. Oh, I killed a guy because I'm trying to protect you. Oh, how touching and beautiful. And the shooter also didn't jeopardize Charlie's life. He took it. I think Matt Gutman should probably be fired. Not because, well, I said some things that I regret, but apparently he's just a bad reporter. Language matters. That is going to be the thing that I'm going to harp on for the next, for the foreseeable future. Honestly, it matters. And when you are reckless with language, when you don't recognize the significance of what words actually mean and what they actually do, that is when bad things happen. When we stop talking and then when we conflate language that doesn't mean what you're trying to convey or at least what you should be trying to convey, that's when problems start. We got a lot more to catch up on. Again, like I mentioned, we're going to make fun of J.B. pritzker. I know, I know several of you are out there like, no, no, no, don't make fun of our Illinois governor. But you know, unfortunately he's put himself in a position where we have to make fun of him. That, that's. We're also going to talk to Brianna Lyman about several of the. The folks getting fired from their jobs, which, you know, such a shame. Oh darn. They've lost their jobs. And so much more. Coming up after the break. Don't.
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Brianna Lyman
Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and well, you're sweet and all, but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure, you met some of my dietary needs, but they've just got it all. So farewell. Oatmeal. So long, you strange soggy.
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Joe Bob
Break up with bland breakfast and taste AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with cage free eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. AM PM Too much. Good stuff. Welcome back to Turning Point tonight where together we are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, you can email the show anytime you want. Tptpusa.com at some point, at some point, I promise we will get through some of the the massive list of emails we've gotten in people remembering Charlie and sending their well wishes. TPTP USA.com Also, if you have any other thoughts on anything we talk about on the show, the ap, ABC, crazy guy that they apparently employ as a reporter and also what your thoughts on this is. Like I mentioned in the beginning of the show, Charlie loved nothing more than would get together and make fun of libs doing silly and ridiculous things. And you have to never look any further than Chicago Governor J.B. pritzker, who's clearly running for president, is putting out various videos. This one was from Zither from yesterday or this morning. I can't really remember. It was on the, I don't know, the X feed. Celebrating Mexican Independence Day in Chicago. You know, because that makes sense. When is Portuguese Independence Day, Mr. Pritzker? Are you also going to celebrate that? How about Spanish Independence Day? And which Independence Day are we talking about? Pre civil War or after? Just, dude, come on, come on. Anyways, I wanted to play you this clip. It's a little bit long, but I think it's interesting on several different points. And I promise you we will not make fun of J.B. pritzker's weight. That is childish. And below us, play the clip.
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J.B. Pritzker
Hi everyone. Happy Mexican Independence Day. I'm here at Half Huevo as well as at Mitiera. These are terrific restaurants in the La Vieta little village in Chicago. And it's important for us all to support these local businesses, especially at this time when ice is invading the communities and scaring everyone away from local businesses. So please help us out. Make sure you order from restaurants like this and others across the Chicago area that are supporting Mexican Independence Day and the Mexican American American community and the Latino community and all of our immigrants.
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Joe Bob
Anybody else recognize he was at two restaurants? Like, of course he was. There was. There wasn't enough food at this one restaurant, so I had to go to the second restaurant, which is why I met both of these restaurants. I just broke my own promise. I promised that I would not make fun of the absurdly overweight Lizzo impersonator Jamie Pritzker. But there I go again while we're at it. Yeah, maybe they're scared away because the guy who plays the Kool Aid man and all those commercials bursting through the walls is standing outside of both restaurants wondering how come the food Truck delivery is not there yet. But here's. Here's what I think is. I'm sorry, I'm cracking myself up. Here's what I think is fascinating about this and something that for better, worse, conservatives just do better right now than the lib side of the aisle. President Trump does this. Charlie did this fantastically. And it's genuineness. Pritzker here, again, he's clearly running for president and he's trying to appeal to the field because, oh, he's just like me and you. You know, he may be a billionaire and throw a ton of funding towards transgender surgeries for minors, but he's just like me and you. Look, he's at both of my favorite restaurants eating them out of all of their inventory. But he's just like me and you. And I think every single person with two eyes and can fog a mirror. Actually, it only takes one eye to be able to see that, can recognize that, no, this is not genuine. This is not authentic. And somehow conservatives now, and this is good news because conservatives have been able to bridge that gap. President Trump, yeah, he's a billionaire, but he connects with people because of his authenticity. I. There was a motorcycle event, I think it was at Sturgis, where all of your hokey politicians put on the leather jacket, they've got their chaps and the bike helmet and they're sitting on a motorcycle. These people would never ride motorcycles. And President Trump pulls up in a limo in a suit and tie and says, I don't really like motorcycles. I'm here for the votes. And while you might think, ah, it might be a little belittling of our culture, no, the guy's authentic. What he, what he means is, this is who I am. And, you know, love it or hate it, I'm just doing my thing. People hate when politicians, specifically people that are insanely out of touch with reality, slash the normal person dress up in their suit and say, support local businesses, which again, I, again, I'm not sure. Having bought out all the inventory at those restaurants, I'm not sure why people need to support them. They're probably rolling in money after JB Pritzker ate all of the food they have on hand. But again, this is the biggest thing I think conservatives have going for them right now in so many different facets. Again, Trump does it. Charlie did it fantastically. Be genuine and be authentic, unlike this state senator, also from Illinois. This is just our Illinois bashing segment. Illinois State Rep. Karina Villa. It's actually Villa, but I'm sure she pronounce it via. Put up this video when ICE was coming to a neighborhood. Now I will be. I don't know if she lives in this neighborhood. But what I do know is that behind the scenes in the media world, there always is coordination and discussion of how you're going to do things. So when you watch this, keep in mind that this Senator Kristen Villa. Sorry, Karina Villa. Handed the camera to somebody and said, okay, going to. I'm going to be really upset. I'm going to be just so mad because I think everybody here is illegal. I'm going to tell them to stay in their house and film me. And. And I'm going to just be really, really emotional. So, so film me doing that. And then. And then we're going to post it on the Internet. Know that that is what happens before these happen, so you can adequately make fun of it with me. Watch this. Don't open your doors if it's not. Come on. This is my city. This is my city. That's right. Take off your mouth. Take off your mouth. What? What? Stay inside of your houses. Everyone. Do not come out. Stay in your houses. See, what I want everybody to know is that right after they finished recording that video. Stay. Stay in your house. Okay, how did that look? That. Did I look emotional enough? Because I think we only got one shot at this because they did drive away. And unfortunately I was late and couldn't make the full impact. Or at least I couldn't get a couple takes in, which I would have wanted to because ICE just left. And that makes me so mad. It makes me more mad than them actually being there if I didn't get the take that I wanted. Oh, that actually looks good. Okay, post it. He can't help but laugh at these folks. As if her yelling at a car is going to do anything. Yelling at people to stay in their home. By the way, how racist is it that this woman thinks just, well, everybody here is illegal, so they probably got to stay in their house. I should probably also mention it in Spanish because those are the only types of people that come to the country illegally. Like you've said multiple times, if you're in the country illegally from anywhere in the world, leave. Adios. Bye. Bye. There. I am speaking Spanish, too. But this, it's. It's. It's comical and so fascinating to see inside the mind of somebody who's just trying to make themselves more popular on the Internet. Just for the record, Karina Villa voted yes on a constitutional protection for abortion. She also voted for removing parental notifications for requiring minors to seek abortions. She sponsored a 2025 law that safeguarded reproductive care access. And she has a 0% rating from the pro life movement. So that's the kind of person that she is. I don't care that we're embarrassing her. I hope she's embarrassed. I hope she feels a minimal amount of shame also. And lastly, is that not a crime? That's like impeding on a federal investigation or the federal process? I don't actually know. I probably should have looked that up, but I feel like that is. I feel like if you go around with warning people that you think are illegal, by the way, I also too hope that there was somebody in their doorway going, we were born and raised here. What are you talking about, lady? But if you're, if you're trying to warn illegals, hey, ICE is coming. I'm pretty sure that is a crime. I'm pretty sure we've discussed that before and hope she gets prosecuted. I doubt she will, but one can only hope. Coming up, we're going to talk to Brianna Lyman of the Federalist regarding people getting federal fired for Charlie Kirk celebrations. Which good get fired. We don't want you in our place of work employment. We want to protect our other staff from people like you that think murder is okay because that means that you're insane and we don't want to deal with you. You can also email the show anytime you want. TPTP USA.com I do want to mention this one point. Every time we were going into a commercial break or coming out of commercial breakout, remind people of America Fest as of right now. As it stands right now, there are 15,000 tickets sold. That is already more than we've ever had at America Fest. So while I don't necessarily know if I should remind people because apparently people already know, I think that's something to celebrate. There are there is a huge response, not including the tens of thousands of turning point chapters that have been requested all across the country. The events are sold to capacity. Charlie's funeral that is happening this Sunday is I not everyone who wants to go can't get in and it's in an NFL stadium. The outpouring from the community and from the country as a whole is incredible and amazing. And while I guess we'll continue to remind you about these events, clearly we don't have to because of the impact that Charlie made on the entire country as a whole. Tptbusa.com if you want to email us, don't go away. We'll Be right back after the break. Welcome back to Turning Point tonight where we are continuing to chart the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, you can email the show anytime you want. Tptpusa.com we will get to some of those emails in the final segment, I promise you. I know we've run out of time pretty much every single day, but there's a lot to talk about, so. We will. We will, I promise. Today we will do that. Here to talk more about Charlie and his impact on the country. I mean, broadly the world, in all honesty. Brianna Lyman is a reporter for the Federalist. Brianna, thanks for joining us. You know, we've been having people on to talk about, you know, Charlie and just kind of what he meant to them and what he meant to the movement as a whole. But I think you had some pretty good thoughts and some pretty, pretty interesting and apt comparisons for Charlie. What are your. Just open and general thoughts?
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Brianna Lyman
Yeah, I think the best comparison for Charlie Kirk right now is Abraham Lincoln, because when he gave his inaugural address in 1861, we were on the brink of a civil war. And Abraham Lincoln pleaded with all Americans to remember the mystic chords of memory. And the point he was trying to make is we may have major differences, but we are still all Americans at the end of the day. And he prayed that our better angels of our nature would prevail every single day. Charlie Kirk did just that. He set out to remind Americans that despite our differences, we are still American. Which I think is why when he had the prove me wrong events, he said, if you disagree with me, come to the front of the line. He never saw them as an enemy. He saw them as a fellow American who was maybe led astray and needed to be brought back to the right mindset. And I think that that speaks volumes of who Charlie Kirk was. I think both Lincoln, Charlie Kirk wanted to unite the country at a time of extreme division. Unfortunately, both were killed, assassinated for doing just that. And it's hard not to make that comparison.
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Joe Bob
Yeah, I mean, it's a, It's a good one. And people are comparing him to some, some monumental figures. And I, I feel like it, a lot of it is deserved. Brown, you're obviously, obviously a woman. I can tell that by. Because I have eyes and can fog a mirror for you right there. There's, you know, sometimes, sometimes men look for other men commentary. Sometimes women look for women to give their commentary. And none of that's neither good nor bad. But I think Charlie kind of bridged the gap to where there are. It's it's just interesting. It's anecdotal, but I think one of. One of the videos I posted recently, the overwhelming majority of people that have watched it have been women. I think 65% of the audience has been women. Why was it that Charlie could kind of reach across that gender gap? I guess, if you call it so effectively and so well, in your opinion?
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Brianna Lyman
I actually think there's a few reasons for this. First and foremost, I know that the young men are shifting, right? They're becoming more religious. Young women are looking for someone who is also religious and can help guide us. And Charlie and his wife Erica did that in a way that no other has been able to. The Young Women Leadership Summit, the. That's an opportunity for young women to get together with one another and still have Charlie's expertise and guidance involved in that. And I think the last point to make is Charlie tapped into something that young people have not been able to do, which is embrace their femininity and embrace a traditional female role, if that's what they choose. Charlie does not shame women for wanting to be mothers, homemakers, wives. In fact, he encourages it. He encourages it through the gospel. He encourages it through logic and family building. And that's very refreshing for a lot of us who have been taught by colleges, universities, that we have to go to school, we have to have a career, and then if we get married and have kids, great. That's a side task. Charlie put an emphasis on something that we innately believe in and have always been, you know, predisposed to want.
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Joe Bob
Well, I thought it was always interesting. I remember the most recent YWL event, which is the Young Women's Leadership Summit. For those of you not hip to the acronym there. Charlie and Erica gave a presentation by the. By just the two of them. And it was. It was fascinating to watch because Charlie, you know, would say things that are just objectively true, real hard, cold facts, something along the lines of, like, yeah, if you're not married by 30, your chances go down by 50%. And Erica would agree, but would blunt it in a certain way, like, that doesn't mean that you won't get married. And to me, it was just the exemplification, the prime example of a man and a woman joined together doing the. Doing the masculine and the feminine and kind of presenting that to the world. I always thought that it was like a fascinating dynamic that they had and really kind of emblematic of what a dynamic should be in a marriage, you know, considering men are the way they are. And Women are the way they are. Brad, you know, you. You're a reporter for the Federalist. One of Charlie's biggest things that he advocated for is the reporting power on the conservative side of the aisle. The New York Times has, you know, reporters everywhere doing everything. A bunch of your lefty outlets have reporters on the ground everywhere doing everything. Conservatives just don't really have that. And I hate to put you on the spot here, like how to fix that, but, you know, as a reporter who does some deep digging into things, what is there to be done about the lack of reporting power that Charlie cared so much about and also is just desperately needed on the conservative side of the aisle?
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Brianna Lyman
I actually think that the way that we're covering Charlie Kirk's assassination is good for that. And what I mean by that is the way that the left wing media, the propaganda press has covered his assassination has been absolutely egregious. Either they're justifying it, they're saying, well, he said some pretty bad things, as if that's some kind of moral high ground. Whereas conservative media, though we may be small, there is a lot of people in America right now that are disgusted by the way that the left wing media is covering this, and they're coming to us. And so I think the more we can do complete, accurate reporting, which we always do, and attacking the left wing media and calling them out on their lies, their hypocrisy, and their gaslighting, it encourages others to come read. And the more readers we get, of course, the more money we can make, the more reporters we can hire. So I think actually working harder now than ever is a good way to get people to come to small, independent outlets that don't have an agenda to fulfill and change hearts and minds.
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Joe Bob
Now, I understand you're a reporter. I don't necessarily want to put the pundit hat on you, but there's a bunch of people getting fired from their jobs for the sick and disgusting things that they've posted on social media. Just as a personal opinion, how does, how do you feel about that? I've obviously expressed great admiration of people getting fired for their sickening posts, but I recognize I, you know, might not know it all. What's your perspective on that?
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Brianna Lyman
I love it. You know, when, when Ronald Reagan was narrowly assassinated, he said on the operating table to the doctor, something along the lines of, I hope you're Republican. And the doctor said, we're all Republicans today. That was the general sentiment, and I believe it was at a university in which a college student wrote an essay that somewhat justified or said Reagan, this should have happened to Reagan and he was immediately blacklisted. I think he might have gotten expelled. So at that time, just 40 years ago, General sentiment was political violence is bad. Now we're at the point where the left is suddenly these absolutist defenders of free, free speech and are saying that people should be allowed to cheer or support the murder of Charlie Kerr. You have the right to free speech. You don't have the right to be free from repercussions. And when it comes to celebrating someone's assassination, you absolutely do not belong in positions of educators, doctors, nurses, hospitals. God forbid I walked into a hospital needing emergency surgery donning MAGA gear. And the, the doctor, someone who's posted in the past that he supports assassination attempts. Can I trust that I'm going to get the best care? Absolutely not. We're bringing civility back to this country. The left wants to go off to the deep end, they can do that. We're going to hold them accountable. Now they don't get to cancel us for small things and then expect that they can get away with celebrating murder.
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Joe Bob
That is such a great. You're the queen of comparisons today. You got, you got Abraham Lincoln and also, yeah, when Reagan walked into the operating room after getting shot. Because I hope you all Republicans and I don't think they were, if I remember correctly, I think several of the doctors weren't. But you know, exactly what you said. We're all Republicans tonight. Not again, a political statement, but a statement of unity. We're all Americans. Great. Brianna Lyman, the comparison lady that works at the Federals, also, thank you so much for joining us. Really, really appreciate taking the time.
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Brianna Lyman
Thanks for having me.
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Joe Bob
Thank you. Coming up, we've got. It's hard to be funny, but it also is kind of apt because Charlie loved to make fun of libs. We've got clips from around the media, I guess, specifically cnn that you're going to roll your eyes at, but also hopefully, you know, share in the enjoyment of mocking them endlessly. Remember, you can also email the show tptpusa.com we'll be right back after the break. Don't go away. Welcome back to Turning Point. Tonight we're together. We are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. You can email the show anytime you want. TPT@tpusa.com we're gonna get to some of those in the following segment. But like I mentioned and I've been mentioning one of Charlie's biggest things that we would talk about is make fun of the left, not because you're trying to be mean or rude about it, but that Thomas More saying that I think I quoted a while ago, that the devil can't endure to be mocked. The devil can't bear to be made fun of because everything he does is in opposition of truth to. And one of Charlie's things, obviously, was defending truth. And some of the best ways to illuminate that is through humor, as we've seen. I remember we were backstage. Where were we? University of Wyoming, I think. And there was some discussion of what I was going to say. If you don't know this, I would open up the events for Charlie anytime we were in a big, you know, college theater, do five, 10 minutes and kind of loosen up the audience a little bit. Because he would make some very funny jokes. And sometimes people wouldn't necessarily be prepared for them because they were just ready for the intellect and when you make a funny joke which go right over people's heads. So my job was to, like, loosen them up a little bit, get them ready for an exciting and engaging and sometimes even humorous talk from Charlie. But all that being said, we were backstage in Wyoming and there were some ideas being thrown around that I was like, I don't know if I want to go that far. Charlie said, dude, just. Just make fun of the left because we need to expose the truth. And the way that we do that is through humor in so many cases. And that's what he believed and that's what he stuck to. So with that, you know, that's what we're going to kind of keep doing in memory of Charlie. I know we've always been kind of light hearted on this show, and also I appreciate you sticking around kind of through this tumultuous time, trying to figure out what this is, not wanting to make fun of things in a way that we had in the past, because of course, there's a somber nature to what it is that we're doing now. But at the same time, keeping in mind that Charlie loved to laugh. And laugh we will, because again, the devil can't bear to be mocked. Evil cannot bear to be made fun of, because that illuminates the truth. That being said, let's go to some of the interesting clips from around the Internet. I think yesterday we played a clip, but also some articles from. What was her name? Karen Attia, the Wall, the Washington Post reporter that was like, I was fired for saying things that I. That Charlie Kirk was a, you know, a white man or whatever. It was that she said I just quoted him. Okay, yeah, but you quoted him out of context to further your point, which is why you're not a journalist. Well, that context was exactly what he was saying leading into this specific clip. He had said, yeah, Joy Reid was affirmative action. And they said, how dare you. She's a smart person, therefore didn't need affirmative action. Yet here's a five second clip of her saying the exact opposite. Watch this. Well, let me just be clear.
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Montel Williams
I got into Harvard only because of affirmative action.
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Joe Bob
No, but Charlie's saying it is bad because she's a black woman and she has to be protected even though she says the things that. Well, we all know because yeah, clearly you didn't get into Harvard on your marriage. Like, I mean we all know that. But. But she's not an affirmative action. She's definitely qualified. Charlie's evil for saying that. Yeah. Okay, good. Good luck with that. One of the other things that I think is interesting, and this is again, this is so just difficult to find the line between humor and seriousness. This next clip is Montel Williams, the former daytime talk show host on cnn. For some reason I not entirely sure why they have him on the panel. I don't know if Steve Wilkos is going to be on next followed by Jerry Springer who if he were still alive would probably happily go on the CNN political panel. Not sure why he's here, but this is another, this is another element in my crusade against language. Not policing language, but using language inaccurately and irresponsibly. Watch this. Because this to some people may sound smart, but what it really is is trying to disguise evil and put the blame on someone else. Watch this. I don't believe he was motivated politically. I think this was motivated emotionally. I think this was a emotionally stunted person who literally want to say this way, just hear me. Tried to defend his significant other. Not trying to defend some ideology, although.
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Montel Williams
I do think there, I mean there's clearly an ideological difference. That's why I played about what they said about the family. I mean the ideological difference that he was reacting to wasn't just Charlie Kirk. It was also maybe his dad. I mean his father was according to him maga. So that that conflict was there clearly.
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Joe Bob
But this is a young man who's dating a person in transition. And what like what point are you trying to make their Montel and Abby? Oh, actually maybe it was a. He was protecting his mentally ill boyfriend girlfriend. Again, I don't even know which direction is going which way. I don't really care. Clearly somebody who had the ideology of a person that a lot of us would deem mentally ill. Oh, he's just trying to protect that person. And what, so it's fine then, Montel? Is that, is that what you're getting at? Is that what you're alluding to? No, it wasn't political. He's just, he's just trying to protect his significant other. And then Abby saying, well, maybe it was a retaliation against his dad. Oh, okay, cool. It's his dad's fault. You're right. Yeah, that's. That's going to stick and track with mainstream America. Oh, yeah. The shooter, you know, wouldn't have had to assassinate a father and a husband except for his dad. His dad was mean to him. So, you know, blame the dad and not the adult who's responsible for his own actions. Again, it's trying to thread the needle between making fun of these people and just unloading on them. But language being a huge part of that. Trying to twist it into. No, no, this is not political. It's. It's emotional internally. Yeah. Okay, for. Fine, then what happens? What's the next level of that? Clearly political. Clearly the ideology turns people's emotions inside for the worse. If you're going to the radical left and stop trying to obfuscate the obvious intent and where that intent comes from. Oh, emotional sounds better. So we're just going to use that. No, he's a cold blooded killer that did something abhorrent and you can't let him off the hook because his dad, for some reason, it's ridiculous. Speaking of ridiculous, there's another clip from CNN that we can make fun of. It's a little bit, it's a little bit easier to poke fun of in levity at. Watch this. I think there are a lot of families out there who don't believe boys.
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David
Should play girl sports.
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Joe Bob
They're not boys. I'm not gonna listen to transphobia at this table. I am not gonna listen to trans girl. A boy. Are you going to. Allow me to. When you use a word that's a slur, I'm going to interrupt. That's not how it is. They're not boys. They're not boys. They're not playing girl. I'm not going to sit there for.
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Montel Williams
A second because, look, this is a really heated issue, right? And Shar. Michael, I know you. I know that you understand that people have different views on this. I think out of respect for Jay, like, let's tried to talk about this in a way that Is respectful.
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Joe Bob
Yes. Talk to the talk. Talk about this in a way that is respectful. By lying to him. That's. That's how you should be respectful of his feelings. And also, as if. I will not tolerate transphobia at this table as some sort of an argument. I recognize this has nothing to do with Charlie. It was just a really interesting clip going around, but also gives you a peek and an insight into how libs think. Oh, okay, cool. So if you're gonna make up a term and then decide to be offended at it, and therefore you can't tolerate the discussion of it at this particular. Well, what if we do the same thing? I'm sorry, J. I cannot tolerate conservophobia. Everything you say is hurtful and violence to me. By your words, I will not sit here and tolerate conservophobia being spread. The hate being spread from you. Both sides can do that, by the way. We can. We can do that. I don't think we should. I think we're better than that. I think we're bigger than that. But also, don't pretend that that's a good argument. No, no, no. I will not have transphobia at this table. Okay. You can't just make up a word and then pretend to be by it when somebody talks about reality. Ridiculous nonsense. You know, one of the things that I think is really interesting of where we are at in the culture. I think I've talked about it on this show, but my wife is not the most politically engaged. I think I've mentioned this before, but she has. Has decided to engage, let's put it lightly, with friends of hers who posted horrific things after Charlie's assassination, which I think brought up kind of a broader, interesting and fascinating dynamic between people online and on the Internet. I thought this was really interesting. I think this was from study finds people on the Internet resort to calling names as opposed to engaging in good faith arguments. Nearly half of objections on the Internet, according to this study. I think it was Cornell too, by the way, that did the study. Nearly half of objections online in comment sections are personal attacks rather than actual arguments. In other words, you're commenting. You know, Charlie. Somebody said, Charlie Kirk is a racist. Like, okay, well, can you prove any of that to the point? Do you have any evidence of that? Can you share a video that Charlie is a racist or being racist? And then they'll say you're just a part of the Maga culture. That happens 50% of the time. I would love to see this data broken down by ideological lines. How many conservatives resort to Saying, ah, Jimmy Pritzker is a Lizzo impersonator. Which, you know, you know, maybe some of your favorite talk show hosts have said at some point in the past, I don't know, I don't know when they would have said that, but it's possible. But, but that's the thing, I would be curious to say the ideological lines. Cornell researchers also identified different taxes that people use to shut down comments from insults to moral appeals and threats, which again is awful. Crosstalk between political, political opposition is common among many groups. Challenging the ideas of social media is only an echo chamber, which is absolutely true. And I think what I'm trying to get at, broadly speaking, is how do we resolve this? How do we resolve a culture that online sits to argue with people not through logic and reason and good faith arguments and debate, but instead defaults to personal insults? I don't understand it, especially on social media. And like I said, I will try and dig into this. As you know, there's more information that I'm sure will come out about this because I think this is going to be a hot topic to talk about who's doing more of it. Anecdotally, I would say libs are probably more likely to call somebody a racist or fascist and think that they've won the argument. Just like that dude who says I will not stand for this made up term transphobia at this table. The bottom line is this. Charlie unequivocally advocated for open dialogue, free exchange of ideas. It appears that online, and this is not probably a shock to anybody, appears that online that that culture is diminishing. We have to bring it back because like Charlie said, when people stop talking, that's when violence happens. Who we got? Like I said, I promise we'll get some of the emails in the next and last segments. Appreciate you sticking around. TPTP USA.com I also would generally remind people to go buy tickets to America Fest. I can't in good faith tell you that there are any tickets left. I don't, I genuinely don't know. I just know that what I think is the capacity, it's possible could have already been read. So it's met. So if you'd like to go to America's still, check it out. Amfest.com am f e s t.com There might be tickets. I hope there are or you know, I hope they are not. Not because I don't want you to go, but because that would mean that this event is sold out entirely for people in support of Charlie and what he stood for but try if you can, it is the best event America Fest happening again this December four day event obviously in honor of Charlie again. Email the show tbtpsa.com we'll be right back after the break. Don't go away. Welcome back to Turning Point tonight where together we are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. I've been promising for days we're going to get to some of these emails and know that we can't get to all of them. But I think there's a select few that have gotten and keep them coming. It is awesome to see the outpouring of love for Charlie and his wife Erica and his two kids and the Kirk family as a whole. More broadly. TPTP USA.com is where you can send all of those. This one's from Wayne. I thought it was great. His wife, he said, has gone to two of the vigils and watched the vigil, the Kennedy center and watched Erica speak and felt the Holy Spirit in her as she spoke, boldness in her. We are stronger. We were praying for the family. I think that is such a great thing to highlight in the midst of clearly a horrible tragedy. I don't know a single person that has not been overwhelmingly impressed by Erica in her response. I, I said to my wife on Friday afternoon when it was released that Erica was going to talk. I don't know if I could do that, let alone his wife. Not that there's you know, some sort of male female difference there but I, you know, generally speaking I tend to be the more strong one in our relationship and I told my wife I couldn't do that. And the fact that Erica stood up there like a brick wall and and gave her remarks in a loving and caring and kind hearted way was amazing. So yeah Wayne, we all agree she's incredible and and will will definitely continue on in the way that Charlie would have wanted. Maria says Charlie showed us to love Jesus and love all people. He was the best of all of humanity and will be missed. He showed me how to speak with passion without getting angry or loud man. Yes, I'm grateful to hear to, to have heard him speak. God bless him and his family. Long live his legacy. And words that yeah pointing out the, the good hearted nature. Now are there clips where he gets a little bit heated? Yes, but, but you gotta remember guys sitting in front of a massive amount of people for three hours just taking the most vitriolic insults. Yeah, maybe his voice raised a little bit but overall like the, the guy was genuinely kind and 99.9% of the time. And I only say this, I only put this qualifier in because there's people that have posted like a video of 10 years ago of him, you know, getting upset with someone and think that that's, oh, this is his total temperament. No, the temperament was always calm, is always welcoming and in good nature. Got to move quickly. Kathleen said, you know, when liberals reject social norms and condone murder, they deserve to lose their jobs. I know that's not a memory of Charlie. It's thought, but it's nice to see people, people agreeing with that. I, yes, that is accurate misalignment with reality and the social truths that we've all collectively agreed on means that society gets to say now to the side. Rex and Beth said Charlie and his show have been a part of our life daily. If we didn't catch it in the morning, we would watch it at night. Although never met him personally, we felt that we knew him. That I think I, honest to God, Rex and Beth is one of the biggest holes that I didn't know that I'd have. When you, when you repeatedly listen to folks day in and day out and you, you do, you feel like you get to know them and, you know, obviously there's, there's a missing piece in, in everything that he was doing, but just that consistent present voice that you just hear every single day, you, you feel like you get to know people and, and I, yeah, I, I can sympathize with that sentiment. Every single day. It would be, you know, Charlie talking last night. I got to wrap it up here, Jay. And we've got a couple more and we'll get to those as we go on. Jay says as a 64 year old gay man who's never been to a political rally end up at a Turning Point event, it's because of Charlie. Yeah, Jay, I remember you. I remember taking a picture with you in Tampa. So glad to see that you're involved. Charlie welcomes everybody to the conservative movement and he had just that sort of skill to bring anybody into the fold of saving America. That's going to do it for us here at Turning Point tonight. Thanks for sticking with us as we kind of try and figure out what this ends up being. Appreciate you. We'll see you tomorrow, same time, same place. God bless America. This is an I Heart podcast.