TURNING POINT TONIGHT, WITH JOBOB, SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2025

Summary

Podcast Summary: Real America’s Voice – Turning Point Tonight with Joe Bob (September 8, 2025)

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Turning Point Tonight" hosted by Joe Bob delivers an energetic and often irreverent take on current political and cultural controversies through the lens of conservative American values. The conversation covers government spending and alleged cronyism in California, reactions to crime and National Guard deployments in major cities like Chicago, debate over government shutdowns, cultural rot as seen through the declining VMAs, campus activism, and wellness culture. The vibe, as always, is sharp, skeptical of "the left," and peppered with biting humor and pop culture references.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. California’s Film Tax Credits, Corruption, and Hollywood Flight

Main Point:
Joe Bob and guests discuss the exodus of film production from California, the ballooning of tax credit programs to retain film companies, and the interplay between political donations and state funding.

• Tax Credit Increase: California’s film and TV tax credit program has grown from $330 million to $750 million, with a notable $70 million going to Netflix this year.
• Cronyism Allegation: Joe Bob points out the coincidence between Netflix’s CEO Reed Hastings donating millions to Newsom’s campaigns and Netflix receiving large tax breaks. The discussion is skeptical about the absence of a quid pro quo.
• Effectiveness Questioned: Despite tax credits, only 4% of Netflix productions are actually filmed in California.

“Only in California could you launder taxpayer money through Netflix faster than you could get a new season of the Stranger Things.”
— Brylan Hollyhan [04:54]

• Democratic Motives: Haley Karenina claims these efforts are to clean up Newsom’s record ahead of a potential 2028 presidential run.

Timestamps:

• California tax credits & cronyism: [00:12]–[05:55]

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2. Government Shutdown: Conservative Opportunity or Libs' Contradiction?

Main Point:
Joe Bob highlights liberal commentator Ezra Klein’s openness to a government shutdown, which the panel finds ironic given past Democratic outrage at such ideas.

• Reversal of Roles: The left, who previously condemned government downsizing and shutdowns as extremist or dangerous, are now floating it themselves.
• Conservative Reaction: The panel argues shutdowns can be opportunities to identify and eliminate “non-essential” government jobs.

"When the government, quote, unquote, shuts down... all of the non essential federal workers are furloughed. To which then I say, well, why do we have federal workers that are non essential?"
— Joe Bob [07:36]

"Let's start unplugging government agencies and seeing which ones we can function without... Why are there non essential government employees to start with?"
— Brylan Hollyhan [08:06]

Timestamps:

• Shutdowns debate: [05:55]–[08:49]

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3. Protests Against Policing in D.C. and Chicago: Motivations and Meaning

Main Point:
The panel discusses ongoing protests in major cities, skepticism over protester motives, and the so-called “virtue signaling” of anti-police activism.

• Protest Fatigue: Despite improved conditions in D.C. after National Guard involvement, protests continue, which the panel attributes to paid activism and performative motives.

"Protesting is virtue signaling. I'm a First Amendment absolutist... but it is a waste of time."
— Haley Karenina [09:35]

• Democratic Stances Shifting: Brylan frames the left as lurching from anti-police to now being “pro-crime” by opposing crime prevention initiatives.

“The modern day left's actual number one stance right now is pro crime. What are we doing? They're a non existent party.”
— Brylan Hollyhan [10:54]

Timestamps:

• D.C. and policing protests: [08:49]–[11:46]

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4. Chicago, the National Guard, and Trump’s “3D Chess”

Main Point:
Speculation over whether Trump’s threats to use the National Guard in Chicago are a tactical head fake or genuine plan.

• Spotlighting Crime: Haley argues Trump is using threats to draw national attention to Chicago’s high crime and failures of Democratic policies.

“This is just putting a spotlight on all of the Democrat policies that are failed policies and the Democrats are freaking out because it just exposes how horrible they are at their jobs.”
— Haley Karenina [15:25]

• Trolling the Left: Trump is portrayed as trolling Democrats who react hyperbolically to proposed interventions.

“President Trump led on that issue. The common sense of America went out and said, yeah, y’ all went too far left. Now they're pro crime.”
— Brylan Hollyhan [10:54]

Timestamps:

• Chicago, Trump, & National Guard: [13:27]–[17:45]

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5. VMAs, Pop Culture, and Diminishing Influence

Main Point:
Critiquing the MTV Video Music Awards as evidence of cultural decline, “woke” overreach, and irrelevance.

• Woke Performances: Referencing performances featuring drag queens and pro-trans messaging; panelists argue this alienates mainstream and conservative audiences.
• Loss of Relevance: VMAs once set cultural agendas but now garner low ratings and little student interest, even among the young demographic.

“What we're seeing now is this really just activists in celebrity clothing dancing up there... Not a single person I know watched this last night.”
— Brylan Hollyhan [21:10]

• Parental Responsibility: Haley advises that if VMAs aren’t for kids, parents should monitor what their children watch, but isn’t clutching her pearls.

Timestamps:

• VMAs and culture: [17:45]–[22:17]

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6. Health & Wellness Mini-Segment (Food Apps, Trader Joe's, and Clean Living)

Main Point:
A health and wellness counterpoint criticizes reliance on food scanning apps, greenwashing in stores like Trader Joe's and Sephora, and offers tips for college students on healthy living.

• Skepticism on Apps: Apps like Yucca judged as misleading; some brands may pay for favorable ratings.
• Trader Joe’s: Labeled as "rebranded junk food" despite its reputation for healthy options.
• Clean Beauty: Warns about “clean” sections in Sephora not being truly clean due to hidden fragrances and endocrine disruptors.

“They have beautiful flowers... but almost everything has inflammatory oils. It's just re-branded junk food.”
— Health & Wellness Expert [27:04]

Timestamps:

• Health/wellness segment: [24:03]–[33:26]

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7. Government Housing Initiatives: Community Trusts and Decommodification

Main Point:
A video and Joe Bob’s commentary challenge progressive housing proposals like tenant first-refusal and government-backed community land trusts.

• Critique: Joe Bob warns government bidding distorts market values and results in more public debt and mismanagement, echoing a theme of warning against expanding state power.

“When the government bids on things and can issue debt, unlike people in the private sector, they're going to inflate the value and saddle the voters or the constituents with the debt that they use to irresponsibly buy a thing they couldn't freaking afford.”
— Joe Bob [36:41]

Timestamps:

• Housing policies critique: [34:32]–[41:43]

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8. Cultural Appropriation Quick-Take

A skit with the panel lampoons “cultural appropriation” accusations, turning the logic back on liberals in a tongue-in-cheek way. The tone is mocking, suggesting the conversation around cultural appropriation is absurd.

“That is a white person. That is a white person. Shame. Shame. His cultural appropriation. Shame.”
— Joe Bob [41:56]

Timestamps:

• Cultural appropriation skit: [41:43]–[42:13]

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9. Party Organization, Funding, and Outside Groups (with Charlie Kirk)

Main Point:
Charlie Kirk and others discuss the limitations of official party structures, the importance of outside organizing (like Turning Point Action), and the need for persistent grassroots efforts.

• Party Infrastructure Flaws: Short leadership terms, poor infrastructure, and limited funding make it tough for parties to build effective long-term campaigns.
• Outside Organizations: Described as key to filling the gap—able to fundraise flexibly and do continuous outreach, legal fights, and voter mobilization.

“There's no possible... way that you can build a campaign infrastructure that can do all the things that are necessary to win if the other side is doing them full time.”
— Charlie Kirk [44:43]

• Real-World Example: Turning Point’s work in Arizona and anecdotes of super-fans who still failed to vote bolster the need for ongoing education and mobilization.

Timestamps:

• Party infrastructure discussion: [42:48]–[49:53]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Netflix Tax Credits:
  “Only in California could you launder taxpayer money through Netflix faster than you could get a new season of the Stranger Things.”
  — Brylan Hollyhan [04:54]

• On Government “Non-Essential” Workers:
  “When the government... shuts down... all of the non essential federal workers are furloughed. To which then I say, well, why do we have federal workers that are non essential?”
  — Joe Bob [07:36]

• On Protesting:
  “Protesting is virtue signaling... it is a waste of time.”
  — Haley Karenina [09:35]

• On the Modern Left:
  “The modern day left’s actual number one stance right now is pro crime.”
  — Brylan Hollyhan [10:54]

• On Trader Joe’s Food:
  “It’s just re-branded junk food. That's all it is.”
  — Health & Wellness Expert [27:04]

• On Cultural Appropriation:
  “That is a white person. That is a white person. Shame. Shame. His cultural appropriation. Shame.”
  — Joe Bob [41:56]

• On Party Organizations:
  "There's no possible and fundamental way that you can build a campaign infrastructure... if the other side is doing them full time."
  — Charlie Kirk [44:43]

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Overall Tone

The episode is brash, mocking, and unapologetically conservative, continually challenging progressive ideas as either self-defeating or hypocritical. Joe Bob and guests mix humor with policy critique and maintain a focus on activism, both culturally and at the ballot box.

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Suggested Listening Segments

• California cronyism and Netflix tax breaks: [00:12]–[05:55]
• Government shutdown as opportunity: [05:55]–[08:49]
• Critiques of unending protests: [08:49]–[11:46]
• Trump’s “head fake” in Chicago: [13:27]–[17:45]
• VMAs and waning pop culture: [17:45]–[22:17]
• Health & Wellness segment: [24:03]–[33:26]
• Housing and overreaching government: [34:32]–[41:43]
• Cultural appropriation skit: [41:43]–[42:13]
• Party organizing with Charlie Kirk: [42:48]–[49:53]

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This summary captures the heart of the episode and provides clear entry points for deeper listening. The mix of policy, skepticism, and humor is representative of Turning Point Tonight’s distinctive style.

Transcript

[Health and Wellness Expert]

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[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

A big time lib suggested something that I think he thought sounded super great. And I actually also kind of agree. What the heck is going on in Chicago? There's the whole National Guard. There's the immigration stuff. Stuff is Trump pulling a 3D move. And the W. Sorry, the VMAs, not the WNBA neither. Nobody watches either one of those. But the VMAs happened last night. And we'll talk about something that I think is really interesting regarding programming, ratings and what the left is doubling down on all that. More coming up on this episode of Turning Point Tonight. My name is Joe Bob. Thanks so much for tuning in. Together, we are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. This is Turning Point tonight. And before we get started, I gotta remind you, you can email the show anytime you want. Tptpusa.com we love seeing your emails. Whether you think everything we say is just the hard, cold truth or you're wrong, doesn't matter. We Love your emails. Tptpusa.com before we get to those stories in our fantastic panel, we've got a fantastic panel lined up today. We've got to talk about this circular money funding thing going on specifically in California. Now, none of this is new. We've seen this a number of times before. But let me set this up. Now, if you don't know California's production center, production capital, the Hollywood world is going away. People are able to on a lower budget with newer equipment that is more nimble and able to travel. They're able to go film elsewhere. And considering California's incredibly difficult to work with laws around increasing employees and productions and unions, nobody is filming anything in California. So because of that, Governor Newsom and the Californians said, hey, we need to incentivize people to stay in this state. They started off with a $330 million tax credit program that has since ballooned up to three quarters of a billion dollars. Okay, well, where is that money going? Well, just this year, Governor Newsom gave his $70 million tax credit to, to Netflix, of all people. Also, totally, completely unrelated. Not at all. It's just, it's just a total coincidence. Reed Hastings, the CEO, gave $3 million to Gavin Newsom's defense of his recall in 2021 and also put another $2 million into the redistricting effort from Gavin Newsom in that's happening right now. Again, just total coincidence. There's no correlation at all with the fact that they got $70 million in tax credits. But the end of the Day, the one thing remains. One, why does nobody want to film in the state of California? And two, why are they getting all that money? Because I hope I didn't bury the lead here. In 2023 and 2024, only 4% of all of Netflix productions were filmed primarily in California, which, again, if you're getting $70 million in tax credits, you think that number would be just a little bit higher. Here to comment on that and so much more is Brylan Hollyhan, political commentator and host of the Nightly Scroll, Hayley Karenina. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you.

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Thanks so much.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Thanks for having us, Haley.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

I mean, there's lots of different levels of this. One, why does California need to cough up three quarters of a billion dollars to get people to stay? And two, again, kind of if it walks like corruption talks, like corruption feels like a circular money exchange between Gavin and his friends.

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Yeah, this is exactly what it is. And it does not pay to do business in California. It. It doesn't pay. You get hit with all of these taxes, even with the tax credits and all the things that Gavin Newsom is trying to do. He's throwing lipstick on a pig to try to make it look better. Everything that Gavin Newsom is trying to do right now, make no mistake, it is because he is running for the president in 2028, and he is trying to make clean up all of the messes that he's made during his time as governor because he's only got a short amount of time to clean it all up before he's out of there. And. And he's definitely trying to make sure that people look here, not over there. That's what he's trying to do.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Brilon. One of my favorite things that Governor Newsom has been doing for the last couple years is looking around saying, wow, this is a disaster. We gotta fix this. Obviously, the irony being, well, you caused the disaster. This is exactly one of those. He says, well, we've gotta save these companies from leaving California. Here's a quarter, three quarters of a billion dollars in tax incentives. Okay, well, you made them leave. Do voters in California, but also around the country, do you think they're going to get, like, hip to this, that this is a thing that he does consistently, like, identifies the problem, says, we need to fix it without taking credit for causing the problem.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

California voters are waking up and they're fleeing to states like Texas and Florida when they wake up and smell those roses and say, whoa, wait, I think I saw a poll a few Days ago, the New York Times study that the past five years in a row, we've seen Governor Newsom come out front, have a press conference with the Senate, same sign, same logo that said fix California. Well, buddy, you broke California. So what are we doing here? What's happening? I mean, only in California could you launder taxpayer money through Netflix faster than you could get a new season of the Stranger Things. I mean, we're looking at this propaganda machine right here, and we talk about propaganda machines like MSNBC and cnn, but genuinely, Netflix has become a propaganda machine for the DNC on its own because they're funding people like Barack Obama, they're funding people like Gavin Newsom, they're funding people like aoc, they're funny people like Meghan Markle to have their own shows that literally not a person watches. There's three people on this panel. If any of you three have seen met a single friend that watches any of those Netflix shows, let me know. But I haven't found a single one that's the modern day left. And they're using Netflix as a propaganda machine to reach today's youth. And somebody's got to call them up for it.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

I don't know about you, but I just can't wait for episode whatever of the Meghan Markle whatever show. Again, trying to make a joke that I watch, but actually nobody does. I, um. You know, things that libs do is. It's crazy what. What. What comes out of how they kind of twist themselves into like, we are. We are the corrupt people. They don't actually say that, but they are. But we're fighting corruption or. Or like this particular situation. Ezra Klein of the New York Times. Haley, I'm not sure if you saw this on Sunday in his podcast. Said something that I think he thought he landed. He just stuck a big one. And in reality, I kind of read it at face value and go, hold on. I. I think I agree with that sort of thing. He says when the new funding bill comes up, I think is at the end of the month, that he sees no way that Democrats can vote for it, that libs can support this agenda. So he is pushing for at least considering shutting the government down, which to. To my sense, isn't that what Doge is, like, supposed to do? Aren't we, like, proponents of, like, yeah, like, let's shut the thing down more and more and more and more. I don't know, you think he stuck the point there or kind of ironically enforced. We're trying to do overall?

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Well, I'm glad you brought up the Doge point, because that was the first thing that I thought of. These are the same people that were demonizing Doge. They said that Elon Musk was Hitler. They said that Doge was a threat to democracy. I mean, they thought cutting the government at all, even just a little bit, even just rooting out, finding corruption and getting rid of the corruption, they thought that was evil. Now the Democrats are saying we should just shut down the government altogether. I mean, hey, don't threaten me with the good time. I hate the government.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Bryon. And this seriously, when the government, quote, unquote, shuts down, right, all of the non essential federal workers are furloughed. To which then I say, well, why do we have federal workers that are non essential? Like again, I understand what he's trying to say, politically speaking, but just overall, if the government shuts down, doesn't that give us an opportunity to go, oh, okay, perfect. Well, that person's not needed. That department is not needed. Oh, the hell with this whole department is there? Isn't this an upside for us?

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

1,000% an upside. And it kind of reminds me of the day that Elon bought Twitter and remember the story where he went back to Twitter's headquarters at that point was in California and just started unplugging things in their server room to see why there was such a large server room. And he was like, if we unplug something that crashes the site, then we'll just plug it back in. And they ended up deciding that that entire server room just wasn't needed. Well, let's start unplugging government agencies and seeing which ones we can function without. And if something happens, absolutely, we'll plug them right back in and bring it back to work. But why are there non essential government employees to start with? If they're not essential, send them to the private sector. They don't need to be filling government jobs, they don't need to be working from home, they don't need to be collecting a taxpayer funded paycheck to absolutely do nothing. Just their whole presence in the government system is waste, fraud and abuse within itself.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Yeah, as a guy in private industry with the second I become non essential, there's also the second I become unemployed, because that's the way the rest of the world works. Speaking of people who are entirely unemployed, apparently people are still protesting in Washington D.C. i guess I like, I thought that this was gonna be one that libs were like, okay, we got this one wrong. I mean, to not relitigate the entire story. President Trump sends in the national guard, says, hey, D.C. is a mess. They cleaned it up. Muriel Bowser, the mayor of D.C. haley said, yeah, crime is, crime is really far. I thought we were done with this. Turns out over the weekend there was thousands of people still protesting. We don't like safe streets in D.C. haley, what's going on here?

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Well, we saw this with the no Kings protests where they were kind of, they kept coming and they didn't stop coming. It was just like the thing to do for the protesters over the weekend. I mean, I don't know if these people, they don't work during the week, they're free on the weekends now. I don't know. I think they're getting paid regardless. I think if they had a paid incentive, it would make sense that they were spending their weekend protesting the same thing that they spent all week or in the week before and the week before protesting. It's more of the same. They're not doing anything. Protesting is virtue signaling. I'm a First Amendment absolutist. I protect everyone. I, I support everyone's right to protest, but it is a waste of time.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Yeah, I like that smash mouth reference there. I'm not sure if you know that you made it, but they won't stop coming and they won't stop coming. Bryland. So, you know, regarding the no Kings protest, the only quibble I would have with conservatives is, well, the no Kings protest worked. We, we've, we don't have any Kings and apparently they were successful in, I mean it's been successful the last 250 years, but no Kings worked. But to Haley's point, like, the only reason I think people are out there is they're getting paid. Right? Like, is that, is that your assessment? I mean, what do you think about this? Especially people protesting against reality and using their weekend to do so.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

You're exactly right. Think about it like this though. All of those non essential government employees that we fired from these three letter agencies that were wasting space in the government have to go do something with their time. And of course they're not going to get a real job. So they're going to dye their hair blue, get a nose ring, grab a bullhorn and go shut down D.C. and protest because evil Donald Trump is trying to stop crime. I mean, the Democrats always take the most extreme stance on every policy. First it was being anti police. And with the consensus of America, majority of Democrats even said, well, you went too far. They had to bring it back a little bit centrist. And remember they said, oh, no, no, no, we didn't pay for the bail of riders. We weren't anti police then. They were, they were pro men and women's bathrooms. They were pro men and women's sports. President Trump led on that issue. The common sense of America went out and said, yeah, y' all went too far left. Now they're pro crime. The modern day left's actual number one stance right now is pro crime. What are we doing? They're a non existent party.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

I also like that too. I was watching you and they had the B roll in there that has like a Palestine flag flying there too to protest DC Policing. I don't know, but maybe, maybe, you know, I'm the idiot for trying to make sense of people who have no sense to begin with. Haley and Bryland will be back after the break to discuss the Video Music Awards. And if you're thinking, what the heck is that? I think that's what most people are thinking. And also, is Trump's Chicago stance like a three dimensional chess move? I kind of happen to think it is. Remember, you can email the show anytime you want. Tptpusa.com don't go away. We'll be right back after the break.

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[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Welcome back to Turning Point. Tonight we're together. We are charting the course of America's cultural comeback. Remember, you can email the show anytime you want. Tptpusa.com Send us some stories we need to be talking about. Send us some hilarious videos and memes. That way we can use them in the fourth segment of the show because that lightens my workload and I greatly appreciate that. TPTP USA.com let's bring our panel back because I want to bring this up with them. Haley Bryland. So this Chicago bonanza, I don't even know what to call it. It's craziness going on in Chicago from a political landscape stance. Now there are two different things happening. There's the ice stuff that is apparently underway today. And then there's the whole National Guard to clean up the streets of Chicago like they did in Washington, D.C. now, specifically, I'm talking about the whole National Guard issue. We, we talked briefly last week that this is an experiment that Chicago's tried, it's worked, but the city leaders of Chicago said, ah, this makes us look bad, so we're not gonna ever do it again. Basically what I'm getting at here is that so many libs have their panties in a wad going, I can't believe he might do this. I can't believe he might do the Senator. Tammy Duckworth went on one of the Sunday talk shows and said, president Trump essentially just declared war on a major city in his own nation. Uh, it was a CBS article that was reporting all of that. And they later on said, by the way, the President has no plans of ever putting National Guard in Chicago. So here's the question, uh, Halo, I'll let you answer for us first. Is President Trump doing a massive head fake here? Because all that's actually happened is that the nation has their eyes flash fixed on Chicago, how bad the murder rate is, how unsafe the streets are, and maybe the public pressure gets so big that he never actually ends up having to do anything. Libs just freak out, like Bryland said last time, defending crime, that the normal people in the country go, oh, well, yeah, Chicago's crazy and we should do something about it.

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Yeah, absolutely. This is just putting a spotlight on all of the Democrat policies that are failed policies and the Democrats are freaking out because it just explodes. Exposes how horrible they are at their jobs. Right. I mean, we saw unfortunately, Labor Day weekend was the deadliest holiday weekend in Chicago this summer. And just this past weekend, 19 people were shot. Seven unfortunately were killed. So by defying President Trump, they're just denying reality.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

That seems to be the case. I lips fighting against reality is my favorite sub genre culture. Bryland. I thought this is pretty funny. In this same article, they talked about President Trump on Saturday using my scary voice. Truthed out a screenshot that read, chicago is about to find out why it's called the Department of War. Later on in the article, they said on Sunday, Trump told reporters, yeah, we're not going to war. Kind of just ripping them on and continuing to troll them in. In the comments section of the Internet. What, what kind of move do you think this is? Do you think that there is a possibility that the actually sends the National Guard in? Or is this from what it Seems like entirely kind of this, hey, we're just going to focus the attention here and you guys figure it out.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Yeah, a few things there. First of all, in the incredible Department of War, without now Secretary of War Pete Hackseth, I would say that it's really cool to see that America is now on offense instead of just defense. We're not just here to defend against attacks. We're here to actually go on offense as a nation. The first thing I said to the Trump campaign when I joined their youth operation was, hey, let's actually be a party going on offense instead of just defense. Now we're not only just a party, but a nation going on offense instead of defense. So that's a great thing. Specifically about Chicago, I'll tell you this. I had a reporter call me this morning, and they said, I wanted to get your comment on the crisis going on in Chicago and how the president has responded to it. And I said, hold on, I have to stop you right there. Which crisis in Chicago are you referring to? Are you referring to the immigration crisis, where Chicago is actually being flooded and people are breaking into the nation and coming to Chicago first and they're actually committing crimes? This reach. Are you talking about the Chicago Chicagoans that are committing crimes in the streets? Because either way, people are being killed and the president is the one actually trying to save people. And they said, well, there's no crisis. The mayor said at his press conference, there's not a crisis. And I said, but there are so many crises, I didn't know which one you were calling me about. That's the problem there.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Yeah. Mayors would never lie about the state of their city, especially when they're under the microscope. That would be a shock to me if that didn't turn out to be true. So there's no way to transition this? Well, uh, the VMAs, the video music Awards, which I'm sure many of you are scratching your heads, go at home going, the what? Yeah, exactly. Relative to the other TV shows in the nation, it ranks very, very low. I think it's gotten less than 4 million viewers the last couple years. There's no ratings out for it yet. The bottom line is, though, this used to be a cultural touchstone. Haley, you dig into the culture quite a bit here. I think one of the things that I wanted to highlight during this cultural touchstone is is this Sabrina Carpenter performance. I think we got a short clip of that. Go ahead and play that. And I want to get your response to the doubling down on the woke craziness in what used to be an American cultural pinnacle, the VMAs. Watch this. Okay, you go ahead and turn that off. It's. It actually. Okay, so it's a little bit harder to see there, but Haley surrounded by drag queens and then a bunch of those signs that were up at the very beginning talking about protecting trans lives and protecting trans kids. You know, are any of the pop artists nowadays doing themselves a certain service, doubling down on that sort of stuff, or is this going to increasingly lessen the viewership of these already unwatched reward shows?

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Well, that's kind of the point, right. I don't think that any conservatives are really running to watch the VMAs. I know. I'm not. I don't know any of my conservative friends who are tuning into this kind of thing. So it's not like people are really. It's not like conservatives have anything to boycott on this right for us. And I think we kind of, like, are very quick to get our pitchforks out and get all angry at all these culture war issues. But this is a award show for adults. And Sabrina Carpenter, for example, is very. She may look like she's a toddler and tiara contestant, but she does not make content for children. She makes content for adults. It is very sex positive. This is like her brand. So for her to be liberal and for her to push this LGBTQ stuff does not shock me. I'm not clutching my pearls over it. The only thing I'll is don't push it on children. But if it's only for adults and fine. And if your kids are watching this stuff, that's on parents to make sure that they are watching age appropriate content.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

You know, I might have a different response to that. I say straight to the gulag with all of these sex bots stars. But that's just me, Bryland. You know, I just. I don't know, you're just overall thoughts on this. And again, I kind of, you know, we can. We can talk about. Yeah, this wasn't necessarily meant for a broader audience, but I think the big thing that I look at is the diminishing influence that libs are doing to themselves. Right. Like, I think. I think Haley's totally right. Like, this is not for a conservative audience, but at the same time, you know, a conservative audience nowadays is just like a normal person. I don't necessarily know that this appeals to, like, normal people, which then again, diminishes the value of their. Their influence there. What are your thoughts overall?

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Yeah, I mean, the VMAs actually used to genuinely be about music. And what we're seeing now is this really just activists and celebrity clothing dancing up there on the st, trying to get a lot of attention with the least amount of clothing possible. And I'm on a college campus. I mean, I'll tell you, Sabrina Carpenter's target audience is college students. The target audience of the VMA production is college students. Not a single person I know watched this last night. I hung out with friends last night. I was at a Bible study with friends last night. That group of people wasn't there. I've been on a college campus all day. I've had classes all morning. Not a single person's brought up in classes. I was in a lecture hall with about 300 people. Was a single person watching highlights or talking about the VMAs last night? Not at all. They were watching college football highlights. Nobody cares about the VMAs. Nobody cares about Sabrina Carpenter in today's America. And I just want to remind you of this. We talk about Hollywood and talk about what it used to be with these type shows. Think of the days not too long ago that we had a conservative president and actor come out of Hollywood. The days of Ronald Reagan in this whole era is totally bygone and he would be unrecognized today in that modern state. This is unfortunate, but again, to Haley's point, not shocking at all.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

You know, I'm developing a theory now in real time. Maybe the VMAs also got one of those elusive tax credits from the governor of California. And then because of that, they're pushing the woke nonsense continually even though it's detrimental to their own influence. I just, I don't know that maybe that's what's going on there. Hailing Haley Bryland. Guys, thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you taking the time.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Thanks for having us. Have a good week.

[Charlie Kirk]

Thank you.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Coming up next here on Turning Point tonight got an awesome clip from Alex Clark's Culture Apothecary podcast, one of the number one health and wellness podcast produced by Turning Point usa. Also, you can email the show anytime you want. TPT turningpointtonightpusa.com tpturnitpusa.com we will be right back after the break. Don't go away.

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[Interviewer]

What should people know about the most popular food scanner apps?

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Oh, that they just do not trump your brain. They, they just could never. Like, these food scanner apps that people are getting so obsessed with are just not accurate. I mean, at the end of the day, you can only scan what's available to you. And I think people like it because they don't have to think, right? And when you stop thinking, that's exactly what they want. You know, they don't want you thinking about any types of options that you're, that you're trying. I mean, even for me, like, if I go into my local Target or Walmart, I can scan all day, but if I don't have good options, I'm gonna feel stressed having to pick something bad because this scanner told me that it's bad, right? So if I don't really have a lot of decent options there, you know, I'm getting stressed. You know, I could imagine if I'm like, oh, my God, there's no clean shampoo or there's no, you know, good snack options here. Everything has canola, everything has sunflower on this app is telling me how bad it is. I'm going to go home stressed and pissed off. You know, like, do some helpful.

[Interviewer]

Some of these food scanner apps allow brands to pay them so that their product will be recommended.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

I would think so. I mean, I don't know, 100%. But there's been a lot of speculation that there is, there are brands paying for better scores.

[Interviewer]

I'll tell you this. The Yucca app will tell you Beef tallow is bad. I think it labels it as a saturated fat.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah, it, I mean, I've done my brain versus the Yuck app so many times and it's, it's kind of mind blowing the things that they allow on that app because they'll, they, they allow brands like Cetaphil, which is, has a lot of endocrine disruptors in that, and they think it's like a hundred. Like, it's a great product. I recently did one where I saw that it will say that essential oils are bad. Which essential oils? Of course, like, if you're allergic, it can maybe cause skin irritation, but if you're not allergic. It's really not an issue. But it won't say that fragrance is bad. And fragrance can hide. We know like hundreds of different types of parabens and endocrine disruptors and phthalates that brands don't necessarily have to disclose. So how are you allowing that?

[Interviewer]

Somebody asked me the other day, on a scale of 1 to 10, how important is it really that I avoid fragrance?

[Health and Wellness Expert]

For me it's a 10.

[Interviewer]

I said 10.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

10 out of 10. That's the one thing I tell people, get out of your house. I mean, I work with brands all the time that'll say that they use, you know, natural fragrance and then they're very open about what is actually in that. And it looks great to me, right? I'm like, wow, this is amazing. And it's a proprietary blend. I don't want somebody, you know, really copying their thing. But we don't have that opportunity when we're at an app, when we're at a store and the app is telling us that it's bad, right? Like we don't have the opportunity to go and email the brand really quick. Like, let me just see what's in it. So I always just say people, like tell people, just avoid fragrance. It is the best thing that you're going to do for your hormones, for your thyroid, for your pets, for your kids. They should not be inhaling things that you have no idea how it's, you know, being treated really, because you have no idea what they're putting in there.

[Interviewer]

Do you have as strong of feelings as I do about Trader Joe's that we hate it? Do you hate it because I don't like Trader Joe's. I don't like Trader Joe's either. What's your reasoning?

[Health and Wellness Expert]

I mean, they, okay, they have beautiful flowers, right? We can all agree we have some united front that Trader Joe has great flowers and they also have like good. I don't know about your Trader Joe's, but the produce section is like pretty decent. But almost everything has inflammatory oils. It's just re branded junk food. That's all it is. And it's always old people in there because they like the ready made meals and I understand like the convenience of it, but it's all just rebranded junk and it's filled with so many artificial preservatives and just unnecessary ingredients. Like there's no reason for all of that. I mean, it looks appealing because they have all different types of flavors and combinations. But for me, it's not where I go to shop.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, I mean, the purpose of Trader Joe's. I don't care what anybody says. You're not only going there for their produce. I, I think that they offer a good produce selection and I think it's a lot of times cheaper. Yeah, but, but beyond that, you stop lying to yourself.

[Haley Karenina (Political Commentator)]

Stop.

[Interviewer]

Be honest.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

It is the ultra processed food in that store that hooks everybody. And it is good, as in it tastes good, but it is filled with crap. And they'll be like, well, they're. They don't have artificial dyes.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Okay. Okay.

[Interviewer]

They don't have artificial dyes, but they have five other things.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

So that's. I'm just like, people are obsessed with this store and I just think it is so unbelievably overrated and unhealthy.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

And they have great customer service, but so does Chick Fil A. And that's also just as bad.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah. I mean, I try to do, you know, swap videos and Trader Joe's or things that I would actually buy at Trader Joe's. And it's very, very, very hard. Like, I see things all the time and I'm like, oh, like this looks so good, but it's just filled with inflammatory oils and just like preservatives, carrageenan, like things that I just don't want in my food. And people just, I think if 50 of the store is frozen, like everything's in the frozen food section. Probably not the best for you.

[Interviewer]

How would you implement all of this health and wellness knowledge if you were about to start college and live on campus with a strict budget?

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Oh, my God. Just minimize, minimize, minimize. I think so many people think that they need so much. I think that's the problem with social, like, wellness social media is we tell everybody that we need everything, you know, we need all the supplements and all the things. And I always tell people that the first thing you need to do is get rid out of a lot of the things that you think that you need. Like, there's no reason you need five different cleansers and five different, you know, toners and skincare items. Like, my skincare routine is probably three things. And I'm like, good with that. We don't need all of the things, but I think especially moms who are buying their daughter's things for college, you know, like, it doesn't have to be the most expensive stuff. There's amazing, you know, teenager friendly skincare brands that aren't, you know, that you're going to find at Sephora and they're, you Know, filled with the synthetic fragrance and the endocrine disruptors. Especially like at that age. And I think especially for people in college, whether, you know, girls or boys, to don't get in. Not to really get into the alcohol hype too. Because I think once you start getting into the alcohol hype and going to the frat parties and the sorority houses and you start getting into drinking culture, your health is going to take a turn. I think everybody that I know that was in college, we all had terrible health. Like, yes, we ate terribly, but we drank on like Tuesdays and Thursdays. You know, like we were always just part of drinking culture. And you know, we have like an intern now that is just graduated college and she's like, I didn't drink in college. I'm like, is this the new generation? Like the new generation just not drinking.

[Interviewer]

Anymore, is embracing sobriety more than any other generation, I think, which is great. What I say to college kids is, and I know a bunch are about to start school. That's why I want to bring up this conversation because I do get asked sometimes is, I think, think one, if you're living on campus and in a dorm, sometimes your dorm will have a kitchen. So like no one uses that. Yeah, but you could, you could ask for a mini, you know, pots and pan set and then you could Aldi Walmart again, doesn't have to be organic if you can't afford it. Just getting real food ingredient food and then cooking meals. One, if you have access to the kitchen, use it. Two, if you are going to be eating on campus at their little restaurants and all that in the food court, then it's the real food items. Try not to just try to do like, you know, protein and vegetables and rice grain, those types of things. And I would say avoid all the fried stuff for sure.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

You know, I mean, I feel like I would like to see a little grassroots movement of all these college kids doing potluck style dinners.

[Interviewer]

Well, I also said, I mean this is going to take a special type of kid.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah.

[Interviewer]

But also I said, you know, here's the thing. You are paying that school. There you are the paying customer. If all of these kids rise up and say this is bs, we deserve better food options. I am paying to go here. You should give me access to better, real organic food. I feel like a lot of schools would start listening if you've got enough kids on campus rising ruckus about it.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah, no, I agree. I think more kids that, I mean. Yeah, it's just so hard. Like I'M hoping that the parents that are sending their kids to college will be the encouragers of doing something in that way. For me, it's. I, my heart hurts when I see all these pre teen and teenage girls stuffing their baskets at Sephora with just endocrine disruptors. And you're lathering it all over your bodies in your, you know, those are the years where your hormones are really developing. You know, you're getting into the years where you're probably gonna start thinking of kids after college. Right.

[Interviewer]

This is why the Jenna drunk elephant obsession at Sephora is so dangerous.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Zachary. Oh, 100%. Actually, I was gonna do a video on drunk elephant and a lot of these brands at Sephora because Sephora also has a quote unquote clean section. So does Target. A lot of brands are trying to create clean sections, and they are just nowhere close to my standard of clean. Like, many of them will allow fragrance, which if you aren't willing to disclose what that fragrance is, then it probably shouldn't be in the clean section. And all these girls are thinking, like, maybe I'm doing myself some justice by getting something in the quote unquote clean section. And it's still filled with potential endocrine disruptors.

[Interviewer]

So what, what actual clean brands are at Sephora?

[Health and Wellness Expert]

If I, if there are any, Let me think. Yeah, makeup wise Kosas Ilia rms. RMS is probably my favorite one. Those are like the top three that.

[Interviewer]

I think origins truly clean. Or maybe they do fragrance.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

I don't think they are totally caudally is not clean.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Ooh.

[Health and Wellness Expert]

Yeah. That is not a clean brand.

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Tptpusa.com we love seeing all of your emails. We like sending the hilarious memes. There are a bunch of you that send us very, very funny memes and very funny videos that unfortunately are a little bit too spicy for us to play here to put on this show, which again, I appreciate. I appreciate them for the laughs that I get. I appreciate just laughing for myself while I'm at my house or wherever I am looking at the emails go. That's, that's funny. I can't play it, but that's funny. So. DPT tbsa.com you can email your thoughts stories. We need to be talking about anything you want. Tpt not anything you want. I, you know, there's some things that I don't care about. I don't care about some, you know, personal, some, some disagreement you have with the fence line, with your neighbor. I don't care about that. But other than that, anything you want. TPTP USA.com let's get into some interesting videos today. We've got a little bit of time so we've got a little bit of time to discuss some more nuanced things. Some things that might sound great if you're a 20 year old with zero world experience, but I want to play this video from I believe he's an assemblyman at the time is you're going to recognize this guy's face, ma'. Am, Danny over there in New York as an assembly member talking about how. Well, let me rephrase that. I'm not sure if he's an assembly member when recording this video. This is a video that he put out talking about how he's going to restructure housing. And we'll talk about how bad these ideas are and why they are such awful ideas after this. Watch this and we'll discuss Further toward the Vienna model, we'll have to go beyond the market. We can establish community land trusts to gradually buy up housing on the private market and convert it to community ownership. We can give tenants a right of first refusal to buy out their landlords when buildings go up for sale. And we can fully commit to a new era of social housing, ending subsidies for luxury housing development and using our wealth to build beautiful, high quality social housing projects that offer good homes and strong communities to everyone. We won't decommodify housing overnight, but we know what we have to do. Okay, so he's made three different and all equally interesting points. The last one is kind of broad. He's like, we can, we can decommodify housing. I mean, I don't need to go into the reasons why that's a bad idea. You have to incentivize people to do good things or else they won't do the good things. The second point he made was kind of interesting. Tenants get first right of refusal if somebody wants to sell the building. Okay, well, the potential problems that would come from that is, so if I own a building and I want to sell that building, I have to give my tenant the right to refuse. That's what right of refusal means. Okay, well, what, what price is the government stepping in and telling me, well, I have to sell it to this tenant at this rate, because this is what their rent is. Maybe they're paying super undervalued rent and therefore it doesn't equate to what the building is actually worth. There's a lot of problems that go on there, especially if it's mandated that I have to make sure my tenant doesn't want to buy the property first? And if they do, can they tie me up in some sort of legal battle which diminishes the value of the property on the open market? There's lots of problems with that. But I think the one big one that I think was really interest is talking about forming community trust. I forget what he calls it. Specifically where they can buy up houses on the private market. This is where I feel like a bunch of 20 year old libs would go, wow, that that's a great idea. And then we can all collectively own it. Here is the massive and glaring problem. And interestingly enough, I know several people that are experiencing this sort of thing right now. When a government enters into the bidding process for houses, one thing that the government can do that the private sector cannot, and this is not a good thing that they can do. This is they can issue their own debt in order to outbid the private sector. In other words, if a house or a building, let's just say, is worth a million dollars. Okay? And just using round numbers here, a private sector owner can come in and say, I will give you, you know, $800,000 or a million dollars. They can even go up to $1.2 million. But at a certain point, the ability to buy that house needs to be rooted in what the building is actually valued at. Then comes in the government, and that house, which is worth building is worth a million dollars. You know, might fluctuate a little bit depending on who's bidding and why they're bidding on it for in the private sector. Then the government comes in and says, no, I'm buying it and I'm buying it for $2 million. Well, it would be ridiculous of the owner to not sell to the government. The problem is the government doesn't have the money to buy that building. Instead, they've issued debt. And then therefore, the people that are being represented by said government now have that debt saddled upon them. So the government now owns the building, bid out or outbid all of the other private sector individuals who wanted to purchase that building. The government then has no incentive to upkeep the building because why would they? And is now saddled with a bunch of debt which nobody wants to pay, because while the dilapidated building isn't worth $2 million. So why are we going to pay this back? Except for the fact that they have to? Because there's a fiduciary duty for people to have to pay their debts back. The whole thing to be said is when the government bids on things and can issue debt, unlike people in the private sector, they're going to inflate the value and saddle the voters or the constituents with the debt that they use to irresponsibly buy a thing they couldn't freaking afford. That took up a lot more time than I thought it was going to. I mean, I'm passionate about this sort of stuff because like I said, it is going on in a place that I know and love. And the, the municipality in question is buying up property with money they don't have issued on debt that's going to be saddled to the, to the, to the, the individuals in the city, and that is the government. That's why people don't compete with the government. That's why the grocery store owners in man, Manhattan or New York as a whole say, I, I will leave. I will not compete with someone that has Leverage that I do not have in the free market. Wow. Like I said, that took a lot longer than I thought it was going to. I'm not even sure we have time to play clip two. Let's go to clip three because I think this is much shorter and I think illustrates the point to the point where I don't have to ramble on about it afterward. Watch this and we'll briefly discuss before we gotta. We gotta sign off. Check this out. I know this is an outdated term, but is cultural appropriation not a thing anymore?

[Turning Point USA Representative]

I don't think you're Middle Eastern. You can't wear that scarf, like, technically magna.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

These.

[America Fest Announcer]

Cultural appropriation.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

That's shame. Shame.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Shame, Shame. You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

No, I'm gonna film it right now.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Look at that.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

That is a white person. That is a white person. Shame. Shame. His cultural appropriation. Shame.

[America Fest Announcer]

You have a good point.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

Shame. You have a great point, man. I'm shaming her because she's white and.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

She'S wearing a Middle Eastern headdress.

[Joe Bob (Host of Turning Point Tonight)]

It's really not okay. I love. I love throwing liberal logic right back in their face. I also the narcissism of the young lady wearing whatever it is that she was wearing. To just stay there and think that I can solve this problem. Then you just walk away when that sort of thing is happening. So dumb on two fronts. That's gonna do it for us here at Turning Point tonight. Charlie's gonna take us out. We will see you same time, same place tomorrow. God bless America. And so the Democrats have actually been.

[Charlie Kirk]

Focused on this, then this is what Obama unlocked for them. Obama was able to get people up, out and get people excited. This is actually where they're struggling is because they're at the national level, really lacking that interest. Our side has to realize that and realize, hey, moving forward, you know, after Donald Trump, you're going to have to make sure that the people love, want to get up and work for that person who's running.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

So part of what we are building, and more specifically what you are building, that you know we're doing together, is trying to build an outside party organizational apparatus that is not at odds necessarily with the establishment Republican Party at all times. We'll pick some fights every so often where ness if they go out of control, like Liz Cheney or McConnell.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, destructive stuff.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

But instead it is an outside organization. What can an outside organization do that the party itself cannot do? Again, I'm not knocking the rnc. I get along with Chairman Whatley. He's running for the Senate. We've come a long way since Ronna McDaniel McRomney. And Tyler deserves credit because he picked the fight first. We just finished it. And I believe that if she would remain chairman, Donald Trump would not be president today. I'm sorry. I could prove that point. I think if Ronna would have stayed and ran the rnc, Donald Trump would not have won in November. I think she would have prevented Donald Trump's victory, believe it or not. No question anyway. And that's not a knock at Trump, that's just a knock at Ronna. But, so, but, Tyler, what can an outside organization do? Why is it different? How is it funded differently? What are the flexibilities? Why does it matter?

[Charlie Kirk]

So everybody knows there's a number of different things that the party can't do that outside or nonprofits can do. And the first and foremost, and the first big problem is just funding limitations. Parties can only accept so much money.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

In most states, $900,000 a year.

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah. But then it drills down into candidates.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

So it's very complicated.

[Charlie Kirk]

Candidates can only collect so much per person per year. When you get into the outside, obviously, we know independent expenditures, things like that, but this is the problem that exists. The candidate cycle in America is essentially two years. Right. So most people don't announce that they're running more than two years before they're actually going to run. It's typically less than that. The average is usually less than a year, believe it or not. And there's no possible and fundamental way that you can build a campaign infrastructure that can do all the things that are necessary to win if the other side is doing them full time. So the first and foremost is hiring door knockers, hiring people that are gonna make, build and effective relationships for you out in the field. The second is legal. There's no way that you're going to be able to fight a fight with someone in the. In the remaining 60 days of the election if your opponent's been basically crafting an entire legal strategy against you for two to four years. And this is part of what the lawfare thing has been. Has been done to Donald Trump that nobody ever talks about. And to you is the outside. Yeah. And to me, which is, you know, we're winning this thing. But. But, you know, you have a real struggle with that. The third thing which is most critical with parties that people never talk about, too, is that most people don't realize those that have been involved, who here has been involved with, like, their local Republican Party. Okay, a little more Than half the room, if you've ever walked in.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

That's good, though. That's more than expected.

[Charlie Kirk]

When you walk in, how has your experience been in that. In that fundamental time?

[Turning Point USA Representative]

The DMV is better.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a little. It's a little crazy.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

I'd rather go through tsa.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's a little gritty. Sometimes you walk in, there's like kind of just fighting happening that's going on. You don't really know what's going on.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

And people, they have fax machines, everybody.

[Charlie Kirk]

Some of it's really old. So when I took over, when I was the county chairman of Maricopa county over 10 years ago now, it's amazing. Ten years ago, I was in my mid-20s, and my average precinct committeeman was 71. So there's sometimes a cultural divide that happens. But the most critical part is that most of those jobs for leadership are two years or less. Right. So they're two years. The average state party chair, Charlie, only serves for a year. States like Hawaii have gone through, like, five or six the last couple years. So you have a real problem when you have the party leadership only being able to survive for months. And by the time they get in, they get their feet wet. They're figuring it out. It's already six months down the road. They're almost checking out by the time they check in. So there's no way for the party itself to actually do the job that everyone claims when they become chair that they're doing.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

Yes.

[Charlie Kirk]

And that's. That was the Rona problem that you brought up, the fundamental problem with Ronna. She was going across the entire country telling everyone she was doing all the work that was necessary to win. And upon further inspection, none of that was being done.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

So. So then how are we at turning point action going about fixing this?

[Charlie Kirk]

Yeah, so the outside model works. We proved that this last election cycle, the largest swing of any state was Arizona. And it wasn't by any mistake. It was hard nose to the grindstone, boots on the ground, as Charlie says, tennis shoes and clipboard work.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

We gave it all we had.

[Charlie Kirk]

That was throwing absolutely everything you possibly can.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

We threw everything we had everything.

[Brylan Hollyhan (Political Commentator)]

Everything.

[Charlie Kirk]

I mean, we literally just like, unleashed on the state. And the outcome was exactly what we expected, was that there was a. We had a body of about 400,000 people who did not vote in 2016 or 2020. And Charlie brought up something earlier today that was a really funny story. We had people that we knocked on their doors. They were the biggest Trump fans that you've ever seen in your entire life. In fact, there was one story I tell all the time. A guy, we knock on his door, he did not vote in the last two elections, including 2020. Knock on his door and start talking to him. He's like, what do you do for work? And our person said, oh, I work for Turning Point. They're like, wait a minute. They close, slammed the door, run around to their garage, open up their garage, over the garage, and it's like a shrine to Trump. Every Trump flag that you can possibly have. And on top of that, Turning point, because in 2020 and 2022, the Republican Party ran out of yard signs for Trump. So we started producing our own. We produced tens of thousands of yard signs in key target states and gave them out. This gentleman had every single Turning Point action, yard sign for Trump. Did not vote in that election. Did not vote in that election.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

It's a real thing, guys.

[Charlie Kirk]

And Charlie, the number one thing that we ask people, we assume that when we talk to people, their number one reason for not voting was they just didn't care about voting.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

Not true.

[Charlie Kirk]

It's not true.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

That's not right.

[Charlie Kirk]

The number. You don't remember what, they don't know how, they didn't know how, or they thought they already did.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

Well, that's the other thing, right? They said, I voted for Trump in the primary two years ago. Doesn't that count? Can't they just, like, grandfathered in?

[Charlie Kirk]

This guy who did not. This guy who did not vote, had voted sporadically in primaries. He had voted sporadically in other midterm elections or not less important elections, like, like city council stuff that's off the grid and stuff like that. So he was kind of in and out, but missed the presidential, the big.

[Turning Point USA Representative]

One, because he thought he missed the Kerry Lake election.

[Charlie Kirk]

And he swore up and down he had voted.

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