Real America’s Voice

Episode 250: “What is the Plan!? | MINNESOTA REPUBLICANS w/ Professor Penn & A.K. Kamara”

Date: October 29, 2025
Host: David Penn (“Professor Penn”)
Guest: A.K. Kamara (National Committeeman)

Episode Overview

This episode features a comprehensive discussion between Professor Penn and Minnesota RNC Committeeman A.K. Kamara about the current and future direction of the Republican Party in Minnesota. The conversation probes party strategy, the divide between the “old guard” and new populist conservatives, the challenge of reaching voters in a changing media ecosystem, and the importance of building a digital and grassroots movement. They also dissect core issues: election integrity, shifting demographics, the role of Trump and “America First” policies, the threat of globalism, and why truth and authenticity matter for the party’s future.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Building a Digital Army and Grassroots Momentum

• The Need for a Digital Movement:

  • Both Penn and Kamara encourage listeners to repost links to podcasts and videos, arguing that the party needs a “digital army” to bypass both legacy media and institutional barriers.
    • “We have to have a digital army of hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans. Repost the links… Find people like this podcast. Share it everywhere—because it’s pushing back against the legacy media’s narrative that is 100% supporting the leftist Marxists and the uniparty.” – A.K. Kamara, [08:43]
  • Kamara describes his PowerPoint given to BPOUs that lays out how Trump can win Minnesota by appealing to non-traditional voters through a diverse coalition and media amplification.
    • “Trump’s messaging, the platform issues that he ran on, are wildly popular with non-traditional Republicans… What do we need to win in Minnesota? Non-traditional Republicans.” – Kamara, [10:46]

• Balancing Entertainment and Mobilization:

  • Professor Penn notes the need to balance entertaining content with strategic mobilization, affirming his goal is “building an army.”

2. The Minnesota GOP and Internal Divisions

• Old Guard vs. Populist Conservatives:

  • The hosts identify a rift within the party: “globalist” Republicans vs. Trump-aligned America First populists (“pop cons”). They discuss whether old-guard Republicans oppose party transformation out of malevolence or simply entrenched beliefs.
    • “The party has this cleavage… a group espousing a kind of Republicanism, which I consider to be the hijacked model—a globalist Republicanism.” – Penn, [25:29]
  • Kamara argues many old-guard Republicans are well-intended but misguided:
    • “Unless I have something that can show me the intent of someone… if I agree that they want to have the same thing as me... I take them at their best, not their worst.” – Kamara, [28:23]
  • Both agree that party-wide unity is crucial but note recurrent problems with resistance from institutional party leadership, especially in suburban CD3 and CD6.

• Party Endorsements and Unity:

  • Both promise to back endorsed candidates post-primary, even if philosophical differences remain:
    • “The day after the primary, whoever’s [nominated], I’m door knocking for them.” – Penn, [27:01]

3. Changing Demographics & the Trump Coalition

• Trump and the New Non-Traditional Coalition:
  • Kamara details how Trump’s campaign has surpassed Reagan-era GOP in minority and non-traditional outreach, though he notes Trump still underperforms with white voters compared to Reagan.
  • Professor Penn: “MAGAs can win here… If you want to win in Minnesota, you lean into what Trump ran on.”
  • Kamara: “Trump… won the largest percentage of non-traditional, non-white voters that came over to the Republican side than any [recent] Republican… Embrace the values that Trump represents.” [85:05]

4. Populism, Globalism, and the Threat to Sovereignty

• Globalism’s Local Impact:

  • Penn links international trade, global institutions, and local consequences:
    • “International trade is already world governance. It was the Trojan horse to bring about world governance. And Trump’s thrown some sand in those gears right now.” – Penn, [35:12]
  • Kamara and Penn agree that globalist economic models have eroded American sovereignty and that both parties—historically—compromised core republican values.

• Constitutional Republic vs. Multicultural Democracy:

  • Kamara (citing Civil War historians):
    • “We are entering the Civil War period… a constitutional republic versus a multicultural democracy. That is the battle that is occurring right now… The people at the core of everything are who we are fighting for to empower and give them back the agency that our constitutional republic demands…” [48:21]
  • Penn draws analogies to “neo-slavery” via permanent underclass, linking current immigration policy and automatic voter registration to power consolidation. [54:31, 54:38]

5. Election Integrity, Grassroots Structure, and Party Reform

• Grassroots Engagement:

  • Both bemoan lack of activity at the precinct level and argue that for true change, every precinct needs active Republican organizers:
    • “Every precinct needs a precinct chair. How are we going to get those people out to vote if nobody’s talking to them?” – Penn, [90:35]
    • “That’s how it is across the whole state. We need people out in precincts… Just watching, being someone that can communicate.” – Kamara, [97:40]

• Election Reform:

  • They discuss historic and recent failures on election integrity, noting the narrative within the party often discouraged discussion:
    • “[Randy Sutter] said, you must commit to me this is 21, you must commit to me personally and promise me that you will never talk about election integrity issues.” – Penn, [94:25]
  • Kamara admits the narrative after 2020 was that talking fraud could demoralize GOP voters, but now believes solutions must be matched to complaints. [95:21, 97:04]

6. Policy Focus: Getting on Message

• Adopting the GOP Platform & Trump’s Agenda 47:
  • Kamara urges candidates and party activists to know and promote Trump’s 20-point Agenda 47, now the official GOP platform.
    • “If you go to gop.com/gop.org and you look at the party’s platform, those are President Trump’s 20 campaign issues… Republicans just need to follow those.” [85:05]
  • Penn: “Candidates… need to go… and see what it is you’re supposed to be pitching. You’re a salesman until you’re elected—so let’s at least all get on the same product page.” [119:57]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Building a Digital Movement:
  • "I'm trying to create a digital army… I'm saying constantly, to my people… we have to have a digital army of hundreds of thousands of Minnesotans." – A.K. Kamara, [08:07]
• On Old Guard Republicanism:
  • “There's been no endorsements, there's been no primaries, but the same folks are waiting in the weeds and they're stabbing people in the back before we're even into a contest. I got a problem with that.” – Professor Penn, [25:00]
• On Globalism and Party Betrayal:
  • “Why would you subordinate American interests to global governance? And that's my point. That's why I'm not going to give these people the pass that you are.” – Penn, [35:12]
• On Free Market vs. Planned Economy:
  • “The system that we have created is not free market capitalism in any way, shape or form...President Trump…realizes how weak America has become. He's trying to cut against the inevitability of what happens when the centralized plan systems fail.” – Kamara, [40:45], [43:00]
• On Civilizational Stakes:
  • “If this effort fails…all the pieces have been put on the board… Culmination… Digital ID… Social credit score… easily controlled by a very small group of people… There is just no way to stop it.” – Kamara, [113:46]
• On Telling the Truth and Party Reform:
  • “Tell the truth or at least don’t lie… That’s my fundamental cornerstone for my party. Tell the truth. There is no spiritual anything if we live a lie.” – Penn, [124:49]

Segment Timestamps

• [00:00 - 03:00] – Introductions, banter, guest backgrounds
• [06:42 - 08:43] – Building a digital army, cross-promotion, and audience strategy
• [09:16 - 12:18] – Kamara’s BPOU presentations, flipping Minnesota “red” with non-traditional coalitions
• [12:18 - 14:33] – Media narratives, “Precarious State” docu-discussion, the failures of legacy media
• [15:10 - 18:40] – How to “hasten the death” of legacy media and the existential stakes for 2026
• [24:59 - 35:12] – Local-global political disconnect, Republican infighting, depth of old vs. new conservatism, role of globalism
• [40:44 - 43:44] – Free market capitalism, economic order, contrasts between US and China, Trump as system “saver”
• [48:21 - 52:14] – The constitutional republic vs. multicultural democracy, migration, and the new political “civil war”
• [54:31 - 63:07] – Neo-slavery, party authenticity, party unity, experience with local party structures
• [72:37 - 81:57] – On building precinct power, intra-party reminisces, pressures on Republican strategy
• [84:58 - 89:42] – Trump’s Agenda 47, the new GOP platform, how to flip Minnesota
• [90:35 - 95:15] – Precinct organization, need for on-the-ground Republican presence
• [97:07 - 100:55] – Election judging, restoring election integrity, voting, party structure
• [106:14 - 113:46] – Party authenticity, Tom Emmer’s role, GOP national leadership, dangers of digital ID
• [119:56 - 122:08] – Policy messaging, candidates as salespeople, advocating for civil activism
• [124:49 - End] – Telling the truth as a spiritual and strategic imperative

Action Items & Closing Push

• Go to the RNC website and study the 20-point Agenda 47. (“We gotta remember the 20 ideas that are on the RNC”—[119:56])
• Engage locally: Take ownership of your precinct, organize neighbors, volunteer as an election judge, attend local meetings.
• Share/Amplify Independent Media: “Repost the links… Find podcasts like this—push back against legacy media.”
• Commit to Party Unity after Primaries: Both hosts emphasize backing the endorsed candidate as a must for general election success.

Final Thoughts

This episode offers not just a checklist for Republican activists but a reflective diagnosis of the party’s present schisms, the threat posed by globalism and centralized planning, and a call to arms for ordinary citizens to reclaim party (and national) sovereignty. For “Minnesota Republicans,” authenticity, local engagement, and a united front on common ideas (the new GOP platform) are non-negotiable for reclaiming not just wins, but the very meaning of republican self-government.