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Summary

Real Coffee with Scott Adams — July 15, 2026 (Spotify)

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In this dynamic episode, Erica, Marcella, and Owen host a morning roundtable infused with lively audience interaction, witty banter, and deep dives into current events—all through the "persuasion filter" popularized by Scott Adams. Special guest Joel Pollock joins to share an exclusive and tantalizing update on the forthcoming Scott Adams biography, while the team also spotlights issues of trade skills, political misdirection, systemic fraud, and independent journalism.

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Episode Breakdown

Opening & Simultaneous Sip ([01:20])

• Host banter and informal introductions. Marcella and Owen riff on morning energy (“Oh. Oh, and so chipper.” - Erica [00:07]) and audience shoutouts.
• Simultaneous Sip: Scott Adams extols the power of a collective moment of solidarity, humorously noting, “there is no violence, there is no ugliness in the world during the simultaneous sip.” ([01:20])
• Inside Joke: Erica reveals Owen used to "resist" the sip out of concern for “hypnosis.” ([02:12])

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The Revival of the Trades & Jamie Dimon's Perspective ([04:33])

• Clip: Jamie Dimon, JPMorgan CEO, celebrates the resurgence of American shipbuilding at the Philadelphia Navy Yard. Calls for 300,000 new electricians, welders, and skilled workers. “The arsenal of democracy has been reignited...” ([04:33])
• Panel reactions: Erica loves the move and government-backed job creation. Owen raises strategic concerns about the future of big ships in an era of drones and high-tech warfare, but recognizes strong government backing makes the move financially safe. ([05:54])
• Marcella agrees: Sees value in investing in skill-building and technology, referencing Star Trek’s cloaking device as emblematic of unforeseen tech advances. ([08:25])
• Maker versus Taker: Erica references the “maker, not taker” concept popularized on the All-In Podcast, urging listeners to be “makers.” ([09:09])

Notable Quote

"We’re doing our part to help, you know, protect the future of freedom and the future of America."
— Jamie Dimon ([05:42])

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Hoaxes, Media Mistrust, & Chamath’s Trump Reversal ([10:19])

• Clip: Chamath Palihapitiya of All-In Podcast admits, “most of us were lied to by the media about President Trump.” Recounts his own change of heart after direct experience, calling Trump “fantastic.” ([10:19])
• Panel Discussion:
  • Erica expresses conflicted surprise: “How are you so brilliant, and you don’t know that that was all BS and you didn’t do any, like, fact checking?” ([11:16])
  • Marcella suggests tech billionaires lived in a “bubble” insulated from consequences until recently, but credits Chamath’s apparent sincerity: “I think he’s being genuine.” ([12:41])
  • The discussion pivots to Silicon Valley’s shifting perceptions and allegations of opportunism among tech elites.

Notable Quote

“I got it totally wrong... We got it totally, totally wrong. We were lied to. And then I got to know him and he is fantastic.”
— Chamath ([10:19])

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Exclusive: The Scott Adams Biography (w/ Joel Pollock) ([15:14]-[36:40])

Joel Pollock’s Update

• Writing Process: Joel details working with editor Joshua on the second draft: “he gave me 357 notes and then another... 90-something corrections. So about 450-some odd, you know, things to deal with.” ([18:26])
• The Archive: Shares stories from Scott’s personal joke index cards: “Thousands of jokes in these index card holders... Some of them are so funny... It is incredible.” ([25:57])
• Audiobook Question: Joel prefers author-read audiobooks but acknowledges the challenge—considers an AI option, but doubts its value: “AI writing is mostly garbage.... Books are a particular experience.” ([24:49])

Mystery Angle

• Joel teases a hidden mystery at the heart of the biography: “There’s a mystery the book is going to solve... something about Scott that nobody understood.”
  “When you find out, it's gonna make your mind and your heart explode at the same time.” ([29:47], [36:18])

Notable Quotes

“To have a project where you discover something that you didn’t know before and didn’t even know to ask about before is pretty incredible.”
— Joel Pollock ([29:56])

“Scott used to say... whenever he wanted to think of whether something was funny or not, he would think about whether his brother would laugh at it. So in a sense, Dave was Scott’s comic muse.”
— Joel Pollock ([34:22])

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Fraud, “Rich-Looking” Americans, and Systemic Corruption ([39:15])

• Spotlight on Journalist Nick Shirley: Recognized by J.D. Vance for investigative work exposing government fraud in benefits and contracts.
  “If Nick Shirley wasn’t curious and fearless... we wouldn’t really know about it.” ([39:52])
• Scott Adams on Visible Wealth: Scott’s long-standing theory: “There just seem to be way too many people who have nice houses and nice cars compared to the number of good jobs... I kept thinking, what percentage... got it from crime?... It might be as high as 50% of all rich people are criminals.” ([40:43])
• Marcella’s Regional Insight: Pushes back, attributing much wealth in Silicon Valley to tech money and government contracts—sometimes legally dubious, but not classic fraud. ([42:29])

Notable Quote

“It might be as high as 50% of all rich people are criminals... these white collar, corrupt NGO money laundering situations.”
— Scott Adams ([41:46])

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Government Retaliation, The “Stop Nick Shirley Act”, and Harassment Laws ([45:07])

• Nick Shirley Criticizes California’s Governor: “Let’s go after the guy who’s exposing the fraud. Let’s not go after the fraudsters.”
• Marcella contextualizes recent legislation: The so-called “Stop Nick Shirley Act” expands definitions of harassment, potentially targeting investigative reporting, though not called that officially. ([46:18])

Notable Quote

“These tax dollars don’t say right or left on them.... When they go in and steal these dollars from us, they’re robbing everyone.”
— Nick Shirley ([45:46])

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Independent Journalism & Political Accountability ([48:44])

• Sarah Gonzalez confronts Senator Thom Tillis: Questions his campaign funding from “illegal labor lobby” after he votes against the Save America Act.
• Tillis dodges, belittles her: “Do you honestly believe I would make a policy decision based on that?” and “Good luck on your clicks.”
• Panel dissects evasive rhetoric: Reference Scott Adams’ view—honest people simply deny accusations, guilty ones obfuscate. ([51:05])

Notable Quotes

“I think your constituents want to know why you’re betraying them.”
— Sarah Gonzalez ([49:22])

“He didn’t right away said, ‘I’m not guilty.’... Instead you would say, ‘I wasn’t at that place at that time’ instead of negating the actual question.”
— Marcella ([51:05])

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Reflections on Elections & Representation ([53:32])

• Panel expresses frustration with lack of fair elections, bipartisan self-preservation:
  “Only the voters want fair elections, it seems.” — Marcella ([53:36])
• Confusopoly: Reference to deliberate legislative confusion as a tool for political manipulation.

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Pattern Recognition & Human Psychology ([57:34] – [61:19])

• Akira the Don Remix: Closing segment features a musical track sampling Scott Adams’ commentary:
  “Once you realize that humans are not logical machines, we’re pattern recognition machines. Your patterns are all you have... But you can also use patterns to convince people of things if you are consistent. Patterns are a tool, but they're also our biggest defect.” ([57:34])

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Memorable Moments & Quotes with Timestamps

• Erica on Scott’s archives: “I have questions... Is the biography going to have an audio version and did Scott say who he wanted to read it?... It’s me. No, I’m just kidding.” ([23:04])
• Joel Pollock on the archives: “One of the most interesting things he has is a set of metal boxes that has index cards... every idea he had for jokes... Unification theory: Elvis killed Kennedy.” ([25:57], [27:26])
• Chamath's Trump Epiphany: “We got it totally, totally wrong. We were lied to.” ([10:19])
• Nick Shirley on government priorities: “The governor of California is an enemy to the people of California. He's literally working to support the fraudsters.” ([45:07])
• Scott Adams on wealth and crime: “I mean, it might be as high as 50% of all rich people are criminals.” ([41:46])
• Sarah Gonzalez's retort to Senator Tillis: “Good luck on yours.” ([49:56])
• Marcella’s bluntness: “Only the voters want fair elections, it seems.” ([53:36])

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Notable Segments (Timestamps)

• [01:20] – Simultaneous Sip and community ritual
• [04:33] – Jamie Dimon on the resurgence of the trades
• [10:19] – Chamath Palihapitiya admits media manipulation on Trump
• [15:14]-[36:40] – Joel Pollock’s deep-dive on the Scott Adams biography and the “mystery”
• [39:15] – J.D. Vance & Nick Shirley: Exposing state-level fraud
• [40:43] – Scott Adams theorizes on the prevalence of white-collar crime in visible wealth
• [48:44] – Sarah Gonzalez’s showdown with Senator Tillis
• [57:34] – Akira the Don’s “Pattern Recognition” remix

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Final Thoughts

This edition of Real Coffee with Scott Adams expertly fuses behind-the-scenes revelations, pointed social critiques, and the unique energy of a devoted community. The episode’s tone is alternately irreverent, earnest, and fiercely inquisitive, encouraging listeners to think for themselves and scrutinize the official narrative—just as Scott Adams would have wanted.

Closing Advice:

“Be useful, make good decisions, and watch a Scott YouTube video today... Indulge.”
— Erica ([57:16])

Transcript

[Erica]

Think I did.

[Marcella]

I think you did.

[Erica]

Okay. Whew. Good morning.

[Owen]

Good morning, everyone.

[Erica]

Oh. Oh, and so chipper.

[Marcella]

Good morning.

[Erica]

I like you when you're chipper. Oh. When, like, you're, like, all excitable.

[Owen]

I see Kevin and Beverly and Gracie.

[Marcella]

Excitable.

[Erica]

I need one of those mirrors, like, Romper room, so we can actually do Romper Room. Like, I see Smar. I see Crusher. That's a big good morning, you guys. Good morning, YouTube, Spotify, rumble, locals, and X Rumble. Come on in. There's Rumble. Rumble just kicked in. Here we go. Oh, see, now I can hear everybody. Hello, Mike. All right, you guys, welcome in here. We are the home team together again. So listen, Joel Pollock, I think we'll be stopping by. He wants to update us about the Scott Adams biography. Cannot wait. Did you guys see the post? Joel and Joshua working on the book together. Very exciting. So here's my warning. Stella is very chatty this morning, so we'll see how that goes. But anywho. All right, you guys, let's do it. It's time for the sip.

[Scott Adams]

Now, it has come to my attention that some of you fast forward past the simultaneous sip. Well, hell, you can do that, but you're missing the good stuff. It's the part where everybody comes together in this moment of solidarity. There is no violence. There is no ugliness in the world during the simultaneous sip. And all you need. All you need is a copper margarita glass, A tank or chalice or stein, a canteen jug or flask. A vessel of any kind. I like coffee. Join me now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better. It's called the simultaneous sip, and it happens.

[Erica]

Now.

[Unknown Narrator]

Go.

[Marcella]

Ooh.

[Erica]

There will be cursing. I guarantee it. No. So, Owen, he was talking to you. Because Owen has already confessed to us that sometimes he would skip the sip because he knew Scott was trying to hypnotize him and he wasn't going to let it happen. Right, Owen?

[Owen]

Early on, yeah, I was. I was a resistor, but I broke down

[Erica]

Sipper. I went for it. All right, you guys. So welcome in. It is July 15, 2026. My name is Erica. I am joined with my two amazing co hosts, Marcella and Owen. And. And you are at the Scott Adams School, which is different than this. Real coffee with Scott Adams, obviously. And all of Scott's amazing YouTube videos live on YouTube. And there's more on Locals.com, which is a subscriber base. But, you guys, I was watching one of Scott's shows, I often do in the morning. And I'll get you the date. I'll look in a minute. But it was so good. We had cursing because somebody dared bring up, you know, vaccine injuries. I was like, ooh, who is that? We had him talking about hoaxes about, you know, like, I feel like he hit every topic so far in this one. And I was like, oh, my God, this is like, we had drones. We. We had it all. So it was a fun show to listen to. And so I recommend you guys definitely go back through YouTube, just scroll through the years and just randomly pick on one and just enjoy it, because I do almost every day. All right, so that being said. All right, you guys, I have a couple of clips for you before Joel gets here, whenever he gets here. But the first one, I just. It ties into all of this talk we've been having about the trades and how. How much they're needed. And I am getting feedback from people that they're going to go into them themselves and they're going to encourage their kids to do the same. But here is one of the most financial savvy men on the planet, Jamie Dimon. And let's take a listen to what he's talking about today.

[Jamie Dimon]

We're sitting in the Philadelphia Navy Yard where we build ships. They build ships here that won the Revolutionary War, that helped win World War II. And so now you have this. The arsenal of. The arsenal of democracy has been reignited and shipbuilding. People said it couldn't happen. But here you have Hanwha Shipbuilding at the Philadelphia Navy Yard, which is going to be building components for nuclear submarines and major ships where. So we're just. We're just aiding here by doing some financing, you know, special kind of financing for Hanwha here. But very importantly. And this people have to remember, this is like one big complex ecosystem. We're also financing, you know, people. We need 300,000 electricians, welders, etc. To build ships in the next five or 10 years. So we're helping finance people who train people, who will train people here. There's 16,000 workers here. That number may very well double over the next five years as it builds more ships. And we build a lot of shipbuilding back to the United States. There's also a whole ecosystem here. I'm going to meet with roads, industry later. You know, There are probably 100 vendors who help supply all the things that take place here. So we're doing our part to help, you know, protect the future of freedom and the future of America.

[Erica]

I love that. I love, too, that they're going to help finance people who will, you know, like. Like pay for the training of these people. That's how desperate we are. What do you think about that, Owen? I think it's a great idea.

[Owen]

Well, I mean, I appreciate the role that he's playing in it. I'm a little conflicted about the whole let's get into shipbuilding again thing. I. I do think we probably never should have stopped, and I do think we should be the best, you know, shipbuilders and on the planet, just because we've always been the strongest Navy for however long I've been alive at least. And so I'm glad we're moving in that direction overall. But I just, I kind of wonder, like, what is the future? Because with all the drones and all this, like, it just seems like a big ship is going to be just a big target and know you can't get out of the way quickly. So, like, if you've got all these missiles and drones and things coming at you, how is that really going to work? And I, you know, maybe they've got stuff worked out with all the lasers and other things that they're putting on ships to try and protect them, but it just seems like a vulnerable spot when you can't move very easily in the water. But, you know, I'm glad the opportunity is there. It certainly seems like when you're backing things that the government is behind, it's a kind of a guaranteed bet. So I don't think Jamie Dimon is necessarily taking much of a risk with the financing because it's kind of like guaranteed government contracts. But, you know, hey, that's how things work in this country.

[Erica]

So, I mean, it helps with job creation, it helps the economy, it helps the military. You're learning a trade, a skill. And I was talking with some friends last week, and, you know, one of them is good friends with an electrician, and she was saying that he's so desperate for electricians that he's actually, you know, paying for them to get trained, and then they're, like, working right with him after that. So it's just, you know, it's so tough with the trades, but I do feel like the tide's turning. I feel like people are talking about it more, and it's 400,000 that they need with the welders and all the tradesmen to do these things. So I just found it interesting that he was talking about it. Marcela completely agrees, so that was easy for me. But also. Okay, so you guys, we're gonna keep following along with this, and I just love the pace that it's going on. And I love seeing you guys in here telling, telling us, you know, that your kids are doing these things or that you did it yourself and, you know, you're waiting for your son to become old enough so then he can do it. Don't worry. Marcela's back, you guys. They were like, where's Marcella? So, Marcela, did you get to hear Jamie and do you want to say anything about that?

[Marcella]

I think it's great. I agree with Owen. It's a big target, so you can get them. But I'm always a believer in technology, and we don't know what tech will bring us. I always think of Star Trek and the cloaking device of the ships, but anyways, that's just random. But I think overall, being able to have people that know how to build rather than take, make something rather than take something away, it's always great. And the fact that these companies are investing in the different employees that they have, that's always great.

[Erica]

I love that Chamath, you know, did that maker versus taker, because it's really, like, taken a hold and everybody's using that now. And I, I just think it's. It's like the perfect thing that we need to be thinking about is kind of like, ask not what your country can do for you. Right? Are you a maker? Are you a taker? I. I'd like to personally feel like I'm a maker, so I don't know, like, it's better to give than receive, right? Oh, God. Anyway, this group. Why am I even talking about this right now? Okay, sorry. I was thinking about all you freshies out there. Let me just move right along. So speaking of Chamath, I'm going to move on to him. This was. This is interesting in two ways, but let's play this clip. So Chamath, you guys, he's part of the all in podcast. He's also like a billionaire. Like, what would we call him? Venture capitalist, startup guy, tech guy, Great friends with David Sacks, who is working with the Trump administration. So let's listen to what. This kind of bothers me, but let's take a listen. I love it and I hate it. Let's go.

[Chamath]

The reality is that most of us were lied to by the media about President Trump. And if you just go back to the source material, you should take away two things. One, he didn't say half the things he said, and Two, why did these other people just fabricate what they wanted to say so that they could essentially assassinate his character? I think that that second thing is completely unacceptable in America and there's still been no repercussions, really. I took the time to learn about it. I admitted where, you know, the way that I met him was. I admitted on the pot, which, you know, has millions of viewers. And I said I got it totally wrong because I went and I watched Charlottesville and you know, the first person to call me, who is it? President Trump. And I got to know him and I put the phone down, I called my wife and I said, we got it totally, totally wrong. We were lied to. And then I got to know him and he is fantastic.

[Erica]

I love that he is fantastic. I love that. Like, I love what he's saying, but I, my God, did I just sound like a Valley girl? I love what he's saying, but the thing is, is like, how are you so brilliant? And you don't know that that was all BS and you didn't do any, like, fact checking or listening for yourself. And, you know, like, Cernovich had a post about this. Well, first of all, Cernovich thinks that he, Chamath, might be wanting to run for governor of California, but then he's also like, oh, you know, then these guys like, turn around and now, suddenly, you know, they're Trump bros. These are my wor know, now they're going to move to Texas and still complain about all the same stuff. And, you know, so they're, you know, it's kind of like, it's not that it's too little too late because it's always a great time to change your mind when you find out the new facts. But I don't know, I don't know what my take is. I don't know what my thing is with this. I generally love it. Marcela, I'm going to come to you first. I mean, just believing the news for so long and the hoaxes and. And I think what it is for me is that I feel like if you believed all those hoaxes and you believed the news, then you literally had to believe that anybody who was supporting our president or voted for him were the scum of the earth, which is like what a lot of them had said. Not Chamath, but I don't know. Why am I so annoyed with this?

[Marcella]

No, you know, I think Chamath, not knowing him personally, you know, I think he's being genuine. I think he sees how things have gone. I think in the past, Silicon Valley was, how would you say? They were sort of in their own bubble and nothing touched them because we didn't have certain governors that went in and created these, you know, the billionaire tax that they're talking about here in California. They were untouchable, basically. And so they were able to live this ideal dream of having the, you know, this tech and this type of politics. And yet nothing. They didn't see, they didn't see the outcome of it. But, you know, as we've gone along, we've seen the Democratic Party just like they have turn into a very leftist, extreme, communist driven party. So I think like, as they went along and realized this, although, you know, I do Cerno is correct in his criticisms of them, but I think they're very intelligent people and they're seeing the writing on the wall, they're seeing that these things are going to affect them. I think the issue is it's affecting them now. Right. Which is, which is fair, you know, like, you know, when something doesn't affect you, maybe you're not really involved, whatever, you know, So I think they see that. I'm, I'm very positive that Chamath is on President Trump's side. Very positive of that. However, you know, you never know where they're going to go.

[Erica]

They, they seem to with another election, the other.

[Marcella]

Yeah, with another election, with another party. So, you know, they, they're always changing, fluctuating. But I mean, I guess that's the name of the game for all of us, you know.

[Erica]

Well, and you know, my favorite, Jason, I mean, he took off to California and it's like, you know what I mean, to, to Austin, Texas. Yeah. And it's like, you know what? Stay there and fix it. You know, like, don't keep complaining and just run away. I don't know.

[Marcella]

I wanted to also clarify. David Friedberg was the one that talked about makers and takers in the all in pod, where Chamath is part of it, which I'm, I'm sure Chamath is in agreement with, but yes, for sure.

[Erica]

Good morning, Joel. Like hello with the guns. Let's go.

[Marcella]

You look very sexy today.

[Erica]

Oh, and you gotta level up tomorrow. It's so good to see you.

[Joel Pollock]

Thank you. Thank you. I just got off a red eye flight, so everything's kind of jumbled around in my head. But I have actually a very good excuse for being late, which is I was writing a page of Scott's biography and I went way over time, partly because I'm so tired, but Anyway, and I'm dressed up as I'm about to hopefully go for a quick run, although the oppressive heat in Washington, D.C. where I just landed is a bit of a disincentive.

[Erica]

But can we just unpack this for a minute, you guys? Like, I cannot. I have the hardest time getting, like, to a lunch date with friends, and I have all day to do it. Joel's like, I just got off a red eye. I was writing a page of his book. I know you're, you're doing your prayers and what you're thankful for. Now he's going to go in the oppressive heat and workout. And I'm like, lucky that I put lipstick on today. Like, that's so crazy. Yikes. I'm exhausted.

[Joel Pollock]

You know, I'm just grateful for the energy to do any of this. I mean, yeah, I usually can sleep on planes. This time I only slept for a couple of hours. I sort of have a, I have a formula for red eyes, which is kind of eat before you get to the airport or you bring. I actually usually bring sushi to the airport, eat at the airport, then I have some. I know Scott was very anti alcohol, but I basically have one serving of some alcoholic beverage and then I fall asleep on the flight and wake up on the other coast and I'm okay. This time it just didn't work. And I don't exactly know why, but I woke up in the middle of the night and then I just started working. So I haven't had as much sleep as I normally get on red eyes. And you don't get that much on red eyes, but at least usually I sleep the whole flight, and this time I didn't. And I never take any sleeping pills or anything like that. I'm very, I'm generally very wary of pills for anything. So not because I don't like swallowing pills. I'm just kind of like, why, why put extra stuff in your body? You know, most, most things you need a remedy for, you can, you can find.

[Erica]

Joel's so tired, he's exploring, explaining his pill popping wise. Joel, you're a brave man. Eating raw fish and then getting on a plane, that would be the last thing I would pick. Like that and a salad. Those are two things I would not eat before getting on a flight.

[Joel Pollock]

You know, I've never really had a problem as far as that goes. I mean, I, I, my wife's stomach is a lot more sensitive than mine. I like to joke that I basically have intestines of steel. Like, I can basically eat or Drink almost anything and nothing happens to me.

[Erica]

Oh, my God, you're so lucky. I'd be like, oh, no. Oh, all right. Well, that was. That was tmi. So anyway, Joel, I was telling everybody I, you know, I love the picture of you and Joshua working on the book on the Scott Adams biography. And I'm so glad you could come on and like, update us with that and whatever you want to tell us, like, we want to hear it. All

[Unknown Narrator 2]

right.

[Joel Pollock]

So last Monday, I got together with Josh. I finished the second draft about a week before that, and he spent a week going over it, and he gave me 357 notes and then another, I don't know, 90something corrections. So there was about 450some odd, you know, things to deal with. And we sat there and we kind of went over the book and he suggested a couple of things I needed to add into the book. The book right now or the draft is about a hundred thousand words, 100,000 words. I mean, it's probably about 400 pages. It's a little long, so I need to trim it while also adding material. So that's going to be challenging. I've interviewed over 30 people already for the book, so I've got to integrate that now. And I'm still interviewing people, I'm still asking people for interviews. And I'm going to add some structure into the book that I think will make it even more interesting. And I have to tell you, I've discovered things, even in the last week or so of sitting with, with Josh and just talking about Scott that I didn't know. And so I think it's going to blow people's minds, actually. I think I've spent a week sort of with my head having exploded and sort of trying to put it back together again. But Josh, yeah, Josh and I, basically, we, you know, he's from Cincinnati or Cincinnati area. So I flew to Cincinnati. We rented a hotel room for the day, a nice room near the airport with a desk and a couch, and just sat there and we worked. And I still had my regular work to do for my regular job. So I did that also and then got back on a flight and came back. And it wasn't so simple because I had to in both ends, both going to Cincinnati and coming from Cincinnati, I had flights that had stops in Nashville. So, you know, connecting through Nashville. Luckily, the weather was okay. I didn't have any major delays. But yeah, there was like this trek to Cincinnati. It took a lot of energy to do. And yeah, you have that picture of us working there. And what can I say? I mean, let me say this about Josh. Scott reached out to Josh when Scott got cancelled to publish Reframe youe Brain and to republish the works that he had the rights to that had been dropped by his publisher. And Scott was introduced to Josh and was told that Josh is the best editor out there. And that's how they interacted. And I'm suddenly getting messages from everybody. Sorry, I just got distracted. And you know, it was, it was something I realized just in, in the, in the day of working with Josh so intensely, just how good he really is. I mean, he's, he's incredible. And going through the, the notes and the edits that he, that he made on the second draft, they're just. They're just mind blowing, some of them. They're so good, they're so incisive. So. But yeah, I mean, I've. I have found things and I've. I've. You know, I don't wanna.

[Erica]

Yeah, I know.

[Joel Pollock]

I want to ask, but there's, there's so many. There's so much that's so interesting and there are some things that I found that are so funny that I wish Scott could have been here to joke around with. I. There are things I almost want to tease him about that are so funny. So, you know, you, you miss him every day, especially missing when you're doing a project like this. There are things I want to ask him. There are things I want to talk to him about. Obviously I can't do that. But you know, he, he had some really, really incredible things in his life. And. You know, I'll give you a little hint of something.

[Jamie Dimon]

So.

[Joel Pollock]

So in his archives he has like a couple of. Hold on. I have to. Sorry, I can't multitask right now. I'm a little sleep. I have to send somebody a message.

[Erica]

Okay, yeah, do that because I, I do have questions too, because I feel like I know the answer to this. But I. I'm wondering, is the biography going to have an audio version and disc Scott say who he wanted to read it and why? It's me. No, I'm just kidding. I'm so. Just kidding because I do. I love consuming books, you know, like through my, through my ears. So I'm just wondering if we're going to have that option.

[Joel Pollock]

An audiobook. I'd love to do an audiobook. They're pretty intense in terms of labor. You know, they're kind of labor intensive. I would love to do it. I've Done it with most of my other books. I've done it personally, you know, with my own voice, and it always improves the book. I mean, I sat there with a couple of the ebooks that I self published over the years. I did this last year before the fire, so two years ago, and I sat there and I would read through my books and record them. I set up my wife's closet to be a recording studio. And you'd find little mistakes that, you know, you hadn't caught before or little things you wanted to say differently. So you would go into the. You know, if it's self published, you can just change it online. It would probably make the draft better. You know, it would make Scott's biography better if I could read it aloud. Yeah, I mean, it's actually a great idea. It just takes so much time.

[Erica]

Yeah. But wait, Joel, before you go on, Owen, before you go, because he has to go, did you want to ask Joel anything about the book or.

[Owen]

Well, I would just mention, you know, I think I just posted a story, or at least I saw one that was saying that apparently people like AI narration of books better than humans now. So you might not have to. You can just have AI do it.

[Joel Pollock]

So I'll tell you something about AI and writing. I think AI, even though it's gotten so much better, I think AI writing is mostly garbage.

[Erica]

Reading, he's saying. Reading.

[Joel Pollock]

I mean, I just. Yes, people are used to the voice. I actually was walking around my neighborhood here, and there's a guy listening to a podcast and clip clearly the.

[Owen]

The.

[Joel Pollock]

Or listening to some audio. Clearly it was AI audio. Like an AI audio book. I get that. I get that. I just think that books are a particular experience, that if you can. You want to have the author's voice. I mean, it's not necessary. I've done books where someone else. I think I did one audiobook. One of my books was an audiobook that somebody else read in their own voice, a human being. But I think you've. You've kind of got to do it yourself. I mean, you're telling a story and.

[Scott Adams]

I don't know.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah, I mean, if maybe it'd be an AI option. I have no idea. I. I just think. I think, you know, if you can tell the story, it just. It's just so much better.

[Erica]

And you wrote it, so, you know,

[Owen]

I definitely like it when. When authors do that. I mean, I like it when the author reads the book, but I understand. It's a lot of work too, and

[Erica]

it's hard time yeah.

[Joel Pollock]

So let me. With my tired brain here, let me just tell you what I was gonna say before I got distracted. Sorry. I got called to do an interview, and so now I don't know where that person is, but Scott had this. Has this archive, and he has incredible material there from his early life. I mean, he probably threw a lot away, but he kept the essence of a lot of things. And one of the most interesting things he has is a set of metal boxes that has index cards in them where he wrote down every idea he had for jokes. There must be thousands of jokes in these index card holders. And some of them are so funny, and I don't know if he used some of them, but it's just incredible to flip through them. I mean, there's no way you can absorb all of that material. You know, I mean, it's, It's. But it is. It is incredible. I'll just try to. I really don't want to. Some of. Some of the best jokes are, like, stuck in my head. I kind of almost want to use them for the book, but I'll give you a hint as to one of them. He wrote down on one card. Unification theory. Elvis killed Kennedy.

[Erica]

Oh, my God, I love him.

[Joel Pollock]

Like, there's so many little things like that that I think some of them were things that people told him, you know, because he started putting his email in the Dilbert comic so that. When email was a new thing, so that people started contacting him and giving him ideas for the Dilbert strip. And so I think some of the things he wrote down were notes or. Or things that people suggested to him for Gilbert. But some things were simply just funny ideas that occurred to him. A lot of dad jokes, a lot of funny riddles. Knock, knock. Who's there? Anita. Anita who? Anita Punchline. You know, stuff like that. But, like, it's just thousands and thousands and thousands.

[Erica]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joel Pollock]

You look at this and you're like, how can one human being have had this many jokes? I mean, it's just, you know, and you hear about comedians doing this kind of thing, building a reservoir of material, and it's real. It's real and it's handwritten, most of it. And, you know, so writing this biography, you have access to that kind of thing, and it's just. It's just incredible. But there. But let me.

[Unknown Narrator 2]

Let me.

[Joel Pollock]

Let me say this before I. I guess, wrap up. There's a mystery that the book is going to solve. There's a mystery that this biography will solve. Josh has talked about it as a kind of catharsis. This whole book, for those who loved Scott. And yes, you will revisit things. You'll learn more about things you knew already. You know, you'll fill in things. You know, you'll see things that refer to other things. I mean, you'll experience the book. If you loved Scott and followed Scott for years, you'll experience it as a great connection to him. But there's also a mystery in the book. The book tries to solve a mystery, and that mystery is the most exciting thing about the book to me. There's something about Scott that nobody understood. And the book will tell you,

[Erica]

Joel, you tease. First the tank top and now this.

[Joel Pollock]

It's an incredible. I mean, to find this about Scott was just the most incredible thing. I mean, Josh and I. And Josh, if you're watching, don't. Don't spill the beans. Josh and I sat there. Josh, we were talking about this, and I sat there for a moment and just realized what we had just discovered. And there were no words, really, for a while. So I think there's a mystery here that I have to bring out a little bit more in the third draft, because I've only uncovered it as I've gone along. And in that sense, this has probably been the most exciting project I've ever done. Because you write things, you think you are sharing your ideas with people, you're telling an audience something that you know about. But to have a project where you discover something that you didn't know before and didn't even know to ask about before is pretty incredible. So there's a really exciting realization that I had. I had it last week in Cincinnati while Josh and I were working, and I now understand what the mystery is that the book has to solve.

[Erica]

Oh, shoot. I did not expect this turn of events. I'm very excited. I mean, can you not leave it 400, 500 pages long? You don't have to trim it, do you?

[Joel Pollock]

I do. I. It's you. I mean, I. I wrote the last biography I wrote. The first biography I wrote was. Was about 600 pages too long. I mean, the temptation when you write a biography is to put so much into it. The thing about Scott is he left such a huge archive of material. I mean, you can go. There are thousands of YouTube episodes and, you know, 30 years of Dilbert.

[Scott Adams]

I mean, it's.

[Joel Pollock]

It's so. There's so much there. I can't include all that in the book. So in a way that liberates me to sort of focus on the. The most important things. There are things people didn't know. There are things there are things people didn't know. There are things that will make you laugh and laugh and laugh.

[Erica]

I want to laugh.

[Jamie Dimon]

Yeah.

[Joel Pollock]

I'll just give you one. And this is a public one, so this is not. It's a public one, you. Where you probably haven't connected the dots yet, but it's based on public information, so I'm not giving you anything you didn't know already. But you remember Scott introduced an African American character for the first time.

[Erica]

Dave.

[Joel Pollock]

Dave, Right. Dave is an engineer. Dave is a black character who identifies as white. That's the gag of the whole thing. It was his way of kind of sending up the DEI culture, the woke culture that came in after 2020.

[Erica]

And Scott was identifying as black at that time.

[Joel Pollock]

Right. So Dave. Dave's the black engineer who identifies as white. So he messes everything up. Why did he name the guy Dave?

[Erica]

I. I don't know. I thought it was just because it was just like a plain Jane name. No, there was a reason.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Does anyone remember?

[Joel Pollock]

If you think about it hard enough, you'll figure it out.

[Erica]

Dave.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah.

[Erica]

I mean, I want to guess something, but I'm afraid to say it.

[Joel Pollock]

There are no wrong answers. No, there is. There are a lot of wrong answers, but there are no. There are no embarrassing answers.

[Erica]

All right, you say it.

[Joel Pollock]

No, you say it. I want to see if you can get it.

[Erica]

What do you think, Marcella? I'm going with his brother.

[Marcella]

You can read the chat. White name or his brother's name?

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah, it's his brother.

[Erica]

Okay. That's what I thought.

[Marcella]

And that's who. He made things like his jokes or something.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

He.

[Marcella]

He wanted him to visualize his brother telling him and make him laugh.

[Joel Pollock]

Right. So Dave is Scott's brother. Ah, Dave, by the way, is not short for anything. Dave Adams was born Dave Adams. Not David Adams. Dave.

[Erica]

Dave.

[Joel Pollock]

Just Dave. Says I'm just Dave. Just Dave. Yeah. Yeah. So. So Dave. Yeah. Scott had a constant back and forth with his brother. And Dave. Scott used to say when he. Whenever he wanted to think of whether something was funny or not, he would think about whether his brother would laugh at it.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Joel Pollock]

And if his brother would laugh at it, then it was funny. So. So in a sense, Dave was Scott's comic muse. And. And in a way, the black character is a tribute to his brother.

[Erica]

I love that.

[Marcella]

It's perfect.

[Joel Pollock]

His brother is not African American, by the way, but it's just. It's just it's part of the gag, you know, like, this is my brother Dave.

[Owen]

It's.

[Joel Pollock]

It's. It's almost a wink to his brother.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Joel Pollock]

You know, so the brother Dave. But as long as they're all identifying as black, I guess it doesn't matter.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Marcella]

I don't know if you know this, Joel, but when. When Scott was becoming famous, there was actually a Scott Adams who was African American that worked somewhere in Pleasanton, and they actually were thinking that he was the one that was doing the Stillberg Cartoo. So that kind of implicitly goes with the whole Dave character. Like, maybe there could be somebody.

[Joel Pollock]

I might have to use that. Yeah. There's also a Scott Adams who played college football. And initially, if you. If you Googled Scott Adams, I don't know why, but for a while, it would bring up the college football player. Maybe because Scott was so canceled that they kind of had stopped linking the traffic about the cartoonist and political commentator Scott Adams, and they were linking to this football player. But, you know, this is the problem with AI. The AI Slop would put it all together, so they'd be like, scott Adams, famous cartoonist and college football star. I mean, Scott would found that hilarious. But anyway.

[Erica]

Racist. Also a racist.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah, exactly. I have to go because there are three meetings I'm missing right now.

[Chamath]

Yes.

[Erica]

Go, go, go. Joel, thanks for coming in. Oh, my God. We're more excited than ever. And don't think I'm not calling you to find out the juicy detail.

[Joel Pollock]

I'm.

[Scott Adams]

That.

[Joel Pollock]

That I will not tell you. I will tell you that one. No, the mystery. The mystery in the book. You have to read the book. Everybody has to read the book.

[Erica]

Okay. All right. We can do it. We can do it, you guys. All right, you guys, everyone. Thank you.

[Joel Pollock]

When you find out, it's gonna make your mind and your heart explode at the same time. Yeah, Yeah. I. I can't. I can't talk about it too much or I'll choke up.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah.

[Erica]

Okay. Okay, we got it. Joel. Thank you so, so much. We appreciate it. And we'll see you whenever you can pop on.

[Joel Pollock]

All right. Thank you so much.

[Erica]

Thanks, Joel. Take care.

[Joel Pollock]

Thank you. Bye.

[Unknown Narrator]

Bye.

[Erica]

Well, look who it is. Marcella. And then there were two. It's me and you again, sister. How do we keep ending up like this? Oh, my goodness. So, all right. I'm very excited for the book. I mean, I was already, obviously, but now we have, like, a mystery, and our hearts are gon to explode. Let me take the food away from the cats.

[Marcella]

I like that the biography is going to be like, let's solve this mystery together and what could it be? Very nice.

[Erica]

What could it be? All right. The cats ate their kibble. I told you.

[Marcella]

Probably us super fans probably know. But like, you know, like setting it up in, in a mysterious way. I, I think it's, it'd be fun to have a biography. Not only be informative, but also be mysterious and suspenseful and all sorts.

[Erica]

No. So there's something for everyone. Yes, Sean. It should be out by Christmas. The plan is to get it out in the fall so people can have it for Christmas and Christmas gifts and all that good stuff. And by the way, if you guys. I think what we're going to do is just run out of the Scott Adams merch. So if you want this simultaneous swaddle blanket, once they're gone, we're not going to restock them, so. Love my tattoos. I don't have a tattoo, so I just. That just caught my eye. I have no tattoos, so. Yeah, so once that merch is gone, I don't know what else is left, like the beanies or a sweatshirt or a T shirt. But if you did want to grab something, do it now, you guys, because then I think we're going to be done with that. The mugs, we'll see if we're going to keep them or not. Okay, so just grab them now and the link I'll post later with the show and if anyone has the link now and can drop it. And it's also in Scott's bio on his YouTube page. Okay, so that's there. You want Be Loves merch. I know, I know. Okay, so we'll see what happens. All right, so anyway, Marcella, we have some time left and I wanted to, I want to give a shout out to Nick Shirley and to Scott. So I, I want, I have just three clips that are all going to go together that I want to play. So let me just make sure I have the right one at the right time. And I wanted Owen here to read something. All right, so let's just do this. You know what? I'm just going to do one clip. This is J.D. vance. Just, I think yesterday, let's just take

[Unknown Narrator 2]

a quick listen from citizens and journalists have come from people like Nick Shirley who was a 22 year old kid. A 22 year old kid who had the audacity to go to the people who were receiving your tax dollars and ask questions. Something. Frankly, it would have been great if the national media showed a little bit more Interest in. But I just want to say to all of you, for caring about this issue, for being engaged in this issue, for sending tips into our fraud task force, thank you. Because a bit.

[Erica]

Okay, so I do love Nick Shirley. Getting a shout out from the Vice President of the United States. Well deserved because it's true. If Nick Shirley wasn't curious and fearless and going out there and exposing the fraud in every state, we wouldn't really know about it. And so Jay Plemons reminded me that. And haven't you guys all had this thought where you're like, where are all these people? Like, how are so many people driving, like nice cars? Like, the economy's so bad, you know, people can't afford stuff. But like, so many people have nice cars and they have like nice homes and they're wearing nice clothes and you're like, wait a minute, aren't we struggling along? And Jay found this clip of Scott and he's just a freaking genius. Let's just take a listen.

[Scott Adams]

I keep telling you that there are too many people driving nice cars to make any sense for how many nice, good jobs there are or even how many people have inherited it from their parents or whatever. There just seem to be way too many people who have nice houses and nice cars compared to the number of good jobs there are in the world. And I kept thinking, for a year, by the way, for years I've thought this, I thought, what percentage of all the rich looking people. Rich looking, meaning you have an expensive car or nice house, what percentage of them got it from crime? And I've always assumed it was at least 20%. And now I'm going to up that. I mean, it might be as high as 50% of all rich people are criminals. And you know, it's these, these white collar, corrupt NGO money laundering situations.

[Erica]

Interesting. Always thinking, right? And I mean, I think the same thing all the time. And not to, you know, listen, is it the Italian in me? Is it that I just don't trust anybody? I don't know, but I see people like selling merch sometimes. Or I'm like, where'd you get that merch? Like, where did you get that merch? It's just too strange that you have an abundance of this stuff considering the lifestyle you live. So I think everybody's a criminal no matter what. No one's innocent until proven guilty. Marcel is like, oh my God, everyone's guilty in my eyes. But yeah, don't you think that the fraud, it's like so off the charts when you see all this fraud. Right, Marcela?

[Marcella]

You know, I, I disagree with Scott in regards to that, because. Not in regards to what you're saying, Erica, but in a bit with Scott because of the area he lived in. My brother and sister both live in that area of Silicon Valley. And it's, it's a bubble. It's not like you go to Fresno, you go to Sacramento, you go to other areas of California, and you're not going to see nice cars all the time. Time. So it depends on the area where you're defining it. And Silicon Valley has very nice houses, very nice cars. Every house is like $3 million or more, you know, at least. And if it's a nice house. And so maybe he was thinking, like, how are all these people have all this money? You know, but technically it's all from tech. Tech money. But what I would say is that there are people that have money and some of it is. I don't know what word I would use but legal fraud. Government contracts. That is a big thing in California. A lot of either, either a lot of people work for the government. This is outside of Silicon Valley. A lot of people work for the government or they contract, they have their own business like, you know, cutting trees. But now we're going to have a contract with the school district of cutting all their trees, you know, so there's always this back and forth in California with government and government providing these contracts to their friends, you know, or, you know, to whoever can do the bill, you know, so it's kind of like something that, that I'm not sure translates to the rest of the country or. But I'm sure New Jersey similar in a way where they're using government contracts.

[Erica]

We're very special.

[Marcella]

Yeah.

[Erica]

So we really go for it. I'm pulling up a clip for you real quick. Okay, let me just play this. Here's, here's a little more. I really wanted to have like a Nick Shirley day. There's so much information. But, you know, I remember when he was doing those daycare, like the leering centers and the daycare centers and all the cars in the parking lot were like Mercedes and Porsches. And it's like, what's happening here? It was like, anyway, let's just, let's just give Nick Shirley a little bit more attention one second here.

[Nick Shirley]

Yes. The governor of California is an enemy to the people of California. He's literally working to support the fraudsters. Meanwhile, he could be working to expose the fraud. I mean, how, how stupid you have to be to say, okay, let's go after the guy who's exposing the fraud. Let's not go after the fraudsters. That is what he's doing, what he's actively doing each and every single day when he makes out these statements. And all he does is blame the people who are showing the fraud. Why doesn't he say, hey, Nick, great video. How can we help? Right.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

That's what I would say was, wow, great video. How did you find this?

[Unknown Narrator]

Where did you go and where are

[Senator Thom Tillis]

you going next so we can find somebody to go with you? Don't you think that would be a common response?

[Nick Shirley]

Exactly. Because these tax dollars don't say right or left on them. They don't say Republican or Democrat. Right. Each tax dollar is a dollar for the American people. And when they go in and steal these dollars from us, they're not robbing just the liberal Democrat in California. They're robbing everyone. And then the governor gets mad at the person for exposing the fraud. How crazy.

[Erica]

Yeah. So then they, they tried. I, I don't know, Marcella, if it, I don't know if it passed, but then they tried to stop Nick Shirley act in California. Oh, it passed.

[Unknown Narrator]

So.

[Erica]

Well, explain what you have to.

[Marcella]

So it was already law. This is the third or fourth iteration of the law. So the law was already in place. And it was basically for harassment or someone coming to you, harassing you. I have to look at the. The gist of it and get that back to you on it. But can be used against a Nick Shirley type. But it's not necessarily just Nick Shirley. It's technically, the idea of the law was to protect people that have certain jobs in the medical. Medical industry is very nuanced. And whether somebody can come up to you and ask questions and, and harass you because some of them have been harassed. And I think I have to look further into it. It's not just like Nick Shirley Act.

[Erica]

You know, it's called Stop Nick Shirley

[Marcella]

act, but that's not what it's actually called in the, in the government. That's what he calls it.

[Erica]

Okay.

[Joel Pollock]

Yeah.

[Marcella]

So this law has been around since the 90s. Then in 2000, something. Then there was. It. There's different iterations. And so what. What Bonta's wife, I forget her first name, did is add further, further indications into the law of what harassment would be. And so the, the issue was that that definition could in itself be a Nick Shirley type of person, but it's not necessarily. That's not what it's called at all.

[Erica]

So it's just so interesting because it seems like. Well, it is like everybody in every corner of this freaking country is just taking money from people getting their palms greased. This is my opinion from our politicians to all these organizations. And it's coming at the expense of the constituents, which is us. And I feel like we have no representation. And I just wanted to go to independent journalist Sarah Gonzalez. She's got balls of steel. I love her. Same kind of thing when she approaches Thom Tillis, who. You know what? Just watch. This is good.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

Senator, you've received almost $700,000 from the illegal. Illegal labor lobby. Is that why you voted against Save America Act?

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Can you tell me who the illegal labor lobbyists?

[Sarah Gonzalez]

Yes, it's contractors, general contractors, hospitality companies, industries, construction companies and industries.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

You know about the save which. Which Save America act are you talking about?

[Sarah Gonzalez]

The one that you voted against, sir.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Okay. And so you're asking me if I voted. I was against it because you're receiving

[Sarah Gonzalez]

almost $700,000 from the lobbyists.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Have any remark any idea what a remarkably silly question that is?

[Sarah Gonzalez]

I think it's a pretty important one. I think your constituents want to know why you're betraying them.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Math. You know what my election cycle, the total all in election cycle cost was in 20, 20 $300 million. Do you honestly believe that I would make a policy decision based on that?

[Sarah Gonzalez]

I don't know why you're betraying your constituents. I'm independent.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Okay.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

Why are you betraying your constituents? Why are you betraying your constituents, Senator?

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Good luck on the clicks.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

We just want secure elections, Senator. You're preventing us from getting that. You're betraying America.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

Good luck on your job.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

Good luck on yours. What a strange thing for Senator tillis to say. $700,000 is not enough. He's a sellout. But not that amount because he receives 300 million. If I were an honest person and I were answering that question, I would just say I'm not a sellout to anyone. I don't sell out for any amount of money. But Thom Tillis. Thom Tillis says he sells out, but not for that amount.

[Erica]

I love that. I think that was so genius. He's like, good luck on your job. She's like, yeah, good luck on yours. So good. And. And the way he just talks down to her and dismisses her like, oh, who do you work for? I'm independent. And then he's like, see a Good luck on your clicks. Like, oh, really? Well, Nick Shirley's independent. There's so Nate Friedman's Independent. Some of our best journalists are independent, so. Oh, man. I mean, these people have no shame. What, what's your impression on that one? Marcela?

[Marcella]

Yeah, like, he could have just. I think Scott would talk about what she talked about. He didn't right away said, I'm not guilty. You know, he said, oh, no, not for that amount.

[Erica]

He's like, do you have any idea what my election. It's like, dude, are you. Are you guilty or not? Like Scott. Yes. Scott would always say if somebody said, oh, you murdered that person and you didn't, you'd be like, what? I didn't murder that person.

[Senator Thom Tillis]

No.

[Chamath]

Right.

[Erica]

Yeah. Like.

[Marcella]

But instead you would say, I wasn't at that place.

[Erica]

Yeah.

[Marcella]

At that time.

[Erica]

I was.

[Marcella]

Instead of negating the actual question, you know, and maybe it's not because of what she's saying, the reason that he voted against the, the American, the. The SAVE act, but it's like, why did you vote against it? That's where you would have, you know, if it's something really important, why he voted against it, he would say it. But no, he doesn't have any, any answer to her.

[Erica]

So. Tom T H O M. Which is just annoying. I know, Thomas, but. So he's on our, our watch list now. And like Montreal Galaxy said he first wanted to know how much she knew. So he was like, well, let me see even how much she knew. Well, she knew. She had her, her notes and, you know, and then he just got snotty with her. So Freebird says arrest him. Now, a moment of truth we've got. Yeah. So what's your evidence? Who are these contractors? Right? So it's like, you know, follow the money. You guys follow the money. Like, she showed how much he's getting, and then he doesn't vote for the Save America Act. And it's like, why, you know, why can't we have safe elections? That's all Scott said we needed to, you know, feel secure in our country, were fair elections that can be audited to show that they were not rigged. And we're not getting it. We're not getting it. And why anyone's fighting it. Change the way you're wording it then. Like, make it a one line item issue. Stop packing it with other stuff that people are trying to throw in there. No, just make it an election vote and then let us see who in office wants us to have fair elections and who doesn't care. Like, let them just vote on that one issue so we can see who they are. Like, why can't we have that kind of transparency. And why can't every vote be a vote for one line item? I don't get it. So they make it very confusing. And that's where all this dirty money comes in. I don't know, Marcel, if we're ever going to get fair elections feels kind of grim.

[Marcella]

Well, they don't. They don't want fair elections. Neither side wants fair election.

[Erica]

I agree.

[Marcella]

Only the voters want fair elections, it seems. You know, there are obviously individuals in government that do want it, but it. For the most part, it seems like that's not going to be allowed. You know, they're not going to allow it because they want. What was the. What was the phrase from Scott for? Confused, confuse, confusion, confuse, confused.

[Sarah Gonzalez]

Opal.

[Erica]

Like Monopoly.

[Marcella]

Yeah. So it's like in the confusion is where they are able to get further. Either their own laws passed or they're able to get kickbacks from certain things, you know, so the more confusing you make something, the. The harder it is to discern learn what is happening from the public. So one thing that you brought up is that the reporter reminded you of Nick Shirley. I wish Nick Shirley would take on the Save America act and would go down to Washington, D.C. and go and ask them questions because they would. Oh, they would be so afraid of him. But it needs. There needs to be somebody to that degree that the. That keeps hounding them.

[Erica]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Marcella]

Truth. They need.

[Unknown Narrator 2]

They.

[Erica]

They need to answer. They should be answering to the independent journalists more than Confusopoli. They should be answering more to independent journalists than to corporate media or cable news because they're the.

[Marcella]

We.

[Erica]

We see that. The people that are independent, like, they're speaking for all of us like that. That's really who's speaking for us. So shame on Thom Tillis and. And Thune doesn't care. I know you guys. It's crazy. So. All right, listen, we're gonna wrap up tomorrow. I think the home team returns. We're never sure which way we're going, but Marcel and I will be here. I think Owen will be here, too. Okay, you guys. And we're gonna do an Akira song as promised today. And Marcella, if you can stick around, do. And if not, we get it. Okay? So have a closing. Thank you to Scott and to Shelley for allowing this show to continue. And we really appreciate you guys being here. It's always so great to see you guys every day, every morning. It's. It's nice that we're all together, really. Jesse, Kelly, we are rescheduling Jesse Kelly. He had an issue with Rumble, shockingly. And we'll get him back on the roster. He's excited to come on. Okay, guys, Jim Courtney, you're. You're requesting the basket case theory already. You must need it. Okay, so we're gonna do it. So thank you to Scott and Shelly for allowing the show to go on. And let's just do all the important things today. Be useful, make good decisions and good choices, and watch a Scott YouTube video today. You guys go back and just pick a random one and indulge, okay? All right, so a closing sip to our Scott. To Scott. Ah, Goldie. It was rough. Goldie. It was rough. But we made it through. Okay, basket case theory coming in by special request from Jim Courtney in Alaska. Where is it? I don't see it. I don't see it. How could it not be Jim? This is weird. All right, so I'm going with pattern recognition. Pattern recognition coming in hot on W. Scott Adams School.

[Unknown Narrator]

Pattern recognition Recognition. Once you realize that humans are not logical machines, we're pattern recognition machines. Pattern recognition machines. It's that pattern recognition that isn't very good. Pattern recognition is what makes you a racist. Pattern recognition is what makes you an ageist, a sexist. Everything bad. Because your patterns are all you have. You're not really a logical person who reasons everything out. Your brain isn't big enough. You wouldn't have enough time. So instead you default to these little biases which are determined by patterns. Were pattern recognition machines, Pattern recognition machines. Your patterns are all you have. You're not really a logical person. Now, the problem is many of those patterns are fake. Let's say you had met three Elbonians in your life and every one of them slapped you in the face with a glove. The next time you met an Elbonian, you'd be like, oh, no, thank you. I don't want to get slapped in the face with a glove. Those last three Elbonians were pretty rough on me. But it's only three Elbonians. The odds that your pattern is predictive, probably low. Probably low. We fall victim to patterns. But you can also use patterns to convince people of things if you are consistent. People say, oh, this person's always honest. So patterns are a tool, but they're also our biggest defect. They're also our biggest defect. We're pattern recognition machines. Pattern recognition machines. Your patterns are all you have. You're not really a logical person. We're pattern recognition machines. Pattern recognition machines. Your patterns are all you have. You're not Really a logic cool person. And then, of course, understanding the brain as a visualization machine is very, very important because visualization is the biggest, most powerful part of your brain. It's the. The part that influences you most. The part that influences you most. Understanding the brain as a visualization machine is very important because visualization is the biggest, most powerful part of your brain. It's the. The part that influences you most.

[Erica]

Obsessed. I could listen to that beat all night. All right now. Oh, I'm suddenly. I'm suddenly I'm feeling like a dj. If I could just take over Stern's show and get that 500 million dollar contract. Oh, you guys are the best. Thank you, Smar. You guys have a great, great rest of your day. I cannot wait to see you guys tomorrow morning. Right, Marcella? You too.

[Marcella]

Yes.

[Erica]

Yep. Can't wait. Look forward to it every day. All right, you guys. Love you so much. Have a great, great day, Marcella. Have the best day ever. Kick some attorney butt out there for us.

[Marcella]

Watch Argentina game. Watch the Argentina versus England.

[Erica]

And we want Argentina, right?

[Chamath]

Well.

[Marcella]

Oh, yes. There's no way that England can win. But then again, France lost yesterday, so.

[Erica]

All right, Marcella. So I'll root for Argentina day for

[Marcella]

me today, you guys.

[Erica]

Gosh, root for me. I'm sending prayers your way.

[Marcella]

Thank you.

[Erica]

Thoughts and prayers. Okay. Thoughts and prayers for Marcelo. Let's go Argentina and we'll see you guys in the morning. Take care.

[Marcella]

Bye, guys.

[Erica]

Love you.

[Joel Pollock]

It.