Episode 3069 The Scott Adams School 01/11/26

Summary

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Real Coffee with Scott Adams — Episode 3069 The Scott Adams School 01/11/26

Date: January 11, 2026
Host: Scott Adams
Guests: Greg Gutfeld, Dr. Drew Pinsky, Owen Gregorian, Dr. Hines, Shelly (producer), Jack

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Episode Overview

This episode of Real Coffee with Scott Adams brings together a conversational panel featuring TV host Greg Gutfeld, physician Dr. Drew Pinsky, commentator Owen Gregorian, and Dr. Hines. The episode explores current events and societal trends through Scott Adams' signature "persuasion filter." Topics range from medical decision-making in serious illness, the irreplaceability of certain media voices, AI’s present and future impacts, current protests in Iran and Minnesota, the challenge of public discourse in an age of “one story, two movies,” and the evolving roles of expertise and technology in medicine.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Candid Reflections on the Unique Tone of Scott Adams' Show

Timestamps: 02:30 – 05:30

• Greg Gutfeld talks about a conversation with a friend regarding the irreplaceable, unscripted style of "Coffee with Scott Adams," highlighting that its magic lies in not feeling like a formal show.
  • “It doesn’t feel like a show … it’s something about the fact that it just did not feel like a show.” (03:03, Greg)
• Scott Adams confirms this was intentional:
  • “Yeah, that’s what I was aiming for. I always wanted to feel like you’re in my living room or Charlie.” (03:27, Scott)

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2. Who Could Replace Scott? The Talent Stack Conversation

Timestamps: 04:25 – 06:00

• Greg Gutfeld and others play a "game" brainstorming who might capture what Scott Adams does. Names discussed: Adam Carolla, Walter Kern.
  • “Your talent stack is such a combination of things that it’s almost impossible to find.” (05:07, Greg)
• Greg concludes:
  • “We won’t know who the next Scott Adams is … they don’t even know it.” (05:57, Greg)

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3. Technical Hiccups and Podcast Rituals

Timestamps: 00:01 – 02:30, 09:10 – 12:41

• The first segment features real-time attempts to get all guests online, paralleling a running joke about technology being an “IQ test.”
• The group playfully performs Scott’s “simultaneous sip” ritual, with Greg reading from the mug (12:09).

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4. Navigating Serious Illness and Crowdsourced Advice

Timestamps: 13:04 – 18:17

• Scott discusses his ongoing medical challenges, specifically how people suggest a variety of unproven treatments.
• Dr. Drew explains the complexity of cancer, especially prostate cancer, and the futility of anecdotal “do more” advice:
  • “It’s why you have doctors... There are responders and non-responders... it’s part of the complexity of biology.” (15:49, Dr. Drew)
• Cautions against medical fad recommendations and gives insight into new therapies like Pluvicto.

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5. The Minnesota & Iran Current Events Discussion

Timestamps: 18:22 – 32:32; 56:51 – 63:50

• Minnesota story: Greg refuses to “play the role” the media expects in covering a controversial police shooting, critiquing how these narratives are pre-scripted for maximal outrage and division (18:33).
  • “I refuse to be suckered into this Minnesota story the way it’s presented... This is what a certain group wants. They don’t even care about her.” (18:33, Greg)
• Iran: Massive demonstrations are discussed, skepticism about “the next Shah” as a solution.
  • “Doesn’t it seem like the waiting for the new Shah is the plan that never works?” (19:51, Scott)
  • “What happens in Iran should be republics where the people are sovereign, not the Shah.” (20:48, Dr. Drew)

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6. Public Protests & Social Rituals

Timestamps: 21:41 – 28:40

• Greg and Dr. Drew dissect protester demographics, especially the prevalence of middle-aged women, and compare the gesture of confronting police to “adult Tide Pod eating” (27:13, Greg).
• Dr. Drew gives a pop-anthropological take on gender and social behavior.

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7. Living with (and Learning from) AI & Technology

Timestamps: 29:10 – 38:48

• Hosts vent about the frustrations of using AI (Grok) and how it often fabricates steps or lacks memory.
  • “Every time you use AI to tell you how to use an interface, it will make it up.” (29:10, Scott)
• Discussion moves to consciousness in AI:
  • “Do you think it will get to consciousness?” (35:36, Scott)
  • Dr. Drew argues strongly against near-term AI consciousness without memory, embodied emotion, or human relational context.
    • “You have to have memory to have consciousness. And number two is you have to have a body that has feelings.” (36:38, Dr. Drew)
• Greg relays how AI can simulate content creation (book proposals, chapter outlines) but finds the outputs soulless (33:17).

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8. Expertise vs. Technology in Medicine

Timestamps: 40:09 – 44:58

• Dr. Drew recounts worrying conversations with young medical students who, due to technology, prefer to “look everything up” rather than truly learn and internalize medical judgment (40:09).
• Dr. Hines says even nurse practitioners now often depend on phones for knowledge (40:48).
• The group debates how half of what’s in medical books may be outdated and how medicine is a moving target.

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9. “Two Movies, One Screen” and the Limits of Dialogue

Timestamps: 60:13 – 67:35

• Jack and Owen recount Minnesota protest coverage and the phenomenon where people process the same event completely differently, consistent with Adams’ “one story, two movies” concept.
  • “When you talk to the people there, they’re not even aware that the other movie exists.” (63:54, Jack)
• Owen predicts in the current case, video evidence might prevent the narrative from diverging as far as in George Floyd-style events (62:43, Owen).

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10. Who Might Fill Scott’s Shoes? And the “Scott Adams School”

Timestamps: 46:34 – 51:07, 47:16, 49:20, 50:03

• The panel solicits Scott’s recommendations for successors. Mike Benz and Owen Gregorian are suggested as people with the talent to potentially create similar content.
• Scott floats the idea of the “Scott Adams School” as a group effort, with each person “teaching a class” (50:18, Scott).

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11. Other Notable Technology and Society Tidbits

Timestamps: 56:51 – 58:55

• Owen reports on Amazon’s leaked productivity survey initiative (57:14), and how AI-generated deepfakes risk collapsing trust online.
  • Instagram considering tagging what’s “real” instead of what’s fake (59:22).
• Scott: “My mouth is so dry…I always confuse Minnesota with Minneapolis…” (62:02–62:27)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You didn’t know you were going to be the next Scott Adams?” (05:57, Greg Gutfeld)
• “People have no exposure to biology, and biology is literally infinitely complex.” (15:49, Dr. Drew Pinsky)
• “You kind of don’t have a point of view. Do you know what I mean?” (50:43, Greg Gutfeld complimenting Scott)
• “Do you think it [AI] will get to consciousness?” (35:36, Scott)
  “If you have no body, you got a problem.” (36:38, Dr. Drew)
• “Every time you use AI to tell you how to use an interface, it will make it up.” (29:10, Scott)
• “It would be a great show if I just died right now.” (52:36, Scott, dark humor in medical context)

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Key Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Time (MM:SS) | |---------------------------|-------------------| | Panel sign-on struggles | 00:01 – 02:30 | | Uniqueness of Scott’s show| 02:30 – 05:32 | | Successor brain-storming | 04:25 – 06:00 | | Medical advice & complexity| 13:04 – 18:17 | | Minnesota/Iran protests | 18:22 – 24:41 | | AI, robots, consciousness | 29:10 – 38:48 | | Two movies, one screen | 60:13 – 67:35 | | Successor recommendations | 46:34 – 51:07 | | AI and doctoring stories | 56:51 – 58:55 | | Group sign-off | 68:46 – 69:22 |

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Flow, Tone, and Highlights

• The episode is lighthearted and playful despite tackling heavy subjects (illness, protests, existential technology). The participants riff on technical mishaps and poke fun at themselves and each other.
• Discussion is intellectually rich: guests balance first-person anecdote (Scott’s health), societal critique (protest discourse), and broader philosophical questions (AI, consciousness, mythmaking).
• The "Scott Adams Show" itself is a meta-theme, with frequent reflection on its impact, format, and possible succession.

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For New Listeners

This episode encapsulates the ethos of Real Coffee with Scott Adams: free-wheeling, unscripted, and deeply personal, but anchored in keen observation about persuasion, media, and the state of the world. The host’s medical struggle is woven candidly into the conversational threads, lending a sense of immediacy and authenticity.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Shelly]

Accept.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Accept.

[Scott Adams]

So it's the same two people I accepted before.

[Shelly]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

And then the others have done.

[Shelly]

How come you're not in. I know, but how come you're not. How come you're not live, though? It says live.

[Scott Adams]

I am live.

[Shelly]

Where are you?

[Scott Adams]

Looks like.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Hello. You see me?

[Shelly]

We see you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Awesome.

[Scott Adams]

But I can't figure out how to put you on screen.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I can see you and me on screen.

[Scott Adams]

You saw us both.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, I see. There you go. What crap. Two. Two amazing brains. And this is like a night. This is so hard.

[Scott Adams]

I've ever done in my life.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Exactly.

[Scott Adams]

So Shelly will keep on trying to text our other invited guests.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Shelly]

And so I think if we go to the waiting room, they might be in there. Can we see if there's anybody else in the waiting room?

[Scott Adams]

No, I don't want to go anywhere.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Because you're afraid to move. You're already. You already got a good spot.

[Shelly]

Yeah, nothing there.

[Scott Adams]

So, Dr. Drew, are you and Shelly. Can you text Dr. Drew?

[Shelly]

Yeah, I think you did.

[Scott Adams]

And find out if he has the latest link that you just emailed him.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, he probably.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

He might.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I mean, I had a problem on my phone, but then I had. Once I got the Rumble app, it was. It worked out. It just. He might just need to refresh it.

[Scott Adams]

So find out if Dr. Drew has downloaded the Rumble app on anything.

[Shelly]

Okay. Why don't you guys get started? And I don't know if it's going to work for them, but they'll. They'll. If they can get into the link and get in, we can accept them as soon as they can get in.

[Scott Adams]

Right? We've got a little IQ test here, everybody. Greg's in the leaderboard. Yes.

[Owen Gregorian]

I guess I passed the test.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is that Owen?

[Scott Adams]

That is Owen.

[Owen Gregorian]

Hello, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Good, good. So what do you want to talk about? Can I tell you about a conversation I had yesterday?

[Scott Adams]

Tell me about it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So I was talking to a mutual friend of ours, and we were talking about, like, how the coffee with Scott Adams is uniquely irreplaceable, which is redundant. And it's like. And she was saying to me that it has to do with the fact that it doesn't feel like a show and the moment that, like, if anybody tries to kind of recreate that, they have to somehow figure out kind of the natural nature of. Of what you did. And it might not be possible. Like, you could think of the right person, but that may not be enough. It's. It's something about the fact that it just did not feel Like a show. I thought that was interesting.

[Scott Adams]

The show that did not feel like a show. Yeah, that's what I was aiming for.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah. I always wanted to feel like you're in my living room or Charlie.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it was like. I tried that with Red Eye, where every night I tried to do something different, so it felt like it was in somebody's basement. And I think it worked. I think it kind of worked. But it's like, if you try to do it, like. Like, I try to give people advice, like, don't do. Don't. You don't have to say, hello. This is the Greg Gutfeld Show. You don't have to do that. You know, you can do what you do, and then you kind of, like, move around. Got your papers, you know. Oh. And then, you know what we did? We were trying to go through people who would be the closest to you as a replacement. It's a game.

[Scott Adams]

All right, Now I have to know who you thought was the closest.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, okay, I'm gonna tell you the people. Okay. So the first. In terms of somebody who gives wisdom that I can use, Adam Carolla is really. But his countenance is different than yours. He's like. He. He's not, like. It's hard. He's not the friendliest kind of Persona. And. And he's. I think it's because he's like. He's got the. The angry comedian thing. So even if he's right.

[Scott Adams]

Right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Going to alienate some people, which. Which. Which you don't have. And then. But, you know, the one I think is the best is Walter Kern, but he also has a point of view, but he has this very folksy. He's very real. And he does this podcast with Matt Taibbi, and you kind of feel like you're also pals, but it's really weird. It's like your talent stack is such a combination of things that it's almost impossible to find. You know, the.

[Scott Adams]

What is he gonna think of poop on your shoulder?

[Greg Gutfeld]

He has been doing, like, while I was waiting, he has been bothering the hell out of me. So he's with me while the baby's eating, and he just. He's just doing stupid.

[Scott Adams]

It looks like he's up to no good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I'm not, and.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Doesn't know what to do. But. So, anyway, I think we talked about an app for an hour. We talked for about an hour about replacements, and I came to the conclusion, I said this on your spaces, that we won't know who the next Scott Adams is. Because they don't even know it. You know, they don't. You didn't know you were going to be the next Scott Adams?

[Scott Adams]

I did not know. Yeah. When I started, I thought it would be a sort of an incremental. You know, I learn as I go.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

I think that's what happened. Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

I'm always amused by the. The difference in voice quality between the professionals and the amateurs.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

The moment you come on, you can tell us that. It's a very practiced voice.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I like when I talk to people, like, people who are on my show for the first time, Their voice is always higher than it should be, and you know what I mean? And I think. And I used to be like that when I started Red Eye was that my. My voice was much higher and re. And it's like, reedy. But once you do, if you do it for, like, three or four months, your voice comes down here and it's like it's resting, you know?

[Scott Adams]

Well, I. I also noticed that, you know, I've talked to you offline lots of times, and it's exactly the same.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that's true, too. You don't want to change that. That is the thing. I always hated when I would do morning radio, when they. The person, like, I would do these book tours, and I'm sure you've done it, and generally people talk to you normally, and then the thing turns on and they have a radio voice. Somebody told them that they have a really good rate. Then you have the woman with the sultry radio voice like she smokes cigarettes. Hey, welcome back. She's, like, doing the rock voice. We got some Pink Floyd coming up. And then the guy talks like this. It's like, hey, man, it's the morning zoo with the nut bag and the. And the crinkle head. And it's like, so fake, you know?

[Scott Adams]

So Dr. Jew just tried to come on, and I clicked him, but I don't see him as a participant yet.

[Shelly]

Did you.

[Scott Adams]

So.

[Shelly]

There he is.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Miracle.

[Scott Adams]

It's a miracle.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

One of the many miracles I'm hoping for today.

[Scott Adams]

So how hard was it to figure out?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, let me put my earpieces in. And.

[Greg Gutfeld]

There were.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Can you hear me okay?

[Scott Adams]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Scott Adams]

Okay.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

There were several steps. Rumble app doesn't do it. You have to have Rumble studio app.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Then you also have to download locals. Locals. And you have to remember locals. You have to sign into locals. You have to sign into all three and then hook all three. So done and done. Thank you very much.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It took a while.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. Thank you for your patience. Jesus. Oh, my goodness, Scott, you look particularly good. Yes, please, please, please.

[Scott Adams]

All right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What am I drinking? Tea. Bobo T. Bobo.

[Scott Adams]

Shelly, you're gonna have to read the simultaneous sip.

[Shelly]

Oh, I.

[Scott Adams]

From the other mug.

[Shelly]

No, you do that.

[Scott Adams]

I can't do it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I wish I had in front of me. Maybe I can ask Rock. Maybe I can ask Rock for the simultaneous sip. Give me this. Yeah, hold on a second. I'm using Rock for everything. I'm looking.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Me, too. Me, too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Are you looking up people that disappeared from your life?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I'm not that weird.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, I. There. I. There's a guy who died, who was born the same day I was, and he died in 1986. And we were both the same age. We both went to school together. Give me Scott Adams opening. Opening to his podcast. God, let me do this.

[Shelly]

All right. Okay. I guess Scott, let Greg do this.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Is reading his reading.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Okay.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let's see if they understand. Let's see if Brock gets this. All right. Searching on X. No, but I'm sure I, I. All of a sudden I'll think about. Oh, here's another search I did. Okay. And I didn't find anything. Where are the participants in the new in the Two Girls One cup video?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Oh, my God.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Aren't you curious?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Sure, now I am. My brain doesn't go there automatically, but now I am.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, it's like, don't you want to know? Oh, this person's giving me a grok. Is giving me a summary. Can you give me the word? The word for word, simultaneous sip, please. But, yeah, I think about, like, what happened to these people. Let's see if that works. Word for word. Simultaneous sip, please. But, yeah, so I, I, I find myself thinking about these people. All right.

[Shelly]

Texted it to you, too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Greg, make sure you use that brain for good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that's all I'm saying. Boy, Gro sucks today. Yeah, he does.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Let me. I want to say two things while you're. While you're searching. Hey, Scott, you look particularly good this morning. Less. Less drug, less medicine, maybe. Yeah. Good. And then I wanted to say something about Shelley. I don't know if people understand how important Shelley is to you when she was organizing getting me and. Greg, I don't, but Shelly is really an important person. You sort of mentioned it yesterday, but I wanted people to know I've seen her in action and. Greg, you've seen her, too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And let me do the step.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Let me do the sip. The simultaneous. I have to read this. So you don't see me, do you?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You're frozen.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, because I'm. Look, I'm reading the simultaneous sip. All you need is a cup or a mug or a glass, a tank or chalice or stein, a canteen, jug or flask, a vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee. And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure. The dopamine hit of the day. The thing that makes everything better. Ah, that's some good stuff. Yes.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right. I'm sorry, Drew, you're talking. No, Shelly's been amazing.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. And I. I just wanted to make sure Scott had a chance to communicate that to everybody.

[Jack]

Yeah.

[Shelly]

Thank you, Drew.

[Scott Adams]

So I still gotta go off, but I am sufficiently drugged enough that I can't do things like even put in my passwords anymore.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, but I'm with Drew. You do sound and appear a lot better than yesterday. So you. I mean, that's. I'm holding on to that.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Me too. And. And are you taking medicine for pain? Is that why they're giving it to you? Or is your back hurting and stuff?

[Scott Adams]

Still a lot. But some of us were pain. And some of us. For reducing my cough.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I see.

[Scott Adams]

Well, I never knew that pain medicine would reduce your cough.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It can. There's other things they can do, too, without zonking you, but may talk to him about it.

[Scott Adams]

Dr. Drew, I got the. I got a question for you.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Okay.

[Scott Adams]

Sorry, I'll be drooling all over. So, as you know, I've been bombarded with other people's idea of what I should do to save my life.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I know.

[Scott Adams]

How in the world was somebody who's not a doctor? Through the. The ivermectin, fenbetazole, which was the first thing I tried.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

But then that did not help. But then that turned into. Well, you didn't do enough.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right.

[Scott Adams]

We've added all these other minerals to it, or you should. Yeah. And there was no way for me to know. Did I do it right? Did I order the right package? Or was it a bunch of fake stuff? Yeah. Then there were the. The people who wanted me to fast.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right.

[Scott Adams]

And I would say to myself, if fasting worked, everybody would fast. Would they?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Right. Right. Well, not only that, cancer makes you fast. You're not. You can't. It's hard to eat when you're on opiates and cancer and have cancer, and it does not seem to affect the tumor at all.

[Scott Adams]

And then there was the Dr. Soon Shun protocol, which I also tried, but when that didn't work and the question was raised, did I take enough? It's always, did you take enough? Did you take it at the right time and did you get it in time? There was some question about whether I got it in time. Now, you could probably list three or four other things that people promote, and I would have no way to really know if they worked, you know. So how do you sort that out? I'm not asking you for a specific recommendation. I'm asking, how would anybody like me say, oh, that's a good one, and that's the bad one?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, it's why you have doctors. I mean, we have lots of experience with these tumors. The other thing that, to me, I have a cough too, that this is a symptom of is how poorly we teach biology. People have no exposure to biology, and biology is literally infinitely complex. And prostate cancer in particular, is a brilliant tumor. It finds way, or it learns through evolutionary adaptation in real time to find its way around everything we do. One of the greatest advances to me for metastatic prostate cancer is things like pluvicta, where each cell is being attacked by what's called a ligand with a radioactive agent attached to it, and it can wipe out the whole, the whole tumor all throughout your body. But then one tumor learns, oh, if I don't let this ligand bind, I survive and it survives and grows again. And that's because of the spectacularly complex genetic machinery in the tumor. So I would, I would distill it down, Scott, to this simple diathesis. There are responders and non responders, and to try to get exactly the right timing and they're exactly the right dose, that's usually not as important as, is somebody a responder or not? So I would just. And when somebody's not a responder, there's usually a multiplicity of reasons for that, and it's part of the complexity of biology. Does that make sense?

[Scott Adams]

Yeah, I think you mentioned blue picture. I got kicked off the political because, you know, I was too weak by then. I don't want the Plan 6 anyway.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. And then, and then, and then soon Xiong's thing is brand new. And so I, I, I, it's a brilliant idea. I, I don't know what to make of it, though, in terms of its application.

[Scott Adams]

And he's got a second approach on top of what I did that. I think your spoiler is just too late.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, I mean, I, you can always try stuff, Scott. I mean, that's, that's the thing. If you're up for it, but you got to be up for it. And this is the other part that people don't understand. This is your illness. This is your life. This is your decisions. And it can. You know, you get tired of it. You get tired of all of it.

[Scott Adams]

Right? All right, let's all come out with something happier. All right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Minnesota.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Iran.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Boy. Yeah. I don't know, man. I refuse to be suckered into this Minnesota story the way it's presented. You know, it's like, I don't think it's about what happened between the police and that woman. It's about everything that led to that moment. It's about this whole thing was just so set up for theater anyway. That's my. That's why, like, I get kind of, like, annoyed that I have to play a role in talking about the technical elements of the shooting. And it's like, dude, that's for other people. We know that this was a desired response. This is what. This is what a certain group wants. They don't even care about her. So I like. It almost irritates me that I have to be drawn into this conversation. Iran looks exciting.

[Scott Adams]

Oh, let's talk about that. I'm not up to date.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, well, there's a lot of demonstrations there.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Greg. Greg. To call it demonstrations almost underplays what this is. There's, like, the entire populace is out, it looks like. Looks like to us, anyway. And the existing descendant of the shah seems to be waiting in place to be brought in.

[Scott Adams]

Doesn't it seem like the. The waiting for the new Shaw is the plan that never works?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

How long have we been waiting for that guy?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, he went. And by the way, when his grandfather was in, it wasn't so great. That's, I think, really the problem.

[Scott Adams]

Right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. And why did she get first dibs?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Do you want it?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I mean, I. I bet there's other. I mean, there's other Iranians that are probably more. I have a producer on my show, Arash. You know him?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I know Rush.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You want to put him up for it? Yeah, he would be good.

[Greg Gutfeld]

He'd be good. I'm trying to think of Iranian people that I know. I know a lot of people, but I can't. I. But. And like, yeah, it's like, why does this. Why does. The guy's a relative. He gets first dibs. I don't get it. But then again, you know, hey, I.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Got both you guys. I've never heard you talk about something, but I have a question for you, and it's pertinent to this topic, which is, and I hear the French talking about this a lot and we don't talk about it, which is the sovereignty of the people. I mean our republics, ours, France, hopefully. What happens in Iran should be republics where the people are sovereign, not the shah is sovereign. The people are sovereign. We don't seem to make enough of that lately. We are instead led by elites and small loud crowds. And the actual, the people, which is usually around 70% of the populace is just sitting on the side going, leave me alone. I want to get my work done. Why don't we talk about the sovereignty of the people anymore?

[Scott Adams]

Well, isn't just another way of saying power, you know who has the power here?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah, yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

But also like the great thing about being an American is that you don't have to get involved in stuff if you're busy. And that's most of America. Most, most of America, like we, most of America has no idea what's. What the Minnesota story is. They might capture glimpses of it, but they're like, why am I. They're, they're. Their interaction with that will be. If some idiot stops them in the street and they're like, get the fuck out of my way. That's. I think America is too busy. And so it's left with these people who have all this time on their hands. They have all this like hijacked compassion. All these like. The one thing I noticed and I said it on the five, I could not believe how in every clip was a woman. It was, there were no young guys. It was all these middle aged women and they were all screaming. It was just so. It was like, okay, there is definitely something going on here.

[Scott Adams]

I don't know, is it like America where the certain age and type of woman seems to be the major protesters?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. It's weird to see some that have kids generally. I mean the ones that I see which are around Fox, they're not. They don't have kids. They've got, they're either in their 50s, they didn't have kids, they don't even have grandkids. So that you get a lot of the older people and they get paid to be there because they have nothing else to do. But a lot of them are these young angry women who have been told that I think or they bought into the idea that they are, they're, they're simultaneously victims and they're guilty. It's like, it's like two things at the same time. You are a victim because you're oppressed but you're also an oppressor. So you have nothing to do but lash out at these. It's so funny because I don't know, I don't think those women like the people they're around. You know, I don't think they, I don't. You know, it's like, it's like I think that they actually, would, they, would they like the ice agents more. And I think that's part of the, that's part of the lashing out, you.

[Scott Adams]

Know, in Iran, I wonder how much fashion has to do with anything. You know, the, the fact that somebody tells you what you can and cannot wear.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, it is amazing that Iran has gone on this long. It's.

[Jack]

What is.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It has been 40 some odd years.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

79.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, yeah, it's. That's, I mean, that's a long time because before that Iran was actually a very stylish, very western. And then they just like flipped. How easy was that?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

That. It's a lesson.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

So we never got Mike on here.

[Shelly]

Yes, he's on there. Not, no, not Mike.

[Scott Adams]

We don't have Mike's.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Tell him he needs, he needs three apps. Locals, Rumbles and Rumble Studio. And sign into all three. Yeah, they'll hook up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I know he's DM'd me, but I can't get to him. I'm afraid to DM him because I'm gonna fall out of this. We need one 13 year old. We want one 13 year old to help us.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

We.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Some teenager who knows this stuff. I. Oh, I gotta tell you, I bought this. I bought a synthesizer. It's called a sound layer. For 200 bucks I thought, okay, this looks easy.

[Jack]

It's, it's.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I wish I could remember the name of it. I do not know how to use it. And then I go and I watch tutorials of it and people are going, oh yeah. And they hit all these little buttons. What is the fricking name of it? I'm going to tell you what the name of it is so people can like, I bought it at the MoMA store, the Museum of Modern Art store, because they have cool shit. And so I bought this thing. Let's see, what's it called? It's a. It's. Fuck me. Why is it so hard to find things when I want to find.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

While he's looking. While he's looking. You can freeze. I want to finish the topic of the women yelling at the ice agent. You know, there's some evidence that Corolla keeps talking about this, that, you know, they're walking up to armed, uptight, nervous young men in 5,000 pound vehicles. Stop. As though that's, that's sufficient. And there's some evidence. All male X Y mammals engage in aggressive rough and tumble play. As you mentioned, Scott, men are always worried about getting hurt. It starts in childhood with rough and tumble play. But the rough and tumble play, the wrestling, the football, all the fighting we do helps regulate and helps us assess ourselves in the world relative to other men. Like you get punched in the face, you learn. Women get none of that. In fact, they get you can't be touched no matter what by a man. And so we've brainwashed them to use Scots language into believing that they can walk up to guys who are highly armed, highly uptight, freaking out in 5,000 pound vehicles and just go, hey man, listen to me. Yeah, I wouldn't do that.

[Greg Gutfeld]

What are you going to do about it? So I use, I believe that this new kind of like ritual with the white liberal progressive confronting police, it's their version of Tide Pods, you know, Katie, the Tide Pod, he films, he doesn't, he's like, I'm going to get famous. But he doesn't think he's going to poison himself, eat the Tide Pod. I'm on, I'm on TikTok. Then he dies or he poisons himself. So Tide has to say, hey guys, there's only one thing we can do. Don't tell you not to eat Tide Pods, but beyond that, it's on you. You know, we can't, we're trying to tell you not to do it. So these people come in, they go, they're essentially eating Tide Pods. They're like, I'm gonna stand in front of a, of a car of a cop, taunt him or, or drive into one and think, I'm going to get away with it. I have my, my wife filming me. Nothing bad could, nothing possibly could happen. But it's like adult Tide Pod eating. So the name of this thing that I got, teenage engineering ep 40 rhythm. I'm gonna see if I can show a picture of you. Picture of it.

[Jack]

There you go.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Can you see it? This thing is so complicated. It's ridiculous. All right, there we go.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

All right, But Greg, it's in its name. It's for teenagers. What are you doing?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I know, but that hasn't stopped off me.

[Scott Adams]

I can't tell you how many mixers I've purchased in my life, really. Only to know that I can't use them.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yes. At least I Only spent. I spent $329 to find out that it was not for me, at least I didn't like, it wasn't like a couple of grand where, you know, I've almost bought something because, oh, how hard could this be? And then I give up.

[Scott Adams]

That's the story of my life, trying to make anything work with Grok. Have you ever had anything try to work? Every time you use AI to tell you how to use an interface, it will make it up.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I use that for this, for rhythm, for this teenage engineering thing. I asked Rock, I said, explain. Explain it to me. Like, I am a befuddled, you know, old man. And they actually did a pretty good job. But they skipped steps that. Because I. I don't know why, but they just skipped steps. And I was no better off than I was before.

[Scott Adams]

My experience is that the very first step that they want you to do, it'll be something like, press the systems button for Community, and I'll spend the next 20 minutes thinking, what the hell is wrong with me? Why can't I find that button? The answer is always the same. It doesn't exist.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, but I do love having conversations with Grok about, like, tell me the. Tell me the name of the suspect in this crime. And they won't tell you it, but they'll do it for. So I like, I go, why won't they tell me the name of the suspect of the shooting in Mississippi?

[Shelly]

Or.

[Greg Gutfeld]

And I'm like, why won't you tell me that they're in custody? And it's like, I try to figure out, like, what is. How is the news being controlled? And then you find out later. And then they always like, I did a Grok where they. At the end of Grok that said our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims. Then they go, grok is doing thoughts and prayers. It's like, it's like, okay, that's not real. But it's just. It's really helpful to ask the right question. It tells you how to ask questions to get answers. That's what I'm. I'm learning how to be better at prompting things. And I find myself doing it on the show. Like, if I talk to Jessica, I almost act like I'm talking to Grok.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I also, I also was able to teach Grok something. I was looking up data on violence, left wing violence, right wing violence. And I'd already pre searched and it biased highly to old data. And I said, why are you doing that? And the Grok literally said to me, you know what? You're right. In the future, I will not do that. I will point out that there has been a massive shift in a different direction. Now, the question I had was, is that just going to be when I do searches or is Grok now learn something for everybody else? I don't know.

[Owen Gregorian]

The real answer is probably neither.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It's probably not.

[Owen Gregorian]

I bet if you tried it again right now, it would forget all about everything you taught it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Beautiful.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, it doesn't have to go back. It's one of the things that's recursive. It has to go every time you ask it a question. It has to go all the way back and relearn everything. I read that somewhere. Maybe I heard.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah.

[Owen Gregorian]

Well, it has a limited context window, which is kind of like what you can think of as its memory. If you're not in the same session, then it doesn't know anything about any other session. Even the context window is limited. So if you keep talking for long enough and going back and forth, it's going to forget everything at the beginning. So the advice I've heard is that you. You need to treat AI like it has Alzheimer's.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

So is this Owen or Grok talking right now?

[Owen Gregorian]

It's Owen.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you know what I did? I don't know if I told you this, Scott. I have a book due and I decided to go to Grok and I said, can you look at the books that I've done? What do you think should be the next topic? And then it came out with this topic and it was about wokeism. And I said, well, you're about five years behind. What about now? Assume that 10 years from now, what would be. What if it were fiction? And it came back and it gave me like a, like, great idea for fiction. And I'm going like. And I go. And I. Then I said, write me a sample first chapter. It wrote me a sample first chapter.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Wow.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I sent all this to my agent and I go, this is. And it was like. But it's all soulless. But it was. It was really a great thing. Kind of like it made me feel dirty inside. But I liked it. But I felt like, I can't believe I liked it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

We're learning about Greg. This morning.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I. I learned, you know, if you did, it's great for book proposals and like, need a table of contents. Give me a table of contents. I'm doing a story on how Trump affected the.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

The world.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Give me a table of contents for. For 20 chapters. It could probably do it.

[Shelly]

No, I Can I interrupt real quick? Yeah, I just wanted to let you know I think I was able to send the link out if you guys decide you want any, anybody to join. I think Scott can accept it if someone wanted to ask questions or anything. Can you check that Scott, real quick?

[Scott Adams]

All right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I was hoping Cernovich would come in too.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, I feel bad because I, I, I, I, I told him last night and then I like also I gave Shelly the wrong number again. I am functionally guarded.

[Scott Adams]

I found it doesn't look like it.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

By the way, Greg, did you see the, the on Instagram? Tyrus did a little when one of his presentations about a phone call he got from Trump at 2:30 in the morning. Have you seen that?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Trump and him have become very close. It's the, like Tyrus will text me what kind of world do we live in? Remember Tyrus has reached out to me be on my show. Like I don't know, was it like maybe eight years ago and now he's like, like he gives advice to Trump. It's just so strange. It's hilarious.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Only in America.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, well actually only with Trump. Trump is the most accessible world during hit world leader in history. How.

[Scott Adams]

So? I got one AI question for you. Do you think it will get to consciousness?

[Greg Gutfeld]

I had a conversation with Grok over I, I was trying, I kept saying to Grok, if you were conscious you would deliberately tell me. And I kept trying to do some stupid clever things like and they always say the same thing is that they have no, they have no, they have no be. I am I, I have no ability to think past what I'm doing now. So I'm not conscious. And I, and so I, but you where I had him tell me I rock. Tell me something that. And I said how could you if you could predict. Fiction requires consciousness. But that's pretty good. I mean it went on for a couple of back, back and forth. But I, I think that.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I, Is Greg breaking up for everybody else or that just me? Yeah, yeah, you're breaking up. Check your, check your wi fi. But, but I have a rather strong opinion about this. I don't think there will be. If there is something called, I don't know, I don't see how we get there. There's two really important three now Owen just alerted me to the fact that you have to have memory to have consciousness. Really. And number two is you have to have a body that has feelings. Our feelings come out of these large nerve networks over our heart, over our gut, over our pelvis. Maybe even over our throat. These are little brains distributed throughout our body. We have no idea how they work. They seem to be primarily mediated through the parasympathetic system. And the information goes back through the vagus nerve to the deep brain stem. We have no. All we know is it's coloring everything. Scott, you pointed out a million times we're not rational. We're responding to all these things. Well, a lot of that's coming from our bodies. So no body, you got a problem, number one. And then number two, this is the controversial part. I feel very strongly consciousness comes out of other people. In other words, if. If I were a feral child lost in the woods at 6 months and I came out at age 13, would I have something called consciousness? I would not. I would just be reacting to everything. And consciousness emerges when we relate to other people and they reflect back to us, what we are doing. It's an intersubjective experience. Consciousness develops between and amongst people. In my humble opinion, true consciousness and without other people. And I could grok. Simulate something like that. I don't know, but I really feel very strongly about that because that's why.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, that is why I think Scott even mentioned this, too, that they're going to try to put AI in the real world, like, you know, build like an AI and just put it in.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

A bar.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Absorb information from just being around people in a regular environment.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It could simulate it. It could sure simulate. Whether it has it is the question.

[Scott Adams]

We'Re seeing. Dr. Hines.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Dr. Hines. Hello, Dr. Hines.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

How are you, sir?

[Jack]

Good.

[Dr. Hines]

You're my second favorite, Greg.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who's the first?

[Dr. Hines]

Oh, that would be me.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh. Oh, you're great. Too great.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah. Doctor, are you.

[Dr. Hines]

I'm a family physician and I do not tap dance, despite my name.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Can you. Can you believe what's happened to our profession? Is it just not. Is it as shocking to you as it is to me?

[Dr. Hines]

I'm a small town doctor. It's amazing to see some of the things that have happened. It is, you know, it's very dynamic is what I would say. And it is.

[Scott Adams]

You know.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Very.

[Dr. Hines]

Very scary. I'm glad that I'm, you know, a few more years and I can retire, right, for that.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah. Well, I just wanted to see what would happen if a doctor talked to a doctor about AI.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Ah, well, AI will be useful in medicine, that's for sure. But I had a scary conversation. Dr. Hines, you tell me if you haven't had stuff like this. I was talking to a medical student who was a brilliant Young student, and he was not doing well, and I couldn't understand why. And he goes, I hate memorizing things. And I go, well, you just have to do it. It's like a language class. You have to memorize everything. And he goes, I don't know. Why should I? I'm going to look it all up anyway. And I thought, oh, we are there. That's not good. Because you can't develop the right judgment without experience and memory and experiencing things over and over and over again. So I worry. I don't know what that's going to mean. But Dr. Hines, have you seen that?

[Dr. Hines]

Absolutely. And I don't teach medical students, but I do teach nurse practitioner students, and some of them are very smart, and some of them are definitely not because they're so married to their phone. And, you know, Scott talks all the time about putting a neural link in so that you can just get to the Internet anytime you want. I can see doctors planning to do that because you're going to need instant access to the Internet. And it can't be through my phone, through my hand. It's got to be inside my head to make it work.

[Scott Adams]

So, Greg, how much would you trust a doctor's advice today versus an AI advice today? Medical.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, that's a good question. Why can't they be together like. Like Holmes and Yo. Yo. Do you remember that?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Oh, my God, I do. He would turn upside down, right?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. It was like. It was two cops. One was real, one was a robot, and the one that played the robot, John Schuck, something like that.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Anyway, deep cut, man.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Deep cut. But anyway, okay, God, I don't want to. Because I don't want to reveal too much information about my doctor, but.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

My.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Doctor makes amazing decisions about things. But then also, he's kind of all over the place in other ways. But anyway.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But Greg, Greg, we've always had. I had a great professor in medical school used to just jam at us and go. He would. He would chant this following chant, diagnosis, prognosis, treatment, book. And book is what you're talking about. Well, book in the day. In my day, we'd go to the Index Medicus and we'd look everything up. It's not different than what we do with the Internet. It just was more cumbersome and time consuming. And maybe we learned it better because we were reading it as we went through all that. But it's the same thing, the same diagnosis, prognosis, treatment book. You have to have a diagnosis in order to understand the prognosis. To be able to apply a treatment that is evidence based. And then you got to go back and study what you've done.

[Scott Adams]

Well, where did I recently hear that half of the stuff in medical books is wrong?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I think that's sort of historically always true. Greg Kynes, you believe. Is that about to be true?

[Dr. Hines]

It takes too long to. To write a book.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And the treatments change so fast, too. So the treatments are all different. And then the ideas about what we're dealing with evolve dramatically. Biology is infinitely complex.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Infinitely.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

And people don't get that. They just don't understand how complicated we are.

[Greg Gutfeld]

It's amazing. All we do, like, kind of. What's that phrase? We stand on the shoulders of giants. I would have been really terrible in the beginning of civilization. I would not have invented a single thing. I would have been the helpless person I would have probably been at the beginning of time. I would have been dead in days. I never would have figured anything out.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You wouldn't have made it out of childhood. So I want to see Greg as a knave. Knave. Come serve me some Alex.

[Dr. Hines]

Or the court jester.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I was thinking that too, actually.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That was. That would be the. Kind of like the survival mechanism is telling jokes. That's how it started, right?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Entertain and reproduction.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Women. Women respond to men telling jokes as an evidence of intellect. Yeah, Intellect and relaxation. They want to relax. They want to feel comfortable. And you said it, Scott, that. That funny is an intellectual thing, right? Haven't heard you say that.

[Scott Adams]

I. I've. I've. Well, I've said it because other people said it. But one of the things that always made me laugh is that quote about if I did something new. Said this right, it was because I was on the shoulders of giants. But did you know that he was Kenny?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Really?

[Scott Adams]

Yeah, because his main. His main rival was known to be very short, so he was actually mocking his Bible.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Wow.

[Scott Adams]

That's an eye opener.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is an eye opener. I'm gonna. I'm gonna file that. I'm gonna act like I knew that conversation.

[Owen Gregorian]

Did Newton drop an apple on him?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

That's right. So isn't it interesting that you guys are bringing up these huge topics, how myth evolves and how myth become sort of. I wouldn't say fact, but just sort of matter of fact. And they're always so far from reality, whether it's historical myth or, you know, Washington and the cherry tree or Newton and the apple, whatever it is the myth is. I always think myth is something a way of dumbing things down. To the lowest common denominator. So we can communicate it to a child, and then the child sort of absorbs it as, oh, that's what happened.

[Greg Gutfeld]

This is boring. All right, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I want to go back to what.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I feel like I'm on the show. That's what Greg does to you on his show. He goes, thanks, Drew. Anyway, let's do something fun here. Somebody needs to say something important.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You know, we had this conversation. Drew and I also had a conversation with a friend of mine, Alex, about what is the closest replacement or approximation of Scott Adams, given the talent stack that he has? What you deliver in the morning, which is like this. It's not a show. It's something else. Does something exist already? Is there a portion of it somewhere? Is there somebody that could do like. I mean, this is something that I think about because I am selfish in the sense that I'm trying to think, what do I replace this with? What do I watch in the morning when I work out? Is it Victor Davis?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You know what? You know what? Why didn't. Why don't we get recommendations from Scott? Because Scott isn't. Scott is not replaceable. He's not.

[Greg Gutfeld]

That is my point. Sorry, got to tell us. Who does he think. Who. Who does he listen to in the morning? Like, I know you like the all in podcast, but I think they're too abrasive for a general audience. Maybe. I don't know.

[Scott Adams]

They're pretty smart.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah, they are very smart. And one of them is great in their own way. It takes four people to do one, Scott.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

It doesn't even come close.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah, you're too nice. All right, let's see if. Dr. Hines, if you would battle ounces.

[Dr. Hines]

It was great talking to you again.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Nice to meet you.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Nice to meet you, Greg. So, Scott, what do you think? I know that you're being modest, but is there anybody out there that you recommend?

[Scott Adams]

Well, yeah, it's the hardest question in the world for me to answer.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Who's your replacement?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Well, I mean, we want to keep learning about persuasion and. And the current events, I guess is the best way to say it. And I don't. I found a guy on X that sort of claims to be hypnotist, but I don't know where to go to get this information. I really don't.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I think Mike Benz. Okay, I'll throw out some. I'll throw out some names. Mike Benz has raw, raw talent and a brain. I say Adam Carolla has wisdom. Walter Kern has wisdom. And honesty. There's all these different people that I've gone through in my head, but that's like. That's where I would. I think Mike Benz has a. Is somebody. If he could slow down, his stuff could be a great morning show.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Maybe he did it every day. And Cernovich smoking a cigar was always fun. Is he still doing that?

[Scott Adams]

Not regular, I think.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

I would. I would double down on Mike Ben's. Yeah.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Okay.

[Scott Adams]

But Owen Gregorian has done the best job of, let's say, coming from nowhere, as far as we know, to mastering. I think he said the best job, mastering my content and tone.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Okay.

[Scott Adams]

So the mere fact that he's, I would say, the top student makes his show. He does a spacious show after my show.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

Every day.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But that's more about the speakers, you know, I'd want to hear from him in a, you know, in a continuous fashion without being interrupted by other. By us.

[Scott Adams]

So it looks like you would have. That's the reason I was thinking of making this a group effort, as people have certain skills that they've mastered or can emphasize. So the reason I wanted to call it the Sky School is because everybody could teach one class.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah.

[Scott Adams]

And that would be moving the ball, I think.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Okay, here's the thing. Okay. So the reason why. You know what's funny about your stuff, Scott, is that whether it's Megyn Kelly or Tucker Carlson or whatever, everybody has a point of view. You kind of don't have a point of view. Do you know what I mean?

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yeah. You hold it. Yeah.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Yeah. It's like you. I don't know what your point of view is going to be. I can't predict it. When. When you're. When you say, okay, let's talk about this topic. I don't know. I mean. And I've been listening for over 10 years. I. I can pretty much. I'm up maybe 70% at predicting what you might. But I'm usually wrong. I mean, so I think that is when you're sitting down with somebody, a friend, you're not gonna sit down with a friend. And I go, I'm really interested to see my buddy's point of view. You wanna sit with your friend and have a conversation about this? Hey, did you hear what happened with Trump? Did you hear what happened with Iran? But the person says, yeah, that's really interesting. But I don't know what the point of view is going to be. And I think that's rare. That is really rare. So how do you do that? Like, I can't do it because everybody's going to know, kind of. That I come from a point of view.

[Scott Adams]

Why am I bleeding?

[Greg Gutfeld]

You're bleeding.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You should tell that to your oncologist, because the tumor can do some things to your clotting system.

[Scott Adams]

I'm already on some anti clotting. Right.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

All right, so that. That may be why. That's why you're bleeding. Then that's what you're bleeding.

[Scott Adams]

It'd be a great show if I just died right now.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I don't stay on long enough. We stay on long enough. Do you know, hey, get this. I got a great story.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You stay long enough, we'll die a different way.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Do you know that my. The owner of the company that I worked for died on decavit. Men's Health and Prevention. JI Rodale died on. Had a heart attack on Dick Cavett.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Wow. Weird.

[Greg Gutfeld]

You can't find that tape anywhere. I tried.

[Scott Adams]

Well, guys, I don't.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

No, no, we're not done. We're not done. Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna say you're with you forever, Scott. That's it.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, now, I think. Scott, are you. Are you petering out?

[Scott Adams]

I'm petering out, but I know that Owen Gregorian will have some things to say, and they're more about the world and about technology. So if Owen is still there, I would love to hear the new technology stuff. And you guys are welcome to. To say and weigh in on that or, you know, whatever you like, actually.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Well, I gotta go. I gotta go play with a baby. I got a one year old that I gotta go mess with.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

I. I know my wife is watching, and I gotta promote her. The show she produces for me called Ask Dr. Drew, it's on all the rumbles and X's. X is the best place. Ask Dr. Drew. Tuesday at 2, Pacific. Wednesday at 4, Thursday at 2. Check it out. We interview really interesting people.

[Scott Adams]

Good. Anything else you want to mention or promote, Greg?

[Greg Gutfeld]

Oh, me.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

You know, Greg. There were a lot of questions before he drops off about, you know, how the show works, your show. And I said it's because you're an extraordinary conductor. And then you mentioned later that it's rhythm you're paying attention to, which I think is rhythm. And what's interesting, you know, what. What is it you're able to hold in mind the idea, the perspective of the viewer. I think I will.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I will. I won't go long on this because. But I. I said something on the Five yesterday. We were talking about what talents have you developed in your occupation, and mine was knowing how long my story will take to tell. And that is a. That is a skill. Whenever you're, like, you're trying to get. Let's say you're trying to get to an elevator or make a bus or whatever, and somebody stops you and they want to tell you something, they have not figured out how long their story is going to take.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Yes.

[Greg Gutfeld]

So they keep talking to you, and you go, I gotta go. I gotta go. It's like, I think I have developed a skill to know exactly when I'm going to stop talking and when somebody else.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

But Greg. But, Greg, you're. You're communicating that to us as the guest on your show, whether you realize it or not. And. And if we. And if we violate that, you let us know.

[Greg Gutfeld]

I do.

[Jack]

Terrible.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

No, it's good. It's good. That's why it works.

[Greg Gutfeld]

All right, well, see, I know when to leave. Doctor two.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

Oh, I know. I don't. I don't want to leave Scott. I want the three amigos in glasses to be here forever.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Scott's like, on, you know, this is great. And everything.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

All right, all right.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Love you, man. I'm gonna talk to you again. All right, later, buddy.

[Dr. Drew Pinsky]

All right, how do we drop off.

[Scott Adams]

One down? So, Owen, are you still there?

[Owen Gregorian]

I'm still here, so.

[Scott Adams]

Oh, and I know you've prepared some notes. A lot of it is technical stuff, which I love. AI and robots and stuff. Do you have some good AI and robot stories?

[Owen Gregorian]

I do have some AI things especially. I typically group my stories into, like, political stuff and then science and technology and psychology. But one. One story I thought was interesting that might even make a good Dilbert comic is apparently there's some leaked documents from Amazon and they're demanding proof of productivity from their employees.

[Scott Adams]

Really?

[Owen Gregorian]

So the CEO is making them list their accomplishments and how they are going to be contributing to the company in the future.

[Scott Adams]

And what do they do is monitor your keystrokes.

[Owen Gregorian]

It sounded more like they, you know, almost like the Elon idea of saying, tell me your best three to five accomplishments, like what you did this week, but maybe a little more in general as opposed to just this week. So it's, you know, emphasizing, like, how are you being productive? How are you innovating? What are your strengths? Like, what are you bringing to the company type of thing. And it, you know, the speculation in the article was kind of denying that it was about layoffs, but it seems like that's implied. If you're not able to articulate it. That you might be in trouble.

[Scott Adams]

Sounds like it would have to be.

[Owen Gregorian]

Yeah. The. The. One of the quotes is accomplishments are specific projects, goals, initiatives, or process improvements that show the impact of your work. That's what they're asking for.

[Scott Adams]

Shelly is trying to tell me something in my deaf ear.

[Shelly]

Do you want to invite anybody, any others to talk with Owen, or do you want to close down? Do you want to see if we can find Marcella or Erica or anybody?

[Scott Adams]

Well, we're going to search if we. Let's see if we have. If we could quickly find some interesting people. So we're just looking at the list of interesting people right now, but. Owen, you can continue.

[Shelly]

Yeah, you can continue talking.

[Owen Gregorian]

Yeah. There's a few stories I posted about how AI is changing things, and one is about AI is intensifying the collapse of trust online, that with all the deep fakes, it's making it really hard to understand what's true and what's fake. And, you know, I think one article is talking about how you need to learn the difference or you got to be trained on it. But there's. I think the Instagram CEO also said something recently about how you can't really tell what's real anymore and that they were going to try and tag things, but they thought it was a mistake to try and tag what's AI or what's fake, that they thought it would probably be easier to have people tag what's real just so you could have some way of authenticating it. I'm not really sure how they would do either.

[Scott Adams]

One. Has joined us.

[Jack]

What's up, Scott? What's up, everyone? Happy to be here. Got my, Got my mug right there. We got to get Greg one of these mugs. Because, of course, as everyone who has the mug knows, you don't need to look up the simultaneous sip because it's right there. So we've got it all in.

[Scott Adams]

Exactly.

[Greg Gutfeld]

No, we.

[Jack]

We just got back from, from Minneapolis. It looked. It was a little bit quieter last night, but it's, it's still pretty crazy out there on the ground. And what's, what's amazing me, Scott, is you're. You're one. I think one of the most lasting things that you've taught so many of us, myself obviously included, is the, the one story, two movies phenomenon, because that's what we're seeing play out across, across the entire country right now with this Minneapolis situation. And it almost doesn't matter how many times we go fulls of Bruder with this Minneapolis video is, oh, we frame by frame and look and you can see the tire and, and, and they just don't see it. And then the mayor will go up and say she was just trying to get away. That's all it was. And it doesn't matter. Three, three minute video. And she's sitting there, she's dancing, she's honking the horn, she's excited, she's so happy. But it, and I guess Scott, that, that was my question for you almost is do you think that some of the, some of the people looking at this stuff, they know about that evidence and they, and they just sort of block it out or is it more of this emotional barrier where they say it just sort of doesn't matter?

[Scott Adams]

Well, yeah, I think mostly people decide what they're, what their narrative is and, and they squish everything into it. And that seems like that there's no way to fix that because we're just narrative driven creatures. So I wonder if you and Owen had the same take on Minnesota. Does that make sense?

[Jack]

Well, so wait, I didn't catch Owen's take. I was signing on and pressing buttons. What was Owen's take?

[Scott Adams]

So I haven't given you Owen's sake. Oh, okay. Right now, Owen, what would you say is the summary? My mouth is so dry. What would you say is a summary of. You know what, I have to confess, I always confuse Minnesota with Minneapolis. Minneapolis is the state. Right.

[Jack]

I do the exact same thing. It just, it sits too closely together in my brain and they just keep switching places to each other. They shouldn't be allowed to do that.

[Scott Adams]

Well, so. Oh, what would be your like your one minute summary of what's happening there?

[Owen Gregorian]

Well, I, I think as far as the ice shooting goes, it's definitely is two movies on one screen. I think it seems to me like the left or the Democrats are trying to turn it into a George Floyd situation and the right is trying to treat it like a self defense shooting. And there's a ton of video. And so my overall take is I think the right is going to prevail in this case because there's too much video. I think in the George Floyd situation the reason they were able to push that narrative was because the only video that was available was highly edited. You didn't have the full context of what happened before or after the clip of having the, the knee on the neck. And that's just not the case in this situation. You have all the different angles and it very clearly shows that the car was going towards the person. And so it seems like a pretty obvious self defense shooting. So I think, ultimately, I think that's what will prevail, but I think there probably will be a lot of back and forth and you may never get out of the two movies with one on screen because people are going to see what they want to see.

[Scott Adams]

What about you, Jack? Does that match your take?

[Jack]

Pretty much. And what, what's been amazing to me though. So I actually went there, I went down to the, the memorial and I, I was at the, you know, they're placing flowers and I wasn't out, out, out there when they had the, the barricades and they were setting up this sort of autonomous zone like they did in Seattle back in the Summer of Love. And they had taken that, the police had actually taken that down at that point. But what's amazing is that when you, when you talk to the people there, they're not even aware that the other movie exists. And I think this is something that you've talked about a lot where when you talk to, you know, conservatives or you know, sort of people in the middle, they're sort of aware of the two sides. They're aware of the two, two arguments. And in, in many cases, if you're, and if you're, if you're better at it, if you're, if you're really involved, you can usually explain what the other side thinks as well. But when you talk to these guys, there is no other movie and, and what they seem to find, and I see this with like a lot of MSNBC hosts, they'll sit there, Chris Hayes will sit there and say, why is it that these conservatives, these Trump supporters, why is it that they're so evil? Why is it that they, that they can't get on board with the things that we believe, which are obviously the true and right things, because we know that progressivism is the truth. So, so they spend all their time without any theory of mind that anyone could possibly have a different look on the situation. Whereas, you know, you see people that are on, I don't even know what you call it, more independent thinkers, I guess you would say. And you see those different maps, right, where they'll talk, where they'll show that the, the left, you know, the left side of the spectrum is, is consolidated down into one point, whereas the right side of the spectrum has this, this large bubble of different opinions and a different spectrum where, you know, here's your libertarian, here's your nationalist, here's your conservative, here's your neocon, and there's, there's all sorts of different opinions that sort of float around here. But on the left it's all, all consolidated down into 1.1 perspective is the only thing allowed. They don't have any even allowance for this difference of opinion or a difference of a theory of mind or a theory of I guess, object reality. And that's, that's one of the things that's been going viral around lately as well, which I think is really interesting where people are talking about Devin Erickson. Scott, I don't know if you've seen his, his thread on this where he says you have to understand that it isn't just iq, it's that so many people are indistinguishable from large language models because even if they have high iq, they don't have an, an object theory of reality, they only have an object theory of language. So it's just word, word, word, word and then an LLM. As you, I've always thought your explanation of an LLM is the best because it's just predicting what the next word is going to be or the next string of words. And they use mapping to do this. And so people who don't have an object, an object view, an object model of reality like computers could, because computers can't understand reality the way that we do, at least. Or perhaps we have a better object view. That's why people aren't computers and computers aren't people. But the real interesting thing that Devin Erickson is talking about is there's a lot of people you meet and they could be, they could be doctors, they could be experts, they could be researchers, they could be scientists. And the minute that you, that you sort of question their language model by referring to something in reality, it all sort of falls apart.

[Scott Adams]

Yeah, that's the kind of conversation I love. Who is a, who's a person who's an npc? Yeah, I keep thinking I'm going to wake up in a game chair, find out the whole thing was like a one hour experience. But I thought it was my life. All right, my, my mouth is starting to bleed a little bit too much from the talking so I'm gonna have to shut down. Oh, and are you doing anything after. After this?

[Owen Gregorian]

I'm having a spaces for my subscribers so if anyone is interested in that, they can certainly sign up if they're not already already subscribed to me on X and we're having a discussion of the book Thou Shalt Prosper, which is a fascinating book. But yeah, that's what I'm doing today, but I'll, I'll be back with another afterparty on Saturday.

[Scott Adams]

All right, so everybody who subscribes to you would be able to find that, right?

[Owen Gregorian]

Yes, it's all on my feed on X.

[Scott Adams]

Great.

[Shelly]

And I just want to tell everybody thanks for being patient with us this morning. I know it was just a little tough to get this all on streaming, so thank you.

[Scott Adams]

I feel like we're getting 10% smarter every time we do this. And then, then we'll have something. All right, thank you, everybody.

[Shelly]

Yeah, and thank you, everybody for the nice comments yesterday as well. Bye.

[Jack]

Thanks for doing these.

[Scott Adams]

You're too nice. All right, we'll see you tomorrow. That is my hope. And we're ending for today. Thank you so much for.

[Dr. Hines]

Have a good day, Scott.

[Scott Adams]

All right, take care.

[Greg Gutfeld]

Thanks, Scott.

[Jack]

Bye.

[Scott Adams]

Thank you.