E (3:52)

All right.

A (3:55)

I miss him, you guys. I can't believe it's another, you know, that we're into another week now and it's not getting easier, obviously. How do you guys quickly, you know, feel? It's not easier.

C (4:14)

No, I think. I think it's harder now as the days go, because you realize the weekend we didn't have coffee with Scott Adams. And how many decades is that? Like it was one decade without that. So it hit me hard yesterday. I think I told you guys. But, yeah, it's not easy. It probably will get easier with time, but is forever. I saw a post or a reply online saying, oh, you know, I'm gonna be sad when. When people forget Scott. No, people are not going to forget. And we're not going to allow people to forget Scott Adams.

A (5:00)

That's right. He's unforgettable. Serge. Oh, you guys, I'm sorry, I'm Erica. Marcella just spoke. We have Sergio below with the beanie, the Scott Adams beanie, which is back for sale, you guys, by popular demand. Kevin Summers is joining us today and the voice of Owen Gregorian.

E (5:19)

Good morning, everyone.

A (5:20)

Sergio, you want to say something about that?

B (5:23)

About Owen?

A (5:25)

No, about how we. It's not easier, and it feels almost.

C (5:28)

Harder now, you know?

B (5:31)

Well, I'm a pro at this, unfortunately. You know, I'm a pro and I've been through it with the strongest ones. And I gotta say that Scott's advice of putting yourself into a service, being useful, and honoring that person's legacy and transition to. It's the most important things to do to stay sane. Because it's not going to get easier. We all have to get stronger, okay? Jocko Willink is the best at it. He has a beautiful song on this that I played over and over again when that happened. Marcela, do you not remember the name of the song? Because I forgot the name of the song.

A (6:18)

Maybe you can post it in the notes later.

C (6:22)

Yeah, through lots of, you know, He's a Navy seal. He went through Afghanistan and the Iraq war, and he has a lot of advice on grieving.

B (6:37)

Yes. And. Yeah, so I think we. We are. Is being helping a lot, you guys, you know, like, you know, talking to you guys and. And I look so happy to see Kevin, by the way. Kevin is one of the OGs in the chat, and everybody knows Kevin, and Kevin has been very supportive with me for a long time, too, and I appreciate that. Kevin. Thank you.

C (6:59)

He's known as Kev.

F (7:03)

I go by Kev on locals. It's been tough, and I keep reminding myself of some of Scott's reframes on death and grieving and loss.

E (7:15)

And it.

F (7:18)

I lost my mom about a year ago and. And it was super helpful.

E (7:22)

And.

F (7:22)

And just using his own advice on him has. Has been just sort of a saving grace. I'll say.

A (7:32)

Owen, smile.

F (7:33)

Smile.

A (7:34)

That it.

F (7:34)

That I got to know him.

A (7:36)

Yeah. Yeah.

E (7:36)

Well, I mean, I'm sure it certainly hit me hard and I'm still going through it, but I would. I was going to say the same thing that I. I think SJV just posted one of Scott's segments on getting rid of anxiety, but it really focused on getting ready for a loss. And, like, a loss, you know, is coming. In his case, he was focusing on, like, the death of a pet because he knew that he would have to deal with Snickers death coming up.

A (8:04)

And.

E (8:06)

So he talked about how you could prepare for that. And a lot of it was the reframe about it being an honor and a privilege to be part of it.

A (8:13)

Yeah.

E (8:16)

But it's worth seeing. I think I reposted that from SGV on my timeline this morning. But, you know, that that sort of thing is helping me. I mean, that is really how I'm thinking about it, is that it's been an honor and a privilege to be part of the process and just to be, you know, know, helping to keep Scott's legacy going. So that's what I'm focusing on.

A (8:37)

Yeah. That's amazing. You guys on all the platforms listening, if you hear us mention someone's name like Jocko or sjv, if you guys would in the chat, can you at them so people can say, oh, who's Jocko? Or who's sjv or whatever we're talking about, that would really help the others that are watching the chat to know who these people are and perhaps follow along. So I like that, you know, you guys shared that. I was having a really bad night last night. Some of you know, but if this is like a great time and Kevin has decided to do a reframe for us. So listen, we can reframe anything as Scott has taught us. It's so important. And all you have to do is think about reframing whatever situation you're in and create it. If there isn't one written in his book, create it. So I'm going to hand it over to Kevin. He's going to tell us what page in your reframe your brain book and let's get a reframe and then we're going to go right to the news with Owen and Marcella. Okay? So thanks, Kevin. Take it away.

F (9:41)

You bet. Thank you. So we're going to do the wanting versus deciding reframe today. And this is like the third page of chapter two. If you have the soft copy, it's page 15. In my own little hierarchy of reframes, this is like a big daddy reframe upon which many, many reframes hang. So I absolutely love this. Wanting versus Deciding. If you want something, you might be willing to work hard to get it within reason. But if you decide to have something, you will do whatever it takes. Usual frame. I want to do something. Reframe. I've decided to do something. If I were to make a list of all the business startups and other money making schemes I've worked on during my career and then divide that long list into what worked out well and what failed, there would be a pattern. You wouldn't notice the pattern, but I would. The efforts that failed were all ones I wanted to succeed and I worked hard to make them succeed. I wasn't doing all nighters or risking money I couldn't afford to lose, but I put in great effort and yes, some cash. None of those wants worked out. Luckily, several business projects did work out. Dilbert became an international sensation. I wrote several best selling books and I was one of the highest paid speakers in the country for several years. To be fair, I was only able to do all of that because the original Dilbert comic strip took off. And there is one thing that stands out about that initial Dilbert success. I didn't want to be a successful cartoonist. I decided to be one.

B (11:30)

When I.

F (11:30)

Was offered a syndication contract in 1988. The ultimate big break for a cartoonist. Made a promise to myself that no matter what happened, I would never allow myself to look back and say I didn't work hard enough to make it a success. I knew I was entering a field in which the odds of making it big were around 1% even after getting the syndication contract, which was already insanely unlikely. The syndication company sells comics to newspapers and web platforms and splits the money with the cartoonists. I had a contract, but zero newspaper clients on day one. By the end of the first year of selling Dilbert comics to newspapers, only a few small newspapers were carrying the strip. At that point, seeing no hope of a big hit, salespeople moved on to the next comic. It was being launched. If Dilbert was going to succeed, I would need to make it happen on my own. And so I worked my day job while also writing and promoting the Dilbert comic for several years. I later wrote books and did licensing for over 10 years. I had the equivalent of three full time jobs. I worked seven days a week, including holidays. I did everything I could do to promote the comic, putting 100% of my mind and body into it. For many of those years, I answered hundreds of emails per day from fans. By the way, I sent an email to him and he did respond within a day. It was really neat. Thirty years ago, I traveled the country for book signings and autograph sessions that would last hours. I did photo shoots and interviews several times per week for a decade. Dilbert was the first syndicated comic to be published on the Internet, which also took a lot of work on paper. My workload from those years looks impossible. If I had merely wanted to succeed, I don't think I could have lasted. But I didn't merely want to succeed. I decided to succeed. And once you decide, the psychology of the situation changes. A crushing workload felt like a privilege. I reminded myself that almost any cartoonist would want to trade places with me. It was never easy and it was never painless. But I was unstoppable because I had succeeded. Decided. If you are wondering how you can know if the thing you desire is a want or a decision, I can help with that. It's easy if you are not sure, you have not decided. If you decide, you won't have any doubt that that's what makes it a decision. I just love that reframe.

B (14:17)

That's a binder.

F (14:19)

I think about this constantly and I think about it. I try to. Generally, I'm an optimist and I try to think about it very positively. But I have had family members who've done the opposite here. And you know, you can talk yourself into just any reality you like. So for me, you know, this informs the sort of that talk track you have going on in your head and the decisions you make. The way you prioritize you know, you are what you think about. And for me, again, it's, it's a big daddy reframe. And I love this one.

A (15:01)

I need to remind myself about this too, because sometimes, like, oh, I want to do that. And honestly, maybe it's a Libra thing, you guys. I'm bringing the reality to the engineer minds. I'm sorry, I'm not like, I must be like a shock system for a lot of people. But anyway, I live like in this library balancing act on top of a fence all the time. I can see both sides of a story. If you ask me do I want to go to this restaurant or this one, I will vacillate for an hour about it. So I definitely teeter between wanting and deciding a lot. And I have to push myself more for the decision because if I stay in the want, I often have regrets. So I'm glad that you brought this up today because there's a few things I need to really make the decision to do. And I'm going to remember this and I'm going to think about Scott up until the end. Like everything you read about his career and how he did Dilber and for the amount of years and working a full time job and this and that, like, yeah, he made a decision and he also made a decision to keep going till the very end with us. And he could have not, he could have stopped anytime he wanted and any one of us would have fully understood. So, yeah, I think that's a great lesson for me today and maybe for you guys.

F (16:29)

Yeah, I think also when you are a decider and become known as a decider and there's no question, oh, he's a decider, he's a decider. People look at you a little differently instead of, you know, oh, you know, I want this, I want that, I want a million bucks, you know, what have you.

B (16:46)

Yeah, you, you develop a reputation with yourself. You know, you start, oh my gosh, you started, you know, thinking, look, you know, this guy means business and, or this girl, you know, and the more you do those. And one guy that reminds me of that is Trump too. So Trump decided if you read the. Out of the deal, you know, that is when he goes from wanting to deciding, basically when he says Greenland might be nice, that that means that he decided to have it. So that's a. I don't know. I wanted to inject that because it's happening right now. So. Oh, Erica, I cannot hear you.

A (17:30)

I just said, yeah, I, I agree. Does, does anyone else want to expound on the. On the reframe. I think there's a lot of deciders within the group because this is a very, you know, intelligent, successful group of people Scott has cultivated. But I think we, in some aspects of our life, we are still sitting on the want instead of deciding. So maybe, maybe everybody today, your homework could be like, what's something I've been wanting to do and I haven't decided to do it, and then either make a decision that is worth the decision or let it go and. And then, like, figure out what. What else you need to do to get where you want to be. I'm going to do that today. I actually have a couple things I'm going to take off, and then a couple things I'm going to make the decision. So I'm going to do the same thing.

F (18:22)

I'm going to do the same thing.

B (18:23)

They can post it online.

F (18:24)

Hey, actually, publicly sharing those commitments, as we know, sure helps.

A (18:33)

I like that. Yeah.

E (18:34)

I mean, I think. I think one thing I would add to it is just you need to be careful what you decide on. I mean, because the frame we're talking about here is a real commitment, like, you're going to do whatever it takes to make this happen. And so you can't do that with everything. You know, you can't just be like, well, now I'm a decider, so everything I decide I'm going to do. And, like, that doesn't work. Right. You have to be selective about probably only one thing at a time, really, of saying, I'm going to make this thing happen and I'm going to put aside whatever else and sacrifice whatever else I need to to make that happen. And so I think that's an important part of it, and I think Scott has talked about that too, where you need to be willing to make sacrifices, you need to be willing to put off other things or prioritize other things. And then, Kevin, to your point, this leads into a lot of other reframes or a lot of other things Scott has talked about. In terms of once you've decided to do something, then you might develop a system for it. And that would be how you would get that going. You would say, okay, what needs to be true or what needs to happen? What is a system for making this happen? And I know Scott has talked about that in the same story of his career, saying how he developed his system for that. And we've seen it every day where he has his routine, he does his thing every day, same way. But that's the result of a very honed system he figured out. How do I manage my energy? How do I, you know, get out of writer's block? How do I make all these things happen so that I can always achieve the result that I need to achieve? And so I think it definitely ties into a lot of his other wisdom that he shared with us.

C (20:15)

I agree, I agree with that, Owen. But one of the things that he says that Kevin read is not only do you have to decide, but you have to work, work for your position. Like, I can't just decide I'll be a billionaire and just sit around. No, he worked tirelessly, even almost to his death. And that's, that's a great example. And I think all of us want to, want to be like that. And it's, it takes work and it takes focus. Because that's one thing that he said, said in what Kevin read is like, I did this non stop interviews, non stop work, and when I felt tired, I realized everybody would want to be in my place, so I needed to be unstoppable. So that goes together with deciding.

E (21:16)

Yeah, I think, I mean, it certainly it is all about taking the actions. And I think that ties into his talk about affirmations because that focuses your mind on a particular thing. And he's talked about that saying you can't do affirmations for lots of different stuff. You have to pick one thing and just, you know, write it a hundred times, say it a hundred times, you know, do it over and over again until it really sinks in. And that focuses your mind on that one outcome or that one thing that you're trying to make happen. And I think it ties directly into this deciding. And. But that's where like the Secret, if anybody remembers that book was wrong because that they had the same affirmation sort of message. But they said, well, what you were just saying, like, oh, you can just say I'm going to be a billionaire and then the universe is going to make it happen for you. And it's like they only gave you half the answer. It's like. And I would also say it doesn't mean you can just ask for whatever you want. I mean, Scott has said a lot of very amazing things have happened to him based on this process. So I'm not trying to limit that. But at the same time he says, don't be necessarily so specific. Don't say I want a billion dollars, just say I want more money or I want to be successful or something that's more general so that it can be a lot of different things that would fit that description as opposed to maybe something impossible. And he said certain things like winning the lottery, it's not going to work. But if you make that decision and you make those affirmations to focus on that outcome, you still need to take action. You need to do the things that come into your head that says, okay, if I want this to happen, I need to put this system in place, I need to take these actions, I need to call these people, I need to do these things. And that's what actually makes it happen. It's not just the thought, it's the actions you take as a result of that.

A (23:01)

Well, and oh, and like this is exactly where, like you said systems for your goals. So you got to put in the place the systems probably work on your talent stack. You might fail along the way, but, you know, fall down seven, get up eight. Right. So you just keep going until like if you, and if you exhaust all of it and you're like, okay, there's no way around it and it really works on it, it's also okay to move on from it. I mean, Scott has shown us how many ideas and different business ventures he started and had to stop. But he really put his all into it. And I think we're better armed now than Scott was because he taught us all the things that he did to be able to achieve the big goal. So now we know how to do it, how to reframe and how to put in systems and, and yeah, like just utilize all the resources around you. Like everybody, you know, everything is a resource. You have AI now to help you as a resource. So, my God, if I, if I owned any of the businesses I've owned in the past, now with today's technology, so much easier. But so we're lucky we have a good jumping off point. I think that's great, Kevin. I'm going to move on to the news, you guys, because we're at like the halfway point of any. But stick around, Kev, and take an interstitial sip, you guys. And we're going to move on to. Owen and Marcella have picked out some news for us and definitely drop your chat in there. We're trying to read. I'm reading locals mostly, so you guys definitely participate. Thanks, Kev.

E (24:42)

Thank you, Kevin. Yeah, well, I would say Marcela, go pick out some of the stories you were looking at from my feed and we can talk about them.

C (24:51)

So I picked out a few things from your feed, Owen, and Owen has a great feed. Go Check it out on X. Owen Gregorian, this is Marcella. I wanted to bring out a few stories, but I don't know which one you would like to talk about first.

E (25:11)

I. I think we typically start with something that's more in the science realm, either science or psychology or technology. And then, then we'll get into the politics.

A (25:19)

I have a favorite story, Marcella you can start with.

C (25:23)

Which one is it?

A (25:25)

It's the one about the penis size.

C (25:28)

Okay. Start with that one. Wasn't my.

A (25:31)

Thank you.

C (25:34)

So there was a. A story on sipos by Eric Dolan. A new research links Trump support masculine insecurity to valuing large penises. They act as if large penises are a bad thing. New research published by Psychology of Men and Masculinities find that men who feel insecure about their masculinity are more likely to place high value on having a large penis, viewing it as a symbol of status and dominance. The study author, Cindy Harmon Jones, a senior lecturer at Western Studio, Sydney Western Sydney University, explained the motivation. Men seem to have a lot more admiration for large penises than women do. Anecdotally, I observed the men who admire large penises seem angry and hostile. So, you know, put it in the chat. What do you think Scott would have said about this? I think there's, there's, there's. There's three words that you would have said, and if you can put it in the chat, We're waiting for it to. Well, Andy got it.

E (26:58)

Right.

C (27:01)

Just ask Scott. Right, right, right, right. He would have said, just ask God, the reef, the reframe of all this is that. That, as I see it, it's a feature. It's not something that should be a negative. The Trump is the large penis metaphor for national revival. Strong borders, strong economy, strong military. No apologies for that. So that's what he would have said. And I think that he would have seen it as a feature. I think most men would see it as a feature. Most women would see it as a feature. The fact that Cindy Harmon Jones, who I don't know, thinks it as hostile and also has to study it. Why would you have to study something that you could just ask everyone, not just Scott?

E (27:57)

So, yeah, I wonder how that grant proposal looked and what they were thinking when they approved that study. It definitely seems like, I mean, the phrase I remember that was big for a while was big dick energy. And I think that's probably part of at least the meme, part of this that has gone through our culture. It does seem hilarious to me that people who are not supporting Trump and are, you know, somehow not valuing large penises. I kind of wonder what that says about them. But, you know, I, I also understand that, like, men would obviously care a lot more about women about that than women because they're the ones that have the penis and they only have one size. And so it's natural to compare against other men and, you know, worry about that and then have those insecurities. So it would be kind of obvious to me that women wouldn't care as much about that. But, you know, I, I guess that's. It depends on the woman how much they care about that. But, you know, it's, it may be that I, I would wonder if they went as far as correlating the actual sizes of Trump supporters versus non Trump supporters, too.

A (29:16)

Well, like, somebody just wrote in the locals chat who funded the study. And then, like, imagine this woman being like, I'll do the story. You know, she's like, I got it, but I love it. And someone just wrote like, you know, today in backwards science, I mean, yeah, it's all the things.

E (29:35)

Yeah.

C (29:36)

Any comments? Surgery? George Oliver?

B (29:40)

Well, yeah, you had to get me into the big conversation here. I love it. I think that this is important because right now, Trump, right now, he's deploying his guns everywhere, right? He's deploying flotillas everywhere, armadas, and he's just taking control of the security, making sure that everything is safe. Just imagine a neighborhood, and he's the head guy of the neighborhood and making sure that everything is nice all around.

E (30:19)

I would just also add, there was a story that I posted, might have been a couple of years ago, and it was a study about firearm ownership and penis size. And it got the highest engagement of probably almost any story I've ever posted on X. And I think it might have been because, as you might guess, firearm owners have larger penises than non firearm owners, which I guess it is counterintuitive to what the researcher was probably hoping to find out because they were saying, oh, this kind of debunks the idea that people have firearms because they're, you know, worried about their small penises, but they actually have larger penises. So, yeah, it's, it's interesting when they, when the science turns their attention to this sort of thing.

B (31:02)

Well, Kevin and I, we had, we have guns. I don't know if the ladies have guns.

C (31:08)

I must have a big peanuts, because I have.

B (31:12)

Okay, let's move on.

F (31:13)

Let's just, let's just say eggplant parmesan is One of our favorite dishes here in our house.

C (31:19)

All right, all right. The other story that I saw, and a lot of us are going to be concerned, we people that have jobs, you know, people, the majority of us have jobs. Jonathan Ross, the founder of NCO of an AI chip company named Gro. Is that how you pronounce it? G, R, O, Q. Yeah, it is.

E (31:46)

But it's spelled different obviously than the grok.

C (31:48)

Yeah, yeah. And basically what he said in his interview is that AI won't destroy jobs, it'll create a massive labor shortage instead of the opposite. And he defined, he pointed out three things. Huge deflation, people working less and explosive creation of new jobs. That's key. I think that people, when they argue about AI changing the economy and changing factory work and even possibly getting rid of lawyers, which I doubt, or any kind of other white collar work, is that when we had the Internet explosion of the dot com era, there was more jobs created than they were. They were, they were different type of jobs, different type of things. But it does go to the point that there could be more explosive job creation. And what he does highlight, and I don't know what your thoughts are on this, everybody, but he says we're not going to have enough people, which I guess can go to Elon Musk and all the other points of population and depopulation. I was reading Wall Street Journal this morning and one of the stories was that China is shrinking in. Sorry, I'm going back to the first story. The China is lessening in population and there is a huge issue because there's a lot more older people than there are young, yet they have robots. And that's just one of the economies. We have the same issue here. So he might be right. I'm not sure if it's because of AI will lead to more jobs, which is why we will have not enough people, or is it just because of the population going down? So, thoughts?

E (34:06)

Well, I think.

F (34:08)

Go ahead, Owen.

E (34:09)

Sorry. I think there's, there's an argument to be made for what he's saying that I certainly think as AI and robots make things, you know, as they gain capabilities to do work, they will make things cheaper. At least I think so. I mean, there is some debate about how much it costs to do all this AI and robot stuff. But I think generally speaking, if you have a robot working 24 7, you can probably produce a lot more widgets for the same price as if you hired a person to do it. And so a lot of things will get cheaper. And so I Think that will be deflationary in terms of how, you know, a lot of things will cost less than they did in the past. I don't think that'll happen to everything. Like real estate would be the obvious exception where you can't make more real estate. So, you know, that may be even more scarce. But, but I think the, even that might be alleviated by it. You know, if we can get robots doing construction of homes, we might be able to build a lot more homes and make those cheaper. But I do find a little bit of inconsistency when he says people will work less, because that to me would imply there's less jobs or less work to be done by people. So I, I, I get a question mark in my head when I hear that. But I, I do think there's a possibility that he's right in the sense that when you make things cheaper to build or to produce or to deliver a service, that means more things are worth doing at a profit. Right? Like you can make money doing more things than you could in the past. Whenever you look at a startup, for example, you might say, okay, is this thing ever going to make a profit? Are people actually going to pay the price that they would need to pay for this to be profitable, to be sustainable as a business? And every business really has to look at that like, you know, are customers willing to pay the price for this product or service? And so the lower you can make that price and still be profitable, the more businesses you would say, yeah, that's a good one, that'll make money. And so I think there would be a natural trend that would say, businesses, you might have said, no, that's never going to work before. You might say, you know what? Now it would work. And so more things would potentially be possible in terms of starting new businesses and having additional products and services that wouldn't have been profitable before, but now that we can automate a lot of it, it is profitable. So I do think there's a lot of potential for that. And I really hope this is how things go. But I would point out that it would probably still shift the types of jobs that would be available. Because if I make all these assumptions about how things are going to go, a lot of types of jobs like manual labor and repetitive tasks and simpler things, even writing and some of the things AI can do, you're not going to need people to do those things anymore. And so you'll need people who know how to use AI and who know how to come up with the ideas and to guide the AI and to review the output of the AI and to just, you know, just have. Do all the things like the creative things, the humor things, all the things that machines can't do still. And I don't know if they ever will be able to do. So I think it'll shift jobs in that direction. And that means some people might be very busy because they have those skills. Other people might have a hard time finding a job because all they could do is manual labor. So I don't know if it's going to work for everybody, but it'll probably work for some people.

A (37:33)

Yeah. I mean, Greg Gutfeld just said the other day to Scott that he had I write the summary of his book or the first chapter of his book, and he's like, oh, my God, it was really good. So, yeah, I mean, I, I think you're right. It's going to. I think that's a way that all the creative minds could really have a job too, because AI is all about prompting, like Sergio was teaching us. And by the way, Sergio, you've created an army of memers. And you guys, they're so good. Everyone's doing so good. Okay, sorry. Back to your story.

E (38:09)

All right, well, Kevin, I think you wanted to jump in on this, too.

C (38:11)

Yeah.

F (38:12)

So I work in this domain very closely, and I think it's going to be profound, the change. It is going to be a disruption, but in many, many ways, we're going to be more productive. It's just like the same as it ever was. Talking heads, anybody, new tech. It's going to enable people to be more productive. Right?

A (38:35)

Yeah.

F (38:36)

Your job is going to change. Yeah. You might be able to do what took three or four or ten people to do. You might be able to do with one person. But I think it's, It's. I take the David Sacks sort of glass half full kind of position. It's. It's going to be a profound positive advancement. I do think, just like you should question, always question numbers or what you're reading, people need to cultivate this critical assessment of, oh, this AI has given me this answer. Is that true or not? So I think it's going to be important that in education, young folks are taught to think critically about the results that they're getting. I know personally, with cogeneration, you don't rely on a single tool. Right. You're gonna. You're actually relying on a couple of tools and you're weighing how these different tools, which. Which tool is yielding the best results. And when it comes to software, you know, a newbie software developer doesn't have sort of the experience to understand, hey, yeah, I got the, the basic functionality to work. But there's, you know, all the robustness, the reliability, perhaps security things that an experienced developer would be able to frame out, you know, in a, in working with AI. So I'm, I'm very bullish. I think it's going to be an age of immense productivity improvement.

E (40:14)

New types of jobs.

C (40:16)

It reminded me something that Erica said right now, reminded me of something Scott would have said and it was regarding art and music and how we would deal with, with it coming from AI, Would it be the same or would these people still have jobs? Because when you have an artist, you have a musician, you have a movie or something else, it's not the same. If it comes from a human, then it is, it comes from a artificial intelligence. And so I thought that maybe those were one of the few jobs that would stay around because, because there was, you know, Scott liked to play drums and he talked about drummers and how he realized that the best drummers didn't follow any of the rules. So they weren't perfect per se, but they were just created their own rules. That's not something that I, maybe AI will eventually do that, but it's, it's just.

E (41:25)

I think you're right, but I would even extend it beyond just artists. Like I do think that for music and art and other things, that people are still going to have those jobs and they're still going to, people are going to value human work in those fields more than AI or robot work.

F (41:39)

And I agree with that.

E (41:41)

I think a lot of other white collar jobs and other types of jobs will also, like, even, even manual labor jobs will, will still have a place for the artisans. They'll have a place for the real masters. I mean, I, you know, I went to Europe once and I looked through a museum of some of the furniture that was in this castle and I was just blown away by it because I saw these desks with all this inlaid stuff and all these complicated things in it. And I was like, I couldn't believe it. Like, I was like, that not only took many years to build just that one desk, but it took somebody probably 30 years to get good enough to be able to build a desk like that. Like that was someone's life work in that desk. And no machine can produce that. I'm sorry. I mean, you might be able to duplicate it if you really had some laser 3D thing to try and replicate it. But it probably still wouldn't be perfect and it wouldn't have that artistic flair of like, this is a unique desk with this unique artistic thing. And so I think the same is probably going to be true to some extent within all human interactions. Like you already had the experience of saying, oh, great, I'm talking to some computer right now on the phone, right? Like you hate it. You want to say, how do I get to a human? And I think that's probably going to be true with a lot of things. And people have already started complaining about, like, this email looks like it's AI generated, or this news article looks like it's AI generated. Like it's different and we can tell the difference. And I think both of them are going to coexist. You're not going to say we won't see any more AI anymore. But I do think people are going to value that humanness and that difference that humans put into things, because that's that creative piece of it, that intuitive piece of it where you connect with another person and people do value that. And I think it's still going to have a greater value than something that was produced by AI or something that was produced by a machine.

A (43:41)

I see both sides of that as the Libra again, because I think our prompting is going to have to get better because I feel like you could tell AI to carve that desk and to make it look just slightly imperfect. And also my, my huge gripe for the last 10 years, I've just been like on this tear that we're not making artistic things anymore. Like, everything's like a dying skill. Like, look at all of the. All right, I love Bill Pulte. Amazing. But he just built something right near me where Netflix is going. Netflix is moving to my town, you guys. Like, I live in a very tiny town. Netflix is moving here. And. But everything that's being built is so uncreative. And then I'm thinking, well, maybe I can make it creative. If nobody has the architectural wherewithal to make things pretty and interesting and that we'd want to see long lasting. Like you go by like an old house somewhere that's got like detail and we, you know, we're like, wow, that's so beautiful. But then we build all these like institutional looking buildings, buildings with no thought. I'm thinking AI could do it cheaper and put creativity into it and make some interesting things all around, including furniture, including whatever. But it's going to be about the prompting. So I feel like we need a Lot of, like QVC style hosts to prompt AI people that can talk about, you know, this water bottle ad nauseam and describe it for an hour to make the most amazing things.

B (45:23)

Yeah, can I say something about that?

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E (45:55)

Go ahead. Go ahead, Sergio.

B (45:56)

Oh, yeah, sorry, Owen. You know, I wanted to. Because when we talk about art and AI and people, I think that we are underestimating the power of diffusion of humans with AI. This weekend, what I saw it was people that had never drawn anything in their lives. They thought that they had no talent at all. And they were making amazing images that on their first time. And there were a bunch of people that were like, oh, I don't have time to try it. But a lot of people tried it and when you start. And they were so happy that finally they were able to express what they wanted to express. Right? And the same thing is going to happen with construction too, because it's monopolized by architects and designers and all this stuff. So if you have an idea they tell you to use F, off they go like, hey, you know, the expert, I want to tell you how to draw this. If everybody can start drawing their dream house and their dream ideas and start sharing with everybody. That's how Trump got Kim Jong Un to, you know, when he showed him a video of like, what it could be in North Korea. Right, Owen? I mean, I think I'm not wrong on that. I think he did that. And that's what this does. You know, all these people that creating all these memes and videos and movies, they are just spreading this spark of creativity on everybody.

E (47:36)

So, yeah, yeah, no, I think there's a lot of power in that. I've certainly seen it myself using AI, and I think it does get a lot messier in terms of how to look at it when you say it's a combination of a person using AI, because with the right person, with the right expertise, you can do some really powerful things with it. And you're still putting that human judgment and intuition. And, you know, like, Scott talks about how it can't, you know, it can't write a Dilbert cartoon, right? And I think that that's because of a couple of things. One is it. It can't know when something's funny the way a person can. So, you know, you could have it infinitely generate Dilber cartoons for forever, but it would never know which one was funny. But a person like Scott will almost instantly know if some idea is funny, right? And that's very different between that and I think you know, it. To me, it's. It's that there. There are certain things that are kind of uniquely human. To have intuition and to have that feeling and that embodiment of. I can just instantly know when I hear an idea, whether it's funny or not. And most people, maybe at least two thirds of us, according to Scott, have a sense of humor, and we can do that. But the other part of it is that whenever Scott sits down to write a Dilbert, it's got to be some joke that no one's ever told before, right? He can't just do the same Dilbert over and over again. AI could copy his Dilbert real easily. But if you ask it to say, go create a joke that no one's ever told before, I would defy you to try and get AI to do that. It won't be able to, because I gotta prompt it.

A (49:11)

You have to prompt.

B (49:12)

Another difference between AI and us is that AI doesn't have any friends to share memes to, okay? That's the difference. All the memes that I share and most of us, my bear too, he's amazing with those memes. Is same things that we. As soon as we see it, and that happens to all of you, think about it, right? As soon as you see a meme, you think of the person that you're going to send it to. You start imagining the smile on your husband, your wife, your friend. Oh, my God, I cannot wait until I send this to that person. And all the memes that I was posting on Locals, for example, it was because all you guys were my friends. I didn't have anybody else to send memes to. If I had a bunch of other friends, I will be sending them to them. But you guys were my circle of friends, right? My thread on my phone. I see a good meme and I share it right away. I don't even think about it. I don't like, oh, let me think. I'm gonna. No, I'm just gonna let it go. So AI doesn't have that, you know, like that. So we need to tell it. We need to become his friend so he knows he wants to please us.

F (50:16)

You know, I just want to interject one thing, sir. Sergio, as typical, had a gold nugget in there, and he said AI democratizes things for us. I've got a great example of this. A buddy of mine in an unnamed state lives on a lake in a subdivision and he teaches skeet shooting in his backyard. He's right on the lake. And apparently the homeowners association complained and sent him a cease and desist letter. And he took that letter and interacted with his favorite LLM and lo and behold, came back with multiple rulings. Remember, our law is based on precedent. And fired off a lovely email letter back to the homeowners. And that solved his problem. He didn't have to actually get a lawyer. I'm not saying LLMs should replace your lawyer and what have you, but, but my point is there are a lot of things where intuitively or maybe you've got a little bit of information, but boy, you're not trained in that domain. This just relaxes a lot of those barriers in a huge, huge way. I've personally used it for cooking and for my own health journey and goals and so forth. And it's just really, really a big, A big, big deal, I think.

A (51:50)

Oh, yeah, Immense. Do you guys want to switch topics? I. Oh, wait, you guys, let's do like a little assignment again today. You guys practice your AI memeing. Tag Sergio again. He loves it and we all see it. So why don't we try today to create something that we think is like a desirable home or building and keep adding and improving upon it with your AI. So, like, let it give you what you said. See how your prompts made it and then say, okay, like, I like that, but change this and do that and post your. Let's say homes. Let's say, like, it could be crazy fantasy home, like on another planet, if you want. But let's try to see what AI can come up with via our prompts to make a cool ass house that you might want to live in wherever you want. Okay, that's the challenge for today. Tag Sergio. Okay.

B (52:49)

And by the way, the ladies are winning here. I've seen all the names I've seen. There's a little bit of edge of women not caring about what anybody says. There's a lot of guys that are going like, you know, I'll do that later. But a lot of women are taking action. So guys, get rid of, get rid.

E (53:08)

Of that embarrassment and just do it. Yeah, So I, I can run through some headlines real quickly. I know we only have a few more minutes to the hour, but Talk about Don Lemon. I, I don't think I caught that one. So if you want to talk about Don Lemon, then go ahead.

C (53:22)

Okay. So real quick, I have to bring it to the front forefront. Don Lemon, he just wants attention. And I mean, I guess Scott would say that's one of the main things to be persuasive. And he got it yesterday. He. With protesters. Anti ICE protesters went into a Minnesota church in St. Paul, Minnesota, while they're worshiping. They didn't care that there was worship. They didn't care. It's not a public like place. And he actually made comments and, and interviewed the. And was trying to interview the. Believe the, the pastor there. But the, and, and going back to Serge's memes, he made a great meme of that. But the heinous. It was a heinous act because he was saying, oh, the Constitution allows us to protest wherever we, wherever we want. There's not a thing about there being some kind of indication that you can't protest here or there's no time to protest now because there's worship. And he's basically wrong legally. And that's why for me as an attorney, I was like, no, that's not true. And Megyn Kelly made a post under the United States consul Constitution through the Supreme Court decisions, there's a time, place and manner where you can protest. But on top of that, the US Constitution only applies in regards to protesting in public places.

E (55:06)

Yeah. And really just protesting government. Right. And they also have the separation of church and state, which really means the government needs to stay out of all the religious stuff.

C (55:15)

So the Assistant Attorney General, Harmeet Dillon and the Attorney General Pam Bondi are trying to do something about it. Under what? The law of the Face act, which punishes intentional acts to try to stop worship. It is extremely. It has become extremely. How would I say, Minnesota has become extremely unfair.

D (55:45)

Fire.

C (55:46)

It's all, it's all not organic and it's the winter of love, in a way. And they're just trying to keep it going. But I think it's going to backfire because Christian people aren't going to take very well. That's just my thing.

E (56:05)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think we're going to see more protests. We're going to see more interactions between them and ice, and I'm hoping it doesn't get violent. But we do see the stories coming up about it in terms of deploying National Guard. Trump apparently is getting about 1500 troops ready to go back into Minnesota. And, you know, so we may see more conflict there, but I think I'm hoping it'll stay peaceful and then it'll die down and we'll see less of this over time. But, you know, it's certainly still seems like it's blowing up there and then around the world. We have Iran blowing up, we have Ukraine still blowing up. We have maybe some progress in Gaza where they're putting out this peace board and starting phase two. And Trump just said that he wants a billion dollars from everybody that's going to be having a permanent seat on the Gaza Peace board. So he's monetizing it, which I thought was funny, but maybe that's meant to help rebuild Gaza and make it all work. So I'm sure it's not for him, it's just for the cause, but it does seem like he's using his creative mind to say, how can we fund this? And I'm hoping we don't have another military conflict in Iran. But I would have to say, based on the headlines, I'm seeing that it looks like it. We may. It looks like every, all the signs are pointing to maybe something happening soon there. So got a lot of things going on around the world, but I think we do have some good news here at home. There's a story about border crossings being at historic lows again, so that seems to be continuing. Housing payments apparently have dropped $260 a month under Trump. So housing is becoming more affordable. And so I think there's plenty of good news we can point to as well.

A (57:53)

So thank you for some good news.

B (57:55)

I wanted to ask Marcella on a legal. Is what law did Don Lemon break any law? Did he break a lot that we can, you know, jail him?

C (58:05)

I mean, to. I wanted. They, they are trying to investigate him and that's what was said. And they're going to look into charges. Under the Face act, he would fall, not just him, but the anti ice pro protesters would fall under that. Under the Face act. You would have any, anything that intentionally interrupts like a place like this of worship.

B (58:33)

And what is the Face Act?

C (58:35)

With an intention to. With an intention to. Of threat. And what I saw there, I mean, it was sickening the fact that there was children there. And he kept saying, saying, I mean, I guess he. This is what makes, this is what why we're talking about him today, right? So he got attention. It's just to me, there's, there's Ways, right. And he was saying about the children leaving, he's like, oh, they deserve it. Or they, they. They need this in order to wake up or something like that. And they. They need to see this. And it's. It wasn't. So, yeah, he's being investigated. I don't know if a grand jury will find charges. And then at the end of the day when. When this, this is questioned, as a lawyer, you're like, well, a jury would have to find him guilty. And so would. So would this anti ice protest. But they do need to look into who is paying for this, who is behind this. And these are the people that need to be in jail.

A (59:51)

And I think Scott would probably inject somewhere in here that Don Lemon might enjoy going to prison, if you know what I mean. Oh, my gosh, you guys, it's the top of the hour, and I like to just keep it, you know, under an hour. Like Scott like to try to do an hour. So I'm going to respect that and also Shelley and all of you guys. So we'll. We'll be back tomorrow. Owen, do you have closing thoughts for everybody?

E (60:25)

No, I just, I appreciate everyone coming here and participating in this. And if other people have reframes they want to share or, you know, other people that have been a big part of the community for a long time, you know, reach out to Erica or me or somebody, and we may be able to get some other voices on here as well, because it's all. This is all volunteer. You know, we're just doing this because we want to keep it going. And I know not everyone can do it every day, but if there is a day that you can do it, maybe you can step up and be part of this too. So I appreciate everyone's help and let's just keep it all going. Thanks, everyone.

A (60:57)

And even if you guys just want to come for the simultaneous sip and then you got a jet, but you want to have a sip with everybody, come have the sip and go on to your day. Like, again. We'll never be Scott, but we all have that in common. How much we love, respect, miss, and appreciate him and his wisdom, but, man, there's so much of it out there. So if you want to commune with, you know, Scott's friends and have a sip, please join us Monday through Friday right here. And Shelly, thank you so much for, for providing this stream to us every day, you. You make it possible. And Marcella, Sergio and Kev, thank you so much. Owen, love you guys so much. And we'll see you guys tomorrow and do your memes for Sergio of a dream house, okay?

E (61:49)

All right. Thanks, everyone.

B (61:51)

Thanks, everyone.

F (61:52)

Have a wonderful week.

A (61:54)

Gonna leave the stream it.