Joel Pollock (8:54)
So if you were looking to kind of reinforce your idea that Tony Hawk, the skateboarding pioneer, had hung out with Jeffrey Epstein, well, that was your proof. And you could find it all over the news wires because Mark Epstein had uploaded his photographs to Getty Images. But as Tony Hawk pointed out, it's not the same Mark Epstein. Scott used to call this code reuse. You know, you kind of use the same names over and over again, almost as a wink from the simulation that we're living in. A simulation. So one of the reasons these files have been protected for so long or kept under wraps is to protect people who might be completely innocent. And it's not the only case of mistaken identity. There was another famous one, which is not really worth going into right now. But there are some people who are guilty and who are having to deal with some very poor judgment decisions made with their association with Epstein. But there are some people who are not. Anyway, I just thought it was funny that these two members of Congress, who you would think would come out and blow the whole story wide open, came out and said, we can't tell you everything we saw. So, anyway, that's not even the biggest story about the Epstein files today. The biggest story is that one of the files has a 302 from the FBI. 302 is the form that they use for interviews of people who've come to them with information or interviews of potential witnesses or even targets. And there's a 302 from 2019, six years ago, which is, I believe, when Epstein was taken back into custody, where someone the FBI was interviewing said that they got a call from Donald Trump. He called the police. So this was a police officer. They received a call a decade and a half before, in 2006, Trump called the police as soon as he heard that Epstein was under investigation. And he said that Jeffrey Epstein was a bad guy, that he had been seen around younger women, that Trump had left as soon as he got wind of it, that he had kicked him out of the Mar A Lago club. And he said the FBI should focus on Epstein's assessment associate Maxwell, whom he described as evil. So this has gone super viral, this story, because it does seem to prove not only did Donald Trump not participate in Epstein's crimes, but he led the way in hoping to have Epstein investigated and telling the FBI and the police that Epstein needed to be investigated. So I had a couple of comments on that earlier today. My initial comment was probably like that of many of people watching this show, which was to say, well, that ends the Democrats interest in the Epstein. Because the whole point of turning this scandal from a scandal about the Clintons into a supposed scandal about Trump was to simply flip it on its head and project and say, oh, well, there must be something bad about Trump in there, because we know they were friends 20 years ago. So Trump might have been. I mean, I get this all the time in my responses from trolls on social media. Trump's a pedophile. Trump's been. You know, none of that is true. But they're trying to associate him with Jeffrey Epstein, and it's an association that is very rhetorically effective. As Scott would say, it's a good persuasion technique, even if there's no truth to it at all. And you can argue maybe the Trump Department of Justice mishandled it by saying they were releasing Epstein files when they called a bunch of conservative social media influencers and they said, come on over, we're going to give you the full files. And the influencers came and they held up big binders. And of course, the full files were still behind closed doors and locked filing cabinets. But anyway, I thought, okay, well, this kind of ends it. I mean, you won't hear much from the Democrats anymore about the Epstein files because now they exonerate Trump. Well, then I thought about it a little bit more. So I read our article in the Post. I think it was the California Post or the New York Post, one or the other. And it talked about the original source for this report. So news organizations often do this. We will write news stories based on a story that was first reported elsewhere. We report it in our own way and with our own platform. And they linked back to the original source for this story about what was in the Epstein files about Trump from the Miami Herald. So I went to the Miami Herald. The Miami Herald told the story, and they included all the same facts that Trump had called the police and they had heard that Epstein was a bad guy and so forth. But the main idea of the story was very different. The main idea of the story was that the fact that Trump called the police and said that he had known about Jeffrey Epstein and his proclivity for young teenage girls that proved, according to the Miami Herald, that Trump had lied to reporters in 2019 when he said that he didn't know about anything Jeffrey Epstein did. So reporters asked, were you aware of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes? And Trump said, no, I never heard about it. I don't know anything about it. You can imagine Trump knowing about it at one point and then forgetting about it or knowing about it but not wanting to tell reporters about it. But either way, we now have what Scott used to call two movies on one screen. So we have this fact. It's a document, basically. It's the FBI interview with Donald Trump, where Donald or with someone who talked to Donald Trump, and that person reports that Donald Trump had told them about Jeffrey Epstein and tried to get the police involved in 2006. So that's that nobody can dispute. By the way, there's also still no evidence of any wrongdoing involving Trump at all. In fact, this new piece of evidence suggests the opposite, that, if anything, Trump was trying to do the right thing. But it's two movies on one screen. For conservatives, it means that Trump is a hero of the Jeffrey Epstein story. And for liberals, it means that Trump lied about what he knew about Jeffrey Epstein. Therefore, you have to keep digging. So if you thought this was gonna be over, which I did for a brief moment, I think you're mistaken, because we have two movies on one screen. And again, the facts don't matter. What are the facts? The facts are that Donald Trump was never associated with anything bad about Epstein, that he kicked Epstein out of his club when Epstein was misbehaving. And now we know that he also reported Epstein to the police. Now, you can argue if you're on the left. Well, Trump only did that because maybe he was afraid of things that would come out about him or that he knew about what Epstein was doing and he didn't do anything about it earlier. Okay, but Scott's one of the only people who picked up a phone and called the police at a very early stage. So Trump.