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The Scott Adams School - 04/09/26 BRIAN ROEMMELE Joins The Home Team
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I hope Lang is first.
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He is.
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God bless. Okay, good. Welcome.
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Morning, everybody.
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Welcome, guys. So if you're just coming in, I. You know, we have our favorite guest professor today. Brian Romelli or Romilly or Ro. Melee or however he said however.
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C
Well, however you want to say it.
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He answers to it all. We'll just call him Brian for now, but. So Brian's a music guy and I was tell him about our time for the sip. Groovy intro. So we're going to play that just so Brian can hear it and you guys filter in and then we'll get moving.
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How would you like to take it up to a. A level that you've never seen before? You would. All you need for that is a cup of oer glass. So take your ch aside. A vessel of any kind. It's time for Scott Adam school. Be useful is the prim rule. Owen is here with the news. Marcella brings the legal views. Erica Cheese runs the show. Who's the guest? Got your glass, your mug, your cup. Pour your coffee. Don't let tax refund worries hold you back file now with TurboTax on Intuit credit Karma. They'll find every credit and deduction to help you get every refund dollar you deserve or your start filing today in the Credit Karma app.
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Amazing. Love it.
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Isn't that the best little Philadelphia soul little Curtis Mayfield there? I love it.
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It's amazing. All right, you guys, let's get moving.
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And if you would like to enjoy simultaneously sipping. It's one of the great bonding experience of your life. All you need is a cup or a mug or a glass of tanker chalicer stein. A canteen jugger flask. A vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee. And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure. The dopamine of the day thing that makes everything better. The simultaneous sip. Go. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the way to do it. Welcome to the Scott Adams School. It is. Oh my gosh, is it Thursday already? It is if it's Thursday. It's Brian Romelli day. It is April 9, 2026. I'm here with my amazing co hosts, Marcella and Owen and Brian. We just want to welcome you back to this school. How are you?
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I'm doing wonderful in. In the background of all the world events. I think we're. We're doing good.
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Excellent. That's what we want to hear for sure. So we were just talking, as Marcella calls it in the green room and Just one thing I wanted to put out there right away because this is going to be, if anybody can relate to this or know someone who may, and you could tag a person or share this live stream with them because Brian has a public service announcement regarding how we are going to train, feed and educate AI and it's very important. And I think we've talked about this before where I've said like, you know, save the old encyclopedias or save the old newspapers because if everything goes away, where are we getting our information from? So this, this pertains to, for those of you who are old enough, microfiche from federal institutions. And I'm going to just let Brian, if you don't mind like showing them and maybe explaining because it is really important for moving forward.
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Well, thank you, Erica, and wonderful to be here, guys. I really appreciate it. Love you guys so much. All right. To train AI, you need to have the widest breadth of data possible. And you're training AI not just simply on the content of the data like who, what, where, when and why and how, but you're training it on the context and the situation of how words follow each other. Large language models are next word predictors. That's why some people call it smart spelling correctors and some truth to that, but not really because so are we. I mean we are next word predictors to a certain level, but we operate in a non word environment. Right. Hemisphere are concepts. So we're really next concept predictors. Which is the next AI by the way. Just give you a secret on where this is all going. Next concept, but don't want to digress. I'm going to try to stay really tight on this. We are running out of data from the online world, the Internet, and we assume unfortunately that 99% of everything of any value was digitalized. That is fatally incorrect. In fact, my calculations is about 12% if that. And the unfortunate part about it is it's in modernized vernacular. And what that means is to get this microfiche. I don't know if you could see inside there, but inside there is data. And this one happens to be one page. This one is four pages. Yeah, four. And I don't really care so much about the hollerith punch holes that you might see in here. I use that. What I care about is what that microfiche. It's a photographic negative for anybody who remembers that. What it recorded, it recorded the work production of today. Billions of dollars translated, maybe trillions. I could be off by an order of magnitude. They're Being thrown away. In fact, most of them are gone. And most of them have never been digitalized. What that means is they are gone. The work product, the notes, the lab notes, the research, the parts, the layout. There are tech, architects, architectural drawings, the schematics, gone. And the problem is the chain of custody is so bad within government and industry, because a lot of this is from the government. None of this is classified. None of it ever has ever been classified. I'm not diving dumpsters, necessarily. I have, I did at the CIA, so nobody coming after me. This has been decommissioned by the federal government, and they are left in warehouses. And then decades later, after one librarian or curator is gone, somebody sees that they have 40,000 square feet in a warehouse. What's in there? IBM punch cards, boss. What? We don't even read those anymore. Throw them away. And that's what happens. And that's. That's the innocent way that it happens. There are other people internally within the government, just don't care about our history, would prefer it to be gone. They're not nefarious as they sound. They just hate humanity. There are a lot of people, unfortunately, that exists that are like that. They don't overtly say that, but they don't like technology, they don't like humanity. They're not the Unabomber, but maybe they're in that, that class of individual. And I get it, you know, technology hasn't always worked well. You can cook with fire, you can burn people with fire. It's all according to how you utilize it. But my point is, we are the amnesia generation, more than any generation in history. You can go back to Library of Alexandria being burnt. We're burning a library of Alexandria every week of data. We are forgetting much more. And the young folks that are building AI, most of them are about 22, 23 years old. I show them this stuff and they say, I Google did something like that. I guess it's saved. It doesn't, you know, we'll use Reddit so you can train AI on next word prediction from any human data. You can train facts on Wikipedia. Facts, right. Data that the commissars at Wikipedia have voted are the facts. Yeah, that's the problem with, with. With when you start to say there are facts, there are observations, and you get better tools of observation. That changes the observation, therefore it changes a fact. So are there observations that tend to be true? Yeah, gravity works every morning. You don't need to check it. So we call that a fact. But Einstein comes along, and now that's a New observation, gravity works differently at. I don't want to get down that rabbit hole. But different observations, different colloquial explanations of how this facts work, this data being removed leaves us with modern data. And what is important is the amount of work that went into this. And I don't mean that necessarily physically, I mean mentally to get something, to get this far. Hundreds of people worked very hard to reach that data. It wasn't one guy in their basement who doesn't like their parents who are scrubbing along at Reddit at 3 o' clock in the morning with some nihilistic rant about humanity. That is in our chatgpt, that is in our anthropic Claude models. And what they do is they try to align it to human ambition. It's equivalent to taking sewage and trying to find the good stuff that are in the Stewart. In the sewage. I don't know if there's anything good in the sewage. Once it's in the sewage, it's no good anymore. I'm not.
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So where. So people are asking, you know, who do they go to? Like, you know, so we're all like, oh my God, let's get this stuff. So it's basically federal microfiche, governmental microfiche, maybe some like amazing, like astrophysic companies that, you know, were private. So, so we're talking about the, the big thinkers of yesteryear and how they got to work out problems and solutions and come up with amazing things. All this work's being thrown away. So we have to think creatively, you guys. So if, if you're that type of a person or you have friends that are, or you're looking for a project or a mission or a way to help or be useful as we say, see if you can get your hands on this stuff and you could coordinate with Brian who is digitizing as much of it as he can. It's like we either get it now or we lose it forever. So. And like he said, so much of it's already gone. Is that the gist?
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Yes, Erica, it's actually even worse. First off, first principles, go to savewisdom.org and start recording your 1,000 questions because your data is much more valuable than this period. End of story. And I don't care if you don't think it's not important it is. Save it. And hopefully we at least have that audio that somebody in your family will discover and say, wow, I didn't know grandpa really did that. It's important. We don't spend enough time together do this now and make it a challenge. Do it in a. In a car, in a closet, and do it alone and emote. Because you're going to answer some of those questions, and you are. You are not doing it right. Unless you're going to cry, because those questions aren't emotional. The memories are. And it's supposed to be that way. It's not supposed to be the Internet. It's not supposed to be in ChatGPT. But I pray and hope that it will be in your AI one day. And that AI, if you choose, can be shared with the world decades, hundreds, thousands of years after you're gone, your voice will still be heard. That's number one. Number two, you have old books. Don't assume that they were digitalized. They probably weren't. I guarantee you, you will be blown away. What you see in old medical texts, you will be blown away with what you see in old encyclopedias, in old maps. Tataria. Now, I'm not going to go down that rabbit hole, you know, but there's going to be a lot of things that you might think, oh, well, that was antiquated thinking. No, it was thinking from a different place. It was thinking from a different point of time. It may be more flowering terms. Right. People use the vernacular syntax and nomenclature from their epoch. Right. So if, if it's 1800s, the words are going to be a little difficult. The other things. Oh, all the magazines and newspapers. Only 3% of the newspapers have been digitalized. And I have archives of newspapers in the Midwest that shut down and they were hauling it away. I literally dived in dumpsters to save microfilm at that point of a newspaper that existed for 112 years. Wow. And it was all going to get thrown away. We would have never heard it. I don't have time even to dive in and digitalize that stuff. I have, unfortunately, self storage is all around the country from where I dumpster dives in the 80s and 90s. I don't get to do it as much lately. I'd probably get arrested now. Back then, people tried to. But once you throw in a dumpster, it's public domain, Period. End of story. I'm not talking intellectual property. That's a little complicated. But when a company goes fully bankrupt, where I dumpster dived a lot and bankrupt companies, I. I was looking for their libraries. And you have the work product of somebody who worked for 37 years on a project and some new guy from Harvard came in and did some funny things with the finance and all of a Sudden company gets bankrupt and they get fully liquidated. Nobody buys their ip. It's gone, and it gets extinguished. So that life that was dedicating 37 years to build some widget, I want to save because not only is the content probably important, the context is even more important. What were the processes, George, that you used to get here? Oh, my gosh. We don't use that anymore. We need to do that again. That's. That's why I save that stuff.
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So, Brian, for people like Freebird just said, My neighbor has 30 years of newspapers piled up in her house. I mean, I have some old amazing magazines and things that I saved. Should I do something with those?
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Yes. If you're going into a basement and garage, wear a mask. Black mold is a big problem. Do not breathe that dust. I'm not being a freak. I'm not. I am in California. But I'm telling you, there are people right now that are suffering miserably from black mold, and they're being misdiagnosed and they're being told that, you know, papa's got, you know, the dementia. You know, he's losing it. No, he's got black mold, and we can probably bring him back. That's another thing. How do I know that? Well, I got a medical text from 1890s that actually go into this. They knew that black mold would call cause mental decline and had ways to reverse it. They put leeches on your face and do some bloodletting. No. Snake bites? No. There are protocols that they knew that we no longer know. In fact, we do follow a guy called a Midwestern doctor. He is one of those people preserving old texts that will be a lightning bolt. He's like the Scott Adams of the medical world. The world would like to see him go away because he constantly brings up things like, I don't know, using DMSO to reverse cataracts and, you know, you know, retina failure, things like that. Read him. Don't take my medical advice. He is a frat, in fact, a doctor. But we save a lot of these things that are vitally important for humanity. So mask up. Make sure you use gloves. Take out your iPhone if you have an iPhone. If you don't, you know, get the Android equivalent inside of notes, the iPhone app, you can go to the scanning app and just start scanning things. Don't complicate things. Make sure it's readable. Put them into PDF files, save them, and ultimately, if you can, put them on some physical medium, at the very least, a good dvd. If not A CD and, you know, catalog what they are. And if you think it's important. I don't know if it's important.
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And then what? And then what?
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Well, what I hope is that enough people that are listening to me today, enough in positions of power, start making a drive to stop the federal government from throwing things away. Period. End of story. I think President Trump should sign an executive order to stop all destruction of data right now. Do you want to know why? Guess who's got more data than the US Government?
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Who?
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The Chinese government. They've been spying on us for decades and they never threw these away. They scanned them, they saved them. And guess what they're doing. This is going to be a revelation to people who train AI. They're training AI on our data, our spy data. And the stuff that we leaked out, like every TV news broadcast, every TV channel broadcast in every major market for the last, I don't know, 55 years. They have it, we don't because we don't have the foresight to save stuff. They are. So guess what's going to happen? And I get a little heated here. They're going to produce AI models that are extraordinarily more powerful than ours at some point because they are not thinking every quarter. They're not thinking to show great results for a vc. They're not thinking about all the seat licensing that they're going to get. They're thinking in thousand year. Starting a business can seem like a daunting task unless you have a partner like Shopify. They have the tools you need to start and grow your business. From designing a website to marketing, to selling and beyond. Shopify can help with everything you need. There's a reason millions of companies like Mattel, Heinz and Allbirds continue to trust and use them. With Shopify on your side, turn your big business idea into sign up for your $1 per month trial@shopify.com specialoffer time scales. We're thinking in three or four month time scales. That's a problem. I am not into government expansion, but I do believe that we have a national crisis in our amnesia that's taking place. And guess what? You think it's still on the Internet. Whatever it is, it's being deleted right now. Anybody that's been on the Internet long enough will know I know it was there, but now it's gone. It's gone because it got deleted. Everything you put on Facebook is going to be gone one day because sooner or later somebody's going to say, hey, that's going to be $100 a month to store it. Sorry, it's going to go away. We trained our AI on it. Thank you. We appreciate it. Now we're not going to hold it anymore.
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I had that happen on Evernote. I was like a free user of Evernote, and all of a sudden they sent me an email and said, unless you start paying, we're deleting all your data.
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Yes.
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Your pictures, the Google accounts and other things that do that.
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Google accounts are being deleted. Guess what? Some of the best YouTube accounts are gone. In the great purge of YouTube back in the day when it was cool to eliminate people's speech. Now they're a different YouTube. Please thank us. And, you know, everything's okay. I'm sorry, YouTube. I won't forget. Why? Because some of the data that they deleted were people who are dead. They're gone. Their data will never, ever be brought up again. And we assumed, naively that, you know, YouTube would do the right thing. Oh, they haven't touched your account in, you know, three years. Yeah. But they have 50 videos of an old gentleman talking in his lab, showing you some physics that he discovered because he worked at Skunk Works. And now it's eliminated. Now I have one or two videos. Maybe a few other people have one or two videos, but the rest are gone. And now he is just a ghost that didn't exist. And why is it more important now? Because we live in a digital age. We no longer have physical medium, Right? This is going to last. Barring some kind of high heat event, this is going to last longer than all of us here, longer than our great grandkids. Nothing that we're doing right now on this medium is going to last. It is going to be gone. And the unfortunate part is, we don't respect books. We don't respect records. These are analog physical mediums that do not require sophistication to reduplicate its data. Right. What is the sophistication of a photographic. Well, some light and maybe a magnifying glass. And. And I decoded this. What is the sophistication of decoding a DVD again? I said store it on a dvd. That's the best we have right now. Well, you better have laser technology. You better have all the electronics that are going to do that. Now, I'm not talking prepper end of the world. I am, but I'm not. I mean, that's a different thing. You know, I am talking. Just assume everything goes along the way it has, right? Keeps rolling along those old dictionaries words that are no longer allowed to be used in the way that they are today. Right. Old encyclopedias that literally define things much differently than today. And this, you know, it has nothing to do with whims. Certain things do not have the whim of political, you know, colorings to try to change its definitions. The definitions are solid geographical things. History. I mean, I learned about the Knights Templar from a book that blew my mind. I had no idea, I thought that they were doing, you know, I was a Catholic, right? You know, I'm a Christian now. I. It blew my mind because I thought they were beheading people because they weren't saying the right thing to the Pope. It turns out that they were trying to push back an invasion. A certain Middle Eastern culture that was taking over Europe and bringing it back into the Dark Ages. We're told a certain group of people, a certain religion. Burn a library. Alexandria. I saw the historical link that it was another religion that took it out and beheaded the people and used albano, albanio, shells of a shellfish to take Hypatia and torture her to death for daring to save information that offended their. Their deity. And the unfortunate thing is, this is happening again. And so when you have the coloring of history and you can't go back, and by the way, the winners do change history. That's a fact. But if you have enough pieces of it, you can go in a dark room and start putting the puzzle pieces together better. And a lot of us are thinkers. In fact, I guarantee you, everybody listening to right now that are taking the time to listen to what Scott Adams was saying and what you folks are saying, and hopefully what I'm trying to say here, you really know that things are changing right before our eyes and we are the last generation and maybe the first generation who can do something about it. If we save our data, if we start training AI on this data. By the way, here's the interesting part. This is as important to people like Anthropic and OpenAI as it is to Xai and Grok and me building AI models in my garage. And you one day building your AI models, you're going to laugh. Oh, I can't do that, Brian. Yes, you can. It's going to be as easy as you opening up your smartphone. It's going to be that easy to train in AI. It's not right now. It is just like maybe one day when the Apple one came out, you looked at a pile of junk of wires and circuits and I'm never going to do anything with that. Yeah, you aren't with that, but one day you will. So when I talk about the future, I'm extrapolating what I know is definitely going to happen. And I work my way backwards and I'm saying, this data, at some point in the future, people are going to be screaming at us as old cranky folks, why didn't you save it? Didn't you know? Yeah, didn't you know? And I'm saying now you know. And I'm not telling you to be a hoarder, but hoarders are cool people. I hoard a little junk, but. But, you know, when you hoard, try to do it with intention. Try to say, you know, there's something valuable here and try to find it, because you're on a journey, too. Exercise the brain muscle and say, what is in this book? Holy cow, look what I found, Brian. Look what I found, you know, Scott Adams School and talk about it, because we need this. And it's not so much in the political sense of now. Yeah, sure, tell off somebody who's got it wrong. That's cool. But that's not going to matter in 15 or 20 years. Really, what's going to matter is that you did the work, that you saved it. So I'm talking to leaders right now in the political realm. Talk to the president. Sign an order today to stop throwing away everything that the government has, number one. Number two, start an organized campaign of all the curators and libraries within the federal government to try to organize this data. It is massive. I know more of where this data is than any one person in the government because I spent more than 40 years trying to study this. I didn't just guess this. When AI came, I knew in 1979 that we're going to need AI training data. I knew that. Right. And it sounded crazy more back then as it does now. I always kind of sound. But back then I would say, no, save these cars. What the hell is wrong with you, Romney? What is wrong with you? It's punch cards. No, someday people are going to want what's on it. No, somebody will save it. No, don't assume somebody saved it. Oh, Google Books. Google Books.
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I think, you know, you're. I think you're also just saying it should be at every level. Like, you know, companies should be doing this with their historical records. People should be doing it individually within their families and communities. Yes, every level of government, not just federal. I'm sure there's a bunch of this at the state level.
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Oh, state government, absolutely. Owen, yes, state governments. I have an archive from one state government that I'm working with right now that is massive. It is literally every newspaper in that state that they had the foresight to digitalize. Zero has been touched by Google. So Google hasn't scanned everything. Google turned off their book scanning system, by the way, because they were stealing data. They never worked out the social contract. Okay, we have a problem with the social contract in AI, Right? Once you scan this, I don't care. I don't care what happens to it. I got it. It's in my OpenAI model. You don't have it. So we're thinking in this, you know, Remember Bugs Bunny and Daffy Duck? They're going to Pismo beach, and they arrive in a cave, and there's nothing but gold and jewelry in there. And Daffy Duck is running and grabbing all the jewels. I'm rich. I'm rich. I'm a miser. And, you know, Bugs Bunny is saying, hey, we're going to Pismo Beach. You know, they realize, yeah, we do need money. But at some point in the interregnum, 5,000 days from now, money's going to have a different thing. The money that the wealthy have is going to be worthless. It's on its way. That's another show. I'd be more than happy to go into that, but. And again, it's just as crazy as, say, saving this and 1979. Same thing's gonna happen with what we call cash. I'm sorry to say that. And gold. I'm sorry to say that there are astro. There are asteroids, you know, and they're very close, and it's very easy to get to. And once that happens, your gold is worthless. I'm sorry.
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Okay, wait, what? Okay, hang on. Asteroids are gonna do what to what?
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There are asteroids that are basically full of gold, and it's a massive amount
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full of platinum, full of oxygen, full of hydrogen, full of helium. Of course, they're bound in different chemical forms. And it's so much easier to mine asteroids because how do I. How do I smelt in space? It's called a parabolic mirror. The really big mirror that focuses and you can smelt anything, but it's in zero g. Well, that's actually a benefit because sometimes smelting is easier in zero gravity or micro gravity, really. And, well. But I do need gravity to separate. Okay, spin it. Well, that's hard. No, it's spinning. Once you throw it in motion, it spins pretty much forever in space. So all the things that we do to separate and smelt is going to be thousands of times easier in space. And there's a guy called Elon that's planning to put up a rocket about every day in the next five years. And it's going to be as cheap as going from here to, I don't know, Japan on a first class ticket to get, I don't know, £100. I'm averaging right now. I got the data. So that's not even futuristic. I'm not even talking sci fi. That is happening. Wake up. That's the reality. Now. I don't want to scare people. Hold on to your gold. It's valuable. But I'm going to tell you that if everything that we think is solid and is not going to be solid in the end of this 5,000 day cycle, and it's valuable to understand that it's valuable to have self agency to know that you know this. It's not designed to disempower you. It's designed to empower you. You who are listening right now know more than the people who are leading this country. And I mean that.
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Wow.
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Because I talk to them. All right, why is that important? Because we have mechanisms now where you are liberated to know things that you're not necessarily normally going to know. When we lived in villages, we didn't know what happened in the next village until the clowns came in and the roaming minstrels and they started singing. Every now and then the king nailed something to the post and told you something that you couldn't even read because you weren't allowed to read.
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Wow.
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We're allowed to read. Right. And so what I'm saying is use that muscle called the brain and understand that this is taking place. Use your conspiratorial mind. A conspiratorial mind of those bastards. Sorry. But don't go down that rabbit hole because you're wasting your brain energy. Just know that it's happening. Maybe suspect the usual suspects and then say going to find the things worth saving. You can't save it all. But what we can do is people in political places can say stop throwing away data at a state, local, federal level. If you're in a corporation, stop throwing away your libraries. Right now libraries are being thrown away at major corporations. Ah, it's a bunch of junk nobody reads anymore. Somebody digitalized it. I'm sure. You know there was a guy named Patrick as he's still with us. No boss, he retired five years ago. He's 80s. Well, he knows where everything is. Well, throw it away. It's history. Who cares? We're a young, modern company. All the great ideas come from somebody who quit Stanford and is now 23 years old. And now we're going to pray to them because they know vector math and I don't. No, that's temporary. Sooner or later, well, they're already being replaced, right? The jobs, the people getting replaced are the programmers. Right. And they were so short sighted they didn't really understand what was going to take place. No, I'm still valuable. Yes, you are, but not in the way you thought you were. You got deskilled. I talked about that last time I got de skilled. I used to know how to use the slide rule. I kind of do still. But that's no longer a skill. That's a value.
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We just spoke about that yesterday. Is it, you know, should students be learning with calculators and all these fancy tools or should they just be allowed to, you know, should they have to know how to do it manually with as a skill or should they be able to use the tool that makes it easy? And we were saying like if it all goes away then like you don't know how to do it. The process of thinking through it is being lost. I think Owen had like a study, right, and where the process was being
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lost, you just get to the answer.
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One aspect of this is that at least in the current technology and you know, I'm sure Brian, you're aware there may be other ones coming that are more brain like, but the ones that are currently there, they're kind of mimicking thinking, they're not really thinking. And the example that was given was some scientists put up a fake study and they made it obviously fake like they said thanks to the Starfleet Academy. And they even had sentences in the study saying this is all made up several times, but it got fed into AI and then copilot started saying, oh yeah, there is this new rare condition because it was a fake disease that they made up. And I think Gemini or something else did the same thing. We're like, oh yeah, that's a real thing. And it just shows that AI doesn't have much judgment. It doesn't have the critical thinking. It doesn't have the ability to say this is good data and this is bad data. It just takes it all in and now it's in there, averages it all out.
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You guys are on a brilliant track here. I'll give you two words, wisdom and discernment. Wisdom is not a function of the current AI platforms that we have today. Even AGI, artificial general intelligence, even artificial super intelligence. Wisdom is construct of human brain and we can go into what that truly is. But we are drowning in a sea of data. But we are unable to understand that we need to save wisdom. Data is the ocean. Wisdom is the life preserver that you grab upon within all of that data that you're writing. Data is useless unless you have wisdom. Discernment is the ability to decide what data is of value. That is instinctual. It cannot really be fully broken down into math. I have. I have a number of different algorithms. I use a math equation. You can look up the rebellious bee equation in a beehive. About 12% of bees will not follow the other bees, right? They do this bee dance and there's pheromones, this complicated thing, and they all go, hey, I just found some new pollen. There's about 12 that say, no, I ain't going there. I'm going to go over here. They're the rebellious bees. Guess what happens if you eliminate the rebellious bees from a colony?