The Scott Adams School - 07/09/26 The Home Team & Jeff Callahan ruminate

Summary

Real Coffee with Scott Adams

Episode: The Scott Adams School - 07/09/26: The Home Team & Jeff Callahan Ruminate
Date: July 9, 2026
Host: Scott Adams
Guests: Jeff Callahan, Owen, Marcella

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Episode Theme & Purpose

This lively and opinionated roundtable brings together Scott Adams and co-hosts Owen, Marcella, and guest Jeff Callahan to analyze current events, cultural news, and political stories through the lens of persuasion, reframing, and practical philosophy. The conversation ranges from surveillance culture and criminal justice to media hypocrisy and self-empowerment, weaving in classic “Scott Adams School” frames and humor along the way.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Cold Open, Banter, and Dream Humor

• After a rapid-fire series of sponsor ads, the team’s signature lighthearted banter kicks off.
• Scott relays a surreal, recurring dream involving political commentator Michael Malice waxing his legs—a moment of shared laughter and self-deprecation.
  • "I shared with Jeff and with Owen that I had a dream last night that Michael Malice was waxing my legs." (01:01, Host)

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2. Simultaneous Sip: Rituals & Positivity

• Scott leads the “simultaneous sip”, a daily dopamine ritual meant to set a positive tone.
  • "Join Me. Now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine hit of the day.... It’s called the simultaneous sip, and it happens. Now go." (02:26, Scott Adams)
• Light teasing about the authenticity of Scott’s coffee mug adds to the camaraderie.

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3. News Clips, Comedy, and Media Satire

• The group selects humorous and viral video clips to dissect:
  • Biden Mashup Mockery: A chaotic Biden “torture” supercut is played, poking fun at public speaking gaffes and commonly mocked Biden-isms (04:32–05:44).
    • "Wait, I can’t stand when he would be like, I give you my word as a Biden. Like, what the hell do I care about your last name?" (05:26, Host)
  • Animal Clip: A feel-good segment featuring an orangutan exploring sunglasses, celebrated as a moment of innocence amid heavier topics (06:04–07:10).
    • "I love that. So cute." (07:12, Host)

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4. Surveillance Society & Vigilantism (~07:43–16:35)

• A lengthy discussion on the proliferation of Flock Safety cameras and growing anti-surveillance sentiments, especially after several "vigilante" takedowns in Houston.
• Key Concerns:
  • Privacy vs. Safety: Public discomfort with mass data collection, and whether mass surveillance is inevitable or necessary.
  • Vigilantism: Some communities respond to the feeling of being unheard by physically destroying surveillance cameras.
    • "If society decays enough where it’s a low trust society, then flock cameras will be seen as the solution...But the other side of it is that people just aren’t going to stand for mass surveillance." (10:28, Jeff Callahan)
  • Effectiveness: Marcella questions whether surveillance actually reduces crime, or simply increases citizen monitoring.
    • "Crime was lower when the police enforce the law...Does it really prevent crime or is it just a way to watch us?" (12:00, Marcella)
  • Systemic Issues: Owen notes automation is filling gaps caused by under-policing, but cautions against a “panopticon” dystopia.
    • "It just seems like you're in this Panopticon sort of place, police state, and it just seems like a dystopian future." (14:36, Owen)
• The group is skeptical about the effectiveness of surveillance and critical of systems that under-enforce actual law.

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5. Authoritarianism, El Salvador, and the Crime Debate (~17:44–26:00)

• The team pivots to El Salvador’s drastic anti-crime measures under President Nayib Bukele, who is lauded for reframing “imprisoning thousands” as “liberating millions.”
  • "I like to say that we actually liberated millions…you have to imprison some. You know, that’s the way it works, right?" (19:09, Bukele)
• Marcella (with El Salvadoran background) and others debate the tradeoff between safety and civil liberties, warning America not to wait until a crisis point.
  • "You don’t want crime to get to a point where a Bukele or even someone more authoritarian has to rise to power to correct the issue." (23:19, Jeff Callahan)
• The crucial role of DA and judge elections is emphasized, as “crime tolerance” is framed as part of a “war on human connection.”

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6. Media Hypocrisy & Political Violence: Charlie Kirk

• A clip of Katie Couric interviewing John Fetterman about the death of Charlie Kirk sparks outrage among the panel at the media’s implication that Kirk “asked for it” via controversial words.
  • "What words, Katie? What words? ... Charlie Kirk was one of the most polite and respectful people in every single one of those talks..." (31:55–32:55, Owen)
  • "It's the most vile thing when any journalist hack says something like, 'Well, a lot of people are saying.' No, own what you're saying." (38:42, Jeff Callahan)
• The group is united in condemning attempts to link speech to violence and calls out the double standards in media reactions to violence against conservatives.

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7. Micro Lesson from Scott Adams: Judgment and Potential (40:48–47:11)

• Scott delivers a quintessential “persuasion filter” lesson about self-image:
  • Most people judge themselves by what they’ve done so far, while others (like caring mentors or parents) judge by potential.
  • "Your value, too, is what you haven’t done yet. … That’s who you are. You’re the person who might do this great stuff later." (41:54, Scott Adams)
• The hosts discuss:
  • The freedom to reinvent oneself at any age.
  • The difficulty, but necessity, of having a “growth mindset.”
  • Encouragement to pursue new skills and challenges, regardless of previous setbacks or age.

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8. Democratic Party, Political Baggage, and Candidate Selection (49:14–61:47)

• The group dissects the Graham Platner scandal in Maine, where a flawed Democratic Senate candidate faces allegations of sexual misconduct and sports a controversial tattoo.
  • "He could be a hundred times more up than he is. He’d never be as up as what we got in Washington now." (49:49, Scott Adams)
• Themes:
  • Personal purity vs. political competence.
  • Hypocrisy in the different ways “baggage” is weaponized depending on party/candidate.
  • Candidate Swapping: The DNC’s willingness to replace problematic nominees without further input, drawing parallels to the Kamala Harris VP selection and widespread voter dissatisfaction.
    • "They select the candidate for the population... And they don't even say, we need a new primary." (55:02–55:23, Owen)
  • Speculation on motives: Does the party deliberately select easily blackmailable candidates? (57:06, Jeff Callahan)

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9. Motivational Close: “Payoff” Mindset (63:19–66:55)

• The panel ends with Scott’s recorded message set to music, on how “laziness” is a habit of focusing on the cost of actions instead of the payoff.
  • "What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff?...It's going to change some of your lives. Think about the positive, not about the work, and see what that does to you." (63:19–66:38, Scott Adams)
• The group affirms the message and circles back to the importance of learning, trying, and reframing action in terms of opportunity rather than effort.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Surveillance:
  "People aren't just going to stand for mass surveillance..." — Jeff Callahan (10:28)
• On Framing and Crime:
  "Instead of imprisoning thousands, I liberated this many thousands..." — Host, paraphrasing Bukele (20:01)
• On Media and Political Violence:
  "What words, Katie? What words? ... He was the most polite, respectful person." — Owen (31:55, about Charlie Kirk) "It's the most vile thing when any journalist hack says something like, 'Well, a lot of people are saying.' ... Own what you're saying." — Jeff Callahan (38:42)
• On Personal Growth:
  "Your value, too, is what you haven’t done yet. And that’s who you are. You’re the person who might do this great stuff later." — Scott Adams (41:54)
• On Party Politics:
  "Maybe the Democrats primarily select their candidates based on how blackmailable they might be." — Jeff Callahan (57:06)
• On Motivation:
  "Think about the positive, not about the work, and see what that does to you." — Scott Adams (66:38)

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Important Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------|------------| | Dream/Anecdotes & Simultaneous Sip | 01:00–03:10 | | Biden Satire Clip & Commentary | 04:03–05:51 | | Orangutan Clip | 06:04–07:12 | | Flock Cameras & Surveillance | 07:43–16:35 | | El Salvador/Bukele & Policing | 17:44–26:00 | | Katie Couric/Fetterman/Charlie Kirk | 28:34–39:25 | | Micro Lesson: Judging by Potential | 40:48–47:11 | | Graham Platner & Democrat Candidate Swapping | 49:14–61:47 | | Motivational “Payoff” Lesson/Close | 63:19–66:38 |

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Conclusion

This episode of Real Coffee with Scott Adams pulses with the energies of camaraderie and bracing critique. The roundtable covers current events (surveillance, criminal justice, political violence), scathingly lambasts mainstream media and establishment politicians, and delivers signature “Scott Adams School” lessons on reframing, motivation, and human potential. Listeners walk away with practical encouragement: judge yourself (and others) by what’s possible, not what’s past—and always focus on the payoff instead of the pain.

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For Tomorrow: Jesse Kelly joins the crew for more unscripted, high-energy discussion.

Transcript

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[Owen]

Good morning, Beverly. Good morning, Gregory. Hello, everyone filing in.

[Host]

Look, our pal Jeff is here.

[Jeff]

I'm here. I'm back. You couldn't keep me away.

[Host]

Never. We couldn't live without you. We needed you. Okay, let me get you going over here. Are we having fun yet, Mary Kay? I think we are. We were just backstage having fun. I shared with Jeff and with. Ooh. Almost lost my phone. With Jeff and with Owen that I had a dream last night that Michael Malice was waxing my legs.

[Owen]

Mm.

[Host]

And that's all I'm gonna say about that. It was. It was interesting, for sure. And he gave me a shoulder ride to take me somewhere else where there was a better wax pot. No one panic. Marcella's coming. Marcella's coming. Easy, Easy up. Here she comes. All right, guys, are you ready for. The sippity doo dah? I am ready. Okay, let's get Marcella in here, and then we're gonna sip, and we have quite a show. Let's add Marcella. There she is. Here she comes. Ta da. All right, now Rumble's like. Oh, my gosh. Yep. Rumble's upset because I'm doing things. It's not ready. Lemon minty. You like that story, Marcel? I had a dream that Michael Malice was waxing my legs last night. Oh, my. We're a little frozen because Rumbles thinking, that's excellent.

[Marcella]

I had the same dream.

[Host]

So did Owen and Jeff.

[Jeff]

I thought I was the only one.

[Host]

All right, guys. Okay. Yeah, no, we all did. Everybody was waxing my legs.

[Owen]

All right.

[Host]

It was amazing. Okay, Rumble has just decided it's ready, so we're ready.

[Jeff]

Let's get ready.

[Scott Adams]

What do you need to participate? What do you need? Well, all you need is a copper mug or a glass. You need a tankard, chalice or stein. You could use a canteen, jug or flask, vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like coffee. Join Me. Now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine hit of the day. The thing that makes everything better. It's called the simultaneous sip, and it happens. Now go.

[Jeff]

Love it.

[Owen]

I think there was actual coffee in the mug that time.

[Host]

Yeah, that time it wasn't a stunt mug. That was a real one. Excellent. I needed that sip. So. Good morning. It is July 9, 2026, here at the Scott Adams School, and our pal Jeff Callahan has returned to join us today. Owen and Marcella, of course, are with us. So happy to see us all together, you guys. So I have a bunch of clips today. And you know, when you're a host on this show, what you can expect from me is you have no clue what's going to happen. I just start firing clips off at them and they're like, oh, my God, what are we talking about? So that's kind of how today is going to be. But the first clip, I wanted to show you guys. All right, do you want an animal clip or do you just want a silly clip? Because I have both. Marcella, you pick.

[Marcella]

Silly.

[Host]

Okay. Glad you picked this. Okay. This is from Maze More. I don't know if you guys follow Maze More on X, but please follow his account if someone can drop his username in the chat. He has great content and I just want to give him credit, but he posted this. This is apparently a new torture method we've come up with. Using former President Biden to just torture people that we, we have captured. Here we go.

[Scott Adams]

I was a senior in high school and I wanted to get a job being turned out. The only turned out it was the only Caucasian lifeguard in the projects in the city of Wilmington. The big swimming pools. I remember about to get out of the car and I looked to my right and two well dressed men in suits kissed each other. Listen. I mean, they gave each other a kiss. We can talk. We've created 12 million new jobs. I give my words. Seriously, I've never broken my word. Remember what happened in Charlottesville? Please don't do this. When those folks came out of the fields at night with torches and swastikas, President Trump said there were very fine people on both sides. I had lost my son Beau. It was a tough, tough time,

[Jeff]

Man. Don't you, don't you just miss old Uncle Joe?

[Host]

Wait, I can't stand when he would be like, I give you my word as a Biden. Like, what the hell do I care about your last name? Like, okay. Whispering oh, yeah. And there were very fine people. He's such a whack. I don't need to.

[Marcella]

He needed to add the sniff fiend, like the sniffing of the hair sniffing to it.

[Host]

Oh my God. Oh my gosh. Yeah, as a biden, right, you guys. Like what? Oh, I give you my word as a biden. Like that doesn't mean anything to me anyway, so. That was amazing. And if you wanted the animal clip, you're getting it right now, so.

[Owen]

Haha.

[Host]

Here we go. I accidentally dropped my sunglasses in the

[Interviewer]

orangutan enclosure at a zoo in Indonesia. Yeah,

[Host]

She dropped her sunglasses in there. And he's like, oh, yeah, what do we have here? Oh no, don't eat it. Oh no.

[Marcella]

He knows how to open it. Oh, they're broken.

[Jeff]

Oh my God.

[Owen]

Hi.

[Guest]

Down.

[Host]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcella]

Try it up.

[Host]

Look at. Or her.

[Marcella]

It's a her, I think.

[Host]

Cuz that's her little baby, right?

[Marcella]

Yeah,

[Host]

look.

[Scott Adams]

She.

[Jeff]

Look it.

[Host]

I love it. They're so he's trying to figure out

[Marcella]

how to put it on, you know?

[Scott Adams]

Yeah.

[Host]

Oh, she got it. Look. You can have him back. That is so amazing to me. Like, he saw her drop them, he tried them on. Doesn't want them. Here, lady, take a look.

[Jeff]

A little trade for leaves there.

[Host]

I love that. So cute. So that. That. Thank you for indulging me. I had to do that clip too, you guys. All right, you guys. So I'm trying to. All right, here we go. Let me give you a flock update because some people were talking about the flock cameras now, and I'm seeing more news about them. And pay attention for the website. If you're a secret vigilante, there's a website they're going to mention. I'm not suggesting anything. I'm just saying pay attention. And then we'll be right back.

[Reporter]

Camera that once stood here is gone. All that's left is this pole across the street. Another one taken down as well. A criminal justice expert tells me this could be a sign of the growing public unease with this type of video surveillance in two different parts of Houston. The same scene. Surveillance cameras lying on the ground. Two near Memorial park, two more near Washington Avenue and Westcott. All part of Flock Safety's automated license plate reader network used by Houston police and other law enforcement agencies. Houston police confirming an investigation into this. While the motive is unknown, the technology itself has drawn criticism in the past from people concerned about the data they're collecting.

[Jeff]

What level of frustration have we encountered?

[Reporter]

Texas Southern University professor Howard Henderson, founding director of the center for Justice Research, says the backlash reflects broader concerns over Privacy and who ultimately has access to the information these cameras collect.

[Jeff]

For many in society, they're looking at what the negative unintended consequences may be if this information gets leaked or someone uses it and finds itself in the wrong hands.

[Reporter]

A crowd sourced map from dflock.org shows thousands of flock cameras across the greater Houston area. Because anyone can submit locations, ABC13 cannot independently verify the data shown, but we know that multiple law enforcement agencies use the cameras. Houston expanded its use of the technology through a multimillion dollar agreement with Flock in 2022. In that contract, HPD describes the camera as an investigative tool, writing that quote, all data from vehicles observed will be provided to HPD for further assessment in detecting vehicles wanted in suspicious or post event investigations for law enforcement purposes. Just months ago, Harris county commissioners voted to renew its contract through June 2027 at a cost of just under $869,000. The Harris county sheriff's office previously credited the cameras with helping recover stolen vehicles and locating two kidnapped children. But Henderson says there's growing public unease over surveillance technology and artificial intelligence.

[Owen]

Sensitivities are heightened and people are very concerned about someone watching them and what they're doing with that information.

[Reporter]

And he says when people feel they have no voice in those decisions, frustrations surface.

[Jeff]

And the community's just simply saying, since you won't listen to me, right, since you have given me no way to voice my concern, we'll just take it down and tear it up.

[Host]

Tear it up, tear it up. Okay, Jeff, I'm coming to you first. Have you heard about these flock cameras? And do you love vigilante justice like I do?

[Jeff]

Yeah. So I. I saw something. I think it was oil filled. Rando on. On X posted something to the effect of like, I'm. I'm paraphrasing, I'm paraphrasing here. But it was something like, I'm of two minds. I want no flock cameras in high trust areas. But. But in high prime areas, I want all the flock cameras. And I was like, okay, that's fair. You know, at the end of the day, like, people aren't. Aren't going to. Well, two thoughts. One is if society decays enough where it's a low trust society, then flock cameras will be seen as the solution. And so it's sad that it's to a point where this kind of thing is starting to pop up. But the other side of it is that people aren't just aren't going to stand for mass surveillance. Famously in Britain, where they had a. I Think it was a carbon. It was like a carbon security camera monitoring when cars would go in and out of certain neighborhoods to provide them with like a on demand carbon tax. A few years ago they had these, these guys known as blade runners that would go and cut down these cameras and there would be trunks full of these cameras that they would harvest at night. And it was just insane. Like, people were just cutting these things down left and right and you're going to see the exact same thing.

[Host]

Well, the cameras aren't picking up the vigilantes cars or who they are, so good job. Plot cameras. Marcella, go now. Marcella, I know the take you're going to have. All right, give it to me, sister.

[Marcella]

Tell me, talking about vigilantes, the. This is. Well, I mean, depends on how you view this subject, but I don't know what state, if it was the same Texas or whatever, but they were. The police was trying to figure out who the men were that were cutting. These came and people phoned in or wrote in or whatever it was, and wrote Batman and Robin or Superman and whatever, you know, just because they were with this vigilantes, you know. But I don't necessarily think that cameras prevent crime because crime was lower when the police enforce the law and when the government enforces the law. The law. So if you. I would like to look at the numbers and does it, does it really prevent crime or is it just a way to watch us? You know, because as you, as Jeff mentioned, I think he mentioned London or, or England. They have so many cameras, and I don't think things are better in London than they were in the past. So, so the, the, there's cameras in prisons and people are still getting, you know, killed or. Well, we know you can just watch it.

[Host]

That's all Epstein.

[Marcella]

But allegedly. So I don't know, like, do cameras actually do anything in regards to preventing crime? I guess the only thing is like, you think somebody's watching you and you would act less crime. But we're talking about criminals. Are they really going to be like, oh, someone's watching me.

[Host]

I know, yeah.

[Jeff]

Criminals are famous for thinking 10 steps ahead. Right?

[Host]

Yeah.

[Marcella]

And reasoning. So I, I think it, it can cause more damage than, than good. But it is legal because you're in the public space.

[Guest]

So.

[Marcella]

And, and I think in general, we all carry cameras now, so you have to be very cognizant of everything you say and everything that you do because it's going to get on the News or on YouTube or wherever.

[Scott Adams]

So.

[Host]

And you end up in the background of other people's videos too, which just sucks, you know, you can't, you can't do anything anymore without someone's filming you. You're like, get out of my face.

[Marcella]

Like you go to a concert. Oh my, I don't even go to concerts. It's like they have their, their, their camera everywhere, their phone. And you're like, but I paid to view this, not through your phone.

[Host]

Oh, right.

[Marcella]

So I'm not pro camera.

[Host]

No, me either. Owen, take us home on this one.

[Owen]

Well, I, I remember Scott saying that kind of mass surveillance is sort of inevitable at this point. If you haven't lost your privacy already, you're going to, and you should pretty much just accept it. I, I, I'm not for mass surveillance. I'd like to have more privacy. I wouldn't, I don't want these types of mass surveillance cameras everywhere because it just seems like you're, you know, in this Panopticon sort of place, police state, and it just seems like a dystopian future. But it just seems like the way things are going, you know, and I think some of it is just, you could even just call it automation, where it's like they don't have enough police to police the streets, so they're just gonna use these drones and cameras and all these other things. The ring cameras were caught up in a similar controversy where they were using that for tracking people. And I mean, you know, I watch TV shows like I was just watching Person of Interest, which is that sort of TV show too, where they just, somebody had wired all the, you know, NSA or whatever into watch every single camera in the world basically, and they were tracking everybody. And it turned into sort of a pre crime sort of Minority Report thing where they were predicting who was about to be killed or who's about to be involved with a crime or something. And it, it all does seem very dystopian. So I understand why there's vigilante justice or vigilante people going after it. I'm not for vigilantes. I don't, I don't think that's a good thing for society to have people just like going out and doing whatever they want outside the law. And I think if you are going to do that, you need to be ready to accept the consequences of it. Which means you might go to jail, you might go to prison, you have, you know, crimes you committed. But, you know, if I were voting for or against this in my neighborhood, I'd certainly be voting against it. I don't Flat cameras everywhere.

[Host]

No, I still have to get out and do my investigative journalism on what's going on in the towns near me. They're very low crime, thankfully, but I don't know what they're doing. What more.

[Marcella]

I don't know if I can add this, but somebody said is to find. Ted said to find perpetrators. I'm. I'm for finding perpetrators. But the thing is, the law, at least in California, if you go to prison or, I'm sorry, jail first, and then the judge eventually lets you go. So it's like the issue that we have in regards to crime is not finding the criminal. It's actually keeping them in prison, enforcing our laws like El Salvador has done. So it's good to have surveillance, but what is it good for?

[Owen]

And with all this facial recognition and AI stuff, though, we're at a very immature stage, and I think that's causing a lot of problems right now. Maybe it'll get to the point where it's all worked out, but right now you have people being accused of crimes they didn't commit based on these videos. There was a story I remember just seeing just recently where someone was. Was arrested, saying they, like, stole a package from some neighboring community, and they had some video of that person's car, but it turned out it wasn't that person's car. But the. The policeman was just convinced and wasn't willing to even hear the other side of the story. And they had to go all the way through the court process to get that person, you know, acquitted, I guess.

[Host]

Yeah, we mentioned that one the other day. And yeah, I was saying, like, the cop was so certain, he's like, I'm positive it was you. I have it. And she's like, it wasn't me. But Marcella, you said the magic word. I'm gonna. I have so many clips to get through. You said you mentioned El Salvador, so here we go. Listen, I. I think this was like about a week and a half ago, ish. When Bukele visited the White House. I just love this exchange. And I don't know if they have flock cameras in El Salvador, but they're doing a pretty good job handling this. But let's take a look at Bukele. I'm not playing him because he's hot. I just like this exchange. Yeah, I'm just saying, okay, let's look hot. I mean, I think so.

[Guest]

And we're very eager to help. We know that you have a crime problem, terrorism problem that you need help with, and we're a Small country, but if we can help. And we actually turned the murder capital of the world, that was the journalist college, right? Murder capital of the world, into the safest country in the western hemisphere. And you know, they, sometimes they say that we increase in thousands. I like to say that we actually liberated millions. So, you know, like, it's very good. Who gave him that line?

[Scott Adams]

Do you think I can use that?

[Guest]

And in fact, in fact, Mr. President, you have 350 million people to liberate. But to liberate 350 million people, you have to imprison some. You know, that's the way it works, right? You cannot just, you know, free the criminals and think crime is going to go down magically. You have to imprison them so you can liberate 350 million Americans that are asking for the end of crime and the end of terrorism. And it can be done. I mean, you're doing it already. And I'm sure that people have seen the change in the streets a long way to go because you're just initiating your second term. But it's clear that with the numbers at the border, even in Democrat run cities, they get a hope for, from, from, from the work you're doing. So I'm, I'm really happy to be here, honored and eager to help.

[Host]

I love that. So Bukele did a full on Scott Adams reframe. Right. So instead of imprisoning thousands, I liberated, you know, this many thousands. And that's such an amazing way to look at it. And I also feel like that's what people talk about when they say President Trump listens to everybody. He loves to hear ideas, he loves to take them in. And I feel like that was just like a true moment where he was like, forget the cameras, like what this guy's saying makes sense. I like it. I want it for our people. And he did such a great job in El Salvador. So Marcella, being our, our, our El Salvadorian chick, you take this one first. I mean, I, I love that. Reframe.

[Marcella]

I mean, I, it's true. Like if you are going to release criminals, they're going to cause more crime. Not all of us are criminal. So there are people that do these kind of crimes and you know who they are and you have to imprison them. You cannot have weakness when it comes to it. The, the thing I do disagree with for Bukele is there's a little bit of lack of due process in El Salvador, but I understand the severity of what El Salvador went through and what everybody had to live through because it was the murder capital of the world. There was not one day that you did not go out and you did not see a dead body or you heard gunshots or you had to figure, like, how am I going to avoid this person or avoid being killed or, you know, whatever. So it's, it's, I understand the severity and I don't want the US to get to that severe point where the crime is going to be as bad as El Salvador was and then we're going to find that we need to go Bukele. I think we need to go Bukele mid Bukele now before we get to the degree that El Salvador was.

[Host]

Right. Yeah, I think that's a good analysis. All right, Owen?

[Jeff]

Well, I mean, I agree.

[Owen]

I think to me the key difference beyond just the scale that we're dealing with is that we do have things like due process and individual rights and pretty strong constitution that prevents the type of strong executive action that Bukele was able to do in his own country, I think. And I, you know, I don't even know the laws there or whether he broke them. But, you know, I just see a challenge here and we're seeing it every day. I mean, we are trying to crack down on crime. Trump is trying to crack, to lock up the criminals. But you have sanctuary cities and you have people that are protesting ICE and you got these organized funded protests that are basically trying to tear down the country and release the criminals. And you've got people like George Soros hiring DA's that'll be lax on crime. And so our system has some inherent, you know, you call them weaknesses or you can call them protections, depending on your point of view. But it does make it a little harder to say, let's just lock up all the criminals and be done with it.

[Host]

And the judges are a problem too, by the way. So until everything gets in sync, we have a problem. Jeff, do you have a take on this?

[Jeff]

Yeah. So in the introduction of my book Confidence Maxing, I talk about the war on human connection. And there are several facets to this war. But one of the facets that I talk about is crime tolerance. And so crime tolerance is a huge problem. I come at it from the angle of I want communities and a larger society that feels perfectly safe going outside and mingling with people that they don't know. If you have criminals that are stabbing people in the neck, guess what? That's not going to happen. And you're right when you say, you know, there's A problem with the judges, and there's several issues upstream. But the thing I will say is, and I agree with Marcel completely, you do not want crime to get to a point where a Bukele or even someone more authoritarian has to rise to power to correct the issue. Because on a long enough timeline, the issue is going to be corrected. The only nuance is, should we do it now or should we wait until things are really, really bad? You don't want to wait until things are really, really bad. And so I'm just kind of selfish in this respect because I want my clients and my friends and neighbors and everyone I know to exist in a safe society. And that is not too much to ask. That's like table stakes of Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Guess what? People need to feel safe. And I think you actually can arrest your way out of crime. We know who's doing the crime. Let's get, get them locked up. And, and, and over time, we are going to need to turn some of these, these, these judges and DAs and, and the final thing I'll point out, speaking to George Soros, whenever there is a, like a prosecuting attorney or district attorney election in your area, do some research on the candidates. We just had ours. And I did a deep dive into both the candidates. What was the incumbent one was a challenger, obviously. And I always look at that stuff like a hawk to see, hey, is Soros funding any of this through, you know, this, this organization or that organization? We just had a Soros funded DA candidate lose in 2022. And so like in your local city, if you do see a Soros DA candidate volunteer for the other side. Because look, there's, there's just, it's going to be a real bad time for you if a source DA gets elected in your town.

[Host]

Oh, yeah. Yes. And I agree with what you're saying. Oh, I wanted to make a point and then I got sidetracked over here. That's okay. All right, so let's see, you know what happens. I think that we should. We, you know, we deserve to live feeling safe. It would just be the, the best of everything. Oh, I know what I was gonna say that, you know, Scott used to always say, test small, test small. Try something, you know, and see how it goes. I mean, Giuliani cleaning up New York City and it was bad. And when I tell you, I know I've been going to New York my whole life. When I would go there before Giuliani, it was so. It was sketchy for decades during Giuliani I felt like I was at Disney World. It was like, so clean. You felt so safe. There was no BS around and. And then I just watched it quickly. It did start with Bloomberg. It started going down. Bloomberg and de Blasio put it into warp speed because we had our own little commie dictator mayor. And then it went to Adams, who was completely useless. And now we have radical Islamists just destroying every last bit of it. So it. It can happen. And I don't know who could step up and do it again like Giuliani did, but, man, let's hope. Yeah, the girly shows disappear. They sure did, just looking at the chat. All right, so let me move on. I wanted to show this clip of Katie Couric talking to John Fetterman. Federman's like the. You know, the poor man's Joe Manchin. So anyway, I. She just. I can't. Like, this is. I mean, just to know. Do you guys have the same thing I have, like, where you think back to, like, we used to love watching the Today show, like, before all the cable stuff came around, and you're like, oh, Katie Couric's so smart, and Oprah, like, wants to be everyone's best friend. And then you find out, like, who these people really are. And it's like, so disgusting. It's just like, I don't know, it's like finding out your parents were serial killers. That's how I look at it. And if your parents are serial killers, I'm so sorry if I insulted you, but that's how I feel looking at Oprah and everybody now. I can't stand it. So listen to her. And this is pertaining to Charlie Kirk, which the pre trial is going on right now, but let's just take a listen. I want to just vomit. Here we go.

[Interviewer]

Do you think that flag should have been flown at half staff? Do you think his body should have been flown on Air Force Two? Do you think he should have posthumously be given the Presidential Medal of Freedom? I think some people felt that that was perhaps over the top in terms of mourning someone like Charlie Kirk. How did you feel about that?

[Interjector]

I'd say that that was his choice and his prerogative, and that's where that was really entirely up to him.

[Interviewer]

Did you have any issues now, in hindsight over some of the things that Charlie Kirk said and some of the rhetoric he used during his life?

[Interjector]

I didn't agree with much of it. I didn't closely followed his specific kinds of views, but. But I did.

[Interviewer]

I'm sure. You learned about them after his death, though.

[Interjector]

No, I haven't done a deep dive on it. You know, I described. I mean, we've all seen that terrible video. Perhaps if you've seen the actual video. I have. And it's, like, appalling. And that's part of the political violence. And from what I'm saying, it's like, that's unacceptable. And engaging in a debate and views I strongly disagree on, that's part of the American democracy. And for me, it's. That would never justify what's happened. And I just chose not to take the opportunity to argue his views after. After children left his father in the most violent public way. I mean, so that's. I would say the equivalent. The equivalent on the left might be, say, Mr. Piker. I strongly disagree with his views, but I would. I'm appalled if something like that happened to him. Oh, my God. I mean, that's, you know, like, we have to. We have to disagree in better ways where, you know, you're gonna solve it by shooting people. And that's why the kinds of rhetoric. We have to turn the temperature down. Extreme rhetoric makes it easier for extreme reactions or to justify them.

[Interviewer]

I think some people might say Charlie Kirk's rhetoric was extreme. You know, I think that's the conversation that happened. People condemned political violence, but they also felt a great deal of discomfort with his language suggesting that these kinds of words lead to violence. I don't know. I'm just kind of sharing my observations as I saw the conversations unfold.

[Interjector]

Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think we agree that we probably didn't agree with much of what he said, but. And I think we. I'm sure we both agree that you shouldn't shoot people, you know, and you shouldn't execute them in public. And that's. I think that's two things must be true, that free speech. I'm an absolute free speech guy, and you have the right to say these things. And you definitely also have the right not to get shot by sharing your views.

[Host]

Owen, I'm just going to come right to you because, you know, I'm going to start cursing if I say anything else.

[Owen]

I feel like cursing, too. What. What words, Katie? What words? I know because Charlie Kirk was one of the most polite and respectful people in every single one of those talks he. He gave on college campus. He gave everybody a voice. He let them talk. He did not insult them. He did not say anything that was, like, offensive and inflammatory. He would make his argument and he would stick to his point.

[Scott Adams]

Of view.

[Owen]

And I'm sure a lot of people were offended by that just because they're offended by anybody who disagrees with them. But Charlie Kirk is like the worst possible person you could pick to say, oh, he was super inflammatory, offensive, because he was the opposite of that. He was, he was the most polite, respectful person. He would just have a conversation with people. And, and that was his whole idea was, let's just have real conversations. And, you know, I, to some extent, I, I don't know that I model myself after Charlie, but I, I try to do the same thing. Like in my after party, it's like people will disagree with me sometimes and I'll just try and have a respectful conversation with them.

[Host]

Yeah, there's no reason not to.

[Owen]

You don't do name calling. You don't do inflammatory things. You don't try to provoke them. And I don't think Charlie ever did that. And for Katie to say, oh, it was his fault is kind of the message she's trying to say without any evidence. She didn't have any quotes or anything. And usually whenever anybody uses a quote, it's highly out of context. It's like one of those RuPaur sort of things. So it's complete BS. And the only thing I would say I appreciate about Katie is that she wears the glasses that labels her for who she is. She has the liberal glasses that let you know that she should be avoided.

[Host]

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[Owen]

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[Host]

that's right. All right, I'm going to come to you, Marcella. Oh, my God. We were, we are behind the scenes. Like we can see each other below while the thing's going on. I'm like flipping the bird double birds. We're like, ah, all right, so take it away.

[Marcella]

I mean, you could see her crazy eyes. She's hiding the Crazy eyes behind those glasses. I just want to know how brainwashed you have to be to have those lines from her, because she truly does believe it. And I've talked to people like her and they come with these lines and they cannot code anything unless it's out of context regarding Charlie. And it's just hilarious and horrendous at the same time that they're trying to put this out there. And what does she mean by. Oh, he used this extreme word. So does that. I want her to finish the thought. Okay. Does she mean if you have extreme beliefs and you word them, then you deserve to be assassinated? Because that's what she doesn't go. She kind of leaves it like, you know, on its own. I want to know if you're going to stand for that. Tell me that maybe we can get

[Host]

her on the show on the school.

[Marcella]

Oh, I want to get her in person. But talk to her. No, because I really think that if you talk to the Springwash people, walk them through like Charlie did, I think eventually they'll have to reach a conclusion that they want people to think differently than them killed. Or that that's wrong. One or the other.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Owen]

You know, uncomfortable because they realized that he was smarter than them and. And they couldn't out debate him. Sorry.

[Host]

Logical. Just logical.

[Marcella]

True.

[Host]

So. Yeah. Oh, I know. Marcel. I. Listen, I'm with you. I couldn't even speak after that. Jeff, go ahead.

[Jeff]

Yeah, So a few. A few thoughts. I'll go farther. I think Charlie Kirk's body should have laid in state at the Capitol like

[Host]

he was our future president.

[Jeff]

He. Yeah, they were lining him up to be president potentially after. After Vance. Right. So. And part of the reason I say that is so that the. The Tyler Robinsons of the world who think that they'll change things with one bullet, know that not only will history forget them or scorn them, that the ideas that they try to silence will gain. Gain strength by a thousandfold. And not only will you not silence people, you won't silence people like Charlie. Their ideas will sweep the nation and you will amplify. And that's all that you would ever do. And so, yeah, like my, like my moderate solution is that we need propaganda detox camps. You know, for now I'm. Now we do notice. I'm not saying concentration. I'm saying a nice semi voluntary propaganda detox camp where RFK is like, he issues people like jeans to work out in every day. And Charlie Kirk is playing constantly in the full context. And for people like Katie Couric, and people that listen to her, someone in the chat brought up. And I agree with this wholeheartedly. It's obvious that Katie Couric did not watch the video of Charlie Kirk getting shot because it is impossible to watch that video. I've only seen it once, I think. And like, it was nausea inducing. Right. Like, and I didn't even follow Charlie all that closely when he was alive, but when I started thinking of Charlie's kids, like, I, I was absolutely distraught.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And we cannot live in a society where people primarily on the left, make no mistake, it's almost always on the left. Go out hunting, as Scott would say, for Republicans. It is inappropriate and it cannot be tolerated. And so, yeah, like, oh, it's just, it's, it's just one of the most vile things when any, any journalist hack says something like, well, a lot of people are saying. Or many people would say, no, own what you're saying. You're saying. I think, don't couch it in many.

[Host]

Like, yeah, right.

[Jeff]

Certain people might, Might think, no, what do you think? And just how these people don't own what they're. What they're saying.

[Host]

And she's like, should he have been flown on Air Force Two? And Air Force One the up jerk off. Sorry. But I, I can't stand that. Because if it was. She's a weasel, A horrible human being.

[Owen]

Put her in his comic. She would be a weasel.

[Host]

Yeah, she would be. She's. She's horrible, she's disgusting. And they all sicken me. All right, So I, I just sometimes I feel like if I had to see it, you guys have to see it, right? Like, we're family. Like, you have to feel my pain. Thank you so much. But yeah, no, you can't hate these people. Oh, I'm sweating. I'm literally sweating from that.

[Marcella]

I would have to add that Federman did a great job because he kept himself composed and he was able to answer her questions and lead her.

[Host]

He's great.

[Marcella]

His. You know, cuz I, I if. Because I could tell that he was like, what is she asking? Like, she really asking me these kind of questions.

[Host]

He was able to lead him right. To say the thing I want you to say he did.

[Marcella]

Really.

[Owen]

The strange thing about Fetterman, though, is like, he sounds like a Republican when he talks. He sounds very common sense, but he always votes Democrat. And it's like, what's going on there? I mean, you know, and there seems to be some disconnect where it's like, you know, you say these things that sound reasonable? Like, I want to like you, or I want to agree with you, but then you turn around and vote the other way.

[Host]

Yep, I know. Well, that's the thing. I feel like he. He's kind of hanging on as, like, a traditional moderate Democrat. And it's like, John, they're gone. They're all gone. Like, they're Republicans now. They're. They're. Come on over. So he's like a holdout, and he'll catch up. All right, I wanted to play a micro lesson from Scott. Okay, this is like a nice little intermezzo. So, you guys, it's a quick micro lesson, so grab your coffee and let's just hear the voice of our angel and just. Let's learn something just for a couple of minutes.

[Scott Adams]

Here's a micro lesson on knowing who you are. Some time ago, my young teenage stepdaughter asked me why I seemed to have a higher opinion of her than she had of herself. And I had to think about it for a while, and then I realized that she judged herself by who she was at the moment and what she had done up to then. So she was looking at from the point of her birth up to the current, and she decided, well, I'm not sure that's so great. What have I done? But I realized later that I don't look at her that way. I look at her habits she does, systems over goals. I look at her character, and what I see is this future that she has not achieved yet. So I actually was judging her by her potential. She was judging her by what she's done so far. And her frame was not nearly as good as mine. Because my frame that you can do great things as long as you work at it and develop the right talents and have the right kind of personality for it, you're pretty great, maybe in a variety of ways. You just haven't done it yet. And I've lived my entire life in this frame. I've never considered myself what I've done so far. I only think of myself, including now at my age, by what I'll do in the future. That's my value. Your value, too, is what you haven't done yet. And that's who you are. You're the person who might do this great stuff later.

[Host]

Yeah, you are. Yeah, we are. I'm looking forward to it, too. I have plans, I think. I mean, do we need to say anything about that? Does everyone get it?

[Marcella]

To know about these plans?

[Host]

I know.

[Jeff]

One thing I do like about that quite a bit is Simply that it's easy to feel kind of locked into what you've done up until this point. Right. I'm gonna turn the big four zero in a couple months. And, you know, I think I've. I've done pretty well. But then it kind of makes you think of, like, well, there is other stuff that I. That I could do. Just because I've done something for so long doesn't mean I'm completely locked into it. And it kind of frees you up where you feel like, hey, I can explore new things. Because Scott sort of really famously had. Had a bunch of different things going on.

[Host]

Yeah.

[Jeff]

And that's one of the things I really appreciated about him because he kind of wasn't precious with, like. Like, he. He sort of had this mindset of, I'm going to try a bunch of things and see what happens to get some traction. And I think that's just the right. The exact right way to go through life is just constantly be trying these small tests and just see what happens. And I love that.

[Host]

I love that. And I can tell you, as someone who was 41 time, so much has changed and happened in my life from 40 till now that, Jeff, you're going to be amazed what you're going to experience, do try, become, learn your talent stack. It's going to. It's going to grow exponentially from here, from where you are now to where I am. It's amazing. Owen.

[Owen]

When I was 40, I hadn't met Scott and, or, you know, discovered Scott and hadn't lifted weights before. That was maybe a couple years after that that I started lifting weights. And so, yeah, you can reinvent yourself. But I. What I was going to say about that is the frame that you talked about. It's like, I think it is a common frame for parents to use with their kids. And that's kind of the relationship that Scott was talking about, is that when you look at your kids, you do look at their potential. You look at what their future looks like. You're trying to set them up for a good future. So you kind of fall into that frame. But I think it's a lot harder to do that with yourself. But I think the differentiator there is, do you have that growth mindset or do you have the fixed mindset? And there are so many people that have that fixed mindset, and even kids have the same thing. I can't tell you how many times I was trying to get my kids to understand that, like, hey, you can get better at something if you Try something and you're not good at it right away, don't quit. Like, just work at it and you'll see that you'll get better and after a while you'll find out that you're pretty good at it and then you'll feel good about it and you want to keep going. But it's really hard to get that through a kid's head. Like both my boys were like, well, I'm not good at that, so I'm just not going to do it. And I was like that as a kid too. I mean, I played baseball in Little League and I was terrible at it. And I just quit because I'm just, I don't like this. I'm not good at it. I don't, you know, I'm not going to do this. And my brother did the opposite and he played all the way up to college and he was a catcher, you know, on his college team. And, and one of my sons did that too with baseball. He played all the way up to college. But it was that sort of thing where like, I think he got lucky maybe that he was relatively good at it, relatively young. And so once he got like selected for the, you know, the top tier team, then he was like, oh, well, now I'm, you know, I'm, this is my thing, I'm really good at this. But I think he still thought he was just naturally good at it. And I think that's where a lot of people fall down, is you don't, you don't start out good at something. You got to start out being bad at something and being able to put in the time and the reps and get to the point where you can see yourself getting better. Yeah, and having that growth mindset is so important and I think you probably should apply the frame to everybody else too. That's maybe even harder because I think we naturally judge people by their actions in the past as opposed to their potential. But you know, I think you can, and you should try and do the same thing and say if you recognize someone's potential, then you can look at them in a very different way than just what they've done up to that point.

[Host]

And you guys don't be scared to try something new. Don't be embarrassed, don't be scared, don't be afraid, don't have self doubt, don't talk down to yourself about it. Literally just do it. And I always just use the example, like if they, you know, all the different businesses I've owned and things I've Done. And I was like, I don't want to outsource everything. Let me just try to do it. And as soon as you start. Start. I hate using the word try, but as soon as you start trying, you're doing. So if I'm trying to build a website now, I'm doing it, I'm in it, and then all of a sudden I know how to do a website. So don't be afraid of that stuff. And there is a YouTube tutorial for everything in this world that you can imagine. So if you're like, well, I don't know how to do this or I don't know how to do that, just go to YouTube and put it in and someone has made a video for you to watch, and then just get out there and do it. Marcel, anything to wrap this up?

[Marcella]

No, he's right. You have to look at people for their potential. Like Owen said, you have to look at other people, which is harder for their potential. There's a lot of people with potential here in California, and I have to look at the future of what they may become after I speak to them. You know, that's what keeps me going here. Um, but it's. It's really hard. Sometimes you have bad days and you think, oh, I haven't accomplished what I want. And it's still, you know, you have to put yourself in that reframe of growth and it's going to come. And there. There's so much more to do. And I admired Scott for many reasons, but one of the reasons is that he seemed to have that, even at his. Even at the end, you know, so as you grow older, you still have that. You know that there should be other things that you can dab into and, yeah, hobbies you can do.

[Host]

If you never read any of Scott's books, I always recommend how to Fail at Everything. That book is a little bit of like a autobiography from Scott. Scott, because he. You learn a lot about his life, but you learn a lot about the things that he set off to do. And maybe he failed, but there it is. You can get that on Amazon. I suggest it. And if you want to gift it to somebody, I think anyone, like In College is a great book for college students. And also if you're like, maybe, do I want to change my job or do I want to add something to my talent stack, just read that book. I do it on audiobook. I love that one. That's the one you read First Chunks. That's a great book. And also, you'll really get to know a lot more about Scott with that book. Okay, so we have just about 12 minutes left. I do want to play this. So you guys are in the know with the news. Another clip. Let's take a listen and then we'll talk on the other side.

[Owen]

The obsession with personal purity. We're not hiring a priest. We're.

[Host]

Wait a minute. Language warning. Language warning. So if there's little kids or you're got virgin ears, just warning. Okay, here we go.

[Owen]

The obsession with personal purity. We're not hiring a priest. We're hiring a senator. We're going to talk about tattoos and sexting.

[Jeff]

He gets a hall pass.

[Host]

I don't give a. If somebody had a toxic relationship. Toxic relationships and tattoos and all of this talk about Susan Collins.

[Scott Adams]

He could be a hundred times more up than he is. He'd never be as up as what we got in Washington now.

[Owen]

Anyway.

[Scott Adams]

What I'm more outraged about. It's stupid Susan Collins. I asked all of you to consider the candidacy of Graham Platner. I asked all of you to understand his flaws.

[Owen]

Are you rescinding your support for Graham

[Jeff]

Platner after the lewd post that leaked? What's the polling in Maine right now?

[Reporter]

I don't get bothered by it as much.

[Host]

None of it.

[Reporter]

He's someone who had a drinking problem as a Marine.

[Scott Adams]

Platner has owned up to mistakes he

[Owen]

made as a younger guy.

[Scott Adams]

Do I want to make the best

[Jeff]

the enemy of the good?

[Scott Adams]

Graham Platner is popular even though he is fought. He is a flawed man, just like

[Host]

I'm a flawed man.

[Scott Adams]

And this is the key. Everybody is flawed at some level.

[Reporter]

No one's perfect.

[Jeff]

All politicians have baggage.

[Interviewer]

This just happens to be a candidate that has baggage.

[Reporter]

He's got.

[Owen]

He's got an anti Semitic tattoo.

[Host]

I feel like this president is saying, I hate black people.

[Jeff]

I like Graham Platinum.

[Guest]

You might.

[Marcella]

That's my kind of man.

[Jeff]

I would vote for Platner.

[Host]

Let's get some power. Let's take over the Senate. Let's take over the House.

[Owen]

Somebody that has put his life on the line for this country against somebody that is literally empowering the moral hollowing out of our nation.

[Scott Adams]

He had had two tours of duty in Iraq. He came back broken in a dark place. He took accountability. He acknowledges that he was misogynistic was toxicity and there was verbal intimidation, which I condemn. It happened in a dark period of his life. He's taken accountability. He started an oyster farm. He was on the ocean for years. He found himself. Look, let's Give him some grace. He went into combat on behalf of the United States.

[Owen]

He went through a really rough period, PTSD type period.

[Jeff]

Graham clearly made a mistake, and I've been on CNN saying that. What I appreciated about him is he owned that mistake. You know what is disqual qualifying is having a senator in Maine who just does Donald Trump's bidding.

[Owen]

This is a guy who has served

[Scott Adams]

this country who has gone through some really tough things.

[Owen]

If this is going to be a character election in Maine, there is a

[Scott Adams]

question of character in continuing to support

[Owen]

a president that is terrorizing immigrants. I'm going to do everything I can

[Scott Adams]

to make sure that Graham Platner is the next senator from the state of Maine.

[Owen]

You know, all those Bible clutching Christians

[Reporter]

voted for, for the guy who we

[Host]

all heard boast about sexual assault.

[Reporter]

Democrats have to take over the Senate. They have to take over the House.

[Jeff]

If I lived in Maine, I would

[Reporter]

hold my nose and I would tip

[Jeff]

that lever and I would vote for him.

[Owen]

Maybe we should be focusing on the important issues facing working people throughout this

[Scott Adams]

country, not focusing on his marriage.

[Owen]

It doesn't matter because he's right about what's wrong.

[Scott Adams]

Sometimes you make alliances that you would not have made under a different set of circumstances. Franklin Roosevelt was in Churchill.

[Jeff]

Who did they work with?

[Scott Adams]

Well, Joseph Stalin. His imperfections are imperfections that we can all identify with.

[Jeff]

I'm not going to sit here and judge Mainers who want to push away, push against the status quo. It's not my place to judge. If Graham Platner can earn their trust, then he earns their trust.

[Scott Adams]

He thinks he's a changed person, a transformed person. I believe him.

[Jeff]

Graham Platner is no Nazi. I don't think that he's a racist. His relationship with his wife is his relationship with his wife.

[Scott Adams]

It's all about, you know, leaked, consensual, you know, stuff.

[Interviewer]

The accusations against Graham Platner are not

[Host]

classic MeToo accusations, not like classic abuse allegations. Of course, in the Access Hollywood tape, President Trump bragged about grabbing women against their will. Gender related accusations get bundled together, but they're actually very different.

[Owen]

The obsession with personal.

[Host]

Okay, so, okay, wait, so it's not classic. Me too. It's a different kind of R A, P E. And I have to say, allegedly. Okay, so. And wait, I love the one guy goes like, do we need Susan Collins doing the bidding of Donald Trump? Oh, yeah, that happens all the time. Susan Collins is like, trump, let's go. Whatever you want, I'm voting for you. Sure. And you guys that clip is just your roadmap of who hates you, how much they lie to you, how much they don't give a about you. Ro Khanna is a snake. He's going to run for president. He will conform to anything the Democrats want to hear to get in and watch out for him. You hear it from me first. And Kara Swisher, I just wanted to give her a shout out. I can't see stand her. That's all I wanted to say. I just wanted to give, like, personal critique on things like that. That's it. And I do want to say that Graham Platner dropped out, guys. He dropped out of the race. So bye, Graham.

[Owen]

This is like a microcosm of what's everything that's wrong with the Democrat Party. I mean, the fact that they put up a candidate like that and then tried to defend him is one part of it, but the other part is how they're handling it right now with them dropping out. They're doing it again. They're doing it again where they select the candidate for the population. They let. They had a primary. They, they chose Graham Platner through whatever means. They did that. And, and, and now they're just saying, oops, sorry, we're just going to swap in somebody, and this is your candidate now. This is going to be your new senator.

[Host]

Yes.

[Owen]

And, like, they don't even say, we need a new primary. We need a new. You know, and.

[Reporter]

Right.

[Owen]

It just baffles me how the Democrats just sit there and take it.

[Host]

That was the Kamala play. That's what they did with Kamala. Yeah.

[Owen]

It's like they, they don't seem to even complain that their candidates are being selected for them by the Democrat Party like they are right now.

[Host]

Yep.

[Owen]

Again.

[Host]

Oh, my gosh. All right, Marcella, were you flipping out? Like, these people are so cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs and how they're just like, oh, so he has a Nazi tattoo. So he had a drinking problem. So he may have been inappropriate with some 18 years.

[Marcella]

He had this tattoo. My, my issue with the entire thing is it's his politics. It's what he stood for and what he thinks that they should have been appalled by the me too cases. I, you know, I respect these women that came out and had these allegations, but to me, they're allegations. You're, you're, you're innocent of proven guilty. And it, they seem to be very, these allegations came out at a very opportune time because the Democratic Party only had until June. It's allergic reaction. July 27 to. To get a new candidate in. And so the. These. Ali. I'm not. I'm not suggesting anything, maybe, but it just seems odd. Odd timing for these two. I believe there's been two accusations, two accusers. Right now just seems kind of. It's another, like Owen said, another Kamala pick.

[Host]

Yeah. The Democrats are just little sheep. They can't think for themselves. They're like, okay, just who should we vote for? We have no control anyway. And it's just the weakest, most criminal, pathetic group of people I've ever seen. Violent and. I'm sorry, I'm a little spicy today. Okay. Jeff, were you freaking out like, me?

[Jeff]

Yeah. So my hunch is that one of two things is true, and I don't know which one is. They ran Platner because they're like, yeah, he's a. He's a train wreck. We're going to be able to get him out of there, no sweat. When the time comes, that could be true. You know, the Owen school thought, and it's hard to disagree with that. The other. The other thought that occurred to me is that maybe the Democrats primarily select their candidates based on how blackmailable they might be, and so they would probably prefer them to have blackmail material out of the box rather than have to fabricate any blackmail on someone who is morally upstanding. It's going to be a lot harder to manufacture some. Some blackmail on someone who lives a clean life. Instead, get someone who kind of lives a dirty life and be like, all right, man, this is great. There is so much we could use to control this person. Oh, it got out. Oh, no. Well, we're gonna have to swap someone out real quick. And so maybe both those things are true. I don't know. But this guy seems like sort of a dirtbag.

[Host]

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah. Nikki, Same. That's my thought exactly, was, you know, they refer to Trump's leaked audio tape on the Entertainment Tonight bus or whatever. That was Access Hollywood, you know, saying something like, oh, you know, you could pretty much do whatever you want. This guy literally alleged. Literally, allegedly, in my opinion, potentially raped women. You know, and then some people are like, oh, well, they shouldn't be able to come out later and say this. And say, like, the Democrats are actually saying this. And it's like, oh, okay, remember the Kavanaugh hearings? Like, do we have to go through all of this? And by the way, you know, maybe the last woman that came out was like, oh, good. Other people are coming out, like, they're letting you know, people know who he really is. And when it wasn't working, maybe she was like, wait a minute, like, now I have to get involved because this is what he did to me. You don't know what someone's thinking. And maybe she didn't want to come out at all.

[Owen]

But she did say, I think in one of her interviews that she, you know, didn't come forward before because she agreed with his politics.

[Host]

Oh, wow. Okay.

[Owen]

And my suspicion, and this is just speculation, maybe a conspiracy theory, is that maybe the Democrats realized that this story was going to come out and they decided, let's get in front of this while we can still replace him with a different candidate. Because if they waited too long, then Graham Platner stays on the ballot and there's no replacing him. So I think it could be that the Democrats decided, hey, you know, let's have this person come forward and, you know, convince her that it's better for the party and it's better for politics to just do this now rather than later.

[Host]

So let me also say I'm going to, but I'm going to bundle. Bundle, I don't know, mess this up. Okay, so here he didn't drop out. He suspended his campaign. So he's still on the ballot. But also in 2024, there was some law made where if this type of thing happens and it's 10 weeks before an election or something, the governor can then say, okay, we're going to have a new election and anyone who wants to run can jump in. But now the problem is that this 10 weeks would end up right when, like, the primary is. So they're saying, well, don't do that, because then the primary is happening. So, yes, Owen, it looks like, in my opinion, they're going to install the person they want to install. So. Because they've never, they never figured this closeness into the thing, the thing that

[Marcella]

I'm wondering and I researched, that the Democratic Party is going to choose their next person. But isn't it? Isn't it if he suspended his campaign, but if he leaves his campaign and drops out, wouldn't it be the next person? Because there was a primary already and the general election is who he's going to go against. Susan Collins. But you would think that whoever came in second in that primary would be the person that would be chosen to go against Susan Collins.

[Host]

Can you check that out for us later, Marcella?

[Marcella]

So I.

[Owen]

Did you think that would make sense? But I think it's just not the way the Democrat Party rules.

[Marcella]

Yeah, so. So I did check it out. And the Democratic Party, as Owen is. Is talking about, they don't. They are. By July 27th, they're allowed to pick someone new. The party itself.

[Host]

Okay.

[Marcella]

And there is a process that they pick that person through. And I can talk about tomorrow, but, you know, as exciting as that is. But yeah, it's very, very nuanced. Very, very interesting.

[Host]

All right, so maybe, you know, tomorrow we have Jesse Kelly coming on. He is a hoot, you guys. And whatever subjects, you know, I. We left it open. You know, we said we could talk about whatever. Just go with the flow. Let him, you know, riff and talk to us. I do appreciate his takes on most things, so. So we'll be back tomorrow. And you guys, thank you for being here today. Jeff, we're so happy to see you again. We are happy. Yeah, we could have you back today. All right, you guys, so let's do it. Let's start our goodbyes. Let's say thank you to Scott and Shelly for allowing this show to continue. You guys, don't forget about learning a tree, learning a skill, building your talent stack, and everything Scott taught us in the micro lesson today. And teach all these things to your kids, too. Okay? All right, so let's have a closing sip to Scott. I'll stay and do an Akira song. And if you guys have to jet, just jet out. I appreciate all of you, Jeff, Owen, and Marcella and everybody here. All right, guys, a closing sip to Scott. To Scott.

[Jeff]

To Scott.

[Owen]

To Scott.

[Host]

Bye, guys. Okay, let's see. Let's see.

[Owen]

Have the exit cat as well.

[Host]

Oh, hi, little baby kitty. All right, let's do the Payoff. The payoff today.

[Marcella]

Say hi.

[Host]

I heard that little voice.

[Marcella]

She's named after Leo. Leo Messi. Lionel Messi.

[Host]

Sorry, there's a soccer player.

[Owen]

Yeah.

[Host]

All right, here we go with the payoff, y'.

[Jeff]

All.

[Host]

From Akira the Dawn.

[Scott Adams]

What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff? The payoff. I'm gonna say it again. The payoff. Get a few more heads to explode. What if you could reverse laziness by simply developing a habit of thinking more about, let's say, the delicious food that you like to enjoy instead of how long it would take years to get up and go get it after it. But the real question is, if you were to test this out and try to see if you could think more about the good outcome and less about the work, would you get it done? What if laziness Is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff. The pale. I'm gonna say it again. A few more ads to explode. Why is it that people have a second child? You know, why does a woman who goes through this awful, awful childbirth have a second child? Don't they always say the same thing? If I remembered how bad this was, I. I wouldn't do it again. Right. So the not thinking about the effort is vital to actually the survival of humanity. If we focused on how hard it was to have a baby, you just wouldn't do it. You do too little of it. But if you focus on how awesome it would be to have a family, well, there you go. You can go through the pain because you've already. You've already committed. You're going to go through the pain because you've already. You've already committed. What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff? The payoff. Here, say it again. The pay. Payoff. Get a few more answers. Am I ambitious or do I simply have a thinking habit which produces dopamine? Because I'm thinking about the positive outcome and is the dopamine the thing that gets me up and moving? And when you're observing me, you say, how the hell do you get so much done? And how do I do it? I think it's just this. I think it's just that when I think of all the things, things I do, I think about them in terms of their benefits. What if laziness is a habit of thinking about the cost of things or the effort instead of thinking about the payoff? I'm going to say it again.

[Guest]

If you were happy.

[Scott Adams]

So here's your tip. It's going to change some of your lives. Think about the positive, not about the work, and see what that does to you.

[Host]

Love it. Marcella, what's your cat's name?

[Marcella]

Leo.

[Host]

Leo.

[Marcella]

So. Oh, my gosh.

[Host]

She knows.

[Marcella]

You told her? So, in my defense, I originally thought she was a boy, so I named her after the.

[Host]

The soccer player after Lionel Messi.

[Marcella]

I found out that she's a girl.

[Host]

Who knew. I mean, listen, it's 20, 26. All right, you guys, thank you so, so much. So we'll be back tomorrow with Jesse Kelly. Thank you, Jeff. Thanks, you guys. Say your goodbyes. I don't want to cut anyone off. And we will see you then. Bye, guys. Love you guys so much. Thanks, you guys.