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Real Estate Investing School Podcast

Episode 192: REAL DEAL: Why Clarity is Key in Real Estate Investing

Date: September 12, 2024
Guest: Lance Brown
Host: Real Estate Investing School

Episode Overview

This episode features Lance Brown, a first-time out-of-state real estate investor who recently closed on a multifamily property in Ohio. The discussion centers on the crucial role of clarity—having a precise “buy box” or investment criteria—when working with agents, running numbers, and taking action in real estate. Lance shares the step-by-step process of his acquisition, offers honest insights about overcoming fears, and explains how having clear criteria and accountability expedited his success. The conversation is filled with actionable advice for both new and aspiring investors.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Finding and Securing the Deal

• Agent Outreach and Buy Box
  • Lance used BiggerPockets’ “Find Your Agent” tool, contacting 5–10 agents, ultimately narrowing down to a couple based on compatibility.
  • Clear Criteria Shared with Agents (“Buy Box”):
    • Multifamily (Duplex),
    • Class C / C+ area,
    • Specific cash flow target,
    • Value-add potential (under-rented, possibility for expansion),
    • Minimum square footage and bedroom count.
  • “You got to be crystal clear with what you’re wanting to do.” — Lance (01:42)
• Filtering Deals
  • Lance emphasized the need to instruct agents to only send relevant deals, cutting out “junk.”
  • The process took about five months, with several missed opportunities due to hesitation or slow analysis.

2. Overcoming Fear and Taking Action

• First Deal Nerves
  • Lance candidly admits hesitance and fear delayed his first purchase.
  • “They got snagged up before I ran numbers or I was scared, honestly. This is my first deal...” — Lance (03:41)
  • Accountability and coaching from the Real Estate Investing School and coach Emily helped him finally pull the trigger.

3. Deal Breakdown: Numbers and Strategy

• Acquisition Details
  • Off-market “pocket listing” provided by Lance’s agent (04:22)
  • Purchase Price: $98,000
  • Appraised Value: ~$110,000–$130,000 (post-fix-up)
  • “We came in with about 12,000 equity... if we fix it up, it should be worth 130, if not more.” — Lance (04:53)
• Purchase Method
  • Lance used a HELOC (Home Equity Line of Credit) and bought with cash for speed (08:06)
  • He plans to do a cash-out refinance after the seasoning period to recoup his investment with no money left in the deal.
• Tenant Situation
  • Duplex fully occupied, but under-rented:
    • Current rent: $1,350/month
    • Market rent: ~$1,600/month
    • Staged rent increases planned after lease expirations, with at least six months and a year on the existing leases (07:28)
  • “It is what it is. Luckily that was the higher paying [tenant] anyway.” — Lance

4. Room for Growth & Value Add

• The property has:
  • Unfinished basement (potential for conversion, though costly due to Midwest moisture)
  • Attic with room to possibly add bedrooms
  • Strategy is to assess profit potential before investing in upgrades.

5. Exit Strategies & Options

• Lance loves deals with built-in flexibility:
  • Existing cash flow “as is”
  • Option to add value (attic/basement)
  • Potential to pivot from long-term rentals to mid-term or other strategies as the market evolves

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Clarity and Working With Agents:

  • “You want tangible stuff that they can put into a filter… If you can give them something they can run a filter on, then they can get really specific with it.” — Host (02:19)
  • “I had to have a come to Jesus moment with them and said, hey, like, I don't want to see your junk. Like, let's filter it down.” — Lance (03:02)

• The Power of Experience:

  • “You knew what a good deal was just by looking at it... makes it easier to act fast when you do have, like, an opportunity like a pocket listing come up.” — Host (06:10)

• On Investing as a Newbie:

  • “I didn't think it was a home run by any means... [my coach said] Just pull the trigger. Make it happen. It's a good deal. You'll get your money back. Even if it's cash flow, break even at this point, that's a good thing.” — Lance (11:31)
  • “Put the money wherever you’re going to learn the most... you’re not trying to get fish here, you’re trying to learn how to fish.” — Host (12:30)
  • “You can sit on the sideline for six months or a year and have no assets, or you could buy something that’s a base hit. And now ... you gain the experience, which, that's the key thing.” — Host (12:01)

• On Taking Action:

  • “Take action every day. Like, I've been trying to get deals for the last six years... Unless you're doing the daily tasks... building up that network and then running your deals every day.” — Lance (13:51, 14:18)
  • “Perfect adherence to an imperfect goal is more effective than imperfect adherence to a perfect goal.” — Host (15:27)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:39] — How Lance Sourced the Deal (“Find Your Agent” & buy box)
• [03:01] — Getting Clear with Agents (“Come to Jesus moment”)
• [03:39] — First Deal Fears and Accountability
• [04:22] — Deal Structure & Numbers (pocket listing, equity, purchase price)
• [07:21] — Property Strategy: Rent Increases & Expansion Potential
• [08:05] — Using a HELOC & Cash-out Refinance Plan
• [09:21] — Learning Curve: Sight-Unseen Purchase Challenges
• [11:31] — Coach Support and Decision-Making for First-Timers
• [13:51/14:07] — Advice: Daily Action & Overcoming Analysis Paralysis
• [15:27] — Clarity vs. Perfection in Goal Setting

Actionable Takeaways

• Define your buy box:
  Be as specific as possible when instructing agents. Vague requests yield vague results.

• Accountability matters:
  Coaching or structured programs provide encouragement and push you to act decisively.

• Learn by doing:
  Even “base hit” deals (not home runs) are valuable for building experience and momentum.

• Daily habits win:
  Consistent action (analyzing deals, networking, making offers) trumps waiting for the “perfect” scenario.

• Options add value:
  Prioritize properties with multiple exit strategies or value-add potential for flexibility.

Final Words

“Just do something every day to get a little bit closer to each goal.” — Lance (16:01)

This episode is a grounded look at real estate investing fundamentals: clarity, focus, and action. It’s especially valuable for those getting started, demonstrating that specificity and steady effort, rather than luck or a perfect deal, are the key factors in building long-term investing success.