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There are bumps in the road on every investing journey, but what if you could dodge the most common ones and fast track your success?
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Today we're unpacking the seven golden rules rookie investors must know. Like correctly estimating rehab costs and tracking key contract deadlines. That could mean the difference between just scraping by and building real life changing wealth.
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We're going to help you learn and implement these rules early so that your next deal stays on budget, cash flows and puts more money in your pocket. This is the Real Estate Rookie podcast and I'm Ashley Kerr.
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And I'm Tony J. Robinson. And with that, let's get into golden rule number one, which is always model the full payment. And this is about analyzing deals. I think what we see with a lot of rookie investors is that when they think about their payment, they think about their principal and their interest payment. But as we all know, that's just one part of what we typically pay on a monthly basis. Because we also have property taxes, we also have insurance costs and those are things that you want to make sure you include or maybe even HOA dues.
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Right.
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We might tack that in with your, with your monthly payment as well. So making sure that you're accounting for everything, your principal, interest, taxes, insurance, your hoa, maybe even pmi. Right. Just making sure all of those are included in your payment.
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I think another one too is your bookkeeping. Like if you're not tracking your expenses and the income on the property and you're hiring a bookkeeper to do that, or you're paying for some kind of software to actually track your income and expenses like QuickBooks these days, my gosh, like I think it's like up to like $90 or something a month. And you know, so think about that to your bookkeeping and then your tax preparation fee like your, your CPA will most likely charge you a little bit more because now you have this property and especially if you have an LLC and they're going to have to do a whole separate return. So I think those are kind of missed too. And in the all in payment, you're just going to take what they would charge and break it down over 12 months to make sure that you're accounting for that.
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That's why I like the rookies would use like a pre built tool. So if you head over to biggerpockets.com tools you can see all of the different calculators that we've built out for different investing strategies. And the reason using something like the BP calcs is so helpful is because it's impossible to forget. Some of these things that rookie investors typically forget because the calculator literally will not process if you don't put something in for these values. So we talked about the payment, right? But other things that rookies should be considering as they're looking at deals are your reserves. You know, having ideally at least six months of expenses, you know, three months, maybe like a minimum, but six months of reserves. So six months of that payment set aside just in case something hits the fan. You know, gosh, your utilities costs, if you're maybe covering some of your utilities for your tenants vacancy costs, right? Like no property is always booked or always occupied all the time. So at some point there might be some turnover. And can you factor in those costs, capital expenditures, right? Things like getting a new roof, a new H vac system, new water heater, Those are all things that'll need to be replaced at some point. So just making sure that you're accounting for all of the expenses because the rent price and your mortgage, the difference between that is not your net profit. And I think that's where a lot of folks get caught up is like, oh, I'm going to rent this for 2000 bucks. My mortgage is only 1600 bucks. I'm making $400 net profit every single month. That is not the math you want to use. You want to make sure you, you account for all the different costs that go into actually owning and managing that property. All right, moving on to golden rule number two. It's a budget for more than paint. If I, if I had like a nickel for every time I heard a rookie investor say it's just a super cosmetic fix, like I just need some touch up paint and then I'll be good. I probably wouldn't need to invest in real estate, right? Uh, but I, I think for most rookies, as they get into it, they realize that to either if it's a rental, command the amount of rent that you want. If it's a bird to get the ARV that you want, if it's a flip to get the sale price that you want. Typically there's more that goes into that than what a rookie investor initially accounts for what they anticipate for. I think the one thing that we know is that there's always some sort of unknown when you go into a rehab project. And, and just because we see something visually, you know, as we're doing our initial walkthrough, once you start doing things, opening up walls and exploring what's actually going on, there's a good chance that something else could pop up. I've talked about my, my deal from hell in Shreveport and part of what made that deal so challenging for us was that when we made the decision to sell, we ended up uncovering an issue with the foundation. And we, it. It had been a rental for us for I think two years or maybe like a year and a half at that point already. And um, and it was fine. But it was during the process of getting it ready to sell that we uncovered this other issue. And it's crazy because we had done the rehab, but either way, we had to fix the foundation on this property that wasn't even being rented. So there's always, I think, an opportunity for unknown expenses to pop up. So make sure you're always budgeting more than what you think a deal might need early on.
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And I think too like, even if it is just paint, like there's a lot more that may go into it just on that aspect of like, if you're gonna do the painting yourself and you're just like, it's just paint, like, I know I need, you know, a five gallon bucket of pain. That should be good or whatever. Like you need to buy all your rollers, you need to, you know, tape off the windows. Buy your tape, not your, you know, if you want to lay the blankets down or whatever. Like there's so many other expenses unless you're already outfitted to be a painter that you'll need to actually do the painting and to do a good job. So like the first thing you said when it was like, it's just painting. A very common thing that we didn't budget for for a while was new outlets and outlet covers. So like a lot of properties near us have the old yellowish and like the off white. And now we've transitioned to either like white or like the almond color even. And so like those, those add up. Like it's outlet covers are pretty cheap, but like you need how many for each room and then to actually just if you replace the COVID then your actual outlets aren't going to match, so you need to replace both. But yeah, just like little things like that that you'll notice as you're painting will really make the room seem better.
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Yeah, that's true. Even if you're just painting, there's some hidden costs there. I think what I would encourage most rookies to do is that as you're, as you're trying to create your scope of work, right, the things you want to change or that you feel need to be changed Within a home. Like come with pictures of the comps, right, of the comparable properties that you think yours should be similar to properties that have recently rented, properties that are recently sold. And just like, literally, if you can print them out, even better. And just walk through your property with those photos in your hand and just compare. Okay, I'm in the living room of our house. I'm looking at the photos of the other living room. What's different? What do I need to change? And go top to bottom, left to right, all the way around the room, 360 degrees. If you do that, you'll have a decent starting spot for your actual scope of work. And I think you might start to pick up on things like, man, these are yellow outlets, those are white. So we should probably swap those, right? So having the actual comps as you're creating your scope is super beneficial.
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You could always ask your real estate agent too. They walk how many properties and they could say, oh, I would recommend changing this, changing this, changing this. Like, these may be in little details, but it's something they're consistently seeing in some of the homes that are selling at top dollar. Like, you know, the landscaping, like having that wow factor when you just step out of the car onto the property and you're not even in the house yet. Like, okay, you're thinking of how you can rehab the house, but like, is there even like the landscaping or different things that you can do? But I think having a real estate agent come, so great idea to have them go through and just tell them, like, if you were selling this property and hopefully they would be the one selling it in the end. Give me a list of every little thing that you, you think should be done. Nitpick it, go through it. And I bet they could come up with a very, very detailed list. Even if you don't end up doing those things, you can at least get an idea of, you know, what are the actual major things that will move the needle.
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And I think the last two pieces are a get multiple bids. You know, the, the more folks you can get through the property to give you a bid, the better. And then second, always add a contingency. I would say for Ricky investors, if you get a budget of 50,000 at 20%, right? So add another $10,000 to your budget just to be safe because again, you're going to miss things. Things might go over budget. It's, it's almost guaranteed as, as a new rehabber that something will not go according to plan. So having that budget baked in from the Beginning super important.
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Okay, so number three is going to be prioritizing your cash flow over cute houses. And Tony, I feel like I'm being personally victimized here in this because I've definitely been like, oh, that house. I just want that house. And try to do everything to, to make the deal work. But you have to stay focused and realize that like, even if it's a cute house, what is your goal? What is your strategy? And make sure that that deal fits that specific buy box.
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I think it's so easy for rookie investors to get caught up in looking at houses that are just cute as opposed to houses that actually support their goals. So let's say you've got a goal of getting to $10,000 a month in cash flow, but you also don't want this massive portfolio where you're managing 100 units and you say, I feel comfortable managing at most 20 doors. Okay, well, $10,000 a month at 20 doors. That means you need to get at least $500 per month in cash flow from each door. So with that as your kind of buy box, that should be more important than how cute is this home or how much would I want to live here personally? So I think being able to have a super clear buy box that you can fall back on is much smarter and a more efficient way to build your portfolio than just going after houses that you know, that like, pass the vibe check right, that like have the, the cute curb appeal that you know it's in the neighborhood that you love and say, what's actually going to help me achieve my goals?
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Yeah, I think we saw this a lot, especially as the market was kind of going crazy when interest rates were super low. But people were doing all kinds of things to get their offers accepted where they, they were waiving contingencies and they were buying a lot of property sight unseen and really kind of stepping into contracts that I think would be pretty risky for a new investor. It's different if you're a seasoned investor who's you know, bought and sold, you know, dozens of homes in that same area. But if you're doing this for the first time, I think the inspections are there to make sure that you don't get yourself into a position where you do end up losing a ton of money. So I think there, there are some must have contingencies that all Ricky should include and to me that's your inspection contingency or this gives you the ability to actually get a property inspection, do your due diligence, make sure that everything's working as it should be or at least you know what the extent of the damage is for anything that's not working. Second will be like a financing contingency, making sure that you can actually get lending on the deal, an appraisal contingency. Like what happens if we go under contract at Y but the property only gets appraised at X, you know, and who's going to help us get that Delta clear title? Right. Like I mean ideally you should. I would never want to purchase a property with some sort of title issues, insurance. Right. Can you actually insure the property which is becoming a bigger issue and then sometimes you know, maybe like a partner approval depending on what the situation of the deal. But I say those are like the core ones, I think the thing that gets more people in trouble is when they start adding, like, unnecessary contingencies or like, contingencies that maybe might make sellers a little bit more, like, nervous or cautious. But those ones, inspection, financing, appraisal insurance, I think those are all pretty straightforward and standard contingencies to add.
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So one of the things that you can do to make sure that you don't forget or miss one of these contingency periods periods is to actually create a timeline. And your loan officer can help you do this, Your real estate agent can help you do this and create some kind of Tracker. In the BiggerPockets rookie resources, we do actually have an acquisitions tracker, which is kind of like a checklist where you're going through, making sure you're doing all these things. I don't think it specifically has, like, your inspection deadline date or things like that, but you can go ahead and you can amend this tracker and make it specific to you and you could add those things in. That's@biggerpockets.com rookiresource yeah, I've worked.
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I worked with the lender once, I can remember which deal was a few years ago. But they had some sort of software where, like, I would log in, I would submit all my documents through that software, which was great. But it also had, like a closing timeline calendar on there as well. And they, like, loaded up into this timeline, like, all of the important dates from the purchase agreement. I always thought that was, like, super helpful. Um, but even here, like, I've got an agent in California, and anytime that we go under contract and deal together, his transaction coordinator just emails me like, hey, just so you know, due diligence ends in seven days. Hey, just so you know, you know, financing contingency needs to be done by this day. And they're just like, updating you throughout the process. So I think leaning on your lender and your agent is super important because, like, if you miss one of these dates, like, that could be your earnest money deposit that you end up losing. So keeping track of those is always important, important. All right, let's move on to our next one here. Golden rule number five is to screen tenants with systems. And I'll. Ash, I'll defer to you on this one. But I think that it's easy to see a person, talk to a person and feel like, man, this is a really great, nice person. Like, I love Ashley. That's not screening someone, you know. So, Ash, what. What is like, an actual good screening.
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Process look like I Do think it is important to have you or somebody at least get face to face with the person. So that's usually the person that's showing, you know, the property and they can kind of give you some feedback on the person. So like I was just talking to a leasing agent the other day and we were kind of comparing stories here and she said, you know, sometimes I'm there forever because they're telling me their whole life story as to, you know, why they should rent this apartment and why we should rent it to them. And then other times it's, you know, somebody saying, I've got $2,000 cash, right, I'll take it today. You know, like all these different things. So it's good to get kind of an insight to the person. But just remember, like, you can't deny someone just because there was a bad vibe or because of, you know, something they said about their story or whatever. So there is proper documentation and proper screening to follow to follow the fair housing laws. And I highly recommend using some kind of software to, to do that. There is. If you have a property management software, they usually have built in a lot of this for you. If you don't, you're just self managing without any software. I think it's tenantreports.com is one that you can go to where it's strictly you just buy the tenant report, you buy the screening reports and you want to get a credit check. And on the credit check you want to make sure you understand how to read it, you want to see what their credit score is and you want to know what your minimum is. So actually before you go ahead and do any of this, you should create a list of like, what will or won't you accept? So that way if anybody does come back to you and say, hey, you know, you never said that this was, you know, I wouldn't qualify without this and blah, blah, blah. And so you're going to have like your minimum credit score is 600. They can't have any collections against them, you know, and you can keep going down through the list and make a list of these things. What they need three and a half times the rent for income to be able to be approved. And then you're going to actually run the reports, get the credit report, and then you're also going to get a background check which will tell you any kind of, you know, illegal activity they've been involved in. And you also need to make yourself aware as to what illegal things will you deny them for. Is that for, you know, if It's a small multifamily. You'll deny them because of a violent history like armed robbery or something like that, because there's other people living in the property. Will it be, you know, if they have a drug charge or things like that? But those are the two most important reports you can get. But then you also need to verify the information they're giving you. So their income. It is so easy to modify pay stubs with all of the AI, all of the, you know, you know, I bet I could take a pay stub and I could put it on Snapchat and I could use their little tools that they have in there on just like the. To post a regular photo to be able to alter it to look like a real pace or, you know, to change the amount. So there is like add on software. You can get where it verifies it for you, but you can just simply call, call the number that's listed on the pay sub, ask to verify their income. You can, you know, email the person. So I think, and also like Google the phone number that's given to you to make sure it like matches with what that company actually is too, because they could just be giving you your phone, your friend's phone number. So credit report, background check, and verifying the income, I think are the three major things that you need to do in your tenant screening system.
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And, you know, I appreciate you walking through that, Ash, because one bad tenant can erase a lot of your cash flow. You know, you, you've had the, you know, the good fortune of having to evict folks. And, you know, we know that not only do you get lost rent, but then there's a cost of evicting that person. From a legal perspective, any damage is left over. So spending a little bit more time upfront to find the right person, I think it's better than just like filling a unit with the first warm body. And really that's true for like so many different parts of real estate investing. If you think about hiring a contractor, right, it's like sometimes it's better to wait for the right contractor. Actually, almost every time it's better to wait for the right contractor than it is to just hire the contractor that can start today without really fully vetting them. So I think it's the same for all different parts of real estate investing. All right, guys, we're going to take one quick break, but while we're gone, be sure to check out the real estate rookie YouTube channel. You can find us there at Realestate Rookie and we'll be back with more right after this.
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Back with our final two golden rules. And golden rule number six is to check the local rule book. Every state, county, city has slightly different rules and regulations as it relates to how you can operate your real estate investments. And this is true both for traditional long term rentals, midterm rentals, short term rentals, everything in between. The obviously tenant landlord laws are different in California, where I'm at Versus, where Ashley's at, Versus somewhere like Florida, versus somewhere like Texas, versus somewhere like, you know, name the state. They all have slightly different ways that they manage tenant landlord laws. If you're doing even something like wholesaling, right, like some states now require you to have a license to wholesale, whereas other states you don't. So understanding what the local rules and regulations are for whatever strategy it is that you want to focus on I think is important. The short term rental landscape from a regulation standpoint has changed dramatically in the last, you know, call it five years. I think pre Covid it was such a small percentage of homes that were being used as short term rentals where a lot of cities just hadn't taken the time to even figure out how to, how to police them. But now with the boom that we saw coming out of COVID a lot of cities were scrambling and some places just like completely stopped short term rentals altogether. Some said hey, we're just going to stop issuing new permits while we figure out what to do. Some said, hey, we're fine with it. Just make sure you get a business license. So doing your homework and understanding, okay, what are the rules and regulations I need to follow by I think will set you up to make sure that whatever property you end up buying it can actually be used in the way that you want to use it.
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This goes along with long term rentals and just like your state laws specifically, but also like in a lot of cities you have to file like a rental permit and every year, every two years, just kind of like short term rentals, you have to have register your property that you did not live there as your primary residence and it is a rental property. Oftentimes if you do live there, you don't have to do this and you can bypass that rule. Some really great resources for finding out what these laws and regulations are are just going to the town hall and oftentimes they have a pamphlet. It's like a, it's more of a book, a little mini guide thing that says landlord laws on it or guide for tenants. Either one you're getting the laws and rules and regulations in that area and they usually just have it out with a stack of other resources for people in the town and you can go ahead and just take it. Also your local housing authority organization. So in Buffalo one is called Belmont, one is Home NY and they offer free or very low classes that educate you on all of this stuff. Like at least three times a year they're doing one on like emotional support animals. They do them on just a general overall like these are what the laws currently are. They do one for like you're a first time landlord, here's what you need to know. And they used to give out a book, a guide thing with it. I don't know if they still do that, but that was when they used to be in person. But a lot of them are virtual now after Covid too. So there's a lot of free resources and education about the laws and regulations. Especially if it's like a broader thing that you're Looking at where short term rental laws I feel like are so hyper local sometimes. Like the lake that I have my lake house at, it literally change it. Like there's probably in total 8 towns that surround the lake and touch the lake for lake access. And every single one of those eight towns has different short term rental laws. Like going from there's no rules to they're not allowed at all. So I think it's easier to find these resources and these classes and programs for like broader laws, rules and regulations, especially in the long term rentals rental side.
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And I used to question like what's the right place to go? And Ash, you gave a lot of good resources. Yeah, the, the local government is obviously a great place to go. To start. You can look for real estate attorneys in your market that specialize in tenant landlord laws or that just understand real estate from a legal perspective. But just, you know, ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it, you know, so you've got to make sure that you do your due diligence to figure out what those things are. All right, our last and final golden rule, Golden Rule number seven is to commit to one strategy for at least 90 days and 90s somewhat of an arbitrary number. Right. It could be less, could be a little bit more. But I think the thing that we want you as rookies to guard against is shiny object syndrome. Because what that does, if you're like just constantly jumping from one idea to the next without giving yourself enough time to fully explore an idea, to fully understand its true merits, you're never going to build expertise in one thing. And Ashley and I both kind of focused on one specific asset class to build our portfolios. Ashley focused a lot on small multifamily in and around the Buffalo area. I focus on single family short term rentals. And now both of us has kind of expanded what it is that we're looking at and what we're trying and what we're doing. And you know, Ashley's doing a live in flip right now. She was looking at campsites, we bought our first hotel. You know, like there's other things that we're focusing on, but I think building, building that expertise and one area is super important to give you the confidence that, okay, cool, I can actually do this. So I think the words of encouragement or what I would ask of all of you is to say, hey, for the next three months, 90 days, I'm going to pick one strategy, one sub market and see how far can I go. Can you build out your team in that market, can you start analyzing a bunch of deals? Can you submit a bunch of offers and just see, okay, is this something that I would enjoy to continue doing? Or do I need to pivot to either a different market or a different strategy or a different niche, whatever it may be, but give yourself at least enough time to try it out to see if it's worthwhile.
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I think during this time period too, when you're trying things out and you know, trying to pick what strategy you want to commit to, I think there's the chance to get stuck into analysis. Paralysis and also shiny object syndrome of, you know, not really getting hyper focused on one thing and trying it out to see what you want. But then it's like, oh, well, this person said this. And that is something that I struggled with for so long. I started out great because I didn't know any other strategies. I didn't know anything else that you could do in real estate investing. I just thought long term rentals, that's it. And I was so great. And then I started to learn about all these other things and I probably like, during that time, I didn't like buying any rentals for like a year because I was just doing this where I was learning, committing to, you know, just a month, two months of learning about that strategy and figuring out, okay, is this the one? Is this the one? And I did that for almost a year. And that's where I decided to make the pivot to campgrounds. I'd looked at self storage. I went to a self storage conference. I had looked at expanding into more short term rentals. I had one Airbnb arbitrage at the time. I looked at mobile homes, I offered on mobile homes and I got a. I made. I did spent a whole year trying to do that. And even the one that I chose, the campground, that ended up not even coming into fruition. I put it under contract. I went through my due diligence and I realized like, this is way more than I wanted take on at least that property at the time. Then I got another one under contract and then that one just kind of like fell through. And I realized that, you know what, maybe this isn't the thing that I actually want to go after. And so I wasted a year and a half trying to figure that out. And then I went right back to what I knew best and what was working for me, and that was long term rentals. So don't like get discouraged, discouraged if like the thing that ends up working for you and the strategy you commit to is, you know, the most boring, mundane thing that you can think of because that's what's going to build you wealth, whatever. You have the system in that that.
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Works for you and you know, to like, you don't have to commit to that thing forever. Right. It's like I said, Ash and I both dabbled in this thing for a while before trying other things. But I think there's like a tipping point point where it's like if you don't put in enough work, like, you'll never really find that progress. And I think the reason that most people struggle to find success is not because of how often they say no to things, but it's because of how often they say yes. And they say yes so often and so frequently and they're like, oh, yes, let me try that. Yes, let me try this. Oh, that sounds good. Oh yes, let me do that. But if we would just say no a little bit more often. No, that sounds interesting, but it's actually not what my core focus is. You know, that sounds like a really great idea, but no, I'm actually focused on this one thing right now. I think if we could all focus on less, we would be able to move faster, build more expertise and find success faster. So that's the, that's the seventh golden rule, is commit to one strategy, at least for the next 90 days and see how far you can get.
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Well, thank you guys so much for joining us today on this episode of Real Estate Rookie. I'm Ashley and he's Tony and we'll see you guys next time.
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