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What if the scariest part of your first real estate deal isn't the numbers, but the moment you actually have to wire the money and commit?
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Today we're answering three questions from the BiggerPockets forums that hit exactly where rookies are feeling the most pressure. Closing on your very first deal, investing in a market where sales are slowing down, and figuring out your after repair values when you're investing from a distance.
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This is the Real Estate Rookie Podcast. I'm Ashley Kerr.
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And I'm Tony J. Robinson. And with that, let's get into today's first question. So our first question today says, I'm closing on my first investment property tomorrow afternoon. Congratulations. That's what every single person listening to this podcast wants to get. Sue. So he says, I'm closing on my first investment property tomorrow afternoon. Sweaty palms? You bet. It's a small property, only a duplex, and not a large dollar value. But when I looked at the closing statement and saw the out of pocket I need to wire tomorrow morning, reality started to hit. On paper, the numbers work. I walked through it with many people that I would consider advisors. But deal analysis to reality is tomorrow. I'm pretty excited and nervous at the same time. So here's the question. It says, think back to your first deal. What were some of the challenges you didn't expect out of the gate as a real estate investor? I'd love to hear some stories. So first, this is major, right? It is a little scary, you know, when you've got to wire in those funds for that first deal.
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But.
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But it's a big moment and it's a culmination of a lot of hard work. And regardless of where this first deal goal goes, you got to give yourself some credit for being a member of the bigger pockets community who doesn't just consume content, but actually turns that content into action and into. Into a first deal. So when I think back to my first deal, some of the challenges. I gotta say, all in all, my first deal was actually like a pretty smooth first deal. I found a property that needs to be renovated and I was doing this all remotely. I live in California, the property was in Louisiana, and the renovations went relatively smoothly. There were no big gotchas or we were actually pretty spot on with the budget as well. So I got pretty lucky on my first renovation. I had a great property manager and they found me a pretty solid tenant who was there for the entire, I think owned that deal for two years and had someone in there for the entire two years that we owned that property. It was, it was a pretty uneventful first deal. I didn't make a ton of money off of it. I think I was cash on like 150 bucks a month after all my, you know, occupancy or vacancy and expenses and property management fees. But it taught me the ropes. So I really can't think of anything for my first deal. Ash that there was like a big gotcha. What about for you?
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Um, the really big like gotcha, I guess was like we had done our homework, we had gotten quotes, and we were going to put a split unit in the upstairs for the heat and the ac. And when it actually came time to install it, the H Vac company said you actually don't have enough amperage for your electric and you need to upgrade your electrical panel. And that was about an $800 expense, which that was a lot of money for me to not be prepared for. And so that was something really unexpected expected that happened. But we actually did everything right. And it was really the company that we worked with that they should have told us that when they came out to quote the job and not wait until it was installed for somebody to realize that it wouldn't work out that way. So that was like a big thing that was frustrating as we did the right process, but there still was a hiccup. And that's why I preach reserves. Reserves. Reserves are so important to have. The next thing is I would have put in like a lot more, maybe like software and tools right away instead of like a lot of pen and paper and QuickBooks, I would have used property management software right away with my, my first tenant instead of just having them mail a check, entering it into QuickBooks and you know, having them text me or call me for maintenance requests and things like that. So that was challenging when I accumulated several properties as to making the switch, where it would have been so much easier to just implement that from day one. And then here you go. Here's my process for paying rent through. You know, right now I use turbo tenant paying through there. And this is how you do it. Instead of having tenants just switch, switch after they were already used to a certain method of paying rent and submitting maintenance requests.
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Yeah, I'm thinking not just my first deal, but just like other mistakes that I've made as a real estate investor. And the. I grew up in an area where everything is like city sewer, right. So like, like I've never dealt with a septic tank before. And the first property that I bought, the first short term rental that I bought in California was on septic and I did not do a septic inspection. And a few months into owning this property, and this is a short term rental, I get a call from a guest who's very pleasant and polite but says, hey, there's some brown liquid coming up from the, from the bathroom and in the shower. And it's because the septic was backing up. And turns out the septic was in massive need of a pump, right? It hadn't been pumped out for a while. So now every time that we buy a property that's on septic, one of the things we do early on is check the septic, right? We do a septic inspection and we've actually had deals where like there was a property that I purchased where there was no septic and this is, this is like a big renovation job, but there was no septic. It was like all of the plumbing was just like going out into the dirt, right? And had I not had that experience beforehand, I probably wouldn't have caught that. So I think one of the big things that I would ask, and obviously you're pretty close here, but just this is for all the rookies that are listening, is for whatever area you're in, ask your agent like, hey, what are some of the inspections that are maybe not common nationally, but that are common to this specific area that I should know about to make sure that I'm not stepping into a bigger problem down the road or for this age of home or for this part of town or for this structure, whatever it may be. And a good agent should be able to kind of point you in the right direction there as well.
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And then just doing a home inspection and you know, walking through with the inspector going through each item on the list and I always ask their recommendation or if they have anybody that they recommend to do the repair work, if they have an estimated cost that they see, but that would take for that. And then I also have them prioritize like, okay, what are things that need to be fixed right away? What are things that need to be fixed within the next year? Do you think is going to die within the next year? Like the H vac system, the hot water tank. And so it's kind of like immediate within the next year, then five years and then like maybe like a 10 year thing like the roof, you know, you probably got another 10 years on the roof or something like that. And I've always found that really helpful in kind of like helping me estimate my repairs, but also my capex and then also What I want to negotiate with the seller too. So for a property right now that I have under contract that we negotiated, there was mold in the attics. Still having them remove all of the mold. The vents for the bathroom were actually venting into the attic and that was part of the reason for all the mold. So having the vents redirect to the outside and then there was just a couple other like little miscellaneous things that we had them just take care of that, things that we didn't want to have to deal with.
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That's actually a really good point, Ash, about like thinking about your repairs and renovation during that window as well. I think we've heard from a lot of rookie investors that they close and then they start to like try and plan out what their renovation schedule looks like, but then you've lost like a week or two weeks or sometimes more by waiting until you close. Ideally, if you've got like a renovation project going on, which you didn't say in this question, but if that is the case, you want your demo to start on on the day that you get your keys. Right.
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That dumpster dropped right off.
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Right off. Right. Because otherwise you're, you're eating up a lot of holding cost by just trying to plan things out. So even for us, like, even if it was a short term rental, we would sometimes start purchasing the furniture before we even close in the deal because, you know, sometimes a couch, there could be a three week lead time on the couch alone. So we would even pre order some of the furnishings for our short term rentals and you know, or like flooring, if it's a renovation, we might purchase some of that beforehand. If there's a long lead time in this specific tile that we want for the bathroom showers. Knowing that obviously there's a chance that maybe we don't close and then we'll have to go through the hassle of trying to get that stuff returned. But better to have all of that material sitting in the driveway on day of closing so renovations and demo can start all, all on day one.
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And not even just to like have it furnished, but also you can't even list it until it's furnished either. So like you're not going to take a picture of your empty living room with no couch and listed on Airbnb. Like you need to have the house complete to give your accurate photos to the listing, you know, to put up. So that's like an either. Even bigger thing with short term rentals is like you can't even start accepting bookings until you have your pictures to, you know, with all of your furnishings on it. Okay, well, coming up, we'll break down what actually surprises investors after their first closing. The stuff that no spreadsheet prepares you for, and how to avoid the most common early mistakes. That's right after a quick word from our sponsors. At some point, your little real estate side hustle stops. Feeling little rent's coming in, maybe you've got a couple properties now and suddenly the money part gets real. Your tax bill's going up, you're googling LLC versus S Corp midnight, and you're just hoping you didn't miss something that'll cost you later. That's where Collective comes in. Collective is the first all in one financial solution built exclusively for solopreneurs. Saving you time and money, they help you structure your business for success, whether that's forming a single member LLC or adding an S Corp election. Collective's AI engine, backed by expert oversight, automatically categorizes every expense. You never miss a deduction beyond bookkeeping. They handle quarterly tax estimates and prepare books both your business and personal tax returns so you never miss a deadline. You'll also get integrated invoicing plus seamless payroll for S Corp owners, which can unlock thousands in self employment tax savings. And with Collective's community and support, you can finally take the solo out of solopreneur. Right now, Collective is giving you 50% off your first two months when you go to collective.com rookie. That's 50% off your first two months at collective.com rookie real estate investors.
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Let's zoom out from that first deal because once you're in the game, the bigger question becomes how to adjust when the entire market feels off. So this second question says reports indicate 2025 is on track to be the worst year for for home sales in U.S. history. Based on a news article I saw recently. With buyer activity way down for active investors, how are you adjusting your strategy? Finding better deals because of less competition, Pivoting from flips to rentals, holding longer than planned, Offering seller financing to make deals work. Would love to hear how seasoned investors are navigating this unusual market. Okay, so the first thing I'm thinking, thinking of here is my own market and there's nothing for sale. There's literally nothing. I actually am listing a duplex for sale right now and I think that it's actually going to, you know, sell just because there is literally nothing you could buy in that market. I literally think that it's a smaller town, but there's one other property for sale. And I also have an apartment for rent in that same town. And within 48 hours I received 37 leads of people interested. I had to open up more showing time because it was so, so booked. So I think just because there's, you know, not a lot of transactions going on in the market doesn't mean that there aren't pockets of areas where deals can happen. I saw a Facebook post where somebody asked, I'm looking for a home. My family's moving to the area. Does anyone have anything for sale? We can't really find anything right now. So many people commented listing in the spring, listing in the spring, listing in the spring. DM me for details. DM me for details. And it was like, okay, we're going to get that spring surge again. And I think that will kind of give us more of a feel of like what's actually going on the market because then if you get flooded with these listings again and they're still just sitting there. Even if they're decently priced, then yeah, that's more opportunity for you as a buyer to go in and make these low ball offers for people that have to sell their house, that need to sell their house. So I think it's hard to gauge. I think looking at the news and what they say is going on nationwide, I think is very different. You need to look at your market specifically as to what is happening with property sitting days on market, looking at how they they are priced. Like, are the properties that are sitting on market, are they the ones that people are still listing them for, you know, 20, 21 prices that people could get when the market was crazy? And then also make sure you're looking at pending. Like click that little checkbox in Zillow. So you're not just seeing sold houses, but you're seeing the pending. And you can go and you can look at the, the history of that property to see when it was listed and when it went pending. Like there could be a bunch of decent houses that are actually selling pretty quickly. And I've seen that also in my market, where if a property is decently priced and a lot of grandma houses are selling where they're great bones, but they're not, you know, renovated at all. They've got the old shade carpet, but like great condition and great shape, those sell like that in my market. Or if they're like somewhat renovated and like, you know, three beds, two baths, those are also selling very quickly. It's more of the properties that need rehab that are sitting, more of the small multi family that's sitting, and also like larger properties that aren't renovated or updated at all.
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Yeah, I think there are a few things that happened in 2025 that were somewhat unique. First is that we had this combination of prices continuing to increase while mortgage rates remained elevated. And because of that, we had affordability challenges and that that somewhat limited the potential buyer pool because homes were just more expensive. Right. So affordability, I think continues to be a challenge for a lot of folks looking to buy homes. And obviously for us as investors, increased prices and increased rates can also squeeze our ability to produce cash flow on traditional single family homes. And I'm talking nationally. Right. Like every market kind of sees a different breakdown locally, but just nationally is what we saw. There's also what's been called like this lock in effect, where there are a lot of homeowners with really low interest rates. You know, think 4%, 3%, some even below 3%, who have no intention of ever moving or selling their homes because they don't want to trade their 3% interest rate for a 6% interest rate. Right. Even if they bought the same house, that's a significantly more expensive payment for them. So if they want to move up to a bigger home, it's even more of a challenge for them. So there are still a lot of sellers who are sitting on the sideline because they don't yet feel that they can afford to move up because of where rates have gone. So it's this weird thing where there's this affordability challenge. There are sellers who don't want to sell. There's a lot of buyer demand, but they're kind of stuck on the sidelines. And all these things are kind of coming together at the same time. I think all of that has changed what it means to be a real estate investor in 2025 and now going into 2026 and beyond. Like. Like, for me, I know Ash and I both had properties that have sat for a lot longer than what we wanted. And, you know, we've interviewed other investors in the podcast, you know, Henry Washington, Dominique Gunderson. Both of them talked about their flipping business and what that looked like this year, and they saw volumes decrease because they just simply weren't getting as many yeses because they were underwriting more conservatively. Right. So then maybe that's what it looks like. The volume took a bit of a step back in 2025. So you've got to be more disciplined in your underwriting. You've got to have the courage to say no to a deal and not just get so deal happy that you start saying yes to things or kind of fudging your numbers to try and make. Make them seem more reasonable. But I don't think that you stop being a real estate investor. We also interviewed Thatch Win and James D. And that episode just recently aired. And these are folks with, you know, multiple decades of experience in real estate investing. And their biggest point of that episode was, it doesn't matter if the market is up, doesn't matter if the market's down. You still keep doing deals, how those deals look and what those deals look like, and your criteria might shift and change. But we don't stop being real estate investors simply because the market is a little bit stickier than it was before, because a lot of times it's in these moments where the big wealth is really made. So 2026, we'll see what the year looks like. I think there's a lot of anticipation that rates might continue to come down. I think it was maybe last week or so. We're recording this in late January and I think it was like last week that rates had hit a recent low. So maybe we'll see that again as we get into 2026. But I think the goal for you is how do you still find deals that meet your investment criteria? And it doesn't matter what the market's doing. If the deal matches what it is you're looking for, then move forward with the deal.
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I actually just emailed my lender last night and I had gone through the loan process. I think it was in December, early December. And then the closing has been delayed on the property because of the mold remediation and everything that the sellers are doing. And so I emailed them and I said, you know, I'm just wondering, like it it, has my interest rate gone down? Can I get a better rate now? Because the rates have changed since I started the loan application process. So he hasn't emailed me back yet. But I'm going to keep harping on it. And the rate lock actually expired on it because of the time frame anyway. So I'm really hoping that I can even get a better rate on this deal.
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I was talking to an investor recently and they were able to get like a couple of point reduction on their, on their rate because they think they opened up like a credit card with this local credit union or something. But either way they told me that their rate was like 5.75 on an
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investment property or their primary on an investment property. Wow.
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And I was like, I haven't heard anything below a six in a while. So the fact that there were some banks out there that, you know, different incentives, whatever it may be, that are getting people below sixes, I think that's going to start to open up a lot more demand as well.
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Yeah. And I think like I've seen just for primary residents, like the rate around like 5.8 I think is like the lowest that I saw even just for your primary, which is usually lower even than an investment. But I think it was Dave Meyer who had talked on the podcast one time about he opened like an account with Wells Fargo or something. And because he had like a brokerage account with them, I can't remember specifically, they actually gave a discount on the interest rate too if you did a loan with them too. Yeah.
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And that's just like a good thing to ask guys. Like, and this is more so like especially a lot of like the bigger banks can probably offer this as well, but just ask, hey, are there any incentives, like is there anything that I can do to maybe earn an additional point or two off my, off my mortgage? And you'd be surprised what options are out there. All right, guys, before we go into our final question, if you are not yet subscribed to the real estate rookie YouTube channel, make sure you do that. You can find us at realestate Rookie. If you want to do more than just hear mine and Ashley's lovely voices and see our lovely faces, you can hang out with us on, on YouTube and join the conversation there because you can leave comments. But we'll be right back after a quick word from today's show sponsors with our final question. Hey rookies, if you're watching this, we want you to apply to be a guest on the Real Estate Rookie Podcast. That's right. Ashley and I are looking for amazing stories just like yours to be a part of our Real Estate Rookie podcast. Now look, you don't need to be an expert. You don't need to have done thousands of deals. Even if you've done one deal, your story could help inspire the next listener.
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As a rookie investor, especially if you just got your first deal, it is all fresh in your minds and you are the best person to tell your story, give your experience on how you got it done to help someone else get their first deal.
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So head over to biggerpockets.com guest if you want to be a part of our show again, that's biggerpockets.com guest and we'd love to have you on. All right guys, welcome back. And we are here with our final question for the day. It says I'm looking to flip in the Tampa, Florida area and I'm in touch with a few wholesalers and realtors in that market. I've received multiple properties from them. However, I'm always concerned that their ARVs are inflated, which will leave me in the red. How do you determine correct ARVs when you are not physically present and can't pull your own comps from the mls? Great question. I think. First, let me just define a few terms here. Number one, ARV stands for after repair value. This is the value of the home after you've made any renovations or improvements to it. So you buy an old beat up house for 100,000 bucks and after you're done renovating it, now it's worth 200,000, right? The 200,000 would be your after repair value. Wholesalers. We talk about wholesalers a lot. But just to quickly Define that. A wholesaler is basically someone who's a professional deal finder. They do all the work of knocking on doors, sending mailers, sending text messages, cold calling people to try and find motivated sellers who are willing to sell their properties below market value for, you know, various reasons. And they sell those contracts to real estate investors like me and you. So I define those two things because a wholesaler makes their money by locking a property up at one price and then selling that contract to an investor for a different price. And the price that the investor pays is always based on the proposed after repair value. The higher the after repair value, the more the investor is willing to pay. The lower the after repair value, the less the investor is willing to pay. So if a wholesaler wants to maximize the amount of money they can make on a contract, it's in their best interest to provide the highest potential after repair value to the seller. Now why do I share that? It's because the wholesalers are motivated to, to paint the rosiest picture possible for you as the investor about what that property might sell for. My strong recommendation is to use whatever they propose as a single data point, but do not make any definitive decisions on whatever ARV a wholesaler provides to you. When I get properties from wholesalers, and sometimes I'll read the comps I send over, they might pick comps that are like 12 months old or that are six miles away. And those aren't the best comps that we want to use when we're going through our process of predicting or projecting our own arv. So I think that's the first thing I'll say is that do your own homework, find your own comps. Not to say that you can't trust the wholesaler, but you guys have slightly different motivations and your, your best interests aren't always aligned in terms of what they project and what you project.
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Yeah, definitely like doing your own research and not going off of what anybody else is telling you, especially if they have skin in the game and making a, you know, a fee on the back end of the wholesale deal. But one thing that I, I think has really helped me is just making a spreadsheet with, in looking at properties that have gone pending and then properties that have sold in the area on my own. And you can, like a recent agent that I just worked with, she printed it off, you know, for me, of different comps, but sometimes I've noticed that they're, they're not the comps that I would use. So like, I'm looking at every single listing to actually look what's comparable. Because sometimes listings aren't accurate. They don't have the right bedroom count. They, you know, are stated that they're in one zip code, but it's actually in a different town, even though it has the one zip code. And like, there's different things like that. Like in my area, a lot of, like their villages are called and they have their own water and sewer supply. And you don't have a well on your property. Well, you could still be in one village's water and sewer hookup, but you're actually, you know, a different town zip code code. So like, different things like that when you're pulling just from like a generic, you know, list, like off the MLS and not like actually looking in detail at the comps, those are little things that could be missed. So I really like just pulling my own comps off of Zillow. And in one thing to take into consideration too is like in New York State, it can take like 45 to 60, sometimes 90 days to close on a property. So I always look at, and then I keep in my spreadsheet, what is the purchase price, what was the listing price, and how long did it take to close and when did it go pending? So, for example, if I see a property was went pending, you know, in September and then it didn't close until December, I know that that's market value for September, that that's not what the property is worth in December. Like the market could have shifted. So I always try and take that into consideration. And if a property goes pending right away, I usually factor in that and make a best guess that if it hasn't closed yet, but it's gone pending right in December, at the time period, I'm looking that it probably sold for asking price or over asking, but I just use the purchase price as my comp number.
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I think one of the things that I found to be super beneficial too is to ask whatever agent you can find in Tampa for copies of recent appraisals that have been done on properties that they've sold. The reason that I like to see the actual appraisal is because you then get the framework that actual appraisers are using to determine what comps to use. You can see how big of a radius they might have in that specific market. Like, as for you and some of the more rural parts of town that you, that you operate in, like, how big of a radius from the subject property do you see? Like, how far out are they willing to go?
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Yeah, so like, for me, when I'm looking at the comp, I want to be like, like in a five mile radius. I try to be, but sometimes that is so hard. Like I've gotten appraisals done before where it's like 10 miles away. Like that's a big difference. But like to they're trying to like find a comparable property. So like, it really is difficult in
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that sense in like, in some neighborhoods, like I say it's like a subdivision, you might only be able to go like a half mile, you know, before you start to get into properties that aren't the best comp. So seeing the actual appraisal I think is a really solid way to get an understanding of how big of a radius do they draw around the subject property? What kind of differences in value are they giving for either additional bedrooms or fewer bedrooms or additional bathrooms or fewer bathrooms or differences in square footage or lot size? You can see how they back into all of those numbers by looking at the appraisal and you simply take that same approach and find other properties in that same radius and then you can apply the same pluses or minuses for those variations in square footage, lot size, and so on and so forth. Like Ash, you mentioned Zillow. I like to use like propstream Privy is another good one for comping out properties. So whatever your data source, you can do it that way. You can, you can even ask your agent, like, hey agent, can you give me a list of all the homes that have sold in the last 90 days and they should be able to just like export that for you and send it to you. It's static data so it won't update over time. But even if you just want to do like a one time search, you can do it that way as well. So there's a lot of different ways you can go about getting that data to give you the confidence and then sanity checking your process for building those comps against the appraisals that that agent gave you as well.
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Well, thank you guys so much for listening to this episode of Real Estate Rookie. I'm Ashley and he's Tony and we'll see you guys on the next episode.