Real Life Real Crime | Justice for Hailey Update & Fundraiser Drawing Launch

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime | Justice for Hailey Update & Fundraiser Drawing Launch

Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Host: Woody Overton (with guest Barbara Johnson)
Date: May 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Woody Overton delivers a powerful update on the "Justice for Hailey" case—a campaign seeking accountability and answers in the tragic and controversial death of Hailey. Woody announces the launch of a fundraiser raffle to pay for the final scientific testing carried out by Scott Roeder and The Evidence Room, critical in presenting new forensic evidence to authorities. He is joined by Barbara Johnson, Hailey’s mother, to discuss hard-won progress, persistent challenges with officials, and what supporters (“Lifers”) can do next to push for justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Purpose and Details of the Fundraiser

• Scientific Testing Costs:

  • $10,000 was required for advanced scientific tests by Scott Roeder, with $1,800 still needed as of this episode.
  • Funds raised go directly to pay for this vital forensic report requested by the DA.
  • Quote: “It cost $10,000 to have the scientific testing done...we need another I think $1,800 y’all to bring it home to pay it off.” (Woody, 05:44)

• Raffle Prizes:

  • Three luxury, handcrafted Helle knives from Norway, each custom laser-engraved “Real Life Real Crime,” donated by the Davenport Law Firm.
  • Each knife described in detail—valued at over $300 each.
  • Entry Details:
    • $5 for 1 entry
    • $10 for 3 entries
    • $25 for 10 entries
    • $50 for 25 entries
    • Enter via Venmo or PayPal, using your name, email, address, and phone.
  • No physical tickets; entries tracked in a spreadsheet; live random drawing upon hitting the fundraising goal.
  • Quote: “Five bucks...for a chance to win over fifteen hundred dollars worth of knives...every penny goes to #JusticeForHailey.” (Woody, ~16:25)

• Special Thanks:

  • Thomas Davenport/Davenport Law Firm for donating the knives and ongoing support.
  • KnifeWorks in Columbia, Louisiana for engraving and handling the knives.

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2. The Justice for Hailey Case: Scientific Proof & Ongoing Battle

• Background & Obstacles:

  • Authorities, especially DA Sonya Allen in Cobb County, have stalled the case, requesting new scientific proof to consider re-classifying Hailey’s suspicious death.
  • Previous stance from officials was, “unless you got more...scientific evidence...we’re not doing anything else.” (Woody, 26:32)

• Role of The Evidence Room (Scott Roeder):

  • Scott Roeder, a leading forensic expert, reconstructed the scene, performed reenactments, and laser testing.
  • Findings: It is physically impossible for Hailey to have died by suicide as previously claimed. Multiple lines of evidence, including the angle of the gun, the presence of her hair clenched in her hand, and the physics of the wound, all contradict the official finding.
  • Notable Quote: “They’ve proven scientifically...with the reconstructed apartment, laser testing, reenactments...it’s physically impossible for her to have done what they said she did.” (Woody, 29:14)

• Recent Frustrations & Inaction:

  • The original detective (Nudie) and DA’s office are unresponsive to repeated calls and submission of the new scientific report.
  • Quote: “He [Scott] won’t answer and refuses to call him back. He’s heard nothing from them. He’s gotten in touch with the DA’s office, heard nothing back from them.” (Barbara, 28:51)

• Next Steps: Public Pressure and Release of Report:

  • Lifers (fans/supporters) are called upon to ‘melt their phone lines’ (politely) with demands for answers.
  • Upon permission, Woody plans to release the full forensic report to the public and media to force official action.
  • Quote: “We’re going to release the report to everyone and then we’re doing a call to action...you have to answer somebody. You’re a public figure.” (Woody, 32:17)

• Barbara’s Emotional Perspective:

  • Barbara highlights the toll, but also the vital support from the RLRC community.
  • Quote: “There’s just too much sometimes. But the lifers and Hailey’s friends just keep on—filling in when I’m having a break.” (Barbara, 49:36)

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3. Key Evidence from Forensics Report

• Highlights:
  • Hailey was found with a large amount of her own hair in her hand, which could not occur in the manner described as suicide, especially given her dominant hand and blood alcohol level. (Woody & Barbara, 38:07–39:48)
  • The shotgun blast trajectory and required body position defy suicide as the manner of death.
  • Forensic analysis included not just physical/biological evidence but behavioral interviews as well.
  • Roeder is confident enough in the findings to invite review from other forensic experts:
    • “Let them get another forensics guy to disprove my report...it can’t be done. Science doesn’t lie.” (Scott Roeder paraphrased by Woody and Barbara, 36:31)

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4. Community Call to Action

• Organized Response:

  • If the DA continues to ignore the science, the RLRC community will repeat previous successful actions:
    • Contact public officials—DA’s office, detective, news media—with polite but firm inquiries.
    • Share the forensic report widely on social media and encourage media coverage.
  • Quote: “We don’t want to fight, but we will...we need to stand together and push it forward and get Justice for Hailey. Period.” (Woody, 47:40)

• Fundraiser Urgency:

  • As soon as the final funds are raised and Roeder is paid, Woody will immediately conduct the raffle drawing and shift to full public advocacy with the scientific report as evidence.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Authorities’ Reluctance:
  • “Why would you not want a murderer in prison for murder?” (Barbara, 33:29)
• On Community Power:
  • “Lifers, it’s time...We're going to melt their phone lines. Not disrespectfully.” (Woody, 32:17)
• On the Science:
  • “Wherever the science led, it led. And guess what it led to? The truth, which we all knew all along.” (Woody, 34:08)
  • “If they don’t want to look at the report...then we're going to put the report out to everyone...and y'all, that’s a lot—it’s a lot of different areas of testing they did.” (Woody, 37:20)
• On Support:
  • “I can’t thank you enough.” — Barbara to the RLRC community and supporters (49:52)
• On Fixing Official Mistakes:
  • “Everybody makes mistakes. I get that. But just fix it.” (Barbara, 56:28)

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Important Timestamps

| MM:SS | Topic/Highlight | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 05:44 | Woody’s warning/disclaimer and fundraiser introduction | | 13:00 | Knife descriptions and raffle mechanics explained | | 24:43 | Barbara Johnson joins the call | | 26:32 | Discussion: DA’s prior promises, scientific thresholds, and the challenge with Cobb County | | 28:23 | Barbara on lack of response from officials | | 29:14 | Woody and Barbara describe the forensic evidence and its significance | | 36:31 | Roeder’s attitude: “Let them get another forensics guy to disprove my report...science doesn’t lie.” | | 38:07 | Specific forensic findings—hair in hand, shotgun coordination, etc. | | 49:36 | Barbara describes the emotional toll and supportive impact from the RLRC community | | 51:04 | Roeder’s scientific objectivity and results | | 52:37 | Urgent final appeal for raffle ticket purchases | | 55:15 | Need for renewed public pressure, media involvement | | 57:01 | International reach and community gratitude | | 58:19 | Barbara’s final thanks to the RLRC community, Woody, and Tommy Davenport |

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Final Thoughts

Woody Overton and Barbara Johnson stress both the factual foundation for justice—via indisputable new forensic evidence—and the irreplaceable power of community action. This episode solidifies the RLRC community’s commitment to seeing justice for Hailey through, no matter how many obstacles remain. Listeners are called to help by entering the fundraiser and preparing for a renewed wave of advocacy demanding official accountability in Cobb County.

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To get involved:

• Buy raffle entries (details on all RLRC social media).
• Prepare to call/write Cobb County DA’s office when prompted in coming episodes.
• Share updates and publicize the forthcoming forensic report when released.

“We don’t want to fight, but we will.” – Woody Overton (47:40)

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Transcript

[Woody Overton]

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Warning this episode of Real life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people. I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you hello everybody and welcome this episode of Real Life Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host Woody Overton. Today we're doing JusticeForHalie. We're going to tell you where the case is now currently and we're going to announce the fundraiser I've been talking about forever that so generously done. These items were donated by Thomas Davenport, attorney at law of the Davenport law firm out of Pineville, Louisiana. My personal attorney and best deed in the world. Also a professor at Southern Law School. He knows his stuff and in I told him that we were short I think it's time like $2,000 for paying the evidence room and Scott Roeder for the scientific tests and they've done Haley's case and he generously donated these three knives that are all laser engraved with real life real crime. Morning y'. All. These aren't just knives either. These are like works of art and they are from Haley H E L L E Knives and they were founded in Norway in 1932. Helen Knives has spent nearly a century crafting heirloom quality knives using traditional Scandinavian knife making techniques. Every heli knife is a handcrafted and designed to blend beauty, functionality and durability. Heli knives are prized by collectors, hunters, outdoorsmen and craftsmen worldwide for their exceptional craftsmanship and natural material. The I'm gonna go ahead and tell you about them real quick. Again, these three knives were purchased through the knife works through knife works and that that's a great company all in in north Louisiana. Look them up. They're awesome. They the that they did the laser engraving. The real life, real crime engraving on the blades and everything else. The but the knives were purchased by Thomas Davenport and the Davenport firm in support of this justice for Haley fundraiser. Now let me tell you this. The it cost $10,000 to have the scientific testing done. Ms. Barbara Johnson, Haley's mama did the gofundme and the she's been handling it all and she's paid Scott everything that was raised thus far by lifers. And we need another I think $1800 y' all to bring it home to pay it off. Now Ms. Barbara's about to call me in a few minutes and we're gonna discuss where the case is. Go back to the NAS we're doing a fundraiser. So it's $5, $5 in entry and as soon as we hit the 1800. What was the whatever the mark is that's needed to pay Scott rotor off. We're doing a drawing for all three knives. Okay. So I'll tell you about that in a minute. So the first knife is a Haley Harding number 99. And the Haley Harding features a 3.94-inch blade and a stunning handle. Crafted from curly birch and dark oak, this this knife is known for its timeless Scandinavian design, exceptional craftsmanship and comfortable ergonomic grip. This knife includes a handcrafted leather sheath and custom RLRC engraving. Y', all, these knives are so beautiful. They come in these tubes. They. They really are works are. I mean you certainly could use them the for skinning or. Or whatever it is you use. Awesome knives for Me, I would put this thing on the metal piece and just look at it. The second knife is a Haley Sigmund number 77. The Haley Sigmund features a 4.25 inch blade and a beautifully crafted handle made from stacked leather and curly birch. Named after Sigmund Haley, one of the founders of Haley knives, this model combines traditional Norwegian craftsmanship with practical outdoor performance. This knife includes a handcraft leather sheath and the custom RL Real life real crime. But it says RLRC and has a thumb the emblem on it and it's laser engraved. It's beautiful. Prize number three is Hale ARV number 14. The Haley ARV features a 3.5 inch high carbon steel drop point blade and a striking handle made from ring, birch and bone. This model combines traditional Nordic style with the exceptional edge retention and outdoor quality. The knife includes a handcrafted leather sheath and custom RLRC laser engraving. And again, special thanks goes to the Thomas Davenport and the Davenport firm of Pineville, Louisiana for their generosity and support of the real life real crime family and hashtag justiceforhaly. Their donation these beautiful, beautiful handcrafted knives has made this fundraiser possible and we are incredibly grateful for their commitment to help than us reach the final eighteen hundred dollars needed for Scott Roeder in the evidence room for hashtag justiceforhaly. And I'll tell y' all about that in a minute because this good but good luck to everyone who enters and thank you for helping us continue the fight for Haley. Tell you real quick about the what y' all. They're gonna be the knives. The pictures will be post all over social media. Look, these are at least 300 a piece. So it's 1500 dollars worth of knives and you get for five bucks the chance of. I mean if you buy three tickets, you could win all three, right? All right. Also the I'm tell you about her again real quick. It's the last eighteen hundred dollars that we need for Skyrotor in the evidence room to complete, paying for the scientific tests and they've done. And I Miss Barbara just called in and we're going to talk about all that in a second. But I already read you the description of the knives and now I want to read you real quick about the raffle. And as soon as I'm just let me read it to you. So the real life Real crime family is raising funds for a special project. And thanks to an incredibly generous donation for Thomas Davenport of the Davenport firm, we are giving supporters the opportunity to win one of the three beautiful handcrafted Haley knives of Norway. The Our fundraising goal is eighteen hundred dollars. And once that goal is reached, we will conduct a live random drawing to determine the winners. This is how you enter. There will be no physical raffle tickets issued. Each donation will receive entries that are tracked in a spreadsheet. Every participant's name will be entered based on the number of entries purchased. Now, once we reach our goal of 1800, we use a random number generator to select the winners from the spreadsheet entries. So here's the entry levels. For five bucks you get them one entry, $10 you get three entries. $25 you get 10 entries. And for $50 you get 25 entries. Y', all, that's cheap. $50. At least $300 a piece, if not more, for these knives. So there's no limit on the number of entries you may purchase in the payment methods. You can use Venmo or PayPal. You send, insert your information, your name, your email, your address and your phone number. Phone number. And you do all that in the payment so that. And at that time, once it's received, it'll automatically be entered into the entries. And of course, if you're not watching the live drawing when we do, we'll contact you when you win the Again, this is all for hashtag justice for Haley to bring home the to make Scott wrote her an evidence from a hole for the testing that they've done in this case. And now y' all just, I mean, five bucks. Fifteen dollars for a chance to win over fifteen hundred dollars. Yeah, that's a pretty good deal. And every penny of it goes to hashtag justice for Haley Scott Roeder and and the evidence room. And as soon we're not, not gonna let it roll over as soon as it hits the eighteen hundred dollar mark, then we are going to immediately do the live drawing. And I don't expect it's going to take long, so don't wait around to purchase your tickets. It'll be everywhere on all our social media and everything else. All right, so that being said, why are we doing this? And thank you again one more time. I'm going to say it again in a minute. To Thomas Davenport and the Davenport law firm out of Pineville, Louisiana. Y' all. Knife Works is the company in Columbia, Louisiana. They laser engraved each one of these knives they deal and only the best of the best. And they are they have a retail store in Colombia, but you can contact them, you can go to knifeworks.com and look at everything they have. They have everything knife related in the world, right? Plus a bunch of other awesome things. And their number is 888-225-9775. And let them know that real life, real crime and Thomas Davenport, attorney at Lawson, sent you. I mean they have everything from automatic knives, different brands, butterfly knives, fixed blade knives, flashlights, folding eyes, kitchen cutlery, knife styles, KW exclusive, multi tools, outdoor gear, all kinds of stuff. And they are specialists. And again, that's knifeworks.com out of Columbia, Louisiana 888-225-9775. Tommy Davenport Jr. Of the Davenport Firm APLC in Pineville, Louisiana. The y', all. He's my lawyer, period, and a professor at Southern Law School. And he's just a super great guy. He does criminal defense law. He does constitutional law, he does civil litigation, he does appeals. He is he holds the highest possible peer rating from Martindale Hubble indicating the highest level of professional excellence. He has client distinction reward. He's received awards for client satisfaction from Martindale and Hubble. He takes a client focus approach and emphasizes getting to know clients personally to build trust and improve cases outcomes, case outcomes and treating classes he would want to be treated. Advocacy. He's known for taking on difficult cases and fighting for individuals against the government with a strong work ethic. Y'. All. He is a bulldog is what I call him. And he's located at 607 Main Street, Pineville, Louisiana. 71360 is the zip. The number is 318-445-9696. And if you call and you can't get him right away, you're gonna probably talk to Ms. Kylie, who's another dear friend, great lifer and dear friend of Real Life Real Crime, the podcast. So that being said, again, eighteen hundred dollars is what we need. And as soon as we get it, we're gonna give it to Ms. Barbara Johnson, who's Haley's mama, to give to Scott Roeder in the evidence room. And now The I have Ms. Barbara on the phone with me. Hey parents, I got a quick question for you.

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I'm doing well. Well, finally getting put together this. The fundraiser to raise the last bit of money that we need for Scott Roeder in the evidence room. And first of all, thank you for being with us. And I know it's been a long time coming. I've had these knives for over a month that, that since the Davenport firm shipped them to me. And it's just now coming to. I saw your post. It was yesterday. About what's going on one in Haley's case. And we're going to get to that in a second. And so everything works out the right time. But the. The. So y' all know, in case you don't remember, the, the evidence room, Scott rotor, they're famous. They take scientific approaches to cases to prove or disprove things in the cases. And they did it in Haley's case. But this is not free. Now, he's not making a nickel off of us, but he had to pay for all the scientific tests and et cetera. And that was $10,000. And Ms. Barbara started to go fund me and she raised over $8,000. Right, Ms. Barbara?

[Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, it's I think 8. 82, 75 now. We just got in one today.

[Woody Overton]

All right, well, but hopefully we're about to have a bunch and in on these knives come in. It's over. You know, I don't know. A thousand dollars worth of these. Just pieces of artwork basically, that have been donated and that, you know, so who. Who wouldn't take a $5 pop to. To or $15 chance? I mean, you could win all three of them, right? They. Personally, I would like to have all three of them on my man. I think they're they're works of art. But. But back to the case. So y', all, you know that the district attorney lied to us. And in out of Cobb County, Ms. Sonya Allen, or whatever her name is, and she promised Ms. Barbara all this and that and that, and then we. And. And I'm the one that made it drag out for so long because I'm the one that kept saying, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. And in the end, they just gave her a bunch of lip service. And basically we're like, well, unless you got more something scientific evidence or whatever, then we're not doing anything else. Right? And because we can't. First of all, they try to say it's double jeopardy, which is not. But we're not going to our are. You beat that. Continue to beat that dead horse. The. The thing is, we know it's not, but that's okay. What they asked for, they said. Or what they. What she said was, we're not going to touch it. We're not going to do anything else with it unless you can, you know, we have something scientific that can prove that Haley did not commit suicide. And. And guess what? Scout ROTOR and Evidence room took it on, and they've proven it. And now. I read the report last night, Ms. Barbara. I read the entire thing, but I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you talk about it. Then you tell the lifers what's been going on, what hadn't been going on.

[Barbara Johnson]

You're probably better at that.

[Woody Overton]

Well, no, I want to let them hear from. From Mom. Right. And. And then. Then maybe we'll have Scott on one next week. Hopefully we'll have reached the. The amount that we need by the end, and he can explain all the different scientific stuff, but the. Tell us what has been going on. What's been going on. Like any last contact you've had or. Or what have you.

[Barbara Johnson]

Okay. So, you know, Scott finished the report and he submitted it to the medical examiner's office, and she sounded kind of positive when he submitted it, but he hasn't heard anything back. But she did say that it would be. I think. I think how she worded it was it would be best if Detective Nudie submitted it.

[Woody Overton]

And that was. That was original detective on the case, right?

[Barbara Johnson]

Yes. Yes.

[Woody Overton]

That screwed it up. Yeah.

[Barbara Johnson]

Yes. So Scott reached out to him several times to try to, you know, get him the report and talk with him. He. He won't answer and refuses to call him back. He's heard nothing from them. He's hurt. He's gotten in touch with the DA's office, heard nothing back from them.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, she's talking about Scott Riders. Let me again tell you about Scott in the evidence room. This guy is, Is, you know, certified as an expert witness in just about every court there is, even internationally. He's done cases. The evidence frame. When we talk about this report, it's not just one thing they've proven, and we'll get into it in a minute, but they've proven scientifically with. They reconstructed the apartment, they did all kinds of laser testing, they did reenactments, they did all this stuff, and they've proven it scientifically that, that Haley could not. It's physically impossible for her to have done what they said that she did. Cannot be done. Go ahead. Go ahead, Ms. Barbara.

[Barbara Johnson]

Right. So, you know, he's trying to get in touch with everybody. He had a, an intern and for a week. And that's pretty much all she did was try to get in touch with people. Nobody will call back. So I did call the medical examiner again yesterday, and somebody's supposed to call me back by Monday, so we hope so, but I don't. I'm definitely not holding my breath.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

So at this point, you know, we're kind of at a, I don't know, standstill or, you know, stare off with, with them because nobody's doing anything. So the next step, I guess, is to call the, the organization that is over prosecuting attorneys.

[Woody Overton]

Well, I, I tell you what the next step's going to be because this is what happened before Lifers when we did a call to action and you blew up Sonia Allen's lines. Then she finally gave lip service to Ms. Barbara and, you know, put our best people supposedly on the case and call them the D A the or the assistant D A s and all these people, and only because we put the political pressure on them. And you know what? We're going to release that report. Ms. Barry, if you call Scott today, just give me permission to release it. The. We're going to release the report to everyone and then we're doing a call to action and we're going to have y'. All. We're going to release Sonia Allen's phone number again and emails and everything else. And guess what, Lifers, it's time they. We. We shouldn't have had to pay for the scientific testing to begin with. And, and, and, and. But we were. We. You got it done and Lifers got it or getting it done. And we're getting it done. And that, you know, what We. We did what you asked. And now you're not even returning phone calls. Well, you know, you won't have to. You have to answer your phones real soon because lifers were going to melt their phone lines. Not. Not disrespectfully. The.

[Barbara Johnson]

The.

[Woody Overton]

You asked for this. You have it now with a scientific certainty that there's no way she could have done it. And this is what you need to take to a jury. And you. You. Why aren't you doing it? We're going to make. Not say we're gonna make your life live in hell, but we are. We're. But. But as citizens, you have to answer somebody. And you know what? You're a public figure. You need to answer the citizens questions. And you said you needed this. You've got it now. And although we had to pay for it, you've got it now. And Ms. Barbara continues to carry the torch in the fight. Why. Why do you have to call the medical examiner? Why do you have to call Detective Movie? Why do you have to do all this?

[Barbara Johnson]

Exactly? Well, I mean, and the point is, like, I get, okay, if this is what you needed and you're not gonna do it, which is lacking on your part, but if you're not gonna do it and we did it and you have it, I mean, it's handed to you. Why would you not want a murderer in prison for murder?

[Woody Overton]

And. And especially when all the work's been done for you? The. The. This guy Scout ROTOR is not some quack, some joke. The. He's got a history of. Of these cases and being successful. And look, he took it on. Not the. The. He was like, hey, when I talked to him ahead time, he's like, we're gonna do. Do the case. And. And that science is going to show what science shows. He says. I basically, he didn't have a dog in a fight. I mean, if Haley was murdered, he. I mean, he could prove it. He was going to be able to prove it. If. If. If she killed herself, he's gonna prove that, too. And. But wherever the science led, it led. And guess what it led to where it led, which is the truth, which we all knew all along. And even all the people in. In Cobb county or over there in Georgia, all of them said, y' all heard me play the audios that Ms. Barber had. They all said it was a homicide, and we're going to prove it's a homicide. And this whole thing goes back to the fact that they sent Haley's body for an autopsy without any physical facts. From the detectives about interviews or anything that happened. And the, The. The pathologist said it was a suicide because she didn't have the damage to the back of her tongue. And then once the detectives went and gave all the information that they had, which they never. Haley's autopsy should have never been done without the. The detectives being there, period. Detectives go give them all the information that he changed it from. From suicide to undetermined. Well, that's a big deal right there. But now then they said it. Well, that's our number one guy. We don't want to go against him. He. He does, you know, testifies in all our cases. Well, I get that it's your up the. And he's changed his stuff, and now he's got it beyond a scientific.

[Cindy (Home Decor Segment)]

The.

[Woody Overton]

The. All the tests have been done. It's been proven in. Scott Roeder is trying to get them to acknowledge it. He. He told me. Scott told me.

[Cindy]

He said, look, I. I hope to

[Woody Overton]

be working with these people one day. And, and that to be their witness in this case to prove. If it proves out that way, to prove that Haley did not commit suicide. He said, so I don't want to go against them. I don't want to have to be ugly with them. He said, I want them. If the. If the evidence proves that away, I want them. I want us to work together and get justice for Haley.

[Barbara Johnson]

Right? Yeah. And he told me, you know, naturally, I don't like Detective Nudie.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

But he told me, he said, yeah, that we want to give the. The report to him. Let him be the hero. Let him take the report into the DA Let him do it. And then that way he, you know, we'll be a team and it won't be so, you know.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

So he's tried. And he even said. He said, if they have a problem with the report, let them. Let them get another forensics guy to disprove my report.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely. And what he told me, he said, he said, I would expect nothing less. I expect nothing less than them to take my report to the best that they can find. They think they can find their experts and let them try to scientifically disprove it, because it can't be done. The science doesn't lie.

[Barbara Johnson]

Exactly.

[Woody Overton]

And, And.

[Barbara Johnson]

And if I'm not mistaken, I. I can't remember the guy's name, but I guess the guy that he really respects, that he trained under, and I can't remember his name. But anyway, he had him even look over it. So I think. I'm pretty sure that's what he said. So.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, well, you know what?

[Barbara Johnson]

There's no. There's no reason.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. No reason. But you know what? The. If they don't want to look at the report and. And Scott's okay with it, then we're gonna put. Put the report out to everyone. I'll do an episode. I'll read the whole thing. And. And y'. All. That's a lot. It's a lot of different areas of testing they did. And they even included things like assholes, you know, interview and behavior and all that. There's just a whole bunch of different things and every. Looked at from every different scientific angle it could be looked at and then put all together and says with the scientific certainty that Haley did not commit suicide. And y'.

[Barbara Johnson]

All.

[Woody Overton]

The One of the parts. And I'm gonna be graphic. Ms. Barbara. And the One of the parts which. Which goes along with everything else but one of the parts is that she had hair in her hand and her. I think it was her right hand. Barbara in her right. In her right hand. Which means she had her hair hand in her hair when the shotgun went off. This shotgun weighs like seven and a half pounds. And from the. The I saw them in the report. The. The. The angle of the. The. The blast and everything else she would. Had to end up like, sitting up on her knee or what have you. There's no way the. You have your what Your right hand is in your hair. And when. When you get shot. She ain't a large amount of hair. I'm talking about. This is not something like yanked out a couple minutes before this. This is. It's a large amount of hair. And so when you get shot, you involuntarily yank that hair out. There's no way you held that shotgun up with your left hand at the angle it had to be at. And.

[Barbara Johnson]

Which isn't even her dominant.

[Woody Overton]

Right, Right. Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

And.

[Woody Overton]

And. And your blood alcohol was what. However high it was. And. And. And. And you shot yourself. Didn't happen. And we all know that. We all know the main.

[Barbara Johnson]

The main thing that he realized that I hadn't thought about and of course don't like to think about, but is that it had to be horizontal. I know the gun had to be horizontal.

[Woody Overton]

Y.

[Barbara Johnson]

For her brain to be intact.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. And. And. And the. And I know it's hard for you. Here's Mama. But you know what? Let them prove that Scott Rotor is wrong. They can't. They can't. And y'. All. There's so many different parts to this report. So many different tests that were done and down to you know, the whatever. I mean it was science is way outside of my wheelhouse but it's very very impressive and we will release it to everyone with Scott's permission. Then then when I do the episode on that the it'll be this week coming and the we're going to release the Sonia Allen's phone number and emails and whatever and if you feel so inclined call and ask why first of all. Well, I guess it's kind of too late for that. I would like to about why we had to pay for the scientific testing when you have scientists in your government agency and whatever. But let's see.

[Barbara Johnson]

She gets paid to do that, right?

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[Woody Overton]

And, and, but that's neither here nor there. The real, the real matter of fact is beyond was scientific certainty and that Haley did not commit suicide. Which they already know. And they, they know this but they, they figure out Brooks is sitting in jail but she's got to be about time to get out, right?

[Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, well, yeah. I mean there's, I don't know like they won't even, they won't even talk to me about anything. You know, like I've, I've asked him, you know, when can he get out? Well, he's got 11 years. I know he's got 11 years, but when can he get out?

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, well, the 11 years is probably a day for day. So, so five and a half years. Right. And, and then. Yeah, so he'll be coming up Pearl. Real quick.

[Cindy]

Real quick.

[Woody Overton]

But the, the, we need to make them feel the burn and the, the, the salt in the wound is Sonya Allen is big on social media about all this domestic violence work they're doing and everything else. And here, and here you are. I mean almost every day the lifers share her stuff. And, and, and, and they're blocking comments now from lifers. Yeah. And guess what? Yeah, go ahead.

[Barbara Johnson]

The funny thing is they have to block because they're a public, you know, a taxpayer.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

Organization, they have to block everybody. Which means they can't allow comments from anybody on their page.

[Woody Overton]

Y.

[Barbara Johnson]

If they block us. So basically now she's had to shut down her whole thing to keep us from commenting because she refuses to do the right thing, which is just crazy to me.

[Woody Overton]

Well, you know what? The, we're going to get involved again, give their numbers, we're going to give the detectives numbers we're going to give. Ms. Barbara, if you can give me the list of everybody we called last time, the news stations, the what have you now we have scientific proof and, and y' all so important. The. Look, Scott wrote an evidence room. I pray to God you never need them. I researched him. Yeah. I've had him on an episode. The dude Is legit. Okay, but that. He needs to be paid. He's not. He's not sweating or hound or anything like that, but he needs to be paid. And. And tall and guys. Yeah, yeah, he's got to pay his people. I mean, those tests aren't free. The and in. So he's not making any money off of it, but he's. He's. He's covering his expenses and. But he wants justice, period. And wherever it fell now, it could have gone the other way and he'd have told us and that had been it. But what's right is right. What's wrong is wrong. We need to buy your raffle tickets. $5 a piece. You heard me read it. And look, we're about to post it all over social media. As of Saturday, today, this episode be out on. On Saturday. Ms. Borrow. I know we're recording on Friday, but we're pushing it everywhere. And I. Look, if it takes an hour to reach the 1800, whatever it is, we need the. Or if it takes five days, the moment that thing is done, we are going to. Unless it's 4:00 in the morning, I can't get Cindy up. The moment it's done, we're gonna. We're gonna pick the. The winners. And y', all, wait till you see these knives. They're amazing, but they need to get paid. And then we're going. Look, I remember being in a plant in Salt Lake City, Utah, Chevron plant, and being in the. One of the break rooms and seeing a sticker that it was a union sticker, right? They had union members for Chevron, and they said, we don't want to strike, but we will. And like on. And Haley's. We don't want to fight, but we will. And, And. And I mean, don't want to be adversarial against Sonny Allen, but she's leaving us no choice. And I'm not saying be disrespectful, y', all, because being disrespectful, that gives her ammunition to. To, you know, let's say the media goes interviewer, and she can say, well, they're just harassing me or whatever, and they're calling me names and stuff like that. That's not what we're saying. D. When you read this report and you see it, if you're so inclined, and this is like the only third or fourth time I've ever asked y' all to do this, then call in and demand to know why they have not taken action on this report. And you Know what's going to happen? Just like last time, she's going to come out eventually because she has no idea how much pressure and heat this is going to put on her. She's going to have to say, well you know what? Why wouldn't I just go ahead and send it? So shut them up. And if my guy comes back and says beyond science with scientific certainty that, that Haley did not commit suicide, then. Then I gotta take it another way. Right? Basically do your job. And, and, and we don't need to be ugly, but we need to be. We need to be stand together and push it forward and let's get justice for Haley, period.

[Barbara Johnson]

So yeah, I mean I, I would give anything if she just did the right thing.

[Woody Overton]

And that's it.

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[Barbara Johnson]

This part of it was over.

[Woody Overton]

That's it. But you know what? You. You always fault and you always push and what. And you know, wonderful, wonderful mother and wonderful human being. And I know it. It's been hell on you and, and the girls and everything else, but you know, sooner or later, I mean God answers prayers. That doesn't always mean he's going to do it when we want it done, but sooner or later it's going to happen. And if not, let the news go ask them. But this scientific report by those famous scientists and this crew proves it. The. With scientific surgeons that Haley did not commit suicide. And they take. They put everything in there about Brooks Clear, y'.

[Barbara Johnson]

All.

[Woody Overton]

I mean it's. It's a lot. And let them go do their job.

[Barbara Johnson]

The thing is like it's through all this, you know, I have moments where it's just a lot. Like it's just too much sometimes. But the lifers and Haley's friends just keep on and keep on filling in when I'm having a break.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

And it's just. I can't thank you enough.

[Woody Overton]

Well, the, the that's. That's straight up lifers and they're the best fans in the world. I know Haley's fans too. But the. For. I mean they taking it so personal and they. They're posting almost every day throughout this whole thing and, and rightful. Rightfully so now they're pissed at Sonny Allen and, and I get that. But that they're about to really be pissed. And it. We need everybody, not, not just the ones that had been posting, but we need everybody to get back on the horse because now we have the ammunition to go win the war and they just got to do their job. That's it. And look, take it to your scientists and if they say no, okay, we're done. But they can't because Scott Roeder in the evidence room, they don't play. And he's not putting his name behind it and his whole career reputation behind Haley's case if he didn't believe. Well, it's not what he believes, it's what that the scientific evidence showed proved.

[Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, he, you know he, and he told me in the beginning he said, you know, we follow what the science is and even if it's something you don't want to hear, that's how we have to go.

[Woody Overton]

That's right. And. But you knew all along what it was. But thank God they, they were able to prove it scientifically. And y', all, that's when Sonya can take it to the court in and have Scott ROTOR testify in the evidence room the, the scientists that did the work testify and it will prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt. And that's what it, I mean that's what it's about.

[Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, I feel like even before Scott they could have.

[Cindy]

Absolutely, absolutely they did. They took it to, they just didn't

[Woody Overton]

charge him with murder.

[Cindy]

And so it's not double jeopardy but

[Woody Overton]

they got the conviction on the lesser charge of, of, of moving a body and, and you know, tearing up some police. But well you know what, you could have just as easy got that conviction back then for murder and they fucked

[Cindy]

it up and pardon my French, but they screwed it up.

[Woody Overton]

That that's on them and now they need to unfuck it. And in, in the, the lifers this week, please. First of all, y' all buy those tickets. $5, $25, $50, whatever you can afford.

[Cindy]

The I'm gonna buy.

[Woody Overton]

Well, I can't buy them. That wouldn't be ethical. But the. I guarantee you my, my friends are going to buy some and we're going to post all these pictures, all the

[Cindy]

write ups about how to purchase the tickets and everything else.

[Woody Overton]

I would love, love, love, you know, if all y' all out there put up $5 a piece, we'll have it in a day or two. And I would love to make Scott Roeder in the evidence room whole. And the. Ms. Barbara, I know you haven't met Tommy Thomas Davenport, the attorney.

[Barbara Johnson]

That's what I was gonna ask you. I would really like to at least call him and say thank you. That was awesome. That was very sweet.

[Woody Overton]

That that would mean the world to him. He's like the best dude and, and he's, he is such a bulldog. And when he was Here, I guess about two months ago. It was during turkey season. And. And I'm talking about Haley's case, and he's like, you still need more money for that? He said, hell yeah, The. My farm will donate. And then he came up with the idea about these knives because he loves them. And they really are. Look, they're pieces, their artwork really. And I mean, they're very functional. You can use everything. Yes. I'm gonna put all the pictures, all. All designs in there. They're. They're handmade in. In Scandinavia. The. In. They're just. And they're also. Each one of them, they. The. They laser engraved them with the real life, real crime, the thumbprint and RLRC on them. So that's, you know, some more appeal for the lifers. And look, these. I mean, 300 a piece at a minimum. The 300 a piece says 900 worth of knives. Get. Get your tickets. Let's get Scott Roeder and evidence roommate whole. And then we are going to push this. We shouldn't have to. We don't want to fight, but we will. And the. I believe that we're going to get the same results as last time because y' all are going to call everybody because you rightfully. So you're upset about it. And we will get the. The news media coverage again. I mean, why shouldn't the news get the report and read and be like, go call Sonia Allen and say, hey, why aren't you taking this? This is what you asked for. You got it. And. And. And what does she care? Send it to your people. And. And when they come back and be like, oh, you know what? They're right. Scott wrote her in evidence room was right. This is murder.

[Cindy]

And this is what you're waiting on.

[Barbara Johnson]

Even nudie. Why would he not want to go to them with that report?

[Woody Overton]

They. You know what? Yeah, well, you know what?

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[Woody Overton]

They screwed it up from the beginning. We all know that. But that. That is past pastime. And now. Now just be crude and curse and all but five foe around find out what's gonna happen if you don't make it right. And. And because this we're not going away. We're going to put the. We'll put the report everywhere on social media from Tik Tok to Real Life for Crime Community app to all my Facebook pages to where everywhere.

[Cindy]

And we'll send it to every media station in the world.

[Woody Overton]

And we want justice for Haley, period.

[Barbara Johnson]

Yeah. And I just. I mean, I don't. When. When I had a business, if we made a mistake, we wanted to fix it.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Barbara Johnson]

Like. Like fix it just. You know, everybody makes mistakes. I get that. But just fix it.

[Cindy (Home Decor Segment)]

That's it.

[Woody Overton]

That's it. That's all we're asking for. And. And. And we won't be mad afterwards, you know, the. The shilling. But should we have to get to this point stupid that we're even at this point. But thank God for Skyrotor and evidence room. Thank God that you never gave up Ms. Barbara. Thank God for you lifers who push it.

[Barbara Johnson]

Tommy. Thank. Thank you to him.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Barbara Johnson]

One thing where I found Scott.

[Woody Overton]

I know. Right? And so the lifers that are all amazing in. In them. And Tommy's from, like, England, right?

[Barbara Johnson]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

And so all over the world, people know Haley's story now. Thank goodness you're right. Thank you, Tommy. The. The. Thank goodness we have the scientific evidence proves that Haley not It's physically impossible. Did. She did not. She did not commit suicide. And so there you have it. So y' all get your tickets. Thomas Davenport, Attorney's Law. Thank you so much for the donating the Haley knives. The. Y' all check them out. Share it everywhere.

[Cindy]

Share.

[Woody Overton]

When you. When you get it and you read it, share it. And. And so as soon as we get the money. But miss Barbara's coming straight to you and you can give it to Scott Roeder. And. And then the. We're going to do the episode on the report and everything else. But y' all I read is legit. The. This should be going to trial sooner than later.

[Barbara Johnson]

Exactly. Yes.

[Woody Overton]

Well, yes.

[Barbara Johnson]

I'm so thankful to all of you. To Woody, Cindy, every lifer like you have saved me through this. Thank you so much. Well, and then thank you to Tommy Davenport as well.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Barbara Johnson]

Thank you so much for that.

[Woody Overton]

And.

[Barbara Johnson]

And he's so sweet.

[Woody Overton]

He's closed on Fridays, but I'll give you his number. I'll get. Actually, I'll give you this personal number so you can call him. He's just a good dude with a good heart. And. And he's a great. He's a great lawyer, by the way. So the. Well, I love you and thank you for taking your time today. And. And thank you so much. And gear up because get ready. Strap it on. Because if they don't acquiesce at right out of the gate and. And take this, then we'll just fight it the way we have to fight it. All right. All right.

[Barbara Johnson]

One of these days. One of these days, we're all gonna have to have a celebration.

[Woody Overton]

Yes, yes, definitely. And. And hopefully sooner than later, but. All right, well, I love you and we'll talk to you later. And thank you so much, lifers.

[Barbara Johnson]

I know she's looking down and thanking you all.

[Woody Overton]

She's. She's in my main hallway now, in between the office and the kitchen. And so I have to walk past her. I mean, I have to go through there to go to my bedroom or anywhere else and say, she's there. I'll send you a picture later on. She's there. Her picture is there. Her pictures there. Courtney's, which you know, Courtney Cocos, which we saw. And Madison's case that we're working now. What happened to Madison? The Madison's pictures there too, so that they're all there. And we're gonna, we're gonna keep pushing. And she's.

[Cindy]

She looks over every member of my.

[Woody Overton]

Everybody who walks through my house. She gets to see them.

[Barbara Johnson]

She's directing things.

[Woody Overton]

I'm sure she is. But anyway. All right, Love you much. And y'.

[Cindy (Home Decor Segment)]

All.

[Woody Overton]

I'm Woody. Over. I'm Woody Overton, you host the Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you down on murder by you.

[Cindy]

Peace.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

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[Woody Overton]

of point one for you.

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Do you understand your rights?

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