Real Life Real Crime | Justice For Hailey ep 28

Summary

Real Life Real Crime | Justice For Hailey ep 28

Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Host: Woody Overton
Guest: Ms. Barbara Johnson (mother of Hailey)
Release Date: January 16, 2026
Episode Theme: Renewed push for justice in the unsolved murder of Hailey, focusing on new forensic efforts, justice system failures, and rallying the community for concrete action.

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Episode Overview

In this emotionally charged episode, Woody Overton reunites with Ms. Barbara Johnson—the determined mother of Hailey—to reignite the quest for justice in Hailey’s stalled murder case. Woody and Ms. Barbara dissect prior investigative failures, share critical new developments, and rally listeners for support to fund a professional forensic reconstruction. Driven by frustration at the justice system’s inaction, the episode marks a pivotal, community-driven next step: raising funds for an independent expert review, with the hope that undeniable forensic truth will finally force the authorities to act.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Background: Hailey’s Case and Systemic Failures

• Hailey’s story has been covered in depth in previous episodes, constituting the “most evidence we’ve ever had in any case” according to Woody.
• Despite ample evidence, local authorities have failed to pursue murder charges against Brooks Cleary, the prime suspect.
  • The DA’s office obtained indictments for charges unrelated to the murder—namely, moving Hailey’s body and destruction of evidence—resulting in a sentence but not true justice.

    “They took the easy way out, and that’s a fact.” — Woody Overton [24:28]

  • Woody expresses deep regret for trusting officials to follow through and labels their investigation as insincere and inadequate.

    “It’s my bad for wanting to believe that somebody in the justice system is actually going to do their job.” — Woody Overton [04:44]

• Ms. Barbara recounts the repeated official stance that Hailey’s manner of death was “undetermined,” not suicide, leaving homicide very much in play.

  “If it’s undetermined, it’s just as likely to be homicide as a suicide.” — Ms. Barbara Johnson [08:05]

2. Pathologist Issues and Prosecutorial Reluctance

• Autopsy was flawed due to insufficient information provided to the pathologist, skewing conclusions toward suicide.
• After additional facts emerged, the manner of death was revised to “undetermined”—but authorities continued to avoid murder charges.
• Woody is skeptical:

  “They just didn’t want to go to trial for murder and lose it, because we’d be going against our own expert.” [08:04]

• Ms. Barbara notes that prosecutors repeatedly acknowledged internally that they “know this is a murder.” [11:54–12:14]

3. Pursuing a New Forensic Reconstruction

• Inspired by a similar case (found by supporter Tommy Thompson Cox), Ms. Barbara contacted forensic specialist Scott Roeder of The Evidence Room for an independent review.
  • Scott Roeder’s team offers full crime scene reconstructions, using advanced modeling, ballistics, and blood spatter analysis to answer key questions about the plausibility of suicide versus homicide.
  • Roeder has a strong reputation, including certifications as an expert witness and international casework experience.

    “His credentials seem to be beyond reproach.” — Woody Overton [22:19]

• Ms. Barbara and Woody agree this specialized review is the last, best avenue available, barring a dramatic change in district attorney leadership.

4. Community Call to Action – Funding the Fight for Justice

• The forensic team requires a $10,000 retainer (reduced from their usual $25,000+), which will fund scene reconstruction and expert analysis.
• Ms. Barbara is launching a GoFundMe campaign to gather these funds, with Woody and Cyndi pledging their own financial support.
• Full transparency is promised—100% of donations (minus standard GoFundMe fees) go directly to the expert’s work.

  “There’s nobody, including the cops and D.A., that take an in-depth look at this case… that doesn’t come away madder’n hell that Brooks Cleary isn’t in prison for murder.” — Woody Overton [23:30]

• Woody pledges ongoing daily promotion of the campaign until the funding goal is met and encourages lifers (listeners) to contribute or at least share the fundraiser across social platforms.

  “We need $10,000, and hopefully it won’t take long… If you can give a dollar, a dollar—it doesn’t matter.” — Woody Overton [46:07]

5. The Emotional Stakes

• Both hosts reflect on the profound community support for Ms. Barbara and Hailey, emphasizing that even if legal justice remains elusive, Hailey’s memory and story have touched thousands.

  “Even if we never get justice, just having all the lifers know Haley… that matters more than anything.” — Ms. Barbara Johnson [43:24]

• Ms. Barbara describes the campaign as a “Hail Mary,” the last chance to force official action and honor Haley’s life.

  “This is the Hail Mary. So I think it’s gonna go all right.” — Ms. Barbara Johnson [44:51]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Prosecutorial Inaction and Broken Faith

  “I don’t think they ever investigated anything. And I don’t either… It’s my bad for wanting to believe that somebody in the justice system is actually going to do their job.”
  — Woody Overton [04:44]

• On Autopsy and ‘Undetermined’ Rulings

  “Still don’t even understand that though, because if it’s undetermined, it’s just as likely to be homicide as a suicide. So that’s not really going against him.”
  — Ms. Barbara Johnson [08:05]

• On the Reluctance to File Murder Charges

  “Why wouldn’t we try him for murder?… They took the easy way out, and that’s a fact.”
  — Woody Overton [24:16–24:28]

• On Bringing in an Outside Expert

  “He’s certified as an expert witness… There’s a whole lot more that never made it to court because the opposing side is looking at and they’re like, oh, here it comes.”
  — Woody Overton [35:34]

• On the Need for Community Funding & Transparency

  “Ms. Barbara’s going to handle the GoFundMe… and we will push it every single day on every episode… I just totally believe that we will come up with the money in a quick amount of time.”
  — Woody Overton [33:13–34:29]

• On the Community’s Impact

  “There are people all around the world that love you… and they want justice.”
  — Woody Overton [34:46]

• On Donating and Lending Support

  “If you can’t give, hey, we totally get it. Just thank you. And when they come back with the correct findings, if you’ll help us push it out… even if you can’t, just share.”
  — Woody Overton [46:59]

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Critical Timestamps

• [03:28] Introduction of Ms. Barbara; background on the case and investigation failures.
• [05:38] Ms. Barbara discusses the DA’s comments on what it would take to reopen the case (new expert, confession, or new professional analysis).
• [09:47] Woody explains grand jury secrecy and how prosecution can tailor outcomes.
• [12:24] Ms. Barbara details discovering Scott Roeder and his firm’s willingness to review Hailey’s case.
• [15:21] Woody expresses skepticism, then affirms Roeder’s strong credentials.
• [22:19] Woody discusses vetting Roeder’s legitimacy and experience.
• [23:17] Barbara and Woody discuss need for GoFundMe and commitment to transparency.
• [28:16] Full details on Scott Roeder and Evidence Room, including spelling of names and process for fundraising.
• [33:09–34:29] Planning for GoFundMe launch and strategy for publicizing and funding.
• [43:24] Barbara and Woody reflect on meaning and community support outside of legal justice.
• [46:07] Launch strategy: “We need $10,000, and hopefully it won’t take long… If you can give a dollar…”
• [47:55] Ms. Barbara affirms Woody shouldn’t feel alone in trusting authorities initially.

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Next Steps & Listener Action

• GoFundMe Campaign: Launches alongside this episode; listeners are asked to donate what they can, share the campaign, and support in any way possible.
• Spreading the Word: Even listeners unable to donate are encouraged to amplify the cause by sharing across social media.
• Ongoing Updates: Future episodes will feature updates on fundraising goals and progress of the forensic review.

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Tone & Takeaways

The tone throughout is resolute, unfiltered, and deeply personal—alternately encouraging, frustrated, and hopeful. Woody doesn’t shy from criticizing the justice system but centers the community’s capacity to effect change when officials fail in their duty. Ms. Barbara’s unwavering fight for her daughter’s memory is the episode’s heartbeat.

Final Word:

“We have nothing to lose and everything to gain… Let’s get this case examined by the experts that the supposed law enforcement experts want… Let’s do their job for them, and get justice for Hailey.”
— Woody Overton [44:58–45:46]

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Resources

• GoFundMe Link: (To be released with episode drop; listeners encouraged to watch Real Life Real Crime channels for post)
• Evidence Room (Scott Roeder): [Contact info to be provided via official RLRC channels]

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This summary captures all significant developments, quotes, and action items for listeners seeking justice, whether or not they’ve followed Hailey’s case from the start.

Transcript

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Warning this episode of Real Life, Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature. It should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people, I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling, you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. Today it's hashtag justice for Haley. Okay? And for all you lifers that don't know Haley's story and haven't listened, we did a long, long series and worked Haley's case. Her mother and daughter got me all the case file information and everything's in there. And it's a long series, but it's probably. I. It's actually, it's the most evidence we've ever had in any case. And. And Haley's mama, Ms. Barbara, is the one that was instrumental in getting that. And so you just go back and listen to it. But it's time now. I have Ms. Barbara on the phone and we're going to talk about what we want to do next. And Ms. Barbara, say hi.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Hi, everybody. How are you?

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, so as you all know, and this is. I want to say this first. I really, really, really. And I feel like it's a huge failure on my part that it's way to slow because I'm the one. I was such a staunch advocate of Masonial and Uda, I really and truly believe when Ms. Barber had the meeting with her and the first meeting with her, and she was, like, blown away about the case. She didn't know the facts of the case. And then she's like, I'm gonna put, you know, my top investigator on and not his people. I'm doing. I'm gonna do this and that. And she's an ex cop. Wasn't a lawyer first. And. And then it morphed into. After that, she. Ms. Barbara has questions about whether Brooks Cleary was out and. Brooks Cleary. I was the one who murdered Haley. And she could, you know, call Ms. Barbara at home on a Sunday and stuff like that. And I'm like, yes, yes, yes, yes. Let them investigate it. Let them, you know, let. This lady's fired up. She's going to do it, and she wants justice. And then it rolled on weeks and the months and months and months, and I kept saying, wait, wait. Y'. All investigations take time, you know, and. And then finally, you know, just didn't happen. And. And y' all heard the episodes with Miss Barbara and what happened in the end and how they tried to explain that it was double jeopardy, which we know it's not. It. It's just. I don't think they ever investigated anything. And. And I don't either. Right. And it's my bad for wanting to believe that somebody in the justice system is actually going to do their job. But the. I'm a let Ms. Barber talk and. And tell you what she said again about new evidence and what have you, and then where we want to go from there. So. Ms. Barbara.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Hi. So I. You know that I played a. I did a video. I couldn't figure out how to do an audio. I am not technologically there, but anyway, so in the video, it's the prosecutor that prosecuted Haley's case said, if we get anything else or if he confesses or if we find a. A professional to say that she couldn't have done this herself, then, you know, we can still try him.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

So.

[Woody Overton]

But I've been thinking about real quick on that. The. And y', all, unless we get a new district attorney elected and we do another call to action and we get them to actually review the case, which I don't believe they did that. I mean, we have no other options right now other than to do their job for them. And at this point, short of beating a confession out of Brooks Clear, which isn't going to happen. The. The expert angle is the. Is the only thing that we can do now. The, if you remember back in the case, if they sent Haley, I don't know why screw up on their part for her autopsy without the information being provided to the pathologist? And the pathologist is only as good as information they're given. They're like a tool in an investigation. And so the pathologist comes back and says it's suicide because she didn't have damage to the back of her tongue and, and all, you know, blah, blah, whatever, it's suicide. Well then the cops and it's in the video. I mean in the audience. We play it in over the series and of course the series, the cops go back and actually give all the information, not all of it, but the information on Brooks Cleary and everything that happened and he changed it from suicide to undetermined. And there, that's this big thing. I think they're hide behind an umbrella. They're hiding underneath for protection as well. And I know this is a fact that we don't want to go to trial for murder and, and lose it because we will be going against our own expert and this is the expert we use in all of our cases.

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[Woody Overton]

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[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Still don't even understand that though, because if it's undetermined, it's just as likely to be homicide as a suicide. So that's not really going against him.

[Woody Overton]

I, I totally, I totally agree with you. But the, that's why I think what your idea about what's next, I mean obviously it's our last shot, but, but I think that it, it can't do anything but help us in the right now in my mind, they are absolutely never going to do anything and they're hiding behind this and they're hiding behind that and well, you know what? I'll let you talk about it. But they, if we do this next step and it comes back in our favor, then, then we will totally do a call to action. We will blow it up. We'll try to get more national media out of. And everything else to bring the heat on them, to make them actually go forward with an indictment. And Ms. Barbara, you correct me wrong and then I'll shut up.

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[Woody Overton]

A grand jury and the grand jury said no, you'd be okay with that? I mean if you wouldn't like it, right, or, or if they took it.

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[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Exactly. But I guess my thing with the grand jury, she said, you know, before that she took it to the grand jury, but I just don't believe that they took all the information to the grand jury. And the grand jury said, now I don't think so.

[Woody Overton]

Nope, I don't either. And the. I've been a part of a thousand grand juries, and they're secret grand juries. There's no court reporter, there's no defense attorney. And they, the prosecution will put on is exactly what they want to go for. And in my very first episode, David and Christina Constance, it was. I had 40 cases of this husband and wife raping kids. And it was a death penalty case. But nobody in Louisiana, except for one person, had ever been tried for death penalty for raping babies. And they, they said they were going to go forward out of Dada. Well, what happened was it's all a bunch of poor families and what have you. And the day before the grand jury that I was supposed to go and have the meeting with the DA about them going for the death penalty. And they never called me. And right outside of the grand jury that morning, they the. The head DA who wasn't even running the case because they knew what I was going to do. The head DA pulling to the side and she said, we're not going to say anything about any aggravated rapes. We're only going for three counts of moles, and you're not to say anything about rape or anything else or what have you. And I went in there and I said rape. I told it because they could make me shut up once I started testifying and I told everything. I thought I was gonna lose my job, but I didn't care. But it goes. What's right is right and what's wrong, what's wrong. But they could absolutely, just like in Haley's case, gone in there and presented a minimal amount of evidence to get an easy indictment, which is what they did. Y', all, he got indicted for concealing or moving the body, I think, and the destruction of police proper, and he got 11 years. It's bullshit. They never, never, they didn't go in there and ask for a murder indictment, but that, but that wouldn't even made double jeopardy if they did. But they, they went in and got the indictment for those charges, and they put him on trial for those charges. They never charged him for the murder of Haley, even though we all know that he did it and they knew he did it go back and listen to it? They said it on all. All the episodes and they. They never did it so well, in.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

That, in the video that I did where she said we could go back, you know, and try them again or whatever, I think it was six or seven times she said, we don't believe this is a suicide. We know this is a murder. And I mean, just over and over, and that's just out of one meeting. They all know it and they all kept saying it.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Right. So let. Let's. Let me. Let's talk about what. What happened since you were contacted and. And you just tell the story.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Okay? So, Mr. Tommy Thompson Cox, thank you so much. But he posted about a story that was very similar to Haley's, and it was on a podcast. And so I listened to the podcast, and in the podcast, a forensic specialist had come in to, you know, help with the case, and that ended up being, I guess, what caused it to go, you know, them to go back and. And everything. So luckily enough, he ended up being in the United States. And so I called him and he said that he was, you know, willing to. To look into Haley's case.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so let's. Let's give us.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Give his name, Scott Roeder, and he's with the evidence room.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, and so you called him and. And how that conversation go? And what did he ask you? And what?

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Well, yeah, kind of like my first conversation with you. Kind of. Well, let me look into it. And, you know, and so I guess after he kind of started looking it up. He was even on the phone with me when he started looking it up. He goes, yeah, this doesn't look like a suicide. And so. But he said what they do, they'll do a recreation and of the scene and the, you know, the murder or the whatever, but they do it, I guess, from the. The bloodshot. I mean, the blood spatter, y', all.

[Woody Overton]

What it is, what it is that. It's called a reconstruction. And they will. They will build a model to scale of the. Of the living room, and they'll have, you know, Haley's height and weight and measurements and Cleary's Brooks stuff. And. And they'll. They'll do tests with the shotgun, the same shotgun. And. And, you know, every. Everything. Everything that you see in the movies or whatever or you hear about on a true crime shows, this guy does. And. And they. They do it from a professional forensic side where they basically, he's the expert that if they gave a damn in Cobb county, they would. They would hire themselves to reconstruct it to prove it one way or another.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, but he said that they also will do, you know, they'll say that they'll decide if it's even possible that she could have done it in that position and with her, you know, size. And then they'll, you know, dec. They'll also come up with what percentage it is likely that she did it or that he did it. So.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

But they, they do a lot of, you know, a lot of different stuff and it's, he tells it so much better than I do. But, but he's, he seems very good. He's, he's working. I think he's done three cases in Australia. And so for them to fly him over there to do their cases, I imagine he must be right.

[Woody Overton]

So the, y' all let me, let me do the Woody part of it. Okay. When Ms. Barbara first told me about it, actually she told Cindy and Cindy told me. I was like, ah, yeah. I'm thinking, is it somebody trying to scam? Yeah, try somebody. You know, what good can come of this? And, and because he wants, you know.

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RLRC no no small amount of money but I get it everybody needs to be paid right and the but the and I'm fear of scammers I'm fear of of this barber getting hurt even more so and what have you but I looked them up and I researched everything from positive reviews to other cases and things that he's done and when you y' all have the links to it and everything else on Friday when this comes out but and you can look for yourself but he even did like the alien case in Las Vegas and in what have you. So he's. I mean, I don't know the guy, but his credentials seem to be beyond reproach. Okay. And I will be the first one to donate money towards the amount that we need to get him to go forward.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah. Thank you. That's.

[Woody Overton]

This.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

You know, this seems like. And I guess because I reached out to him, he didn't reach out to me. You know, I don't feel like he was, you know, trying to scam me.

[Woody Overton]

But the thing is there's nobody and all these lifers from around the world that know and love you and Haley now there's nobody, including the cops and the D. A. There's nobody that looks. This takes an in depth look at this case. Like we did it on real life for a crime. And that doesn't come away matter in hell that Brooks clear isn't in prison for murder because the cops messed some things up. Sure, they did. And they're not going to fix them. They're not going to go higher. This. This professional and his company and his organization to. To do Haley's case. So we got to step up and. And do it ourselves. And then.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, he asked me a question, and so did the D. A. And to this day, I have no idea. Well, why wouldn't we, you know, why. Why wouldn't we try him for murder? Why? I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, well, that's called. And I've said this before, and I'll say it again. DAS and y'. All. Sonia Allen wasn't the D. A at the time, but the ADA Would have brought the conclusion to the D. A which is. You know what this is. We. We probably like a 98 chance we can get him on. On homicide, but we can definitely get him some prison time for moving the body, Haley's body and destruction of police property. They took the easy way out, and that's a fact. And. And it's a matter of court record and everything else, but they never tried him for murder. Now they say, okay, give us an expert. Okay, we're going to do your job for you. Get us an expert that says this. This. Now, look, this guy's not a hired gun. He's not going to say. From what I read, he is not. He. He's debunked some bad. I mean, he's come back on cases and been like, I'm sorry, this. You know, this isn't feasible. Right. To. To.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, To.

[Woody Overton]

So, you know, he's not going to.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Tell me the truth.

[Woody Overton]

That's it. That's it. Then that's what we want is the truth. And man, if, if he could come back and they look, they have, you know, you know, I'm a homicide detective, right? And, and I did what I could do and I'm a podcaster, I did what I could do on that aspect. But he's, he has, and you can research it. We'll give you all the information on it. He has the, the organization, they had the technical training, they had the skills to do this reconstruction from numerous angles. Like Ms. Barbara said, even, even if it's possible that, that she could have put, and I hate to bring it up again but, but to put this long barreled Hun shotgun in her mouth and shoot herself. And in a way, but that would, everything that's on there, y' all from, you know, all the lies and everything, everything's put together. If you, if there is anybody out there that's not what The Coffee County DA's office that goes back and listens to hashtag Just for Haley series and can't come back and say it's murder. That I want to know who you are and I want to know why you say it's not murder. Right? Because. Because it's murder. And it's.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, she told me in that meeting. She's, I said, I said nobody's ever heard the facts of the case and said that it's not murder. And she said, you just won't listen. Barbara.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

And I'm like, no, nobody's ever told me that. Not one person has ever told me that they think it's a suicide.

[Woody Overton]

That's right. And, and the, Yeah, I mean it's just way too much beyond the physical evidence what he did or didn't do and what he said and hadn't said and how his story changed and everything else. I mean even their own top psychologists or psychiatrists came back and said this is, this is a murder. I'm talking about Cobb Counties and, and, but you know what if they want to keep pressing, they wanted an expert, then, you know, we'll get an expert hired and move because you get, you know, hopefully last time this is, you know. Well, you know, what if, if other than you and I being on this earth when they get a new DA in and trying to press it through a new da. But the. So if you would, let's talk, give his name again and give, give what contact information you have as far as. And we'll do it. We'll post on social Media. I don't have it sitting in front of Ms. Barbara.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

The his name is Scott Roeder and his he his company is the evidence room. I'm not sure if it's the or just evidence room. Let me look and see. It's evidence Room animation and exhibits and spell it.

[Woody Overton]

Spell his last name.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Roeder R O D E R. Right.

[Woody Overton]

And I think he was at Was.

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[Woody Overton]

I I went back from the and found him from before he started the evidence room in my research ornament. And the I mean I'm all on board and say let's go. But the what we or Ms. Barbara telling about starting to go fund me and what have you.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah. So I mean it you know it.

[Woody Overton]

Does cost it's that's $10,000 to start.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Well I think that'll be it. I don't think he'll charge me more than that. He said that he would do his part, you know, for free. Just that you know they have the equipment and have to his employees and all that.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Right. And and hopefully he'll be able and I'm sure because this is going out to the world he'll be a man of his word on that. And I'm sure when we get it back and if this goes our way like we believe it's going to go that we can get together and do another episode with him explaining his findings and what have you and put it out to the world and y' all share it all everywhere in the world and then we do a call to action and absolutely make Cobb county. You know who says we can't make national news on it the combined for But I mean none of it none of this is free and in it. And yeah it's he said for he.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Said he normally gets 25,000 to do a case.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And and so he wants 10,000 up front which I understand. And and the y' all you know, when I took on Haley's case, I this my part is paid for by my sponsors. Not they didn't buy my ticket to Atlanta or anything like that, but through my commercials through my pay the I didn't take any money from Ms. Barbara. Right. And and by me being on air the commercials but whatever I would have done a story about I would have had commercial so I took my pay and and used it for expenses. This guy It's a different ball of wax Scott Rotters It's a different ball of wax because he they look yeah. I can tell you I've seen some of these reconstructions where they use the lasers to determine that trajectory of the shotgun blast and everything else. That stuff all costs money and I get it. And, and so $10,000 to get at least to get started. Hopefully that that will be it. Hopefully he will realize. I know it's going to cost more than $10,000, but hopefully he'll realize that the, you know, he could get it back on the back end on publicity when and when, you know, get justice for Haley. Right. And he'll become more worldwide known than he already or renown than he already is. So. All right, so let's talk about. I want to say this and Ms. Barbara, you are, I think you know what I'm going to say. I had and I won't go into the details. I didn't do. I've never done a GoFundMe personally. Well, I almost have to, I must say that. But the thing is I'm not. People use them every day and a lot of great people use them for great reasons in the. And, you know, funeral expenses or whatever it may be. But they, you know, I had a couple bad things that happened and it doesn't matter. It doesn't mean that it's a bad thing, that GoFundMe is a bad thing. It just means I personally had said I would never mess with them again or donate them with again, but you know what I mean, my words on that because I'm backing it 1,000%. But Ms. Barber's going to set up the GoFundMe and we are going to release all the information Friday at 1201am so late Thursday night when this episode drops, Patron Convicts will get it on Wednesday, I think the. Yeah, Wednesday by 1201am we will have. Ms. Barbara, where are you at? In the stages setting that up? Have you looked at it?

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I've got it started. I'm not completely done with it, but I've got it started.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, I mean, see, I was thinking about that before I took my nap today, Ms. Barbara. And you really just need to be Haley's mama on it, right? Because I, the more. But you know, I would do a dissertation on it, but the, the more you can be concise and they can feel your pain and, and, and understand that this is an injustice and this is our last shot that we have to get to go forward. And the more concise you can be in, the better. Right on the GoFundMe. So the. And so you. You're going. And y' all listen to me. This is not Real life, real crime handling or anything. Ms. Barber's going to handle the GoFundMe. She's. She's going to set it up. We will push it out and do the links forward and once we're going to talk about it every single day on every episode that we do on True Crime. Time for the hashtag just for Bradley and AO. Whatever. Anytime I get behind the microphone to that $10,000 goal is met. I'm going to push it. We are going to push it. Cindy and I are going to push it. And I just totally believe that we will come up with the money in a quick amount of time to push this forward.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Thank you so much. Yeah, this is. I feel good about it. I do. I feel like it was kind of fake that Mr. Tommy posted that. That and he was in it and, you know, he agreed to do it. So I just feel like. I feel good about it. So.

[Woody Overton]

Wow, that's. That's good. And, you know, we get. God will always answer your prayers. Maybe not the way that you want. And, and. But the. Out of this. On a positive note, out of this. The. There are people all around the world that love you. I'm talking about you, Barbara, and, and. And Haley and. And it's just so much. And they. They want justice. And maybe this is the way to. To open it up and do it another way. I mean, if he comes back, Skyrotter comes back and says, we did this test. We did this test. Now, look, y', all, this is a test they make up. There's something else I've researched, Barbara, and I didn't tell you on. I actually researched his past court cases, and he's. He's been certified in numerous courts as an expert witness like I have been. And I'm certified in all US Federal courts as an expert witness in law enforcement matters. Well, this is different. He. He's certified as an expert witness, meaning that it's called a Dobert challenge. The. The. The other side. Brooks Cleary side is it. If they use this in trial on the under Dobert challenge, they challenge you as an expert. And they. Look, I spent more time on Sam in federal court getting certified as an expert with the. It was the prosecution and these are friends of mine that didn't want me to be certified as an expert because they knew they didn't want to go against me in any of the cases they're going to be prosecuted in future. So this guy has withstood the Darwin test many times, and he's testified in many different jurisdictions. And there's a whole lot more that never made it to court because, like me, because, because the opposing side is looking at and they're like, oh, here it comes. And you know, so I, I'm like, you, barber. I think this is, this is, this is it. This is the chance. And they, they, you know, these tests come back and we have this expert or it's going to be actually experts because he doesn't do it all by himself. He has a team and it comes back. Then, then we will raise holy hell to get it and push it forward.

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[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Well, surely they, well, they said it. Well, you know what we'll do? We'll get the, the clips of where they say, well, get an expert. Get an expert. Okay, well, we got you the, the best that we could find. And that's another thing I did. I, I looked up other crime scene reconstructionists and stuff, and I really couldn't find anybody that had everything that Scott Roeder's firm offers all in one place. And, and so, I mean, I'm definitely down behind it. Ms. Barbara, y', all is. Is going to handle the money end of it. The GoFundMe, she's setting it up. It'll be done. And when, when we reach our goal and she submits it to him, maybe we'll do an episode with him saying he's taking the case of some barber. I don't know. I'm just thinking out loud. And I want y' all to know that a hundred percent of what you're. You given minus to GoFundMe, whatever, you know, whatever they do. The, the, the, the.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

I think they. Yeah, I think they charge something for doing it.

[Woody Overton]

Well, they, they. That's how they make money. I know they charge something, but, you know, obviously the. They. I mean, that's, you know, a necessary fee too, but what. Everything that you give goes towards this, all right? Whether it's paying the GoFundMe fee to handle it and disperse the funds to Barbara, and Barbara giving Scott Roeder and what. And we'll keep. We'll keep 1,000% clarity and transparency. Let me tell you something else, Barbara. There's so many people that scam the GoFundMe. Things that I've wrestled like, oh, I'm. I'm sick with. And for people like. And you know this unfortunately all too well, people who really have bad diseases and stuff like that, who need the money. And then you got all these assholes out there who do GoFundMes in their line, and they did just to get money.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yeah, yeah, I've heard about that. Some guy, I guess he lost everything. He was a veteran and he lost everything. And some Guy did a GoFundMe, but then he took all the money.

[Woody Overton]

I know. Listen, the one boy, when it happened, I think it was in San Francisco.

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[Woody Overton]

But there were big ones like the one in San Francisco. Prominent man and his wife supposedly broke down or whatever it was, and this homeless man comes out and saves them, and they they did a gofundme for the homeless man and they raised, they ended. I don't think they thought they were raising, you know, the amount of money they thought they were going to raise. And all this money came pouring in and they, they ended up proving that it was scam and they set it up. The homeless guy and say, like, hey, we're going to give you $5,000 or whatever.

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I mean, you know what?

[Woody Overton]

Dumb asses like that exist. But I can assure you Right now it's Ms. Barbara Johnson is not one real life crime is not Woody Overton. Cindy Overton are not going to back this if we, if, if it wasn't legit. And we have to get justice for Haley. So.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Yes, yes. And. And you, you know, I'm sure if. If Scott comes on the show, he'll be able to tell you how much it was, you know.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Yeah, absolutely. We're going to have a thousand percent transparency and, and, you know, it'd be. It'll be what? It'll be, right? And, and so don't worry about that part of it. And, you know, let's get. Let's get. Let's push. We have nothing to lose and everything to gain and can't beat them one way, come back and beat them another way or get them one way on board. One way, come back and do it another way. And you came up with this, Barbara, actually, Tom McLox, thank you so much. And all you lifers have taken Haley into your hearts and Miss Barbara and then into your heart say, you know, thank you so much.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

And even her. Yeah, even if, Even if we never get, you know, the justice just having, you know, all the lifers know Haley and post sunsets for her and know who she is and how good she was. And that matters more than anything.

[Woody Overton]

That's. That's. It truly is amazing. And I know. I know you, y'. All. There's no one on faces or more appreciative than Ms. Barbara and Stella for the love and outpouring. At least we got to tell Haley's story and bring a light to the evil that Brooks Cleary is and a light to the sweetheart that Haley was before she was murdered. And lifers are good people. And Ms. Barbara, you're a great mama and you're a great lady and thank you. Me making everybody wait all those months, that's on me. You know what? Let's do this and let Scott Roeder do it and in the evidence room do it, and then we'll take up the fight.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Thank you so much. Thank you. And this is, you know, this is the Hail Mary. So I think it's gonna go all right.

[Woody Overton]

So when you're listening to this, whether it's on Wednesday, if you're patron of convicts and you're getting it on Wednesday, but the. On Friday, when you're listening to this, Ms. Barbara, you can do the same thing wherever you can post. But we're going to use all our platform. Ms. Barber is going to give us the link to the GoFundMe and we're going to share that everywhere. Y' all share it on your social medias, push it out everywhere, and let's get the funds raised that we need to. To get this case examined by the experts that the supposed law enforcement experts want or in the prosecution. Yeah. So let's do their job for them. But when I get mad about that, I shouldn't be. This is really about getting justice for Haley.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

I know, but it is, you know, it's. She said something in the thing. Well, you didn't have enough money to keep going, you know, with a, with the private detectives. And I'm like, that's not my job.

[Woody Overton]

Exactly.

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[Woody Overton]

But I paid taxes all those years that I lived there. Yeah. So. But you know what?

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[Woody Overton]

The. The, you know, let's do it. Let's do it. And, and Ms. Barber, thank you so much for coming on. And the. Maybe we'll do a weekly update. I hope. Hopefully it won't take long. Y', all, we need. We need $10,000 and, and hopefully it won't take long. And thank you all life for this for, you know, look, if you can give a dollar. A dollar, there's that there's, you know, you can give anonymously. You can put your name on it. It doesn't matter. The. I'm giving an. Honestly. And just so people can't say, oh, well, you're doing this, you know, for whatever. But the, the Cindy and I are going to give anonymously. But you can, you can do whatever you want to go to the GoFundMe and we'll.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Even if you can't.

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[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Podcast Sponsor Announcer]

If you can't.

[Woody Overton]

And then, then, you know, keep it in your prayers and listen to what happens when. When they come back. And I believe they're going to come back giving us everything that we were looking for that we need to get. Hashtag just for Haley. And if you can't give, hey, we totally get it. Totally get it. Just thank you. And when when they come back with the correct findings, if you'll help us push it out. And if you can't give, if you can just share. And the. The. You know, Ms. Barbara, when you talk about it, you talk about the life or say something about the life or on the GoFundMe, and, you know, already did. Okay. I didn't know it. I'm not asking. I'm letting you handle it all because I think it's best coming from Mama Bear.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Right, Right. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And. And, you know, as far as you thinking she was going to do the right thing, I did, too, at first. I think we all did. So don't feel bad about that.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, well, I. I thought the longer it took, the better it was for us, and. But I was wrong. So it is what it is, but I'm gonna stick it down there, throw it another way. Right. And because. Because you. You and Tommy Cox and. And whatever he came up with the idea, you followed through with it. Now we're asking you life for us to please donate a dollar or however much you can, and if not, if you can't, just share it everywhere. And we're going to get this and we'll move forward with Scott Roeder and the evidence frame. Okay?

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Thank you so much.

[Woody Overton]

All right, y', all, the. Ms. Barbara, I love you. And we'll talk to you. Talk to you. Talk to you later. And I'm. Say it. Tell Selling them I said hi. And the. You know, we'll get. We'll get it. Okay.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

All right. Thank you so much. And tell Cindy we love her, too. Thank you.

[Woody Overton]

All right, love you. Bye.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Bye.

[Woody Overton]

All right, y'. All. So really, really, really, really want this. I know in my heart it's. It's a murder. And they won't do their job. So we'll go outside the box and we'll do it for them. Please donate to the GoFundMe. However, if you can. If you can't, just share it. And let's get this worked. They want the experts. They should have hired themselves, but they don't do it. So now we're going to get it done for Ms. Barbara. Okay? And I'm Woody Overton. You host a Real Life, Real Crime the Podcast. Until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you down on murder by you. Peace. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have to write to the attorney prior to and during any question that you can't afford one the quarter point one for you do you understand your rights?

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

When the wolf is at your door you're running so that's for sure.

[Woody Overton]

Already.

[Ms. Barbara Johnson]

Knows all about you Cut you down, no matter by you now you better walk alive.

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