Real Life Real Crime | Justice For Hailey Ep 31

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime | Justice For Hailey Ep 31

Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Host: Woody Overton
Guest: Scott Roeder (Evidence Room)
Air Date: February 18, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, Woody Overton presents the second part of his in-depth interview with forensic expert Scott Roeder of the Evidence Room. They discuss the ongoing independent investigation into the death of Hailey, exploring the forensic evidence, systemic limitations in police investigations, the pursuit of truth over passion, and the importance of maintaining objectivity in the justice process. The episode also highlights the commitment of both men—rooted in personal faith and empathy—toward securing justice for Hailey's family. The conversation gives listeners transparent insight into the forensic review process and the barriers faced in revisiting cases deemed closed.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Status of the Hailey Case & the Evidence Room Investigation

• Scott Roeder’s Role: He and his team are conducting an independent, in-depth forensic reconstruction of Hailey’s death, moving beyond initial police interpretations.
• Financial Transparency: All GoFundMe money raised is going directly to cover the Evidence Room’s significant operating costs (staff time, materials), not for profit. (04:24)
  • “All the money Ms. Barbara's raising is going to the evidence room. ...they want to see justice however it shakes out. But he is unequivocally said, no way. This is anything but a murder.” —Woody Overton (04:24)

2. Blood Alcohol Level & Physical Possibility of Suicide

• Questionable BAC Findings: Hailey’s extremely high blood alcohol content (0.38) is discussed in practical and investigative terms.
  • “As a cop, if you put somebody on a breathalyzer and it hits 3.0, you have to send them to the hospital. ... hers was double mine. I don't even know how you could even talk at that.” —Woody Overton (04:24-07:25)
• Feasibility Experiments: Discussion about reconstructing the event, specifically whether someone of Hailey’s stature could physically manipulate the weapon in the described manner.
  • “Can a person Haley's size even hold up a shotgun that weighs almost eight pounds horizontally? ... There's no way.” —Woody Overton (04:24)

3. Forensic Reconstruction & Small Department Limitations

• Expertise Gaps in Local Police: Many police departments lack in-house forensic experts; this can affect the outcome and quality of investigations.
  • “They don't have an in house reconstructed team ... even the Cleveland Police Department. ... I'm hoping that this will open their eyes a little bit, and they'll independently verify... and factor in the totality of the circumstance.” —Scott Roeder (08:47-09:41)
• Physical Evidence & Scene Analysis: Blood spatter analysis and weapon orientation are central to the new evaluation of what happened.
  • “She had to have been in a somewhat vertical position ... and the gun had to have been horizontal. That I'm 100 sure of.” —Scott Roeder (35:30)

4. Objectivity vs. Emotional Response in Forensics

• Professional Detachment: Both Scott and Woody discuss the necessity of separating personal feelings from professional analysis, even in cases with morally repugnant suspects.
  • “I'm here to tell you... I am not working this case out of hate or out of rage ... I'm working this case based on just what I can prove and what is valid in.” —Scott Roeder (10:35)
  • “Even though I'm dealing with, whether it's career, child rapists or whatever, I'm trying to get the facts ... you're going from a scientific ... work experience.” —Woody Overton (11:31)
• The Role of Faith & Empathy: Both men reflect on how personal faith and empathy inform their work, while being careful not to compromise scientific rigor.
  • “I try to let [Christ] guide my hand and guide my skill to find the truth.” —Scott Roeder (17:18)
  • “But to do what you do, you have to be somewhat empathetic... You're going to let the science speak for itself...” —Woody Overton (18:00)
• Limits of Objectivity: Scott shares that he refuses sexual assault cases because he can’t be impartial due to their emotional toll (19:20).

5. Reconstruction Challenges & Physical Limitations

• Weapon Weight & Human Ability: Detailed discussion about the (im)possibility of Hailey handling a heavy shotgun in such a way that her death could be a suicide.
  • “Imagine that baseball bat is seven and a half pounds ... How are you going to hold that up at seven and a half pounds and you're a five foot tall, female ... with a non dominant hand? ... It’s not happening.” —Scott Roeder (37:03)
• Upcoming Tests: Evidence Room team will use a model of similar stature to Hailey with gel mannequins and video to provide clear evidence in support of their findings (37:43-38:00).
  • “My Mia is five foot tall, 110 pounds. And we're going to be using her as our model in our... reconstruction.” —Scott Roeder (37:43)

6. The Purpose and Impact of the Evidence Room’s Involvement

• Justice, Not Vengeance: Efforts are focused on truth, not framing a suspect or mounting a witch hunt.
  • “It's not a witch hunt. I told Barbara and I've said it on the show before... if Scott Roeder comes back and says, nope, sorry, it is what it is, then we’re OK with that.” —Woody Overton (14:08)
• Broader Mission: Both men hope that their work will give exposure to the need for independent forensic reviews and help other families find justice.
  • “I would like to see that in the end this morphs into the Evidence Room ... your team being able to help more people in the future because they heard about Haley’s case.” —Woody Overton (33:19)

7. Community, Gratitude, and Next Steps

• Thanking Supporters: Both continually express gratitude to listeners and donors supporting the investigation.
  • “I want to thank everybody for that as well ... the money ... goes directly to my employees ... that's so they can, you know, because I can't get my employees to dedicate free time ... they're responsible for the mortgages.” —Scott Roeder (29:46)
• Open Communication: Evidence Room’s contact given for those interested in their work or with tips: evidence-room.net (42:49)
• Team Shoutout: Recognition of Evidence Room’s staff; shoutouts to Via, Megan, and Patrick (43:26).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Objectivity:
  • “I'm not working this case out of hate or out of rage or out of passion. … I'm working this case based on just what I can prove and what is valid.” —Scott Roeder (10:35)
• On Hailey’s BAC:
  • “I blew on the machine and I blew a .014. Look, I was almost black out ... and mine was only at a point 13 or 0.14 and hers was double mine.” —Woody Overton (04:24-07:25)
• On Physical Impossibility:
  • “She had to have been in a somewhat vertical position. … And the gun had to have been horizontal.” —Scott Roeder (35:30)
  • “How are you going to hold that up at seven and a half pounds and you’re a five foot tall, female ... with a non dominant hand? ... It’s not happening.” —Scott Roeder (37:23)
• On Mission & Empathy:
  • “To do what you do, you have to be somewhat empathetic. Right. Meaning that ... you're going to let the science speak for itself ... but you still, you're a human being and you're a Christian.” —Woody Overton (18:00)
• On Broader Impact:
  • “There's a lot of people out there that need justice and a lot of cases out there that are unsolved.” —Scott Roeder (34:13)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|----------------------| | 02:15 | Woody’s disclaimer on episode content and emphasis on first-hand sources | | 04:24 | Fundraising and Evidence Room’s reduced rate for Hailey’s case | | 07:11 | Conversation on Hailey’s BAC and physical realities of heavy drinking | | 08:47 | Limitations of small police departments in forensics | | 10:35 | Handling personal feelings when working cases | | 12:32 | Discussing objectivity, even in defense work | | 15:38 | Staying in the professional lane—focusing on the “how” not the “why” | | 17:18 | Emphasis on justice system and fair trial, not lynching suspects | | 18:00 | On empathy and balancing science with humanity in casework | | 19:20 | Scott on why he refuses sexual assault cases | | 35:30 | Forensic conclusions—Hailey could not have been lying down, weapon must have been horizontal | | 37:03 | Discussion of weight and leverage required for weapon manipulation | | 42:49 | Evidence Room contact info shared | | 43:26 | Shoutouts to Evidence Room team members |

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Final Notes

• Action Request: Woody encourages donations to the GoFundMe for the independent forensic review, emphasizing transparency and accountability (44:00+).
• Next Steps: Ongoing forensic analysis, potential future episodes including a visual/video demonstration of findings. (31:04)
• Legacy: A hope that exposing this case and the evidence process will inspire further independent reviews and assist other families seeking justice.

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This episode provides a raw, detailed look at how independent forensic investigations can make or break a case, especially when systemic limitations exist in law enforcement. Woody and Scott blend compassion, faith, and hard science in a determined pursuit to uncover the truth—no matter where it leads.

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Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people. I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of Real Life Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. Okay, today we're going to be continuing with part two of the interview with Scott Roeder in the evidence room. Y', all, you've heard the first part and we talk about a lot of it over. But you, you lifers, you true crime fans certainly know who Dr. Lee is and Johnny Cochran and and the different things. But because of the length of it and it's mar all week and everything else, I'm I split the episode into two. So what I'm going to do now is, is pick it back up and open it back up so y' all can continue to listen to the. I think it was fascinating, fascinating conversation with a fascinating man in a great team of people from Skyrotor in the evidence room. And look, the GoFundMe for Haley. It's looking it up again now. It's called. You can go to gofundme. It's justice for Haley funding and independent forensic review, y'.

[Scott Roeder]

All.

[Woody Overton]

All the money Ms. Barbara's raising is going to the evidence room. And I can't say that they're doing it free for free, but I can tell you they're not doing it for what they normally charge, Meaning that they understand the situation. They want to see justice however it shakes out. But he is unequivocally said, no way. This is anything but a murder. And. But they have a lot more tests than the end. The jail block, which. Which simulates the. The consistency of the human head. And they're gonna fire the guns through it and different things. Reconstructing. Can a person Haley's size even hold up a shotgun that weighs almost eight pounds horizontally? And she just said, and you can't. I mean, I can tell you that now. I got the. Probably the same shotgun sitting right two feet away from me. There's no way. But anyway, I want to again thank Scott Roer. I want to thank the evidence room. I want to thank all you lifers that have donated. It's really amazing. And I think after you listen to this and people get to have the lifers get to have the human face from Scott in the evidence room on these two episodes. Yeah, we just got to bring it home, people. And we can do this, and I'm gonna do it one way or another, but we really would appreciate your help. And let's get justice for Haley. Okay, without further ado, here's the conclusion of the phone call with Scott Rotter of the Evidence Dream and myself. Like, oh, no, that's not correct. And. And. But let's go back to the. The BAC. The. The BAC. Basically a 3.8 in the state of Louisiana. As a cop, if you hit. If you put somebody on a breathalyzer and it hits 3. 0, you have to send them to the hospital. 4040 is legally dead. The. In the one night, way back when, when I was in uniform patrol 30 years ago, I had. I was off duty, but I had my buddy come pick me up. And because I Wanted to test it, I wanted to see. And I got a case of beer and I slammed them as fast as I could in like an hour and a half. And I went to the police department and I blew on the machine and I blew a.014. Look, I was almost black out and, and I weighed 275 pounds back then. I was a big dude. And, and she, she's a hundred pounds, nothing soaking wet.

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Five feet tall.

[Woody Overton]

Right, right, right. But five feet tall, 120, 130 pounds. I weighed over.

[Sponsor Narrator]

125, 150 pounds more than she did.

[Woody Overton]

And mine was only at a point 13 or 0.14 and hers was double mine. I don't even know how you could even talk at that. Even if you're, I, I, I've dealt.

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With some.

[Scott Roeder]

And it's, I don't know if she could have physically drank that much to get that much to get that, that, that level so high. And I have suspicions that she might have been drugs.

[Woody Overton]

Right, right. Well that, you know, that, that came back one of the detectives recordings we have. And I don't know if I played it or not because it was some gray areas, but the, the detectives, like we were hoping the tox would come back and show for hypnol or, you know, GHB or something that, in her system that, you know, he did that for. Now I understand functioning alcoholics, right. The, I've dealt with people, you take them in and they, they're blowing. Look, they're talking like you and I were talking and they're blowing and they hit that point throughout. I'm like, stop blowing. And we're good. Because I want to have to spend, send a guy to the hospital with them and to sit with him until they got out and what have you. But the, but yeah, you know, I don't know, man. That's, I mean, yeah, I know. They, you know, it's verified. They drank all day. I get that you have to factor.

[Scott Roeder]

That in to the reconstruction itself, you know, and, and that's the other thing about this police department. This isn't the biggest police department in the world. It's not the smallest police department, but it's not the biggest police department.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And they don't have a lot of, even the Cleveland Police Department, Right. They don't have an in house reconstructed team.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

That can do what I do.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And Los Angeles does, Chicago probably does.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Miami probably does.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

But a lot of police departments don't have the experts in house.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

To do blood Spatter analysis on, on every single case that comes through.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

So, you know, they might be limited in their ability to factor in all of it. Maybe some motivation, maybe it's time, maybe it's this, maybe it's that they're not the devil. But I'm not saying that they're evil.

[Sponsor Narrator]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

I'm not saying they're totally incompetent either.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Because, you know, everybody who dedicates their life to a profession, they have to have a level of competency to do their job. I'm saying maybe they didn't have the tools in house to be able to evaluate it in a timely manner. And. But now there's been a lot of time that's passed, and they have had opportunities to look outside of their own expertise and seek the counsel, people like myself, someone civil, situated to give them expertise and opinions that they might not have access to in house. So, you know, I'm hoping that this will open their eyes a little bit and, and they'll independently verify that what we do and factor in the totality of the circumstance. This one thing I want to tell your lifers, your people out there that I'm personally struggling with on this case, and that's to maintain or try to wrangle in my rage and my hate for Brooks.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Because after looking at. After looking at all these videos of the interviews, it's really easy to freaking hate this guy.

[Woody Overton]

I know, right? Yeah.

[Scott Roeder]

And it's okay if you hate him, but I. I'm.

[Woody Overton]

I'm.

[Scott Roeder]

I'm here to tell you guys, tell everybody that I am not working this case out of hate or out of rage or out of passion. Right. I'm working this case based on just what I can prove and what is a valid in. Now, your people can hate them. That's fine. They're not going to testify.

[Sponsor Narrator]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

But I am. But I'm.

[Woody Overton]

I'm.

[Scott Roeder]

I'm calling on my higher power. Right, to make sure that I set aside my personal feelings so that I can be fair.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

If I get called and falsify, I want to say let's. Yeah. Is news behavior disgusting? Yes, it is.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Did that spoil your investigation? I want to be honest and say no, it did not.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Right. And. And, you know, that's a big deal. And I'm just thinking on so many. Yeah. At every case, I guess. Or the. Even though I'm dealing with, whether it's career, child rapists or whatever, I'm trying to get the facts because I know you're in your Right. You're gonna have to testify. Right. But I know at some point I'm gonna be on the stand. They're gonna say, oh, you know, you didn't look at this or you didn't do this and why did you just stick on my clown? Well, because I couldn't get off of them. The evidence was what the evidence was. Do I have to hate any, anything personal against. No, but you're, you're right. The, my fans, they, they all hate him. No doubt about it. But you are going, right? Right. And you go, you're going from a scientific and a, a work history, work experience, you know, 30 years. Are you doing.

[Scott Roeder]

It goes the other way too, Woody. You know, there's been cases where I defended somebody who was accused of murder. And after getting to know that person, I like them.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Scott Roeder]

I, I like this person. And you have to set that aside too. Regardless of if you like somebody, regardless if you hate somebody, you can't. And you know, as a, as a former police officer, you can't let your personal feelings get in the way of the other.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely not. And like I spoke about Gerald Borlan earlier being executed. He raped and murdered and left his stepdaughter on the side of the river naked in the end. But the long story short, this is the nicest guy in the world. I mean, he's just absolutely. But he told me, he said, unequivocally, he said, he said, what if they let me out, I'm gonna do it again. And, but he was clean cut, good looking guy, and they had him in the, the, the suicide cell right there across from the booking room. Every time I come in, he's got.

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His face out the trap door.

[Woody Overton]

Hey, how you doing this evening, Mr. Woody? I'm like, I'm good, Gerald. Yeah, the, the right. Oh, he definitely a sociopath. But the, the Brooks Cleary thing, but it'll be more important is to get the gift that keeps on giving, which is him doing life in prison or him doing taking X amount more years in the 10 or 11 that he got. But we're not trying. It's not a witch hunt. I told Barbara and I've said it on the show before, look, you know what if it comes back and if Scott Rotter comes back and says, nope, sorry, it is what it is, then we're, we're okay with that.

[Sponsor Narrator]

Right?

[Woody Overton]

It's not the, we're not trying to make it a witch hunt where we're going to make again, make the round square fit in or make the Square fit into a round hole or beat it through. But that's not what it's about. It's about true. Just true justice. And. And I think the. From what I researched, you dedicated your life and your career to that. And I understand that because when I got out of law enforcement, I, you know, I did defense consulting for. And I still do it for some lawyers. But the. And it's about that I'm not going in there to sell myself to, you know, just my reputation to try to get these people a better deal. I'm going to tell you how the cow eat the cabbage. And then there's a lot of times I go in and do these things and. And of course, it's, you know, strictly confidential with the lawyer or. Or being the client, and I just tell the client, well, I'm gonna just tell you, tell the Lord, whatever you want. The. But, you know, you. You and I are done.

[Sponsor Narrator]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And I'm not mad at you. You did what you did. You know, the best of people make poor mistakes. And. And Brooks and in. In Haley, they're both young and, you know, in that stage of life and. And everything else. And when you think, oh, my God, that she's putting me out and it's going to destroy my life or whatever it may be, whatever the thought process was, I don't know. But the.

[Scott Roeder]

Yeah, well, I try to stay in my lane, you know.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And a lot of people ask me, like, well, why. And. And all this. Well, I don't do. Why I stick in my. My lane is how.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

How did it happen?

[Woody Overton]

That's right.

[Scott Roeder]

So. And that there's no. There's no passion in how.

[Sponsor Narrator]

Right, right.

[Scott Roeder]

Because how can be mapped out. There's no. There's no passion in math, and this is all math and geometry and physics and. And how blood works and how bullets work and how guns work and can you reach? Can't you reach? And. And I want to also say that, you know, Brooks deserves a fair legal defense. I'm not trying absolutely to bury him in a podcast or anything like that.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Everybody is innocent until proven guilty by the court of law. And I believe that we're going to have evidence that will be, in my opinion, my professional, expert opinion, to a degree of scientific certainty. We're not there yet. We're. We're close, but we're not there yet. Close isn't good enough when somebody's life is on the line.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Scott Roeder]

That's why we're asking for more help to finish our reconstruction, to do the physical reconstruction, to put it all together in a neat package with an expert report so that we can submit it. And then, and then my hope is that they can get charges, they get an indictment and can go to trial. And Brooks deserves a good defense attorney. They deserve an expert witness that will try to cross examine our conclusions and, and then it's up to the jury to decide guilt or innocence. And that's the justice system we live in. We don't live in a place where we lynch people.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Or that we do anything like that. So, you know, my goal is to put forth the justice system as best as I can, play my small role in it. And you know, I think you do a great job with your show and helping out victims like Father. And you know, she's a beautiful lady and just real kind and gentle and she's so happy with the support that she's getting. You know, I try to pray with her and give her some, some guidance and, and you know, because, you know, I'm a man of faith. My Lord and savior is Jesus Christ and mine too. I try to let him guide my hand and guide my skill to find the truth. And I just hope and pray that I can, you know, continue to do that.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Well, you know what, it's fantastic. And we could be twin brothers, right? On the same thing. As far as, as my Lord Jesus. I wrote a book called Jesus Help Me. It's what happened when I died on. On the table in 2009. But the, but that. Ms. Barbara. Oh, Lord. The, the. And that family and, and Stella and, and Tyler and, and you know, and it's just so heartbreaking this. And it's not anything I haven't seen a hundred other times, but I guess to do it, and I didn't know this till a couple years ago, to do what I do and to do what you do, even though you're doing it. I do try to do it from evidence and get confessions, whatever standpoint. But to do what you do, you have to be somewhat empathetic. Right. Meaning that the. Yes. You're going to let the science speak for itself. Your, your combination of the science and your experience in everything that you do and have done, like putting together the pieces of the puzzle. But you still, like you said, you're a human being and you're a Christian and you know that.

[Scott Roeder]

Yeah. And there's a big reason that I don't. There's only one type of case that I will not consult on and that's a sexual assault crime.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Because I don't feel like I can be fair.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And it wants my heart, it hurts my soul too much. I can't put it in my brain and be fair with it. So that's the only kind of case I won't do. It's a sexual crime. Every other kind of case I've done from, you know, from a bank robbery to a police shooting to self defense to stabbings and death penalty cases and, and all of it, but, you know, so, you know, but there is a guy, I have a North Star, and I let that North Star help me decide what cases I'm going to let my skill be applied to.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. And I do the same thing. And, and like the two I'm working now out of Vernon Parish, both of them were what I call high risk victims. And, but I get all these case requests every day and look, some of them are lily white, church going and would, could make great, you know, publicity and all that if it was about that for me. But like Ms. Barbara's case, she just, you know, reached out, reach down and I said, you know what, just send me, send me what you have and just let me look at, I promise you I'll look at it. I'll tell you what I think it's not about the podcast or whatever. And then it came in and I was just led to do it. Like the ones I'm doing now, they're probably the, the worst victims. Not, not worse victims. The, the, because of the, the, the drugs and the, even some prostitution and the, the lifestyles they led, they don't get the attention. And I know that the cops have other cases going on and, and what have you, but the, I've just was led and, and even another one which I solved on the podcast, I was like, I'm not doing anymore. I'm not doing anymore. Takes too much out of me. And then people kept hitting me up about Mary Pusho's case. And finally one of my dear friends, I call her my mom, she used to be the matron in one of the jails. And she said, will you just at least talk to the sister? And I got on the phone with the sister and then she said, I have pictures from the funeral home that they don't know that we have. And I said, well, send it to me. And, and I looked at it and I got said, let me call you back. And then my wife said, how can you not use your skills and the, the platform God's given you to not take this on? And, and we, we solved it. And then the husband took a 60 year plea. But the side I get that I totally I oh it's this episode is.

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[Scott Roeder]

And that's why, you know, I wasn't always. You know, I wasn't always a man, Faith.

[Woody Overton]

Me either. Yeah.

[Scott Roeder]

As I came through my career, I started seeing the effects of all of the murder and all the crime and all the stuff deteriorating. My. My whole person, right. I became desensitized.

[Woody Overton]

I'm buried.

[Scott Roeder]

And it was. And that. And it was at a point where I was at a breaking point in my own life. I lost my wife 10 years ago to a medical situation. And then I went through a period of my life where, you know, I didn't even know what the hell I was doing anymore. You had all the cases add up and all that stuff. And then I found Jesus about five years ago. Four or five years ago. And. And. And my work has improved, my health has improved, my relationship with all the people in my life have improved.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And I. I just give thanks to. To Jesus Christ, because without him, I'm nothing.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Scott Roeder]

And he guides all of my skill and tells me what cases to take and what cases not to take.

[Woody Overton]

And, yeah, I call it getting imprints since 2009. I'm gonna send you a copy of my thing. It's real short, so you can read it. But the. I call it getting imprints. I literally can, like, feel a pressure on the side of my head, and it's him saying, just shoving me this way or that away. And I know that sounds crazy, but it's the truth. No, it doesn't sound crazy.

[Scott Roeder]

Not at all.

[Woody Overton]

But the. All right, so. And again, I'll split this in two parts. Scott. And then. So they're not that long, but I just want to touch back on it again. And I will send you everything, so you'll have. First of all, I want to tell y' all thank you. And. And I know you. I know you don't have all the money. I can promise you, if I got to pay it myself, that. That you'll get it okay. But, but the lifers are so vehemently involved in. They've donated X amount of what have you so far. But it came right.

[Scott Roeder]

I want to thank everybody for that as well because the money that's being spent is not going for eat pops for profit. I have five full time employees that are all very skillful people that work with me on every aspect of this case and the money that we're getting on this case goes directly to my employees. That's so that they can, you know, because I can't get my employees to dedicate free time absolutely responsible for the mortgages.

[Woody Overton]

They got families and everything else. Absolutely, absolutely. So I, I've said that in the past couple weeks, Scott, that The, you know, Ms. Barbara said that the, the thing being is this is not free. Okay. And your employees have lives. They have families and mouths they have to feed and you know, house notes like you said, mortgages and vehicle notes and what have you. But thing is this, it's not like you're, you're trying to get rich off of this. It's, it's about man, I didn't get.

[Scott Roeder]

This job to be wealthy.

[Woody Overton]

Right. I understand that. And then the, but the Will you tell your team that I said thank you and in the end we're going to do something and we'll talk again. But the, and I'll have all the life or show you come back on.

[Scott Roeder]

When we're done with the full reconstruction for real. And maybe we can even do a video.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely. Oh yeah. Next.

[Scott Roeder]

Where we could display all of the videos of all the reconstruction, everything that we've done so we can see where their hard money went and that this is evidence that solid based in fact.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

That has foundation. The interrelationships of the evidence is solid.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

The conclusions are expert in nature and that should put the pressure on and hopefully cannot be ignored.

[Woody Overton]

Right. I agree. Hey, and you're in Cleveland still. Right. All right. So the, this is going to progress and I, I have a really good imprint that you know, it's going to progress. At least we're going to fight the fight all the way through. But when it goes through, like, like I believe it's going to go through the because I, I, I believe this. I believe Cobb county wants to do the correct thing. And then again it's just getting past make, you know, admitting your own mistakes which we, yeah. At that point, if you're moving forward.

[Scott Roeder]

There'S some bureaucracy that is set in to protect itself.

[Woody Overton]

Right? That's correct. That's Correct. But the at some point I'd like to come up to. To Cleveland and sit down later on I'm putting the car before the horse again but in and you know I could bring the recording equipment. We'll sit down and talk with your people and. And. But what I want to do for the evidence room and Scott Roeder and your employees is all these. I mean I was thinking about this other day Scott all these cases and so many people just want to be heard but they. There's no reason and look some of them are valid and. And I get that I just don't have the time. I can't work every case with the. But the hopefully that I mean I know you're look y' all and I've told you about some of Scott's cases in the past and what have you just go look them up. Evidence room the I know you're already famous now. I'm famous from the standpoint of being great at what you do. Like, you know, you go to Australia and do cases. You do. You did the Las Vegas case, Alien case, which I really find that to be super interesting by the way. But the I want y' all to be blessed back off of what you're given. Like when. When I do my praying every night I always end with please continue to rain down blessings upon me such I won't be able to count and I promise to bless other people and it may not always be financially it may be be using the platform and maybe given taking the time and. And listening to a mama or whatever however it may come. But I would like the whole world our listener base. The I guarantee that that my. I can guarantee. I. I would like to see that in the end this morphs into the evidence room Skyrotor and your team being able to even help more people in the future because they heard about Haley's case.

[Scott Roeder]

You know, that'd be great because you know there's a lot of people out there that need justice and a lot of cases out there that are unsolved.

[Woody Overton]

Crazy, you know, and we're.

[Scott Roeder]

We're. Daddy, I'm at a time of my career. I'm not slowing down any faster. Right. So you know, once we're done with this case, we're happy to look at other cases as well.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Take on about right now our case log is about 15 cases at a time and we kind of shell them, put them in a queue and based on deadlines, a court ordered, you know, depositions and trial testimony, things get pushed from the top Based on deadlines and so.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

So when we take on about 15 cases at a time and kind of juggle them until we filter them out and once we finish the case, we're able to take on another one. Yeah, we're here to help people and there's a lot of time left to help and, and we're here to help anybody that needs it.

[Woody Overton]

That's awesome. And y' all are doing a great job and, and I appreciate you so much. One more time. Just because I'm very visual inside of my head. The, the what you have so far. And then. Yeah, you explained a lot of it already today. What you have so far. She couldn't have been laying down.

[Scott Roeder]

That's right. 100%. She had her been in a somewhat vertical position. Now we're still hammering down the different variations of that semi vertical position. Whether she could have possibly been kneeling on the couch. She could have been standing in front of the couch. She's definitely not laying down. But you know. And the gun had to have been horizontal. That I'm 100 sure of.

[Woody Overton]

That's crazy.

[Scott Roeder]

The nature of her injury and the blood spatter is that the gun had to be horizontal. There's a lot of factors to that. I think 10 factors go to prove that the gun had to be horizontal.

[Woody Overton]

My little studio, my wife says if I don't kill a catcher cleaner, we don't eat it. I process all my own meat and everything else. I'm a big hunter right outside of my studio in an enclosed room. I have probably 20 different guns. And matter of fact, I got a bunch of guys coming up tomorrow from, from Marty G.R. to squirrel hunt. We're going to cook. But the I, I, I could pick up the same. I don't think I can hold. I have a 28 inch shotgun out there, semi automatic. How am I going to hold that up horizontally? Now I could lean over and do it if it pull up its toes or do whatever, but turn that shotgun around and hold it up. And I'm a 6 foot 2 and hold it up and at such an angle that would be horizontal and pull the trigger. I just can't see it happen.

[Scott Roeder]

I'm a baseball player, baseball player. Baseball bat weight. The one that I use weighs about 33 ounces and about 33 inches long.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

And you try to hold that baseball bat up at eye level, at shoulder level. You can't hold it up there for that long. Right, Right. Imagine that baseball bat is seven and a half pounds.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

How are you going to hold that. How are you going to hold that up at seven and a half pounds and Europe five foot tall, female.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

With a non dominant hand.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Yeah.

[Scott Roeder]

Holding that 7 1/2 pound weapon up. It's not. It's not happening.

[Woody Overton]

I just can't do it. And.

[Scott Roeder]

And that's part of our physical experimentation that we're doing too.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

My desire. Mia is five foot tall, 110 pounds. And we're going to be using her as our model in our. In our. In our reconstruction. And, and, and I think the video of us working with her doing the gel mannequin duplicating the blood spatter.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

Duplicating body position. That's gonna what that plus the final reconstruction is what. And the, and the report's gonna bring it over the line. So. Yeah. Think about that. Holding up a 7 and a half pound weapon with your non dominant hand perfectly horizontal.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. It's almost physically impossible. I don't even think that I could do it. The, the. And much less like you said, a person who's a foot and two inches smaller. Me and a whole lot lighter. Yeah. And the three zero or Come on. So anyway. And then again real quick going back to what the pathologist told them. The Texas and I had this on recordings.

[Poetic Voice / Introductory Voice]

The.

[Woody Overton]

That you know, in all the cases he's worked. But remember he didn't have a detective to give him all the. The history of what Brooks was. Did that day or. Or didn't do in the past relationship. But in all the cases he worked it's less than 1% that have ever not had the damage or what. However he explained it. But I'm like you know what the cold cases. There's over a hundred thousand United States and less than 1% ever get solved. So but that, that 1% can happen. But then they, but they were looking at it from a different thing. The, the, the pathologist didn't have the blood spatter on the wall and, and.

[Scott Roeder]

And the pathologist would have had the photographs of the blood spatter on the wall and the fact that it was a seven and a half pound weapon.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Scott Roeder]

I don't think that the pathologist would have ever said that this was a suicide. Right.

[Woody Overton]

From the g. You're. You're absolutely correct, Ben. And, and y' all are amazing. Thank you so much for taking. I, I know you're super busy for taking your time out today and the. Please tell your people, you know lifers, I don't care who you pray to or who you don't y' all know what I believe, but y' all put them in your thoughts and prayers and, and, and that God or whatever deity you pray to, it continues to guide them and, and show them the way. And you know, I just, I can't thank y' all enough, brother. It means, it means the world. And I think this, it's my pleasure.

[Scott Roeder]

It's my job. You know, for one, it's my job too. It's, it's, it's an honor to be, you know, trusted with very sensitive and important information and cases and, and you know, you know, we asked. I'll take every prayer and every good wish from anybody, anywhere because, you know, it takes a lot of constitution to, to get these things done. And, and we appreciate all the support that we get from everybody.

[Woody Overton]

Well, the, you know, this is my personal number in 24 7. You can call and if y' all are, you know, ever need anything and if I don't answer, just leave me a voicemail. Because my life is a series of short naps. I sleep like maybe four hours a night at, at most. And, and they'll go to bed at 3:30 in the morning. That's when I do my best thinking. Right. But, but thank you so much. And, and I believe this is going to be the, the beginning of what Aria, as the beginning is something really special. But I believe I clearly see myself coming to Cleveland at some point and sitting down and, and, and doing a full blown thing for y'. All. Okay. And, and. All right, man. All right, well, thank you so much. And any, any final thoughts or.

[Scott Roeder]

No, just, you know, we're gonna get, get, get to work and you know, we'll keep you updated as, as things develop.

[Woody Overton]

All right, brother, I appreciate it again, tell your team thank you. And, and I know, I know I was out of town. It was my birthday week and the anniversary week for life, real crime and everything else. My wife and I were out of town and Barbara, you know, Ms. Barbara Haley's mom, y' all called in in the. I wasn't going to answer, but then she texted, she said, she said, you know, I have, it's very important, but she does that. She knows I'm g. Call back. And then she shared with me your, you know, preliminary stuff and then she continued to do over the next couple days. I was like, thank you, Jesus. Right, but finally we're, we're headed in the right direction. But thank you again. Go ahead.

[Scott Roeder]

Pleasure to talk to you, Woody, and appreciate everybody in your audience and we'll be in touch.

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[Woody Overton]

Hey, do you have any. Let me do this real quick. The. If a website or email, if people want to reach out and just give y' all a shout out or. Or what have you how to. How they contact.

[Scott Roeder]

Yeah, yeah, sure. If anybody wants to find out a little bit more about our work, you can find us on our website, evidence-room.net and we have a form. If you wanted to reach out to us for any other reason, we have a form on the website that you can fill out and go directly to me. But evidence-room.net is our website and you can find out all about us and see all of our case samples. And most of our work that we've fully adjudicated is online there.

[Woody Overton]

Right, Excellent. And one last thing. You don't have to say their last names. Can we give your team members a shout out?

[Scott Roeder]

Absolutely. Shout out to. Via Megan and Patrick.

[Woody Overton]

All right, well, thank y'. All. Via Megan and Patrick. And thank you, Scott. Rotor. Really, really do appreciate you. And. And we'll speak soon.

[Scott Roeder]

Okay, thank you.

[Woody Overton]

All right, brother, thank you.

[Scott Roeder]

Bye.

[Woody Overton]

So there you hear it, y', all, and this is why we've got to come up. I think it's less than 5,000. Let me check it and see. I think we were like 5,600, but that was a couple days ago and I hadn't checked recently on the money is $10,000, y'.

[Poetic Voice / Introductory Voice]

All.

[Woody Overton]

He's not making a penny off of this. He has to play pay for his expenses and his employees and what have you. But the. The. It's nothing. That's it. I guarantee he charges agencies a whole lot more, but they have budgets for it. Ms. Barbara is on the limited, very limited budget. And it's, you know, it's not. It's not something that's free. But you know what? It's not something that's easy and it's absolutely worth having. Okay? As right now we're at $5,931 raised out of the 10,000. This.

[Poetic Voice / Introductory Voice]

The.

[Woody Overton]

You can go in there and be anonymous. You can go on there if you can give a dollar five dollars. Whatever you can do. Ms. Barbara is in control of the funds, but she's already sent the Scott and evidence Room the. I think the first 5,000 or whatever. And look, they're Johnny on the spot. They're running it through the. I mean, not. Not to a bad side of running through. But I was like, holy smokes.

[Sponsor Narrator]

They.

[Woody Overton]

They just got this. And he is saying, I didn't know y' all the whole Time I thought she must have been laying down and. But it. He has scientific proof that the. From. Because of the blood spatter and where the. The intactness of the brain etc and they're just getting started. Scientific proof that she was standing up. Remember her blood alcohol was way out the box and she's a little tiny thing and holding up an almost eight pound shotgun horizontally and shooting yourself didn't happen. And we need to bring this home. We need. And I'm gonna get it to him one way or another that the. The. If y' all could donate something, you can go to gofundme. It's called justice for Haley funding and independent forensic review. There will be and Ms. Barbara tells a bit of the story on there. If you want to just go read it and just share it. Even if you can't donate, please just share it and. And it'll touch someone. I believe this. I believe in doing this. I've never done a GoFundMe before because I, you know, had had some bad stores that other people had done them. But this is different. I know. Ms. Barbara, I vouch for a stand for a thousand percent and Skyrotor. Wow. I mean, come on, man. Johnny Cochran, Dr. Lee, they just go look him up that and go to his website. But I didn't know I did go to his website, but I. I looked up a chat GPT then and I. I did reviews and. And everything else and they're legit, y'. All. And you heard him. You know, it's just a really special thing and this is a fight that we need to fight and we need to see it through, you know. And. And seeing it through means raising the rest of this money. So it's goto gofundme justice for Haley funding an independent forensic review or go to any of your social media. It's tagged the top of most for social media. And as this goes on the I will release the the. And look, I've got the animations y' all the of. Of how they. The evidence from Skyrotor showed the how the purse the only way with the blood spatter and you know, where the brain is etc. The. The only way it could have happened. Eminem. It's got a blue dummy representing Brooks Cleary and a pink one represent Haley in a reconstruction of the apartment and where she had to be standing at the time she was shot. So the. The. But she's got to get in there. Y' all help out please, if you can. And then yeah, this is good justice for Haley. Everybody. Deserves justice. And, and look, every case is different. This is not Bradley Strayston still missing or Ms. Barbara Blunt still missing. This is, this is a beautiful, beautiful young lady who was no doubt in my mind she was murdered. But you know, and Ms. Barbara and, and Stella who is her sister, they deserve justice. And I don't know. I'm Woody Overton, you host a Real Life Real Crime the podcast until next time forever. Don't let me catch you down on murder by you peace. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to it during any question. If you can't afford one, the court appoint one for you. Do you understand your rights?

[Poetic Voice / Introductory Voice]

And the wolf is at your door you running over that's for sure.

[Woody Overton]

Already.

[Poetic Voice / Introductory Voice]

Knows all about you cut you down no matter by you now you better watch the I feel I feel.

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