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Woody Overton
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to or during any question. If you can't afford one, the court of appoint one for you. Do you understand and your rights.
Morgan Baggott
When.
Woody Overton
The W is at your floor your running's over, that's for sure. Already knows all about you.
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Cut you.
Woody Overton
Down no matter by you now you better walk. Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people. I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. And today, continuing justicefor Bradley. Hashtag justice for AO Austin Abanion and God knows how many other people over there in burning Parish. And I have Ms. Morgan Baggott on the phone with me.
Morgan Baggott
Morgan, Hello, Woody. And hello.
Woody Overton
Right, so here's. Here's the deal. Last week being a Labor Day, then, you know, we didn't drop the episode. But actually that was by design and on purpose for a multitude of reasons. One, let the pot stir, right? And it did not stop my phone. And Morgan and I have not talked about this. It did not stop my phone from going off the entire. Including 12:30 last night. I think 12:30 was the last call I got last night. The, you know, is constantly. The tips are rolling in. Shit's melting and burning Parish. We've done some things to, you know, stir the pot that I may talk about on this episode or may not, but justice, I tell you this. The let the murderers and have enjoyed their last Labor Day outside the wire, meaning not in person. How about that?
Morgan Baggott
How about that? Because that's something you told me. Oh, my Lord.
Woody Overton
Yeah. So the. But the. The deal being is, you know, not a lot of people, but some idiots. Some idiots are like, oh, oh, I wish he was just solved the case already. And I'm like, I wish I had your sheriff's office and wish I had everything that they had. And they. They're getting paid to do it, and that's their jobs and whatever. Right. They hadn't solid. It'd be. In two months, it'll be six years. Right, Morgan?
Morgan Baggott
Yes, sir, that's correct. October 30th.
Woody Overton
Right. So. So a little less than two months. September, October, it will be six years. They had Bradley's case and y' all know because we told you the story and Morgan's been the biggest advocate, but now the world knows how to, you know, she was on board with Vernon Parish Sheriff's office Detective Vance, and now they flipped the script from working as a homicide to saying there's no foul play involved. Right?
Morgan Baggott
Bullshit.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, let's talk about that. I wasn't even going to start with this, but let's. Let's start with a little something that we did because I guarantee you Vernon Perry sheriff's office already knows. And so one of the things I did y' all this last week. On Monday, I had my attorney file something with the sheriff's office. I'm pulling it up to read to you. Morgan. Hold on one second. The.
Morgan Baggott
I told some people about like I was like, I. I know something, but I don't know everything. And so you're literally about to tell me and everybody about it for the first time together.
Woody Overton
So there's comes a point in any. Let me see if I can pull this up right. Hold on. I have the wrong second. There comes a point in any investigation where that things are certainly not slowed at all. But you. You're running 100 miles an hour in different directions. And that's exactly what's happening in this case. But one of the things I found out was that is being messed with. And I can prove this literally. That meaning people are being messed with. Hold on. I'm trying to. I'm trying to pull up my attorney. Hold one second. People are being messed with. And meaning not only potential witnesses. The end. But people that actually work at the Vernon Parish Sheriff's Office have been messed with. And to what extent? Ah, we're going to find out. And now what we were told. I was told numerous times since the beginning when we first started. Morgan. And you chime in whenever you want to. The. We know that Sam Kraft issued a gag order to his employees. If you talk about this case, you're fired. Get it? Can you hear me?
Morgan Baggott
Yes, sir, I can. Can you hear me?
Woody Overton
Yeah, go ahead. The. You heard that also?
Morgan Baggott
Yeah. Gag gag order came pretty early on.
Woody Overton
Right.
Morgan Baggott
Thank you.
Woody Overton
Go ahead. That. That's. That's pretty standard. My sheriff would have done it back in the day. Probably not. But the. The sheriff is the king, right over his employees. And look, you know, 99% of those people need their jobs and I get it, but. So this shit hot or I called it an ape. And acute political emergency case comes out and they're like nobody talks whatsoever at all. First of all, you're hoping it's just gonna blow over. Secondly, you're hoping this person is starting all. Stirring all this up. It doesn't. They. They can be invalidated or they can be made to go away. However it may be right. You know, hacking all my. And death threats and what I'm not saying burning Parish Sheriff's office did that, but they. They're hoping I would go away. They're really praying last week as a sign that Woody Overton went away. Well, guess what is only a sign that I was amping Things up. The gag order. You know, you call office meeting or you tell office supervisors. Tell your people if they mention anything to anyone about Bradley Stracer or Austin Abanion, they're fired. All right, well, guess what, Sheriff's office, You're an at will employee. Meaning that they could fire you for. They don't have to have a reason. They could fire you for not liking the way you parted your hair that day, okay? So much less violating the gag order they give you. Now, a gag order is one thing. I get it. The. The. But then I started hearing different things, and you started hearing different things also. Morgan, tell them what. Without mentioning names or whatever, tell them what it is that you heard. And then. And we'll talk about how I hadn't even told you that I'd been hearing the same thing yet. And we'll talk about when you asked me what such and such meant. I already knew there had to be some teeth to this, but go ahead. You tell me.
Morgan Baggott
Well, I'm. Unbeknownst to me, you had been hearing the same thing, but from multiple sources. And like you said, without saying who, I had started hearing about something called an NDA. And when I first mentioned it to you, you basically said, I need to know who, what, when, where, specifics right now. Because, you know, this could literally be national news.
Woody Overton
Yeah, right. So when she told me that, I had actually heard that. An NDA, y', all, that stands for Non Disclosure agreement. That is a leg document that's written up by a lawyer, and you have to, nine times out of 10, somebody's getting paid to sign an NDA, right? So you sue. Let's say a football player sues the New Orleans Saints for whatever. And the Saints know that they're kind of in the wrong, but they just really want to go away, but they don't ever want you to talk about it and bring it to the public to harm their image. Right? So a non Disclosure agreement, they would be worded in there. You can never say anything about. About this. If you do, you know, you will. You will be sued or whatever it may say. I don't know what this proposed NDA would say, but I would expect it would be something along the lines of, if you talk about Bradley Strasner, Austin o', Banion, then. Now, this is a black and white from a lawyer, all right? It's a legal, legal binding document. Then we can sue you. I don't think they're going to sue any of their employees, because they're not making that much Money anyway, but you'll be immediately terminated and you've been warren, blah, blah, blah, do it. Do. What I was trying to find out and you didn't know about was. And I didn't think it would be a sheriff's office wide issue. I mean they're not going to get everybody in the world to sign an NDA. Basically it's kind of forcing you to sign the NDA because they know you need your job and. But you know, if you don't plan on doing anything that's against the NDA anyway, you're going to sign it, right? Like fuck. Yeah, I'll sign that. I can just keep my mouth shut. I don't have to say anything. And. But the, you know, if you're signing that and you know something that is detrimental to the sheriff's office and you've been presented with a legal NDA non disclosure agreement and saying, you sign this, you're granted X, Y and Z in these terms if you violate them. This is the recourse action we have against you, whether it's civil or firing you or both. The combination of. I don't know what it says. The. The. Huh.
Morgan Baggott
Do they have a choice? Or, or is it like a requirement?
Woody Overton
Well, that. That is a, that is a great question. Right. See Sheriff's office. The, you know, you can refuse to sign it and guess what they can fire you for. You didn't have your shoe tied. They don't have to say they're firing you for not signing an NDA, a non disclosure agreement. You understand what I'm saying? It's kind of. It's as catch 22. If you, you sign the document, we got you. If you don't sign it, you know, we got you. You see what I'm saying?
Morgan Baggott
Yeah.
Woody Overton
Lose.
Morgan Baggott
Lose situation.
Woody Overton
Yeah. Anyway, so the. Without saying names or whatever or giving away any specifics that would give it away. Tell me about the. You. You started to look into it. Tell me about what you found out about NDAs or, or them being presented, what have you.
Morgan Baggott
Well, I googled it right away and I was talking about it with a family member and I was like, this feels just huge, like destrino. Like something about it is just so bad and so awful. I started asking more questions to the people, multiple sources, multiple sources who was telling me about it. And I asked specific questions like did only a small circle have to sign it or was it everyone? And so word got back to me that it was everyone. Like as in the entire. Every person employed with Vernon Parish Sheriff's department or office had to or was asked to sign an NDA. Very specific to the case that we harp on all the time.
Woody Overton
Yeah. And I, I found that hard to believe. I don't believe. If I was a sheriff, I wouldn't be, believe I'd be dumb enough to make everybody sign it because you can give the gag order, right? But if you make everybody sign it, you know, people come and go at the sheriff's office, like Walmart employees. They, they, you know, then they're, you get fired or if something happens or whatever, then you can run out and say, oh, they forced me to sign an NDA. You know, so I was questioning on that end. But what, what I was not questioning when you hit me up and you said they are saying they are being forced to sign an. Or made to sign an NDA. What is an NDA? I already knew what the fuck it was. I was like, holy. And, and I had heard, but I wasn't able to verify yet. Right. NDA. You can't. A general person doesn't know like you did. Right? A general person doesn't know what an NDA stands for. All right. I've lived through them. I've dealt with them throughout my career, not in law enforcement and other areas. And so I immediately knew what it was. But go ahead. Did you know there's an online cannabis company that ships federally legal THC right to your door? And they found a way to combine THC with carefully selected functional ingredients to target nearly every mood and health concern you could think of. I'm talking about Mood.com's incredible line of functional gummies. And, and you can get 20% off your first order at mood.com with promo code RLRC. Forget one size fits all supplements that only get you high. Mood functional gummies are optimized to kick in as little as 15 minutes and take you to the mood you're looking for. Whether that's mind magic gummies for deep work and creativity, PMS support to ease cramps and balance mood swings, or their sexual euphorial gummies to help you feel ready for action and turn every touch into a full body experience. Experience. Now, for me personally, I really like their sleep gummies. Every now and then after a long day or a late night recording, I can't seem to turn my brain off. Those sleep gummies help me settle down and finally get some good solid rest. And Cindy, she actually takes them every single night and swears by them to get that deep restful sleep she needs to tackle all the editing and producing she does every day. Listen, you can find gummies to just get you high pretty much anywhere these days. But Mood's functional gummies combine premium federally legal THC with targeted botanicals to help you get into the perfect mood, usually in as little as 15 minutes. And everything ships discreetly right to your door. No dispensary lines, no awkward conversations, just better days and nights delivered to your doorstep. Best of all, not only is every Mood product backed by 100 day satisfaction guarantee, but as I mentioned, listeners get 20% off their first order with code RLRC. So head to mood.com, find the functional gummy that matches exactly what you're looking for, and let Mood help you discover your perfect mood. Don't forget to use code RLRC when you check out to save 20% on your first order.
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Morgan Baggott
Long, long before the NDA was ever mentioned to me, I, somebody reached out to me who works. We'll just say on, on the strip of downtown Leesville where the courthouse, the, the sheriff's office, all that is all the lawyer's offices. And this person said to me, Morgan, when you first came out on TikTok, everybody everywhere, every day was talking about Bradley and Austin and Morgan Baggott. And then one day we all showed up to work and nobody said another word about it. And, and you and I actually had talked about that and you said, well that's pro. Where the gag order came in.
Woody Overton
Right?
Morgan Baggott
That's when the gag order he, he was like, you better not go anywhere and talk about this period.
Woody Overton
Yeah. Well, I could also see as we further told the story that especially your naming like Vance and how Vance used you or, or confided in you until the point where Austin Abanion was, was found dead. And we knew now we could prove otherwise. And the sheriffs told the family she didn't have a mark on her. And he told you she didn't have a mark on her. And we proved otherwise on that. I would think the. And I know from good legitimate people, business owners and stuff that, that Vance used to tell them stuff and they're not saying anything now. I think that the. You have to excuse that my, that's. My brothers and sisters are here, meaning the dogs. My mom is out of town so I'm keeping them and they're outside my studio. But the. I think that it comes a point where they realize, oh shit, gag order. And of course I'm speculating gag order is good for everybody. But now we're finding out all the shit that's been said already and we may be liable for some of it. Right. Especially let's just hypothetically say that Austin Banion, which Vance told you she passed her polygraph. He told numerous other people that told me themselves, and I'm not mentioning the names, that she absolutely passed it and she knew exactly what she was talking about on Bradley's case, which is what did she say who was there? Let's go ahead and throw that out again. You do it.
Morgan Baggott
Jason McDaniel, Danielle Gibson and Justin Charbonneau. You know, that is what David McDonald's told me.
Woody Overton
And. And who. And who. Who. Who shot Bradley?
Morgan Baggott
David Vance told me that Austin o' Gagnon told him that Justin Charbonneau shot Bradley twice in the chest.
Woody Overton
Right. Okay. And again, that's what David Vance told you. You're not making it up. They. That you're not. You didn't pick Justin Charbonneau's name out of the air. Right.
Morgan Baggott
Never Carbonose name until it came out of David Vance's mouth. Never once in four years heard Justin Carbonose name before David.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, I bet it's not coming out David Vance's mouth now. Although, as y' all know, because you've been listening to the podcast, after we did that episode, Justin Charbonneau immediately blew me up the next day. And. And I was like, hey. I responded to him. I was like, hey, the. That's. This is what's being said about you. I didn't make your name up. Right. And then we got on the podcast and got him to record and he's according to his own self and we're going to get into that. And maybe not on this episode, but according to his own cell, he's off living in the good life for Jesus and the Lord and all that. Right? The. But this. So I think that I don't. I don't think that Sam Kraft knew everything that had been said and in the. Everything that it have been done, all the information which should have been, any investigator would have never divulged their hands. That's why I don't say to anybody. That's why I'll say to you. Because the. I'm playing my cards close to my vest because I got to figure out which ones I want to hold and which ones I want to fold. Right? And. But so I think NDA, and it's total speculation, y', all, but I think NDA definitely is more targeted a specific individuals. Like you say something else, right? And this way we can cover ourselves if you say anything else that's liable for us and what have you and whatnot. But it's the, it came from too many different sources. And then when it got kicked up from gag order to NDA, you just don't pick just like Justin Charbonneau's name. You don't pick that word magically out of the air. Right?
Morgan Baggott
Yeah, I, I wondered that. Like I, I wondered that so many times would David Vance have had to have had permission to tell me what he told me?
Woody Overton
I could tell you, I don't know what they, what their rules are over there, but there's no way in hell I would have told you a quarter of stuff that he told you. But it wasn't just you. I have other people that he's told face to face. And these are legitimate people. These are people, good citizens, upstanding citizens that want to remain anonymous and they shall the you know, tell me all this stuff unsolicited. I didn't ask for them to call me up and tell me and the. It is what it is but that, that you know, being incompetence or whatever it may be. It is what it is. The. And y' all if, if you could had an iota of how much shit I have on everybody and Vernon Parish, everybody wants to tell on everybody, all the bad people people and, and everything from crazy stuff like this person's got a baby with this person and this person is this. I'm serious. The call Last night at 12:30 was about this high ranking official has an illegitimate child that's all up involved in your case and that's why they're getting cover and da da da da. Well you know what? Now I got to look into it. Which is fine. But the. Let's go back to the NDA. The to you got to the effect of pushing around, digging around trying to find one person that would actually confirm that they had to sign a non disclosure agreement. Right. And the closest I could get is you know what, Wait until, wait until I'm no longer employed Sheriff's office and I'll tell you everything. Right. Because the NDA wouldn't be valid or what have you. I guess they think that to. Yes. From their family members directly. Absolutely. My significant other had to sign one. Right. That doesn't mean it's true. Just saying what's been pushed and what comes back. And I'm not giving up any sources or anything else. I'm on point. Correct?
Morgan Baggott
Yes sir. Correct.
Woody Overton
All right, so what do I do? I'm thinking about it. Thinking about it about 3 o' clock in the morning. And I'm like, you know what? Fuck that. Let's just fire a shot across the bow and see what they say. So I called my attorney, who I'm gonna give his name, because he, he is the ultimate bulldog, Thomas Davenport. And he's out of the Rapids Parish area. Okay. And we've been working together, Tommy and I have for years. And he's also a professor at law school and stuff like that. But the. Before he became my personal attorney, I used to do a lot of criminal defense work. Hold on. Sorry, I'm gonna turn this ringer off. You there?
Morgan Baggott
Yes, sir, I'm here.
Woody Overton
All right, the. If I could turn that off without silence. All right, the. Boom. Are you there?
Morgan Baggott
Yes, sir, I'm here.
Woody Overton
Okay. The. Tommy and I worked together for a long time before I actually needed him for something and he handled and he's. He's like the best. He's like the bomb.com on steroids. He's a bull. I call him my bulldog. And so I called him and I had two questions for him. One, I'm not going to go into today, but it pertains to. I'll tell you, it pertains to engine public records. How about that? And, and so there's something that. Else that we're working on inside of that. But I told him, I said, tommy, you know, tell them we're talking about the NDA non disclosure agreement and the gag order and what have you. And he said, you know what? Why don't we just ask them? I said, you know, what you got on your mind, Tommy? And he said, just ask him. And, and so this is what he did, and this is how he asked him. And I'm going to read this letter from him to y' all because I, I know they have it because they got it hand delivered and they had to sign for it and they got it emailed to him. So it said that says the Davenport firm, a professional law corporation. It's dated August, August 25, 2025 and is originally submitted by via FAFSA Fast Mill. Whatever facts or whatever, I don't know what that means. 337-238-4987. And it's to Sheriff John Quotation, Sam Kraft, Vernon Parish Sheriff's Office, 1203 South 4th Street, 4th Street, Leesville, LA 71496. In re and in dark, bold public records request. Now, Tommy's a genius. And you understand at the end then it says, dear Sheriff Kraft, pursuant to Louisiana Revised Statute 44, Semicolon 1E T SCQ Please accept this letter as a public records request for a copy. Any non disclosure agreements, contracts, confidentiality agreements, contacts, or any agreements, contracts that prevent deputies or any staff of the Vernon Parish Sheriff's Office to disclose any information or facts related to the Sheriff's office and or any cases, parentheses, past cold or current cases, close parentheses, investigated by the Sheriff's office. Furthermore, I am requesting all of the above material pursuant to the Louisiana Public Records Doctrine, the Louisiana Freedom of Information act, and any other law that enables one to acquire your records. Should you have any questions or concerns, please contact me at the number and address indicated on this letterhead. Once these materials have been compiled, please forward those documents or other materials along with your invoice. Your cooperation is very much appreciated. Appreciate it. Further, should any of the requests made herein be unclear, confusing, or misunderstood, please contact me immediately. Should you have any questions, comments, or be in need of additional information, please feel free to call upon me without hesitation. Thank you. With high esteem, best wishes and personal regards. I'm respectfully Yours, Thomas Davenport, Jr. Attorney Law. All right, so what does that boil down to? They. I was just thinking about Bradley and AO's case. Tommy has. And rightfully so, because it belongs to all of us, the public. Tommy has requested any type of. Anything that the sheriff has done in the history of the sheriff's office. So the. The. They've. They. Nope.
Morgan Baggott
Not ears. Worse, but period. Ever.
Woody Overton
Right, right. And. And now I'm sure they're going to come back and hit me with a 25,000 or $50,000 bill to send stuff on a thumb drive, but that's fine and be whatever, and I'll have to go through all of it. But don't you think that they might not send anything at all?
Morgan Baggott
Yeah, I guess they have that option, huh?
Woody Overton
Well. Well, they. They do.
Morgan Baggott
They request the.
Woody Overton
The. You know what, though? They are a law enforcement public agency. They have a duty to uphold the law. And that means all aspects of the law, including public information requests. Including most public information requests. Y' all are for, like, case files or, you know, whatever this is for any document that any employee or deputy. Of course, there's differences. Secretaries that aren't deputies and shit like that, that anybody that works under Sam Kraft has ever signed. That. The. Guess what, it's public record. And I'm sure we're gonna have to go to court over this. I'm sure their lawyer is laid a gold brick in his drawers and is going to be like, we're gonna fight this, because then the Lawyers make money, right? Well, I told Tommy, my lawyer, I said, tommy, you're not going to be welcome. You're gonna be like me. You're gonna be banned from Burning Parish. He said, I don't give up. He said, and Tommy doesn't. He'll go anywhere and fight anybody. That's. That's kind of Lori. Right, so that was submitted on August 25th, and today is what, September 2nd?
Morgan Baggott
Oh, I'm sorry.
Woody Overton
Go ahead.
Morgan Baggott
No, you said. I thought you said July 25th.
Woody Overton
So it's been submitted over a week ago, and we've got a whole bunch of crickets. Thus far, not even a response, not even a acknowledgment of receipt. Right.
Morgan Baggott
Well, I. My world, that's all. I've experienced crickets from them for a while now. Pretty much ever since Austin o' Banion was murdered. Not overdose murdered. It's been crickets from them for me.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, then. And. But Vance told you. And I'm just repeating what Vance told you that you told me that Austin's story, you know, it's just. Just another overdose. And her story died with her.
Morgan Baggott
Yep. Died with her. It was an unfortunate coincidence.
Woody Overton
Yeah. Okay. Well, they've. They knew the hours and hours of conversations that I have every single minute up to the allegedly when the last people that were with her. And then just magically she's found in the conditions she's in. Oh, and by the way, she didn't have a scratch on her. Right. And the.
Morgan Baggott
To me exactly was she was brutalized.
Woody Overton
Yeah. Well, the.
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Morgan Baggott
He welded a lot of things for a lot of people during his time of air quote, incarceration.
Woody Overton
Yeah.
Morgan Baggott
And he got paid very well for it. And he's doing mighty fine from what I can see.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, you know, I did watch his parole hearing and they offered him like the end of his. Towards the end of the sentence, they offered him six months. I don't think I told you this. They offered him six months based on the fact that he leave the, the whatever prison he was at and go into a drug rehab program. He was like, then I'm going to get out. And they were like, yeah, based on you completing this advanced drug treatment program. He was like, no, I think I'll stay here. Because he was doing work, right? He's doing work release and he's making money, good money. So the dude's out, God bless him. He served his time. Great for him. He just got unfortunately involved in the story because it is what it is. But the Back to it on, you know, this public information request, the. Whatever. We're going to see what happens. It's been a week. I think it's okay we announce it publicly, give them something else to talk about. Now the. I would like to believe that law enforcement would abide by the rule of the law and turn over their shit. Do I think it's going to happen? Would be really, really interesting. Right.
Morgan Baggott
I was told, you know, this is. This is kind of derailing. But I was told specifically by someone who works at the Social Security office, we. We know Bradley's murdered. We know he's dead. We know he's never coming back. I'm a single mom. I'm struggling to take care of my children. And I was told by someone at Social Security office that we would have to find Bradley's remains or their proof would have to be provided beyond reasonable doubt that Bradley is deceased. And with one or both of those things, we could start receiving death benefits to help me with his son and you know, financially.
Woody Overton
Right.
Morgan Baggott
And they have made it next to impossible. There have been four or five, to my knowledge, FOIA requests for Bradley's case file so that I could go ahead and file for death benefits. A legal presumption of death. And they are. They're doing anything but helping me do that.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, you're a big ass thorn in their side and I wouldn't expect them to help you. You would expect someone to help you. But remember now, y', all, if he's had been called up or whatever. Vance went from serving search warrants and interrogating people and all that to now saying, what was it? He did a press release or what was it? And he said, oh, we don't even think there's any foul play here. He just goes off in the woods sometimes, right? Six. Six fucking years. Yeah. And no transactions. Yeah. So the. All right. What I do want to do and is I want to read you something. I didn't know who Justin Sharpen it was, but you know what Woody Overton is nobody's okay. And the. I let Mr. Charbonneau have his say. Believe him. You know, took him at face value for what he told me and everything else. Great. And y' all all heard it on Real Life, Real Crown, the podcast. And then he and I messed a couple times after that, whatever. And then I didn't hear from him for a while and. But say I have so much different social media, so many different places for people, like 15 different places where People can reach out to me, but I don't check them all the time. And one of them is Facebook Messenger. So I'll give you on August 21st at 8:29am and now I miss. I missed this message. I this the I go back and I'll tell you exactly what the date was because this is a time frame, it's the longest message in the world. So I, I actually respond to him on the 23rd, but there's another message that came in on the 23rd, but on the, on the 21st and on my honor, I did not read this, did not know this was there. He said, Mr. Woody, this is from Justin Charbonneau's Facebook account with his picture looking at me. Aug 21 at 8:29am Mr. Woody, I'm sorry I haven't gotten you sooner to give you this. My father has been in hospice and pass way to be with the Lord yesterday. But you crossed my mind because my other phone broke and you asked me if you. You ever had questions or needed help to call or text. So here's my new number. I pray all is well with you, sir. God bless. And he gives me his number right now. That's on August 21st. I have not read this. On August 23rd, it's like 10 o' clock at night. I get around to reading my Facebook messenger, but at 4:26pm and y' all stay tuned because this is gonna take up the rest of the show for sure. At August 23rd at 4:26pm and I'm reading this from his Facebook account suggesting you sue if you want to. The the first of all, y'. All. My daddy died this on on four months ago to the day that I received this message. Okay, so anyway, it says, say brother, I'm talk texting right now. So it may seem like one big run on sentence, but enough is enough. You know, I'm a peaceful man. And the other day they got on Facebook and they had a picture of me in Lake Charles, Louisiana, with people from Lake Charles and them stating that Austin o' Banion was in that truck or whatnot and that who was in the truck with her. And all these people have done went mad. The people that's in that picture, first of all, can prove to you is not her there still here with us. But it's about to push me to the point, man, to where I'm really upset back and I'll shut up, bro. I sit back and I have shut up. And for you not to even now he does this Five times, the same statement back to Justin statement. Him and I have. Shut up. And for you not to even say my condolences about my father passing away. Seems to me like you got your mind in the same mix. So let me go ahead and tell you something, Mr. Woody. Give me a lie detector test. Do whatever y' all got to do. But also another nail in the coffin, if you want to call it that, is that this. I never met Jason, who is the other guy that they said I was with until November of 2020 and that I have proof of. So there's no way I could ever been in association with Jason McDaniels, with her. So if y' all would use Yalls common sense and really think about this, Think about it real, real hard, bro. His mom and them were making counterfeit money. Think about that. They were making counterfeit money buying dope. The same mom that keeps hollering this and hollering that and trying to get everything away from her. So that's the word on the streets, and that's the biggest word on the streets. And now they're starting to go to my stuff and pull up pictures. And really what they're doing now is making themselves look like a fool. Like I said, I'm a peaceful man, bro. And I've let it go by and I've let it slide. And there's so many people out there right now, they're like, justin, what are they talking about? Because you know, what really went on with all this that his mom and them are freaking, got him caught up with the bikers or whoever they gave that counterfeit money to. So, man, you just. Common sense. I just thought. I just really wish you would, bro. And for you not to say anything about my dad passing away and my condolences and everything like that, it really shows what type of character you have, sir. It's not a good one. So if you want to go ahead and side with the people that most likely are the ones that caused it, then go ahead, man. And for you not to say anything about my dad passing away, bro, that's common courtesy. And that really shows what type of character you have, man. So, you know, I have not a thing to hide or I wouldn't even be talking to you. I would be making bold statements, as I'm making. Because what's going to happen is y' all are going to look like a complete fool, because underneath the surface of it all, you have nothing. It is no connection with me, with these people, bro. None whatsoever. Only, like I told you only one time I met Bradley was inside a prison one time. Outside of that, I never seen that, man. I. I says smell, smell banion out of her freaking top. I just. I'm laughing at myself of the stupidity of this investigation that everybody has going on. But I got ironclad proof other than me messing up, thinking I was locked up at the time, that I was in Lake Charles at the time, that I never met Jason McDaniels until after the fact. Never met him a day before my life. So, bro, I can really start if it's public record and all this other that. Yeah, yeah, but listen. Whenever people are cleared of charges like Jason was, and now they're just trying to throw my name under the bus, knows that's not going to happen. I'm tired of it. I moved on from my life from Leesville, Louisiana. It's because they gossip and they have nothing else better to do. And the ones that's barking the loudest is the ones that needs to be chained up. And I'm telling you right now, his mother got him caught up in some dumb crap. And I hate that. With all my heart, I hate that. But I prayed about this. And I have prayed about this and I have prayed about this. And God has given me the peace to let you know that this is going far enough and for you just not to say anything about my dad again. I keep talking about that. You didn't say at all my condolences or nothing. That just goes to show where you stand in this also. But you'll be made to look like a fool, too, bro. I've been nothing but nice to you. I'll try to cooperate with you and everything else. Or in the sun. I pray they get Bradley's murders. I pray in heaven above that they do. But it ain't this, partner. It ain't me. I'm telling you, they that right now. You have a lovely blessed day, sir. Don't say anything, okay? This is the message he sends me after one day, after the message about his dad, which I did not read, on my honor. I didn't even know when I read this big long message. I didn't know that message was up there. I had to go back and read it. So this is what I respond. August 23rd at 5:25pm so maybe I read it right after, but I said, dude, I almost never checked these messages. My dad died four months ago yesterday and was my best friend. So I understand what you're going through and my condolences as far as questioning My character. Go fuck yourself. I'm a Christian, not a pacifist. And I have never said a word about you to anyone since we recorded people posting pics and stuff are the ones you should direct your hatred to. And you being a self proclaimed man of Jesus, know that hate is not orchestrated by him. I get a hundred messages on everything from this to text to my app and all social media every day. If I missed your dad passing message or I read it and it didn't register, then again my condolences. Don't put your anger towards others on me. I'm conducting homicide investigations, not just in Charbonneau investigations. I'm not mad at you. But you and I are done. I have zero time for negativity. Have a nice life. So that was my response to him. And he can't go himself that it's, you know, I'm making a public record. He sent it to me and he shouldn't have, but he called me out five times about his dad and then I went back and. And read the message about his dad. Pass. I hate that. I hate that for anybody. But don't get on a kick and tell me five different times I'm a piece of. Because I didn't say anything about your daddy. But meanwhile you're throwing all this stuff out about Bradley. You never met him. You didn't know Austin, the Banyan, the. The pictures from Lake Charles and Truck. I didn't post any of that shit. And somebody tagged me in edit. I didn't know it was. I didn't say anything about it. Whether it was or wasn't, if whatever, I didn't do it right. I'm conducting hashtag justice for Bradley, hashtag justice for Austin o'. Banion and wherever else it may go. It is Detective David Vance that put it in his mouth to Morgan Baggett that you. That. That Austin o' Banion said it and then passed the polygraph. He told numerous people, so I imagine he told other people. And speculation that he told other people the same thing word for word. And the. He's the one that said Austin said you shot somebody in the stomach twice. I didn't make it up. I don't know who the fuck you are. So I'm not your bitch. And you do what you want to do. And my investigation is going to go where it goes. And I can tell you this. The motherfuckers that did this, that murdered Bradley and Austin o', Banion, you spent your last Labor Day free. I hope you enjoyed that weekend. Whoever you may be. And you know who you are. I know who you are. What?
Morgan Baggott
What? That. That's wild. What He. Like there's this. He was right in saying that, you know, excuse my thought to Texas one run on thing, man.
Woody Overton
Hey, you know what's crazy af. I forgot you were on the phone. I was reading. I was. That I was out all down into the podcast and don't. I don't want. I don't want Cindy to edit this out. And I heard it scared the. Out of me. I had set the phone down and you said what I was like. Like the. But anyway, the. The. I mean, come on, man. Get the. Out of here. Right? I didn't make this up. And. And you calling in. I didn't intentionally not say anything about your father. I've been busy as man. And like you said on your tik tok, daddy's been running and gunning. Right. The. The. And. And.
Morgan Baggott
But life. We're not consumed by guilt or. Or fear that we live our lives and I. Look, he said this. I have this on a message. Screenshots after screenshot sent to me by.
Woody Overton
Him or someone else.
Morgan Baggott
No, it's a. It's messages between him and other people, but this one in particular says straight from Justin. And he keeps reiterating how good of buddies him and Soundcraft is. I mean that's all he's been saying. He even said. Said you know, I talked to Sam Kraft the other day in. In the podcast.
Woody Overton
He. Yeah, he said. He actually sent me that in the first message after we dropped that episode that day. He was like, I'm gonna go talk to Sam now or whatever. But implying. But. But what you're about to read is we're assuming. And I have to assume this came from Justin Charbonneau. Shit. Because it has his picture and it's where all this other information we had contact through and he gave me his phone number and all that. So what's your about to read? We're assuming that it's his, but go ahead.
Morgan Baggott
It isn't.
Woody Overton
And.
Morgan Baggott
And I can prove it and we'll. If. If and when that day comes.
Woody Overton
Right.
Morgan Baggott
Told. This is per Justin Sharborno. Sam Kraft told my mother to tell me congratulations. Does that sound like they're hunting me down?
Woody Overton
That. And that's in a. In a. A message somebody sent you, right?
Morgan Baggott
A screenshot. Yep.
Woody Overton
Yep. There you have it. And like I said, you know, you want to come against me for anything I've said and I'll take you to court and Thomas Davenport will take you to court. And the. Y', all, the, the investigations, the. This is what this is truly about. But it's kind of a catch up week too. And, and let people know that there's a lot of shit going on. One. All right. And we're not going to stop. Not even on the legal side. You're not going to stonewall me on this. I'm going to. I'm going to out. Thank you. And, and I'm gonna hit you. There's something else legally that's being done that I'm not going to give up yet. I'm gonna hit you in ways that you haven't thought of. Okay. The. That's unfortunate for you that my OCD is. I can't turn my brain off. Now the Justin Charbonneau thing, it is what it is. I don't give a shit about that dude. The, you know, wish him well if he's involved in it. And also Banyan is telling the truth and David Vance is telling the truth and all that. Well, you know what I was saying, everything done in darkness comes to light. I'm not telling you what I know or don't know at this point. I can tell you that you, Morgan or anybody else because I'm not playing my cards and I'm building homicide investigations, people. This is on a podcast, but it's homicide investigations. Bradley's been dead almost six years. Austin's been gone for numerous years. And the, you know, they haven't been solved to this point for a reason. Okay. But justice is coming.
Morgan Baggott
But like you said.
Woody Overton
No, no, it's absolutely solvable. And the thing is, the more y' all talk about it. Look, I, and I just. I think people think I'm being fucking dramatic. I really. I sat down last night because I save all the voicemails that I get and I sat down last night. It's just page after page after page and some of the craziest shit in the world. But some of it is actually legit and some of it's repeat information. Page after page after page. Because I don't. When you call the tip line, I'm not answering if I don't know who you are. After you leave your message. If I call you back and we establish the relationship, then I'll put you in my phone. Right, right. But that's how it works. They. I'm not answering because there's a lot of people calling trying to give me bullshit or the, the meth heads love to call me at 3 o' clock in the morning ramble on for a hour about nothing to the voicemail cuts them off. Right. And you can tell her, hi. So I'm not going to answer those calls, but the case is being worked, and I'm never going to get off of it ever. Ever. Hashtag justice for Bradley. Hashtag justice for ao. If you're involved, I didn't make you do it, but I'm gonna prove. I'm gonna prove that you did it. There you have it. So, Morgan, I know we got so much more that we could say. We had a whole nother topic we wanted to get on today about y', all, and let's just go ahead and throw it out there. Morgan. So this is the second week, of course, we took last week off, but so it's been three weeks that we've been wanting to talk about this other topic, which is very important and very relevant for the case. But y', all, it has to do without saying anything else about it. It has to do with photographs and different things that have come through light. Through the investigation.
Morgan Baggott
Yep. There's. So that those pictures and videos are posted on Facebook. I posted the one video and a couple of different pictures, and I just post the question, what do y' all think about this? What are your thoughts and opinions on this? So where these pictures came from was a game camera, an SD card that was given to David Vance, to the sheriff's office, the detective. And. And. And so according to Bradley's girlfriend at the time, Chelsea said that Justin and. I'm sorry, excuse me. Jason and Danielle gave this game camera to. To her, and Chelsea just happened to look at the pictures on it and was like, what? You know, wtf? Basically. And she felt that it was strange enough and suspicious enough to turn this over to the sheriff's office. I asked David Vance about it, and he said, there's nothing on there. He straight up said, there is nothing on there. Well, according to other people, multiple people who saw what was on the SD card, they said there was literally like 600 people. I'm sorry, Pictures on there. And. And you can clearly see in the video, in one of the pictures.
Woody Overton
We'Re going to say that for next week. The. The. There's a reason. Okay, So, y', all, we're going to leave that. That segue. We're going to get into the videos and the pictures, and guess what, Morgan, I have not told you this. I have. I have pictures and things that you do not have. I have pictures and things that if it's not a crime scene, I'll be a monkey's uncle. Okay, well I'm not. I can't. I can't. I can't give it up because I don't want to fuck it up. I don't want them to, to have the for knowledge to try to hide and, and that's the truth. And I'm never going to do anything to, to jeopardize an investigation or a prosecution. But I am the in full effect and full belief that someone is about to flip. And I think I already know who, but I'm not going to say anything. But it doesn't matter. Someone is going to flip. And you know what people? I haven't, I haven't even been to Vernon Parish yet. I hadn't put boots on the ground that's coming in. But every day I give something new, I get something new. I get something new when I exhaust all the things that I have to do here that all you that want to meet me face to face and everything else and all that, it's going to be done and then I'm going to tie it all up in a big bow and give it to the powers that be. That'll be towards the end when I get done doing what I'm doing. But I'm not there and it's still coming and I'm still getting more stuff every day. Y' all call it in three. One three rlrc tip and Morgan. I hadn't done a TikTok in a couple weeks. I'm about to do one when we get off and I'm announce that this is going to come out. It's. Cindy's going to edit it as fast as she can. It might be midnight tonight, I don't know. But it's definitely coming out on Thursday for patreon of convicts and everybody else is going to get it on God, I guess Saturday morning or Sunday morning morning. But I'm going to do a TikTok about it and let them know haven't gone away. Just getting, just getting started. Okay. And, and, and I'm sorry to cut you off on the, on the picture video stuff but that's a whole different ball of wax today. NDA's gag order, understand Non disclosure agreement and we're going to find out or we're going to find. Guess what? Find out or nothing comes back. And then they don't know if I already have someone that's told me that they signed an NDA. But if it comes back and you say we don't have him, we never had an NDA. Don't have anything. And I already got proof. Oh, then you're injured in public records. And I'm not saying they are. God bless the good people of Vernon Parish. It seems like I'm down in Vernon Parish. I'm going to tell you, there are way many more good people, great people that I'm dealing with than the shitheads. And Grace, can I.
Morgan Baggott
What can you say? Nancy Grace?
Woody Overton
Oh, you know what? It. It will be so ridiculous that. I mean, I'm not doing it for that by any means, a reason. But the. If. If the people don't play by the rules, then that means everybody. And I'm not. I'm throwing shade on everybody at the sheriff's office. There are way more people there than. Than. Than bad. And I'm not saying that any of them are dirty or murderers or whatever. Wouldn't do that. Right? I believe Blue. But fuck it. If you're wrong, you're wrong. If you're wrong, you're wrong. And it's gonna. It's gonna go exactly where it's gonna go. And to think about this, all the cases I turn down with the good, good lily white victims, and now I've got two that are high risk lifestyles, to say the least. And with histories and everything else. Why would you take on those cases? Because God wanted you to. And your people kept reaching out and doing whatever. And then I saw what I saw and I was like, let's roll. So, that being said, Morgan, I love you. Thank you for being on. And y', all, I got some more shocking stuff that Morgan doesn't know about. Not just videos and pictures. I got other people. A person that's going to come on the show. It's going to trip all y' all out, but it's. That's going to be probably two weeks, but anyway. Morgan, you got anything thing else?
Morgan Baggott
No, Woody, I'm just. I'm getting emotional right now. I'm just so thankful for you. And I thank you and I thank God.
Woody Overton
Yes.
Morgan Baggott
I thought this for a long time all by myself.
Woody Overton
I'm sorry. Sweet.
Morgan Baggott
What?
Woody Overton
I knew.
Morgan Baggott
And I didn't know if I would ever receive this much help, but. Oh, my God.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, I'm sorry. And I didn't. I hate to see anybody cry, but, you know, I'm not sorry for the.
Morgan Baggott
Fight sadness, but it's relief when you.
Woody Overton
Yeah, well, we're not done. And we're gonna keep fighting no matter what happens. Okay? You know why? Because what if Bradley was my brother or my son or Austin with my daughter or my sister or my mother or daddy, whatever. Everybody deserves justice. And you, you, you standing up all these years carrying the torch. And God knows that, that, that's a story within itself. An ex wife carrying the torch. Right? And, and so most exes, you know, everybody knows about an ex. Right. But whatever. Thank you for carrying the torch. We're going to keep fighting, keep moving on. Y' all keep calling your tips, keep talking about it, believe that it's being worked, believe that things are going down, but there'll be no wine for its time. And Morgan, I love you very much. And just keeping it, keep doing what you're doing. I'm gonna keep doing what I do. And lifers, all y' all out there that listen to this, we love y'. All. And I'm Woody Overton, you host the Real Life Real Crown the podcast until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you. You down on murder by you. Peace. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You got a right to an attorney prior to it during any question. If you can't afford one, the court will point one for you. You, you understand your rights and the wolf is at your home. You running over, that's for sure. Already knows all about you. Got you no matter about you now you better walk alive.
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Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Host: Woody Overton
Guest: Morgan Baggott
Release Date: September 6, 2025
In Episode 12 of the #JusticeForBradley series, Woody Overton and Morgan Baggott deliver explosive new updates regarding the ongoing fight for justice in the cold case murder of Bradley Stracener and the related death of Austin O’Banion in Vernon Parish, Louisiana. This episode focuses on alleged gag orders and non-disclosure agreements (NDAs) imposed by the Vernon Parish Sheriff's Office, the host's legal maneuvers for transparency, continuing evidence of obstruction, and direct messages from a potential suspect in the case. Woody and Morgan also share their mounting frustration with local law enforcement and emphasize their renewed commitment to exposing the truth and achieving justice for the victims and their families.
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Timestamp: 06:01 – 17:00
Timestamp: 28:09 – 35:01
Timestamp: 35:01 – 41:57
Timestamp: 23:33 – 26:11
Timestamp: 41:57 – 56:00
Timestamp: 59:00 – 63:00
Timestamp: 62:58 – 65:00
Timestamp: 65:06 – 66:00
"We know that Sam Kraft issued a gag order to his employees. If you talk about this case, you're fired."
— [07:59] Woody Overton
"Did only a small circle have to sign it or was it everyone? Word got back to me that it was everyone...every person employed with Vernon Parish Sheriff's department."
— [14:07] Morgan Baggott
“...Give me a lie detector test. Do whatever y' all got to do...I got ironclad proof other than me messing up, thinking I was locked up at the time, that I was in Lake Charles at the time…”
— [41:57-54:02] Justin Charbonneau (message read by Woody Overton)
“As far as questioning my character, go fuck yourself. I'm a Christian, not a pacifist.”
— [54:02] Woody Overton
“...the motherfuckers that did this, that murdered Bradley and Austin o’, Banion, you spent your last Labor Day free. I hope you enjoyed that weekend. Whoever you may be. And you know who you are. I know who you are.”
— [52:46] Woody Overton
“We're going to keep fighting no matter what happens. Okay? You know why? Because what if Bradley was my brother or my son or Austin with my daughter or my sister or my mother or daddy, whatever. Everybody deserves justice.”
— [65:42] Woody Overton
| Segment | Timestamp | |--------------------------------------------------------------- |-----------:| | Woody warns suspects — "last Labor Day outside the wire" | 04:58 | | Discussion of gag order and initial NDA rumors | 06:01–17:00| | Woody details the public records demand to VPSO | 28:09–35:01| | Morgan blocked from pursuing death benefits for Bradley’s family| 41:00 | | Names of suspects, role of Austin O’Banion as witness | 23:33 | | Reading of Justin Charbonneau messages | 41:57–54:02| | Confirmation of suspect’s ties with sheriff | 55:20 | | Teaser: Game cam evidence, upcoming reveals | 59:00–63:00| | Emotional close: Woody & Morgan reaffirm resolve | 65:06–66:00|
Relentlessly determined, at times confrontational but deeply empathetic, Woody and Morgan blend methodical legal and investigative strategy with raw emotional testimony. The episode conveys a crusading zeal against corruption, conveying both righteous anger and genuine care for the families impacted. The language is direct, occasionally profane, unwavering in pursuit of transparency and accountability.
This episode is pivotal for anyone following Bradley and Austin’s cases or interested in the failures of rural law enforcement. The stakes are raised: Woody and Morgan are publicly demanding answers while confronting authority head-on. The threat of legal challenge, impending new evidence, and mounting public scrutiny set the stage for a potential break in the case—and perhaps, at last, “#JusticeForBradley.”
Tip Line: 313-RLRC-TIP
Photos/Videos Teased: Upcoming episode
Next Episode: Will focus on photographic and video evidence critical to the case
"Justice is coming. We're never going to stop. Hashtag justice for Bradley. Hashtag justice for AO..."
— Woody Overton [57:14]