Woody Overton (37:23)
Anyway, so we get her out now she's gone and, and then we meet back and Stan was like, you know, you got to go out and interview those girls. Said absolutely, we're going to do that. So let's go do it now. So Calvin and I go out. You. It's just surreal. It's. It's a bad scene. I mean this lady, 82 year old lady, spent her whole life helping kids. Everybody loved her. She's got. Everybody loved her. And so, so many people out there, the motions are so high. But Stan told me which one it was that was doing this extra carrying on and we, Calvin and I approached her first and I'm gonna tell the names later on, y'. All. Calvin, I approached the first and I said, I said you are. He said that, that was my, that's my grandmother. That's my grandmother that killed. I said, okay. I said I knew. We need to get a statement from you. Now let me describe her to you. She's a white female, probably close to 40, real disheveled looking, real, real unkempt. Yeah, I'm not saying this to be ugly. I'm just telling you what I was served. She, I'm not gonna be ugly, but she, she. Kind of a dirty blonde, Real dirty blonde, if not brown hair, real disheveled looking. Just not well put together, if you will. Almost. She was all frantic and stuff and to me she almost appeared to be under the influence of something. Now by this Time. We've been there like five hours or more. And she's been out there the whole time too. And I get it. Her grandmother has been brutally murdered, and she's been out there with her mama and her sister the entire time. And so we get her in my truck and introduce ourselves and don't have to advise her. I don't know anything about anything at this point. That's the truth. And get her name, get where she lives, and she's going on and on, and she wouldn't shut up about, you know, interrupting us about how these. And she's using n words. These must have did it. And he's using drugs. And I was like, oh, just, you know, settle down. Look, we need your help, you know, playing her a little bit and, and needs your help. And you got to tell us everything you know. You got to paint it for me like a. A movie. I mean, act like I know nothing at all. Etc. I said, who are you talking about? Who would be in this house that would have drugs that. That would owe money to black drug dealers that would come in here and kill your grandmother? Because that's what she kept saying. And she said the guy's name. She said, that's my stepdad. I said, okay. And I said, has he ever showed up tonight? And she said. She said, no, he's not here. And we've been trying to call him and we don't know where he's at, and he should have been here. And that's why I know that they probably got him to and. And killed my grandmother. I said, all right. I said, well, you can tell me about him. What makes you thinks he. He uses drugs? She said, he used to use it a long time ago. I'm just guessing that he must have started again. I'm just guessing. I'm thinking, yeah, you know, some. And my mind, right. And Calvin and I can read each other. I know he's thinking the same thing. You just don't start out guessing that. And, and the victim's daughter, the wife of this girl's. This girl's mother's husband and I mean, this girl's mama, the. The. The daughter of deceased is the one that told us he did have a drug problem many, many years ago, but not anytime recent and the great job and career, blah, blah, blah. So I asked when was the last time you saw him? And she said, oh, I don't know, a couple days ago or whatever she told me. And I said, so you didn't see him today? She said, absolutely not. I said, okay, where were you today? And she said, I was at home. I said, by yourself? And she said, yeah, I was by myself. And she was married. And I said, your husband wasn't home? She said, no, I was home by myself. And I said, you haven't seen him? She said, no. And I said, and you tried to call him? And he said, I can't get in touch with him. And I knew it. I know that son of bitch had had drugs and owed these black guys money, and they did this, blah, blah, blah. And she wasn't saying black guys. And she's going on and on. You know what? Just locked her into her statement, basically right to the point where we were done with her. I knew. I felt personally something wasn't quite right, but I don't know. It's beginning investigation. People act differently under grief, right? So we get. Let her out. And there was another granddaughter that was there. If you put the two side by side, exact opposites. This girl, and I call a girl, this young lady was very well put together. Her hair was, you know, I mean, I guess you said immaculate, but her hair was brushed, and she was, you know, very, very pretty. And her husband was there with her. And her husband was a Baton Rouge city police officer. And. And I told him. I said, look, we got to talk to her. And he said, I get it. I understand. And get her in the truck. And she's. Of course, she was at home or at work that day. And she also tried to call the stepdad and couldn't get in touch with them. She knew he had a narcotics problem in the past, but certainly not at any time. And they're. They're knowing them, right? He'd been clean, works the same job, et cetera, et cetera. So get out, y'. All. This is all going on, And. And we're conducting these interviews, and the guy's biological son shows up that he actually worked with at the company. And we get him in, interview him, and start talking to him and say, hey, you know, she's. The victim is dead. He's like, I can't believe that. I just can't believe it. And. And I said, and I understand your dad, you know, lives here. And he said, yeah, yeah. And. And I said, I understand that he works with you. And, of course, y', all, Calvin's asking questions, too, and we're playing off each other. And understand he works with you. Yeah, at our company. And, you know, I said, was he at work today? And he said he came in for a few minutes but he left way early. I said, all right. I said, what does he drive? He said, he drives a company truck, a maroon, I think it was a GMC extended cab. I said, so he doesn't own the truck? He said, absolutely not. And he said on top of that, he. He was supposed. I think he was supposed to go make a bank deposit. How much? He said, like 3, $500 that he had access to. And he said, I can't get in touch with him. He said, I've been trying to call him all night and go straight to voicemail. I'm like, all right. And I said, you know the name of your company? Said? I said, or the other people saw him come in today and leave early? Said, yes. I said, you mind if we send somebody out there tomorrow, talk to him? He said, no. He. I said, do you have any reason to believe that your father was using narcotics? He said, absolutely not. He said he had a problem with it in the past. He said, but if he's been using again, he's been keeping it from me. And he said, I wouldn't put up with it. He said, my father's a Christian man. He goes to church. He testifies his. About his fight with narcotics and his demons and everything else. And he said, I just don't believe it. And I said, well, look, you know, we got this information. I said, I'm really got to get with you on, you know, a lot of stuff, y'. All. And I was thinking in my mind and does he have a company credit card? Does he have, you know, what? How does he get his money? We don't have a suspect yet, but it's certainly strange, this dude in here by now, it's like probably 2 o' clock in the morning or later. I don't know, it's been a long time. And we talked to him and ended up releasing him from the initial interview. And we met back with Stan and everything and told him, so look, man, I said, obviously this dude is missing. He's had a narcotics problem in the past, cocaine specifically. And we got the coke in the house, and, you know, we just got to work it right. And I said, we got to start somewhere. We got to start with him. And he's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. But you can't discount the, you know, the drug dealer thing. I said, look, we can't discount anything. Everybody's suspect except for us. And meanwhile, we're standing there talking, and the daughter of the victim, the first one we interviewed, comes up and says, says, I Think they're like her granddaughter. Her granddaughter or they. There were a lot of orphan children, y', all, that were involved in the story that I may tell you about or may not or whatever. And they all considered this the victim to be their grandmother, what have you. And she said. She said, this girl just got here and she had to drive in from north Mississippi, and she's got information on him, talking about her husband that was missing. I said, all right. So Calvin and I go up and introduce herself, said, hey, can you come in the truck and talk to us? And so she did. And she gets in there, told her names, told us where she lived in northern middle part of Mississippi. And I said, you. You. I understand you have some information on him. And she said, I do. She said, it just totally freaked me out. I said, what is it? And she said, I stopped. Yeah, I think it was Brookhaven, Mississippi. It's either Brookhaven or McComb, but I'll tell you about both of them. They're not 15 miles apart. And if you go to. If you come into Livingston parish on Interstate 12, or say. Let's say you leave in Livingston parish on Interstate 12, you go east until you hit I55. I55. And that runs north all the way from the Mississippi line all the way down to where it hits Interstate 10. I mean, you take left and go to New Orleans. So she said, anyway, you. You would take I55 into Mississippi. You. You know, you pass now Louisiana, you get through Kentwood, and then you come into whatever small town in Mississippi and then another one in the town. Yes, a couple bigger ones, and they are McComb and then Brookhaven. Regardless, she said she got the phone call about the victim, who's her great grandmother or whatever, and she was like, holy hell. And. And I mean, you know, she loves the lady, right? And she's coming. She's family. She said, I had to load up. I had to bring my kids or whomever somewhere. It's in the middle of night now. Said I had to load up. I had to stop at Walmart to get something to drink or. I don't remember what it was. Maybe some cigarettes, I don't remember. But that was the only thing that was open that time of night in that small of a town was the Walmart. She says, I go, I'm getting out of my vehicle, I'm going to walk in the door of Walmart, and I see him coming out and he's carrying some bags of groceries. And she stopped and she said, it freaked me the fuck out. She's like, what are you doing here? She said, don't you know? Don't you know? And I'm not gonna say the vic's name, what they called her. She said, don't you know? She's. She's dead. She's been brutally murdered. And then he looks at her and he said, yeah, yeah, I heard, I heard. I'm. I'm heading that way right now. I'm heading that way right now. She said, what are you doing in Mississippi? He said, I was up here for work, but I'm headed that way right now. I'm headed straight there. She said, he was really. Not strung out, but really amped up. And then he took off and he got into that maroon truck and drove off. And she said it freaked her out. And so she just left. And she ends up coming there, and she's, you know, gets there and we're interviewing her, and I said, what time was it? She told me when she was at the Walmart. And so we thanked her and let her go. Got her phone number in case we need to contact her again. But we got her statement that she sees him in Mississippi. Now, this is like. This is like three hours from where the victim is. Let's see, I'm an hour at least two and a half, three hours from where the victim is, and he's coming out of Walmart in the middle of the night carrying grocery bags. So we ended up interviewing everybody else or whatever is. It's like four or five o' clock in the morning. We have Holder last detecting me, and I said, I said, we got to get to Walmart. We got to pull a video. We got to find out what time he got there. We got to see if we can see any injuries on him. We got to see what he bought. He said, I agree. He said, I agree. I said, look, I'm white. He said, I'm gonna get the day shift guy. Come on, run over there, give it the manager. Pull the video. Go. You and Calvin go get a couple hours sleep and then meet me back at the office late in maybe two hours. He said, sleep ass house. I said, all right, so go home. Go back up. I mean, sleep for an hour probably, and shower, fresh clothes, go back to the office, and they're there. And I forget who it was. It may have been Ken McMorris. I went and pulled the video, and they had sure enough, sure and Walmart cooperated without a warrant. They told him what we were looking at, and not only did they give Us the video, but they gave us the receipt, copy of the receipt of what he bought in the video. This dude I'm describing for you, he's probably 5 11, maybe 280 pounds, fat, big, thick glasses, probably late 40s. And he's just a slob. And he's in a shirt, like a T shirt with a pocket thing on the front and, and some jeans and whatever. And he's just strolling through Walmart, you know, getting things off the shelves. But at one point he went to the women's section, women's underwear section, and, and he picked something out of there. Then he, he went all the way through the store. He went, I'm sure he shopping like it's a Sunday and he's got all the time in the world. He went to the fruits and vegetable section and got a couple items. And so I'm looking at the receipt while we're watching the video and receipt shows some normal things like some toiletries, you know, toothbrush, toothpaste, some deodorant and. But it got to the women's section. He bought a pair, or I guess you call him a set. I'm not a lingerie guy, but he bought, I guess I'm a call a set, a set of women's underwear. I think they were like fake silk and like a shiny dark blue, but I forget how this list on receipt, but it was like size jumbo. And I don't know women's clothing sizes, but the manager store said that, that what he bought was the largest size that they had. And then he went, when he was in the food section, he bought different food items. When we went, I can understand everything he bought. And even grapes. He bought some grapes, right? You can put grapes in a cooler and, and eat them as you're driving down the road. But he bought some large yellow squash. Squash the vegetable. And I'm thinking. And I told Cat, I said, what the fuck? I mean, I can understand. I don't understand the women's underwear unless he's got a girlfriend somewhere, right? And I said, but the squash. Cal said, I don't know, man. He said, I don't know. He never showed up that night, by the way, after the witness put him in the Walmart. And she was right, it was him. We, we printed out the picture from the Walmart show. Some. Another detective took it to one of the family members. They said, yeah, that's him. We knew it was him anyway. We had pulled his driver's license and all that, but he was positively identified as being him. But the things that stick out from the receipt for me at the Walmart or the women's bra and panties, but it was like a set thing, more like a lingerie thing. And then the big squash. Figure it out and I'm gonna conclude it for this week on Monsters. You have no idea where the story is going. We're almost another hour in and I'm gonna leave it at that. It'll continue it again next week. And even if you know the story, you don't know the story. The heart goes out to them to and it always will to this family. It's just unbelievable. And as always, thank y' all for everything. Thank you for listening and sharing Real life, Real crime. Thank you for making us first runner up to 2020's best true crime podcast of the year award. Thank you Patreon members for your support. You you're going to be getting your patron episode the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. I'm not releasing anything next week except for a patron episode and it doesn't have to do with monsters. This is, it's another full length episode as part of your patron benefits. And you'll be getting of course, patron. You get this episode earlier than everybody else. Commercial and unedited. All lifers, all life. 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