Real Life Real Crime | Monsters Part 3: Autopsy & A New Suspect Reboot

Summary

Podcast Summary: Real Life Real Crime | Monsters Part 3: Autopsy & A New Suspect Reboot

Host: Woody Overton
Date: April 1, 2026
Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Episode Focus: Deep-dive into a brutal homicide case, autopsy details, and the emergence of a new suspect

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Overview

In the third installment of the “Monsters” series, Woody Overton continues his recounting of an especially brutal homicide case involving the murder of an 82-year-old woman. This episode provides raw, unscripted insights into the day after her body was discovered, including the investigative steps that followed, detailed autopsy descriptions, and the emergence of a new suspect. Woody delivers his story through vivid memories, bringing listeners into the emotional and procedural intricacies faced by investigators handling such a horrific crime.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: The Day After Discovery

• Woody reminds new listeners to check out Parts 1 and 2 for full context ([03:56]).
• An extra trigger warning is given due to graphic and disturbing content ([04:12]).
• The main suspect at this point is the victim’s son-in-law, who was missing and last seen leaving Walmart in Mississippi under suspicious circumstances ([06:11]-[06:48]).

2. Early Investigation Tactics & Challenges

• Woody describes the team’s approach: brainstorming leads, gathering alibis, and organizing BOLO (Be On the Look Out) alerts ([07:17]-[08:16]).
• They start by speaking to the missing man’s workplace for records, habits, vehicle info, and potential unauthorized use of the company truck ([08:34]-[09:10]).
• Focus on legal procedure: using “unauthorized use of a movable” as a charge in Louisiana to help facilitate the BOLO ([11:01]-[12:46]).
• Notable explanation of probable cause standards in homicide investigations:
  • “Probable cause is 50% plus one, y’all. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt.”
    — Woody Overton ([13:03])
• Discussion of tactical use of existing evidence (e.g., cocaine found in the residence) to establish probable cause for warrants ([11:11]-[11:54]).

3. The Autopsy: Process and Revelations

• Detailed, step-by-step walkthrough of the local autopsy facility’s layout and conditions ([13:44]-[16:07]).
• Introduction of Dr. Corkin, the forensic pathologist, described as a genius with a dry sense of humor ([16:48]-[17:10]).
• In-depth recounting of standard autopsy protocol as performed: bag opening, removal of clothing for evidence, measurement and photography of injuries ([24:22]-[26:18]).
• The severe extent of violence shocks even the veteran pathologist:
  • “Of all the head traumas I've seen, this has to be the worst or one of the worst, or the most amount of damage I've ever seen to a human head.”
    — Dr. Corkin ([27:03])
• Woody explains the difficulty in counting blows due to overlapping wounds ([28:00]-[28:40]).
• Unexpected development: a gunshot wound is found, previously hidden by blood—.22 caliber ([30:02]–[31:14]).
• Forensic discussion about bullet types (.22 short vs .22 long), casings, and the ballistics lesson for podcast listeners ([31:14]–[33:08]).
• The autopsy concludes there was no evidence of sexual assault, despite indications at the crime scene; DNA swabs taken as a precaution ([39:07]–[39:31]).
• Final cause of death: either massive blunt force trauma or gunshot wound—both were fatal ([39:40]–[40:26]).

4. Gathering Evidence and Further Investigation

• Detectives interview colleagues at the suspect’s workplace:
  • The missing man left early claiming illness, has not been seen since, and did not have permission to take the company truck out of state ([41:15]–[41:53]).
• Steps taken to secure legal and procedural warrants:
  • “Tina, I need a warrant. Unauthorized use of movable.”
    — Woody Overton ([43:39])
  • Use of minor evidence (cocaine, truck misuse) to obtain warrants and justify a BOLO in NCIC system ([44:07]–[45:26]).
• Clarity on procedural point:
  • “Could be inferred. He said he was going there. He lives there, and the cocaine was found there. A little bit of reach, but, I mean, you got to do what you got to do, right?”
    — Woody Overton ([45:04]–[45:17])

5. Emergence of a New Suspect

• Interactions with the victim’s family to collect more details and alibis ([46:18]–[49:02]).
• Suspicious behavior highlights potential involvement of the victim’s granddaughter:
  • Noted repeated use of racial slurs and erratic behavior ([07:53]; [46:48]).
  • She’s seen repeatedly covering her hands and arms with long sleeves on a warm day, refuses to show hands when questioned ([51:00]–[57:12]).
  • “Guess what, she's got her hands tucked under her pits again, under armpits.”
    — Woody Overton ([51:02])
  • “She said, I cut myself all the time. And yeah, I wear long sleeves because I’m cold.”
    ([56:55])
• Woody admits, “She definitely was on our radar. Let's just put it like that.”
  ([57:38])
• The theme of trusting gut instincts as an investigator is reiterated.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “All the head traumas I've seen, this has to be the worst or one of the worst or the most amount of damage I've ever seen to a human head.”
  — Dr. Corkin ([27:03])
• “Probable cause is 50% plus one, y’all. It's not beyond a reasonable doubt.”
  — Woody Overton ([13:03])
• “We needed to get him in. You need to get your hands on him.”
  — Woody Overton ([45:17])
• “She’d be totally innocent. But I was damn sure gonna find out.”
  — Woody Overton ([57:23])
• “The squeaky wheel gets the grease. And she had been the squeaky wheel the whole time.”
  — [57:38]
• Powerful reflection on confronting crime:
  • “Autopsies never bothered me, but just think about this lady who couldn't even walk and she was so severely beaten and now you throw on top of that that she's basically executed — gun to the back of the head.”
    — Woody Overton ([40:08])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment | |--------------|-------------------------------------------------| | 03:56 | Episode theme & extra graphic content warning | | 06:11–06:48 | Recap of previous episode & status of main suspect | | 13:03 | Probable cause vs. reasonable doubt explanation | | 13:44–16:07 | Detailed description of autopsy facility | | 27:03 | Pathologist’s reaction to victim’s injuries | | 30:02–31:14 | Discovery of the bullet wound during autopsy | | 39:07–39:31 | Sexual assault evidence findings | | 43:39–44:07 | Obtaining warrants | | 51:00–57:12 | Confronting the granddaughter, emergence as suspect | | 57:38 | Shift in investigative focus to granddaughter | | 58:00 | Cliffhanger ending & lead-in to Part 4 |

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Tone, Style, and Delivery

• Woody’s narrative is conversational, deeply personal, and unscripted, engaging listeners as though they’re present in the investigative room.
• The episode contains moments of gallows humor characteristic of law enforcement storytelling but never shies away from the grim reality of violent crime.
• The banter with co-host Calvin helps to break tension in the episode, and expert explanations make forensic and procedural elements accessible without diluting their gravity.

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Summary for Non-Listeners

This episode delivers a harrowing autopsy reveal, the intricacies of running down suspects with limited evidence, and a nuanced look at family dynamics surrounding a homicide. Listeners are guided through the practical, emotional, and ethical challenges faced by Woody and his team. While the initial suspect remains missing, the behavior of the victim’s granddaughter becomes increasingly suspicious — her defensive reactions and attempts to hide potential injuries lead investigators to consider her as a person of interest.

The episode ends on a cliffhanger: suspicions mount, but the case is far from solved. Woody promises there’s much more to unfold — particularly revelations never previously released to the public.

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Next Episode:
Stay tuned for Part 4, as Woody's investigation presses further, with new evidence and unexpected turns that challenge all prior assumptions.

Transcript

[Woody Overton]

Hey, y'.

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When the wolf is at your home you running over that's for sure

[Investigator/Assistant]

Already

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knows all about you Cut you down no matter about you now you better walk alive.

[Woody Overton]

Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

are 18 years or older.

[Woody Overton]

He my warning people. I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you will presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime Scenes what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're going to get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello, everybody, and welcome this episode of

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. Today, I'm going to be continuing the series titled Monsters as part three, Y', all. If you haven't listened to one and two, go back and listen to it.

[Woody Overton]

And again, I'm gonna give an extra warning today. I, you know, I. I gave the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

warning on part one, in part two,

[Woody Overton]

the extra warning about the brutality of it, and I. I don't know that

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

it meant as much to y' all lifers.

[Woody Overton]

I guess you were thought, you know, you hear more than you did or something like that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

To me, this case being the single worst crime scene.

[Woody Overton]

As an investigator, I work where one body is involved. I should clarify that homicide, I guess. When I'm bringing y' all back through this scene, I'm seeing everything in my mind. You know, I don't use any notes, and I'm raw and I'm unscripted and all that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So I'm literally 14 or 16 years

[Woody Overton]

later, however long it is. I'm taking myself back there, putting myself where I can see everything and smell everything, and. And so it's just really graphic in my mind. And that's. That's why I'm giving the warning. But today's episode is going to have some. Some tough stuff for you to hear in it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So if you.

[Woody Overton]

If you're gonna get offended, please turn it off now.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Turn this podcast off now.

[Woody Overton]

But before I get started, I want to do a correction. And y' all know sometimes I don't always say all the words, right?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

That, like Patreon is supposed to be Patreon.

[Woody Overton]

Or in the Rapids Burning series, I

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

said the DA's name.

[Woody Overton]

I pronounced his name incorrectly a couple times, whatever. Generally, I don't care. But I did. I had a life reach out to me a couple times in episode one and two when I was talking about

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the blood spatter, I called it splatter.

[Woody Overton]

But an L is definitely not splatter, y'. All.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

It's blood spatter. Okay?

[Woody Overton]

So I will correct that. And I stand correct or I sit correct and now telling you about it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So spatter, S P A T T E R. All right, so let's get into it.

[Woody Overton]

Stay tuned to the end of the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

show for some announcements.

[Woody Overton]

It's the morning after the body was discovered in the. In episode one and two, I took

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

you through the crime scene and last

[Woody Overton]

time I left you, I told you

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

what we had recovered from Walmart, which the video and the receipt of the

[Woody Overton]

guy who did at this time was our only suspect.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But he was the son in law

[Woody Overton]

of the victim who lived in the residence where the 82 year old white

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

female was found brutally murdered.

[Woody Overton]

And again, my heart goes out to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the family, but he's gone. In fact, he was seen in, in the middle of the night coming out of a Walmart in Mississippi by a family member.

[Woody Overton]

Just a chance freak encounter, right? That still trips me out to this day.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But so we meet at the office

[Woody Overton]

and we had eight detectives at the time. Now I think Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office has like 30. But out of the eight, two would have been on the night shift. So we had six if nobody was on vacation.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And this was, I think it was

[Woody Overton]

the week before Thanksgiving. And anyway, everybody's there for the meeting. And so we start working over.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

We call it kicking the can, right?

[Woody Overton]

Or, or session. You know, you got to get it together. I mean, this is an obvious death

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

penalty case because of the victim's age

[Woody Overton]

and certainly a death penalty case because

[Investigator/Assistant]

of the brutality of the crime.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So it's important and we didn't rush, but you know, in any investigation you

[Woody Overton]

have to go where the evidence leads you.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And at this time, other than the victim's granddaughter saying that she believed this missing male was kidnapped by some and

[Woody Overton]

she didn't say black, she said the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

N words over and over and over again. Drug dealers and that they had done this to her grandmother, we didn't have any suspects. All we knew is this, this guy is missing and he lived in the house, he left work early the day before and in, you know, he's gone. So what do you do?

[Woody Overton]

You got to start, you got to,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

you got to hit him and hit him hard.

[Woody Overton]

You got to run him down until he shows up or you can exclude him or something else turns up in that's hotter, if you will. So we start working on him. Now. One of the things I want to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

do was go to his work and

[Woody Overton]

talk to the people that he worked

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

with and see what he said when he came in the office the day before.

[Woody Overton]

That son said he came in and

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

he left early or way early is

[Investigator/Assistant]

what I think he said.

[Woody Overton]

But he had to have more contact. I don't know if he had a secretary or whatever, but we need to go over and find out.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But there are other things we need to find out, including we already knew he had a company truck, but we

[Woody Overton]

need to know what? What's more of the rules in the company truck. If he doesn't show up in it,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

are you going to report it stolen?

[Woody Overton]

Right. Did he show up for work today? We don't know.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And we want to know does he

[Woody Overton]

have a company cell phone?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

If so, can we get access to it?

[Woody Overton]

Or we're going to have to get a warrant. And does he have company credit cards

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and how does he get his money?

[Woody Overton]

I mean, we just really didn't know much about him. Now, there was a long night process

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

in the scene and the last thing

[Woody Overton]

we learned was that he had been

[Investigator/Assistant]

seen in Mississippi

[Woody Overton]

while we were still

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

on the scene processing. So we need to get the detective

[Woody Overton]

to go or detectives to go to his work and just find out any kind of information that they can, you know, about his habits and his financial means and everything. So somebody was assigned to go do that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I don't remember who, and they left to go do that.

[Woody Overton]

We scheduled the autopsy for later that

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

afternoon and we needed to get back with the family, specifically this guy's wife,

[Woody Overton]

the victim's daughter, and find out the same thing we're going to find out at his work.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

You know, what was it, where his habits, his cell phone company, we needed the name of that when they need his bank.

[Woody Overton]

We need just anything that we can get to start tracking this guy and

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

looking for him now, right now, we

[Woody Overton]

didn't have any charges on them.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And what are you going to do, a BOLO or be on the lookout for?

[Woody Overton]

You going to put it out there

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to the whole world? We're looking for a guy driving a maroon colored truck.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, that's something else we needed from his work. The license plate number from the truck, the registration that the truck's going to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

come back to so we can enter him into ncic.

[Woody Overton]

But still,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

what are you going to enter? We needed a charge, all right, and so came up with the idea that we needed to get some type of

[Investigator/Assistant]

warrant form and came up with the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

idea that we had probable cause, depending

[Woody Overton]

really on what the people said to work. But I was going to try to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

get probable cause to have him charged with possession of cocaine just so we can make the BOLO or be on the lookout for ballot also at the company.

[Woody Overton]

If he doesn't show up for work,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

what is his rules on that truck?

[Woody Overton]

If he doesn't show up for work

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and he's in the company truck, does he have to call in or is he not to drive the truck when

[Woody Overton]

he's not at work? If we can get something like that in Louisiana. That charge would be unauthorized use of

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

a movable, not auto theft.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And explain the difference. An auto theft is when you steal

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

a vehicle and you tend to permanently

[Woody Overton]

deprive the owner of the vehicle. Meaning like somebody gets in your shit and they're gone. Right. And they don't know them or anything like that. Unauthorized use of a move is like

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

let's say your roommate takes your car

[Woody Overton]

without your permission and goes to wherever and they come back.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

If you want to charge them with it, you can.

[Woody Overton]

That's actually a charge in the state

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

of Louisiana that you can they use your vehicle without your permission.

[Woody Overton]

Unauthorized use of. And a lot of times in these work cases where people wouldn't return vehicles, that's what we charge them with. Unauthorized use of a movable.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I mean movable, because it could be

[Woody Overton]

a boat or hell, a bicycle or whatever.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

If it's something that drove and you didn't have permission to use it as a charge.

[Woody Overton]

But we had to start somewhere and we were starting in scratch. And the Probable cause is 50% plus 1, y'.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

All.

[Woody Overton]

It's not beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

You do not have to wait to make an arrest in especially in a homicide case till you have beyond a reasonable doubt.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And you've heard me talk about a case in the past like Courtney Cocos

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and they're now they're waiting to go

[Woody Overton]

be way beyond reasonable to doubt anything that a defense attorney is going to prove a trial. But you'd never solve a case in the world if you, if you conducted law enforcement like that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Again, we're following the lead.

[Woody Overton]

We got to get some type of charge on Guy.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

That's our main thing. So Calvin and I went to the

[Woody Overton]

autopsy and again the autopsies at the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

time were conducted in a metal building behind Seals Funeral Home in Denim Springs, Louisiana. And that metal building, I'll describe it

[Woody Overton]

to you as you walk up.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

There's a, the roll up door.

[Woody Overton]

If you face in the building, there's

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a roll up door where they would

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back the hearse and stuff in like

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a roll up metal door to your left and to the right.

[Woody Overton]

It's like a little porch, an overhang

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with the main door that you walk in on in there's no secretary or anything.

[Woody Overton]

You walk in, there's like a, a little love seat and a corner to your right.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And guess what's directly across from that.

[Investigator/Assistant]

The bodies.

[Woody Overton]

Like you see in the movie where they have the silver wall and the doors that open and the trays that come out and the bodies are on.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

That's it, that's the coolers.

[Woody Overton]

This building was made for efficiency, not for comfort.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

It certainly wasn't made for the public to view.

[Woody Overton]

Then you walk right past the bodies

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and there's a right on the right hand side of that love seat was a small enclosed half bath, a toilet and a sink and, and a door.

[Woody Overton]

Right as soon as you walk past that on the right hand side is the first body station is what I'll call it. And that's where they embalm the bodies

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and stuff for the funerals. And you take a.

[Woody Overton]

It's that room y' all is like a yellow ceramic tile.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The floors and even the walls over halfway up and then there, there is a, a metal table, a slab if you will, where the bodies were embalmed and they have hoses that are connected

[Woody Overton]

to it, et cetera and they go

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and run into a drain and then

[Woody Overton]

it's pretty gruesome to think about but I mean that's how all the bodies are done. Basically the embalming equipment was in that ring.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But that room dead ends.

[Woody Overton]

But right before you get to that table you take a left into a

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

doorway and inside the door you're standing, you walk into the doorway, you stand in, in between two more body setups, table setups and the one to your left and one to your right.

[Woody Overton]

The one to the left is where we always conducted the autopsies. Unless you had multiple victims and sometimes

[Investigator/Assistant]

they would use two tables.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So we get there, we go in the corner is there.

[Woody Overton]

They have to document everything for we have to match up the photos on the body bag and all that. And the corner is going to be there period for the autopsy. But the coroner does not conduct the autopsy itself. The corner, I mean the forensic pathologist

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

who was contracted by Livingston Parish conducted the autopsies. Reason why didn't have that many murderers.

[Woody Overton]

I mean there's no reason to have a full time pathologist like a big city. And the guy that did it was

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Dr. Corkin and he was a genius and he was, you have heard me

[Woody Overton]

talk about him in past episode like

[Investigator/Assistant]

pants on the ground etc.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Just a genius. And he was an elderly man, short, bald headed, but.

[Woody Overton]

And every time he'd come in he would bring his wife and I'm sure

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

they're both deceased by now. And his wife was a career like

[Woody Overton]

a nurse I believe, like an rn. But she was in the early stages of dementia.

[OCD Testimonial Speaker]

You know, I've spent a lot of years investigating some of the Darkest cases out there and seeing things most people couldn't imagine. But I'll tell you this, the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with

[Woody Overton]

wasn't out on the scene. It was happening in my own mind.

[OCD Testimonial Speaker]

I have ocd and for a long time I didn't even realize that's what it was. You see, OCD is nothing like the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

stereotypes you hear about.

[Woody Overton]

It's not being need or organized and

[OCD Testimonial Speaker]

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[Woody Overton]

But she would come in case he needed any assistance or whatever.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But Dr. Corcoran would come in and

[Woody Overton]

they had lights in these rooms.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But he would come in, he'd bring

[Woody Overton]

his own stuff in, his own autopsy

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

tools, and he brought this, this tall lamp and it looked like it came

[Woody Overton]

from Walmart but had like six bulbs on it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And he would bring it in.

[Woody Overton]

That's one of the items he'd get when he'd come in. And so we're there. The body's been placed on the table. Dr. Corgan comes in and he brings in his, his lampstand, plugs it in and he's like, you know, he's always got something funny to say, but he,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

he was a dry humor, if you

[Woody Overton]

will, you know, but anyway, he comes in, we match up the, the tag

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

on the bag, he holds it up

[Woody Overton]

for us, we verify with the pictures, he verifies with the picture.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Now, y', all, he's been doing this forever.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, he's done thousands autopsies and he's testified in hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of murder trials. And, but I told him, I say, doc, and you know, this is what we have before we began. And I told him about the 82 year old victim. I told him about the severe trauma to the head.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And he's got, he's, he's kind of

[Woody Overton]

quiet, man, he's shaking his head and

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

he's listening and he's taking it all in.

[Woody Overton]

Now this guy has seen so many

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

thousands of dead bodies and we established

[Woody Overton]

a chain of custody and cut the tag on the bag. And y', all, these bags are black like nylon. And that's on the table. And what, he takes over. We don't, we don't do anything from that point on unless he wants a photograph or needs some type of information. But we stand, we stand there and we observe.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And so what he does is cuts

[Woody Overton]

the lock, okay, and we take the pictures, all that. Then he does everything. He's, he's, he's got his pants on. Yes, half the time they would fall to the ground, but he's got on his scrubs, if you will.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And then he puts on his scrubs.

[Woody Overton]

He would change before he started it. Puts on his scrubs and he unzips the bag.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Then he folds the bag open onto the metal table.

[Woody Overton]

Not where the, the sides were exposed,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

but enough where he could begin to process or to begin to view and process the body. So he unzips the bag, pulls it

[Woody Overton]

down, opens it up.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Then he will lift her up and pull the bag without turning it to

[Woody Overton]

the left or right where anything could spill out.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He pulls the bag down until the

[Woody Overton]

victim is laying on the table.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Then he takes that bag and puts it to the side.

[Woody Overton]

But nothing can spill out of it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And that's important.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Later on, I'll tell you why.

[Woody Overton]

So the victim is now on the table and she's still in her, her

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

nightgown.

[Woody Overton]

And I told him about it being pushed up, possible sexual assault in the panties, pulled down, possible sexual Assault. I also told him what I observed

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

about the blood not being on the panties, the blood spatter not being on the panties, like it was all over

[Woody Overton]

the walls and everything. And I even showed him some pictures

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

of the walls and. And what it looked like before, what

[Woody Overton]

her underwear and everything looked like. Obviously, we rolled her over and put her in the bag, because then the underwear got some blood on it. So I showed him those pictures, and he's like, okay.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So he cuts her gown off, puts

[Woody Overton]

it in an evidence bag. Why?

[Investigator/Assistant]

Because it's going to be sent in

[Woody Overton]

for DNA looking for hair fibers or anything like that. But there was nothing obvious on the clothing.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And so now you have your victim, the deceased, on the table. They're laying face up, nude, and he always starts with the head, and he works his way down to the feet.

[Woody Overton]

Now, the problem, that's not a problem, but the issue with this one was the condition.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I told you about the victim's head. It just was unbelievable.

[Woody Overton]

And Dr. Corkin, when he. He stopped and the bags put to the side, and he's looking at her. He just. I mean, I told you, he's kind of quiet guy, unless he said one of his funny jokes, but he's looking

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and he's staring and he's looking. And he looked up at me.

[Woody Overton]

He didn't say anything.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And we met eyes.

[Woody Overton]

He looked back down.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He looked back at me, and he said, that's going to be a death penalty.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And I said, yes, sir, I believe

[Woody Overton]

that in my heart.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And he said, well, you.

[Woody Overton]

You know, I always do great work.

[Investigator/Assistant]

He said, but we're really going to have to take our time on this one. He said, all the head traumas I've

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

seen, this has to be the worst or one of the worst or the most amount of damage I've ever seen

[Investigator/Assistant]

to a human head.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And y', all, you look at it, it's just.

[Investigator/Assistant]

It's just doesn't exist.

[Woody Overton]

I can't. I don't know how to put it

[Investigator/Assistant]

in context for you, and I'm not trying to sensationalize, but what he has

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to do, he starts to observe the

[Woody Overton]

head from the outside in the hair,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and he's going through now with each tear, and there were so many. Each tear, he would take a ruler and put it up against the tear,

[Woody Overton]

and then he would say, take a picture of it. And then take a picture of it, Right? So why. Of course, it's going to help determine the cause of death, but he's trying to count all the damage to the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

head and it's just too much.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I mean, we took picture after picture.

[Woody Overton]

But the problem was there were so

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

many blows to the head that he

[Woody Overton]

started on one side head and worked over and then we turned over into the backside of head.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But there were so many blows that

[Woody Overton]

some of them were overlapping.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So if you hit, hit, let's say it's a watermelon. You hit a watermelon with a hammer and you get the indentation and the tearing.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

If you hit the watermelon almost in the same spot spot, and the, the

[Woody Overton]

wounds are actually touching, then it just

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

kind of becomes a larger wound, right.

[Woody Overton]

Maybe with a little bit different shape on it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And that's how the victim's head look.

[Woody Overton]

It was really hard to tell or

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

get an accurate account on how many blows there were because a lot of them were overlapping beats of shit.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And it just.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I mean, I can't imagine what she went through.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Okay.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And the. Yeah, I just pray that maybe she,

[Woody Overton]

she was unconscious or, or something after like the first blow or whatever to,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to receive this much damage because I.

[Woody Overton]

But then again, I know she probably

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

wasn't because why would you continue to

[Woody Overton]

beat over and over again unless they

[Investigator/Assistant]

are fighting, unless they're resisting, unless they're still saying something.

[Woody Overton]

So I don't remember y' all exactly

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

how many blows he came up with. I think he quit at 30 something.

[Woody Overton]

Tears in the skull and the face and all that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

It could have been like way, way

[Woody Overton]

higher, but it was 30 something.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And then the.

[Woody Overton]

But by the time we photographed the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

whole head, the problem was not all the tears.

[Woody Overton]

When he turned her over and was going through the hair on the back head. Remember I told you it was blood everywhere. And then the tears and all that,

[Investigator/Assistant]

he found

[Woody Overton]

a hole.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Perfect, Almost perfect, you would say little hole on the back of her skull, which we, we couldn't have known on

[Investigator/Assistant]

the scene because of the amount of blood and then just, you know, the way everything was. But remember, he's going meticulously inch by inch over the head and he gets

[Woody Overton]

in and goes through all the hairs individually, etc.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And when he gets to that one

[Woody Overton]

spot and he, he stops and he

[Investigator/Assistant]

takes it, he cuts around and shaves

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

around the hole where it was.

[Woody Overton]

Well, once he does that and the bloody hairs out of the way and

[Investigator/Assistant]

all that, you see the hole and it was a bullet hole and there was tattooing around the wound, meaning it was a contact wound from a weapon.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

For, remember at the crime scene, I told you we found some bullets that were not shot unspent meaning that the bullet was still in the casing. Okay, when you look at a bullet for you, those of you don't know, when you look at a bullet, you have the metal part, which at the very end has the.

[Woody Overton]

The spot where the firing pin strikes.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And.

[Woody Overton]

And inside that metal part is the gunpowder, but inside the cavity of the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

metal part is the gunpowder.

[Woody Overton]

The bullet itself, the metal part actually

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

fits into the end of that, what

[Investigator/Assistant]

we call the casing.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The casing is where the gunpowder is housed.

[Woody Overton]

When the firing pin strikes it, it

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

creates a spark, which makes the gunpowder inside the casing explode.

[Woody Overton]

And the power of that explosion is what propels the bullet out. Now, I know y' all probably all know this, but I'm just telling my story.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Let me go, okay?

[Woody Overton]

Let me do what I do.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

When the bullet is propelled out, what remains behind is the empty casing.

[Woody Overton]

Okay? Remember I told you I found one

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

empty casing at the scene, but I also found.

[Woody Overton]

And it was a.22 long. Okay? And the difference between a.22 long and.22 short. I didn't explain that on the.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

On the previous episode.

[Woody Overton]

A.22 long only fits in certain types of.22 rifles or pistols is just that

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the casing is a little bit longer.

[Investigator/Assistant]

If the.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The bullet size is the same, it's still a.22 caliber, but the casing contains more gunpowder. Therefore, it is a stronger propulsion that the bullet gets when it.

[Woody Overton]

Behind the explosion when it comes out.22 short.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

More commonly for pistols is still a.22 bullet, but less powder. And they won't fire from the same gun, especially older rifles. But there were. 22 shorts that were not spent, meaning

[Woody Overton]

they had not been fired. The bullet was still housed inside the casing, and the gunpowder still inside the casing and the.

[Investigator/Assistant]

The firing pen. And I struck him in the blood in the crime scene. But the one that we found spent was a.22 long.

[Woody Overton]

And I told Doc that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So he gets to a certain point,

[Woody Overton]

but all that's photographed, and then he

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

takes the bone saw, he rolls back

[Woody Overton]

over, takes the bone saw, and then

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

he makes a completely circular cut all the way around the skull. Now, this is a saw. It's a vibrating saw.

[Woody Overton]

It only cuts when it's making contact

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

with something, meaning that it doesn't spin freely the rest of the time.

[Woody Overton]

You don't have to worry about cutting yourself.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But he puts it against the skull, and he makes a perfect circle all

[Woody Overton]

the way around the top of your

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

head, cutting into the skull itself. And normally it's.

[Woody Overton]

It's a Sound that I'll never forget, no matter how many years I haven't done it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But the.

[Woody Overton]

He makes that cut around and he

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

takes a tool in, almost like a

[Woody Overton]

screwdriver, if you will, and then a

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

little hammer thing and hits the end, and it has to break the suction on the skull. And when it does that. Let me back up. Before he starts the sawing part, he. He makes a.

[Woody Overton]

An incision on the scalp and basically

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

peels all your hair and everything, basically your whole.

[Woody Overton]

All your skin.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He puts it to the front of your face, if that makes sense.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. Basically he scalps you and. But he starts in the back, takes

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

up all the skin, all the hair, and pulls it over and sets it on to the front of the skull, exposing the skull. So he can use the.

[Woody Overton]

The bone saw, if you will, the vibrate bone saw. That's when he makes the cut. Now, before he makes the cut again, he takes measurements of the skull, or

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

that bullet hole was. But also on this victim, he is

[Woody Overton]

now taking measurements or indentations from the

[Investigator/Assistant]

beating that she took to.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Because there's many, many fractures on a skull.

[Woody Overton]

So he had to figure it out. It's like a puzzle, and he had to figure out how to put it together. But once he takes the top of the head off, then he's able to go in and see what kind of damage there is to the brain. Now he's taking notes and he's doing his thing and he's jamming it out. And he goes inside. And one of the things they do is it takes the brain out. It takes all the organs out of your body at some point during autopsy

[Investigator/Assistant]

and weighs them and makes his notes.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But when he popped the skull and goes in, the brain was just tore up. And that was from.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And he said, they said this is going to be from the bullet. He said, I bet you the bullet's in here. He said, I don't think it's going to be intact. And he was right. There was no exit wound, but the bullet was a

[Woody Overton]

he.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He recovered soft shards of lead from

[Woody Overton]

inside the brain that it's kind of scattered when 22 is not a lot of lead in the bullet part. And when most time when it hits something, it'll flatten out or tear apart. And that's what happened on it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The bullet went into the brain and

[Investigator/Assistant]

just kind of turn it into mush and hit the skull and maybe bounce

[Woody Overton]

around a little bit and split up. So he's got to go through meticulously

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and pick the pieces out.

[Woody Overton]

And in case they try to put it back together and determine what caliber he based off his experience, he, he said I can already tell you it's going to be a 22 caliber.

[Investigator/Assistant]

From the size of the wound to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the skull, he couldn't tell you if

[Woody Overton]

it's 22 short or 22 long.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Just 22 bullet is the same size.

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[Woody Overton]

goes to the rest of the autopsy and you know, they cut you open and they take out all your organs and they weigh them

[Investigator/Assistant]

and all that stuff, right? He works from the head down and

[Woody Overton]

once you get, he gets done with

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the skull, he puts this, the you,

[Woody Overton]

the top of what's there on her top of you just go back on and put, put your face back on if you will.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Flips the skin back over and then

[Woody Overton]

goes to work down.

[Investigator/Assistant]

He and he cuts you from your

[Woody Overton]

neck down to your bottom of your

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

abdomen in cross and then he splits

[Woody Overton]

you open and takes out the organs and ways and et cetera. But that really wasn't really the problem on her.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He, he said I guarantee the cause

[Woody Overton]

of death was a.22 bullet.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He said it could have been the, it's from some that these other wounds to her skull.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said but he said why would

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

you shoot somebody, you know, if they

[Woody Overton]

weren't already dead or if they're already dead. But sometimes that happens. But either way he's got enough scientific

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

evidence to prove that.

[Woody Overton]

And what are we really worried about now?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The rape in because she was found with her night down up, etc.

[Woody Overton]

So he goes down, goes to all the organs.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I'll save you the, the time of it, right?

[Woody Overton]

He, he works the body like he's

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

done thousands of others and then he

[Woody Overton]

gets down to the vagina and all

[Investigator/Assistant]

that and then, and he did what

[Woody Overton]

he does and he said there's absolutely no sign of penetration out of anywhere. The anus, vagina.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He said no sign.

[Woody Overton]

I mean he's looking for hairs, collect any type, anything, right?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And there's nothing there. And he said, I, I just absolutely

[Investigator/Assistant]

can tell you that she wasn't raped, but even he still took swabs in

[Woody Overton]

case there was DNA or something like that. And I concluded the autopsy basically and his finding was it was definitely a

[Investigator/Assistant]

homicide and that shooters.

[Woody Overton]

Whether she died from the blows he

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

had, he couldn't say for sure. He can definitely say if she wasn't dead from the blows to the head and damage to her face and her

[Woody Overton]

skull, then she definitely died from the gunshot wound.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Contact gunshot wound to the back of the head. It's up and you know, I guess

[Woody Overton]

it's compounded for me because I've done

[Investigator/Assistant]

so many of that.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, autopsies never bothered me, but as far as seeing the body and all that stuff. But just, just think about this lady

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

who couldn't even walk and she was

[Woody Overton]

so severely beaten and now you throw

[Investigator/Assistant]

on top of that that she's been basically executed gun to the back of the head, whether it's a pistol or

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

rifle, whatever, but we only had one

[Investigator/Assistant]

spent shell casing and that was the long.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And I'm assuming From experience that the 20 long belongs to a rifle. So that means that she's laying halfway

[Woody Overton]

in and out of the door after

[Investigator/Assistant]

the beating and, and they take a rifle and put it to the back of her head and shoot her while she's face down, execute her like a. You wouldn't even do a rabbit dog that way.

[Woody Overton]

And I, I still don't have an

[Investigator/Assistant]

explanation for the.22 short bullets being in the crime scene.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So anyway,

[Woody Overton]

go back to the office to find out what other detectives have found out by going to his work and stuff like that. And this is what they said. They interviewed several and I'm not going

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to say names, they interviewed people that

[Woody Overton]

he worked with in the day prior. He came into work and he stayed like an hour, maybe hour and 45 minutes. But then he told one of them that worked there.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He said, oh, my stomach's messed up,

[Investigator/Assistant]

I don't feel good, I'm going to go home.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And he splits, right? Not to be seen again until approximately 2am in the morning coming out of Walmart, Mississippi. He did not have permission to, you know, use the truck to be in

[Investigator/Assistant]

Mississippi at 2 o' clock in the morning.

[Woody Overton]

We found that also he had not

[Investigator/Assistant]

called in on this day. Nobody of course they're still trying to call him and all that. His son's trying to call him etc. He's in the wind.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

His ghost cell phone was not theirs.

[Woody Overton]

He had access to I believe a company card. We got all the information on that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The detectives asked the owners or the owner you would say what, what did they want to do about the truck?

[Investigator/Assistant]

And if he didn't return the truck, the would they pursue charges for unauthorized use of removal. And the answer was yes.

[Woody Overton]

And he also had access to money the day before. And I believe it's like, I believe

[Investigator/Assistant]

it was like 3, 500 that he

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

was supposed to take care of and he did.

[Investigator/Assistant]

It wasn't done. So they were asked would they pursue charges on that also.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So we're getting back, we're having her beaten. That's.

[Woody Overton]

We found out he left work early, not been seen again. Got all his personal information, the work cards and stuff like that. So what do you do?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

No more calls are coming in and this has been on the news.

[Woody Overton]

I forgot to tell you the night

[Investigator/Assistant]

before the news was out there the whole time and not it would, you

[Woody Overton]

know, it was on the news for

[Investigator/Assistant]

10 o' clock and then it was

[Woody Overton]

on the news that morning.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And about the homicide of this, this

[Woody Overton]

lady, not no suspects names or anything like that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And what do you do?

[Woody Overton]

Well, you got to keep gathering information.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But we needed a warrant and so

[Woody Overton]

we made, we had typed up a Tina Stafford secretary.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

She's, I mean she already knew if

[Woody Overton]

I, if I told her a charge, she already knew what to say because she done thousands of them for us

[Investigator/Assistant]

over the year and then can't even call her secretary. She kind of ran the office and

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

said Tina, I need a warrant. Unauthorized use of movable. And gave the company's name and gave

[Woody Overton]

this guy's name and said he, he's gone with it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He was seen in Mississippi 2:00' clock in the morning.

[Investigator/Assistant]

He did not have permission and she typed it up. We also did a warrant and yes,

[Woody Overton]

it was a bit of a reach, but not.

[Investigator/Assistant]

It only has to be 50% plus one.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

We did a warrant for possession of cocaine being that it was found inside his residence. His wife did not know about it and he left work early and said

[Woody Overton]

he was going home and, and certainly

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the deceased wasn't doing cocaine, making lines

[Investigator/Assistant]

of cocaine on the coffee table in the living room.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So we got those warrants and went

[Investigator/Assistant]

and had a meeting with a judge

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and told him the truth.

[Woody Overton]

And this is where we're at and we need to get a BOLO on this guy, and this is what we have.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And unauthorized uses, slam dunk.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, that's in the possession of cocaine.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Could be inferred.

[Woody Overton]

He said he was going there.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

He lives there, and the cocaine was found there.

[Investigator/Assistant]

A little bit of reach, but, I mean, you got to do what you got to do, right? If they throw it out. So what the. You need to get him in. You need to get your hands on him.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So Calvin and I, we got the

[Woody Overton]

warrants, we enter him into ncs.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Oh, we got the vehicle information, the truck.

[Woody Overton]

So now if anybody, any cop in

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the United States of America, runs this license plate on this truck, it's going

[Woody Overton]

to come back as an unauthorized use,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

basically a stolen vehicle.

[Woody Overton]

And they're going to stop it, and they're going to arrest who's ever in

[Investigator/Assistant]

the vehicle because they don't have permission to be in it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And so that's.

[Woody Overton]

We get that done.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Get it started. It goes into the NCRC computer in.

[Woody Overton]

Any cop, if they happen to stop

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

him, will make their arrest.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Okay.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

We then go to meet with the

[Investigator/Assistant]

family sometime later that evening.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

It was at the sister's house who was married to the Baton Rouge city police officer. And we called.

[Woody Overton]

We called the victim's daughter, and that's where she was. We need to go get more information. We need to find out, like I said, about the cell phone and bank accounts and all this so we can

[Investigator/Assistant]

start tracking this guy.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And we go over there, and we get there. Outside is the female who kept using

[Investigator/Assistant]

the N word and had told us

[Woody Overton]

she believed it was drug dealers.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she's outside, and.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And she's smoking, and she has on long, long. A long sleeve shirt. Blue denim, like a lighter color.

[Woody Overton]

Not like a dark blue jean, but like a lighter color shirt.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

It's untucked, and it's all the way

[Woody Overton]

down to her hands.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she.

[Woody Overton]

She sees us pulling up, and she throws a cigarette butt out.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she puts her hands under her

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

arms and said, hey, we're here. See mama?

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she said, come on, I'll take you in.

[Woody Overton]

And she brought us a really nice

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

home, brought us into the home, and the mom and the sister was married

[Investigator/Assistant]

to the Baton Rouge city cop. And the Baton Rouge city cop were there.

[Woody Overton]

And we said, hey, we need to

[Investigator/Assistant]

talk to you and ask you some questions.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

She said, can my daughter be in the room?

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, and I was thinking, I

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

don't really want the one to be

[Investigator/Assistant]

in the room, but okay.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And she said, no, maybe my daughter who lives here.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And that was Baton Rouge City copswife.

[Woody Overton]

I said, that's fine.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

You can bring him in.

[Woody Overton]

So. So we go in the room and we just get. Start getting the general information. But she told us.

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, listen, I gotta tell you, my other daughter's not acting right in. Her sister conferred and then said, she's just all, you know, whacked out, if you will, and that. That's not the term they use, y'. All. It was something like that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And then I told him, I played it down right.

[Woody Overton]

I said, I. I get that and

[Investigator/Assistant]

understand and duly noted. I said, but, you know, everybody takes grief differently.

[Woody Overton]

Etc. I said, well, we're here for is information on him. We need his cell phone.

[Investigator/Assistant]

We need to know the name of the company.

[Woody Overton]

We got it.

[Investigator/Assistant]

We need to know his bank accounts and does he have any credit cards

[Woody Overton]

and all this stuff.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she said, yeah, I don't know. I'll get you the information. I'll get my daughter to get you the information, or son can go get it.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And, you know, basically, we want to

[Woody Overton]

know that, and certainly we want to know had they heard from and they

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

hadn't and gather all the information.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And of course, they're upset. And, you know, one day, do we have any leads? And we just say, hey, we're look.

[Woody Overton]

We're looking at everybody. We're working it hard.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she asked about her husband. I said, hey, you know. You know, we know he was seen

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

in Mississippi, but we had to tell

[Investigator/Assistant]

them, you know, that we did do the autopsy, and it was definitely homicide, and it did not go into that she was shot in the head, right?

[Woody Overton]

And they want to know how.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And we just said head trauma.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

We didn't release that back in.

[Woody Overton]

I'm kind of paraphrasing this. I mean, we certainly were there probably

[Investigator/Assistant]

an hour and a half with them talking to him, consoling on Calvin. And I, you know, again, Calvin is saying probably just as much as me in all this, but I'm telling the story right?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So we. We do what we do, and we're

[Investigator/Assistant]

gentle with the family, gentle with, you know, the victim's daughter, but we same time, we're pulling information, pulling information, pulling

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

information till we get enough where I

[Woody Overton]

look at Calvin, he looks at me,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and we're like, okay, we're done.

[Woody Overton]

But we go out into the hallway and see y'. All.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Y' all can just wait in here. Calvin and I are gonna talk to the living room for a minute, and, you know, we'll call you later or whatever.

[Woody Overton]

So we go in the hallway, and I told Him.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I say, hey, dude, we gotta. We need to go check that girl for injuries. He's like, you're right.

[Woody Overton]

In the end, we were kind of

[Investigator/Assistant]

whispering, and then she was. Turns out she was in the kitchen.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

She didn't hear us say.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And it's.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

We start to walk to.

[Woody Overton]

And turn to the kitchen part to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

go to the door, and there she is. And I'm like, hey, hey. And then called her name. I said, you know, do you mind

[Woody Overton]

coming to talk to. She said, I don't know why they

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

wouldn't want me in there.

[Woody Overton]

Talk. Y' all been in there talking all this time and why I couldn't come in? I said, I don't know. I mean, we were just getting information on your. Your stepdad and all his accounts and everything like that. She said, I just think it's funny that.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Blah, blah, blah. She just kind of went off. And I was like, just step outside. Talk to us.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And this was a clear, bluebird November

[Woody Overton]

day, but it's late in the evening.

[Investigator/Assistant]

The shadows were falling.

[Woody Overton]

The street lights hadn't come on yet, but it was almost that time, right?

[Investigator/Assistant]

Like 5, 5:15. I could just.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I see it in my mind's eye.

[Woody Overton]

And she's got that long thing on,

[Investigator/Assistant]

but guess what, she's got her hands tucked under her pits again, under armpits.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And I'm noticing that. And then you, Calvin, we just talked about it.

[Woody Overton]

And so we just talked to her a little bit. Hey, you hadn't heard from. No, I hadn't heard from that motherfucker. And da, da, da, da going on.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But then, you know, to her, maybe not to her, but to us, it

[Woody Overton]

was very clear

[Investigator/Assistant]

that she had her hands tucked away where we couldn't see them.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And so anyway, just go through bullshitting

[Woody Overton]

or three, whatever, trying to ease her back down off the family thing.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And. And she's just out there, right?

[Woody Overton]

And finally at some point, I said, hey, you know what?

[Investigator/Assistant]

Would you.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

In any investigation? I said, you are absolutely not a

[Woody Overton]

suspect or anything like that. I said, but, you know, you were there last night and you said you haven't seen this guy.

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, and I hadn't.

[Woody Overton]

I hadn't seen him in days.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I said, okay, and you were home,

[Woody Overton]

and you were home alone?

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, yeah. I said, can anybody prove that you

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were there by yourself?

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, what do you mean?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I said, I mean, like, did you

[Woody Overton]

outside and talk to one of your neighbors? Did you call your husband while he was at work? We can verify phones or anything like that.

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, why are you asking?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I said, you know what, Let me

[Woody Overton]

go ahead and advise you your rights.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I said, you are no way under arrest.

[Woody Overton]

I said, we talk, everybody we talk

[Investigator/Assistant]

to in this investigation, we're going to advise them their Miranda rights. I said, you have the right to remain silent.

[Woody Overton]

Anything.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Boy, her face just went ash and like, I mean just pale, pale blood just rained her feet, but she still

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

got her hands on her arms.

[Woody Overton]

You have the right to remain silent.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court law. You have the right to an attorney prior to and during any question. If you can't afford one accord point one for you. And look, she just goes might. Hey, you'd have thought I shot her or something. And she was like, why did you do that? I said, no, no, no, no.

[Woody Overton]

And I said, we do it for everybody.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, because I never know what people are going to tell me. And then I'm really talking almost like a child this morning I put my

[Woody Overton]

arm on, I said, it's okay, it's okay. And she kind of pulled away a

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

little bit and still kept her hands on her arms.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, look, I said that we got to ask everybody any questions, right?

[Woody Overton]

I said, I asked your sister whose house is this?

[Investigator/Assistant]

I asked her where she was and

[Woody Overton]

could anybody verify it, et cetera. We, we got to verify that your

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

mama wasn't home, you know.

[Woody Overton]

And we asked everybody questions and she was kind of like thrown, taken aback

[Investigator/Assistant]

by it, if you will.

[Woody Overton]

That's what, let me ask you this.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, it's not really cold today and it's, it's probably like 76 degrees, y'. All. It wasn't, it was a warm day for mid November.

[Woody Overton]

And I said, it's not really cold today. I said, are you cold natured? And she said, I don't know why.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, because you got this big

[Woody Overton]

long button up blue jean shirt on. And she said, so.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And I said and, but boy, she,

[Woody Overton]

I, I don't think she realized she did it.

[Investigator/Assistant]

She pushed her hands further under her armpits at that time.

[Woody Overton]

And I said, well, so just need

[Investigator/Assistant]

to know, are you cold nature? And she said, I don't understand.

[Woody Overton]

I said, but I said, I'm a short sleeves and in, or actually I was in a dress shirt with T.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

My, my shirt sleeves are rolled up.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, calvin's are rolled up.

[Woody Overton]

I said, hell, it wasn't cold in the house. I said, do you always wear long sleeve shirts like that?

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, yeah, yeah, I do.

[Woody Overton]

I said, well, are you cold right now? She said, well, no, because I got my shirt on.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And I said, well, let me ask you this. I said, why are you standing there with your arm, your hands underneath your armpits? And she was like.

[Woody Overton]

And she said, what do you mean? But she didn't take them out. I said, ever since we turned into

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

the driveway when we got here, you've had.

[Woody Overton]

You saw us, you threw your cigarette

[Investigator/Assistant]

out, and you put your hands underneath your armpits. And she said, well, I always keep my hands on them armpits.

[Woody Overton]

That's well cool. I said, I get that. I mean, different stroke, different folks, right?

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, but do you mind if

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I look at your hands?

[Investigator/Assistant]

She said, what do you want to

[Woody Overton]

look at my hands for? She kind of started going off. I said, because I just want to look at him.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I said, do you have any cuts or anything on your hands?

[Woody Overton]

Fresh cuts.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Yeah, I'm thinking fat drops. Fat drops in the master bedroom. Fat drops through the crime scene, the broken vase, the bottle, blood that I didn't. Not spatter.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Blood drops all throughout the house, including the gun cabinet in different places. And I'm thinking, you know, this.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, I really didn't probably think

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

that she had anything to do with

[Woody Overton]

it, but I, I. She kind of gave me the. The gut instinct from when we first got on the scene, and she was

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

doing all that hollering and screaming and.

[Woody Overton]

Yes, and I get there's different stages of grief and. And everybody handles it differently, but I

[Investigator/Assistant]

didn't do it long enough. Guess what?

[Woody Overton]

I know whenever I get that little

[Investigator/Assistant]

gut feeling, I listen to it, right? And now she's really upset, and I don't have anything.

[Woody Overton]

I don't have any proof. I haven't. We haven't had chance to go talk to her neighbors and see if she

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

was at home or pull phone records or cell phone records or, you know, to the.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I didn't know if she had a cell phone.

[Woody Overton]

Cell phone, you know, if we get a search warrant to see if her cell phone was pinging off the tower by the victim's house, I had nothing at this point other than a gut instinct.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she said, I'm not showing you my hands.

[Woody Overton]

She said, am I under arrest?

[Investigator/Assistant]

I said, no, you're not.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Unrest.

[Woody Overton]

I've told you, you're not under arrest. And she said, but I, you know, she said, I cut myself all the time. And I had. Yeah, I wear long sleeves because I'm cold.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And, yeah, I'm just not.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And she said, you know what?

[Woody Overton]

I Don't have anything else to say.

[Investigator/Assistant]

She turned around, she went inside, slammed the door. How you living?

[Woody Overton]

How you like that? And guess what?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

She'd be totally innocent.

[Woody Overton]

But

[Investigator/Assistant]

I was damn sure gonna find out. The guy told me, stepdad's in the

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

wind,

[Investigator/Assistant]

but the squeaky wheel gets the grease. And she had been the squeaky wheel the whole time. Calvin and I load up, we're both thinking the same thing. She definitely was on our radar. Let's just put it like that. So y', all, 50 minutes in, we're

[Woody Overton]

going to go ahead and stop it

[Investigator/Assistant]

right there for this episode. You do not know what's going to happen. Even if you know this case, you. It is simply crazy.

[Woody Overton]

All right?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Victims son in laws and when victims granddaughter gave me the heebie jeebies, maybe

[Investigator/Assistant]

not the heebie jeebies.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The victim's granddaughter gave me Paul's if you will.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And she put herself on the radar.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, so I'm stopping from there and look this, I'm telling you I don't

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

have any notes, I haven't looked at anything. And I'm recording this strictly from my visual memory.

[Woody Overton]

So if I get some minor detail wrong or whatever, then it is what it is.

[Investigator/Assistant]

It's not with mal intent.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But I'm stopping this part three of

[Investigator/Assistant]

Monsters for this week.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I'm going through continue to do the

[Woody Overton]

series until I get done telling the story.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And listen, there's a hell of a

[Woody Overton]

lot more to come and stuff that

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

was never ever released.

[Investigator/Assistant]

So that being said, thank you for tuning in and listening to part three of Monsters.

[Woody Overton]

Couple show notes y'. All before we close out, I would just again want to thank everybody for, for listening and liking and tuning in.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

And if you get a chance go

[Woody Overton]

leave us a review on itunes. It helps us out the stats.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I don't know why, but it does.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Check out our social media Instagram.

[Woody Overton]

I think I'm up to like 6,000 followers on the it's at real life, real crime and at 6,000 followers just

[Investigator/Assistant]

on that which yeah, you know I

[Woody Overton]

post different stuff on there every day.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I try to post at least one

[Woody Overton]

different picture or a video or something every day. And some of it's true crime related,

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

some of it's not but most of it's funny.

[Woody Overton]

It's different than anything you're going to

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

get on the rest of our social media. Rest of social media, Facebook page or

[Woody Overton]

private group which is real life, real crime.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Friends, fans and crew K R E W E Again it's Louisiana play on words.

[Woody Overton]

We just passed 28, 000 members in a private crew page. And look, it's y'.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

All.

[Woody Overton]

That page is dedicated to true crime. If I post something that's different or something that's posted is different, that then I gave permission for too. And if I post something that's different and guess what, it's my page.

[Investigator/Assistant]

I want to.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I think it's pertinent enough to post it.

[Woody Overton]

But that's for our die hard lifers who love true crime and they get

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to go in and do posts about true crime stuff.

[Woody Overton]

And you go in there, it's a lot. If you like real life, real crime, you're going to love that crew page.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Go join the we have the real

[Woody Overton]

life real crime Lanyat page which is another private group for our lifers.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

You can go in there and post anything, anything you want.

[Woody Overton]

Doesn't have to be true crime related. We had to do that because we

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

were getting some requests to post and that.

[Woody Overton]

And I think that's, that's in the thousands of members also.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But if you have hobbies or you sell them, whatever, go post it in there.

[Woody Overton]

And I post a lot of stuff in there also. And then we have a regular pages and all that. And look, if I get so many

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

friend requests today, I cannot accept any more friends.

[Woody Overton]

Facebook blocks you out at 5,000. I don't want anybody to think I'm, I'm being an ass. I would love to, you know, have y' all be my friends and Facebook, but I can't, I'm blocked from Facebook from doing that. So I do have a regular real

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

life girl crime page where you can message me or do posts or whatever

[Woody Overton]

and I will answer you. And I, I do spend a lot of time on social media and I try to answer everybody. If I miss something, I apologize because that's a lot to keep up with.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

But generally some.

[Woody Overton]

Sometimes I'll find messages somebody send me on a page I hadn't been to in like two or three days and

[Investigator/Assistant]

I messaged him back.

[Woody Overton]

So anyway, life is. I just love you to death. Thank you so much, patron members.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Absolutely.

[Woody Overton]

Thank you so much for the support

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

and continue to support us. And your financial donation makes the the show go. You're going to be getting your full length episode November episode.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, well, you know what I want to tell everybody.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Happy Thanksgiving. I'm recording this Monday before Thanksgiving.

[Woody Overton]

Happy Thanksgiving to all your lifers. Love and appreciate each and every one of you.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

I hope you have a blessed great turkey day. Stay safe from the COVID It's Just

[Woody Overton]

crazy times, right, with the COVID and everything. But anyway, I hope you all stay safe and appreciate and love each and

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

every one of you. Lopa, Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency Go to

[Woody Overton]

lopa.org Sign up To be an organ

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

donor takes like two minutes.

[Woody Overton]

When you go there, if you choose

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

to do so, you. And when you are deceased, if your organs are chosen to be used, then

[Investigator/Assistant]

you're going to save a life or lives.

[Woody Overton]

And I mean I know one Lopa

[Investigator/Assistant]

donor saved like six lives.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

These.

[Woody Overton]

There are people out there that need your organs. You're not going to need them when you're dead. And it's a very, very, very slim

[Investigator/Assistant]

chance that they're going to use your organs. It has to be under certain conditions when you die that, that they can be used.

[Woody Overton]

They don't just have a massive warehouse

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

full of organs, y'.

[Investigator/Assistant]

All.

[Woody Overton]

It's, it's very.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

When you, when you go deceased, when

[Investigator/Assistant]

you go to cease when you die,

[Woody Overton]

they, if you fit the criteria, then

[Investigator/Assistant]

they have a team that comes in and does that.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So be a hero, give the gift of life, give the gift of sight

[Woody Overton]

these and you know and use all your organs, right? But when you go to local.org sign up under the Livingston Parish Literacy and Technology center.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

The they they the when you go

[Woody Overton]

sign up, they ask you how'd you hear about them? Go to the Livingston Parish Literacy and Technology Center.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Livingston Parish lp.

[Investigator/Assistant]

You think I know it.

[Woody Overton]

How many times I said about now?

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

LP ltc.

[Woody Overton]

Go to the section Criminal justice students.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Check that box.

[Woody Overton]

You know why there's people out there

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

doing great work with this.

[Woody Overton]

Not one with students, but the Kelly

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Jennings the criminal justice teachers, just phenomenal. And Kim Albin, the principal and Southeastern is, is part of the Livingston Parish

[Woody Overton]

Literacy and Technology center in Yalda Southeastern Louisiana University.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And Ms. Crystal,

[Woody Overton]

she's part of that too. And they're the ones that turn me on to Lopa.

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

So just go sign up, be a hero, give the gift of life.

[Investigator/Assistant]

And tune in next week for part four of Monsters. And I'm Woody Overton, the host of

[Calvin (Co-host or Detective)]

Real Life Real Crime, the podcast until next time or ever.

[Investigator/Assistant]

Don't let me catch you down on murder by you. Peace.

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