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You know, something like, I had my Miranda rights read to me. I understand my Miranda rights. I do not want a lawyer at this time. I consent to answer questions. No promises or threats have been made to me. I'm. I'm freely, involuntarily answering questions at this time. I. I can. I know I have the right to stop answering or questions at any time, something like that, right? I'm paraphrasing him.

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Woody Overton (17:02)

It's not being need or organized, and

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so we get through that part. I look at him say hey, I want to sign, I want to sign, I want, I want, I want to answer. And I said you Know what? We shouldn't let you. I said, we don't need you to answer questions. He said, but no, no, no, I want to tell you what happened. I'm going to tell you what happened. And inside I'm going, yes, yes, and I'll just want. At this point, I didn't give a what. He said, we did have the evidence and evidence is everything. We could have done his ass, but it always would have been that doubt. Or a defense attorney could have said, you know, whatever, he, he bled in the house on an earlier date or whatever. I mean, there's, on a case like this, any type of confession is better than no confession. Although the evidence would have won the day. So he signs consent, the question part, and I witness it and Calvin witnesses it. And so I sat back and I said, you say you want to talk. And he said, yeah, I do. Now again, I'm reading him, I'm looking at him. He just absolute narcissistic and, and thinks he's the smartest person in the room. And he's had that hour and something or two hours since whatever light bulb went off in his head that he thinks, well, I, I can get out of this. I'm smarter than him, right? So I said, well, what do you got to say for yourself? And he said, well. He said, And you know, it in my fault. I said, what do you mean it in your fault? He said, he said, well, the, you know, it's just not my fault that, that she's dead. I said, well, whose fault is it? I said, let's go back to that day you went to work and you told him you had a sick stomach. And what happened from there when you left work? He said, well, I had access to some money, couple thousand dollars. And he said, I, I really wasn't sick. He said, I want to get high. And he said, I've had a cocaine problem for years and years and years. And he said, I, I, I'm not a bad man. He said, but I have a cocaine problem. I said, and he said, oh, I wouldn't bought a bunch of coke. And, and I said, cocaine? He said, yeah. And I said, powder cocaine? He said, yeah. I said, what'd you do? He said, well, I went to my residence and I went in the living room and I started shooting up cocaine. I said, all right. I said, you mean pushing it, banging it? He said, yeah, and inserting it in a needle, liquefying and then putting a needle and, and shooting in my arm. I said, okay, and what happened at this point? Y', all, you want to let him talk in and we know what we know, right? And I want him to say what he has to say to put himself there and whatever fantasy he's going to give us, then I can come back and ask questions or Calvin and I can come back and ask questions that, you know, they have based off the evidence that we know. And he said, well, I was pushing dope, I was pushing the cocaine and I was getting real high. And he said, and my mother in law walked in on me and she saw me and she started freaking out. She was screaming my name. Said, I can't believe you're doing. I can't believe you're doing drugs again. I'm calling your wife, I'm calling my daughter. And. And he said, she turned around to go back down the hall. And he said, I was so high that I just lost it. He said, but he said I was so high that I didn't know what I was doing. I said, okay, I mean, obviously I know he's full of shut. I said, and I had a million questions I wanted to ask. And. But I said, so what happened? He said, she turned to go down the hallway. And he said, I followed her. And he said I was begging her, please don't call, please don't tell on me. And she said, I'm calling, I'm calling. And he said, she went into the bedroom and was going for the phone. And he said, and I blacked out. I said, what do you mean blacked out? He said, I blacked out. And he said, I said, okay, what happened then? He said, well, I went back in the living room, I was shooting cocaine again. And he said, and then later on I left. All right, victory for us, right? First of all, he puts himself at the scene. Not a total victory yet, but we're just getting started. We're about to get really get into the juice, right? And. But he hasn't explained dick. And I know what was weighing on his mind is the fat drops of blood. And he's in self preservation. And we all have it. You know when you're a kid and you ask your mom, can you have a cookie before dinner? And she says, no. And so you're sneaking in and you get in the cookie out of the cookie jar and that jar falls and breaks at your feet and you're standing in cookies and glass and you got a cookie in your hand and your mom comes in and says, you do that. You're like, what, me? Right? He's in that. He's Full blown self preservation mode. Also, I think he's trying to read us and try to figure out, you know, how to explain it. And in his mind, what he said thus far is he was so high that he was mentally incapable of being responsible for the murder of the victim. So I told him, I said, listen, the, you were there and you followed her down the hallway. I said, obviously she didn't make the phone call to your wife. I said, so I'm gonna tell you what happened. I said, calvin, give me the file. And he gave me the file and I started laying out the pictures of the victim's body in the hallway and all the blood and all the blood in the blood spatter on the walls and the broken glass and the shell casings in the blood, the spent one and, and the 22 shorts that weren't fired. And you know, he's looking at it, he's looking at it in it, and he's got these big thick glasses on one and he's looking at him. Pushes his glass back up on the nose. And you know, most people, when you, when you shock value them with the crime scene photos, they show some remorse, right? Or shock or, or maybe, you know, a lot of them do things in the heat of the moment that when you show them the real brutality of it that they'll, they'll start crying. They'll, you know, they'll be like, yeah, I'm so sorry. Oh my God, I can't believe I did this. Data. Nothing. You could, what you could see on his face was his brains run a million miles a second. He's trying to figure out how he's going to explain this. So I told him, I said, listen, I've been doing this a long time and you can shoot up all the cocaine in the world, it's not going to make you black out. I said, so I believe that you are trying to tell the truth. I said, and I want to believe that you're a good guy. I said, you're a Christian man in your family. Talk us about how you testify in church. You tell your testimony about how your, your cocaine addiction, how you overcame it years ago. I said, look, you got a grown son. I said, you've got stepdaughters, you've been married to your wife for some years now. I said, you got a good job. I said, I understand the addiction part. I said, but you cannot take that lame ass story in to a jury and say, oh, I just wiped out and I left and I don't know what happened. I said, you know, and you went on the run, dude. I said, so obviously you knew what happened. I said, so you got to help me help you. I said, if you're not a monster, then you've got to tell everything you know, and you just got to do it. As. I said, you're the only one that can help you. I start, certainly you are trying to help yourself. I said, but you haven't done it yet. I said that you've got to tell the whole truth. I said, so back to it. You left work, you go buy a bunch of coke. I said, was anybody else with you? No, no, no, no. No way. Nobody was with me. Absolutely not. Big red flag for me. Big red flag for Calvin. I know. I knew he was lying right then and. But impress him on it. I want more details. I said, all your years are doing cocaine. I said, you ever blacked out before? And he said, no. I said, then you can tell me the truth about what happened. I said, so you're in the living room by yourself? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely by myself. I didn't have anybody with me. There was nobody there. It was just me. Again, I know he's fucking lying now. And I said, well, then she comes in, she catches you. I believe that. I said, what can you tell me about her physical health? He said, what do you mean? I said, well, if you're in the living room shooting up coke, banging dope, how do you not hear her coming down the hallway on a walker? And he got quiet and he thought for a second and he said. He said, I'm. I don't know how I didn't hear, to be honest with you. So I don't know. I said, I mean. I said, don't walkers make noise especially on that linoleum floor? He said, yeah, you write about that. He said, I got no explanation for that. He said, the first thing I knew is, is I looked up and she was there and she starts screaming at me and how she's going to tell my wife. And he said, you know. And I did. He said, I followed her down the hallway and I begged her not to. Excuse me for a second, Toby. Boom. He said, I begged her not to. And she was going into the bedroom. I said, what happened at that moment? This is where you tell me that you blacked out. I said, the phone was ripped from the wall. I said, you saw the photographs, her walkers on the floor in between the bed and the doorway. She's laying half in and out of the doorway and she's beat the. He said, yeah, you're right. He said, when she entered into the bedroom, she was trying to get the phone. I pushed around her, I ripped it out of the wall, knocked her walker to the floor. And he said she was kind of holding on to the doorway. And he said she was just screaming and she wouldn't shut up and that she was going to call my wife. And he said, I grabbed something and I started beating her up with it. He said, I said, tell me about that. I said, what'd you grab? He said, I don't remember. It was something glass. And. And I started beating her with it. I said, what happened? He said, she went down to the ground. And I said it. What happened? He said, whatever I was beating her with broke. And he said, but he said, I thought I killed her, and I thought she was dead. And. And he said, she was face down and there was blood everywhere, just like the picture showed. And there was blood coming out of her head non stop. It was pulling down, you know, down the hallway. And he said, I said it. And he said, I went back and to the living room and I started doing more cocaine. He said, I. I pushed more dope. He said, I kept getting high. I said, all right. I said, what happened then, y'?

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He said, and at this point, I. I think he was just. He was being honest without bringing anybody else into it. But he. I mean, he just kind of. The evil came out. The. I mean, he was seeing it in his mind's eye. He said, I was. I was doing dope, and I. I already thought she was dead. And he said, it was been a little bit of time had gone by. And he said, I heard this noise. I said, what noise? He said, like a gurgling noise. And I got quiet. I didn't say anything. I said, I'm looking at him. He said it, and he said, I didn't know what it was. He said, so I got up from the chair. Remember I told you the couch was there and the coffee table, but that chair was sitting facing away from the victim's body on that wall. That. He said, I got out of the chair and I looked down the hallway, and it was a big, huge pool of blood all the way down the hallway. And he said, I heard the noise again. He said, And I looked, and she was face down in the noise.

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Was her gurgling face down in the blood. He said, I saw bubbles come as I walk down and to. To the noise and inside I saw bubbles coming from around her mouth and the blood. And I'm like, fuck. And I'm so. I'm thinking, right? And I know, I mean, you could heard a pin drop in the room. And he said, she was gurgling. He said, I really couldn't believe she was still alive. And he said, so I walked down the hallway. I walked down the hallway to the gun cabinet. He said, and I got a.22 rifle and I got some bullets and I loaded it and I walked back down the hallway through the blood. I stood over her body in the doorway. I put the gun to the back of her head and I pulled the trigger and it went click. And he said, I was like, what the fuck? He said, so I ejected the shell and shoved another one in and I put the gun back to her head again and I squeezed the trigger and he went click. And he was like. He said, I was like, what the fuck? And he said, and I took the. I ejected that bullet out. He said, that's when I realized I had the wrong size bullets. I had 22 shorts and I needed 22 longs for the rifle. He said, so then I walked back through the blood down the hallway to the gun cabinet, dug in the bottom of the gun cabinet, and I got some.22 long bullets and I reloaded the rifle and walked back down the hall, stood over her body, put the rifle to the back of her head and I squeezed the trigger. And b. He said, her body jumped and then she was still and I didn't hear any more gurgling. He said, now went back down the hallway in, put the gun against the gun cabinet and went back to the table and started shooting up more dope. Now, I had a lot of questions and the. But he was just matter of fact evil. Think about that, y'. All. You hear a noise after you think you've beaten her to death, you hear a noise. So you go down there through the blood and you see her face down and she's gurgling face down in the blood, bubbles coming out from the side of her mouth and the blood. So what do you do? Do you call 9 1. 1. Do you have any remorse? No. You said it. I'm gonna go get a gun and execute her. She walked through the blind. You get the rifle, you get the bullets, you load it, you go down there, you put the gun to her head, pull the trigger. Click. You eject that shell, thinking it's a misfire, put the gun to the back of her head again. Now she's laying there gargling, blowing bubbles in the blood, face down. Click. You eject that shell and you realize you got the wrong bullets. So you walk back through the blood, get the right bullet or bullets, load the gun and you go back and you stand above her and you put your head. And he said, he squoze, squeeze the trigger. And he said it went boom. And her body jumped and there was no more gurgling noise. I heard a lot of up over the years. I mean probably this. I. I don't know that ever heard anything more cold blooded than that, period. And then you go back and continue to get high. Crazy goosebumps. The. So I asked him, I said, so you go back and now y', all, I gotta keep them talking, but I got to try to tie up some loose ends, right? And I said, so you go back and you continue to get high? He said, yeah. I said, okay, did you do anything to, to her body? And he's like, what, what are you talking about? I said, well, no, just stop. So you, you tell me what happened then. I said, you go back and you get high. And what happened? He said, well, at some point the, the, the. I changed clothes and I took all the guns and I loaded them in my truck. I said, all right. I said, so when you were loading the guns in your truck, I said, did anything happen in the mud room? He said, what do you mean? I said, with the light? He said yeah, yeah, yeah, I busted the light. He said I was, I was going back and forth. Yeah, you said I was high. I was going fast back and forth to the gun cabinet, getting the guns. I was carrying one of the rifles in the barrel, hit the light in the mud room and it broke the glass on the light fixture. Boom. Good for us, right? He's net. I mean I'm locking him into more because sooner or later he's going to. When he, I'm thinking in the. He gets an attorney, he's going to try to say we coerced and whatever, whatever he's given, he's given the juice now, right? He's verifying the small things. So I said, so you changed Clothes. You broke the light and you load. You took all the guns? He said, yeah. I said, what about the victim? I said, did you do anything to her before you left? And he stopped, and he said, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, I did. He said, I pulled her panties down and made it look like a rape. He said, I don't want y' all to think it was a rape. And I said. He said, I even took a condom and burned it halfway and left it in the fireplace. Y' all would think it was rape, and then you wouldn't be coming after me. You think somebody raped her and it was a robbery gone wrong? He said, I took the guns for that reason also. I said, all right. And I said, and you were definitely by yourself? Oh, yeah, I was definitely by myself. Nobody was with me. Nobody was with me is all me. So, okay, so you got your truckloaded, you got your clothes changed this. I said, you changed clothes before or after? After you. You made it look like a rape? He said that I changed clothes after I made it look like a rape. He said, actually, I. He said, I made it look like a raid right after I shot her in the head. I said. And I said, and then what'd you do? And he said, I got in my truck and I left. He said, I went to the ATM in Watson. And he said, and then when. Got some more dope, some more cocaine? And I said, well, no, but I said, go back to the crime scene. I said, what about the cocaine on the table? I said, you told me you were pushing dope. He said, I always push it. It's a better high. I said, why were there lines of cocaine on the table? He said, yeah. He said, I did that too. He said, I made that look like I didn't want. Everybody knew that when I use cocaine, I pushed it. He said, so I figured if I leave a few lines on the table, y' all might think that it was somebody snorting the dope there that. That did that, raped her and all that and took all the guns. I said, so. You go to the. The atm. I said, you go get more dope? He said, yeah. And he said, I shot up. He said, I went to Mississippi. He said, on the way to Mississippi, I shot up. And he said, and then I went to Walmart. And that's when I came out and I saw my family member, and she was like, you know she's dead. You know she's dead. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm on my way. And he said, and I left. And he said, I hauled ass. Yeah, I'm trying to put it all together, right? The. I said, tell me about being on the run. I said, we have you at such. Such motel, and you turned your phone on at this time? He said, yeah, turn my phone on every couple days to check messages. And. And he said, yeah, I went and I stayed in this town. In this town. I said, where's. Where's the rifle at? Where's the.22 rifle that you shot her? He said. He said, I threw that rifle and my bloody clothes into the Mississippi river when I crossed the Mississippi River. And I'm like, where? I said, you cross the Mississippi river until, like, Vicksburg. He said, well, that's. That's when I did it. You know, I. I know he was lying about that, but at least I had to lock him into it in case there was a chance that we could recover the rifle. And he said, and ultimately I ended up at the. The hunting area where I'm from. And I said, why'd you go there? He said, because that's. That's where I used to hunt when I was a kid, and I felt safe there. And he said, but, you know, and he put me. Started smiling. He said, you know, I could have killed that cop. He said, when he said he was by himself, he was young, and he was giving me commands. He said, but I had the pistol right there on his seat. He said, he just better be thankful that I didn't kill him. And the evil was on him, right? And I'm thinking, yeah, you were a little. And you heard the sirens coming. You know, everybody thinks that is this Johnny Badass, and they're gonna go out or kill a cop or whatever. And ultimately, he went out, like, a little. So he admitted that he was. He was thinking about killing the cop, whatever, and I think he was trying to buffer it up for us, but. So now take him back. I said, listen, I got some questions for you. I said, a couple questions. And in to tie some things up for me, I said, there's some things in the scene that I just don't understand. He said, yeah, yeah, what? What now we're kind of getting buddies, right? We've been there a little while, and he's told us his. What his version of what his deepest, darkest secret is. I said, look, I've been doing it a long time. And I said, I don't understand why there was a bag of ice in the sink in the bathroom that. The hallway bathroom. And he smiled and. And kind of sat back he said, I do always bought the big bags of ice when I shoot up a lot in case I overdose. He said, I would go in there and I put my head in the ice, and I put the ice in my pants and under my arms, and it would bring me out of the overdose. He said, so I could get high again. I said, well, that would explain. I said, you went in there, obviously, and did that after you killed her. I said, that would explain the fat blood drops in that bathroom. And he said, yeah. And I said, you know what? Let me take a break for a minute. I said, I get some water. I said, calvin, you know, come with me and y'. All. The room he was in, he couldn't get out of. So I went out and I told Calvin, I said, to say about the blood in the master bat bathroom if he doesn't explain it. I said, because I don't think that's going to be his. And Cal said, I don't either. I said, I think that chick was with him. His stepdaughter was with him. I said, he said, he didn't give a description of what he beat her with. I said, I don't think that he went to the master bedroom. He hadn't said anything about it. There weren't. There were tracks, y', all, from the blood going in the master master bedroom, but they weren't big foot prints like his. And I said, we just got to keep them talking. I'm going to lock them up into a few more questions that I have. And in. Calvin said, let's get. Let's get it. Do it, you know, so we go back in. I said, okay. So I says, you explain the ice. I said, you were definitely by yourself? Absolutely by myself. I said, so did you go anywhere? Where else in the house? And he said, no. I said. He said, I went down the hallway and I beat her. And I said, again, when you beat her? I said, and what was it you beat her with? He said, oh, I don't remember. It was something glass. I said, but you. It broke? He said, yeah, yeah, it broke. I said, you cut your hand? He said, yeah, yeah. And he held up his hand, and on his middle finger there was a cut. And it had been over a week, y'.

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I think, like eight days now. So it was healed up somewhat, but it wasn't really that bad of a cut, you know. So I'm thinking in my mind that somebody else was there, cut to possibly, But I didn't say anything about it. And I said, but. So I Said you never went anywhere past her body. I said, you beat her, you break the glass. You don't know which glass, what type of glass it was. I said, did you break. Did you use more than one type of glass? He said, no, no. He said, just one. He said, and it broke.

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And I said, but you don't remember what it was? He said, no, I. I don't remember. He said, but it broke. And I swear I cut my finger. Evidently, he said, I forgot that I cut my finger and, and heard y' all talking about it in the car. And I knew that, that my DNA was going to be because of the cut. He said, I knew that my blood was going to be those fat drops on the gun cabinet and fat drops in the bathroom, the bag of ice and the fat drops going to the door when I was loading the truck. And I said, okay, all right. I said, so you did. That's it. And you didn't go anywhere else in the house? I swear. Did you change clothes? He said, I had clothes in the mud room. That's where I changed my clothes at. And he said, I put the other ones in a garbage bag and I threw them in the Mississippi river in Vicksburg, along with the rifle. And so, I mean, pretty much that's it, y'. All. He's denying anybody else's error. He admitted to the most cold blooded execution that I've ever heard of. And was straight face. I mean, he wasn't remorseful, didn't shed a tear. I mean, it was pure evil. And in it, at this point, it was evil trying to hide evil. He didn't even sniffle, you know, and, and he, I mean, I just never heard anything like that in my life. But we were getting ready to wrap up, and we questioned him a lot more in detail about his, you know, different things, and there's nothing new that he gave us. But we're getting ready to wrap up and, and I stop, I say, you know what? I said, I got one more question for you. He said, what's that, man? We're buddy Buddy, right? And me, I had told him, I said, see, I told you you weren't a monster, you know, you helped us out so much, and now you can explain to the family that was a cocaine that made you do it. And we played him like a little bitch and. But we're buddy buddy now. And really, I was getting ready. We were getting ready to leave. Taken to the jail. And then it dawned on me, the one question that I had there. And so I asked him, I said, look, you went to Walmart. I said, you bought a bunch of items. I said, we got it. We got pictures of you in Walmart. We got your receipt. I said, the that for my own professional development. I said, I would like to ask you about some items on the receipt. He starts smiling. I said, first of all, the Jumbo plus or whatever, I don't know, female lingerie sizes. I said, what about that? I said, did you have a girlfriend there somewhere? I said. He said, why would you think that? I said, because I said, you bought women's underwear, like a lingerie set. And he shook his head, yeah. And I said, and you bought some, you know, personal hygiene items. And I said, you bought like some grapes. And. And I said, the one thing I could never figure out is why you bought squash. Large yellow squash is what it says on the receipt. And he's smiling. He said, well, I didn't have a girlfriend. I said, well, I figured maybe you had a girlfriend and you were buying her some lingerie and she was going to cook you some squash. He said, no. He said, and he's smiling that evil smile. He said, when I was on the run every night, I would stop and buy more cocaine. He said, that's what I did with the guns. He said I didn't have a lot of cash. And he said, I used the credit cards when I had to. He said, but I got me a hooker every night. I said, you mean a prostitute? He said, yeah. And he said, I get the hooker and I get high. And I wore the blue panties and the bra. He said, I would dress up in the women's underwear. And he said, but I paid the hookers. And he said I would be. I had been doing so much coke that I couldn't get an erection. He said, so I put the big yellow squash in the panties and made it look like my dick. He said, but I was paying these the money. He said I was gonna them with something. He said, so I would fuck them with the big yellow squash. Figure that one out. And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, man, I get that. I get that. You know, you paying for it. And I said, I. You know, the women's underwear. Yeah, I get that, man. And, you know, we all got our kinks and stuff. You know, of course, I'm just still buddying up to him, right? But that's what he said. And so for the. Everyone who wants to know about the yellow squash, there you have it. In the. His road trip, his seven or eight. Seven days gone, he. The only reason he went back to the hunting area, Allen Parish, his home base was he was out of money, he was out of dope, and he went back to a place that was safe for him. And. But, hey, he had a good time. The rest of the time, he traded guns for dope. Every night he had him a different hooker in a different place. He pays for some hotels with cash, but he, He. He did coke with. With the hookers, and he got his money's worth. So cross dressing, squash, using, murdering pieces. Murdering piece of shit. So we take him, book him into jail. By this time, it's like, daylight. Oh, and I went home and I slept for, like, I don't know, an hour, hour and a half. OCD was kicking in. And I said, yeah. I said, you know what? I'm going back up there. I'm gonna go try to talk to him one more time. I got to try to get him to can admit that somebody else was there, because I just. I just had this feeling, right? And so go back up. It must have been around lunchtime on Thanksgiving. And of course, my family wasn't happy about it, but it is what it is. It was a job. And the victim was never going to have Thanksgiving again, and her family was never going to get to have Thanksgiving dinner with her again. So I load up, I go to jail. I have him bring. I call jail on the way up there. I said, get him out for me, please, and put him in the interview room. And they did. And I didn't have Calvin with me. I called Calvin and he said, you know, he was doing the Thanksgiving thing. I said, I'm just going to go try to get him to say that. And he said, you know, you need me. I said, no. And I don't even think he's going to talk or whatever, right? So I went in that he was sitting behind. He's in his jumpsuit. He's sitting there at the desk. And I say, man, I said, you know, you doing all right? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm doing good. He had a big Smile on his face were butts now, right? I mean I know everything from that he's a cold blooded, the most cold blooded killer that I've ever dealt with to the fact that he's across dress and squashies and erectile dysfunction piece of. But anyway, and I said so you get Thanksgiving lunch? He said yeah man, this is good as they, they cook good turkey and cornbread dressing here and all that. So I don't think I'm, I'm glad you got to eat. But anyways, I said look, I just, I just want to talk to you, you know, I went home, got a couple hours sleep and, and I had some more questions and, and he said well I gotta tell you, he said I got a lawyer now. And I said really? I said on Thanksgiving Day? He said yep, yep, yep. He said I had a lawyer come up here and tell me he was going to represent me for free. I said really? I said who is that? He said it's Arden Wells. Arden Wells, he's a great attorney. And I started fucking dying inside laughing to myself at the, you know, Arden Wells was anything but a good attorney and he'd run for sheriff, he had run for district attorney and all these different public. I think he ran for every public office in the history of known. The man always lost. He was to say he was out there as putting it politely anytime I've ever dealt with him and he had a criminal defense client, I beat his ass in court. I think he's disbarred now as the last I heard he was a little bit off, that's to put it politely, but takes all kinds to make the walk around. So he tells me, he said, he said, yeah, yeah, yeah, man. He saw it on the news last night and, and he called the jail this morning and they told him that I was booked in. And he said, he said well that's, that's my client, I'm coming to talk to him. And he said well hell, they came and got me out of sale and told me my attorney was there. I was thinking how public offenders got here that fast and, and he said hey. He said I really like that guy. He's sharp that Arden Wells is sharp. And I said, yeah. I said, well, I said that's cool. I said, I said what did he tell you? He said, he told me don't worry about anything. He said, he don't get me off on manslaughter. He said I'm going to get a couple of years that said. I said well, you know what? That, that's good, man. I said, I'm happy for you. And, you know, good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you. And. And I turned and left. Yeah, I left it on good terms knowing that I was going to get challenged in court because it is a death penalty case and no fucking manslaughter. But I didn't have to come hard on him. It was going to be raining hell on him soon enough. But I didn't get to ask him was anybody else with him because he lorried up. So I respected that. Y', all, if you think this is the conclusion of Monsters, you haven't heard anything yet. I'm telling you, it's about to get really, really twisted. And I've got to tell you about the investigation, where it goes from here. Remember this? And I say it again, and I'm going to do an episode after this series just about evidence. Okay? And how important it is. Evidence is everything in this case is just getting started. Just getting started. And I'm gonna conclude episode five, Monsters. Okay, a couple quick announcements. One very important. Let's see. I could put this without saying the wrong thing. Courtney Coco, it's not coming in December, y'. All, the rest are not coming in December. The. There's several reasons why. And the, the ones that I can tell you that are pretty much public knowledge are that because of COVID is one. I know that's they arrest people every day and all that, et cetera, whatever. But they actually did an article on. They've had no trials, nothing, since COVID started in Rapids Parish. And y', all, you get. You got to consider that Courtney's case has to go to the grand jury. And there's. I know it's not going to the grand jury this month, but I also know that it's going in January is going to be our time. So let's flip our prayers and thoughts that. That it's concluded sooner than later. But I'm just telling you now, it's not going to happen before Christmas or for New Year's Eve, okay? But I'm telling you, it is going to happen. So the thoughts go out to the family, Stephanie and Ma and the sisters and all them and gonna deal with another Christmas. And the killers are out there, but it won't be for much longer. So justice for Courtney Coco. Ms. Barbara Blunt, y' all keep calling in your tips. You know, about the Cold Case podcast. We're releasing Toby, Tom Play and I are releasing as soon as the arrests are made in Courtney Coco's case in the first season. Most of it is already recorded and it's on Ms. Barbara Blunt and it's episodes I'm talking about. So this is not going to be something, although we're still going to be working it, working it real time and, and taking the tips that you heard the production on the first episode. And so the story's going to get told. It's going to be like the big podcast and it's produced. It's not just me sitting there telling you story like I am now. It's going to have the interviews and all the different stuff in it and it's really just phenomenal. So. But please continue to call on your tips. I know the sheriff's office, I spoke with them very last week and they are, they are absolutely 1000% on board. The case is being worked. But it is Covid, man. Covid has got everything so jacked up. But I expect that. I know God does everything in his own time in to Ms. Barbara's family, Ms. Sarah and the kids and all that. The thoughts are with you, especially during the holiday season, just hanging there. We're gonna, we're gonna get justice from Ms. Barbara also. But y' all continue to call on your tips. The case is being worked, even though I don't talk about as much as I do Courtney. But I promise you, as soon as Courtney's case is is concluded or the arrests are made, we're swapping full force to Ms. Barbara Blunt. Okay. What happened to Barbara Blunt? The social media Y' all were over 28, 000 something on the real Life Real Crime friends, fans and crew. PA if you like Real Life Real Crime, go ask to join our dream team. Moderators will get you approved Instagram at Real Life Real Crime in at Overton Woody YouTube Real Life Real Crime podcast. Put that in your search. It'll bring up all the episodes. We're still adding videos and stuff to the, to the older episodes. 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