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You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say, they can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to or during any question. If you can't afford one, the court appoint one for you. Do you understand your rights? And the wolf is at your door you're running over, that's for sure you already know all about you cut you down no matter about you now you better watch the light. Warning.
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This episode of Real Life, Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that
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are 18 years or older. He my warning people, I do not
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get the facts of these cases off
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Woody Overton
of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the
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crimes against the victims.
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Woody Overton
My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're going to get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello, everybody, and welcome this episode of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton, and y'. All. Today we're going to be continuing the series Monsters and I think it's going to be part six. Now, I would love to be able to wrap the story up for you today, but it simply cannot be done. So I'm. I'm thinking it's going to be part six and in part seven, on the actual storytelling of the story itself to conclude it. And then part eight will be the. The final summary of everything that happened and what happened to the monsters. So that being said, stay tuned at the end of today's show for some announcements. And real quick, I'm going to give a shout out to all lifers, because last week we passed 3 million downloads. 3 million listens on real life, real crime. Let me put that in context for you. Last February, we reached 1 million downloads. Last May, when I started telling stories again by myself and going back to the old school way of doing things, we were at 1.2 million. So since May, we've done over 1.8 million more downloads. Now look, I'm no mathematician, but if at 20 months we done 3 million downloads, I think our growth rate is phenomenal. That's because each one of you lifers, and I just want to say that so you hear it at the beginning and I appreciate it, we have a lot of announcements coming up about live shows and stuff like that in Patreon and, and everything else. So that being said, you're gonna have to bear with me because, you know, I'm raw and unscripted and I don't use notes and I have so much more of this story to tell that is so important. So let's get started. Monsters, Part 6. All right, so when I left you last, I had left the bad guy under arrest, first degree murder, in the Livingston Parish jail. And I had gone up there on Thanksgiving morning while he was still talking to try to get him talk a little bit more just to see if he'd say anything else because you never know, it's just an old trick, right? Keep him talking as long as you can. And of course, he told me that his lawyer, this great lawyer, Arden Wells, came in and told him he's going to represent him, you know, pro bono, I assume for the publicity of the case. He knew it was going to be a death penalty case and that he was going to get off of like manslaughter. And he just had that big, fat, cheesy, greasy grin on his face like the cat that ate the canary, right? I'm like, cool, man, you know, let me know how that works out for you, right? So go and do Thanksgiving and then Cal and I meet back up at the office on Friday. And now y' all keep in context. This has been a week. It was a week of the manhunt after the murder and after the autopsy Bill. Now we have the confession. So you Got to work off of that. You've got to take the things the guy said and, you know, try to further the case, if you will, try to get more information. But the one thing that was really, really sticking with me. And as soon as I walked in the door, Calvin and I were sitting down. Nobody else was there. They were still off the holidays, sitting down, having the coffee. And Calvin beat me to the punch. And he said, man, you know what's bothering me? And I said, probably the same thing that's bothering me. He said. He said, the granddaughter. I said, yeah. I said, that's it. And I said, you know, when he confessed and we asked him, was anybody else there? He just got. So that was the only time his demeanor changed other than when he was talking about beating her with the bottles. The. He was that he was vague in that area, if you will. I mean, he's dead on about using the dope and. And all that. But when it came to the beating there, he was a little bit vague. Not saying that he wasn't there. I was just saying I don't think he was telling the whole truth at that point. Meaning I think there was somebody else involved. And when we asked him about was anybody else with him, he just was real quick to be adamant. No, no, no. I was totally by myself. You know, that little bit of demeanor change where. That's where reading people comes in, right? And the only thing I could think of is the granddaughter and how she covered her hands that day when we met with the family and her demeanor that night, saying the N word. Drug dealers must have kidnapped him, and et cetera. Just her whole thing, right? Her whole demeanor. And so we started talking about it, and I said, you know, Calvin, last week when we pulled the phone records, his phone records, and we. He had made, I think, two phone calls that morning when he left work. And I said, and we had tried to call the numbers, and nobody answered on either one of them. But then that wasn't when we figured it might have been the dope dealer or whatever. But at the time, it wasn't the highest priority. And Calvin said, all right, got him, bro. And he had the. The phone numbers again. I said, well, let's call him. You know, I said, it's Friday. The Friday after Thanksgiving. Hopefully they'll be home, I suppose. Block out the number. Now, when we call originally, we didn't block out the number. So it would have showed up. Livingston Perry Sheriff's office calling. Matter of fact, I think he did it from his. His cell phone. And he blocked it out, the star six, seven and called the first one in some mail answer, no idea who it was. And they hung up, right. Called the second one and it rang like three times. And we heard hello in that voice. And she, the granddaughter has a very distinctive, I'm gonna say gravelly voice, right? Like a long time smoker or something like that. I don't know how you would describe it, but she has a very distinct voice. And he had it on speakerphone. And when she said hello, I looked at him, he looked at me and we're smiling and he just hung up on her. And he's like, brah. That's the call, the, the last call he made, right? The second call he made at the time that he would have been leaving work. So I said, let's get the phone, his phone records to go back and see if we can match that number any more times. And we did and we spent some time going through it and he. They had a history of communicating during the daytime for not that many weeks, but it, I can't remember exactly how many times was. But it was significant and it was only for a few minutes at a time, right? You have to ask yourself, why would it be just during the daytime? Well, we knew that he worked, we knew that his wife worked. The, the victim's daughter worked, right? And in the wise, he calling her the granddaughter could be innocent reasons, right? It could be totally, totally innocent. It could be he's calling the talk to her husband. Now, the granddaughter at the time was married and had two children, probably, I would say, I don't know, 6 and 8 or 8 and 10, something like that. They were school age kids. Well, she didn't have a job. And I remember asking that night, are you employed? And she said no. So you know, we're thinking about. And I'm like, dude, we gotta, you know, try to get some more juice on her. We need to find out. We have to be able to exclude the fact that we want to lock her into a statement. Remember she told us the night of the homicide that she hadn't seen him and you know, three or four days, however long it had been, she didn't talk to him, etc. Well, we know somebody at her residence talked to him the morning of now, right. And. But we can't say for sure that it wasn't her husband or her kids. And these calling, checking the grandkids, whatever, we don't know. And so we need to go lock her into the statements. Also, we haven't told the family yet that he can. What he confessed to. Right. They knew he was under arrest, certainly, but we haven't told him that he confessed to the beating in the head and then executing her. So then that's a tough thing to handle in itself. I mean, you got to take into consideration his family is suffering. And yes, to this day, it breaks my heart for them and. But we kind of had an in on talking to the family. And anytime you go and you tell them stuff like that, they're going to want to know more than you can really share that case wise. And they already know their loved ones dead. But when you go to tell them that your husband confessed to beating and then coming back when she's, you know, laying down, gurgling, blowing bubbles, whatever, and you get the. The. The rifle and try to execute her and you got the wrong bullets, I mean, you're not going to tell them all that, right? But you got to figure out what to tell them. But we kind of had an in on the other granddaughter. Was married to a Baton Rouge City police detective. And, you know, certainly he wasn't a homicide detective. He was in general detectives, I think, or Burger or something like that. But he's still a cop. And we knew that. We knew that we could talk to him. So I called him up and I told him, hey, man, look, you know, I need to meet with you. I said, we got a confession out of him last night. And the, the, you know, not last night, the. Well, yeah, I guess early, early yesterday morning, we got a confession out of him, and I need to, you know, some advice on how to break it to the family, et cetera. And I said, you know, maybe you could bring your wife with you and we'll meet up somewhere where her mama doesn't know about it yet. And I could tell you what he told us and then you can help us break it to your wife. He was like, cool and really, y', all, I had more questions for her. And we. We had met her that night, and we met her the one time at the house when the other granddaughter stayed outside, wouldn't show the hands, that kind of thing. But now we have time. He's under arrest. He's not gonna kill anybody else. Now we need to gather as much information as we can and look again. The other granddaughter may not had anything to do with it, but wasn't looking good for right. So he said, look, I can come meet y'. All. By this time. It was evening time, y', all, and he said, we can't do it. Here because her. Her mama's here. And I said, well, that's fine. I mean, tell me a store somewhere that's close to you. And I think he said, the Carter's grocery store that was close to where they live. So Calvin and I drove over to meet him, and his wife's in the car and told him, I said, just ask her to stay in the car for a few minutes. I want to talk to you. And I told him what he confessed to. The beating in the head and the execution, etc. He's like, Damn, man. He said, I don't know when this is going to end. I said, me, the Brian. I said, but that, I mean, I said, what do you think? How you think your wife's going to do? He said, well, she, you know, she is a paramedic. She's seen a lot of horrible things. He said, but this is her grandmother. I mean, she loved her to pieces, right? I said, well, we can start with her and then maybe she can help us break it to the mom. I said, how's. How's her mama? Danny said, she's just a basket case. I mean, I mean, she said, she is just absolutely destroyed. I said, well, I get that. I mean, she lost her mama and her husband all in one night, right? So get the. His wife out of the car and. And, you know, introduce herself again. And this lady is, is really well put together again. She's. Her mama would end up being one of the strongest family victim members that I've ever met. And this lady was probably the second strongest. But she did have the. The medical background and all that. But I told her, I said, listen, what I'm going to tell you, it's gonna be hard to hear. And I said, but you need to know it. And then I got a couple questions for you.
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and so I told her, I said, we got him. She said, she said, he's a piece of. And then. And I said, yeah, no doubt about that. He is a piece of. I said, but look, I got a confession out of him. And she went, what? I said, yeah. She said, what did he say? She said, I want to know what? He said. I want to know. And I said, well, you don't need to know everything. I said, but to sum it up for you in a nutshell, he confessed to beating her in the head and then shooting her in the head. And she was, she was like, she didn't fall down, but she like, you know, naturally was very visibly distraught. Her husband's holding her and she was like, oh, I love my. They called, she called her grandmother certain name. So I loved her so much. I loved her so much, you know, that's my sweetheart and said he didn't have to do that. And she said, you know, that night I was at home, I just put my youngest in the bathtub and she said my grandmother had been having many strokes and said she was. She was on blood thinners. And she said I had been calling to check on her all evening, and I couldn't get through. The house phone was busy. And she said, you know, that wasn't an unusual occurrence. From time to time when she lived by herself, she would accidentally knock the phone off the hook. And, you know, I'd have to go over there and put it back on the hook. She said, but, you know, she said, I called and I really didn't think anything about it. So then I called again, and I think didn't think much about it, she said, but then called again. She said, I started to get worried. I said, but you know what? Maybe, maybe. Maybe she just knocked it off accidentally or where. I said, but then I started to get worried because I'm thinking she had those many strokes and maybe she fell or something. So she said, so I called Mama and she said, don't worry about it. I'm going home in, you know, less than an hour, and, you know, I'll call you back and let you know. So she said, I was just putting my youngest in the tub, and the phone rang, and she said, it's my mama. And all she could say was, there's blood, there's blood, there's blood everywhere. There's blood. And she said, mama, I'm coming. She hung up the phone. Said, she said, I hung up the phone. I grabbed my youngest out of the tub and called my oldest in and said, look, drive them off. I gotta go. I gotta go to Granny's or whatever. She called her mom. She said, I ran out the door and I drove over there. She said, I went through. They parked around the back. Now, remember I told you the light was busted out by the door? She said, I went through the back door, and my mama was sitting at that little kitchen table. And then when you walked in the back door, they had the mud room, but the light was broken. Then you had you go immediately into the kitchen. Refrigerator on the right, the little kitchen table on the left. And then if you go a little bit further is when you make that right and down that hall, that long hallway is where the victim was. She said, I hit the door. She said, there were first responders there. Fire department EMTs were there. Said I hit the door. My mama sitting at the kitchen table with her hands or head in her hands, just crying uncontrollably. And she said, I was like, where's. Where's my grandmother? Where's my grandmother? And said, fireman stopped me and said, said, you don't need to go. She said, you get out of my way. And she kind of was pushing past him, and another fireman came, and she made that corner, but he was blocking the view down the hallway. And she swear, let me get to my grandmother. He said, no, no, sweetie. He said, you need to stop. She's gone. And he said, what do you mean she's gone? He said, look, this is going to be a. This is going to be a crime scene. She's like, what the hell are you talking about? This is going to be a crime scene. You know, she was on blood thinners. She, you know, she said she was thinking, you know, my grandmother's a blood thinner. She could have fell and hit her head. She said, are you sure she's gone? He said, listen. He said, I'm positive she's deceased. And he said, and. And this is going to be a crime scene. She said, what the hell are you talking about? I said, look at the gun cabinet. And remember, I told y', all, the gun cabin's right there. She said, what? I looked over and the gun cabin was wide open. It had some blood on it. The guns were gone. There were bullets scattered on the floor. She said, there was even a flower basket. She said, I remember there was a flower basket that was on top. It had been somehow knocked to the floor and was laying on the floor. And she said, any other time in my life, I would. I'm such a strong woman, I would absolutely barrel down the hallway. She said, but it was like my grandmother's spirit stopped me and said, baby, get out of the house, that you don't need to see this. And she said, I don't know what it was. She said, that's, you know, that's the only reason I didn't go down the hallway. She said, but by that time, the, you know, the sheriff's office was showing up and they were clearing us out of the house anyway. And she said that, you know, she was outside and then that her other sister showed up within a few minutes and started all that holler. And the stuff I told you I heard about when I. When I arrived on scene, and she continued to do throughout the night while we process the scene, etc. But she told me, or she told Calvin and I. She said, she's just stopped and. And she got this look on the face. She said, you said that? He said he confessed to beating her in the head. I said, yes. She said, my brother and I were talking the other day. And he told me, and now this. This is another brother, y', all that we actually had not interviewed, evidently came while we were working a crime scene, left before we finished the crime scene in. For whatever reason. I don't know why. I mean, it's. I don't. I don't know why he left, but other than the fact that we were there for, like, seven hours or something. But she said. She said. Woody said. He told me when he got there, my sister was doing all the screaming and hollering, and he went up to her and grabbed her and hugged her and said, hey, what happened? What happened? She said, I don't know. They beat her in the head. They beat her in the head with something. He was like, what do you mean? And he said. He said, then she. She stopped, and she wouldn't say anything else about it. She said, well, she's just dead. She's just, you know, grandmother's been murdered. And she said, this is days and days after when he told me this, and he was like, how the hell do you think she know she knew. Oh, he asked her. He said, you know, she told him the same thing that she got there in. The emt, stopped her. Now, the mom, the victim's daughter, is the one that called 91 1. She got there, the lights were off, she had stumbled in, find the phone that was off the hook, which was by the victim's body and all that called 91 1. No other family members made it in the scene. So her sister arrived later on. The one that was saying the N words and doing all the holler. The one that said. When her brother asked her, said, what happened? He said, I don't know. They beat her in the head. And then she changed. Or she quit saying that and said he was just thinking about it days after, like, it happens. A lot of us, we process things as it goes on. And he was like, wait a minute. How the hell does she know she'd been beaten in the head if she hadn't been in the house? Mama hadn't told her anything, and she hadn't been in the house. How the hell does she know? And the granddaughter we were talking to was like. She said, I don't understand that. And Calvin said, well, let me ask you something. He said, what is her relationship with him? And talking about the guy that confessed our suspect. And she said, what do you mean? And. And said, you know, I knew what he meant, but he's like, I mean, Camel said, Camel's got this easy way that his Slip up on people, right, with his questioning without really giving away the whole meaning. It's a real slick. He's real slick at what he does. And he's like, well, you know, the. Did they, like, hang out together? Were they really tight? And. And she said, no. She said, I mean, he. He was a great stepdad when he was great, you know, she. He said, but, I mean, they're like, did they spend time together? And she said, no, I mean, why would they spend time together? She's married and, you know, he worked, et cetera. Then she starts with. She said, you know what? I have to tell y' all more about him. I'm like, well, go ahead. And she said, you know, we knew he had been a recovering drug addict, but he had been great. When he married my mom, everything was great. He was a great stepdad. He was a great provider. He's very loving, churchgoing man, you know, just a great guy. She said, but they went to South Carolina, and talking about, like, the last couple months, they went to South Carolina for his work, and mama went with him, and he fell off the wagon. When he was in South Carolina, he started using dope again. I was like, oh, shit. I said, okay, well, tell me about that. And she said, well, mama called him and knew that he was using again, so she left him and she came back to Louisiana. And he came back, but it was like five days later, he drove back doing a drug binge the whole way. And I'm thinking, oh, I wonder if he had any squash or women's underwear, right? I mean, so what did I tell y', all, though? Drug users. Now, he wasn't on the run for any crimes, and he was. He knew he was in trouble with his wife, but he. He admitted. I mean, he binged his way home. He. He. I mean, when you run out of money, where you go, you're gonna go home. You can go someplace that's safe for you. But he gets back. She said he, you know, told my mom, you know, I'm so sorry. I'm. I'm getting straight, I'm going to meetings again. I got a sponsor and all that. So she got back with him, and. But the granddaughter, his daughter, Baton Rouge City cops wife that's telling us all this. She said, but you know what she said? I wrote his ass every time I saw. She said, I. I knew he was using, so I. He didn't even look like himself. And she said, I busted his ass on him. She said, every time I'd see him and be like, oh, you going to meetings? No. Yeah, I'm sure you're not. And he had given his sponsor's name and n a Narcotics Anonymous to his mom. And his mama told her, but she calls the dude and it's like, has he been meeting with you? And he's like, nope, hadn't seen him. And so she said, last time I talked to him, I was like, you talked to your sponsor recently? And he started to lie about it. She said, don't lie. Then she said, because I called him, I know you haven't been going to meetings. I know you haven't talked to him. I know you using dough. And she said, that night when. And now look, the phone records. His phone records. Remember I told you it was turned off? And we started tracking him. We. He had a ton of phone calls coming in after the victim's body was discovered. And one of them was this granddaughter or his daughter's victim's granddaughter. She said, I called him that night from the. When y' all were in the process and seen. And I told him, you son of a. If you killed my grandmother, I'm gonna hunt you down to the ends of the surf and I'm gonna blow your head off. And. And I was like, well, you don't have to worry about that now because he's locked up. Right? She said, but she said, woody, my mama. I talked to her about it afterwards in this past week, and she said, I knew that he was still using. And she said, actually my mama and I were looking for another place to move to when she was murdered. So there you have that. And so anyway, we ended up going with him and. And explaining to her mom that he confessed and. And all that. And y' all look, you know, it's not sensationalized. I'm just not going to tell you about it. It's just. You just imagine somebody coming telling you that your husband murdered your mother in the most brutal way possible. And we didn't get into all the details in which is, you know, neither you're nor there, I guess. But it was horrible. And it's horrible. That lady, I'll never forget her. I'll never forget that her daughter in. In doing that. And that probably is the toughest part of the job. You know, people always ask me about how I handle PTSD from the dead body, so that doesn't bother me. The. I think the only thing that ever actually bothered me were my victims families. But anyway, so all that's done in Calvin and I get back together and we're like, man, we gotta go get the statement from the brother, right? Her saying that. And we did. And. And he said that. He said exactly that. He said, I'm telling you, he said, I got there, I heard about it late. Somebody had called me and I got there. There were cop cars everywhere. The news was there and. And I ran up and there's a big crowd of people, but my sister was raising hell. She was saying that in the n words had abducted him and whatever. And he's like. He said, I grabbed her and hold her. I said, hey, hey. I said, what's going on? I said, you know, where's grandmother? And he said, what happened? And she said they beat her in the head. And he was like, what do you talk about? And then she like called herself and she's like, I don't know. She's. Grandmother's dead. Grandmother's dead. 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But it's a death penalty case. Y' all and we already got him in in jail. He's not getting out. No matter what his dumb ass attorney thinks, he's not getting out. We have to work it and come correct. Okay. If we go, if we do a probable call warrant for rest and we go try to flip her and she tells us to go pound sand, then we're and, and, and you know, Calvin, I talked about it and then I was like dude, we just gotta. But I mean we gotta lock her in more to her statements about when was the last time she saw him, talk to him, make sure her husband wasn't the one at home that day. And Calvin agreed. I mean we were, we were like minds, right? And we knew what we had to do. So. Oh, we asked the, the sister and the detective husband about her sister's husband, the new suspect. We'll call her the new suspect. The new suspect's husband. They said he's a great guy, he goes to work every day. You know, he's a great father to their kids. He's a good provider and all that. And I said, well what time does he go to work? She said he leaves it like eight something in the morning. And we got her address and we waited the weekend. And on Monday Calvin and I go set up on the house at like 7:30 in the morning. And when you would then you suspect's husband drove and sure enough he gets in his vehicle and he leaves to go to work. Well, more importantly, the two kids get off to school in new suspect. The granddaughter is now home alone. Like Calvin. He looks at me, I said let's go get the juice baby. And you know, and he said, well, let's at least lock her in, right? So we knew what we were going to do. We went up and knocked on the door. It's a small house in Denham Springs, Louisiana. And knocked on the door. Now the old cliche of good cop, bad copy, you know, I don't really like to use that but sometimes it's true. And remember I was kind of hard on her the day about her hands. And I just, you know, Calvin had that more smooth, easy approach with her. I told him, I said, you know, you do your thing and I'm going to just be me, right? So we had a plan going in, what we're going to do. And this is how it went down. We knocked on the door. She opens the door and immediately she, her eyes. When she saw us, her eyes bugger out of her head. Her mouth drops open. Now we always wore coat and ties and a Badge on and gun on her belt. Sat door. Said, hey, how you. You know, how you doing? She said, well, what do y' all want? And call said, we just want to talk to you. You know, we're going, we're telling family members what happened, and we're trying to getting more information we can on him, et cetera. You know, we just want to talk to you for a few minutes. And we already talked to your mom and your other sister, and. And she was like, well, then he said, can we come in? And she was like, well, I guess so. And she brought us into this little living room and had some kid toys. Kids toys around and stuff like that. And we sit down, and she. She was like, really in a defensive posture and just, like, eyes bugging. And she's like, what. What is it? You know, And. And I said, listen, I'm. I'm advise you your Miranda rights. And Calico looked at me, I said, calvin, you know, I'm gonna do this, dude. I do it to everybody. And so I advise him, Ren Rice. And she was like, looking at me all crazy. Well, again, I'm playing kind of the bad cop. I said, listen, you're not under arrest. I said, we do this, man. Your mom would do it to everybody. We do it. I do it to anybody. Before I ask him any questions. I said, you certainly are not under arrest. And she was like, well, I don't understand why you have to meet right, Reman Rice. I said, well, did you do anything wrong? She said, well, no, I didn't do anything wrong. I said, why would you care if I read you your rights? And I said, I mean, do you want to. You want to answer the questions? You want to hear what we have to say? And she said, well, yeah. And I said, well, then you've been advised your rights, right? And she said, yeah, I've been remised. So Calvin redirects her attention towards him. And he's like, look. He said, kevin has a kind of soft voice. And he said, look, we. You know, we got him under arrest. And he confessed. And she was like, what? And. And let's see. He said, yeah, he confessed. And now, look, we had asked her mom and the other sister not to tell her or anybody else, any other family members, anything until we talked to him about the confession that we told him. I said, also, it could damage the case. And so she really didn't know. I mean, she knew he was under arrest. And I can't remember exact time frame, had been a couple days or whatever, but this Cab was like, yeah, he, he, you know, so we, we're just trying to get more information on him and you know, we just, we want to talk to you. And she's like, well, okay, what did he say? What did he say? And as well. I said, you know, we'll get to that in a few minutes. I said, I just got a couple questions for you. And she, and she was like, well, I won't know what he said. I said, well, he, he said he murdered your grandmother. And she kind of looked at me. She said, what? Did he say anything else? I said, what hell else is there to say? And, and yeah, I said, I mean, what, what, you know, what are you looking for? But I knew what she was looking for. She wanted to know had, did he give her up and was her ass going to jail? That's what I'm thinking, right? And cows. I know. Hey, look, just, you know, can you tell us anything else about him? She said, what do you want to know? I don't know much about him. I said, what do you mean you don't know much about him? Good, cut back up. What do you mean you don't know much about him? I said, he's your stepdad, right? For years. And she said, well, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's my stepdad, but you know, we didn't hang out together. I said, really? I said, you. When was the last time you saw him again? And, and she said, what do you mean? I said, when was the last time you saw him before he murdered your grandmother? And she said, oh, it'd been a long time. I said, really? She said, I don't know. Weeks probably. She's. And I said, so it had been weeks? And she said yeah, I don't know, but it'd been a long time. So. So more than three or four days? She said, yeah. I'm thinking, boom, bitch got you. Because that night, fresh on the scene. She said it'd been like three days, right? I said, so. So I said, but you're saying that you would see him only when you go over to your mom's and he was there and he's off work? She said, yeah, yeah. And, and she said, I mean, we didn't hang out or anything. I said, well, what about your husband? She said, what about him? I said, I said, well, I just need to know that we need to talk to him also. And, and she said, what the hell would you talk to him for? I said, well, I mean, they might be buddies. I said, my father in law and our Partners. I said, I call them on the phone every. And she. And, And I said just to shoot the. She said, well, they didn't even talk. And I said, really? I said, I mean, I call it. I, I just got off the phone. My father in law, at 7:30 in the morning, he's drinking or he's drinking his coffee. She said, he never called over here. And I said, you talking about your father, your stepfather, the murder? He never called her? She said, no. I said, so, I mean, your husband, I don't need to go talk to him. I said, we don't need to go talk to him because you're clearly stating that he never calls over here and, and never talks to your husband. She said, no, you don't need to talk to my husband. And no, he never calls over here. Boom, got you again, right? And Calvin's kind of smiling. And Calvin said, well, okay, so did he ever come over here and hang out with your husband? She said, why y' all asking about my husband? And now I knew where Calvin was going out, right? Said the, if she went with him that day and she didn't have a car, that's the other thing I forgot to tell you. She didn't have a car. She went with them that day. He had to pick her up, right? So if push comes to shove, it was kind of a small neighborhood. She had some neighbors. We could ask them, not right away, but when time came we could ask them did they ever see that marine truck over there picking her up. But she was like, no, that he's never come over here and you know, just doing anything she could to distance herself from him, right? So Ari got the excuse, the defense attorney excused that that phone call was for her husband, first of all. Her husband. I said, I said, what time does your husband go to work? She said, she said, the time? I said every day. And she said, yeah, I think it was like she. He left just before 8 every day. Yes. Where does he work? She said it. And I said, five days a week? She said, yes. What time does he get home? She told me a rapid fire question. So she can't think and she can't see what direction I'm going, right? So I'm just trying to do anything that I can to take away any excuse that she can try to have that her stepdad would have been over there for anybody but her. And so totally ruled out her husband. He never called over there by our own admission. He never called over there. They didn't hang out. He never came to the House. She now has changed her story on the last time she saw him from. Because what happens that she was lying her ass off? One thing that never changes is the truth. She lied that night saying it had been three or four days that she had seen him. Now she's saying it's been weeks, right? And so we got that. We got that change up. And I said. I said, can you tell me what happened that night when you got there? I mean, when did you get there? I said, I got there, like real close. I said, and you were there. I saw. I remember seeing you in the yard when I passed. She said, I got. I got a call and that something happened to my grandmother. And I went up there and I said, okay. I said, when you got there, where was your mama? She said, my mama was. Had come. She said she was being attended to by the. The medics. And. And she said I tried to get to her and they were standing in front. She said she had just come out of the house. I said, so you didn't get to talk to her? She said, no, not. Not right away. And. And she said, but I know that son of a bitch must have owed some drugs dealer's money. And. And I said, so you were standing there. I said, was your sister already there? And she kind of gave me a look. And then she said, well, yes, she was there. She. She was with my mama. And. And I said, but you couldn't get to your mom? And she said, no. And I could tell there's like this. I don't say sister hate thing, like new suspect, like really jealous of the other sister, whatever, but that's what I felt. And I said, so your other family members arrived throughout the night. And I said, did you ever, you know, talk to your mom about what she saw or anything? She said, no. And. And mama just said that she was dead. And. And I know that we kept trying to call him and find out where he was, and. And he wouldn't answer his phone. And I know just had to be over dope. It had to be overdose. The ends. She kept calling in words, and it must have, you know, been overdue. I said, so, you know, do you know what happened to. To your grandmother and how she was killed? He says, I said, that night, I mean, how did you find out? She said, I didn't find out till way after. After y' all told about the, you know, the autopsy and all that. I said that night you did not know how she was dead. You just knew she was dead. She said, yeah, I just Knew Mama said she was dead. And my sister said she was dead. I said, so you didn't. You didn't know how? And then y', all, this is huge. Think about it, right? And she told her brother she was beat in the head, and she said, no, I don't know how. Why would I know how? I said, cool. And then Calvin was like, okay, okay, and redirect her and getting her, you know, good cop, bad cop flowing in. And I asked her specifically, I said, what is your daily routine? You know, I said, your husband leaves for work, you get your kids off to school, so what do you do? She said, well, I clean my house. I'm like, you don't do too good of a job, right? I'm. I'm not trying to throw shade or anything, y', all, but it wasn't the best, right? But I probably shouldn't have said that, but whatever. She's like, I stay home, and I'm a housewife, and I. And, you know, I cook and clean and da, da. And I'm like. And I said, so when that day you were home? And she said, absolutely, I was home. I said, all right. And, you know, that's it. But she started back on, what did he confess to? What he confessed to, what he confessed to. And I'm just, like, looking at her like, she's stupid. And Calum's like, well, he said. He said that he. He killed her. You know, he said that he killed her. And she said, did he say anything else? And I said, what the hell else is he supposed to say? I said, I already asked you that. She said, well, I don't know. You know, did anybody help him or anything like that? I'm like, you just keep hanging yourself. I said, who's going to help him? I said, you said that in drug dealers. And. And she's. She was like, well, maybe so. And I said. I said, who else would have helped him? You tell me. And. And she. She just shut up and, you know, sat there and she realized what she was saying, right? And then sitting in a defensive manner and just kind of cleaned up a little bit in Calvin's, kind of took it back out. He said, look. He said, look, you know, appreciate you letting us in and talk today. You know, if you have any more questions, here's my card. You know, you give me a call. If she could think anything else, you give me a call. And we look also, y', all, during talking to. The whole time I'm there, talk to her. She had on long sleeves again. At times when I say sitting defensive, she that with her hands under her arms. Now it's been a while. It's been like 10, 11, 12 days. So she had any cuts that didn't require stitches or whatever, they pretty much would have been healed up. I was trying to check her hands and out without totally tipping my hand, if you will. And I know Calvin was too. And I mean, she had like. I don't know, she's just nasty. She had like. She. I'm gonna describe her parents too. She was, I don't know, probably 40 something or maybe early 40s, just real disheveled, unkempt. But she was, she was kind of gone. You can see her veins and stuff. And in. You know how some people's veins are more prominent than others, but you really couldn't tell and I wasn't going to ruin it right then and asked to see the hands again and all that. Anyways, Calvin smoothed it over, said, look, you know, we're leaving, we're gonna go talk to you, to your brother and everybody just to try to find out, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And she was like, okay, okay. And then she realized her ass wasn't going to jail. She just probably doing cartwheels inside. And that's it. We left, right? And we got outside and get in the car. And Calvin's like, that is guilty. Af. And we didn't say AF back then as now. I was like, yup. And I said, here's the deal. I said, we got tons and tons and tons of DNA evidence, dude. And I said, you know, we've got to wait on the evidence. He said, I agree. He said, there's no sense in rushing. And now he's locked up, he can't kill anybody else. We know she's lying. She's lied about talking to him. I mean that unless a ghost answered the phone that morning at her house from him. She's lied about what she's. When the last time she saw him. She's lied about it that night, you know. I said, fuck, man, she's lying about everything. He's like, you're right. I said, so here's the deal. I'm so. I'm betting my whole career her DNA's coming back inside that crime scene. I said, I would bet my life on it. She beat her grandmother unconscious with that bottle. And she had broke. And it was like, I think the same thing, man. I totally agree. I said, so we just gotta pray out of all that blood that her DNA is in it and that Otherwise she isn't gonna confess to it. And it to. Up until this point, he hadn't confessed to it. And to her being there, I'm talking about. And so that's what we had to do, y'. All. We had to wait. Now, DNA back then really was in this still. It was. It was like 10, 15 years since it had been readily been available to law enforcement, but it still wasn't. You get DNA evidence, you can go in with a letter from governor and asking for it to be rushed. And they just didn't have the technology and the. The lab people to do it. And now I knew this, listen, right? It wasn't six months after this that I went to the Louisiana State Police as a criminal investigator, right? And I knew the people in the lab. Now, after I was at the Louisiana State Police, Governor Bobby Jindal approved a ton of funding for more scientists, if you would call them that, or whatever they call them, technicians to do nothing but run DNA. And I know this because I interviewed them and I did the polygraphs and stuff. So it got a lot better in. The backlog of DNA cases got a lot quicker as time went on. But right now, it was no telling how long it was going to be to the DNA came back. So other than that, all we could do is sit and wait and wait and wait. That's it. I'm gonna stop it right here for this week because it is so much more. And this, the next episode, part seven, will be the most damning episode you have heard yet. I cannot do the story justice and try and give you another hour, or it's probably gonna be an hour and a half at least of it today. So tune in next week, which will be Christmas week. So Merry Christmas to everybody early and you will hear part seven and then the next episode we release. Our release will be part eight, and that'll be the conclusion where I tie everything up. So. But next week is the real meat of the matter. And if you think I've been saying this, if you think you know the story, you don't know. And wait until I tell you the things that were never released. And I appreciate y' all listening. This episode is necessary to build up to what's coming. Over 3 million of y' all listening or 3 million listens in 20 months. Pretty impressive lifers and I love and appreciate each and every one of you. Justice recording Coco is coming. Please continue to call in your tips on Ms. Barbara Blunt. Call them in. As soon as Coco's arrest murders are arrested, we are going to drop. Don't call it a cold case. And that's going to be. It's already been produced. The first season thus far has already been produced, and it's on Miss Barbara Blunt's cold case. So we're going to be releasing that and then be able to get on that full time. And Toby, Tom Play and I are doing that together, and we need y' all to help solve that case. We're going to do exactly what we did. Courtney's case, but with the cooperation of law enforcement. We, the sheriff Ard and his people were working on this case, and Calvin Bowden is one of them. And then the chief of Calvin is number two. I think now overall, the criminal investigation Division, I think is what they call it for the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office. And Ben Bourgeois, my good friend, is the actual chief of detectives, so. But those guys are working on it. And now, even though we're in the height of COVID again and all that, don't think it's not being worked on. And the bad guys or girls, I know you're listening to this, so we are coming for you. And that's not a threat. It's a promise. And so. But y' all can, you know, continue to call on your tips and just love and appreciate each and every one of you. I'm going to be doing some extra releases this week. One lives the Crew Bash and y'. All. I had been asked to be the. The head for the crew of Denham Springs. I was going to be the. The. They don't call it the King. They call it the. The Grandmaster, whatever it's called. Anyway, I was gonna. I was gonna be riding in the parade. I was Real honor. I appreciate y'. All. That. That crew for the Mardi Gras parade, and they were the last ones that had to cancel because of COVID I think the date was like, February 12th. Grand Marshall. That's what it's called. Grand Marshal. And that we were gonna, you know, have a real good time with that. But it's been canceled, too. But we are the crew Bash is coming and we have a date picked, a tentative date picked and all that. But I'll. I'll be doing a drop and I'll be explaining all that to you later this week. So. Lopa, give the gift of life. Oh, I gotta say this. We lost a dear, dear friend this week. Ashley Falcon. And Ashley was a beautiful young lady. I think she was maybe 32 or. But anyway, I met at the Real Life Real crime. She was a fan first then y' all hear me talk about the Dream Team moderators that are run ones who run the crew page. They were which over 28,000 members now. And you know, they deal with stuff every day because they. They love real life, real crime. And I mean they moderate that page. You imagine you have over 28,000 members in a private group. You can get some nut jobs in there and people who post inappropriate stuff even for a true crime page. So anyway, they do all the stuff day in and day out and I love you Dream Team moderators. But actually was one of our first moderators and she was on a trip to. I think to the mountains in Tennessee and she died, y'. All. The. She passed away, I think in her sleep. And. Anyway, she was a Dream Team moderator. She was alive for first Dream Team moderator for the longest time. She actually came to each one of my live shows and worked it for free or helped us work it and. And you know, she was just a true friend to so many. Biggest smile in the world. Biggest heart in the world. Just the love. And she loved photography and she loved to fish. And I would be joking with her. I. You know, she'd call me or text me and say, hey, you catch any fish today? And I'm like, no, I hadn't run my lines right and. But she. She was loved better by than you and God rest your soul, Ashley and. And my life was better for having known you and thank you for all you did for real Life, Real crime and for me and for. That's from Sydney also. And we love you and we'll miss you and we're praying for your family and friends and everyone who knew you and we love you so local y'. All Louisiana Organ Procurement Agency Give the gift of life the sign up to be an Oregon down or go to lopa.org and tell them that you heard about him through it takes like two minutes. Tell him you heard about it from the Livingston Parish Literacy and Technology Center. Criminal justice students or life or crime and give the gift of life. Okay. Those people aren't making any money. It's a nonprofit organization. But they're saving lives every day in the organs and the eyesight and the different things that they do and we'll get in that in the future. But if you can be a hero, right? And I said and. And I'm Woody Overton, you host a Real Life Real Crime the podcast. And until next time or ever, don't let me catch you down on murder by you Peace. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. 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