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Know it's all about you Cut you down no matter about you now you better walk alive. Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people, I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling, you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Okay, so I'm gonna make some more announcements at the end of the show. So stay tuned for that. Some pretty big announcements actually, so stay tuned at the end of the podcast. But let's conclude, or hopefully let's conclude. I actually don't know how long it'll go to get done telling it because it's coming out of my head. But let's try to conclude what happened to Jackie. So last week when I left you, we had returned to Bujo's residence with a search warrant after coming from the hospital and photographing the, I think it was 50, 57 different scratches and bruises, et cetera, that she had to her body. And so we had the search warrant and go and knock on the door and Boudreaux comes through the door. Remember I told y'. All. One of the things stands out in my mind about him, it's not only his physique and all that, but those big thick glasses and you know the one kind I'm talking about. You see somebody, you meet somebody that has that thick of glasses and the big round frames, but they're so thick they magnify that person's eyes and when you're looking at them, they kind of look bug eyed at you. I'm telling you, when he opened that door and he saw me and he saw all the detectives behind me and the cop cars in his yard, his eyes popped Big bug eyed like that. And I guarantee you what went to his mind at that moment was Sugar had just turned the shit because it was on. So he opens the door, I say, hey, Mr. Boudreaux, we're here. We got a search warrant for your residence and for your body. And he was like, whoa, what's going on? Yeah, I don't understand. And I said, this is the deal. And then just, you know, let us come in and talk to you. And I said, really, you don't have a choice. I said, we're coming in, you know, so went in and Mr. Kearney, remember I told you Kearney Foster, the chief of detectives, and he had never been out, I'd never been out on the scene with him. And now I wasn't a rookie detective. I probably been in, I don't know, six or eight months or something like that. And certainly I had worked on some homicides and rapes and different cases, but. And I'd had a lot of success. But I was by no means the senior guy, right? All the major scenes I'd been out on, Mr. Kearney had never rolled out on one. And for some reason Mr. Norris wasn't there. And he was our actual chief of detects. Now Kearney was chief deputy and that means he was number two. He only answered to the sheriff, so the chief of detectives has to answer to the chief deputy, right? So we have the chief deputy on scene. Now you got to remember, Mr. Kearney has been doing this like 35 years or something like that and murders and rapes and whatever. And one of the great things about him was he didn't care if it was a burglary or a homicide. He worked at the same. And I mean he, when he worked something or he was involved in something, he hammered the out of it, right? So, but like I told you, I have mad respect for him. I still do. I don't care whatever is said about the man. He's simply the most knowledgeable investigator I ever met in my entire life. So we go in Kearney and was Chuck told him to sit down on the couch and they started talking to him. First of all, they advised him it was Miranda rights. And he was like, well, do I need a lawyer? And they were like, are you guilty? And they weren't soft on him from the get go. They started questioning him. Meanwhile, we're starting to search the residents. But I could hear everything that they were questioning about, right? And so they got him past Miranda and the consent to question part. And he said, okay, I'LL answer. And he understood his rights. And they start going at him. And to get him to tell his story again. First of all, I guess Kearney wants to hear it himself. So he's telling the same story about coming home, checking on her covers up to her neck, blah, blah, blah. And I go down the hallway. I want to start at Jackie's room, and guess what? I open the door to Jackie's room. The door was closed. Open the door to Jackie's room, and it's been stripped clean. No sheets, no blanket, no pillows. And I was like, oh, fuck. And so I go back towards the living room, and I could hear him telling his story. And then at the end of it, Mr. Kearney said, that's really your story? And he was like, yeah, that's my story. And he said, that didn't make any sense. And Ms. Kearney had this finger, one finger, like, on his index finger that was kind of. I don't know if he broke it or something bad when he was younger, but it kind of. It was a little bit crooked. And he started pointing that finger. And believe me, I had it in my face numerous times over the years as he developed me as a detective. And he started with that pointing at him. He's like, you know what? That's bullshit. You know it's bullshit. And he starts ripping into him. And I went in there, I said, oh. I said, Mr. Kearney, I said, I need to tell you something. And came to the side and told him. I said, all the bedding is gone. And he turned around and he asked and he said, Ms. Boudreau said, where's all the Jackie's bedding? And he said, what do you mean? He said, I mean the. Where's all the bedding that was in the room the day that you found her dead on the floor? And he said, well, I got rid of it. He said, what do you mean you got rid of. He said, did you throw it away? He said, where is it? And he said, no, I burned it. And he said, you burned it? And he's like, why in the hell would you burn it? I said, I'll tell you why. Because you know you guilty. You know, you had to do with her injuries and her being in hospital. And he was like, no, I didn't know I did. He said, why in the fuck would you burn the bed? And he said, don't you know that possible evidence? I think Chuck said that. Don't you know that's possible evidence? And the guy was like, no, I didn't know evidence because there's no crime. Then they asked him, so where'd you burn it at? He said, out back in the burn pile. Of course, I mean, we had to go out there and verify that also. But anyway, I returned to the search that they're ripping his ass and then going through. There was nothing in Jackie's bedroom. There was no blood. Of course, y' all remember I had the pictures that I'd taken that day. And I didn't know that I was looking for blood, but certainly there was no large amounts of blood or anything. And I reviewed those photographs before we went over there. I knew what the bedding looked like. I knew at least the bedding was on the floor when I got there. And I didn't see any blood, not even, I mean, in the photographs I saw. And now, though, I'm looking at his carpet on the flooring, I'm looking and looking flashlight and light on, et cetera, and it's just not there. And it just further gives a defense attorney the argument that, you know, she had all these scratches and then there should have been some blood there, right? That so somebody did it at the hospital when she got there, et cetera. Again, goes back to the doctor keeping us out of the room and me giving in and not pressing forward to getting the examiner, right? So I'll never forgive myself for that. But wasn't my call. So they're going at him. We're searching the residence. And I went to the kitchen area next. Somebody else had already searched the baby's room and they were searching like the bathroom and all that. And I went to the kitchen area and I started going through the drawers in the kitchen in like the second drawer down onto the left hand side of the sink. I opened it and I remember distinctly what was in it, and I'll tell you why. It was a large Cajun injector syringe with a long metal needle on it. Now, let me tell you what Cajun Injector is and why I know so much about it. Cajun Injector is a product was developed by Mr. Edgar Williams, who's actually was my father's best friend. And it was developed from in my hometown. He had a restaurant called the Front Porch. And this man could cook like you wouldn't believe. But what he did was came up with all these different marinades that you could inject into like prime rib or pork roast or whatever. But the big market for where it really took off was for frying turkeys. And so they had this huge Syringe. I don't know what milliliters or whatever ounces it was but it's probably. I use them every year, I mean for Thanksgiving. But it's probably 5 inches long and maybe a big around as a roll of quarters and. But the needle on it is what's so impressive. It's probably another 4 inches stainless steel needle and it's hollow on the inside. It's a big needle. I mean it's not like a needle they draw blood from. It's. I mean it's made to push a massive amount of liquid into an injection site. So I saw that, I took notice of it. I was thinking Mr. Egger died many years before and the company had been sold and all that since then and everything. But it stuck in my head. But I wasn't looking for a cage injector needle or any other kind of. I was just looking. We were trying to get lucky on something because it really didn't add up, the scratches and the bruises, et cetera. And so I remember that being there and we went through and didn't nothing else really jumped out at me. But I did notice a couple crosses in the living room and then I went into Boudreaux's bedroom. Now at this point they're really running his ass all up in his ass about he's lying. And you don't come home to check on a 20 something year old at 6 o' clock in the morning after you work out all night. You did this to her. Oh, I'll tell you what else we did before we went over there, printed out the pictures from the hospital of Jackie's body and the injuries and printed them out and had them in a folder. And at some point Mr. Kearney, when the guy Boudreaux kept denying, denying and they were getting more aggressive with them if you will. And they pulled out the photos and they started slamming them down on the table in front of them. We usually do that for shock value, to try to shock somebody or to watch their reaction when they see it or try to shock them into breaking them into a confession. And sometimes in their mind the killer or their attacker doesn't even realize how much harm they caused. But then you can put down those photographs in front of them and then that kind of shocks them back to their senses like oh shit, I'm not going to be able to get out of this or I didn't realize I'd done this much damage. And sometimes they have guilt and remorse, whatever. So they're at that point of It. And I go into Bujo's bedroom, and it's obvious what side of the bed he slept on and what side his wife slept on. His wife had like, hand creams and stuff and like romance novel and just chick stuff, wife stuff. And on his side he had a Bible. And it was. It was well worn, and it was a thick Bible. And he had a cross on his nightstand and the lamp and not much else. So, you know, I'm taking notes of these things. We go on. And then somebody else came in, was helping search his bedroom. Oh, he had a tv. He had a small television in his bedroom with the. One of the old ones with the VCR attached to the bottom of it. And younger listeners, you probably know what that is. It was a combo. It was a television with the VCR built into one of it. And I turned on the VCR and out pops the tape and it says beach vacation. And it was. I think it was like 2000 or something like that, or 2001 beach vacation. And so I pushed it back in and the screen comes on and turns on. It's on the beach. So I think it was like in Biloxi or somewhere because the water was. Was dirty. And it's a video of Jackie in a bikini sitting on the beach besides her mom. Well, I would later identify the lady as her mom sitting beside an older woman. And they're laughing. And Jackie had on sunglasses, y'. All. And I just can't describe the natural beauty this young lady had also. I mean, she didn't look like a young lady. She was the old street term. She was built like a brick house. Right? I mean, she was very, very beautiful. And facial features, body development, whatever you want to call it, the showing. She was beautiful. But this video is being taken of them. And he's not talking to him. I assume it's him taking it, Boudreaux taking it. He's not talking to him, but he's focusing on Jackie's body and the bikini. And I'm like, oh, shit. And I'm thinking, and this is that. Now, the video was. Was longer than just the beat scene. There was other things I wrote in the video when I got back to the office and watched it, etc. But it's. So it wasn't coincidence, but it jumped out at me that when you put the thing into play on a VCR tape, when you put it in the play like that, on one of those, you hit play, it plays from the last position or the last frame. When you turn the machine Off. So when the TV VCR combo was turned off, it was at the point of Jackie on the beach being filmed in her bikini. Important? Yeah, I think so. So anyway, I seized that, that was one of the only things I took for the residence, honestly. And then we went outside to search. He had a shed that was off the ground. It was on cement footers, I guess you call them. They're like two foot extension legs under. It wasn't a big shed but it was probably a, I don't know, four by eight, something like that. But it was raised off the ground and had wooden steps going in and it was a maroon color and it needed a paint job. Obviously it was a homemade shed and not one of those that you can go buy and pay monthly on. But when you went to walk up the steps to go into the shed, the door is open, it's full of stuff. But in the doorway, at the base of the doorway is a can. And never forget it exceeding my mind's eye right now it's a small metal can, I don't know, like a quart but more square. It's not round in with the metal lid and it's white and it had blue across the middle of it and the white letter, it had acetone. Acetone. I didn't think anything about it, right. Acetone other than sometimes that back then in the red phosphorus method on making methods, acetone, when she used to wash or the pills and stuff like that. I was thinking, well maybe that, you know, is why the mother's in the hospital would burn. Maybe she was cooking meth, whatever, didn't think anything else about it. And it was sitting in the doorway like somebody walking past the shed or something and it just didn't have time to go in. They just stuck it on, on the doorway because remember I told you it's raised. It was probably two or three feet off the ground. Search of the shed, nothing, right? But that acetone metal thing in the doorway stood out of my mind. Of course we took pictures of everything, right. I would took a picture of the shed from, to document it later on if we need to put together a layout of the property or whatever in case there's a criminal trial. So then we go back to where the burn pile was and sure enough, I mean it had been burned that day or the day before. I think it was probably burnt Sunday when we were out there. But there were some remnants left of the comforter and you know, some foam from a pillow or whatever. But he burnt the shit out of it. I mean, and there was a gas can out there. It was a burn pile. Let me tell you all about that. When you live in the country, for you city folks don't know, you don't always have trash pickup. So a lot of people will especially they have property, legal or not, they do burn piles and they take their trash out and they'll burn it on. When you have property like that with trees on it, et cetera, and storms come through and the limbs fall out of trees, you make a burn pile and you burn all that shit so you don't have to haul it off somewhere. So they had been burning stuff there for a while. It's a pretty good sized burn pile. A lot of remnants and leftover junk, if you will. And there were some of that blanket. And of course we photograph that. That's it though, right? So we're going. I'm going back into the trailer. And they have Boudreaux. I hear telling Boudreaux, we need you to stand up and take off your shirt. And he was like, what for? And we said, we need to examine your body for any scratches, whatever. He's like, I don't want to do that. And Ms. Kearney said, you can do it here or you can do it at the jailhouse. He said, but you're going to do it. And he was pointing that finger and. And it was like, what do you mean? He said, I'm telling you, we have a. The search warrant includes for your body, for any possible injuries, et cetera. He said, now I can have you brought to the jail in the back of a police car and stuck in a cell. And when we get there, we'll come photograph you. Or you can simply do it right here. Why won't you do it right here? If you didn't have anything to do with this, then you need to comply. And so Boo drove hesitantly, but he did it.

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And then they looked over him and in he didn't have any. He didn't have any marks. And then they told him to take his pants off and he was not a happy camper. But it didn't matter. He had to do it anyway. Took his pants off and then they had him drop his underwear, his drawers, whatever y' all call them, and turn around, et cetera, and he just didn't have a mark on him. And then he puts his stuff back on, and he's pissed. I mean, he's red in the face by this point. And I was, you know, I was being nice to him during that point. I said, Mr. Boudreaux, you just cooperate with him. I mean, the sooner you do it, the sooner we get out of your hair. And it was like he was just shaking his head, etc. And I had been nice to him. I was nice to him the first time we interviewed him. There's no reason for me to go against his ass, go after him. But I'm tell you something, Mr. Kearney and Chuck were wearing him out, rightfully. So they were going for a confession, right? And they've been doing this forever. And he kept adamantly denying, and the search warrant wrapped up, and they were still going at him. And I always said, a good homicide interrogation doesn't really even begin to after, like, five hours of wearing on somebody that won't confess. Right? But we've been there, I don't know, a couple hours. And then they were going on. And Ms. Curry said, I'm gonna tell you something. You did this, and you either either some kind of accident, or you just a damn sexual monster. Said, your wife's been in the hospital for three weeks. What were y'? All. We got, man. And it got out of hand and she hit her head or something. He said, well, you know, you need to tell us what happened. He said, because I'll come back here. I'm coming back with a murder warrant. And you better pray to God she doesn't die. You better pray to God that she lives. And. And he said, are you praying, man? He said, yes, sir, I'm a praying man. I pray every night. He said, I don't go to church, but I pray and I read my Bible every night. Mr. Kearney said, well, you better pray to the Lord above that that girl gets a full recovery and can tell us that you didn't rape her or didn't murder her. Is it because when she dies, coming back with a murder warrant? And he finally, he had enough. He said, well, you know what? If y' all ever have everything you need, he said, you need to leave. And they. They didn't let up on his. Start asking more questions. He said, you know what? I want a lawyer. Boom. Shuts it down. And Mr. Kearney and we're like, that's fine, you know, when we come back, we'll come back, a murder warrant. And, you know, y' all get your stuff and let's go. Getting ready to go out the door. And Boudreaux sitting on the couch. I said, Mr. Kern, I'm going to have a just. I said, I just want to talk to Mr. Boudreaux for just a second. He said, he's already asked for the Lord. You can't talk, you can't ask me any questions, Ms. Kern. And I knew I was going to catch for it, but I had kind of an aha. I just wanted to run. But the. I knew he was going to catch for. But I said, I'm not going to ask him any questions, Ms. Kearney. I just want to talk to him. Human being. A human being for a minute. And he's like, what are you, some kind of pacifist? And then I think he kind of picked up on what I was going to do. So when he stepped outside, I said, Mr. Boudreaux, I said, listen, you already asked for a lawyer. So I sat down across from my handles. I said, I'm not going to ask you any questions. I said, but I said, I'm a huge, huge faithful person, and I'm a believer. I said, I saw the Bible on the side of your bed, and it looks well worn. I know you read it every night. And he shook his head, yeah, he was almost in tears at this point. And he had his head in his hands and was looking down, and I had my hand on his knee. And I said, well, you know what? I said, you need to pray to God. And I said, pray to God that he delivers Jackie or pray to God tonight. And I said, you get your lawyer, need to do it however you want to. I said, but you've got to come up with an explanation how she got so injured. I said, it was just you and her mama's been in the hospital. I said, I understand that you're saying you didn't have anything to do with it. I said, but if you took yourself out of this, let's say it's a criminal trial and you're sitting on a jury, and you look at the evidence that's presented and you look outside looking in. I said, what? I mean, it looks bad for you. And I said, what does it look like? And I said, no, no, don't answer this. I'm not asking you questions. I said, it looks horrible for you. I said, you would get convicted. I said, and even. Even if it never made it to a criminal trial. Mr. Boudreaux. I said, they don't have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt to get a murder warrant that says that you killed her if she dies, that you killed her. I said, all that we have to have to get a warrant is probable cause. I said, do you know what the definition probable cause is? I said, don't answer that because I can't ask you any questions. I said, but I'm going to tell you the definition of Probable cause is 50% plus one. I said, and there's way more than if you just take the circumstances, you being here and the way you called and said she's dead, and the way that she said the blanket was to her neck and you check it on her. I said, everything adds up. I said, that's without any DNA coming back on her or anything like that. I said, Mr. Boudreaux, you touch that girl, you got to come up with an explanation, you know? I said, it's. The investigation is going to go where it's going to go. And I promise you, those guys want you, and they want. They want to d. And I look and I said, let me tell you something. Jackie's beautiful. And he was shaking his head, and I said, I know that. And they know this. And, you know, if it goes before a jury and it's presented like this and they look at you. I said, no offense, but then they look at Jackie. I said, it's going to be bad for you, man. I said, listen, I'm begging you, pray tonight and come up with an explanation, and whether you want to give it to your lawyer or whatever, just come up with something. I said, because the dog that you're hunting with right now, he's not hunting. It just doesn't make any sense. And he started crying. I think the shot came back to the door and said, come on, what do we got to go? Kerman wants to go. And I. Sorry. So I said, it's just Mr. Boudreau. I said, just remembering what I told you. And I left. We go outside and. And Colonel's like, what did you do? I said, I just played the Jesus angle on him. I said, he had a big Bible by his bed and crosses throughout. And I said, just, you know, pray that for miraculous healing and that Jesus gives you some insight on what happened, whatever. And they. They kind of shrug, right? And then not. Not thinking that it had a chance in hell working. So Mr. Carney left and went home, and we went. We went back to. Well, no, actually, before we left, we were standing there in the deal to get a game plan together. Because remember, now it's after hours. And we had the night shift detectives, which were Brian Paul Smith, like I told you about. And I think. I think it was Kim McMorris was his partner on nights and then. But everybody else that was there was on overtime, and they were like, okay, what's the plan? Really didn't have one, right. I said, but, you know, I said, I'd like to go interview the mother. And Kearney said, good, good. He said, you go. And he said, take you and Brian Paul go together. He said, let Ken stay in the parish in case they have any detective calls that come in. But y' all go to Baton Rouge and interview her, see what she says in them. We'll talk about it tomorrow in the office. And so I had to get tagged evidence from the search warrant, y'. All. It has to be placed in evidence, and we have to write a search warrant, return to the judge listing what items that we took, et cetera. And then we had to serve him back with a copy. So we had a lot more work to do. But Chuck went home, and again, that's. That's that old school mentality. I mean, you know, let them. Let them run and go do it. How many people can interview the mom, right? And it's after quitting time for them, and they've been doing it 25 years. And Mr. Kearney actually didn't live far from where Boudreaux lived. So I think that's probably was one of the reasons that he actually went on that search warrant, other than he was pissed that we didn't get the information we needed at the hospital, but maybe worried that it's going to turn into a shit show media or whatever or. Or might miss out on homicide investigation. Anyway, so Mr. Kearney went home, Chuck goes home, and Brian Paul and I first went to the sheriff's office, and I tagged all the evidence and submitted it and did the search warrant return. And then we drive to Baton Rouge. I rode him actually to Baton Rouge to the Baton Rouge General Hospital. And we badged our way in to the burn unit and asked to speak to Jackie's mom. And the charge nurse said, I asked, first of all, I said, you know, can we hear? I said, her daughter is in the intensive care unit in North Oak. She said, really? She said, nobody's been to see her. Nobody's. We hadn't heard anything about it. And she said, look, she's pretty messed up and Talking about the mom, she's pretty messed up. Her, I mean her legs are very severely burned. She's on morphine and different pain medicines every four hours. I said she may be awake to talk to you, she may not. I said. She said let me go call her doctor because I don't even know if we want you going in there and telling her her daughter is a death store whatever. So she called the doctor and, and actually got on the phone. I told the doctor, I said look, if she doesn't know, she needs to know. I said this, her daughter's not going to live. And he said well I don't know what to tell you. He said she's not, you know, going to have a heart attack or anything, I don't think. And he says, so go ahead and tell her. So anyway, we got into the room, Brian Paul and I did and the lady was. I mean it was kind of burnt flesh is kind of just. It's just bad. And I've dealt with a lot of times in the career but seeing it like that with all the ointments and stuff and it's not covered up I guess because they want the air to heal, help heal it. I don't know. This woman was burnt to shit from like ankles up to the lower part of her thighs. I mean it's bad and it has smell that you really don't forget about. But anyway, so we go in and she's hooked up to, you know, the pain machines and the mantras and all that. And we had to introduce ourselves and she was like why are you here? I don't understand. And she was kind of loopy, but she wasn't that loopy. And I told her, I said listen again, I'm not going to say the family name because I don't know whatever happened to the kid. Let me tell you all this. The some people commented about what happened to the kid. I should have said that on the first one. And I did ask Boudreaux that the first day when we were there about the baby, where's the baby now? And there was a family friend that lived close by who would keep the kid. And she had came and picked the baby up, the toddler up and the toddler was still there at this time with that family. So anyway, told the mom, said listen, you know it's bad news for you. Said Jackie is in very serious condition in the intensive care unit in Hammond. And she was like I don't understand what happened. I don't understand. I mean shit, y' all this is what, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday. This is Tuesday night. Tuesday or Wednesday? I don't know. It's been several days. Right before we heard back from the icu and we did everything. So anyway, she was like, what happened? And we told her that Boudreaux called. 91 1, et cetera. She said, that son of a bitch never told me anything. And I. Da, da, da. I said, well, y'. All. Are y' all on speaking terms? She said, yeah, we're on speaking terms. I said, have you talked to him since Sunday? She said, yeah, I talk to him on the phone a couple times. And she said, I know he works a lot, but, I mean, why wouldn't he tell me? I said, I'd like to know that myself. I said, can you tell me about Boudreaux and Jackie's relationship? And she said, what do you mean? I said, I'm like, did they get along? She said, yes. She said, he adores her. He said he puts her on a pedestal. And, you know, he said, just. Just cherishes her. And I'm thinking, yeah, I bet he does. And so we're kind of kid gloving it. And without telling her about all, she said, I know you got to tell me more. And I said, I told her so. The doctor said originally he thought it was a drug overdose and that he told her she wasn't going to make it. And. And that was it. And then we come to find out they put her in intensive care and come to find out that she had a lot of injuries to her. And she said, what do you mean injuries? I said, a lot of bruises and scratches. I said, at that time, we started working it as a criminal investigation, and, you know, it's an ongoing deal. And I said, but we served a search warrant on your residence today looking for evidence. I said, boudreaux burned Jackie's com. Jackie's comforter and pillow, and all, you know, all her stuff that was in. In the bedroom on the floor when we were there on Sunday. And she said, I don't know why he would do that. I said, you have a wash machine and dryer? I said, I saw it. I said, does he not know how to wash clothes? She said, he washes his work clothes every other day. And so, you know, I'm gleaning information from y', all, if you will. And then I asked her, I said, let me ask you, miss so and so. I said, can what happened to you? And then she came kind of standoffish a little bit. She said, what do you mean what happened? I said, well, I mean, obviously you've been in a burn unit for three weeks. I mean, you've got bad injuries here. I mean, I can see them looking at them. And she said, well, I was in the backyard and I was just messing with the burn pile and spilled a can of gas and I got burned up. And then she cut it off. And I'm just like, I'm not really here questioning about a crime to her. But that didn't add up. I mean, because she was burned up. I just. Anyway, I left it alone. So we talked to her about it. We locked her into a tape statement about Boudreaux cherishing Jackie and doting on her and, you know, all the love and attention he showed to her, etc. And that he had not called her or they. That they had talked, but he hadn't told her anything about Jackie's being in the intensive care unit or even. Because he didn't know until we showed up that she was in ICU like that. But even that, he had to call 911 and he found her dead in his own words. So we locked her into all that and that's it. And we wrapped it up with Left Hunt. You know, Ryan Paul said, man, doesn't look good, right? I said, nope. I said, well, you think that she's been in the hospital for three weeks. Maybe they Boudreaux trying to play house with her. He said, I don't know, man. He said, it sure is interesting that, you know. So that night I go home. I have ocd, extreme ocd, but my OCD is not where, you know, I'm washing my hands a thousand times a day or checking locks and shit like that. Mine is. My brain gets a hold of something. I can't turn it off. I can't let it go. I fixate on it and goes over and over and over and over. And I think that's what partly makes me so successful or made me so successful as an investigator and detective, especially in cold cases, is. And when you run it over in your head a million times, you're going to come up with ideas and things that maybe other people that don't come up with because you run it through your head so many times. But anyway, that I didn't sleep that night. And I just kept thinking about it over and over again. I wanted to get back at Boudreaux. I said, I just wanted to go be able to sit down. Because when I came at him soft, after they had been at him Hard for so long, he started crying. And when I did the Jesus, the, you know, believe in God angle, he jumped all over that, right? And I said, man, if I could just get back to him and tell him that God gave me a dream tonight. God told me, came to me in a dream. Yeah. And. But I couldn't go. He's. He's got a. He's got a lawyer, right? He lorried up. So the next morning, I get dressed, I drive into the sheriff's office in the Texas. Office was upstairs. I'll go in and Mr. Norris was in. And he always got there early in the morning. He's drinking his coffee. He said, hey, Book, you and I gotta go down to Kearney's office. I said, oh, fuck, here we go. He said he wants talk to you. And. All right. And I'm like, here we go, going on the carpet again. And I'm getting my ass reamed yesterday for going back in and trying to talk to Boudreaux or whatever. And in Norris, he was so cool, man. I mean, you didn't know if you were in trouble or not. I mean, he certainly didn't take anything personal or whatever. And I'll tell you some other stories. I'm put up some stories on Patreon about it where we really screwed some stuff up. Being like, Brian Paul and I did a case one time, probably should have got fired over, but we did it in good faith. Anyway, Mr. Norris is just a smooth cat, but. So we go down. I'm thinking I'm about to get ring from one end to the other. He's gonna tear me up, shoot me up, spit me out. We go in and he had a little secretary's office outside that you had to walk through. And then you go in. Actually, I think his secretary's name was Ms. Jackie, also Ms. Jackie Lockhart. But you go into his office, they say, y' all come in and shut the door. And he leaned back in his chair and he steepled his fingers under his chin. He said. He said, woody, he said, tell me again what you said to Boudreaux yesterday. I said, Mr. Kearney, I'm doing the search of the residence. I noticed the crosses. I noticed the only thing he had on his bedside table was the Bible. It was well worn there for decorations. And, you know, I said, well, went back in. I asked him, did he believe in God. He jumped all over it. I said, you need to pray to God. God tells you, et cetera. I ran it down to him and I said, I know, he asked for an attorney. I said, there was a couple times I started to ask him a question, and I told him. I said, nope, don't answer that. Said, I can't ask you any questions. I said, basically, I was just trying to get the juice out of him. Mr. Kearney. I said, in the. Using the things that I saw and observed in the residence, et cetera. And I suppose y'. All. Y' all been digging in his ass. And he kind of smiled and chuckled a little bit about that, and that's in. He said, well, whatever you did, you did something right. I was like, what are you talking about? He said, boudreaux called this morning and told the sheriff that he wanted to talk to Woody Overton and Woody Overton only. And he said, I just wanted to know what you said. And I said, well, all I did was I went at him soft after y' all had been grinding on him. And he said, now this hugely important that we talk about what you do when you go back out there. He said, I want you to have a recorder turned on from the time you walk up to the door. I want you to confirm with him that he called the sheriff and asked to speak with you directly. And then I want you to confirm with him that he does not want a lawyer, that you didn't force him or coerce him, and to give him the statement or call him back, et cetera, et cetera. And I was like, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. And meanwhile, I'm pumped, right? I'm like, holy shit. The. I mean, I thought about it all night long, and if I could just have one more shot at him, I just know I could do something. So I go back out there, and he. I knock on the door. He opens the door, same clothing description. This time, he's like, come on in, Mr. Way. Come on, Mr. Willie. I said. I said, Mr. Boudreaux. I said, just call me Woody. I said. He said, you know, I said, I'm gonna call you sir because it's the way I was raised. I said, but, you know, I appreciate you. You calling me out here. I said, but the. I said, you're waiving your rights. A lawyer? I said, you said yesterday, you want a lawyer? He said, I wanted a lawyer for them other assholes. He said, I want to talk to you. You were good to me. You were good to me on Sunday. You were good to me yesterday. You took the time to talk to me and talk to me about God. And he said. And I said, I want to talk to you. I said, I understand that. I said, but I need to advise you your rights. And so I did it. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be just against you to court law. You have a right to an attorney prior to a question. Can't afford one court. 114. Do you understand? He said, yes, I understand my rights. I said, you know, I said, I didn't do anything to coerce you to calling the sheriff. He said, I called the sheriff on my own. He said, I told him that I wanted to talk to you because you were good to me. And I remember something. I said, okay. I said, and you don't want a lawyer? No, I don't want a lawyer. I said, I threatened you. I promised you anything. No, you haven't. I said, all right, so let's go out on the back porch. And he said, you want some iced tea? And I said, sure. So he went in the kitchen, made us some iced tea like we're buds, right? And he comes out, there's two rocking chairs on the back porch which look out towards that shed in the burn pile in the woods on either side. And we sit down and he starts rocking back and forth a little bit. And he's taking a sip of his tea. And I'm just sitting there. I'm waiting on him to talk. I'm not going to start it. And he said, well, he said, Mr. Woody. I said, now you just call me Woody. Mr. Boudreaux said, Woody. He said, I thought about it all night last night. I said, I thought about it too, Mr. Boudreaux. And he said, well, I know how she got those injuries. I said, yes, sir. And tell me how. He said, well, you see, that night she called me, being that Saturday night, she called me and asked me because she had friends over for a party. And I told her no. So she was mad at me. I said, okay. And he said, I believe she went out there in the woods over there and was. Was getting some limbs out of a tree to start a fire because she liked to be around fire. And I'm thinking, what is a fucking family of pyromaniacs? You know, moms burn up and shit. And then he burns up the potential evidence. And now he's saying, jackie like fires also. But anyway, he said, so she went out there and got a hold of this big limb that's hanging in a tree, and it fell on her, and that's what caused all those bruises and scratches. And he kind of looks at me, he's sitting to my left and we're facing forward right. He's looking at me to the right. I'm kind of looking at him and I'm looking at his big glasses and I'm rocking. And I said, well, Mr. Boudreau, I said, you and I both know that's not true. He's like, no, I could take you out there and show you the limb. I said, no, I don't need to go see the limb. He said, why not? I said, well, guess what? I said I prayed last night before I went to sleep. I said, God came to me in my sleep. I said, it gives me goosebumps right now. Mr. Boudreaux, I said, you will not believe this because I telling you, God came to me in my sleep and told me that you were going to call for me to come out here today. And he told me that you were going to try to lie to me. And he told me that you were going to tell me the truth. And he said not to accept your first lie, that that would you be in self preservation and denial of of whatever sin it is that you need to confess. And he was. His eyes got kind of big. I said, mister, I'm not lying to you. I said, I'm telling you the truth. I know God told you to call for me. I said I didn't know how I was going to get back out here because you had a lawyer. I said, I get to the office and they call me down. I think I'm in trouble. And guess what it is. You call the sheriff to bring me out here to talk to you. I said, that's exactly what God told me in my dream.

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I said, we got to get it out in whatever it is that happened. I don't believe you're a monster, you know? I said, whatever it is that happened, it can't be undone. Mr. Boudreau I said, and guess what? When we went back out there that day, we took DNA swabs on every single one of the scratches and bruises, and we had a sexual assault nurse come out and do a rape kit on her. And then he was just. I mean, the color was raining out of his face. I said, so that DNA takes a little bit of time. And I said, it's not like on TV where they get it back an hour. It might take a couple weeks, but it's coming back. I said, Mr. Boudreaux, let me ask you something. You said, there was. You didn't touch her. You didn't touch her that day. The morning when you came in, she had the blankets up to her neck. You didn't touch her when she was on the floor. You didn't try to do any kind of CPR or anything else. I said, Mr. Boudreaux, you know, I said, your DNA gonna come back on her. And he just. He couldn't say anything. I said, okay. Then I said, let me ask you this. I said, you not answering tells me my answer that it is. And I said, but let me keep on talking to you. I said, let me ask you this. I said, don't take offense at it. I mean, Jackie's a beautiful girl. Your wife has been in the hospital for three weeks. I said, you're still a young, healthy man, and you have sex desires. I said, everybody that you look at on the face of this earth is here because two people had sex, right? He shook his head. I said, is there any reason your sperm would be inside of Jackie? He said, not inside of her. Not inside of her. I was like, got you now, motherfucker. And I said, okay, okay. I said, did you wear a condom? And he was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I said, no. I said, listen, ask me. So I want you right now. Ask me. Mr. Boudreaux, is there any reason, Woody, that your sperm would be inside of Jackie? He said, well, is there any reason your sperm would be inside Jack? I said, hell no. I said, you saying not inside of her or shouldn't be or whatever that tells me. I said, now let me tell you this. I said, if you wear a condom and yeah, and you're thinking that you just pulled out and you ejaculated on her and in. I said, if you didn't wear a condom, then you know about pre comb. I said, that's the sperm that comes out of your penis before. While the actual act is going on before you pull out and ejaculate there's plenty of pre. Calm, Mr. Boudreau. I said, that's there. And he said, no, no, not inside of her. I said, okay, there's the flip switch question. Yes, your adamant is not inside of her. But you said, not inside of her. If you hadn't done anything to Jackie, your answer would be, no way in hell. I didn't touch her. Da, da, da, da. And he hung his head and he's actually teared up a little bit. I said, so you are telling me, without telling me that your sperm. There's a high probability that your sperm is on Jackie's body. And he started crying and. But what he didn't know is. What I knew is that they washed out the sperm they've given her full body washed down, and the chances of her having any DNA on her were slim. The nun, right? I didn't tell them that. He starts crying. So I go in for him. I said, listen, God told me, tell you. Tell me. I said, you know that and you know you believe in God. I said, we're all sinners. And he gave his son to die on the cross for you. And he starts. He's rocking back and forth like in a. Trying to soothe himself. Not a. Not in a rocking chair. His head's in his hands. I'm going for the juice. I said, boudreaux. I said, it's understandable. I said, she's beautiful. And you get horny in the mornings. You come in from work. I said, did you open the door and maybe she was naked in the bed? And he shook his head and I said, did you open the door and maybe you returned on? Or maybe you were in your room masturbating to that videotape of her in the bikini? And boy, his head jerked up. He looked at me. I said, that's right. I know. I said, then wherever you were masturbating too, and maybe the impulse became too much and you just had to go see her in person. I said, because that video stops right when she's been on the beach and you were videoing without her knowing it from the side. And his eyes got big. I said, so were you masturbating to the video and then you just wanted to go, maybe peek through the door and finish it off? He was like, he really is white, white, white. Now he says, I'm gonna tell you the truth. I said, okay, please do. And he said, the truth is I was masturbating to her. And he said, and I did go down. And he said, I Opened the door and I went in. And he said, she was in the bed. I said, were the covers up to her neck? He said, no. And he said, she had the covers off of her. I said, what was she wearing? He said, a pair of panties and a shirt with no bra. I said, okay. I said, what'd you do? I said, boudreaux. I said, don't stop now. I said, you're almost home. And I said, you're putting a reasonable face as to why your sperm's gonna be on her. Because when that sperm comes back on her and she dies and you don't do it, get out in front of it, it's gonna be bad, Jack. And when a jury gets a hold of him looking at that beautiful young lady, he said, I know I'm telling you true. He said, so I went in and he said I was still a wreck and I was masturbating. And he said, I started to touch her. And he said, I just kind of nudged her. She didn't move. She was sleeping hard. She was snoring a little bit. And he said, and I touched her. I said, and what'd you do? And he said, well, I was just. I just masturbated over it. And I said, okay. I said, let me ask you this. I said, if she's knocked out and you're standing there and you're masturbating over her, I said, if it was me, I want to see this titties. And I said, I'm going to lift that shirt up. And then if she starts to wake up, I'm going to run out of the room. I said, but is there any reason that your DNA would be on her nipples? I said, now, I don't know what you know about DNA, but there's two kinds, the touch kind and the spit kind. I said, if it was me, I'm at least try to pinch her nipples and feel her breasts while I'm doing it. I said, but if I can get away with it, I'm certainly going to suck on it. And he was like, yeah, yeah. And then I said, so I said, you have to tell me. And I said, I'm not telling your story. I wasn't there. You tell me. He said, yeah. He said, she didn't wake up, man. I figured she must have been really messed up from pills the night before. She didn't wake up. And I lifted his shirt and I played with her, with her breasts and I licked him a couple times. I said, all right. Did you put your penis inside of her? He said, no, no, absolutely not. I said, okay, what about your fingers? And he stopped. He hesitated. I said, See, Mr. Boudreaux, I said, when you don't answer me, you're already giving me your answer. I said, so you fingered her? I said, the DNA is going to show. And he's like. I said, is there any reason DNA would be inside or. He said, yeah, I fingered her. And I said, so you basically rubbed her all over and masturbated over? He said, yeah. I said. And I said, did you. You ejaculated on her? And he said, yes. And I said, what'd you do? And he said, I cleaned it up with tissue out of the bathroom. And he said, no, flushed it all. And he said, I swear to you, though. He said, I covered her back up and I went to bed. And I'm like, oh, fuck. I said, boudreaux, I said, what about the injuries? He said, I don't have any idea how she got those injuries. He said, I'm telling you, I didn't see him. And I don't know. And I said, why would you say she was dead when she was on the floor? He said, because she looked like she was dead. You know, at this point, he's fucked. All right? I got him. At least I got him to change his story. And, you know, I think. And I'm making some kind of saving grace on. On the murder case, right? Even if it's circumstantial, if she dies and he's changed the story, he admits to playing with her boobs and her breasts and licking on her nipples and fingering her and masturbating on her. He admits that he came on her ejaculated corner and all that. I'm like, I got your ass now, motherfucker. And the bruising and stuff is what it is. I mean, so I didn't press him too much further and said, all right. I said, okay. I said, and you burn the bedding because you. Your sperm might have been on it or what? He said, yep, that's right. He said, I burned all that shit. And he said, and he's crying now. And I said, well, you know what? It's okay, man. It's okay. And I'm patting him on his back and said, God told you to tell me. And God told me that you were going to tell me. And I said, it's okay. And I said, but I said, do you have anything you want to add or take away from your statement? He said, no. I said, well, guess What? I need you to stand up. And he stood up and he's looking at me. I said, now turn around, put your hands behind your back. I said, you're under arrest. He said, what for? I said, for sexual battery at the very least. He said, what do you mean? I said, you know, I said, God didn't say he was going to make it easy on you when you told me the truth. I said, you know, what you did was wrong. And I said, you lied in the beginning, et cetera. I get that. But it's much better for you to go in on a sexual battery charge than it is for you to go in on a murder charge. And meanwhile, I'm thinking they're going to do your ass for murder anyway if she dies. And so I kept him on a. Tried to keep him on a friendly basis. He said, well, let me lock my house, and da, da, da, da. So I did. And then I called it in, you know, put him in the back of my unmarked unit. I called it in and said, 3, 6, 1. Or actually, I was.201 was my call sign at the time. I said, 201, 259. I'm 10 15. One white male to 19 in jail, which means I'd arrested one white male and I was in route to book him at the jail. So fast forward, I book him in on the. On the sexual battery charge. Not right. I. I think I might have charged him with right to begin with, but I knew they were gonna drop it down. But regardless, I booked him, and I go in and. Go in and get Norris and we'll go down to Kearney. And I told him. I said, listen to this, and. And told him what happened and how I got him to confess and played the tape. I guess they wanted to make sure I didn't really, really overstep the balance. And I didn't. I mean, there's no law says you can't lie to somebody when you're interrogating them. But I think Mr. Kearney, you know, he wasn't wanting to give out praise easy or whatever, right? But he told me, he said, you did a good job, boy. You did a good job. 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