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Detective Woody Overton
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Detective Woody Overton
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to or during any question. If you can't afford one, the court appoint one for you. Do you understand your rights? And the W is at your close. You running zone that's for sure.
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Detective Woody Overton
Now you better watch the without you. Warning, this episode of real life Real crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people, I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the.
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Crimes or the perpetrators who committed the.
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Detective Woody Overton
Crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're going to get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. All right, so let's get started. When I left you last, I had arrested Boudreaux after getting a confession from him that he had done sexual things, really classified as a sexual battery, even though could have been classified as a rape because of the digital penetration of the vagina with his fingers. But I knew that really wasn't going to fly. Anyway, book him in and go back to sheriff's office. And now we're waiting in this case, right? We have to wait for Jackie to die, unfortunately. I mean, we would get. We called and got updates on her and they were like, no, there's no way she's going to make it. Right. And so when she dies, of course we'll try to get a murder warrant and proceed further from there and just keep working the case. And I think we were waiting on some phone records to make sure she had actually called him at his work like he said she did that night, you know, about a party or whatever and see who else she might have called because we had to start excluding other people from having contact with her that night. And of course, as you know, we were screwed on the injuries, the bruises and the scratches because Boudreaux did not confess to those. And that emergency room doctor locked us out of the room and he stated she had no injuries and that he had examined her. She. And he's just, he just lied to us I guess, Yeah. I can't imagine that she got all that inside the hospital, right? But whatever. So meanwhile, a couple of days went by, and Chuck calls me. Chuck Watts calls me, and he says, hey, man, we got to go back to North Oaks for Jackie. I was like, what happened now? He said, I do not know. He said, but the head of the icu, the same doctor that did the examination with us when we did all the photographs, he's calling for a meeting with you and I. And I was like, oh, shit. He said. He said he has some information, but we needed to come over so he could explain it to us. I said, all right, so you want me to meet you out there? And he said, yeah. And I forget where I was or where he was, but we drove to Hammond, to the hospital, and we met and bashed away up to the ICU unit. And when we got there, he had told us to ask for him specifically. And we did. And we called him. He came out and got us and took us, like, into the administrative side, to his office, his private office. And he said, y', all. I mean, I thought we were going to see something else on Jackie, but it wasn't to be the case. And so he brings us in and, you know, he asked us if we found anything out. He's a really caring guy. I mean. I mean, he really. He's the exact opposite of that turd from the emergency room, that doctor, right? This guy really wanted justice for this beautiful young lady. And he was like, you know, can you tell me what's going on? And I told him. I said, we made an arrest, but it was for sexual battery. And I explained the situations, and we got him to confess, or I got him to confess to masturbating over and penetrating digitally with his fingers and messing with their breasts, et cetera, et cetera. So I told him all about it, and he said, man, he said, we. This is so strange and so bizarre. And I'm like, what are you talking about? He said, well, time was going by, you know, he said, we keep monitoring her and, you know, center for. I forget if it was CAT scan or mri, whatever, y'. All. And you've had to forgive me again about my medical terminology or lack thereof. But he said, I sent her for whichever one it was. I think it was a CAT scan to check, like, her, you know, head for brain activity or whatever. Whatever the reason was. He sent her in for this test, right? And he said that when the results came back, that she had what they call in layman's term they call free air inside of her. Inside of her head. And I'm like, look at Chuck. And he looks at me, I'm like, okay, that's layman's turn. We're screwed because we really don't know what you're talking about, Doc. He said, well, I don't know how to explain it to you, but let me tell you what I found. He said, when the results came back and we could see there was free air getting inside of her head, he said, when I say free air, I mean the air that's not coming in through her mouth or her nose, not going through the regular systems. There's a pocket of air in the backside of her head, basically is how he explained it. And he said, so went and I mean, so we got to find out where this air is getting into her head. It's. It's a source of air that is getting inside of the head where it doesn't belong, and it's not supposed to happen, right? So he said, they went back and re examined. I remember she had this long, long, beautiful blonde hair, and it was thick, like super thick. And he said, went back and they re examined her. And they got into her hair, the thickness of her hair, and they shaved it up to look at the. The base of her skull. And once they remove the hair, they observed a perfectly round hole in the base of her neck. I mean, at the back. If you touch the back of your head, it's not at the base of your neck in the base of your skull. And then he showed us on a. On an X ray thing, like it was a discoloration. He said, that's the free air. And he said, I knew that something was wrong when I saw that. That's why we went back and re examined her. And her hair was so thick, we had to cut it and shave the spot to find it. And he said, it is a perfectly round hole that was not healed yet and it wasn't scabbed over. He said, so I know it's a deep penetration hole. And I'm like, dog, he's telling me it could be like a bullet hole. He said, no. He said, absolutely not. He said, so we'll go. He said, I'll let y' all take a picture of it in a few minutes. They said, I want you to understand what you're looking at before we go in there. He said, you're looking at a perfectly round circular hole at the base of her head. And he said, that hole. He said, it's not as big as an ice pick. He said something was jammed into the back of her head, deep into the back of her head. And he said, it's not a nice pick because it's too small, in my experience, you know, to be like an ice pick. He said, but it's not a needle, a regular needle, you know, not a. Whatever CC needle like they do to draw blood and stuff like that. He said, it's in between the two. And fuck me if the first thing that didn't pop into my mind is that second drawer to the left of the sink in the kitchen. When I opened it, and what did I see? The Cajun injector syringe. And I told y', all, it's a big ass needle. It's stainless steel and it's hollow. It's made to push massive amounts of liquid through it. I'm like, oh, fuck me. And I didn't see an ice pick in the house anyway. And he said, there's no way we could have known short of shaving our head and short of running this test. And he said, that's a serious problem. I'm like, I'm thinking the f. Motherfucker, if you only knew how serious of a problem it was for us, right? And I go back again to that first day in the emergency room and not getting in to see her and take pictures, etc. But whatever. But it gets better. The doc says, we have another problem. I'm like, okay, doc, what is it? I mean, I'm thinking, you know, who knows, right? He said, her toxicology came back and it had, you know, some barbiturates in it, some benzos or whatever, like a cocktail of different narcotics. And he said, but that's not the problem. And I said, okay, what's the problem? He said, she has acetone. High amount of acetone in her system. And I was like, holy fuck. Because what does my mind go to now? When I was outside in the doorway of that shed, that metal can that was white with the blue across the middle and the white letter and bigger and shit, says acetone. And I'm like. I said, doc, I said, are you talking about, like, acetone? Like the paint remover acetone? I mean, I guess there's only one kind of acetone. He said, as far as I know. He said, but it could be. Yeah, and nail polish removers. He said, it could have been something else. With the acetone and this. The acetone remained in the body, broke down whatever else it was. He said, I don't know. And I'm like, oh, fuck. And in. I'm thinking, now, you know, she's got this injection site in the back of her head, and it's bigger than a regular needle. But, you know, it's definitely. He assumed it was an injection site, but because of the air that was inside her skull like that, inside the back of her head like that. I know there's a medical term for it, but anyway, I'm thinking somebody injected her in the back of the neck with acetone through the. At the base of her skull like that, thinking that they would never find that site to kill her, right? So, I mean, I'm just blown away. And Chuck's like, I don't know what the man. And the doc takes us down to see her, and she's still hooked up to the machine, but now her long, pretty blonde hair is gone. And they had shaved it and turned her over and shows the spot and sure enough, a photograph. And it was a perfectly little round hole. And he says, so that's where the free air was injected into the head, or, you know, it was pushed in through that spot. And he said you needed to know about it. And he said, I think this is important. He said, I can't tell you that the acetone was injected into her, but I can tell you that I've never seen acetone in a person's bloodstream like she had in hers. And I can tell you that that appears to be an injection site because that's where the free air got inside of her head. And he said, that's. That's it. I hope it helps you with your investigation. I'm thinking, man. Oh, fuck. So we we thanked him, we left. And Chuck's like, dude, could this case get any more jacked up? And I said, no, I just. I don't believe that it can, Chuck. So we go back to the office and go down Mr. Norris to Mr. Kearney's office and tell him what happened. And Kearney's like, what? And he said, what do you think it could be? And I said, unfortunately, I'm going to tell you this, and you're probably going to get pissed off. I said, I didn't have any way of knowing at the time connect the thing I said when he told me an injection site and he told me the size of it, the first this boy knew about the acetone. So the first thing I'm thinking is me. There was a cage and injector syringe in that second drawer in the kitchen. I said, it fits perfectly the diameter of the hole and all that. And I said, it has a long stainless steel and they knew what it was, they've all used it before. And it has a long stainless tube on it for pushing fluids through. And Ms. Kearney was like, well, I mean, he said first of all, I don't think the guy would have just left it in his kitchen drawer if he had used that to inject her. He said, but it's possible. I mean, he said, but he said if he burned the bedding, then chances are that he'd burn whatever it was he used to inject her with. But I said, well, maybe not, Mr. Kearney. He said, why don't you think so? I said, well, I fry usually a minimum of three turkeys every Wednesday before Thanksgiving. And back then I used to give them out as gifts, but now I do it, you know, my family and extended family and nieces and nephews and I'll go to my parents house and on Wednesday evenings I spend like five hours frying turkeys. I said, but the thing is, I buy one bottle of Cajun injector Creole garlic butter for each bird that I inject. I said, but guess what? Each one of those bottles comes shrink wrapped with the Cajun injector needle and syringe attached to it. I said, so chances are that, you know, could have had more than one of the Cajun injector needles. I said, I have it three a year that just went for Thanksgiving alone, you know, So I don't know, it's just bad. I said, but Mr. Kearney, it gets a little worse. And he said, tell me. And I told him, I said, she has acetone in her system. He said, what? And I said, yeah, high amounts of acetone. He said, paint thinner? I said, yes, sir. And the doctor said it was off the charts. Like, I mean, he'd never seen that. And he said, well, is it enough to kill her? And I did ask the doctor that y' all was it would have been enough to kill her or put her in a vegetative state. And he said he just didn't know. I mean, you have to hire some type of chemical expert to do the breakdown on amounts, et cetera, and what it could do to the body. So I mean, it's just not something they ever see. Acetone? Yeah, I mean, nobody is going to drink acetone to get that amount in their bloodstream, right? He said, we just don't see it. We just don't know. I don't have an answer for you. That's something a Forensic pathologist is going to have to look into. I just can't answer, he said, but I can tell you this. It certainly didn't help her situation by having a large amount of acetone in her system. And So I told Mr. Carney, I said, I have a photograph of the shed. And because I checked it out, y', all, when we got back from the hospital, I went back to my crime scene photos. I did not take a picture of the cage injector needle in the drawer because I didn't think it was relevant. But I did take a picture in front of the shed. And that metal can, you really can't see what it was, but the metal can was in the doorway. You could see the blue and white, but the. The labeling was turned to the side. And I said, that can right there, Mr. Kearney. I said, it's a can of acid. He said, oh, he just leaned back and he's shaking his head, and he said, why do you think that would be in the doorway of the shed? Because I showed him the other pictures of contents inside the shed, and I said, I don't know, Mr. Kearney. In my mind's eye, I would say that shed being raised off the ground like that, if someone was walking by and didn't want to take the time to go into the shed, they set it on the steps. So the next time they come in to the shed, they can put it up or whatever. Or maybe they forgot about us. I don't know. I mean, I'm at a loss. And he said, you need to go back out there and see if that acetone is still there. And he said, the. The Cajun injector. I mean, he said, it's pure speculation that the one in the drawer, to me, y' all looked like the ones in my drawers at the house. I take. I ripped the first one. Say. Say I have three bottles of marinade. I ripped the needle off the first one, and I don't jack the other two right. I just use the same one because it's the same marinade going in three different birds, rather than. Because you have to screw the syringe on the end of the plunger thing. It doesn't come fully assembled, but the one in Boudreaux deal was fully assembled, you see? So I don't know. He said, I don't think you waste your time on getting the cage in an injector. We'll never be able to prove it, you know. He said, you can testify about it. He said, write it in your report. You know, he said, I don't know what to tell you, he said, but you need to go out there and see if that can acetone is there in case they can do some kind of trace or chemical analysis, if there's different types or levels or whatever. And of course, none of us are scientists in the room, right? Then he's thinking, in case there's some way they could identify whatever's in our system to that that can of acetone least. I know it's a long shot, but you got to go try.
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Detective Woody Overton
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So I did Chuck and I rode back out to Boudreaux's house and get there and his vehicle wasn't there. His truck wasn't there. So I was actually gonna ask him and I mean, I'm sure he wasn't happy with me after I arrested him, but I was just gonna ask him could we have it? And if he said no, then I was gonna get a search warrant. I didn't want to waste. Actually it was Chuck that, that some of the good old detective, he's like, like we need to get a search warrant. He said, fuck that, let's go out there and just ask him. I mean if he doesn't know anything about it, then he'd probably just give it to us and we don't have to waste three hours getting a search warrant for it. I got so much great information from Chuck Watts and the older detectives and I gleaned the best parts of them that I could and try to mold it into myself, right? So we go out there, Boudreaux's vehicle is not there. And I said, you know what Chuck? I'm just going to go around the backside of the residence. Maybe he's in the backyard. I kind of winked at him. But what I really did is I went around because I knew the shed was in plain view there of the Back door. And I was able to see when I went around to the back door to knock on it, if you will. But when I was, I looked at the shed, asked him can was not there. I don't know, what do you do? Right? So we go back and I mean, this case is just couldn't be any more bizarre or stranger than it already is. Now, you know we have the sexual battery. A member of battery in Louisiana under Napoleonic code of law is opposite all the rest of the states. Everywhere else the unwanted touching is an assault. And in Louisiana your assault is a verbal threat and the battery is unwanted touching. So we, I mean we had that. And of course Jackie still wasn't dead. And we're, we're at a standstill, we're waiting, we're praying, maybe DNA comes back or something happens or whatever. And meanwhile, within a week, probably less than a week, I got a subpoena to go to court, which is nothing new. I mean, I would get, probably have three or four cases a day on most days when motion suppresses or probable calls hearings, et cetera, because I arrest a lot of people. But I got one for Boudreaux, it was for 9 o' clock in the morning, which told me he wasn't locked up for the. If he was locked up and he had not made bail, he had not made bail, then it would have been at 1 o'. Clock. Because the people that you lock up and that stay locked up, they bring the inmates over at one o' clock for their hearings, whatever, maybe bond reductions or motion to suppress or probable cause hearings or whatever. So 9 o' clock in the morning, I'm like, all right, that morning comes and I get there at 8 and I'm having my coffee and the door opens, I'm sitting in a general. We're bullshitting in the general detective office and the door opens and a Wayne Stewart walks in. Now let me tell you about Mr. Wayne Stewart. He was without a doubt the best criminal defense attorney in Livingston Parish. Okay. And the only one other attorney that was on his level of skill in the criminal defense world is, was Mr. Mike Thiel. And Mike Thiel actually taught me criminal justice in college. But. And I think later on, in later years, it would go on to join firms, if you will. And both of them had some problems with the law. But Wayne Stewart was a character. And his office was right across the street from our interest for the courthouse where we went to the detective's office. But he's always smiling and joking, whatever. But let me tell you Something. He's a shrewd little fucker when it came to court. And he was really, really good. I wasn't intimidated by him. I mean, I spent more time on the stand than most lawyers ever spent in the courtroom in their entire career. I mean, I was constantly on the stand. And I've been against Wayne many, many times in many different cases, and I hadn't lost him yet. But he walks in, I'm thinking, I say, Ms. Wayne, what you doing? He said, I just want to see if you were here. Me? He said, yeah. I said, why? He said, you got your subpoena for Boudreaux? And I said, yeah, I did. I said, he hired you? He said, yes, sir, he did. I said, fuck. And that's what I'm thinking. I didn't show it, right. Never let him see you sweat. But I'm thinking, oh, man. Because this dude, he was so good, y'. All. And I knew for him to take the time to come up there just to see if I was there, he was hoping, first of all that he would get lucky and win, because I wasn't going to show, that that wasn't going to happen, right? And then. But for him to come up there and see if I was there, I said, he didn't do that on murder cases we had together. So I knew something was up. I just didn't know what it was. And he said, well, okay, man, we'll see you down there. And yeah, I'll be there, Mr. Wayne. And then he's bullshitting around. He always jokes with us, etc, but everybody. I mean, you don't want to call it. I want to call him a slimy. But if you ever get the defense attorney in the movies, the slimy defense attorney or whatever, the sneaky win it all cost guy, that was Wayne Stewart, and that's why he was the best. And I mean, he just was. I mean, he won a lot of shit and he won a lot of cases, and. And in most of the cases he won, didn't have to go to trial because he beat the cops on the stand and on the motion to suppress this and the probable cause hearings and getting things thrown out and stuff like that. But when it came time for a jury trial, he's the best. He worked the jury from the. During Bois Deer. That's jury selection, whatever. I guess it's a Napoleonic code law term, a French code, Bois Deer. And. But he was. Worked the courtroom from the get go, and he'd worked the juries, and I knew I was up against the best on Boudreaux and the worst case I'd ever had from y' all know why. I mean, you know everything about it, right? So we'll go down to the courtroom and let me explain to you how it works. It was in the big courtroom and you have all your general public seating, which I mean is in the middle. It's like church pews all the way across. And then if you walk into the courtroom, you have all the middle seating and there's aisle way on the out hand side of this massive long pews that are in the middle, the walkways on either side of the courtroom. So you walk down the right aisle. If you come in the right door, which you had to actually, because they had metal detector, so that's where everybody else had to come in. We could come in through a back door, but so if you come in through the main door, you go through the metal detector, you go through security, you go in and you walk down and you find yourself a place to sit. But if not, when you walk up, the first thing you see on the right hand side of the courtroom is the jury box. And it's raised up and it has a railing around it and has, you know, a door on both ends of the jury box, a little swinging door. But when you walk up and you're about 10ft away from the jury box, there's a brick column and all the pew seatings behind you. Then you had the very front row of the last or the first, which way you come to the courtroom pew. And then there's a door to the right, which is the one we usually came through, so we didn't have to go through security, et cetera. But that's also the door where the jury would go out. And then the jury room was back there where they would deliberate. But if you're facing the courtroom, the jury box is to your right, and then you have two tables. On the right hand side is where the defense would sit, and on the left hand side is where the prosecution would sit in a trial. They reversed it. If it was a trial week, the prosecution would sit closest to the jury and the defense was still on the other side. So anyway, you go in and it's always packed, right? And I think this was a Monday, I'm pretty sure it was a Monday. And the. So it's, it's packed in. You know, they probably have 150 cases on the docket, different motions. And this is criminal court. Now this is not a civil courtroom or, you know, divorce courtroom. Or anything like that. This is criminal court. We would go in and walk in and tell the district attorney we were there and go sit in the jury box. And if you look across the courtroom, remember you had. The fence would be sitting right there next to you. And then the prosecution. But on the other side, the district attorney's team would line up. And by team, I mean you would have, like, the secretaries that would have the files, the victim's advocate, just the different ladies that work for the district attorney's office. And. And then, of course, in front of that, you had the court reporter and then the judge's bench and the witness stand. If you're facing judge's bench, witness stands to the right. So we go in and they all rise and honorable. And I forget what judge was honorable, such and such. And, you know, deputy calls it out. So everybody stands, the judge comes in and says, be seated. And then they. He says, okay, we'll start doing the docket. And they start calling cases and, you know, whatever it is, motions are heard, court dates are set, trial dates are set. And. But usually the DA would try to get us out of there first because they knew we had shit to do. And so Wayne didn't get there till, you know, he was like, he's always running late. And even though he knew I was going to be there, and it might have been kind of a mind fuck on his part to try to mess with me, but say he comes in like 9:45, and Court started at 9, and he comes in, and then it goes to the D.A. it's like, hey, hey, I got to be in court somewhere else. Can I go ahead and get mine out of the way? And DA accommodates him because they, shit, they work together every day. I mean, even they were on the opposite sides. They didn't hate each other or anything. Wayne was alike guy. And so anyway, they call a case, state of Louisiana versus Whatever Boudreaux. And a. Wayne stands up, says, your honor, Wayne Stewart for the defendant. And DA Stands up and says, da whomever for the state. And said, your honor, we're here this morning on a behalf to hear a motion to suppress confession of Mr. Boudreaux to Detective Overton. And in the motion suppressed, Mr. Stewart states that Detective Overton was wrong in getting a confession from him because Boudreau had asked for a lawyer previously. And judge tells him to proceed. And so the district attorney says, detective Overton, we like to call Detective Overton a stand. So I get out of the box, I walk up, and I Know I turn around and stand up and put my hand on the Bible and raise my left handed Bible, raised my right hand. And the lady, the court clerk says, you swear, tell the truth, hold truth, nothing but the truth, so help you guys? Yes ma', am, I do. And then they say, be seated. So I've done this a thousand times. I sit down, pull the microphone to a comfortable distance to me and turn to the prosecutor. And he starts with a basic question. Can you tell us your name? I'm Detective Woody Overton. And were you a detective on such and such date or where were you employed on such date? I said, livingston Parish Sheriff's Office as a detective and said, can you tell us what happened with you and the defendant, Mr. Boudreaux? Did you arrest him on that day? I said, yes, I did. And they said what for? I said, he gave a confession to sexual battery. And prosecutor says, no more questions yonder. Well, let me explain something and you've heard me talk about it in past episodes. This is simply a free shot at the, the defense attorney to try to do a couple things. One, to get just blind ass lucky and, and get the case thrown out, thinking that maybe I'm going to mess up on something or the judge is going to rule against me. But more importantly for a good defense attorney, when they know it's going to be a good trial later on, they use it as a fact finding mission because they get to ask you whatever the hell they want to. I don't think it should be that way, but it always has been and I guess it always will be. But me, if I was the district attorney, you know, they got off any point besides the motion that they filed, which was the motion to suppress the tape confession he gave me on the porch, I'd be like, I object, I object, but whatever, I'm not an attorney. So a Wayne stands up, says good morning Detective Owens. And I said, Good morning Mrs. Stewart. And he said, so can you tell me how you first came in contact with my client? I said, the very first day. And he said, yeah, you start from there. And I explained that we were called out. 911 deceased body. He said, did you see Jackie at that residence? I said, no, I did not. I said, she was being placed into the ambulance. He said, okay. And he said, and did you do a search of the residence? I said, no, I did not. I said, I went in and I observed. I said, but I actually wasn't searching for anything. I said, I was just looking to see what was what. And he Said, so you came into contact with my client for the first time there? I said, I did. He said, but you were searching. I said, Mr. Wayne, I was not searching, and I knew where he was going. He said, well, you were in there acting in your capacity as a detective, right? And I said, that's correct. He said, it could have been a possible crime scene, right? I said, I didn't. I don't know. I said, I mean, I don't know, you know, that's why I was looking around. But he said, but you talked to my client, Got permission to look around? I said, sure I did. He said, and I knew it was coming. He said, well, you. You talked to my client and you identified yourself as a detective. I said, I did. And he said, did you advise my clients of his rights when you identified yourself as a law enforcement officer? I said, no, I did not. And I didn't have to elaborate, y'. All. And I know I learned over the years you don't get baited in to what they're trying to do. A Wayne Stewart had a. Had a plan, and he was going to go through it, try to go through every inch of it. And he did. And he said, why didn't you advise Ms. Rice? I said, because at the time wasn't a criminal investigation. And he said, well, don't you think if you search a man's house. I said, Mr. Wayne, I told you I was not there to search the house. I was there to respond about what Your client called in to be a dead body, which turned out to not be a dead. I was doing my fingers like quotations, dead body. And I said simply, spoke with him, asked him what he found. He's the one that called 91 1, not me. He's the one that instigated contact with us, not me. I said, I was responding to it. I said, and he called and says it was a dead body. I did, you know, we took a tape statement from him about what he found and, you know, went to the hospital and continued from there. He said, oh, yeah, let's talk about that. And I'm like, oh, fuck, here we go. And he said, when you got to the hospital, what happened? And this is the point where I would ejected as a district attorney. I'd been like, your Honor, this is irrelevant as to the confession, right? But the DA's got, you know, other things going on, I guess. And then I said, well, we went in and he said, did you see Jackie at the hospital? I said, did not. And he said, why not? I Mean, you drove to the hospital to see her. You were responded to my client's house because you're, you know, looking into things. He said, why wouldn't you see her? And I already knew that he knew a. Well, knew that we didn't get in to see her. And he knew about the injuries coming out. Of course, Boudreau would have told him all this, the injuries coming out a couple days later, right? And. And I said, because the doctor told us it was an overdose and he wouldn't allow us into the room because they were working on her. He said, oh. He said, did you ask the doctor? Did the examiner, did he. Did he see injuries to her? And again, I would objective because it's outside the scope on the dude's confession, right? But again, I'm not the lawyer. And I said, no. I said, yeah. I said, actually, yeah, I did ask him when he denied his room, I said, we need to get in to see her to photograph her. And he was real adamant, no, it was a drug overdose. And I asked about injuries. He said he examined her and there were no injuries. He said, so there were no injuries. Now, at this point, he's playing his part. I mean, he's. He knows the judge that we're in front of is going to be the trial judge. And so he's feeding the judge, I don't say a bias, I think I believe all the judges out there were fair. But he's feeding the judge doubt from the beginning. He said, so an emergency room doctor told you she had no injuries to her body and that it was simply a drug overdose and that she was going to die? I said, that's correct. He said, and you just didn't need the photograph? I said, that's not what I said, Mr. Wayne. I said, I asked a photographer and we were denied. And he said, you just gave up? I said, yeah, actually, yeah, we did. And after repeated attempts, you know, we left. And he said, okay, so what happened next? When he said, when is the next time you saw my client? I'm like, fuck, man, why don't you Jack? Let's get to them straight to the confession part. So I told him, you know, that we had to get a search warrant to go back to the house to search his client, his residence and his body for injuries. He said, oh, hold on. This is a drug overdose. He's playing for the courtroom. He's playing for his potential clients. Future clients that are in a crowd, which are all the shitheads that got arrested over the weekend are waiting on their bond hearings and stuff. And they, you know, they're thinking, oh, you're watching a high drama courtroom television show, whatever. We played it back and forth. And I was like, yeah, okay, Wayne. And he said, so what happened? I said that we had to go back to the hospital. We got called back because she had injuries to her body. And he said, no, no, no, no. He said, you said, the emergency room doctor said she didn't have any injuries. I said, he did say that. I said, and now you're telling me she's got all these injuries? And he said, how many? I said, I believe it was 57, Mr. Wayne. And he said, well, how do you explain that? And he said, you're there and you're there to examine her, et cetera. And the doctor tells you clearly that she is a drug head, it's a drug overdose. And he's examining her body and she has no injuries. You asked several times. He denied you admittance and was very adamant with you. He said, wasn't he? I said, yes, sir, he was. He said, I mean, he said, if you want to deny it, I have your report right here. You're in this report. I said, Mr. Wayne, I'm not denying it.
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Detective Woody Overton
Yes, he denied us access to the room and he did say she had no injuries. He said, well, you know, it's two days later and she's got 57 injuries now. And I'm like, yep, that's right. And I mean, he's playing it up and he's mugging it up. So it goes on and on, y'. All. And then he said, so you did the search warrant? He said, tell me what happened at the end of the search warrant. He said, did my client not ask you for an attorney? I said, nope, he did not. He said, what do you mean he didn't? I said, he didn't ask me for an attorney. He said, did my client not say that he wanted an attorney? Did he not say that to you? I said, no sir, he did not. He said, he most certainly did. I said, no, you got it wrong, Mr. Wayne. He said, how do you mean I got it wrong? I said, he didn't ask me. He said, oh, come on, Woody. And I was giving him back a little bit, right? And he said, well, then who did he ask? I said, it was detective Watson, chief deputy Kearney, Foster that were interviewing him. He told them he wanted an attorney. He said, isn't that apples and oranges? Whatever. And I said, you asked me or you made the statement that it was me? And I said, he did not tell me he wanted an attorney. He said, well, were you present in the residence when my client stated basically for y' all to get out and he wanted an attorney? I said I was. He said, what'd you do? He said, didn't you continue to question my client, et cetera? I said, no, I did not. I said, I absolutely did not. He said, yes, you did. I said, no, I didn't. And he said, well, tell me what happened. I said, well, we were getting ready to leave, And I told Mr. Kearney that I just wanted to say something to Mr. Boudreaux. And he said, well, you know, you can't. You can't question him. He said he wanted an attorney. I said, Mr. Wayne, I didn't want to question him. He said, well, it doesn't make any sense that you want to go back in. I said, sure it did. And I said, I just want to talk to the man. And as a human being. A human being. He said, oh, that's junk. He said, you wanted to question him. I said, I never asked him a question. I said, as a matter of fact, I didn't let him say anything to me. He said, well, what did you say? And I said, I went back in there and I told him, I know you're a man of faith, and you better pray to God that Jackie doesn't die, because if she does and they're coming back with an arrest warrant for murder, for probable cause, which stitch percent plus one. I told him the exact conversation, y'. All. I didn't lie. And he started jumping away. Oh, that is. Don't you think that is shameful, you using God to. Against this man? I said, I haven't used God against him. I said, I mean, he had crosses and he had the bible. And I asked him, was he a praying man and a man of faith? And he shook his head yes. He said, well, he did answer questions. I said, no, not verbally. He just shook his head. And I told him, don't answer that. You know. So I said, and I wasn't in there for more than three or four minutes. And they came and got me. He said, you have a recording of that? I said, no, sir, I do not. I said, and he said, well, why do you think we should believe you? And I said, well, because I'm not lying to you. And I said, because I was not there holding a gun to your client's head when he called the sheriff the next morning and asked to speak to me. And he was like, oh. And then. And so he said, the next day my client told you things. He said, don't you think that he needed his attorney presence? I said, no, sir, I did not. And he just went round and round about. I said, I said, Mr. Wayne, we can do this dance all day long. I said, why don't you just play the tape? I said, it's on there. I clearly asked him before I made entry into the residence, did you call for me? He said, yes. I said, do you? I understand that I can't talk to you without an attorney because you said you want an attorney. He said, I don't want an attorney. And I said, yeah, but you have to consent to question. But I went through the whole thing and it's on there. I said, the one thing that can't get twisted around Mr. Wayne, well, like you're trying to do is the truth. And that tape is the truth. Play it. And he said, you, Honor, I don't have anything further. Then the DA got up and said, you Honor, I'd like you to listen to the tape. And that's pretty powerful moving shit. And once I was at the door and told him the part about the attorney and he waived it and said he didn't need one. A Wayne stood up and said, yana, we would draw, we withdraw the motion to suppress the confession. So all that was was his fact finding mission and his way to start planting the seeds in the judge's head possibly for to get a lower bail when Jackie died or whatever that, you know, somebody else could really. And he did a great job and I would have done the same thing if I was an attorney. And he's playing the future card is what A Wayne was doing. And he wasn't worried. He knew that motion to suppress wasn't going to go through. That's why before it was played to the crowd about him sucking her nipples and fingering her and coming on top of her. I mean, he didn't want that out there and he didn't want the judge to hear that part yet. Right, because the judge has got a thousand open cases. So before that part got to play, he withdrew it. And that was in that hearing. And you know what, y', all, I'm coming up on an hour, but I'm not going to go into week four. We're just going to run this one a little bit long. We were a little bit late dropping the episode last week, so I'm not going to do it to you again. I'm going to conclude this story by telling you what happened next, which is absolutely nothing. And time marches on, right? So, I mean, I've got, every day got new victims and new cases and working and new bodies and new rapes. And, you know, time marches on. Just because Jackie is in ICU doesn't mean other criminals are going to stop committing crimes. And I didn't hear anything else. And there were. There was no more court dates. And it takes a long time to go to trial, y', all, but that. And there would have been no more court dates on that other than a status conference, what they call it, a status conference. And then they would set a trial date for Boudreaux. But basically the DA was waiting on Jackie to die also. And then, I mean, I just really slipped my mind and went on working. And then nine months later, Chuck calls me and we weren't partners anymore. I had somebody I was training by then, probably, I think Jim Rathman. Chuck called me, said, well, he said, we finally got it. I said, what? He said, jackie. Jackie's dead. I almost said her last name. Jackie's dead. And he said, the autopsy is tomorrow at 9. Can you do it? And I said, yeah, I'll do it. And so I show up the next morning and go in for the autopsy. And she had been housed in a long term. They moved her out of icu. She ended up being housed in a long term home where. I mean, I don't know the parameters of it or how to define it or what you call those places where people that are in the vegetative state stay on life support. But I guess it was too cost prohibitive to keep her in an icu. I don't know. But she had been moved to some other facility. And it took her nine months to die, y'. All. Nine months. And when they unzipped the bag and put her on the table, I'll never forget it. The. I mean, she didn't even look like a human being. She probably was like 125 pounds before. And I'm looking at like a holocaust concentration camp, but worse victim. I mean, there was literally nothing but skin and Bones. And you hear that term, but unless you've seen it and then go look up the German POW concentration camp, Auschwitz or Dachau is one I went to and visited. Go look up the people that are starved for every bone, everything. I mean, there's literally not a piece of meat on this girl's body. And I think she weighed like 60, 67 pounds or something like that. I mean, it was all bones and whatever fluids were left in her body. And the worst part was she had bed sores. And I know, you know, when you lay in that spot for so long, they come in and they flip you a couple times a day and stuff like that. I mean, because you can't turn yourself in, the body just rots away on the spots that is sitting. And God damn it. I guess because she sat so long, but even though they were turning her, she had huge, massive fucking bedsore. You literally could see bone in places. And the bed sore jaw is where the skin's rotted away. Look that one up. If you want to have a shitty image in your head for the rest of the day, look up bedsores. And just absolutely heartbreaking to see that girl, the young lady from the video on the beach to her photographs in the house of happy times when she was young and alive and vibrant. And now she's laying on this cold steel table dead and doesn't even look like a human. And between the bedsores and then no meat on her body, and did autopsy and the pathologist, the guy that I told you about in an episode, pants on the ground, he's a genius. I mean, for all his quirkiness and everything else. But it had been nine months and he had the toxicology, he knew about the acetone, but, you know, they didn't work the body from head to toe. I told you about it. How they scalp it out and they take the top of the head off and weigh all the organs and everything else and. And he knew about the injection site in the back of her neck. And at the end of it, he just didn't have an answer. And he said, you know, I just can't tell you. He said, I just can't tell you. And he said, I can tell you that. I showed him, I brought all the photographs of the bruises and scratches. He said, those didn't kill her. He said, I can't tell you if the hole in the back of the neck killer where the air was pushed in or whatever was pushed in. He said, I can't tell you, it's been too long. You know, and he said, it's unfortunate. He said, I don't know why people would keep somebody on life support for that long. He said, but that's family's decisions. And he said, I mean, he said, hopefully her spirit left her body on that first day and she wasn't trapped inside all this time. And this has come from a pathologist, but it was bad. And he said, I can't give you a cause of death. He said, I can give you a cause of death, but I can't give you a cause of homicide. And I technically can't call it a homicide. And cause of death was whatever, I don't know, renal failure or some shit. The main thing was, is he couldn't call it a homicide because there wasn't enough proof. And goes back to that first emergency room doctor. And I don't know y'. All. And people had asked me before about what case sticks with me and what case haunts me. And, you know, I hadn't thought about Jackie in a long time. I don't know what made me think about her. A couple weeks ago, when I was doing this, something. I'd been driving by somewhere or whatever. And I do that because I had so many cases and tragedy cases and bad things. I guess I just bury him down in my mind and I don't think about them. And let me back up. I saw Wayne, probably about Wayne Stewart, probably a couple months after that motion suppress or whatever. And Jackie was still alive. And we were on another case. We were talking about another case. I said, hey, man. I said, whatever happened to Boudreaux and when's this trial date coming up? He said, it's not. I said, what do you mean? He said, I pleded him out, man. He said, you think I'm fucking stupid? He said, I pled him out to attempted sexual battery and they gave him five years probation. I shit you not. I said, you motherfucker. He said, hey, man, it's the job, and he has a right to the defense. And he said, you know, the case is kind of messed up and, you know, they never get a murder charge out of us. Yeah, I know. I said, you right. And so he got five years probation for admitting to all the stuff that I told you. I don't want to talk about the dirty stuff again. But he got five years probation. Jackie died. Her body just quit. And I don't know. So here's the answer to what happened to Jackie. The answer is we'll never know. So I'm going to clear the episode at this time. Appreciate y' all for listening. That was a long three week deal. I didn't intend upon that, but I don't use scripts and I don't write notes and stuff. I just talk out of my head from memory so I never know how long they're going to go because I never would know what's going to pop into my head. But so I hope you enjoyed it. Tough story, but true. And that's it. So thank you all and I appreciate each and every one of you. I love you. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to it during any question. If you can't afford one, the court will point one for you. Do you understand your rights? And the wolf is at your close. You running over that's for sure.
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Detective Woody Overton
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Commercial Announcer
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Detective Woody Overton
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