Real Life Real Crime | #WhatHappenedToMadison — Episode 1

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime | #WhatHappenedToMadison — Episode 1

Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Host: Woody Overton
Guest: Lynn Rollins (Madison’s mother)
Date: March 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this gripping first episode of the new series “#WhatHappenedToMadison,” Woody Overton partners with Madison Renee Allen’s mother, Lynn Rollins, to bring attention to Madison’s disappearance. The episode aims to humanize Madison beyond just being another name in a missing persons story, delving into her life, struggles, and the heartbreaking events leading up to her disappearance in Zachary, Louisiana. Woody clarifies his mission: to leverage his investigative experience and the “lifers” (devoted listeners) to help bring Madison home, emphasizing that advocacy and social engagement are key in solving cold cases.

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Madison’s Early Life and Personality

Family Background [(04:22–07:46)]

• Madison was born in 1991 in Brandon, Mississippi, and moved to Liberty at age 2.
• Siblings: A younger brother (Morgan, now 29) and a younger sister (Cheyenne, now 21).
• Madison grew up primarily in Liberty and attended several schools in the region.
• Lynn describes Madison as a curious, adventurous child, always into something.

Lynn Rollins: “Madison was always into something, curious. I guess it was her way of learning.” (10:16)

Early Hardships and Trauma [(10:42–13:46)]

• Madison was born premature at 3lbs, 14oz but quickly became a healthy “little, tiny, fat baby” with plenty of personality.
• Childhood trauma: At age 5, Madison was molested by a step-sibling at her father’s house, a formative event that affected her throughout her life. This strained her relationship with her father for a decade, creating an emotional void.
• Madison was described as “needy” and fussy as a baby—traits Lynn attributes to holding her close as a young, single mother (Lynn was 18 when she had Madison).

Lynn Rollins: “She had a stepdad that loved her, but she also knew she had a dad that didn’t have anything to do with her... Madison always had this void she was trying to fill.” (12:21)

Personality, School, and Home Life [(13:48–16:37)]

• Madison preferred comfort foods like grilled cheese and macaroni.
• Academically, Madison was described as “super smart” and did very well in school across several districts.
• Teenage years: At 15, Madison moved to live with her dad but faced health issues and absenteeism, eventually returning to her mom.

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Adulthood, Motherhood, and Escalating Struggles

Early Motherhood [(16:14–24:03)]

• Madison became a mother to Kylie (now 16, soon 17) after becoming involved with an older man.
• Lynn was supportive but firm: “I’ll watch the baby when you need to work, but I’m not babysitting so you can run the roads.”
• Madison’s relationship with Kylie’s father didn’t last.

Entry into Adult Entertainment & Addiction [(24:24–32:03)]

• After her divorce, Madison started working as an exotic dancer to support herself and her daughter, exposing her to risky environments and substance abuse.
• Madison’s addiction issues escalated, resulting in stints in rehab. Lynn described the difficult process of getting Madison into treatment, at one point lying to get her to come home so she could be involuntarily placed in rehab. Madison cycled between periods of sobriety and relapse, moving between Louisiana and Mississippi.

Woody Overton: “Once you get sucked into [that lifestyle], it’s hard to get out.” (25:16)

Lynn Rollins: “It is. It is.” (25:29)

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Movements Leading Up to Disappearance

Changes in Location & Financial Strain [(32:03–35:14)]

• Madison eventually lived in Baton Rouge, but after losing her apartment in late summer/fall 2023, began living in hotels and lost her car to an accident in October 2023.
• She relied on gig economy work (Uber, Lyft, DoorDash) until her car was totaled.
• Became dependent on others for transportation and stability.

Move to Zachary, Louisiana [(34:28–37:37)]

• In October 2023, Madison met Thomas Morris at a gas station on Airline Highway, Baton Rouge, while staying in nearby hotels. He offered her a place to live and a job looking after his children in Zachary, LA.
• Madison moved in with Morris shortly after, telling her mother about the arrangement but not volunteering his name at first.

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Communications & Timeline Before Disappearance

Final Conversations [(38:49–45:29)]

• Communication was sporadic but ongoing. Madison stayed in touch, updating Lynn about her situation.
• Last regular phone conversation: November 15, 2023.
• Last text: Thanksgiving (Nov 23, 2023), exchanged loving messages.
• Post-Thanksgiving: Contact switches to a new phone number; last text from Madison (or her phone) was November 29, 2023—a photo of eyeglasses, with Madison saying she was getting a job as a caregiver.

Lynn Rollins: “Back to the text message. It was November 29, was the last time that I heard from Madison on this new number... And that was it. I never did... hear anything else from Madison.” (44:10)

Growing Alarm & Reporting Madison Missing [(45:47–54:29)]

• Lynn became worried when Madison didn’t call on her birthday (early spring 2024), something she never missed.
• A dream featuring Madison’s late father further heightened Lynn’s concerns, prompting her to reach out to Madison’s friends and network on Facebook.
• No one had seen Madison since Thanksgiving. Lynn’s “go-to” friends confirmed details about Madison’s last known whereabouts.
• Lynn reports Madison missing first to Liberty, MS authorities, then is directed to file with Zachary, LA police.
• Through a Facebook search, Lynn finds Thomas Morris, who at first is vague, only later admitting Madison had lived with him and “left with all her things in a car with another man.”

Woody Overton: “He said he saw her get into a vehicle with another man and she left, took all her stuff with her, and he never saw her again. Is that correct?”
Lynn Rollins: “Right. That is the story that he told to Zachary Police Department.” (54:05)

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Law Enforcement Response & Case Status

Police Investigation [(54:29–56:58)]

• Zachary PD’s initial contact with Morris was by phone; he relayed the same vague account.
• Resource limitations and frequent missing persons cases are cited as reasons for slow follow-up.
• The family expresses concern that more thorough in-person investigation didn’t happen sooner.

Urgency & Plea for Help [(56:59–end)]

• Woody emphasizes the importance of “lifers” sharing the case online with hashtag #WhatHappenedToMadison to increase media and search engine attention.
• A tip line (313-RLRC-TIP) is open for anonymous leads.
• Woody and Lynn vow to continue pushing until Madison is found.

Woody Overton: “Somebody knows something... Whatever happened to Madison, it didn’t happen in a vacuum... She had to get there. Somebody knows something.” (58:30)

Lynn Rollins: “Giving up’s not an option.” (60:53)

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Notable Quotes and Emotional Moments

• “I’m only as good as your tips. Then I’ll follow them down, I’ll work them down. People tell me stuff they won’t tell the cops.”
  — Woody Overton (59:00)

• “This mama I’m sitting across from, it’s got nothing. Pure love. And I can’t say all parents are like that...”
  — Woody Overton (59:48)

• “Hashtag what happened to Madison... Giving up’s not an option.”
  — Lynn Rollins (60:53)

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Key Time Stamps

• 03:39 – Case Introduction: “Not the coldest case I’ve ever worked... what happened to Madison.”
• 10:42–13:46 – Madison’s childhood trauma and family relationships.
• 24:24–25:43 – Madison’s entry into dancing, struggles with addiction and support from her mom.
• 34:28–37:37 – Madison meets Thomas Morris and moves to Zachary, LA.
• 38:49, 44:10 – Details of last communications with Madison (Thanksgiving, Nov 29 text).
• 45:47–54:29 – Process of reporting Madison missing, interaction with Thomas Morris, and involvement of Zachary PD.
• 56:59–end – Call to action, social media engagement, closing emotional appeals.

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Summary & Next Steps

This episode painstakingly constructs the backstory of Madison Allen, showing her as a complex, deeply loved daughter and mother, whose vulnerabilities and resilience shaped her life journey. The narrative is enriched by Lynn’s raw honesty and Woody’s empathetic, investigative approach. The show closes by rallying the community to activate the #WhatHappenedToMadison campaign—laying the groundwork for future episodes, which promise to delve deeper into the investigation and pressure points in the search for Madison.

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Transcript

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[Police Officer]

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[Narrator/Voice Actor]

And the wolf is at your core. Your running's over, that's for sure. Already knows all about you

[Woody Overton]

cut you

[Narrator/Voice Actor]

down no matter about you. Now you better watch the light.

[Woody Overton]

Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 18 years or older. He my warning people, I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you will were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're going to get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of Real Life Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. Today starting a new series, y', all, a new story. Every time we do one of these, it's always different. We never know where they're going to go and this story is,

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I won't

[Woody Overton]

say it's, it's probably the least cold case that I've ever worked, meaning that is fresher than other cases. But it's right here in my backyard in an area I grew up in. And you know, it's real people, it's real life, real crime. But to the the name of the series is going to be what Happened to Madison? And we're going to be talking about Madison Renee Allen. Right from first of all, let me say I have a guest in the studio with me today and introduce yourself.

[Lynn Rollins]

Hey, my name's Lynn Rollins. I'm Madison Renee Allen's mom.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And where, where was Madison born?

[Lynn Rollins]

Madison was actually born in Brandon, Mississippi, but we moved back to my hometown, Liberty when she was 2.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. And for you lifers, you know, fun not fun fact but just a fact for you, where you live In Liberty is 30 minutes from me and where Madison disappeared from is 30 minutes for me. So I'm right in the middle and but I appreciate you coming in today and we've been talking and there's a lot more y', all, you know how I do this. We're going to talk about Madison today and in her life and her mom and family and stuff like that. And then the, then we're going to get into what happened to Madison. And so on all social media as this case develops the naturally the tip lines can be open 313RLRC tip and you can call me anonymous 247 leave me a voicemail and I'll call you back or text or however you want to do it. Email, it doesn't matter but if it, if you use a tip line 313 rlrc tip that's where I go and check first. But I would ask that y' all hashtag what happened to Madison. H A P P E N E D what hashtag what happened to Madison. And what that does and the life first night from past cases is it pushes it up this case up in the algorithms of Google and any search engine and what have you. And I can tell you this, this case without I know a lot of you know about it already but this case it is has lots twists and turns in it and the. Just want to bring Madison home that will start with that. Right. And at some point when that happens, we're going to be swapping to hashtag justice for Madison. But we got, we got to get there first. Right. So Ms. Lynn, tell me Brandon, Mississippi, where's where Is that north of Jackson? Yeah. Okay. All right, so about two and a half hours from here, I'm guessing. And then you came back to Liberty. What year was Madison born?

[Lynn Rollins]

1991.

[Woody Overton]

Golly, my twenties already. Right, the 1991. And. And you come back to Liberty. Was she raised in Liberty or.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And go to school there or.

[Lynn Rollins]

She started school at a mid school center in Liberty, and then she went to Pine Hills in Gloucester, and then I eventually moved to Franklin county and she went to school there.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. All right, so coming up, the. Have she had brothers and sisters in the house?

[Lynn Rollins]

She did. She has a younger brother. His name's Morgan. He made 29 last year. And a younger sister, Cheyenne, who made 21 last year.

[Woody Overton]

So her brother and her pretty close in age.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

And then you had a few years off before you had another one. Right, right. But I did the same thing. The. All right, so let's talk about Madison. I want people to know who Madison was as a person, because the problem with the world today is everything is instant social media what have you. And especially in true crime stories and people that are missing or people that have been murdered in cold cases, people just read it and it's just another story because it's unfortunate people become desensitized to it. So I want to talk about Madison, and I want you to tell me who she was as a person. But let's start from young times. What. What kind of a baby was she? Did she sleep all night or do

[Lynn Rollins]

you remember Madison was born three months early.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Lynn Rollins]

She weighed three pounds and.

[Woody Overton]

Wow.

[Lynn Rollins]

14 ounces. Wow. But to look at her, she just looked like a little, tiny, fat baby.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

She ended up having to stay in the hospital 14, 15 days just to make sure she could eat breathing right. But other than that, you know, she was. She just looked perfect. Just tiny. She was a fat baby. She had so many roles. We used to call her the Michelin tire baby because I'd have to put powder under her neck and in the creases of her arms.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Chafing and stuff.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yeah. But she wasn't a real good baby. She fussed all the time. I guess you could say needy, because I remember when it was time for her to start crawling, the pediatrician told me, said, lynn, you have to put that baby down. She's going to have to cry and just put her down. She has got to learn to crawl. Because I held her off.

[Woody Overton]

Right. But that was the mama in you, Mama bear.

[Lynn Rollins]

It was. But I hate to say she was a bad Baby, she was just spoiled, I guess.

[Woody Overton]

I tell you what, my mom and kid, we both, you know, Matteo in a heartbeat. I was a bad baby. But babies are babies, right? And then the. You would have been a young parent at the time.

[Lynn Rollins]

I was 18 when I had Madison.

[Woody Overton]

So then holding a baby a lot. That's understandable.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right, Right.

[Woody Overton]

And then so she comes out of being a baby. What kind of child was she?

[Lynn Rollins]

Madison was always into something curious. I guess it was her way of learning.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

And like I said, you know, she was born in Brandon. And then after she turned 2, I moved back home to Liberty and eventually got married to my high school sweetheart.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

Which that didn't last very long either, because, you know, I was living in the fantasy of my school sweetheart, but we was better off best friends. So it ended on good terms. And then when Madison was 4, 4 or 5, I remarried again to my son's dad. And when Madison was five, we found out that Madison was being molested by a step sibling and her dad's home. And that was. That was pretty tough to deal with, I imagine.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

And a reason I'm bringing this up because I think this is where I'm gonna say issues. All of Madison's issues generated from was her childhood, because like I said, it was. It was tough to deal with. And then it put a strain on her relationship with her dad for years. She didn't go back out to her dad's house, so she had an emptiness. She had a stepdad that loved her, but she also knew she had a dad that didn't have anything to do with her. And it was like maybe 10 years.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

In which, you know, they say time heals everything, but it didn't heal what happened to my son. It just helped repair her relationship to her dad because, you know, that's her dad, and you gonna love your dad regardless.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

So they developed a bond again. And. And I'm just bringing this up because it was like Madison always had this void that she was trying to feel.

[Woody Overton]

It's okay. It's okay. Well, let me take you back to, you know, childhood stuff happens, and I get it. And I've worked a thousand of those cases also. Right. And the. You don't have to. It's not that you're making excuses for Madison. I know you're mama bear and. And it's your baby girl and always will be, but it doesn't matter on those things that happen, and it matters that they happen. But whatever choice that Madison made later on in life, there's no judgment here. Madison is a human, right. Human being. Okay, so back to growing up, and you got the country, Mississippi country accent going and all that, so I know you can cook already. What was Madison's favorite food?

[Lynn Rollins]

Well, just let me correct you for a minute.

[Woody Overton]

You can't cook.

[Lynn Rollins]

I did not get the cooking ability. My sister got the cooking ability. I had the ability to work.

[Woody Overton]

There you go. All right.

[Lynn Rollins]

But Madison's favorite food was grilled cheese and macaroni and cheese.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

It's funny that you asked that, because I had a friend that used to come visit me. Her name was Teresa. And then she was like Lynn. I always just thought you couldn't cook because every time I came over, you was feeding the kids grilled cheese or macaroni and cheese. I said that's what they wanted to eat. So that's what I fixed for.

[Woody Overton]

Right. But pretty. Pretty easy. They ever put syrup on the grilled cheese or just.

[Lynn Rollins]

No, they didn't know anything about syrup and grilled cheese. It was just grilled cheese and macaroni and cheese.

[Woody Overton]

There you go. Nothing wrong with that. All right.

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[Woody Overton]

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[Lynn Rollins]

Smart.

[Woody Overton]

Really?

[Lynn Rollins]

Madison was super smart in school. She did real good in school, like I said. You know, we moved to Franklin county at one time, and then we stayed there for several years, and then I eventually moved back to Liberty, which is in Emit County. So she did real good in school. Super smart.

[Woody Overton]

Well said. So she's in school, she's a good student, and. Yeah, yeah, you have the family issues and what have you. But at some point, did she graduate or.

[Lynn Rollins]

No. When Madison turned 15, she decided she wanted to go live with her dad in Pike County. So that's what she did. She went to north pike for maybe two weeks, and then they put her in Camp Shelby. And then she had, I'm going to say, health issues. Something was going on with her stomach, and she was having to go to the hospital. So you ended up missing too many days. So Camp Shelby sent her home, and then she come back to live with me then. And then she met. Met this guy who I did not know his current age. He was older than my son, but he did not look older. You know, he looked older, but he didn't look as old as what he really was. And she had been seeing him before she moved back home. And that's where my oldest granddaughter comes into play, who is now 16.

[Woody Overton]

What's her name?

[Lynn Rollins]

Kylie.

[Woody Overton]

Kylie.

[Lynn Rollins]

She'll be 17 in June. They ended up getting married. Of course, you know, Madison was young. It didn't, it didn't last too long because Madison had a lot of her mom in her. You know, when you're young, you know everything.

[Woody Overton]

Oh yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

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[Lynn Rollins]

She did later on in life. She did send herself to college, but it was later on.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. All right, so back to she becomes a mom. How was she as a mom? How are you as a grandmother?

[Lynn Rollins]

Well, she was scared to tell me. And, you know, I already knew something for the way that she was acting. And I remember we was living in a little small trailer at the time, and she came in my bedroom and she said, mom, I got something to tell you. And I'm like, what? And then she told me that she was pregnant. And I said, well, my son, I'll tell you right now, I said, it's going to be hard. I said, you know that because you've seen the struggle that I went through with three. But I help you any way I can. I watch the baby for you while you babysit. But I'm not babysitting so you can run the roads, right? She was a good little mom. You know, it was hard on her at the time. Kylie's dad, the work that he does, he was out of state all the time. So it was a little hard on her then.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so she has Kylie and being a young mom like you said, and y' all were still in Liberty.

[Lynn Rollins]

We was at in Franklin county at this time still.

[Woody Overton]

And so what transpires next?

[Lynn Rollins]

Well, after Madison and her husband split up, she had to find a way to support her and the baby. And that's when Madison started dancing and would she discuss that with me? And I told her, I said, my son, you know, you're grown. That's your choice. Like I said, I babysit. I help you any way I can. I babysit while you do what you need to do, right? And at this Time when Madison started dancing, of course, she met different people.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

And she ended up living a different lifestyle.

[Woody Overton]

Right. That's a. You know, I got a lot of experience in that area.

[Lynn Rollins]

The

[Woody Overton]

90 of the time. It opens up doors, whether it's narcotics or. Or whatever it may be. And that's just the lifestyle that they get sucked into. And then once you get sucked into that, it's hard to get out.

[Lynn Rollins]

It is. It is.

[Woody Overton]

But it's also really hard when you start making money. However it is that you're making it and. And you got a baby at home, it's. It compounds and makes it even harder to stop.

[Lynn Rollins]

That is true. But, you know, Madison, she was a good little mom. Kylie stayed with me, and then Callie would stay at her dad's house, Madison's dad. And Madison eventually got an apartment in Louisiana at around this time. But then she would come back and forth. And I kept Kylie pretty much for the first two years because, like I said, Kylie's dad worked out of state a lot. And then my lifestyle changed. Or I'm gonna say my lifestyle. We lost our home, and I couldn't keep Kylie anymore because I didn't know how I was gonna provide for me and my other two children, much less my grandbaby. So that was hard on everybody there. And Kylie would stay with her mom and then with Madison's dad and stepmom. And then in 2013, I believe it was, is when I moved back to Emmett county. And in 2015, you know, I realized my son had a problem. And then she was in and out of my house at this time, and I made arrangements to have her sent to rehab.

[Woody Overton]

And what was her drug of choice at this time?

[Lynn Rollins]

I really don't remember, because it was 2015.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

I just remember lying to her to get her to come to my house. It was Easter, and I told him, I said, well, we're gonna wait till after Easter because I'm not gonna have my babysitting in the jail cell Easter weekend. So I had lied to her about a job, coming with me to see about a job cleaning someone's house. And when she got there, I had to call the cops to come pick her up, Which they did. So the law was she had to stay the first night in jail. And I remember going and seeing her. And I told you earlier that my son had issues from when. When she was a child. And then sometimes she would just. She would fall back into, like, a child state of mind.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

And when I went to see her at the jail, that Night, she was sitting on the floor, and only thing I could see was she was like a little baby just sitting over there. Just. She was just back in this. This child state of mind. But so the next day, she. We went to a hearing, and they released her in my custody until they had a bed available. And she got to stay with me. I don't. It was a few days. It might have been up to a week until they got a bed available and I had to bring her back for them to take her to the facility, which was in Jackson. She stayed there 30 days. Of course, I would go see her every visitation. I picked her up. When she was released, she stayed with me. And then Madison and Callie's dad developed a relationship again, and that gave us broken. He was born in 2016, And Madison did real good for a while. And I cannot remember exactly how she ended up in Louisiana, but it was a while after Brogan was born. After Brogan was born, I picked her and the baby up from the hospital, and they stayed with me for a while. Things didn't work out with the baby's dad, and then Madison was involved with this other guy, super, super nice guy. They was together for a little while, and then Madison ended up going back to Louisiana.

[Woody Overton]

Where in Louisiana?

[Lynn Rollins]

Amet. Amet, Louisiana?

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Lynn Rollins]

I was trying to remember if she was married to her second husband in between Kylie and Brogan, but I do know that she went back to her second husband. I'm not exactly sure when they. When they married, but it's, you know, it's been so long ago and so much has happened. I do good to remember who I am most days. But she ended up moving back to Amite, Louisiana, with her second husband, and her and Brogan stayed there for a while, and then my mind just went blank.

[Woody Overton]

That's okay. She says she's back in Amy. And where's she at from there? Did some point. Did she get back off on the drugs again?

[Lynn Rollins]

She did. Madison had filed addiction, you know, off and on for years. She would do good, and then she would fall back into it. And she did go to rehab a couple different times. Her second husband helped her with that. And at some point in time, Allison had moved back home after she moved to Ameet, and it's just really hard for me to remember everything that took place.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, you don't have to do that. We can skip forward if you want to. All right, so the. Let's go to how she ended up in the Zachary area. And the Zachary, Louisiana.

[Lynn Rollins]

Madison had an apartment. She had moved into an apartment in Baton Rouge. She ended up losing her apartment, and then she started staying in hotels. That was, you know, Madison's choice at this time. She had a car. And then in October, she lost her apartment, like in August or September of 23. And in October of 23, she totaled her car.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Lynn Rollins]

So not only was she staying in hotels now, she did not have transportation. She told me that she was doing Lyft, Uber. At first, I want to say it was doordash, but anyway, she was using her car to help pay her bills. And then once she lost her car, she had to become dependent on other people. And she met this guy that promised to help her, help her get her life straight and get her back on her feet. The only thing she had to do was help him take care of his two children. And that's how she ended up in Zachary.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, in. What's this guy's name?

[Lynn Rollins]

His name is Thomas Morris.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, and so she moves in with Thomas Morris at some point?

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes, sir. Not long after she totaled her car, she moved to Zachary. We're going to say the middle of October.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And she called you and told you this or.

[Lynn Rollins]

I knew. Yes, she called me. I knew that she was staying in Zachary, but I didn't know exactly where. And at the time, I did not know the man's name. If she told me, I just didn't pay. It didn't stick with me. But I knew she was staying with someone and helping take care of his two children.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. And this is around the end of October 2023.

[Lynn Rollins]

It's because she had. It was right after she wrecked her car. And I believe that she totaled her car, like, October 12th.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Lynn Rollins]

And then not long after that is when. When she moved.

[Woody Overton]

And do you know where she met him at?

[Lynn Rollins]

I do. She met him.

[Woody Overton]

Y', all, this is important. As we get into the story, it's going to become very important, but go ahead.

[Lynn Rollins]

As I had stated, my son was staying in hotels, and then they would stay in hotels that was convenient to stores they could walk to. This particular time, she was staying off an airline, and she met Thomas Morris at a racetrack.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. So if you're not from Louisiana or Baton Rouge, that's airline, highway and racetracks. A gas station, convenience, slash, convenience store.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes. And I do know Airline has more than one racetrack, but this particular racetrack was towards the area where Celebration Station is at. I'm not too familiar with Louisiana, so I can't tell you, you know, if it's close.

[Woody Overton]

It's not that Far from interstate or. And where Sherwood and all that comes out around Airline.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

So she just meets him at the store and I guess they strike up a conversation and at some point he says, you come live with me. Just take care of my kids and I'm gonna take care of you.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And she told you this, Right? Right.

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[Woody Overton]

And what'd you think?

[Lynn Rollins]

Well, you know, my son's grown. She was 32 at this time. And I knew that she'd been staying in the hotels and you know, someone offered her a place to stay, giving her a job helping take care of the kids. And then she had a roof over her head.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

Which is, you know, it's. Looking back at it, I think it's not a good idea. But you don't know that at the

[Woody Overton]

time sounds like a better idea than living in a hotel on Airline Highway.

[Lynn Rollins]

That's. That's true. And you know, she stayed in contact with me, you know, I knew she was fine.

[Woody Overton]

Tell me about that. The contacts y' all would have is like my oldest in California, and I had my first grandbaby last year, a year and a half ago. The. We may talk five times one week and we may not talk at all the next week, you know, and. But she's. She's momming and running a restaurant and, you know, working every day. And it's different time schedule. So then there's reason I'm. I'm prefacing this because the. But you tell me about y' all talking now.

[Lynn Rollins]

We didn't talk every day, you know, some. Sometimes we would talk several times a week and then sometimes we wouldn't. But Madison always stayed in contact with me. You know, I did work at this time. I was working, sending my youngest child to school on my own. That was a struggle, you know, and I had my life in liberty. And then my son had started this new life helping this man with his two children. And in. That was in October and in November, I talked to her on the phone. November 15th. I remember because my son's birthday is November 16th. We talked a little bit on the phone that day.

[Woody Overton]

What I talk about, she was going

[Lynn Rollins]

Back to school, you know, she was doing fine. She talked about staying, you know, helping with the two kids.

[Woody Overton]

What does she say about that?

[Lynn Rollins]

She would drive them to school, pick them up from school. She had transportation that Thomas provided her with to use. You know, it's like a. Sounded like a sweet deal, right? You know, you got a roof over your head, car to drive, money in your pocket. And then I spoke to her again. Thanksgiving, which was like a week or

[Woody Overton]

eight, eight or nine days later.

[Lynn Rollins]

I can't remember what she told me that they was going to be doing for Thanksgiving, but I do remember texting with her on Thanksgiving because I have, you know, that conversation in my phone still. And she, you know, we told each other happy Thanksgiving and that we love one another. And at this time, this was on Madison's personal cell phone, her number that she's had for a while.

[Woody Overton]

And.

[Lynn Rollins]

And then a few days later, I received a text message from another number. And I wasn't really sure who it was because I didn't know this number. And they sent me a picture of two eyeglass frames. this time, I worked for an eye doctor. And then I was thinking this number was from one of my daughters, my youngest daughter's friend, because she was getting ready to come into the eye doctor and I was going to help her with her glasses. And then I was like, who is this? And she said, this. My Cheyenne's friend's name is actually Maddie as well. So, you know, I'm still not catching on to who this is at the moment. And she said, I got a job. And I was like, oh, good. Doing hair. Because that's what Cheyenne's friend went to school for. And she was like, no sitting with people home here. And then I. Then I realized, you know, that there was Madison.

[Woody Overton]

Your Madison.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yeah, my medicine. On this phone. And which it was so strange because, you know, just the other day she was on her phone and now we're talking on a different phone, but she told me that she was going back to school again and that, you know, she was getting a job. And I mean, this.

[Woody Overton]

I obviously rattled, you know, most of the stuff that you sent me, et cetera. When you say getting a job, this was like a, you know, a done deal type thing. She had the interview lined up.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right, right.

[Woody Overton]

And so this is what she's telling you. It's not. I'm. I'm just getting a job. She named the place and. And all that.

[Lynn Rollins]

She didn't name the place, who she was going to be working with, company wise she just told me what she was going to be doing sitting with someone because Madison was always a caregiver. When I mentioned that, you know, I told you we lived in Franklin county and we had a neighbor two houses up from us that was paralyzed in a wheelchair. And when Madison found out that this little guy up the road was paralyzed in a wheelchair, she made friends with him and he eventually became Uncle Ricky Van to my kids and, and then he was my best friend and he was part of our family then, you know, and it would. If it wouldn't have been for Madison wanting to see if this guy needed any help, we would have never been had. Ricky Van as a family member.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, it was just when people outside the south may not understand the, the best people I called uncle or aunt or my parents, best friends, what have you with. But no way blood related. It's the family you want to have, basically.

[Lynn Rollins]

So back to the text message. It was November 29, was the last time that I heard from Madison on this new number. I'm assuming this was Madison on this

[Woody Overton]

new number, but it was about the eyeglass. I saw the pictures. It was like some frames or something.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes. And that was November 29th. That and I never did. I didn't hear anything else from, from Mason. You know, Christmas came, I reached out to my son, tell her, you know, merry Christmas. At this point in time, I got a lot of stuff going on in my life. In and out of court with my daughter's dad. He want to quit paying child support. He didn't want to send a help center to college. So I'm struggling with that and working and trying to live halfway normal life.

[Woody Overton]

I get it. And well, meanwhile, like said, Madison is in her 30s now.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

She's, you know, the last communications that you have, she's doing good or she's doing well. She's going back, getting the, the sitting job and going back to school. And you know, she's an adult.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right, Right. And I did not have any reason to worry because I knew my son would call me if she needed help. If she want me to come get her, my son would call me. Because I have done it so many times.

[Talkspace User]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

For if she needed mama, Mama was going to be there.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

You know, couple months passed by, I would reach out and I wouldn't hear anything. And you know, I, I didn't think anything of it because Madison was busy. So I told myself Madison was in school, Madison was working. And then my birthday rolled around. My son has never missed my birthday. She would contact me on my birthday, regardless of what she had going on. So I got a little concerned. And then I remember laying in the bed, she had a new Facebook. I had sent a friend request to this new Facebook in November, and it got accepted on my birthday. And I felt a little relief. I was like, you know, my baby's okay. She's busy. But I didn't hear from her. So now we're in April, and I had a dream two nights in a row. I know this is gonna sound crazy, but it's the truth. Madison's dad passed away five years ago, and, you know, everybody was on good terms at this point. But anyway, in April, I had a dream two nights in a row. The first night, I woke up and drained about my since daddy. And she was in a dream. And I'm like, why am I dreaming about Ronnie? But I had a heavy feeling in my chest. I said, okay, well, you know, maybe Ronnie's just trying to haunt me because, you know, the next morning, same thing. And I woke up and I said, oh, my God, something has done happened to Madison. So I automatically. Contacted everyone that I knew. My son had friends that she kept in touch with. I call them her to go to people. Because if I ever needed my son and if I couldn't get in touch with her, her to go to friends could. No one seen or heard from her since then in November. So my next thing was, I'm contacting everybody on Facebook. I'm messaging everybody on Facebook. The ones that did read my message and respond hadn't seen or heard from her since November. A couple people were her hotel roommates. I'm going to say they stayed in the same hotels. Told me that, you know, Madison had met the guy and was staying with him, which I had already knew this. She just confirmed the story. And then I. I sent Thomas Morris a message, told him who I was. At this time, I did not know Thomas's name, told him who I was, and I was looking for my daughter.

[Woody Overton]

How did you send him a message again?

[Lynn Rollins]

Facebook Messenger.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Lynn Rollins]

Because at this time, I'm messaging all the Facebook friends. I don't went through my numbers.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Lynn Rollins]

He said he has not seen her since around Thanksgiving time, but he had been looking for her himself. And he. He made a comment about that my son was on drugs and that he contacted a supplier and he hadn't heard from Reader. He never once told me my son was living in his home. You know, like I said, at this time, I knew that my son was living with a guy with two Children, but I did not have a name or the exact location, so I didn't. You know, I didn't think anything about it. At this time. I'm still messaging people on Facebook, but then my to go to friends are doing investigating work, too. And Madison had sent one of them an address to where she was staying and then.

[Woody Overton]

Meaning the apartment with the guy with more subdivision.

[Lynn Rollins]

Yes, sir.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, the subdivision.

[Lynn Rollins]

And so I reported my son missing in the meantime.

[Woody Overton]

Let's talk about that real quick. That it's important. Who did you report it to?

[Lynn Rollins]

The first time I reported my son missing was in Liberty in a minute county, because that's where I live. And they was going to handle it or whatever. And then the next day or night, we was told that we had to report her missing in Zachary because that was the area that she had went missing from. And then we used a picture that my son had posted on Facebook as her profile picture. It had a child in the back. So we're trying to find out where she was living in Zachary. So Zachary police department sent someone to the school with this picture to see if they can identify the boy. And at this time, while they're doing that, I have a. To go to friends sending me the address. So we found out the same time, the address. And then I found out a name to the address, and it was Thomas Morse. The same person that I had been messaging that never once told me my child was living in his home or that she vanished from his house. And when I asked him.

[Woody Overton]

Well, he didn't say anything about. Yeah, he said she was missing. He didn't say she went missing.

[Lynn Rollins]

He said that he. He hadn't seen her since around Thanksgiving time, and he'd been looking for himself. And then we got the address. You know, Madison was staying at this man's home, so I'm still messaging him on Facebook after I found out that she was living there. I never asked him. Why did you not tell me my child was missing from your house at this time? I'm playing detective. Asked, what did my son leave? And he said she took everything with her. So. Okay. And then, you know, I had a. A private investigator lady that was friends with Madison is how I got connected with her a while back. They was friends and a friend of hers helping. And they. They spoke with Thomas and he told them the same thing.

[Woody Overton]

Stop there. Let's go back. Cut off at. Made the misperson's report that identified the child at school. You got the address. And then. So when you get the address at what Point. Did you ask him about Madison leaving from there? And exactly the first time, the first story he gave, what did he say?

[Lynn Rollins]

I asked what did you know? If my son left anything behind, something along those lines, I'd have to go back to read the exact message.

[Woody Overton]

I'll paraphrase it for you because I read it. Basically, he said something to the fact of. And you correct me if I'm wrong, he. I guess when you confronted him, why didn't you say that she went missing from your home? Because all before that, all he'd say on Facebook was, yeah, I hadn't seen her since November just like everybody else, and I even get. Try to get in contact with a dealer. And he hadn't seen her either. But at some point when you confront him, he said he actually admitted that she. Yes. She was living there and he said he saw her get into a vehicle with another man and she left and. And took all her stuff with her and she left and he never saw her again. Is that correct?

[Lynn Rollins]

Right. That is a story that he told to Zachary Police Department.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Lynn Rollins]

Over the phone.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. Well, that's. That's what he said. Now you're. You're digging in your mama Baron Zachary PD at this. This point, you know, the. At least they, you know, tried to identify the kid. Once they identify the kid, they went and interviewed him and that's what he said.

[Lynn Rollins]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And the. Did they say anything different to you at that time? Because we're going to stop it for this week. This is. There's a reason I want everybody to listen next week to as this develops. But the. What is the word? The first story is that you just heard from Zachary pd. The first story, or what is the first story he actually told you?

[Lynn Rollins]

The first story that he told me was through Facebook messenger where he said that she took what little things she had there she took with her when she left. And he, you know, told Zachary Police department about her getting into an unidentified car with someone. And then he also told the private investigators that Myson left and took everything with her. So at this point, we have the story that my son left and took everything with her.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And the. Who was the original detective?

[Lynn Rollins]

Detective Minor Minor Zarco pd. And they spoke. I'm gonna say they. Because I'm not 100% sure who called Thomas, but they didn't do an interview at his house. The interview was done over the phone when they called and was asking about my.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And I'm not taking up for them. But yeah, missing persons cases. I don't want to say they're a dime a dozen, but they are. And 90% of the time, the people come home. Right, Right. And so they're going to follow up. They're like, you know, let me call this cat. Just see what he says. He gives them a line of whatever, and for whatever reason, they don't follow up. Not that much shade on Zachary pd I mean, y', all, that's a. Zachary is a not small city, but I mean, certainly bigger than where I'm from. But. But they don't have a whole lot of resources police wise. And back then I knew the chief of police and everything else, but, I mean, I. I don't believe that they had any malfeasance. I don't believe there's any foul play on Zachary Police Department. Meaning, like they didn't do anything to Madison. They're not involved other than they didn't follow up at. After that phone call. They didn't follow up.

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[Woody Overton]

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[Lynn Rollins]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so we're in this episode right now, but I want y' all to listen in next week because there's a reason I'm taking my time. There's a reason the. I'm digging in everything from the grilled cheeses to. To, you know, school to whatever. Right? And. And it's because we're putting a human face on Madison. And you heard Ms. Lynn tear up a couple times in it. She's, you know, fighting back tears. And we hadn't even got into the bad stuff yet, y', all. But the. We need to put the human face on Madison. I want you to tune back in and listen because we're about to get tell you how. Well, I always tell you how cases roll, how every case is different, how things develop or sometimes, unfortunately, they don't develop. But we want to bring Madison home. What happened to Madison? We want to find out. Okay, and we're gonna find out, but we cannot do it without you lifers. All right? Somebody. Whatever happened to Madison, it didn't happen in a vacuum. And in the. Madison, wherever she's at now, she had to get there. Okay, but, you know, someone had to bring her there. Somebody knows something. In three. One three RLRC Tip. Call it in. Absolutely. Can remain anonymous. The. And we'll get. We're going to get into the reward and stuff in a little bit and billboards and all that. But the. You can remain anonymous. But I. I'm only as good as your tips. Then I'll. I'll follow them down. I'll work them down. People tell me stuff they won't tell a cops. And you know, I'm no longer in law enforcement and that's fine. Evil. If you don't want to be anonymous, I don't. That's fine too. What. Whatever you want to do. But somebody knows. And we're going to push this platform and use real life, real crown, the podcast, and you lifers. And we're going to push this and we're going to push it and we're going to push it because the harder we push, the more information we're going to get. And that's when we're going to find out what happened to Madison. So, Ms. Lynn, you got anything else you want to say? I know your head's about to blow up over there, but.

[Lynn Rollins]

No, I mean, so.

[Woody Overton]

So you know, I call my fans lifers affectionately. Right? And you're going to be. You're end up being family to them just like you're going to be end up being family to me. And you're going to find out. I'll just. Just let them show you that. But y', all, we're gonna do hashtag what happened to Madison on everything. I'm gonna do some tick tocks again and all the social media and the real life for crime community out hashed tag what happened to Madison on on the end of every one of your posts, please. And again, that helps us. Everything we're doing, we're taking all the experience from the years past, all the different cases we worked and putting them all, all these points together, even though Madison's case is totally different and we're using experience and yalls experience and helping in past cases. This mama that I'm sitting across from, it's got nothing. Pure love. And I can't say all parents are like that. And. And she's about to cry again. But the she came here today. The and I guess it'd be pretty fair for me to say that you're never gonna stop, right, Lynn?

[Lynn Rollins]

No. Giving up's not an option.

[Woody Overton]

All right. All right. Hashtag what happened to Madison. This is the first of numerous and again, the difference between this and the hashtag Justiceforce. When we get to the justice four part, we'll swap it to that. Right now we want to know hashtag what happened to Madison. And I love and appreciate appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Three one three RLRC tip calling you tips. The tip is too small or too big or irrelevant. We gotta actually have a lot of stuff already. But the we're gonna build this week by week. Y', all, please, like and share the episode. Tell everybody about it. And next week's episode, we'll do one a week. Next week's episode. Because that give me time to catch up on everything that comes in. Next week's episode is you true crime fans out there, you're gonna. You're gonna pick up on it pretty quickly, but the. We're gonna. We're gonna let it go where it goes. Okay? And thank you so much, Ms. Lynn.

[Lynn Rollins]

Thank you.

[Woody Overton]

All right. All right, everybody. I'm Woody Overton, your host of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. Until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you down on murder by you. Peace.

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[Woody Overton]

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[Police Officer]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Police Officer]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Lynn Rollins]

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