Real Life Real Crime | #WhatHappenedToMadison Episode 3

Summary

Real Life Real Crime | #WhatHappenedToMadison Episode 3 | March 17, 2026

Host: Woody Overton | Guest: Lynn (Madison’s mother)

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode continues Woody Overton’s deep dive into the ongoing and unsettling disappearance of Madison, a young woman missing since late 2023. Joined again by Madison’s mother Lynn, Woody explores new tips, examines patterns around the central figure of Thomas Morris, and draws connections between multiple women who suffered violence, trauma, and disappearance—many with direct ties to the same address or individual. The purpose: to keep Madison’s case in the spotlight, urge for more information, expose patterns indicating potential serial predation, and support victims and families in their pursuit of justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

The Pattern Around Thomas Morris (05:26–16:11)

• Suspect Profile & Pattern: Multiple women with lifestyle challenges, all linked to Thomas Morris, have vanished, been attacked, or were victims of trafficking.
• Woody’s Prediction: Woody expresses concern that the case may shift from “What Happened to Madison?” to “Justice for Madison”—indicating belief that Madison may not be found alive. (05:11)

  “I expect that Madison’s case is going from what happened to Madison to #JusticeForMadison, and that’s going to be unfortunate.”
  — Woody Overton (05:11)

• Timeline & Incidents (06:46–16:11):
  • Madison vanishes from Thomas Morris’ home in Zachary (Nov 2023)
  • January 2024: Another young woman staying at Morris’ house is trafficked
  • October 2024: Morris arrested for strangulation
  • Several more incidents of women being abused, vanishing, or escaping near Morris’ residences.

Recap of Suspected Victims and Chronology (08:12–15:43)

• Madison’s Disappearance (Nov 29, 2023):
  • Last seen at Morris’ house; conflicting stories to police (did/did not take belongings, left in a vehicle, etc.)
• Second Woman (Jan 2024):
  • Also staying with Morris; trafficked after being abandoned on a lot
  • “She said the next thing she remembered when she woke up, that she was sold into sex trafficking.” — Lynn (09:01)
• Third incident (October 2024):
  • Another woman attacked and Morris arrested for strangulation
  • “He admitted to my first detective that he would keep the girls in supply of drugs.” — Lynn (10:56)
• Further cases and attempted escapes: Women calling for help, trying to flee from Morris’ presence; one running through the woods in fear and then vanishing (see Stephanie’s story below)

The Case of Stephanie – Another Missing Woman (12:10–16:06)

• Discovery and Parallels:
  • Stephanie, moving in similar circles, last seen connected to Thomas Morris’ residence in St. Francisville.
  • Family receives panicked call: Stephanie running through the woods, someone chasing her; call drops, Stephanie never seen again.
• Family Responses & Law Enforcement:
  • Lynn encourages Stephanie’s family to push for action: “No, you do it now…get them to do a welfare check.” — Lynn (13:43)
  • Law enforcement visits residence, evidence starts to stack up placing Stephanie at Morris’ address
• Social Media Advocacy:
  Woody and Lynn discuss using Woody’s enormous social media platform to amplify missing persons posts for victims like Stephanie.
  • “The more you stir the pot, the more somebody’s going to come forward.” — Woody (23:43)

Suspect Behavior & Tactics (24:58–35:08)

• Changing Stories:
  • Initially, Morris denies knowing Stephanie (and other victims); later admits they were at his residence—“He lied from day one. From day one and sounds like, yeah, from day one. And then day two and months later and changes the story.” — Lynn (47:47)
  • Suggests an intent to mislead, perhaps to protect himself as heat from law enforcement and families grows.
• Pattern of Abuse:
  • Multiple accounts: women waking to being fondled by Morris, being choked, attacked, threatened, or left in vulnerable situations.
  • Several cases where women refuse to press charges—“She did tell me…he was strangling her. But…she just wanted to get her stuff and leave.” — Lynn (31:47)
  • Woody and Lynn reflect on how the “lifestyle” places women at high risk but also leaves them less likely to seek help.
• Credibility of Survivor Accounts:
  • Lynn emphasizes she had no knowledge or personal animosity toward Morris before Madison vanished (47:11), underscoring that all these reports and suspicions come from facts and testimony after the fact.
  • “Everything that you’ve gathered and everything to this point has come since Madison went missing.” — Woody (47:23)

Barriers to Justice & Law Enforcement Challenges (36:08–43:43)

• Systemic Flaws:
  • High caseloads in small towns; detectives may be overwhelmed, victims with “high-risk” backgrounds are often deprioritized.
  • Families’ faith in police “doing their jobs” sometimes means cold cases go freezing, not just cold.
  • Woody, recounting past cases, stresses how relentless advocacy and public awareness are often what finally crack cases.
• Families Forming Coalitions:
  • Lynn stays in touch with relatives of other missing women, encourages persistent agitation: “Show up, demand updates…they just moved on like, they picked the girl up. Had she not got to call 911, she may be another one that nobody ever heard from again.” — Woody (40:54)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “These crimes do not happen in a vacuum… There is no such thing as the perfect crime.”
  — Woody Overton (05:27)
• “Just because people are in the lifestyle doesn't mean they deserve what happens. Everyone is a good person to me, whether you have an addiction or not.”
  — Woody (38:41)
• “He [Morris] told the detective that my daughter left, took everything with her and left in an unidentified vehicle… said none of his cameras was working, so how did he know she left in an unidentified vehicle?”
  — Lynn (50:10)
• “Every day you sit down, you got more shit piles up on your desk. Meanwhile, you got family members like you…and these family members are hurting.”
  — Woody (38:41)
• “They’re not just statistics…and not just people that were living the high risk lifestyles. They’re human beings.”
  — Woody (54:48)
• “Hashtag what happened to Madison. You got anything else you want to say?” — Woody
  “I would just like to ask everyone if anyone knows anything pertaining to my daughter or any of the individuals that we have spoken of to just please come forward…” — Lynn (57:03)

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Important Timestamps

• Start of main content: 04:44
• Woody frames the pattern with suspect (Thomas Morris): 05:26
• Chronological breakdown of victims/incidents: 08:12–16:11
• Stephanie’s case (missing, last call): 12:10–16:06
• Recap and connection of the cases: 23:43–25:18, 29:05–31:23
• Victims’ reluctance to press charges, implications: 31:47, 36:08–38:41
• How Woody investigates and why public attention matters: 38:41–43:14
• Lynn calls for information, final appeals: 57:03

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Action Calls and Tip Information

• Community mobilization urged throughout:
  “Lifers, we need your help. Y’all got to share this. Share, share, share. Tip line: 313-RLRCTIP.” — Woody (54:48)
• Emphasis on remaining anonymous for tips; all information welcome, no matter how small.
• Use hashtag: #WhatHappenedToMadison
• Personal plea from Lynn:
  “If anyone knows anything pertaining to my daughter or any of the individuals…please come forward. Contact Mr. Woody, let him know what you know.” (57:03)

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Episode Tone and Atmosphere

• Raw, emotional, sometimes blunt but compassionate—Woody’s style mixes tough realism with deep empathy for victims and families.
• Frustration and urgency over systemic failures and indifference to high-risk victims.
• Determination to keep “stirring the pot” for truth and justice, never letting the case grow cold.
• Implications for broader patterns: the episode distinctly moves Madison’s story from a singular justice effort to a warning about predation in vulnerable populations.

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Takeaway

This episode is a gripping, disturbing, and honest look at patterns of violence ignored when victims lead transient, high-risk lives. It pleads with listeners to help shatter silence, support families, and pressure both law enforcement and community for answers before more lives are lost or forgotten.

For information or tips:
Call 313-RLRCTIP | Use #WhatHappenedToMadison on social media

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“They’re not just statistics. These women are human beings. And we need your help to bring them home, or bring them justice.”

— Woody Overton (54:48)

Transcript

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[A]

You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You have a right to an attorney prior to or during any question, but you can't afford one. The court will point one for you. Do you understand your rights?

[B]

The wolf is at your home you running over that's for sure. Already knows all about you

[A]

cut you

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down no matter about you now you better walk alive. You cry.

[A]

Warning this episode of Real Life Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature, and should be for people that are 8, 16 years or older. He my warning people. I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank You. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. And today we're continuing part three of what Happened to Madison or hashtag what happened to Madison. Y' all make sure when you comment about Madison's story that's on all our social media, etc, do hashtag what happened to Madison. And I full. I hate to say this, Ms. Lynn, first of all, Ms. Madison's mama's in the studio again with me today. Hello, Lynn. Ms. Lynn.

[B]

Hey, how are you today?

[A]

I'm doing well. Thank you for coming and I appreciate that, y'. All. We record the first two episodes on the same day. So this is. We're recording this episode a week before the release. Now, tonight, ever all lifers will get the second release of what Happened to Madison. And just from the first episode that we dropped to the Patreon convicts getting the early release that they got Saturday night. I've already received tips on the tip line calling you tips 313RLRCTIP. You can remain anonymous. I don't have to tell law enforcement. You don't have to leave your name. It just no tip is too small or too big or, or too out there or whatever. And I'll work each one of them individually. It's, you know, it's a proven method we've done in the past and we're doing it again now. Now what I want to say, and I hate to say this, Ms. Lim, but I told you I'd be brutally honest with you, is I expect that Madison's case is going from what happened to Madison to did to hashtag just for Madison. And that's going to be unfortunate. But hey, I'm sure you wish this would all go away and you pray Madison just walks through the door every night. Right?

[B]

Right. I would love for her to walk

[A]

through the door and, and, and I would love nothing more than that. And we could walk away from all this. I don't think that's going to happen. And I pray that I'm wrong. I absolutely don't think it's going to happen. But we need more information. We need more information and just got to have it. And somebody out there knows you've seen something, you've heard something. These crimes do not happen in a vacuum. Okay? The, the. You can't kill someone and move them from point A to wherever you take them to and not mess it up. And they say if you commit a homicide and you can go back and think of 10 mistakes, you've made. And even though you think you made the perfect crime, if you think of 10 of the mistakes that you've made, then you're lucky that because there is no such thing as a perfect crime. But just take some investigation. That being said, Slim, the When we left last time, we were talking about a lady in St. Francisville who had evidently called a family member and was running through the woods.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Tell me about that again.

[B]

She had called one of her friends, she was wanting someone to come get her and she told the person on the other end of the phone that she was running through the woods and someone was chasing her. And somehow another the call dropped or was lost and no one has seen or heard from her since.

[A]

Okay, so this young lady calls her friend, says she's running through the woods. Needs. Now we're talking about in West Feliciana Parish.

[B]

Right.

[A]

When this person told you this, did they say where she was in West Feliciana Parish or who she was with?

[B]

Yes. Prior to us being told about the lady on the phone with her friend, we was told who she was with in St. Francisville. She had sent a name and an address to where she was.

[A]

And what was the name?

[B]

Thomas Morse. And that's the same, the same individual that my daughter was living with, whose home she vanished from in Zachary.

[A]

Right. And not only did she vanish from there, we had another young lady who was the victim of an attack.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And let's. Let's get rehash it real quick. Let's do it by the numbers because it's important. So we know Madison went missing in November 29th approximately of 2023. Right?

[B]

Right.

[A]

And she was picked up at the racetrack. He says, hey, I'll give you whatever you a place to live, you come take care of my kids. And. And what. What not. And then he said that she left, didn't take anything. As first time the cops contact contacted him, she didn't take anything. And then months later when they bring him for question, he says she left everything, right?

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Then there was another female after Madison approximately in January, January of 24. And what happened to her?

[B]

She. She was missing. She was found and around April of 24 she was sold into sex trafficking and it was found.

[A]

Right. And what, what does she say about where she came from?

[B]

And she also was staying in the home with Thomas Morrison Zachary and she was with him to the. They was going to drop off clothes at a abandoned lot and she got scared and wanted to go home and they ended up having an argument. So he put her out at the abandoned lot as well. And within minutes, she was picked up. And she said the next thing that she remembered when she woke up, that she was sold into sex trafficking.

[A]

Okay. Did she make any allegations of harm against Thomas or anything like that?

[B]

No, not. Not at this time. She just found it strange. You know, her and her mom reached out to me when they seen Madison missing from the same home.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They just felt like I should know about her incident as well.

[A]

Right. And this is only December, a month and a half after Madison. Okay. And then the third person.

[B]

The third person, which we believe is when Thomas Morris was arrested in October of 24 on strangulation charges.

[A]

Okay. And just tell us to the best your. What you know about that.

[B]

This particular incident that was told to me by neighbors, the cops was called and the door was kicked in. Thomas Morris was arrested on strangulation charges. And it was something else. And he was taken to jail.

[A]

Okay. And that was for another young lady that was staying with him, taking care of the kids. And he was giving them, by his own admission to the police, he was giving them drugs.

[B]

Exactly. He admitted to my first detective that he would keep the girls in supply of drugs.

[A]

Right. So now we're up to three. He goes to jail, strangulation, and then he gets out, sells his house to one of his workers or something?

[B]

Yes, sir. To one of his workers. Well, friends that he worked with.

[A]

And then he moves to Westfalishana Parish. And that's. At what point do you get a phone call about this? Next thing. So when we had Madison in November, another young lady in January, then August, he gets arrested for strangulation charges. October. Okay, so it's in less than a year after Madison went missing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Eleven months after Madison missing. And he gets arrested for that. Bonds out. Like, I don't know what happened to charges, but he bonds out and he moves to Wesley channel.

[B]

Yes, sir. Sells his house and moves to St. Francisville.

[A]

All right. And then at some point, you get the call and tell us about it again and the circumstances of the call.

[B]

This was in August, I believe, of 25. I didn't receive a call. I had. I was on Facebook and I seen where this family had posted their sister missing. And, you know, my mother instincts is to see if she had mutual friends that my daughter had friends with and what she did. And so I reached out to several people that I had contacted before about my missing daughter. And within two days, I got responses back stating that Stephanie had told a friend of hers that she was going to be Going to Thomas Morris's place in St. Francisville.

[A]

And. And was Stephanie, they say, but like in the lifestyle hotel.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Same type thing. So Thomas Moore has a fourth lady that we know of, according to this family. They certainly. I don't have any direct knowledge. I wasn't there. But so they. You reach out to them. Their daughter's missing.

[B]

I reach out to them on Facebook. I had previously been in contact with St. Francisville for my daughter as well. So I knew one of the detectives there, and I'm speaking to one of the sisters about their sister that's missing, and told her that she needed to contact St. Francisville. She said she would do it tomorrow. I said, no, you do it now. Call them and get them to do a welfare check.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I told her, I said, I promise you they'll send someone out. And which they did. They sent someone out to the residence.

[A]

And what happened with that?

[B]

I'm not quite sure what all happened. I do know that the detective. Well, a detective went out because I received a call that night as well from a detective wanting information about how I knew for him to go there. We. I explained it all to him. You know what I was told. And then. Then that's when we started uncovering more evidence that Stephanie was there.

[A]

All right, let's talk about that. What. What did you uncover that proved that Stephanie was there?

[B]

Her family reached out to some of her friends, and that's when they was told about. She gave an address to where she was, which was the St. Francisville address. And then another friend was on the phone with her when she was running through the woods.

[A]

Okay. And she's saying, I need to get out of here. I need a ride.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And the phone went dead.

[B]

She was running through the woods and stated someone was running behind her. They was chasing her.

[A]

Someone's chasing her.

[B]

And the call was dropped or lost, and no one's heard or seen from her since.

[A]

Okay, and this is approximately what month this was in?

[B]

August.

[A]

August.

[B]

Well, we found out about it in August. We're not exactly sure when it took place because like Madison, Stephanie lived the same lifestyle as Madison did. And, you know, she was in and out of touch with her family as well. And I want to say that she was reported missing. Well, the last they had contact with her was around maybe February of 25.

[A]

Okay, so we're to that. And then you tell the detective and you're talking to the family, and nobody's seen this young lady since. Have they done any type of posting

[B]

or anything like that they have posted some of Stephanie. Not a whole lot in my opinion. I feel like they're waiting for the law enforcement to to do what they're supposed to do. But they recently reposted her again like two days ago.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Stephanie's mom did. I shared it on Facebook as well.

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[B]

Right.

[A]

And no one has seen or heard from her since the. Hang on. I guess at some point if the rapes on them want to talk again, we can talk. The, the. There's lots of comments and you know, people sending prayers and everything like that. So. All right, so the. What's the last you've heard on. I know you. You just shared this other day. They remember what they shared. What for this. What was the last you heard about Stephanie?

[B]

They were still working on the case. No, I haven't heard any new updates on it. I do stay in contact with the family from time to time. And one of the things that I have mentioned to Rachel, which while ago I said her mom posted, I was mistaken. It was her sister that posted was to stay on top of it.

[A]

Right. You can't. That's the thing on these cases. They are. They're already cold. Right. We don't want to let them get frozen. If the more you stir the pot, which is exactly what we're doing by sitting here talking to each other. The more you stir the pot, the more somebody's going to come forward.

[B]

Right. And I have spoken.

[A]

I didn't know this lady was missing.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I have spoke to Stephanie's mom as well. You know, messaging back and forth and, and, and I told her she needed to get Stephanie out there when she got ready to post her out there to let me know and I'd help her make it rain with pictures.

[A]

Where are they from?

[B]

Louisiana, somewhere, something.

[A]

When you reach out to them, just let them know what we're doing and, and if they want, we certainly share our information. I mean, it's huge. I think I have no direct knowledge, but I can already see where this is going. Okay. And we just need to tie the pieces of the puzzle together. So another attractive young lady missing in the lifestyle. You know this guy. I mean, I'm not throwing shade on Thomas Moore. I don't know the dude. I'm Just stating. Facts are stated to me by other people. And then he stated to the police.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And did. Do you know if he admitted to the police that she was there?

[B]

At first, I don't know what he told the police, but I know he denied her being there to the family. And then later he admitted that she was there. And it was also another girl with her that was there.

[A]

So there was two of them at the time.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And do we know what do you know about her?

[B]

I know her name.

[A]

You don't have to say it right now if you don't want to, but.

[B]

But she was. Stephanie went missing. The other girl was still there. I don't know what all the other girl knows. I do know that she was dropped back off at a store, which was a blessing to her. We feel like that she was dropped off unharmed because of all the heat that was on him.

[A]

Stephanie, in other cases, I can tell you, but it's. Again, I'm not saying anything about. I don't have any direct knowledge about Thomas Moore. I'd love to interview him if he wants to sit down with me. But the in cases in the past work when the heat finally starts coming around. It's one thing if a Zach or PD officer calls you on the phone and you don't hear from him once again, and you change your story when you go in. And then another thing, you get arrested, and then for strangulation, then you move. And now another thing, you allegedly, there's a young lady running through your. Your woods saying, I need a ride. Someone's chasing me. And this other female that's there at the same time, he's like, I'm pretty sure this is. Or people would. A bad guy would think, I'm pretty sure this is not going to end well for me. I need to get this one out of here. But you, however you heard it, you heard that he initially said, no, she wasn't here. Right. And. But then he changed the story instead.

[B]

Right. And what the story was about, what happened to her? I don't know.

[A]

Okay, don't say anything about that.

[B]

But I do know that one of the sisters was in contact with him. She was. She was real persistent and was speaking with him. And then, then, then he would try to give her information. Like, well, I was told that she was at this hotel, and then I was told she was at this hotel, and the sister was actually going and looking.

[A]

I'm like, verifying that it wasn't.

[B]

How does he even know what hotels she's at?

[A]

Well, Remember in the beginning when you were. Had contact with him, he never told you that Madison was staying at his house. He was giving you a little bit of this and a little bit of that, but you didn't know.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Right. So if I, If I am, I'm not saying anything about this dude because I don't know him. If I am feeling the heat, which the cops are going to show up, do the welfare check, and they're gonna start digging and they're going to talk to you and they're thinking, oh, we may have a show here. But then thank God this girl has somebody that loves her enough to be persistent and like you on Madison. And you damn well better believe at some point I'm gonna feel like if I don't talk to the family members all that I'm really gonna look one way and then. So I'll just tell them this, and then they come back and say either you're lying or whatever and tell them whatever. Right. As long as you. Oh, Cajun man told me one time, the old state trooper who's an investigator bro I work with, he says share. As long as the. As long as I'm throwing fire ants on somebody, then they're too busy getting them off themselves to throw them back on me. Meaning, like. Meaning if I give you this chase down, you, you're gonna. You're gonna hope so much that it's true. And I'm hoping that you, maybe you'll find somebody that says it looked like her or whatever. And if it's true that as long as you focus on that, you can't focus on me.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

All right, so now that makes. All right, we were up to. We had Madison. Madison, the.

[B]

You had the first girl, Madison.

[A]

Oh, who would tell me? Let's talk about the first girl again.

[B]

The sex trafficking right within Madison, the strangulation, Stephanie and the girl that was with her.

[A]

Okay. And the girl is with her. Got dropped off when she's safe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But the. We don't know anything else about her.

[B]

No.

[A]

All right. And. And so as far as, you know, they're working it or whatever. And, and what happens next?

[B]

I don't know what happens next.

[A]

Any more females? Yes, that's what I want to talk about.

[B]

Okay. But a couple months ago, I had this lady's and her cousin reach out to me. She wasn't exactly sure when she was in the home, but we know it was after Madison and we know it was before the house was sold in January, before the.

[A]

Before the arrest.

[B]

26 right right. The cousin first reached out to me and told me that her cousin was living in the home with Thomas Morris and she was on the phone with her cousin and an altercation took place. Her cousin was on the phone on speaker and she could hear her cousin being abused in the background and her, her cousin screaming, Call 911. And so she placed the call to 91 1. The cops did come. Now I spoke to the cousin and to the lady in the home. The cops did come and the lady that was in the home made the comment that when the cops got there, they made a comment about another girl. And she was like, what are you talking about? You know, this is the first time I've been here. And she didn't press charges. She only wanted out.

[A]

That's unfortunate. It happens in so many cases, right?

[B]

In which when I talked to her, she said she wanted to tell the police what happened. He was strangling her. But you know, she did tell me that she told the cops that she just wanted to get her stuff and leave. And the cops picked her up and took her to meet her cousin at a service station. So I think she was coming in from out of town to pick her up.

[A]

But she told you personally she did, that Thomas Moore was in fact strangling her when she said, Call 911.

[B]

Right. And she, she's going to talk to the police. I'm not sure when they're going to be able to meet with her because no sooner than I spoke with her, I contacted a detective that's on my daughter's case and, and they kind of checked into it and she, you know, told me the same thing, that she didn't press charges, she just wanted out. I said, well, she has a story to tell and she wants to tell it.

[A]

She also has a year to press charges. Although I get it, living in lifestyle and stuff, you're like that. I don't want anything to do with it. I want to get stuck in the court system, what have you. And the dude was choking me, right. By her own words, I wasn't there. But the dude was choking death. And I come to find out these other girls are missing from the same place. Now look, it's easy. I hate to say that, but like the one who woke up and sold in sex trafficking. It's easy for people that are in the lifestyle, the high risk lifestyle, the. They don't want anything to do with cops. And I get that. They, they want, they, they have an addiction. And if you're sitting in a cop's office. You can't fix your addiction, Right. And you get dope sick or whatever. And whatever. Whatever reason they might had bad experience with the cops, I don't know. But they damn well know that something's not right. I mean, you've. You've gotten the information and of course, getting them to go to the cops would probably be like pulling teeth. But the. So we know of one that he got arrested for strangling. But you know, this one, he didn't get arrested strangling. But she told you personally. I have no direct knowledge. But she told you personally that he was strangling her. Right. We have another one running, allegedly through his property. And Wesley Shannon pair saying, somebody's chasing me. And the. The other girl that got dropped off, did she ever give you any information about that altercation? Where is it? Stephanie? A young lady that's missing. What's her name?

[B]

I haven't talked to the girl that was dropped off at the city.

[A]

You haven't talked to her?

[B]

No, I do know that she had talked to law enforcement.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But I don't have any details of that.

[A]

All right, so the. This lady that you said is going to talk to law enforcement, if that happens or not, I don't know. I would like to talk to her too, but. Well, I guess we'll get there. That's like five or six.

[B]

That's six.

[A]

All right. And who else?

[B]

Before the two cousins reached out to me, I had another lady reach out to me. She wasn't living in the home or anything. She was at the. On the property in St. Francisville for a crawfish boil, I believe she said it was. She told me a story about her taking a nap and woke up to Thomas Morris fondling her. And. It's just. Just real creepy. I can't remember all the details to that.

[A]

So in general, she says she wakes up, he's following her.

[B]

Right.

[A]

What was her reaction?

[B]

Well, she used a couple cuss words and it was like, you know, what you doing, dude? You know.

[A]

So what I'm saying is it wasn't a positive reaction. It's like, come on, I want you, or whatever he's. According to her. And again, I wasn't there. But according to her, she told you she wakes up and he's fondling with her?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sexually?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And she goes off on him.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And what happened?

[B]

I'm assuming she left. She didn't press charges or anything? You know, she reached out to me about this when she seen my daughter missing. And I'm pretty Sure. I gave that information to the detectives as well, for them to talk to her.

[A]

So would she be local

[B]

around Clinton? I think she lives between Clinton and St. Francisville. I'd have to go back and look on my notes.

[A]

If you talk to her, please, any of them that want to talk, they can remain totally anonymous. I can change her voice and do whatever, but the more we stir this pot, the more. The more light's going to be shown into the darkness. Right? And you know what? Thomas Morris may be totally innocent. I don't know. But the. All these stories are stacking up, and there's a couple, you know, arrests made. Public record. There's public records of these detectives responding to welfare checks. There's public records of a lot of stuff we hadn't got into yet, I would imagine. And I don't want to do anything to mess up any investigations. And I'm not saying there are investigations. Maybe there are, maybe they are. But I believe I'm pretty much. Then I know you, Mama Lindem. And. And to the point where you said they pretty much kicked you out of the office, right? And so I would imagine. You know what I hate, Lynn? On cases like this, on cold cases, I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it when the families sit by and continue to err on the side of caution because they believe law enforcement is just going to absolutely be perfect. And you know what? That never works like that. The thing being is, I'm not saying they're acting and with malfeasance, meaning they're acting in such a bad way that they're. They're a part of it or anything. I'm thinking if I'm a detective and. And the. You know, I guarantee the Zachary detectives, they don't have a homicide division. Every case, every report that gets wrote, written in Zachary gets assigned to a detective. And that used to happen to me in Livingston, whether it's the theft of a garbage can all the way to a murder, right? And every one of them. And I used to put them in the round file. I'd flip through them and wasn't on computer back then, but I'd flip through them if they didn't have a suspect in the thing and they didn't want to press charge or didn't say anything about pressing charges. Put it in the round file, meaning the garbage can, the. Because it's impossible. And every day when you sit down, you got more shit piles up in your desk. But meanwhile, you got family members like you, and these family members Are hurting. And I go back to Courtney Coco's case. Her mama just kept believing in the cops 12 years and then finally reached out to me and I was like, I wouldn't. Didn't even have the podcast time. I was like, you know what? I'll. I'll. Give me the case file. I'll read it. Just try to help you out for free. I mean, I was doing defense consulting. I was. I wasn't gonna work the case or anything. I'm just trying to give her some tips. And she went in and told him that she wanted the file and I was coming. And they promised to the moon, said, no, you. We don't need him involved. And then many years later, but she finally had enough. She had heard on the streets, they weren't even working or what have you. She reached out, and that's how I got done. But she waste. She didn't waste it. God let her. For whatever reason, all those years, all. And she's just like you. All just like you. Show up, demand updates and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, this and this. And I think when our sister. Somebody was sitting at a softball game in a local park talking to this female, and this female didn't know that this was a relative of Courtney's, and. And they. She brought up the case. The female was actually married to a detective that worked for the sheriff's office. And the female told her, oh, no. The family thinks there's something wrong in that case, though. It's just an overdose. They've already proved it. And that's when Courtney's mama called me finally, after 15, 16 years. I forget the time frame exactly, but. But just like on this family, I would impress upon them and you. This is why I'm doing this. You got to not throwing shade on them. I just think it's a calamity of errors. You got all these high risk victims. And people get mad at me and say, why are you taking a Madison's case? Why are you. Why would you take on Haley's case? Why would you take on Austin Abanion's case or Bradley's case? And they were high risk victims. They got all these good, quote, unquote, good people out there missing. Well, you know what? Everybody's a good person to me, whether you have an addiction or not. But the problem with that is it goes across the cops desk. And the first thing they think, well, she lives in hotels all the time, works street and has a dope addiction. Has a history of moving from place to place. And they just moved on like, they picked the girl up. She was like, yeah, you know what? Had she not got to call 91 1, she may be another one that nobody ever heard from again.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And. Or maybe not, but probably so. But I would impress upon you. Am impressing. You know, now you. You got me. I'm not gonna, like, let you give it up, but this other family, these other families, I want you to reach back out to him and say that, hey, you need to go listen to this. And what he wants to talk to y' all off the record or whatever, because he's not just podcasting. He's going to be actually putting his feet on the ground, hands on doors, sitting across from people, has a tip line. And the. It's. It's what we've got to do. Only takes one and then one crack in the dam for me that I can't get off of to turn this into a real deal. All right. And. And that's a lot. We're up to like seven, right? Six.

[B]

Yes. The girl that was for the crawfish bowl made seven.

[A]

Right. And that's just goes to behavior. And actually she's not missing. Right. The or. And then the one who was being strangled, she actually told you and you still have contact with her?

[B]

I haven't spoken to her in several weeks. The last time I contacted her, I asked had the detectives been in touch with her, and she said that they were supposed to be coming. And when I did speak to the detectives about it, they have to wait until two of them can go.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I think she has transportation problems. So two of them supposed to go and visit with her. I. I do know that they're supposed to work on that now.

[A]

And, and, and kudos to them, and they probably are, but it doesn't mean we can't black. You know, I can totally change alter voices and what have you. And sit down. Let me get more insight. Let the lifers and the fans get more insight to what these people are saying, these victims or the missing people's family members are saying. Because then we need more attention. We need more attention. And the more attention brings tips. Tips, breaks open cases.

[B]

I have another girl that reached out to me. I believe she was for the last two that I had spoke with. It was in a different location. She called me and she contacted me on Facebook messenger first, and then we spoke over the phone, and she was telling me about her and her boyfriend had a flat tire at this location, and her boyfriend walked up to the store for some reason, and she was in the car, putting stuff back into the trunk of the car. And she kept noticing a car across the parking lot, was stalking, like. And she said the car circled around the dumpster by her and went back, set it across the road at the parking lot, came back one more time. And the next thing she knows, the car's pulled up next to her boyfriend, still gone at this time. So she gets in the car on the passenger side because she's scared, and said she was talking to a friend of hers. And then when she looked over, she recognized who the gentleman was. She said it was Thomas Morris. She described what he looked like, what kind of vehicle he was in. And then her boyfriend came walking up. And then Thomas Morris got out the car, and it was in front of her car. And she texted her boyfriend. That's the guy.

[A]

The guy that was stalking the guy

[B]

with the missing girl, talking about my daughter.

[A]

Oh, really? Okay.

[B]

So that everybody got back in their vehicles and they was talking about whatever. And she said her boyfriend made a comment to Thomas Morris. He said, you're the guy who had the girl that vanished from your home. And said he sped off and left.

[A]

He always asked.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Basically ran like a little bitch.

[B]

And, you know, this is what was told to me. I didn't see it with my own two eyes, but I do feel like that people need to be aware

[A]

the you can't tame. And again, I don't know Thomas Moore. And you are only repeating facts that were told to you. Certainly you weren't there when the lady woke up and he sexually molested her, or whatever you want to call it. You weren't there, you know, when the girl got strangled. You weren't there for whatever. But these people told you these things directly.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Now, you tell me if there's anything creepier. I guarantee they were broken down in a shitty part in an area that all these other girls could have been found in to begin with. The vehicle is going to drive around, drive around, keep watching. You're out of the vehicle, doing whatever they say can see you are, you know, young or attractive, female or whatever. And then at some point, they get brave enough to pull up because they don't see your man. He's going to the store, calling, doing whatever he's doing. I don't know. But then. So thank God she got in her car and. And. And this guy confronts him and says you're the guy, that basically you're Thomas Moore and he hauls ass.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And do you have any reason. Let's just get this out of the guy. It's the stupidest question ever. But I'm asking. Do you have any reason to lie to me about anything that you've told me? Let me ask you more even dumber question. Do you have any personal vendetta or knowledge or anything against this guy Thomas More, Before, Before Madison went missing,

[B]

he existed.

[A]

Right. And so everything that you've gathered and everything to this point has come since Madison went missing.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

And y', all, we told you about it when we rehashed it again today. You know, Madison missing. And look, the next time we talk, we're gonna, we're, we'll get in some text messages and different things like that that you received and different things that happened and didn't happen. But you don't have any dog in this fight other than your daughter is missing and this is the guy that she, she was living with.

[B]

That's it. And he lied from day one.

[A]

From day one and sounds like, yeah, from day one. And then day two and months later and changes the story. And then meanwhile when the light starts to shine that away, I'm pretty sure, I'm be honest with you. I'm pretty sure Zachary PD was probably like whatever in the beginning. Right. And.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Lifestyle happens. And it does, y'. All. I mean, we're not making this up. I mean, I used to deal with the same girls on the street and they were friends of mine. Yeah. I would stop and talk to them or maybe buy them something to eat or whatever. That's. They were human beings. Right. And, and lived in hotels and different stuff like that. But you, you, when you work the streets, you learn the streets. And the people unfortunately on the streets are the high risk victims. And these, this falls into the category. But what, what, why are they high risk victims? Because of the lifestyle that they're living. But what that does is they're not sitting in the middle of the church when the, this guy or anybody is circling around either looking to pick up a prostitute or sell drugs or kidnap and rape and murder. I mean, that's, that's the, you know when you say high risk victims is because they are in that situation in that area in that the lifestyle that 99.9 of the people are listening to this wouldn't put themselves in. Right. But doesn't make them less human. That's what people don't understand that they, they. She was a real person who loved grilled cheese and, and, and Mac and cheese. And Ms. Lim, I got a smile out of her finally. And you know, she lived her life. And. And she loved her mom and her mama loved her. Right, Right in Madison. I would wish more than anything for Lynn that you walk through the door. Lifers, we need your help. Y' all got to share this. Share, share, share. Sharing. SIPS313RLRC TIP. All right, where are we at? And we're going to end with this this week. Anything else you want to say about it?

[B]

Yes. While I'm thinking about it, I want to go back to when Thomas Morris told his first story. You know, he told the detective that my daughter left, took everything with her and left in an unidentified vehicle. He also said that he was at work when my daughter left, and it was before his children got home from school. My question to this story is he said none of his cameras was working, so how did he even know she left in an unidentified vehicle if the story. Story was true? The second story, three months later, he said that he was at work. My daughter left and left everything behind this time and left before his children got home. And I was just thinking, you know, he. He told us that the cameras wasn't working. So how did he even come up with the. The car deal? The unidentified vehicle?

[A]

Yeah. Well, one thing that never changes is the tree.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I mean, I don't think the detectives believe, unfortunately, I can't prove it one way or another, but I don't think they believe many more than you. Do. You ever know. Did you ever get any of her stuff back? No, but it was all there. And did a cost get it?

[B]

No.

[A]

So I'm sure that's in a donation pile somewhere also.

[B]

There's no telling where it's at.

[A]

Yeah. Right. And then.

[B]

And I also wanted to add, you know, you know, my daughter's phone was left behind. And I just want to add this because it kind of goes back to the time frame of when my daughter went missing. We was able to log into my daughter's Google photos, and the last selfie that she took was on November 28th of 2023. So, you know, I know my daughter was alive and well and healthy at that time. She has several pictures that throughout the month of November and in early November 29, a picture was posted that she took on the 28th to Facebook and changed her Facebook profile picture. But it wasn't her profile picture. It was a background picture, a picture that she posted, one of the three. But I just know that my daughter was alive and well and happy November 28th.

[A]

Right. Without a doubt. Because it's. It's time Stamped. You've got the records you Google doesn't get that or whomever it is that the photos with her, they don't get that wrong. And then. But there's a lot of stuff that happened with our phone afterwards and we'll get into that next week. The y' all you got just calling your tips. Listen to what you've heard today. Get fired up then it could have been you. It was. Had a flat tire and it could have been you that got picked up at the gas station or it could have been your sister or your mother or whatever, right? And the fortunately, unfortunately, fortunately by shining light on these cases, disappearances, attacks, assaults or batteries, whatever you want to call them, the if. If I'm guilty of anything and. And the lights being shown on me, I'm gonna back down, right? I'm gonna back down. I'm gonna get. If there's another girl in the house and drop her off at a store. I'm also going to quit cruising the same streets that I've been cruising where my hunting grounds, if you will. Where I get my victims from. But the beast, if I'm going off of FBI profile, y', all, the. The kind of beast that does this, they have to feed that need, right? And the. The masturbation or fantasy or whatever will only work for so long. There's a lot of psychological things that go into it and at some point it's going to raise its ugly head again whether they. You move away, you change your hunting grounds. Whatever you do when you think the heat's not on you, the beast is going to eat now and again. I don't know anything about this cat. I'm just talking in general about serial killers and people who serial thin and grow. They get smarter. You know, prisons are full of dummies. It's hard to catch a smart criminal. They get smarter as they're in. The crimes escalate as they go down the line. But thankfully, I would hope that not say anything about this dude in particular. But in a case like this, when the light starts to get shown, I hope that person goes into self preservation mode and they quit offending. At least until the people that are looking at them can bring enough evidence for it to get their ass off the street so they can't hurt anybody else or nobody else goes missing. Right.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I just. And we're done another hour. It's just like two minutes in it. You know the. But we're just getting started, y'. All. Hashtag what happened to Madison. All right. And Ms. Linda, you'll talk to these other people. Just reach out to them and. And just float it across the with the thing is, this is not about making money. I'm gonna get paid the same amount whether I do Madison story or I do Gabby Petito. Right. It doesn't matter. I have my sponsors the and they don't tell me what to do. The. The. The. The more information, the more personal faces we can put on these seven people thus far, the more personal faces and the not just statistics and not just people that were living the high risk lifestyles. They're human beings. The more we can do that, the more we start the pie. We got to start a pie haul. Share it, share it, share it. 3 1, 3RLRCTIP and hashtag what happened to Madison? You got anything else you want to say?

[B]

I would just like to ask everyone if anyone knows anything pertaining to my daughter or any of the individuals that we have spoken of to just please come forward. Contact Mr. Woody, let him know what you know.

[A]

That huge. And the thing is, I promise you, you go back and look at my other cases and I have. I have cases that I know who did X, Y and Z. And just because I. People have given me the information Anonymous that I've been able to verify, but this information they've given me, I can't bring it beyond a reasonable doubt. You might hear the birds in the background. It just quit raining. The. I can't bring it beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, the prosecutors, even though they know who did it, even though they could get an arrest warrant, they know that they can't prove it to a juror beyond a reasonable doubt. That's because I won't give my. My people and that kills me. But that I'm. I'm a believer that by keeping the pot stirred, it's going to come around another way. But thank you so much. That bird is loud. Yeah, it's almost dark. The. Thank you so much for taking your time and driving in over here again today. I know you're tired, you worked all day and. And all that, so. But you know, love you to death. And you keep pushing. We're going to keep pushing, y', all, but I really want to see. Now remember, this is going to be three weeks into it by the time you get this episode. I really want to see the push on social media. What happened to Madison? What happened to Madison? And then as the tips roll in, that's when I get to eat or I get to do what I do. All right. Which is not just podcasts. And that's the difference, right? Thank you so much for coming in and we love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Thank you for liking listening and sharing. Hashtag what happened to Madison? And I'm Woody Overton. You host a Real Life Real Crime the Podcast until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you down on murder by you. Peace. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a quarterly law. You got to write to an attorney prior to it during any question. If you can't afford one, the court will point one for you. Do you understand your rights?

[B]

And the wolf is at your home you running over that's for sure you already knows all about you

[A]

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[B]

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