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Now you better walk alive. Warning this episode of Real Life, Real Crime. The podcast may contain descriptions of acts of violence or that of a sexual nature and should be for people that are 8, 15 years or older. He my warning people, I do not get the facts of these cases off of the Internet or for some television show. The facts I'm retelling, you were presented to me by the victims of the crimes or the perpetrators who committed the crimes against the victims. My descriptions of the crime scenes, what I saw with my own two eyes. If you're gonna get offended, please turn this podcast off now. Thank you. Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of Real Life, Real Crime, the podcast. As always, I'm your host, Woody Overton. And today we are continuing Scorched the state versus Scott Peterson part, whatever it is. We're in the death penalty phase. Then these people, y'all, I don't get it. You hear me every week say this, and it just gets worse today with these witnesses that I'm going to read to you, their direct testimony blows my mind. And I get it. The defense is trying to make him look as human as possible. One of the lifers responded from California, and she was, you know, explained it, but I knew that I know what they're trying to do. But the people that they're putting up there, some of them barely even had contact with this dude in 20 plus years and had known him since he was a kid or whatever. It's just too much. And again, I just keep thinking if I was in that jury and I had heard all that he did with Amber Fry, and, you know, again seeing the autopsy photos and hearing how they were. Lacy and Connor were brutally murdered, I would want this motherfucker to burn, right? So I guess they are trying to bore him to death with these people. And like, some of the ones I'm reading y'all today are shorter, stupid, like his high school superintendent. What the fuck? And you. They're trying to say there's a reason to keep him alive, that he can thrive in prison. And he. He's a dude and never got mad and, you know, just did this. And he's got everything in him but the devil, right? And, well. Oh, let's talk about that real quick. He got his ass beat and I think I did a. I might have talked about on last week's show, but he got his ass beat in the snitches prison in California. They were on the yard and one dude just beat his ass and the correctional officers had to respond and use Mace basically or freeze plus P and spray them down and stuff like that and get them separated. And they both had minor injuries, but they somehow the news media gets a hold of this cat that beat Scott's ass and says, oh, did you do it because he's Scott Peterson? He was like, no, I didn't do it for that. And they said, why'd you do it? He said, God told me to whoop him. God told me to give that boy a beating. Right? However he phrased it. And so he did and he said, guess what? I'd do it again. And this is in the prison where they house all, you know, former law enforcement and priests and you know, snitches and high profile people that if they were in general population like Scott used to be in San Quentin naturally when he was on death row, right. They had killed his ass and they turned him out. They would do whatever. His charm will only get you so far. But I don't know, the defense team spared no expense when it comes to the actual putting. I don't even know how they found some of these fucking people, much less they they remember. But when you get started this time it's the infamous or famous, however you want to call them. Mark Garagos, the attorney is doing a direct examination ended of it's of a guy named Ronald Roger Rowe and this is on December 6th of 2004. So Garagos says thank you. Good morning Mr. Rowe, could you tell the jury obviously you are here for Scott's case and you know Scott Peterson, Howe Roe as a student in the district in which I I was a superintendent and principal for some 37 years. In six years before that as a teacher there in the same district, Garag guys and we called you up to tell the jury would you know about Scott back then when you were when he was in I guess grade school, is that correct? ROW that's correct. Grade 6, 7 and 8. Gargas how did you come to come to the location there and Rancho Santa Fe? Row it was my good fortune to be selected to be a teacher in the school district back in 1958. And I moved there following return to active duty in the Navy in 1961 and 62 to become a teaching principal. And in 1964 when my predecessor decided to return to university work, I was named the district superintendent. I came there following service as a teacher in Kansas City, Missouri for two years and in Coronado, California for one year. Gary Guys, when you had, when Scott came through the school. What grade you say was the first time you have some memory of him? Pariah. Grade six. Yeah, guys, grade six and that point, what was your position at the school? Right. I was a principal, superintendent. Here, guys, Would you say is this a what kind of school? Small, Large. Right. It was at the time a school of 400 plus students in a community, about 2500 individuals. It was a K through 8th school district, all in one campus. So Scott was a student on that same campus in the last year of elementary school, which is grade six, and the only two years of junior high school, grade seven and eight. Here, guys, when you. And you saved your yearbooks, I guess, throughout the years when you were teaching, is that correct? Right? For most of the years, yes. I believe you have pages from the yearbook of 1983 and 84 when Scott was a sixth grader. Yes. When I met with you this morning, you handed me. I made some copies, Judge. Mark those on the record. Garrus. Yeah, I'm going to. As soon as these two pages row. Yes. Gargoyles. Out of that yearbook. Row. Yes. This is a class picture here, guys. That would be D9N Dash 2, Judge. Okay, photo of the defendant row. Yes. In this picture, junior varsity football, the fall of 1983. And he is the third from the right, top row, next to Chris Love. Gary. Guys. Okay, that was D9 1. And been a number of years since you've seen Scott Peterson, is that correct? Right? That's correct. Yeah. Guys, you do have, as you sit here, you have a memory of him, bro. Yes. As a small school enrolling only 400 students, it was my privilege to have the opportunity to visit each classroom several times a week, in some cases almost daily. Gargoyles. And that's Scott, third from the right in the back row, right? That is correct. Garagos. And that was D9N1. And this is D9N2. That's Scott right there. Row. Yep, that's. That's correct. Okay, and your memory of Scott at that point was what, as what kind of student? Right. He was cooperative, industrious young man, fit in well with his classmates, cooperative with his teachers, dependable, bit quieter than many of his classmates, and in all regards, was a fine school citizen at those three grade levels. Grade 6, 7 and 8. Gary goes, how did you see him? Or did you notice how he interacted with others? Right. He fit in well with his students as the years went on. And there weren't that in grade six, seven and eight, he became particularly active in the golf program, which the course is adjacent to the school. And so I would notice that he and other youngsters from his class or grade level, actually, some of them were in the same grade level, different class. Well, together took off. Gary goes. Did you. Did you ever have any problems with him in any way, shape, or form? Row. I recall no problems. Garrigo's okay. Rock. None. Gargoyles, you had mentioned today that he was a little quieter than the others. Did you find that to be a problem? Right. I thought it was kind of a blessing at times. Gargoyles. And do you know why you're here today? Right. The jury is being asked by the prosecution to put Scott to death. Gary, guys, do you have an opinion as to whether or not that's something you would recommend to the jury? Right, that he'd be put to death here? Guys. Yes. Right. I couldn't recommend that. It certainly was nothing that would have been predicted at the time. He was a young man of 12, 13, and 14 years of age. I suppose it's a typical. It's typical of a small school district teacher or principal or superintendent to look for the. To find things from his or her students, to look at hope that each of their lives will be in accordance with the promise that they exhibit during those formative years. And certainly Scott was a young man in whom I had great confidence, and nothing that I could envision then or now would suggest to me that the death penalty is appropriate for him. Garagos. Thank you. I have no further questions. Wow. All right, y'all. I mean, really, these. I mean, how. I had a high school. There was 250 in the whole school, K through 12. And of course, the principal knew me because I was a badass. But yeah, if you got 2500 students and a couple grades, you're gonna tell me you just know Scott was special. The out of here. Okay, y'all. Continuing with the theme for today, we got defense attorney Mark Gerrigos is now going to interview a guy named Marvin Threat. T H R E A T T. I don't know how you say it. This is on December 6th, 2004, and he's Gergos says call you Dr. Threat because you have a PhD in education, correct? Threat. Yes. Gargoyles.
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Only in iOS mobile apps. See guaranteed details@turbotax.com guarantees can you tell me a little bit about your background? Threat born in Birmingham, Alabama. I joined the Navy at 18 years old and spent 22 years in the Navy. I'm a Vietnam veteran. I left the military and I became I began teaching. I finally retired from teaching. Gargas during the course of your career, at some point were you located down in San Diego and head of, you know, dean of students for a particular school? Threat From 1985 to 1992, I was a dean of students at the University of San Diego High School. That's where I knew Scott. There it goes. What did as dean of students, what is your job? My job as dean of students was to keep order and discipline on the campus. School was approximately 1500 students. My job was to make sure that everyone did what they were supposed to do. Gary Guys and you, you didn't teach school. You were basically in charge of law and order, Is that correct? Correct. I taught for one semester and they made me vice principal after the first semester. So only taught very briefly. Gary goes. Scott was a student when you were there? Threat yes. Gary Guys and you left shortly after he graduated, is that correct? Threat I left in 1992, yes. Gary Guys during the three years that he attended high school, you were the dean of students, is that correct? Threat Yep. Garagaise, you remember him from when he was there? All right, I remember him in passing as dean of Students. Did not necessarily. They didn't necessarily come to talk to me or to have coffee with me, but my job was to stand in the middle of the school to make sure everyone knew that I was there. And in that process, I saw him passing many times. I saw him freakily during the school year. Yes. All right, guys, if he had been in trouble or troublemaker, things like that, would it have been more likely that you would have encountered him? Right. That is the most significant thing. The fact is, during his junior year, I don't remember him at all. In his senior year, I do remember him quite well. If there had been any problems, he would have been in my office. The factor that I can't say most significant, the whole time that I was there, he was never in my office for any disciplinary purposes. There it goes. You know a nun by the name of Sister Joan, right? Yeah. She was in charge of the Christian service project there. Here, guys. Okay. As part of the Christian service project, did that entail going to work at the orphanages in Tijuana? Threat. Exactly. Here, guys, Things like Habitat for Humanity and such kind of charitable endeavors. Threat. Exactly. Care guys, in talking with you, you are aware that Scott participated in those activities? All right, Yeah. I knew at the school, we gave the students time to go do the Christian service during the school day. It was significant that in that time, many students would not come back to school on time. They would leave at maybe 10 o'clock in the morning and required to be back at 1:00. Many students would come back late. But the things I recall mostly about Scott is that he did always come back on time. He was never late. He was punctual, he was reliable. He was responsible. Yes. Gary goes. Would that. Would that require, at that point, high schoolers actually crossing the border to go over to Mexico? Threat Actually, yeah. Went into Tijuana and they would spend maybe four or five hours there. In addition to that, Scott not only worked with the orphans in Tijuana, he worked locally with the mental retarded and the beach communities in San Diego on his own time, beyond the allotted hours in Tijuana. Care guys, is that a home or residential area for the threat mental retarded? I think they were young children who needed help. And I think that as Scott on the weekends would spend time helping them after he had finished the schoolwork and done his Christian service hours in Tijuana. Now, to graduate from the school, every student was required to do 100 hours of Christian service. So he did his Christian service hours in Tijuana and he would do his own volunteering outside of there in San Diego. Gary Goes, is that one of the reasons that you have a memory of him? Threat yes. Here. Guys, did you, during the time that you were there, was Sister Joan, the nun, particularly close with Scott that you were aware of? Right, exactly. I think he worked very closely in the Christian Service Project, and she was the director of the project, the Christian Service program, as well as the athletic program. The attendance programs were supervised under my office. That's why I knew her and knew of him. Sister Joan knew him quite well because she saw him in that capacity more readily than anybody else. I think Gary goes, was the other person that you could say that he was closest to. You mentioned that you supervised. I guess he kind of held the title athletic director. Threat yes. Garagos the other person that spent the most time with him, at least an authority figure, would have been David Thoni's threat, His golf coach. Yes. Garrigos. Thank you. I have no further questions. Holy y'all. I mean, come on, man. Ah, scorch. Score, score, score, score. I don't get it. But continuing, let's go to David Theones. It's T H O E N N E S. I don't know how to say that. It's definitely not a Louisiana name, but Garagos calls him to the stand and it's again, it's on December 6th, death penalty phase, and he's doing the direct examination. I'm, I'm just going to call him David because I can't say his last name. So he gets on the stand, Gargoyle says, good morning, Mr. David. David Good morning, gargoyles. You, as Dr. Threat just mentioned, you are a coach and teacher at uniha. They correct. Gary Guys. And my understanding that is that you taught there as well in world history, is that right? David yes. Yeah. Guys. And computer and typing. David Correct. How did you come to Uni High to teach at Uni High? David I was released from active duty in the Navy as a lieutenant in 1964. It's hard to find a job teaching in November, but I went up to the uni to see if maybe they needed substitute teachers or anything, and was hired and began in late November of 1964. Gary guys, did you start as a teacher there or as a coach? David As a teacher. As a teacher. At some point they appointed or anointed you basketball coach for JV Basketball. DAVID I was freshman in junior varsity basketball coach for eight or Nine years. At some point, did you become coach of the golf team as well? DAVID Meow. The golf in 1967, the golf coach retired or resigned and I was appointed golf coach at that point. Care, guys, at that point, had you ever golfed yourself? DAVID Very little. GARY Guys, did you end up having to teach yourself how to golf in order to become a golf coach? DAVID yes. You also just recently had heart surgery, is that correct? DAVID Correct. Six weeks ago, yeah. GUYS and you decided to come up anyway, is that correct? You wanted to testify? DAVID yeah. I felt that I owed Scott's parents and Scott GARGAS okay. Do you, do you remember when you first met Scott? DAVID I never had Scott in a class, but our first contact was when he tried out for the golf team his freshman year. GARGAS okay, when he tried out for the golf team his freshman year, did he make it? DAVID yes. GARRIGA Were you struck or what were your first impressions of him? DAVID I don't remember a whole lot about his freshman year. I know that he played in a few matches his freshman year from his sophomore year on. He was junior and senior and he was a starter and most valued player in his junior and senior year here. Guys, at some point on that team, I know you've been modest about it when I talk to you, that team, during those four years that he was on the team, it produced quite some good golfers, did it not? Name it. In fact, there is, yeah. I had three Southern California state champions in the girls division is Christy Er in the girls division, Phil Mickelson and Manny Zerma in the boys division. Garrigas. Some of those went on to the and still do play professionally, correct? DAVID yes. Here, guys, I asked you yesterday because I was candid with you. I don't play golf, but I have often heard to some degree you can. I mean, if you play a lot with somebody, you could tell several things about people's character, the personality trait. Would you agree with that? Nail it. I agree wholeheartedly with that, yeah. Guys, would you say that you spent a considerable amount of time with Scott Peterson over those years, that you were his coach? DAVID during the golf season, definitely also got to know Lee Peterson pretty well. He would. Before Scott was able to drive, Lee was always down there to pick him up. He came early. And Lee and I played together quite a bit during that time. Also, Scott and his mom and dad were gracious enough to invite me out to their club to play on several occasions. So I got to know all of them pretty well and I think I am able to judge character pretty much the Scott, Gary Guys, could I ask you when you saw him and I guess the best way you at some point instituted during that four years when he was there, naming a captain of the team, Is that correct? DAVID it's correct here, guys. Who was the first captain you ever named? DAVID Scott Gargis. You were the one who appointed him captain? DAVID yes. Garagos why was that? DAVID well, our campus was very close to the course that we played, Stardust Country Club, and the students would be let out early to get down and warm up before match. And in the well, I normally stayed until the end of school. By the time I got down to the course, the other team had arrived. Scott kind of took it on his own to kind of get the guys organized and, you know, get things done. So when I got there, there wasn't a lot of responsibility that I had. Scott kind of taking care of everything. You know, guys did the I mean, you would see him, you would see him play with either or coach him, all the interaction. Did you ever, what kind of impression did you have of him? DAVID Scott was an excellent player, I guess. Number one, I never saw Scott lose his temperature. A golfer with a tendency to hit a bad shot, and that's when their real personality starts to come out. Scott was able to, I mean, if he hit a bad shot, he went on, played the next one. He accepted responsibility for what he had done and he continued on here. Guys. Did he show you respect? DAVID Absolutely. Gary goes, in what kind of ways? DAVID Respect is kind of a hard thing to define. Scott gave his respect to anyone. We played in a league with a lot of inner city schools, and some of the players that Scott had to play against were really poor players. Scott was shooting in the 30s, they would be shooting in the 60s. You can become very impatient in a situation like that. I never saw any impatience out of Scott. I never saw him throw a club or yell or scream. Garrigos would he become when you say he wouldn't be impartial, would he go out of his way to do positive things with these kids who may not have been as skilled as he was, teach them anything, things of that nature? DAVID More so with his teammates, helping them on the driving range and on the putting green and those types of things? CARRIGUS did you see him interact with his parents as well? DAVID yes. Yeah. Guys. And can you tell me, was he respectful or devoted to them? I would say he was devoted to them. A lot of kids would go out on the weekends, on their own. SCOTT he played golf with his parents. Very devoted. GARAGOS I asked you yesterday about, I assume you have seen and coached over the year. How many, how many years were you there? Name it. I was at the University of San Diego high school for 39 years. I coached for 32 years on the golf team here. Guys, do you mentally at least put down on paper somewhere, at least in your brain, your kind of top 10 students or players of your career? DAVID yeah, I established what I call my all star team, and Scott is on that all star team, still is. After 32 years of coaching with an average of 14 kids on a team, I don't know what that comes out to, but Scott is in the top 10 of those. And not only does your score count to get into that, but your attitude toward the team and your assistance to the team, just your overall personality. Gary goes, I assume that he made your all star team. Yes. Gary goes well before any of this happened, is that correct? DAVID yes, There goes. If I were to ask you, is he also in your top 10 now, withstanding his aptitude for golf or ability to play golf, just in terms of what kind of young man he was, would he also make the top 10? David Absolutely. Gary Guys, you know, you are here today, you know why we're here today. And I assume that you perceive some great promise in Scott as his coach. DAVID yeah, he's one of the finest young men that I coach and I knew he would be a success in whatever he did. GARAGOS Is it, has it caused you great pain, what's happened here? DAVID yes, it's unbelievable to me. GARAGAISE why is that? DAVID I just can't imagine anything like this from the young man that I knew. GARY Guys, the jury has been is being asked to put him to death. Do you have a reaction to that? Name it. I'm definitely against it. GARY Guys, thank you. I have no further questions. Oh my God, Are you kidding me? Okay, he's on the all star team now, y'all. He's a such a wonderful person and just couldn't have cut his own flesh and blood out of his wife's stomach and threw him in the water like trash. But continuing on, try to get another one out of the way. And it's our Mr. Mark Garagos again. And the witness is Charles P. Courtney. This on December 6, 2004. Garagas Good morning, Mr. Courtney. Courtney Good morning, Gary Guys, you described yourself as an, I guess, a golf pro to me this morning. When I was talking to you, is that right? At Ritual we know what goes into the holiday season, the potluck planning, the gift giving, the spreadsheets. So this new year, take a moment.
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Courtney that's correct. That's my title these days. Here guys. You had worked at a club. What was the name of the club? Courtney the Rancho Santa Fe Golf Club here guys for how long? Courtney I started there in June 1st of 1983 until I was the head professional slash director of golf until July 1st of this year, at which time I became the professional emeritus at the club. GARY Guys in that role, did you have people who work for you at the club? HORNY I did, lots of them, lots of young people. GARRIGUS do you have generally, do you have a policy against hiring members kids? COURTNEY well, there's nothing official, but I had some sort of mental stop when it came to hiring our members children or the kids from the community. Gary goes There's a reason for that. COURTNEY well, they're precocious young people and we're not some of them precocious. Very bright as a group, but unreliable and a little bit, if you will, flaky from time to time. And so I was just very reluctant to hire the local kids. I usually got some kids from Solano beach or Del Mar, hopefully closer in areas. But our Rancho kids, by and large, I've only had a couple of them work for me over all these years that were worth a darn, frankly, here it goes. Scott Peterson was one of those. Courtney Absolutely. Scott was one of them. He was a terrific young employee for us and member in general. Yeah. GARY goes how long? I know it's been a number of years. Courtney it has been GARIUS how long did you estimate he worked for you accordingly? I can't be sure. And seeing how I'm not an employer anymore, my situation changed a little bit. The club took over all employees some years ago, you know, in the late 90s. So eventually I, through all my employment, put away the employment records. So I can't, I can't recall exactly when Scott was my employee or how long, but I'm quite Sure. It was more than a year and probably two years. Just not sure care, guys. Okay, during that time, did you interact with him on a daily or three or four times a week basis? Courtney yeah, as he was, of course, a member, a son of a family that was a member of the club and also as an employee. And Scott was always very reliable and from the standpoint of being a member and following the rules and being just a great kid, and he was a very reliable employee as well. Yeah. Guys, what kind of things would you have him do? Courtney Well, I mean, his main job was to pick up the golf balls on the driving range, which is like the bottom end of the pool. It sometimes can be dangerous, boring, cold. You have to go out there in the evening, so on. I remember one specifically time that our equipment had tended to not be the finest or the best. And our picker power pack has a cage on it, which the drive, you know, driver stays inside. So when he's picking up the balls, he doesn't get hit with any other other golf balls. And guess what? The picker broke down. And I kind of demanded of Scott, I don't think I would do that today, but I did that. I demanded of Scott go out and pick up the balls, put a hard hat on and pick up the balls right around in another unit. He objected, as anybody should have. He did it, I wouldn't say with a smile on his face necessarily. Just a great kid to have around the place and to have, you know, reliable. Gary goes, did you ever see him, anything in him that would indicate to you that he'd be sitting here today dealing with this? COURTNEY Nothing in my recollection that could you. I mean, you can't reconcile what's happened with what I knew about him as a young man. He was just outstanding with his family and as an employee, as a club member, no problem. It's shocking there, guys. I gather, just from knowing you the last day or so, pretty good sense of humor and can rip at people a little bit. Did you, did you used to do this with your employees and particularly Scott? Courtney not so much about his behavior as a performance as an employee, but Scott had a little technical thing. I'm sure he can remember this. Our golf shop was right behind the first tee in those days, so the staff could stand right there in the window and watch as he was going to go out and play with Jackie and Lee in the afternoon. And particularly, and in particular as a younger golfer, he had this. It's technical. It would probably wouldn't probably Mean anything to the court or the jury. He had a tendency because of the way he did his golf swing. His ball would just go off to the right, go off the right into the rough. He did that for a year or two. As staff, I was always interested in him doing better. I tried to get him to adjust his grip so he didn't hit that slice. I always try to tell him, scott, you gotta quit hitting that slice and hit a hard hook. It took ribbing. We got him to do that. It took a little ribbing. I could be a little tough on him. He didn't mind. We finally got it done, and as court has heard, he turned into a pretty darn good little player. Gary. Guys, did you ever have the Going back to what I've asked you before, not hiring members, the members, kids, or not wanting to. I assume there were some, I guess, stereotype come from privilege, that the kids of privilege generally have an attitude or a snobbery about them. Did you ever see that with Scott? Courtney? Never. Okay, guys, how would you characterize his personality? Courtney? Easy to be around, quiet. Somebody else mentioned earlier, very responsive and respectful of the staff. I say that because I can contrast it against some of our other precocious young people we've had in the community. I'm not saying they're bad kids, but they do come from some privilege and maybe wear it on their sleeve once in a while. Not so with Scott. Just a great young man to be around. Yeah. Guys, do you have and you've heard me ask the questions of others. The jury is being asked to put Scott to death. Do you have an opinion on that? Courtney? Well, based on my experience with him, I don't think that should be so at all. Gargas. Reason for that? Courtney? Well, just as such a fine young man that all the few years from about 84 until about 1990, when I knew him, I just. This whole thing is inconceivable to me that this could be happening. That's almost about only thing I could say. Mr. Gear goes, yeah, guys, thank you. I appreciate you making the trip. Mr. Courtney. What the. Y'all come on. He. I mean, he doesn't even remember. I mean, he remembers him teeing off and. And slicing it. He remembers sending him out to pick up golf balls with a hard hat on one day and not the cage because the machine broke down. But at least this dude's. At least he tried to be a little bit honest and keep it in the context of it. Look, I knew for about a year, and, no, he Wasn't a snob. And yeah, he worked for me and he was pleasant to be around. Who in the will they put on the stand next? Right. I, you know, I don't get it. I'm never going to get it. And it's going to continue. At this point, it's almost comical, except for I truly believe this is why Scott got sentenced to the death penalty. And while we're talking about this case to this day, I mean, like, if you're on the defense and everybody that I read today to you, the testimony, they're all ex Navy. I get that. So that's a card they're trying to play. Respect for the military, from the principal to the golf coach to the guy that ran the golf course and what the. Whatever. All ex military, retired military teachers. Okay, great. Sister Joan comes up again. Holy smokes. I don't know she's going to show up in the courtroom. I imagine she's dead by this point, but holy smokes, him. And she and Scott were like, super tight. And that makes a difference of him murdering Lacey and Connor. Not, you know, I don't know. I don't. I don't get it. I didn't. It's scorched. And this as. As it goes on, it's just stupider, stupider, stupider. And I. His ass would definitely be going to San Quentin now when we get done. I, I mean, you've heard me say it on the other episodes. They definitely, the prosecution definitely scorched this case. And there, if I was on the jury up until this point, I don't know, because they found him guilty. But I had a real fucking hard time with some of the shit that they did not do in this case. And I've told you about it already, but I'll summarize it all up for you in the end. And you know what? A DNA test is still out there. And again, they better pray to God that it comes back to Scott Peterson. When I say they, I mean the prosecution better pray to God that it comes back to Scott Peterson and not some other sex offender or one of those dudes that was committing the burglary on the house or anybody else that they didn't investigate because they scorched the case. So I'm ended for this week, y'all. I only impressing this upon you about the tickets for the live show on July 19, because I know they're going to sell out, if they haven't already sold out, because I'm recording this early. And every time we do a Live show and it sells out the people. And we say sold out. Then people are like, oh, but I wanted to get a ticket. And a lot of my best people right, like this show. I'm very, very thankful if their health continues. My mom and daddy are actually come see the show, which they never got to see me do one. And you know the tickets are going to be gone and I don't want you to miss out if so if you want to come see it, it's going to be a great time. Roller unscripted. And yes, I'm going to curse in front of my mama, tell the all the dirty deeds of the stories that I need to tell and. But it's gonna be a great time and we're gonna be there, you know, for the weekend, hanging out, doing, doing stuff. The VIP afterwards. First drinks on me. So y'all hit the link. Get your tickets in Lopa, Louisiana, Organ Procurement Agency. As always, it's my jam. And as of this time, April 8th, I'm still supposed to Celebrity Bar 10 with Kevin Koolaid Gary, chief of detectives from East Feliciana at the Walk On Bistro, and Zachary. I think it's April that I think it's April 8th. Whatever day I said in the past, but I'll let you know. But anybody that comes in and I serve you drink, whatever tip you leave me is going straight to Lopa. Okay? And Lopa will have a booth there and they'll help people get signed up as organ donors that day. Yeah. So very important. I mean, again, it's like being a true crime fan and knowing what a murder is is one thing. If you're going to a murder like Ms. Barbara and Haley's case or Ms. Stephanie and Courtney's case or Mary pushes family or Ms. Bar Barbara blind people, sister in them. You know, wondering to this day what happened to her. When you're going through it, it's a different thing. I have met both sides. I have broke bread with both sides of people who were the heroes. Their family members gave up their organs. And I've met the people who have received the organs in our life today because of the hero. Lopa is a non profit and they help people get signed up and they help these families through the transitions. You don't have to be a lifer from Louisiana. You could be a lifer from ICELAND. Go to lopa.org, fill out the questionnaire, become a hero, give the Gift of life site and all the rest of the stuff that they do. And I'm Woody Overseen, your host of real life. Real Crown the podcast until next time or ever. Don't let me catch you. Known murder by you. Peace yeah the rights remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law. You gotta write to an attorney prior to it during any question. If you can't afford one, the court will want one for you. Do you understand your rights?
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