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True Crime Time For April 22, 2025 | #JusticeForHailey, Feral Hogs, and Community Crime Stories
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Kristen Bell
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Dax Shepard
Did you know about this?
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Cindy Overton
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Kristen Bell
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Dax Shepard
You say a week of terrain tests?
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Cindy Overton
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Dax Shepard
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Kristen Bell
Make sure all the kids stuff fits nicely.
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Dax Shepard
Make sure our stuff fits nicely.
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Cindy Overton
Oh the right. Still need to buy the car.
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Dax Shepard
Get. Getting ahead of ourselves here.
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Kristen Bell
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Woody Overton
Hey lifers, it's Woody Overton, your host of Real Life Real Crown, the podcast. This week's gonna be a little bit different. You know, it's Easter Sunday when I'm recording this but. And I haven't shared this the pro about the last seven years been dealing with dementia with my father and now it's the home, it's the end times and he's home on hospice and you know, it's the very, very, very end. So what I, I've been with my daddy every day even though he doesn't know anything or whatever, but I've been with him every day just giving them all the love that I can. And so I'm not going to be recording regular episodes and because for obvious reasons and so that's why they did the post about y'all if you want to call in stories or whatever. But this week might just be old real life, real crimes or what have you. And you know, my family's a, is, is a very private family, my mom and everybody. But I'm, I'm there. I'm here with my dad and with my mom and you know, family's important. Love the people that you got and yeah, I'm, I'm blessed. I know my daddy's become my best friend in the last 20 years and anyway, I love y'all. Bear with us. We're gonna do whatever we're gonna do about the episodes this week and, and life is of the best in the world. I love and appreciate each and every one of you. None of us are getting out of this game alive, obviously. And I'm blessed to have the ability and the time to lay in the bed with my father on these last hours. So the. I hope y'all have a good week and I will post when he goes to Jesus and you know, we'll keep you all updated. I know your thoughts and prayers and everything and I got same thoughts and prayers for everybody out there. I love y'all and I hope you know that everybody is being blessed and I'm Woody Overton, you Host Real life, Real crown, the podcast and True Crime for daily. And you know, I love y'all. Hashtag justice for Haley. As always, please on Monday, continue the calls and emails. Yes, we have very, very pos traction in the right direction, but nothing exceeds like excess. Please continue to do it and let's get Ms. Barbara and them some justice. And I'll holler at y'all later. Peace.
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Kristen Bell
Hello, everybody, and welcome to True crime time for Tuesday, April 22, 2025. And I am Cindy Overton, and Woody isn't with us today. He is going to record something to share and release as soon as he can. I ask for continued prayers for the Overton family. Woody wants me to thank everybody for the prayers and the positive thoughts and wants me to let y'all know he will be back as soon as he can, and he will definitely share the experience as soon as he can. But I have some really good news, which is that we have our first lifer story today, and it's a story, a personal story from P.T. allen in Georgia, and he tells a really good feral hog story. So I cannot wait for you to hear it. I just want to remind everybody about justice for Haley before I plug in his story. I want to remind everybody that we are in a war. Right? Justice for Haley. We have got to fight this war. The war is not over. We have spent months getting all of our planning done. We're getting organized. We're gathering all of our ammo, we're digging foxholes, all that we needed to get done to prep for war. And then when we did, our call to action, shots were fired. Right? And people followed through. Each shot you fired across was an email, was a phone call, and we won that battle because the D. A. Reached out and said that they have assigned their lead investigator to Haley's case. So first battle was won. But that doesn't mean the war is over. The war's not over until we get a grand jury for Brooks Cleary for the murder of Haley Johnson. That's when. That's not even when the war is over. That will be like, one of the final battles. Then we have court. But right now, we're taking it one battle at a time. So we have the lead investigator assigned. What we don't want is them to think that we are backing off. We don't want anyone to think that we are now okay with wiping our hands of it. Right. You. We have an investigator. We're good. Bye. Bye. That's not how this goes. We have to still continue to write to call, to find new ways of getting the attention. We have to do everything that we can think outside the box to make sure that the information gets to the powers that be so they don't forget, so they realize that. That we are not going away until we get justice for Haley, whatever that may be. So in Courtney Coco's case, Woody went. They did a march, like with, you know, whatever we. We. The. My point is, this isn't over. Please do not stop sending in the emails. Please post the emails, because first of all, I love reading, or we all, as a community, love reading what the emails say. If you didn't use the template, which thank you to our lifer that created the first template. I had not thought of that. So I'm so sorry that I cannot think of your name at this time. My brain's a little frazzled right now, so. But I thank you so much because that enabled me to use it to attach it to our contact hub. And I created another one. So. So you can use that too. You can use those. But when we see an email, then it's a reminder. Oh, I need to go and do that, too. Oh, I. That. I'm so glad that they did that. Oh, they said this. I want to say this too. Whatever it may be, post it. We are a community. We stand strong. Just because you did not get an episode of justice for Haley last Friday doesn't mean that Woody Overton has wiped his hands. I told the story. Now we're done. That's not how this goes. So I just want to make that abundantly clear. With that being said, I also want to remind everybody about the live event on July 19. The Ticket links are in the show notes. If you do not feel like going into the show notes, I made some easy links. So you just type in Bitcoin.ly RLRC VIP. Obviously, that's for our VIP ticket and then for the general admission ticket, it is bit LY RLRC General G E N E R A L so just go get your tickets, join us. I promise you, if you have spoken to anyone that has been to any of our live events, you will want to be there. So if you have gone, oh, this is a good idea. If you have come to a live event, go to our app, go to Facebook and maybe post a picture from the live event and post your experience from the event and share it. Because we haven't had a live event in a long time, so it's not easy to scroll back and look for. I think you could Do a search in the crew page and find something. But I think it's really cool when lifers get on and they share their experiences. Everyone has a unique experience. The people that stay in the hotel with us have some amazing experiences because they, Woody is down there with them until the wee hours of the morning and it's so much fun, so relaxed. People are eating pizza. It's a really like a get to know you time, drinking their drinks and just so much fun. And then at on the actual stage, if you have never seen Woody live, he just completely just turns on. I don't know how to say it. He just, it's an amazing thing to see, to be quite honest. So you don't want to miss that. And I feel like there's something else that I need to be saying. So without further ado, thank you so much from the bottom of my heart for taking time out of your your Easter Sunday or in general to tell us your story. I think lifers are going to enjoy it. Want more. If you have more and you want to send them, please feel free to and anyone else that wants to share stories after hearing pt please do. That's what this is all about. I'm going to Also add after PT story a little 1 minute short story from the anonymous person. This is the anonymous person's father that is talking in this story. So I'm going to release that. Here are the stories.
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Dax Shepard
Hello, I am P.T. allen and I'd like to tell you a story. If you are thin skinned, I am not your guy. Go ahead and advance to the next podcast. I was a local police officer. I kind of got into it by accident. I went to work for my father in law and what I didn't realize is that if you go to work for your father in law and your wife decides she wants to be married to somebody richer than you, well, you're unemployed. So I became unemployed and I had been working with some local police officers, teaching them some hand to hand combat techniques, some firearms techniques that I'd learned in the military. I was a US Navy combat corpsman. I was attached to the Marines. So think of it as your paramedic with a machine gun. So I learned a lot. I went to work for this police department in a very small town in middle Georgia and I'll tell you how many officers we had. My badge number was 18. Yeah, if you got two digit badge numbers, there's not very many officers on the force. My first partner in law enforcement was the biggest, toughest redneck. You'll Ever meet in your life? His name was Lincoln. He was named Lincoln by his parents because that's where he was conceived. Not in Lincoln, New York, not in Lincoln, Kansas, not in Lincoln, Massachusetts, not in Lincoln, Nebraska, in the back seat of a Lincoln. And his parents were proud. So part of my job apparently was taking care of Lincoln, making sure that he paid his bills on time, his child support and all of his household bills. And here's the funny one. I kept track of when Lincoln's electricity bill was due. And one Friday afternoon I told him, Lincoln, if you don't pay your electric bill by 5 o'clock today, they're going to shut your lights off. He replied, fuck them. I'll just sit there and watch TV in the dark. I wish I was joking. So Lincoln, God bless him, was 6ft tall, about 245 pounds. And although he had a belly strong as an ox, on his left forearm he had a huge Confederate flag and he refused to wear a long sleeve shirt even in the dead of winter. Lincoln was not a racist. He loved everybody and took great care of everybody, of all ethnicities. And I admire that. He is the one who taught me to go check on the people in the low income minority neighborhoods and check to make sure the elderly had food and their electricity was on and they had medicine. And for a mentally ill person, it was our job to make sure he went and took a shower a couple of times a week and make sure he had electricity. One of the people that Lincoln and I checked on regularly, believe it or not, was Michael Jackson. No relation to the celebrity Lincoln. I would check on him because if we didn't, he would not take a shower for a month. Really nice guy when he was on his medication. But Lincoln and I made sure he stayed on it.
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Cindy Overton
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Dax Shepard
There were even times when Lincoln and I would check on the elderly. And if they were short of groceries, medicine, short on their electric bill, Lincoln, I would help them out of our own pockets. This guy, even though he wore a mullet and had a confederate tattoo, was a really good guy. So I tell you that to tell you this. We had a recurring hog problem at the south end of Martin Luther King Boulevard. Now you can imagine the ethnicity of the people who live on Martin Luther King Boulevard. These are minority, low income folks, most of them retired, most of them living on Social Security. They supplemented their income by growing gardens. They would can those vegetables and save them, freeze them, and that was their food source. To supplement their income, there was a pack of feral hogs that would cross over a roadway through a triangular divider in the roadways, another roadway, and come up and eat all the vegetables out of their garden. This was detrimental to the people in that area and that was costing them food that was important. I'm not going to say our chief of police was a racist, but unless you were wealthy and white, you didn't get preferential treatment when it came to the other ethnicities that lived on Martin Luther King Boulevard. He just really didn't care. The residents complained and complained to the chief of police. Do something. Do something. They called the department of Natural Resources, the sheriff's office, the sheriff, the chief. And nobody cared until enough of them called a city council member. The city council member instructed the chief of police to handle it. And I'm going to put that in quotes. If you tell me to handle something, I'm going to handle it. So the chief called Lincoln and I, this big tough redneck in and told us to handle it. We devised a plan. I went out during daylight hours and I walked the path that the hogs were traveling. They go from a wooded area through an industry and cross one roadway, go through a triangular divider, which it was all wooded, and cross over that and go into Martin Luther King Boulevard. So the track was easy to find. I spent three years with 1st Battalion, 1st Marines, United States Marine Corps, so I know how to follow tracking, tracking. Keep in mind this was in the early 1990s. I was considered a competent gunsmith in those days. I assembled a 5.56 caliber self loading rifle with an Evolution gunworks, cryogenically treated barrel, a free floating handguard, a custom jarred trigger which I tuned beautifully and a tritium powered sight made by Trijicon. So I was ready to shoot something at night. And hogs were the perfect target. So I, I staged up and in law enforcement talk, staging up means we put ourselves in positions that are tactically advantageous. I climbed up on the top of a Silo of an industry about 50ft off the ground. I had with me a 110 volt 50,000 lumen construction light which I had used in my prior construction career. This thing was massive and it would light up the very bowels of hell. So Lincoln positioned himself in that little triangle of a wooded area between two roadways. Here's my plan. At 2 o'clock in the morning, I was sitting up on top of that silo and when the I could hear the hogs coming through, I was going to step on the on switch of that construction light, light up the entire world and I'd fire and knock off the last three or four hogs in the line. That would drive them towards Lincoln. Lincoln would fire upon the hogs, drive them back towards me and I would eliminate the rest. Sounds like a good plan. This was the middle of February. It was freezing cold. I know the news said it was only 20 degrees, but with the wind chill factor and lack of heavy clothing because I was in uniform, it felt one hell of a lot colder. So here come the hogs. I'm sitting there in the dark shivering, and I hear them tromping around. And when I think they're almost past me, I stomp on the switch to turn on that construction light and the entire world turns daylight bright. And I fire. I think I hit three, maybe four. And that drives them towards Lincoln. And Lincoln has a 22 Magnum Ruger 1022 with a 30 round magazine. And what I hear is bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. Click. And some more hogs run back towards me. And I fire a couple more times, get a couple more, no big deal. So we have a channel on our police radio which is called Talk around that is unavailable to citizens. That is our secret channel where we can talk about things that. Hey, where you want to eat? Oh, did you see that new nurse at the emergency room? Sorry honey, my wife. Such things as that. So I key up on the Talk around channel. I say, hey Link, I got five. How many did you get? And Lincoln replies, I gut shot that black son of a. He's going to run off into the woods and die. I'll find his body in the morning. Now I thought nothing about this. It's no big deal. So Lincoln loaded up all the bodies of the hogs into his the trunk of his patrol car, took him home on city time and field, dressed those hogs and put them in his freezer. So Lincoln and I parted ways. At 6am our shift was over. At 9:30am my phone began ringing off the hook. It was the chief of police calling me, demanding that Lincoln and I return to the police department, what we call 1018 in Georgia, which is as fast as possible. I had no idea what was going on. But Lincoln did not have a home phone. Remember, he doesn't pay his bills. His phone has been disconnected. So I have to drive to Lincoln's house, beat on the door, and wake him up. Lincoln comes to the door with his mullet, his Confederate flag tattoo, his wife beater T shirt, wearing a pair of Tabasco sauce boxer shorts. And there's about 2 inches of Lincoln hanging out beneath the Tabasco sauce boxer shorts. Lincoln, I liked you before this point. I freaking hate you now. I'm jealous and I'm man enough to admit it. Lincoln got dressed and we went back to the police department. Yes. So I had to take a break. Family calls. This is Easter Sunday. Happy Easter, everyone. So I had to go pick Lincoln up. And I'm in my little junky 1992 Isuzu pickup truck. This thing was interesting. Manual transmission, no air conditioner, no power steering. So I had to go pick Lincoln up because of course, if he can't afford to pay his phone bill, he can't afford a car payment either. And we went down to the police department to see the chief. There is a mass of people marching in front of the police department. They are singing we shall Overcome, and they are carrying signs that say, stop police violence. When Lincoln said over the radio, I gut shot that black son of a. He's gonna run into the woods and bleed out. We'll find his body tomorrow. Apparently, everybody on Martin Luther King had access to that frequency, which neither I nor Lincoln knew. So they've got Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton notified. We've got the entire three surrounding counties of NAACP and Southern Christian Leadership Conference marching out in front of the police department protesting because my partner gut shot a black son of a bitch. They did not realize it was a hog. Well, Lincoln and I had to jump back into my little crappy 1992 Isuzu pickup, drive back to his home, back to his freezer, get one of the hogs that he had field dressed, take it back and show it to them to show everybody that this is the black son of a bitch that Lincoln gut shot. Yes, feral hogs turn black. And they are mean, they are evil, they are dangerous, and they tear up poor People's gardens. I thought we were doing a good thing and it all went south.
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P.T. Allen
Catch a ride yarded armor and check my guns in and through the river. They jumped in that old four wheel drive dodge, went throw their stuff at the armor and run off and left. I said okay, so I got me a ride. Anyway, some more people come from Camp C. They picked me up. I went turn my stuff in at army. We rode to the river and guess who was at the river. Donald Gagnard and Pie Face Boy. I was mad and I kept my gun belt with me and I went up there and asked them what was their motive about leaving me, you know, y'all missed the fear. Anyway, they went to running ahead like a pair of coon asses, you know.
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Kristen Bell
Yeah.
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P.T. Allen
I couldn't take no whole lot of it. And I started on Donald Gagnard's head. Cause he's the best one out of the bunch. I worked him over. I egg shaped the ring on my hand and my hand was burning so bad Tie Face, he come up and got me in the car in the back. When he turned around, I hit him backhanded and I took my gun belt and I whipped him with it. And I, you know, I ain't had nothing for them two boys. Ain't nobody like darling Gagnard to start with.
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Kristen Bell
All right, y'all, so you've now heard Pet's story. I think he did a really good job of explaining things and describing and I could actually picture everything that he was saying. I thought he did an amazing, amazing job. And I hope you did too. Please again, feel free to send in your stories to Cindy. RealLifeRealCrime.com c y n d I@realliferealcrime.com and thank you for listening to today's show. I know that it is short. I thank you for your patience during this time. Please continue to send prayers, positive thoughts, all the goodness to the Overton family. And we just thank you so much for being the lifers that you are. And we will have an episode tomorrow. It will probably be an old school episode. Jenny Wyatt, which is one of the original the OG Lifers, she recommended that we post some original Woody stories from way back in the day for our new lifers that maybe didn't start at the beginning. And so I think that I'm going to possibly do that or. Well, I definitely am going to do that for the next couple of days. If I get other life or stories, I definitely will compose them and put them in an episode. But at this moment I don't think that that's going to happen. So get ready for some old school storytelling and for our newbies that haven't heard it. You are going to. You think you like Woody. You're really going to love him after you hear these stories. So thank you again. We will see you tomorrow. Have a blessed day.