True Crime Time For August 11, 2025 | Isabella Loving's Tragic Death, UK Drug Smuggling, and Antonis Antoniadis Murder Case

Summary

Real Life Real Crime Podcast: True Crime Time For August 11, 2025

Hosts: Woody Overton and Cindy Overton
Release Date: August 11, 2025
Episode Title: Isabella Loving's Tragic Death, UK Drug Smuggling, and Antonis Antoniadis Murder Case

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Overview

In this gripping episode of "True Crime Time For," hosts Woody and Cindy Overton delve into three harrowing true crime cases: the tragic death of Isabella Loving in Nevada, an intricate drug smuggling operation in the UK, and the brutal murder of Antonis Antoniadis in London. Throughout the episode, the Overtons blend detailed case analysis with their unique dynamic, providing listeners with an engaging and informative experience.

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1. Antonis Antoniadis Murder Case

Timeframe: [07:46 – 24:07]

Cindy introduces the tragic story of Antonis Antoniadis, a 26-year-old Greek national who was murdered in London on July 21st while celebrating his birthday. Antonis was enjoying a night out at the upscale nightclub 32 Portland Place when he became the target of a violent robbery.

Key Details:

• Targeted Items: Designer Versace watch and Lacoste man bag.
• Assailants: A group of five men who followed Antonis in a stolen Kia Sportage with fake plates.
• Incident: As Antonis was entering his Uber, the assailants attacked him. In an attempt to defend himself, Antonis struck one of the robbers with a brandy bottle, which escalated the violence. He was ultimately fatally stabbed in the chest and thigh, severing his femoral artery.
• Investigation: Authorities utilized CCTV footage and cell data to track down the suspects. All five individuals were apprehended, with some displaying prior violent records. The trial concluded with all five being convicted of murder and conspiracy to rob after over 14 hours of deliberation.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton [09:43]: "But you know the burning Parish people. Best people in the world. Not 99% of people. You don't want to do anything wrong against them against somebody in Burning Paris."

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2. UK Drug Smuggling Operation

Timeframe: [24:07 – 35:25]

The Overtons transition to a major drug smuggling case in the UK, highlighting the complexities and evolving methods of modern drug trafficking.

Key Details:

• Operation: A gang attempted to smuggle £18 million worth of cocaine into the UK using the AT Sea Drop Offs (ASDO) method.
• Methodology: Drugs were transported from South America via container ships. Smaller boats then offloaded the cocaine into the sea using waterproof packaging and buoyancy aids, making detection difficult for authorities.
• Law Enforcement Response: Increased patrols by Border Force Maritime operators, including cutters, rigid hull inflatable boats, and jet skis. Collaborative efforts with police forces and military special forces have been intensified.
• Challenges: The rugged southwest England coastline provides numerous hiding spots for smugglers. There is also concern about the potential use of underwater drones ("narco submarines") to further complicate smuggling efforts.
• Outcomes: Last year alone, law enforcement agencies in the UK intercepted nearly 6.5 tons of cocaine valued at approximately £520 million using the ASDO method. However, it is estimated that only a fraction of the total drug influx is being intercepted.

Notable Quotes:

• Charlie Eastall, Director of Border Force Maritime Command [25:58]: "ASDO appeared to be the preferred method of drug smugglers."
• Adam Thompson, Head of Drugs Threat at the NCA [26:28]: "It's working."

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3. Isabella Loving's Tragic Death

Timeframe: [30:49 – 35:25]

The episode takes a deeply emotional turn as Cindy narrates the heartbreaking case of five-year-old Isabella Loving in Cold Springs, Nevada.

Key Details:

• Discovery: Isabella was found unresponsive in her family's home, lying on a tiny mattress with severe trauma, including multiple injuries to her face, arms, hips, pelvis, and genitals.
• Perpetrator: Her father, Nicholas Loving, was initially arrested on charges of child abuse causing substantial bodily harm. Investigations revealed that Isabella had been subjected to prolonged abuse, leading to her untimely death.
• Investigation: Nicholas Loving was later formally charged with murder after further evidence surfaced, including extensive physical abuse. His wife, Andrea Loving, also faces similar charges.
• Community Response: Sheriff Darren Balam and District Attorney Chris Hicks emphasized the community's commitment to ensuring justice for Isabella, highlighting the painstaking nature of the investigation.

Notable Quotes:

• Cindy Overton [33:08]: "Medical authorities have obviously ruled Isabella's death a homicide."
• Sheriff Darren Balam [35:25]: "Justice for Isabella remains a community priority."

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Conclusion

Woody and Cindy Overton wrap up the episode by reflecting on the gravity of these cases, emphasizing the importance of community involvement and the relentless pursuit of justice. They encourage listeners to continue supporting their mission by sharing the podcast and contributing tips, underscoring their dedication to solving cold cases and bringing closure to affected families.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton [54:12]: "And to be ranked in the top 130... behind Dateline."

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Final Thoughts

This episode of "True Crime Time For" masterfully intertwines detailed case narratives with the hosts' personal insights and urgency for justice. By providing clear sections and including impactful quotes with timestamps, the Overtons ensure that listeners are both informed and emotionally engaged, making the podcast a valuable resource for true crime enthusiasts seeking comprehensive and heartfelt discussions.

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Thank you for listening to Real Life Real Crime. Stay safe and stay informed.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Hello, everybody and welcome to episode of True Crime. Time for Monday, August 11th, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Second week of August. And you know what that means for all you poor kids out there. Everybody's going back to school. I, you know, I remember being a kid and my mom taking us. We didn't have uniforms. My mom taking us like the fashion stop or whatever. And there wasn't anything expensive and, and you got three pair of jeans and three shirts.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Then you had to go get all your school supplies and teachers gave lists like Kleenex and all that. And I hated that. I hated school. I truly did.

[Cindy Overton]

I was actually a little bit blessed in that area. I was thinking about this the other day. My, I would spend summers with my dad. And so during the summers when I was with him, my mom would say, you've got her. Like, don't worry about child support. And so he would save my child support and we would go back to school shopping. So I'd have like 600 or a thousand because his child support was $300. So I'd have $600 or $1,000. And back then that could go a very long way.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, that was $2,000 nowadays.

[Cindy Overton]

And then my stepmother was like queen sale. So we would go and get everything.

[Woody Overton]

That's where the shopping started.

[Cindy Overton]

On sale. And I would get two pairs of tennis shoes. I would get, I never had. I get a tennis shoes.

[Woody Overton]

I don't have two pair of tennis shoes now. Yeah, then good shape.

[Cindy Overton]

You do.

[Woody Overton]

Good luck to all you Kids going back to school. Y' all drive safe through school zones. Don't hit anybody. They get off your phones. Going through school zones. I don't speed through school zones and I. I try not to be on my phone. So that's a real deal. I've seen kids get run over. So stay safe on all that stuff. Hashtag just for Bradley. Wow. And just for Ao. Wow, y'. All. It's just. It's a hell of a ride.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. And the. The tips continue to come, but please keep calling them in 313 rlrc tip and as we speak today, I'm in a different location with boots on the ground actually working a case and I'm not going to tell you where that's at. If you're scared that it might be Vernon Parish, then you should be very scared because that means you did something shitty.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, any parish you're in, you should be scared.

[Woody Overton]

But you know the burning Parish people. Best people in the world. Not 99 holy. You don't want to do anything wrong against them against somebody in Burning Paris. I got tips way beyond hashtag just for Bradley and hashtag just for a. Like, I think everything that's ever been done wrong. Anybody buy some and burning Parish that they didn't actually prosecute or. Or investigate or handle it. I think I've got the tips.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, they know who to go to.

[Woody Overton]

No, I mean. But I. You wouldn't think the one small parish could have so much. A rural parish, if you will. Everything from politicians to the. Whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. But so y' all continue. We got this this morning and the episode just came out. Actually, it didn't come out yet. It must have been a patreon or convict. The Y' all recording us early. The wake up and get a big long email from a dude who's legit and he said, here's three cases. Because I asked in the episode and yeah, it'll be out by the time y' all hear this. Regular lifers that send me your cases on Burning Paris and I'm going to do a Burning Parish burning series just like I did Rapids Paris burning series. Because some of this just needs to be called out. It doesn't have anything to do with Bradley and Austin.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. But if there's grain of truth to these injustices, then my light shining. We'll go ahead and shine it on everybody.

[Cindy Overton]

I found a binder yesterday and I actually haven't looked in it yet. But what I think that binder is is the binder that I Created when you were doing the rapids burning people would sending case and I did all the cases in alpha and you slip.

[Woody Overton]

Through and we need to do the same thing on Burn in Paris. And the y' all the boots on the ground part is coming. It's just so much stuff. And invariably the on Tick Tock, I think we had like three of them. Now somebody posts I wish you would hurry up and solve this on the podcast. And you know what? I'm not gonna rush. These are murder cases. Okay. Or smarter cases because I forgot maybe putting. Oh no, we're not putting this on Tick Tock anymore because we have our YouTube channel back up.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Because we beat the hackers. But I'm not going to rush this in. The podcast is not for Tick Tockers. I mean you can listen to it, but the you're not getting the whole world solved in a minute. And I can't tell you what I know. Yeah. It just doesn't work like that. So. And the one poor guy I responded that not in an ugly way. And then he responded back, oh, I. I get it. And you know, good luck and da da. So whatever the continue to call it in and Ms. Barbara Blunt's case. Hashtag just for Barbara Blunt. And we've been dropping Sheriff Arts behind the scenes podcast that I was guest on the last two weeks now tips every time. Every time. It's guaranteed. The tiktokers could see what it means when a podcast drops because there's a whole lot more people out there in the world that aren't on TikTok. And I mean I've been getting calls from Texas one from Salt Lake City and. And these people actually have real knowledge. They just moved away.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

So anyway, call it in. Let's get down to some true crime time for this Monday fun day.

[Cindy Overton]

Monday fun day. Okay.

[Woody Overton]

It'S time for worldwide crime.

[Cindy Overton]

We're starting off in London with a man named Antonus Antonia Does. He's from Greece and he's 26 years old and he moved. He went from Greece to London on holiday, as they say across the pond. So Antonis was out with his friends at an upscale nightclub named 32 Portland Place and it's just off of Regent street in London. And he, you know, by all accounts it was just a regular night out and kind of in woody frame of woody words until it wasn't Outside the club, a group of five guys saw him leave and noticed his designer Versace watch and Lacoste man bag and they made their move.

[Woody Overton]

Hopefully one fakes Exactly.

[Cindy Overton]

They hopped into a stolen Kia Sportage with fake plates and these watches probably.

[Woody Overton]

Work more in that car.

[Cindy Overton]

And tailed Antinous as he got into his Uber, headed to New Cross. And New cross is about 30 minutes across the city. And once they reached where Antonis was going, Antonus's friend, which is a rookie thing, fumbled for his keys. And whenever I'm leaving a place, I always make sure I've got keys in hand, you know?

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

But that's when the robbers struck. And four suspects in hoods jumped out and tried to grab his bag. And in a split second reaction, Antonis hit one of them with a brandy bottle.

[Woody Overton]

Nice, but that you get to walk down the street with a brandy bottle.

[Cindy Overton]

In London or ride your Uber with it, I don't know. But remember, the other guy was with. There's four total bad guys. So that move, hitting the one with the brandy bottle, set off a very, very brutal response. He was punched, kicked, then stabbed in the chest and thigh, severing his femoral artery. And then the group fled and Antinous actually bled out. He was rushed to the hospital, but didn't survive. And he passed away on July 21st. And tragically, I didn't realize he was actually there celebrating his birthday. Obviously that didn't go very well. So investigators pieced everything together using the CCTV tracker and tracked the CCTV and tracked the stolen car and cell data, placed all five of those guys together that night. And some had violent records. One had previous robbery charges, another one had a knife conviction from 2015. And after the attack, one of them and his girlfriend fled to Cancun, and Dutch police had them cornered and they were actually arrested in Gatwick, I guess in some type of flight. Maybe they. Whatever. But now all five are have been found guilty of murder and conspiracy to rob after more than 14 hours of deliberation in the trial. So one guy even told the jury they were ruining his life and someone exited the courtroom in tears and the judge delayed sentencing until October.

[Woody Overton]

But that's crazy. I know, right? They in the life of. Because some can't go get his own job and buy his own. And they got to be a thief. Thief. We hate these thief. I mean, I've really, really 99% of the murders I dealt with, I'd rather deal with than a thief. True that.

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[Woody Overton]

Going right back across the pond to London or the uk. I get that confused, Tommy. You have to explain that to me. I don't know. I mean, maybe they merged and over the years and, and whatever. Right.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't want to speak to it.

[Woody Overton]

Because you don't know either. The. So let's go out there and you know. And they got a dope problem there too. Right. And all dope, I know, I've told you this numerous times. What is the one thing about all dope? It has to be transported from A to B. It just doesn't magically show up in your living room for you to snort cocaine. Right. It's got to get there. Right, Right. So. And the cops have urged people living in coastal communities in the UK to help them catch drug games that are using ever more magic methods to get vast quantities of cocaine into Britain.

[Cindy Overton]

Drones. Are they doing drones?

[Woody Overton]

Pretty sure. Offshore drones. It may be a thing, but I doubt the drone has that kind of distance and can carry that kind of weight. Talk about bass quantities. A kilo is 2.2 and over 2 and a half pounds. So anyway, all right, back to it. So the cops have worn that gangs are really digging this new method called AT Sea Drop offs and they gave it the acronym asdos. AT Sea Drop offs. I guess, I mean, I don't really understand that. But anyway they. And this is happens and let me tell you what an ASDOS is, an Etsy drop off. So the packages, the, the package of drugs come from these motherships, right? Like a freighter or whatever. And they have smaller boats that come in and pick the packages of drugs up and they take them into the UK using small coves and harbors. Right. So some in the UK has got a boat, it's already set up. They run out there. Now look, I'm not, I'm a drug smuggler. I'm not going out to a freighter in the middle of the ocean on my little bitty boat for one kilo I'm going to bring in 100 kilos which is over what, £2,000? I don't know, it's a lot but it, I mean considering they probably getting them for $5 a kilo and they're selling for 28, not 5, 500 a kilo and they're selling them for 28, 000 a kilo before they step on it and make it with fentanyl, whatever and sell 50,000kilo, but it's a real deal. A big problem in the uk but said there's also concern that gangs may begin to use more sophisticated techniques such as, oh, deploying underwater drones. I didn't know that was a thing. Did you, have you ever heard of on water drone in your life.

[Cindy Overton]

I would think of that as like a little submarine or a missile of some sort. I wouldn't think of it.

[Woody Overton]

You're right because they nicknamed them narco submarines and they do that. They use those to evade border force cutters, which would be our coast guard. So pretty genius.

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[Woody Overton]

Been a dope dealer. So the. The cops are giving out all these warnings to the public because members of gangs involved in an attempt to smuggle 18 million of cocaine. Pounds of cocaine. That's more money than US dollars, $18 million of cocaine into the UK using ASDO method, were sentenced in the TRO Crown Court in Cornwall for conspiracy to import Class A drugs. The gang included a Hampshire Fisher who had fallen on hard times, three Essex men believed to have been aiming to sell the drugs in the southeast of England, and a Colombian man thought to have been acting as security for the South American drug cartel. Now, three of the men were caught after their boat was chased for almost 30 miles by Border Force officers, while the other four were arrested after an investigation by the National Crime Agency into the wider network, where that means that they caught the boat and they ratted on their ass. So anyway, Charlie Eastall, who's the director of the Border Force Maritime Command, said that ASD appeared to be the preferred method of drug smugglers. He said it's persistent and continued threat. And last year, law enforcement agencies in the UK prevented almost 6.5 tons of cocaine with the street value of £520 million. Right. That's probably like 6,600 million US and they stopped it from reaching the street using this technique. But much more is clearly getting in, obviously. Right. They don't even stop a tenth of it. And it is estimated the people in England, Wales and Scotland consume 117 tons of cocaine a year.

[Cindy Overton]

What?

[Woody Overton]

That's a lot of.

[Cindy Overton]

That is a lot.

[Woody Overton]

But, but you put it in context, like the city of Miami probably uses that much.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

The cocaine, that's still life.

[Cindy Overton]

It seems like.

[Woody Overton]

How many pounds in a ton?

[Cindy Overton]

2000.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so that's 2000 or 2500.

[Cindy Overton]

It's.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, whatever it is, it's that times 117. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's like an eight ball, which is an eighth amount for every man, woman and child in all three of those countries. But he's all said the Border Force Maritime had more than two dozen vessels patrolling, ranging from cutters to rigid hull inflatable boats and jet skis. That's new and they work with police forces as well as military special forces, he said. We have crews out for up to two weeks at one time patrolling around UK territorial waters. But the jagged nature of the coastline in southwest England means there are a myriad of spots for smugglers to land undetected. Now, Eastall said good relations were being created between agencies and coastal communities through an initiative called Project Kraken. K R A K N, he said. Coastal communities. I wish I could do a British accent. Coastal communities in the maritime commercial industry are really key parties in the fight against organized criminality at sea and smuggling. They can help contribute by being the eyes and ears of the Border Force Maritime around the UK coastline. He said the drug importers would innovate. They always do. You stop it one way, they come in another way, he said. We would expect, as we would with any type of criminality, that the wheel will turn and there will be a threat from other modes in the future. Something we have seen elsewhere in the world is underwater remotely piloted smuggling attempts, essentially subsea drones. It continues, as with every threat, to be plausible. A more modernized version of smuggling is something we're on the lookout for now. Adam Thompson, who's the head of the drugs threat at the nca, said the ASDOS method tended to take place in the southwest approaches for Cornwall, but had also been observed in the IRC and the North Sea. You know why? Because it's working.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, right.

[Woody Overton]

She said. They throw them into the sea wrapped up in waterproof packaging and buoyancy age and then a smaller vessel will come out and fish those out and take them to land. I've seen this on the smuggling shows. So they'll sink like 100 kilos and the have a buoy that has a time release blow up thing on it and once the freight is long gone, it could be, it could be a month later they could press a button and, and pop it and it comes up while they're out there. So there's no chance that the, the cops run around seeing it. So pretty ingenious. He said. That's the mythology we're seeing used most frequently over the last two year. It changes the way borders are managed during COVID and after Brexit may have prompted the rise of estos, he said. We've seen a trend for larger loads being put on these vessels in South America. This Is a very good way to offload very significant loads, tons at a time. Typically you could throw it in the sea, bring it into a little beach. You don't even need a marina. And Thompson said 34 people involved NASTOs have been arrested last year. More than 60 investigations into just that method have taken place. He said we've got good partnerships with border force and with maritime agencies around the world. This method relies on container ships coming from South America on commercial routes. We look to understand which ones may have been contaminated with cocaine and focus on those routes which we know are being used. What they really do is getting the juice from rats. But the citizen of the four men, Judge James Atkins, said this was an intentional conspiracy to smuggle a large quantity of cocaine into the UK. Scott Johnson, 38, of Havant in Hampshire, mother 24 years. Right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

That's good for them. Michael May, 47, of Brentwood, Essex, got 19 years. Terry Willis, 44, Clinchford, Essex for 21 years. And Edwin Yard to Borka, back at 33, of Barcelona for 17 years and seven months. Now the other three, Bobby Pierce, who's 29, of Essex. Alex Valley, 35, at Ch Chester in West Sussex. And Peter Williams, 44, of Hav and Hampshire, to be sentenced later this month. Probably means they don't want to ride it. Yeah, they're going to get a good deal.

[Cindy Overton]

Well.

[Woody Overton]

And won't be reported, but, you know, but that's pretty, pretty stiff penalties as it should be for cocaine. Yeah, should be.

[Cindy Overton]

Hopefully it'll. It's not going to deter them, though.

[Woody Overton]

No, no, they're going to keep doing it. But the, the. I mean, it's so much money in it. The problem with, they don't realize and when you get in, you're only getting out one or two ways. No one or two ways prison like these got. Or they're gonna kill you.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So anyway, that's it. That's all I got on that one. But I always like to do the smuggling and, you know, watch those shows and I won't even watch regular cop shows or homicide shows. I like to watch to catch a smuggler and stuff like that. Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

But my fear of if I had a small vessel would be that they would just come and take over my boat and make me do a haul them. I mean they can.

[Woody Overton]

They do that sometimes and they'll take your license and. And be like you tell them, yeah, we're gonna get it. But family, I just FYI, we've always had small boats.

[Cindy Overton]

I know, I'm just saying If I had, I'm just.

[Woody Overton]

Well, you can't go out on the boats anymore because you're scared.

[Cindy Overton]

See, in that situation, small boat and open waters like that.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, I don't think that happened in Lake Mar Paul.

[Woody Overton]

It could. I bet they come in Lake Mar Paul every day with that.

[Cindy Overton]

Well then we got lucky.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. All right. What you got? It's time for family matters.

[Cindy Overton]

We're going to Cold Springs, Nevada.

[Woody Overton]

Nevada.

[Cindy Overton]

And there was a little girl named Isabella Loving.

[Woody Overton]

You gotta let us know if Reno is better or Laughlin or Lake Tahoe, right? Yes, let us know. I know a lot of y' all from there or have been to those three places because we had a chance to go to either one of them.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Or. How do you say that? Either one of the three. That's make sense.

[Cindy Overton]

No, either would be.

[Woody Overton]

We got a chance to get all three. Right. All right, let us know.

[Cindy Overton]

So in early April, a five year old Isabella Loving was discovered unresponsive by deputies in her family's home. And she was laying in an upstairs bedroom on a tiny mattress and had severe trauma to her body. So Isabella had multiple injuries across her face, arms, hips, pelvis and genitals, including at least 10 separate wounds on her face from a black eye to a gash. Because this person actually counted the wounds.

[Woody Overton]

On the body during the operation like it's supposed to be.

[Cindy Overton]

Her father, Nicholas Loving was among the first arrested. He had placed Isabella in a locked 5 by 5 foot box and he called it a makeshift cubby. And he did this sometimes as punishment. So she'd been coughing up blood and mucus for at least nine to 10 days. And, and he told investigators he gave her a bath, checked her temperature and he said he checked her temperature and it was between the 96 and the 97. And then he locked her inside her five by five cubby.

[Woody Overton]

Nice.

[Cindy Overton]

Around 2:00am she stopped breathing and authorities weren't contacted until around 7:00 o' clock the next morning.

[Woody Overton]

How does he know it was around 2am she was locked in a cubby.

[Cindy Overton]

Initially he was just charged with child abuse causing substantial bodily harm. And now he faces a 10 million dollar bond. His wife, Andrea Loving also faces the same charges as him.

[Woody Overton]

Them.

[Cindy Overton]

And they were. She was arrested months later though.

[Woody Overton]

What state?

[Cindy Overton]

Nevada.

[Woody Overton]

Oh fuck. See? Nevada. Let me check my mouth. Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. Nevada. No.

[Cindy Overton]

Yep. No.

[Woody Overton]

No death penalty.

[Cindy Overton]

So medical authorities have obviously ruled Isabella's death a homicide. Um, and the official cause of death though is bacterial pneumonia. But obviously the multiple blunt.

[Woody Overton]

Oh no, wait a Minute. I'm sorry. Nevada's in the yellow, so they have it, but it's a moratorium or hiatus on it right now.

[Cindy Overton]

So factors like multiple blunt force injuries, malnutrition, dehydration and medical neglect also played significant roles, even though they. They have said it was bacterial pneumonia. But anyway, just this week there was a major development, though. Nicholas Loving was formally charged with murder. And the Washoe county or Washoe county district attorney's office emphasized that this step comes after months of painstaking investigation. I cannot imagine investigating this case. Andrea continues to face child abuse charges involving substantial bodily harm and death. And District Attorney Chris Hicks and Sheriff Darren Balam both stress that justice for Isabella, which they call Izzy, remains a community priority. There's a little bit more, but that's basically the story.

[Woody Overton]

That's how they roll.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean a ten million dollar bond.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, they're gonna get out anyway that sometimes the bond is to protect the bad guys. Oh, because my do that turn her kid, her grandbaby, he'd be dead. Murder by you don't ever, don't ever tip your hand.

[Cindy Overton]

What?

[Woody Overton]

Murder by you could mean anything. He'd be dead. And now somebody turns up dead, they're gonna come looking for us.

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[Woody Overton]

True that. So I was looking at the mat and somebody posted about me making this a death penalty show or whatever. Well, you know what? Turn it the off because I'm always going to talk about death penalty. And again, if you sat across from me the evil and had the worst case I work, you'd believe in it too. Yeah, but I still don't care if you believe in it or not.

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly.

[Woody Overton]

I'm simply educating the public on where it's at. I don't know why I thought that map's wrong. That map is wrong. The. The Nevada is below Utah.

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[Woody Overton]

I was looking at New Mexico to the right. This has Arizona, Utah. The Nevada's on the. But I couldn't figure it out. I was like, where the Nevada said this Kimmy, your map is wrong. That Utah is above Nevada. And I know that because I lived in Salt Lake City and it was Columbus Day weekend and I left in the middle of the night working a turnaround, drove my Cadillac. I said I'm going to go around the mountains this time and drove my Cadillac, came to the mountain pass and there was beautiful Las Vegas.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, absolutely. It's flip flopped.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. Okay. All good. That's what me up on that one. All right. Then I got something special for everybody out There and listening land. It's time Family matters. And we're going to Pennsylvania. You ever been there?

[Cindy Overton]

Never.

[Woody Overton]

Not miss anything. Sure. Some people love it. I mean. Yeah, it's all right. The. The. It's just not my favorite place. The. I got a copper out there, police officer and he got his ass arrested. Guess what he did?

[Cindy Overton]

He raped somebody.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, he's. He was going to. So he goes down to the local ymca and us country folks, we don't know anything about that. Although I held the state squat record in 9th grade in Houma because I competed in it and they had a ymca. But if you live in a small parish like we do, you don't have one. It's not enough people. But the. Is it Young Men's Christian association or something like that? Whatever it means. And everybody knows the song. Ymca.

[Cindy Overton]

Well yes. The Village People.

[Woody Overton]

The. Well, maybe they don't. A lot of the youngsters out there.

[Cindy Overton]

Sing it for them.

[Woody Overton]

No, I did not. The. Anyway, so he goes down to the YMCA where they have a swimming pool. And he was a part time police officer for the Milburn Burrow Police Department in Delaware County. And while he's down there, you know what the you doing as a police officer at the ymca? It's not like they're shootings and drug dealing and. And see it's a youth organization.

[Cindy Overton]

Like the police officers to stop at the Livingston center to go potty.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, like so this guy was about a swimming pool inside the ymca. You think that's part of his route? Do you think that's a part of a cops route? Shouldn't he be out in. In the neighborhood somewhere trying to stop some real.

[Cindy Overton]

I agree.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, so he's 52 years old and he got arrested and charged with photographing a sexual act, stalking, unlawful contact with minors and related offenses because of something he did on July 22. So according to the Chester County DA's office, police were notified of a suspicious condition at the YMCA in on Airport Road in East Goshen Township the day after this, July 23rd. So mom calls up the police and she says my 14 year old daughter and her 13 year old friend believe they were being filmed while they played at the ymca Pool on July 22. If you're a cop, you have no business being at a anywhere where there's a kid, a pool full of young girls and bathing suits. Okay? So according to the affidavit of probable cause, the mom who was there, she approached the dude taking the pictures of the kids and he said hey, I wouldn't take any pictures or videos. And she said, well, who are you? And he refused to identify himself. And he refused. She was like, well, let me see your phone. Let me prove to me you weren't taking pictures of my kids. And he was like, I'm not showing you shit. And then the mom report the incident to the YMCA lifeguards who are going to be teenagers themselves. And they approached the deed and asked for identification. Well, you know what he said? I'm not showing you my identification, but I will show you this. And he whips out his badge.

[Cindy Overton]

So obviously he was not in uniform.

[Woody Overton]

Obviously. Thank you. So the, the cops, they go look at the cameras and identify the suspect as Mackerel of Coastville. And then they later searched his phone where they found photos and videos of children, some dating back as far July of 2024. So over a year. But wait, the. That wouldn't be so bad, right? I mean we could be at the pool, watch our nieces, the Salus just play water polo. And they're all, you know, one of them's in Serbia right now on the national team. And the rest of them have played in college. They could be doing that, right? Okay, well they view his videos and he forgot to turn his microphone off. Oh God, his wise. He's making the videos. He's making sexual comments about the juveniles. Like she's fine, I'd like to her right? And their kids. So they arrested his ass. They gave. I hope they put his own handcuffs on him. And they arrested him on Thursday and he got a hundred thousand dollar bond and posted it. So according to the affidavit, he also serves as a youth monitor at Abraxas Academy, which is a multi service facility offering secure residential treatment and detention services in Morgantown, Pennsylvania. Which means it's a juvenile tent center, basically juvenile prison. Can you imagine what he does there on the night shift? So Milburn Borough Police Department said in a statement that Mackerel is suspended while the charges are pending. The Milwaukee Borough Police Department stresses that it has a zero tolerance for behavior jeopardizing the safety of children and will continue to zealously investigate any such misconduct and take appropriate action to ensure the safety of the residents of Milburn Borough and the surrounding community. So you know what that dude the. This is why. Yeah. And I believe and you know this. And people don't get that because I'm coming so hard. I didn't ask to go hard against Vernon Parish. They did it to themselves and. And they were still doing it. And they were so far outside the box. They specifically being detective ants was so far outside the box that he's commenting on this lady's social media, personal social media about active ongoing cases. And it just really pissed me the off. Now everybody is calling in all this stuff and Detective Vance, I wouldn't want to be you, homie. They don't love you so much over there in burning Parish. And these are good people that are saying, well he said this and he said that to them. This is not hearsay that he said this to these people to their face and which just makes no sense. But at least he wasn't on their Facebook page bash them. And at least to my knowledge Vance didn't had been if they had a ymca, which I doubt he hadn't been there. Video and little girls or something.

[Cindy Overton]

True.

[Woody Overton]

But if you're dirty, you're dirty. I'm not saying Vance is dirty because I don't have proof of that yet. But if you, if you're dirty like this is and you're making sexual comments while you're filming little girls in the swimming pool and then you roll, we call it rolling gold. Right? You get pulled over, you roll the badge while you get out your license. You'd like to have a little professional courtesy. Two kinds of cops. Ones that need the badge feel like a man and the ones who do it because they love it. This dude bro, he's a part time officer and then he. He's a guard at a juvenile attention center. He needs the badge to feel like a man.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

He isn't getting paid by Milburgh to be a part time officer. And he went in there, he's volunteered his time just so he can have a badge going him. I put his ass in jail in a heartbeat. That would have been a good day.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Much rather deal with a murderer than a pedophile. Most of them. Most of them, yeah. Not the ones that looking at the map on the wall. Not the ones that are on death row for good reason.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

All right, give us a shorty.

[Cindy Overton]

A short. I got a shorting. It is you're going to Florida.

[Woody Overton]

Which part? Oh.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know. I just know we're going to Florida.

[Woody Overton]

Okay. We're going to call it the Shorty County.

[Cindy Overton]

Shorty county. And just before 6pm one Friday at Aunt Lily's childcare center in Florida.

[Woody Overton]

Was.

[Cindy Overton]

A routine pickup that wasn't quite routine.

[Woody Overton]

Routine pickup for pizza or routine pickup of a kid.

[Cindy Overton]

Pickup for a kid. So Mindy Osteen, who's 34 years old had come to collect her kids. And after hugging them tight, she watched as their father, Christopher Jones, put the children in the back of his car and climbed into the driver's seat. Then in a moment she, Mindy, pulled out a gun and fired three shots into the vehicle. And Jones, the father tried to escape, but Osteen had shot him and she shot him again. So desperate, Jones ran back towards the daycare door. That's the. I wouldn't. But anyway. But he couldn't get in because those people are like, let's lock this.

[Woody Overton]

He's like, let her shoot their kids and mine are still in the car or she'd still be shooting at them.

[Cindy Overton]

So she fired three more times. And witnesses said that they heard her cry out, please let the monster die. And one of her final words to Jones was, you've got to die. You can't kill my kids. And Jones responded, I'm not killing nobody before collapsing. I don't know. He was still alive when police arrived and taken to the hospital, but died of his injuries. And so when deputies got there, Mindy claimed self defense. But Christopher's sister Melanie Russo said that he was the one who had previously endured domestic abuse and had sought help. He was the one being abused in the relationship. So Sheriff Major George Conkel later described the scene as just moments before. It looked like a typical daycare pickup. And then like the flip of a switch, she turned into this person. And so she now faces first degree murder charges and two counts of child abuse.

[Woody Overton]

So he died. I thought they had three kids.

[Cindy Overton]

She's getting two counts of child abuse.

[Woody Overton]

Or maybe there's two kids and three bullets. The it's so common, you just don't know. So let's go to a case I did on Rapids Burning after just got fed up with all the. And Rapids Parish on Courtney Coco's case and I can't remember her name right now. I think it's Giles. The this lady had been in and out, in and out of the court system. But she was like, she wasn't like a dope or anything. And she's going through the divorce. And I met the family, I met the parents because Ms. Stephanie introduced me to him. And the ultimately, I mean she had kids with this guy, her husband, they're getting a divorce and they're exchanging and they're young kids, exchanged them in the Walmart parking lot. Visitation set up all the lawyer, right. And she smokes him like a pack of cools. I mean she's just cold blooded murder. Morning on a Sunday afternoon in front of God and everybody. And then her got delayed and delayed and delayed. I don't know if it's rapids being dirty or whatever and to the point. I mean I it's been years later and they actually ended up going to trial. She took its trial because it took us a couple years to get Corny's case to trial because you had all the motions etc and the. She took a trial and found she got convicted. But during that time she opened up a daiquiri shop and all this. She had all these different things on her probation or to be conditions of bond. She violated them all and was living with a cop and all kinds of crazy. It's a bunch of crazy out there man. And it doesn't. Yes. I would say like 90 of the murders are. Are directly related to dope. Sometimes it's just not. I bet at least 5% of the other ones relate to domestic violence. Oh and and and served this percentage of the domestic violent ones are going to have dope or alcohol in it but some of them just don't.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

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[Woody Overton]

Show him and you know what her the you know how hard it is people don't know. Now Thanksgiving we got all the family that we love coming in from Texas with their boyfriends and girlfriends because now they're in college and and that's the big hunting week, y'. All. It's the week deer season opening and these people have never hunted before. And every year I end up teaching somebody how to shoot and and all the gun safety rules and I'll probably sit with them on the stand and stuff like that. But the people have no idea how hard it is to shoot especially a pistol.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

It's not like this has been on the SWAT team or as a sniper or whatever. You watch your husband put your kids that you birth into a vehicle and you shoot that like six times. You have no idea. No idea. I mean obviously she killed him eventually but the you now have no idea. Patrick Lane saying he was ahead of the firearms lab section for Louisiana State Police Crime Lab. He's genius. And in shootings on different homicides when they trace the bullets and the routes. Yes. Match to the firearms and all that stuff and some of them just couldn't be explained. It was like you have no idea what a bullet would do. You may think it's going to hit here and hit there. The My point being she totally should have got attempted murder charge for kids because she has doesn't have even a firearms instructor Firing in a car with three people in it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You know, you can't, you can't get general direction. You can't control that bullet.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. She should have gotten more. For every person that was on that scene, she should have gotten an attempted murder charge.

[Woody Overton]

That was. I was thinking, what do we name that town in Florida? Short one.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Shortworn County, Florida. And then they got through that felony. So he knows I'm a ride down because of those comments. But anyway, y', all, that's it. And we love and appreciate each and every one of you. Thank you for liking, listening, sharing. Holy charting. Chardon. Chardonnay. I don't think people understand what that means. The inward chart in the 130s worldwide.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And true crime. And when we started, there was only like 750, 000 podcasts in the world.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Now there's over 5 million.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. And to be ranked in, in the top 130.

[Cindy Overton]

And then the, the Daily News. The seventies.

[Woody Overton]

That's right. That's right. And then, and, and then that other one which has beatspot has this number six in the war.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Number seven in the world. Right behind Dateline.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So y', all, you know, liking and listening, sharing. We appreciate it. And send. We almost got a one year anniversary coming up. I know it's not the inaugural. It'll be the Bison. It be the second. Second annual. Is that right?

[Cindy Overton]

I guess so.

[Woody Overton]

Anyway, we'll be starting.

[Cindy Overton]

You want to call it.

[Woody Overton]

We'll be starting our second year in two and a half months. Yeah. Only because we, y' all love us and we love y'. All.

[Cindy Overton]

And that's what the rankings. That's why I post them not to brag. I post them to, to show lifers this is what you do. And to give that.

[Woody Overton]

Oh yeah, absolutely.

[Cindy Overton]

Sharing the content is what's going to solve the case.

[Woody Overton]

Absolutely.

[Cindy Overton]

Because that is our trajectory right now is cold cases. And I know people want to hear what he stories. But you gotta go.

[Woody Overton]

My passion is cold cases. It just is.

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[Woody Overton]

But that's what made your injustice of any kind.

[Cindy Overton]

Again, that's what made your career. When you go up against the DA and you go into the grand jury and you go against everything they told you to, but you do what you know is right because that was going to be an injustice. Had you not that that's.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. They'd be out raping kids while you.

[Cindy Overton]

Stood on the carpet so many times they couldn't get too mad at you because they knew you ultimately did the Right thing.

[Woody Overton]

Did the law. But. But lifers, it's. It's up to y'. All. So please continue to like and listen and share. I'm the one who gets to say it now about my own. Our own. And share. And it means a lot. Patron of convicts. We actually have an episode.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

Edited. And she's waiting on me to say when to drop it. I think I'm gonna do another one this weekend. I got something in my head I want to get out, finish the other one.

[Cindy Overton]

It was a parter.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, that's right. Yeah. Anyway, that. But regardless, like, last week, you got Hashtag Justice Bradley, and now AO Part 9 on Monday. Everybody else at the time we're recording this, they still haven't got it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And they. Which. The regular lifers don't get it until Saturdays, and then they've got to listen to all the commercials and all that. So. Patron Convicts, thank you so much. Can't be one. We get it, but that's our subscribers that get all the benefits. And thankfully, we have, you know, shit ton of commercials and everything. Just shot some videos this morning.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

3 video commercials.

[Cindy Overton]

That is our first to do this type of advertising. And it's basically started because we had the YouTube set up. And these aren't going on our YouTube. They're for their social media.

[Woody Overton]

They're just basically like a TV commercial.

[Cindy Overton]

But they got to see us on YouTube, and they were like, oh, I like them. Let's put them on.

[Woody Overton]

So, yeah. Yeah, it'd be pretty funny. We'll let y' all know when they come out. And there's three different ones. So anyway, that's it. I'm rambling at this point and love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Hashtag Just for Bradley. Hashtag Just Rail. Hashtag Just Barbara Blunt.

[Cindy Overton]

And Haley.

[Woody Overton]

Hashtag Just for Haley is coming. Yes. And I'm not. I just don't have a pause about that whatsoever at all. I know everybody else can't stand the weight. The longer it goes, the better it is. But, yes. Hashtag. Just for Haley is coming. And I'm Woody Everton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

You host True Crime Time for this first Monday in August, which, if you go back to 1988, guess what was happening on this day, the first Monday in August.

[Cindy Overton]

You were going into the arm.

[Woody Overton]

I was getting off the cattle car. My first day of basic training.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, my God.

[Woody Overton]

And it was something to behold. I'll holler. Peace.

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