True Crime Time For August 18, 2025 | Brian Kohberger Behind Bars, New Orleans Mayor Indicted, and the Amy Betro International Case

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: True Crime Time For August 18, 2025

Overview

In this episode of True Crime Time For (August 18, 2025), Woody Overton and his wife/co-host Cyndi Overton cover three headline-grabbing cases:

1. Bryan Kohberger’s life behind bars after pleading guilty to the Moscow, Idaho student murders.
2. Corruption and criminal charges against Louisiana public officials, notably the New Orleans Mayor Latoya Cantrell and Port Allen’s former mayor.
3. The international case of Amy Betro, a Wisconsin woman convicted in the UK for an attempted contract killing stemming from a family feud.

Woody brings his usual mix of professional insight, straight talk, dark humor, and deep knowledge of the justice system, while Cyndi offers perspective and quick commentary, making for an engaging, sometimes irreverent, deep dive into each story.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Ongoing Cold Case Investigations in Louisiana

[01:27 – 05:49]

• Woody discusses the continued investigation into historic cases in Vernon Parish, particularly “#JusticeForBradley” and “#JusticeForAO”. He highlights the challenges of working alone and following up on every tip – noting that local law enforcement had these cases for years with no result.
• Woody clarifies the difference between complex multi-agency cases versus a “one-man band,” reiterating his dedication and thoroughness:

  “Doesn't mean I don't know what I know already, that's for sure. But then everything has to be excluded or included and we are going to continue to roll with that series.” ([03:29])

• Cyndi defends the methodical pace:

  “If this is taking you time, there's a reason. It's not because Woody Overton can't. It's whatever. I was just defending you, that's all.” ([05:07])

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2. Bryan Kohberger’s Prison Ordeal and Psychological Warfare

[05:49 – 14:16]

• Kohberger’s Current Status: Serving four life sentences plus ten years in Idaho’s maximum security prison, J Block—solitary confinement for 23 hours a day.
• Prison Harassment: Inmates engage in coordinated psychological harassment, including shouting through ventilation, banging on doors, and constant taunting, trying to break Kohberger mentally:

  “They have the vent at the bottom of the wall, little square vent, and you can holler to it. It’s their telephone system.” ([07:42])

• Woody references notorious Louisiana inmates harassed in similar ways, predicting that Kohberger could be driven to suicide by the relentless verbal abuse:

  “If he doesn't commit suicide, I'll be surprised. But let me tell you what kind of P word this dude is.” ([08:50])

• Kohberger’s Post-Murder Calls to His Mother: Details of his repeated, lengthy phone calls to his mother immediately after committing the murders are scrutinized.

  “He called his mama first at 6:13am then immediately called his father … and at 8:03am the same day … called his mother again. … Three hours the day of the murders.” ([09:23–13:35])

• Investigator’s “Revealing Moment”: His phone was turned off (and battery full) during the murders, undermining any defense that it “died” by accident ([12:14]).
• Woody & Cyndi Skewer the ‘Mama’s Boy’ Dynamic:

  Cyndi: “Now the little bitch talk to his mommy hours.”
  Woody: “My mom would pay me not to talk to her. Three hours on the phone.” ([13:35–14:24])

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3. Louisiana Corruption: Port Allen and the New Orleans Mayor Scandal

[14:31 – 34:41]

Port Allen Mayor Derek Lewis

• Arrested/Booked for Third-Degree Rape:

  “He had previously been arrested for indecent behavior with a juvenile. Now he’s been booked for third degree rape … Lewis, 64, was arrested last Monday and deputies said additional evidence allowed them to charge him.” ([15:31])

• History of Corruption and Sting Operations:

  “They did a sting operation … promote a waste bin cleaning service in return for cash. … The businessmen behind the operation were undercover officers.” ([22:52])

New Orleans Mayor Latoya Cantrell

• Indictment and Federal Charges:

  “She got her ass indicted by a federal grand jury on Friday, and she is the first New Orleans mayor to be charged with a federal crime while still in office.” ([24:03])

• Charges:

  • Conspiracy to commit wire fraud
  • Conspiracy to obstruct justice
  • False statements and grand jury perjury

• Scheme Details:

  “Contrell also had Vapey accompany her on at least 14 out of state trips … falsely claims she needed protection for safety concerns. These trips cost the city of New Orleans over $70,000.” ([26:32]) “They used a city owned apartment in the Tableau building for personal use with Vapey frequently spending time there while on duty. They took several actions to impede inquiries in a federal grand jury investigation.” ([27:01])

• Woody's Take on Political Accountability:

  “There’s no such thing as a perfect crime if somebody’s actually working it right … Sooner or later you find that crack … Get out your chisel and your sledgehammer, you bust that motherfucker wide open, … get indicted, goodbye, bye to prison.” ([32:54])

• Historical Context: Previous New Orleans mayors, notably Ray Nagin, have also served prison time for corruption ([30:51]).

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4. New Orleans, Hurricanes, and Police Life: A Local’s Perspective

[33:21 – 37:59]

• Woody, a Louisiana native, shares his perspective on the challenges New Orleans faces—corrupt leadership, underfunded police, hurricanes, and the unique dangers of being a cop and resident in the “city in a bowl.”

  “If you live on the water you know, sometimes you live in the water … if it ever goes over the eye wall … it’s going to suck all the water out of Lake Pontchartrain … and spin it right back into the city…” ([34:00–37:45])

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5. International Crime: Amy Betro Case in Birmingham, UK

[38:03 – 44:44]

• Who: Amy Betro, 45, of West Allis, Wisconsin, convicted in the UK for attempted contract killing related to a family feud.
• Crime Details:
  • Sought out by Nazir (involved in a 2018 attack) via a dating app
  • Flew to Birmingham, UK, multiple times
• Attempted Murder:

  “She attempted to kill Sikander Ali, Muhammad's son on September 7th of 2019. Surveillance footage shows her approaching his vehicle and firing at close range. But the gun jammed and Ali escaped unharmed… She also sent taunting messages to the victim’s father including ‘Where are you hiding? Stop playing hide and seek. You are lucky it jammed.’” ([39:05–42:38])

• Follow-Up Schemes: Attempted to frame another man by mailing him ammunition from the US; this failed when Betro’s DNA and video evidence exposed her ([43:04])
• Legal Consequences: British jury found her guilty of conspiracy to murder and firearms offenses. Extradited from Armenia in July 2024 ([43:28–44:44]).
• Woody’s Colorful Commentary:

  “She should have fired her [gun] before she tried to be an executioner … They should have had another charge of being a dumbass. And I bet you wish she was back in Wisconsin eating some of that good red meat, that great cheese and that cold Wisconsin beer.” ([42:38–44:44])

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6. Anecdotes and Tangents: Alaskan Homestead Reality Show

[45:01 – 49:41]

• Woody recaps a reality show about an Alaskan homestead being given away to competition-winning couples from England – culminating in commentary about city-dwellers unprepared for rural, gun-and-hunting-based life.
• Memorable moment when contestants declare themselves vegetarian and anti-gun:

  “You can live on a mountain in Alaska. They got bears everywhere … Why would you get on this show?” ([48:43]) “I mean you stuck on that mountain and bears after your ass and you had a gun, you learn how to use it real quick.” ([49:08])

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7. Closing Reflections on Cold Cases and Justice

[49:41 – 53:09]

• Woody revisits his commitment to cold cases—urging listeners to remember the humanity of victims and continue sending tips.

  “What if it's your mama? … These are not statistics. These are real. They were real live people who touch other people's lives.” ([51:20])

• He expresses gratitude to his community, even as he’s (half-jokingly) “banned for life” from certain Louisiana parishes due to his relentless investigations.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Quote & Attribution | |-----------|--------------------| | 03:29 | “Doesn’t mean I don’t know what I know already, that's for sure. But everything has to be excluded or included and we are going to continue to roll with, with that series.” – Woody Overton | | 07:42 | “There’s nothing that’s louder than a prison ... they have the vent at the bottom of the wall, little square vent, and you can holler to it. It’s their telephone system.” – Woody Overton | | 08:50 | “If he doesn’t commit suicide, I’ll be surprised.” – Woody Overton (on Bryan Kohberger) | | 13:35 | “Now the little bitch talk to his mommy hours.” – Cyndi Overton | | 24:03 | “She got her ass indicted by a federal grand jury on Friday, and she is the first New Orleans mayor to be charged with a federal crime while still in office.” – Woody Overton | | 32:54 | “There’s no such thing as a perfect crime if somebody’s actually working it right ... Sooner or later you find that crack ... bust that motherfucker wide open, ... get indicted, goodbye, bye to prison.” – Woody Overton | | 42:38 | “She should have fired her before she tried to be an executioner.” – Woody Overton | | 49:08 | “You stuck on that mountain and bears after your ass and you had a gun, you learn how to use it real quick.” – Woody Overton | | 51:20 | “What if it's your mama ... These are not statistics. These are real. They were real live people who touch other people's lives.” – Woody Overton |

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:27 – 05:49]: Woody’s ongoing cold case investigations & podcast updates
• [05:49 – 14:16]: Bryan Kohberger in prison—details, insights, and opinions
• [14:31 – 34:41]: Louisiana mayor/crime scandals (Port Allen, New Orleans)
• [34:41 – 37:59]: Deep dive into New Orleans’ storm history and environment
• [38:03 – 44:44]: International case – Amy Betro in Birmingham, UK
• [45:01 – 49:41]: Alaskan homestead reality show tangent with firearms discussion
• [49:41 – 53:09]: Closing calls for tips, reflections on cold cases, personal thanks

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Tone and Style

Woody and Cyndi blend dark humor, personal experience, and gritty realism. Woody’s profane, unfiltered style is punctuated with sharp insights from law enforcement, while Cyndi injects empathy and fast-paced retorts, making even the darkest stories compelling and accessible.

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Summary

This episode delivers a fast-paced, unvarnished look at breaking crime stories—fusing deep professional insight, local knowledge, and the rapport of two co-hosts who keep each other honest. Listeners walk away with a better understanding of how justice actually works (or fails to), the complexity of major cases, and the pain and persistence behind every headline. As always, it’s “twisted, gruesome, sometimes funny, but always true.”

Transcript

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Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of True Crime. Time for Monday, August 18, 2025 and I'm Woody Overton.

[D]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[C]

Back at it again. Mama's not riding solo today.

[E]

Long crazy week started last Sunday.

[C]

Yeah, all the way through but I'm home now. You sure are back in the studio y' all go listen to the didn't get to drop it until Sunday this week for all lifers but Patreon of convicts got it on Friday. But the new episode 10 hashtag just for Bradley and now hashtag just for AO. Evidently it's a really good episode. Got a lot of comments just from the subscribers that got it early and things are still rolling over there and burning parish and people 313RLRC tip and people are calling and messaging and calling and messaging and it's it's so much not going to be solved in an hour. Y'. All. The you know that sheriff's office has had Bradley's case for almost six years and they haven't solved it. And then AO's case was simply bringing to light. I'm bringing to light the, you know, facts in the case. Facts that are presented to me whether it's public record on on this last deal of her court minutes that I got and you know the the appeal on the state versus Coal, which is where they talk about the sheriff, Sam Kraft writing the inmate who was the biggest distributor of methamphetamine for the Sonola cartel in Vernon Parish. And evidently he was a good trustee, was a good little boy before he got his 20 years in prison. But again, I saw public record stuff that you know, I pulled and should have been looked at before, but there it is. And the case continues, continues to roll. We continue to cover the tips. Everything has to be investigated. I'm a one man band. It is going to take a minute. Doesn't mean I don't know what I know already, that's for sure. But then everything has to be excluded or included and we are going to continue to roll with, with that series.

[D]

You are a one man band. Yeah, but I have seen, I actually haven't seen it, but I've been around you long enough to know and you come home and tell me you've been on task force forces where you've had multiple agencies over multiple years looking at documents and investigating and you get a document or the file for maybe an hour and you've solved the case. So I'm not, I know it's not the same thing.

[C]

Problem with this is just me. Every tip has to be followed down and, and I got a million different ones that go in different directions. Certainly I have the ones that I can't get off of yet and working on proven those beyond a reasonable doubt. But you know, one man band and, and this takes time. And for the people who are like, oh, I wish he would just go ahead and solve it. He's had it for nine weeks. I'm like, well they've had it for six years and they've got a full sheriff's office and full everything on law enforcement and that I don't have. But that means dad is not working because he's working. So that being said, thank you Sin, for covering the last show, the last week I still wasn't home and you got a lot of positive comments on it.

[D]

Thank you. So, so if, if this is taking you this amount of time, I mean you saw, saw Courtney Cocos in six weeks, boots on the ground. If this is taking you time, there's a reason. It's not because Woody Overton can't is whatever. I was just offending you, that's all.

[C]

You are absolutely correct. But it's also taking time because I'm doing it correctly. Sometimes you get lucky and get, get. I'm already lucky on it cause I know what I know. But everything else keeps flooding in and I'M sure a lot of it is from the bad guys who want to throw me off the trail. Matter of fact, I know some of it is. But let's get down some true crime time for Monday. What you got?

[D]

Apparently, poor little Bryan Kohberger is getting some prison justice. And as most people know, he's serving four life sentences without parole, plus an additional 10 years for the four Idaho murders that occurred in 2022. And he's been transferred to Idaho's maximum security institution, the state's most secure prison. But according to a former homicide detective, fellow inmates expected his arrival and began a coordinated campaign of psychological harassment. And it's persistent taunting through the prison's ventilation, loud banging on doors, and verbal abuse designed to disrupt his sleep and mental well being. And although he's being held in solitary confinement and he's in a restricted section known as the J Block, designated for. The J block is designated for prisoners considered extremely dangerous. He spends, you know, he gets that one hour a day out, right? That's what you always say.

[C]

But it's not out in public. They put him in a cage. Yeah, like a dog.

[D]

So he's 23 hours a day alone with limited time outside under restraints and showers only every other day. And detectives described the harassment as ongoing and organized. One said the taunts occur almost continuously as they are intended to deprive Coburger of rest and stability. And prison officials acknowledge Kohberger's complaint. But note the abuse is verbal only and does not pose a direct physical threat. And the Idaho Department of Corrections maintains that the facility remains secure and orderly.

[C]

That's basically what people don't realize is there's nothing that's louder than a prison. And even if you're on a cell block like that, in isolation, you have cells on either side of you, even if you have a closed door. They have what they call the pipe chase. Do you know what that is? Pipe chase runs in between the cell blocks, the cell blocks back to back, and each cell has a toilet. And the pipe chase is a secure thing that goes down in between. But they have the vent at the bottom of the wall, little square vent, and you can holler to it. It's their telephone system. And they do it and they holler and they talk all the way up and down the tiers all day long. The Gerald Bordon who raped and murdered little Courtney LeBlanc, left her almost nude on Amy Riverbank, got put on death row in Louisiana. And his. The guy in the cell next to him was Derek Todd Lee the serial killer. And they, they razzed his ass all night long. Hey, baby killer, hey, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. And then there's no, there's no rule against that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And the, he was safe inside his cell, but he couldn't handle it. Coburger is a. And that is entertainment for these guys. And if he doesn't commit suicide, I'll be surprised. But let me tell you what kind of P word this dude is. All right, so adding to your story, so right after he butchered the four students in Idaho, guess what he did in the hours right afterwards?

[D]

Got a hamburger?

[C]

No, no. He called his mama twice. Check this out. And right after he butchered him and he called her again on his way to revisit the scene of the murders. So Coburger, who's 30, phoned his mom, Marianne Coburger at 6:17am on November 13, 2022 when arriving at his Washington State University campus home after he killed, butchered all four of them. This court of People magazine and case investigator Heather Barnhart. So he called his mom first at 6:13am then immediately called his father when she did not answer. She eventually answered and the two talked for 36 minutes. Coburger commonly reached out to his father as soon as his mother would not respond to him because court investigators, you know, they got all the phone records and shit and they said, and he would go back and forth texting, father, why did mother not respond? Why is she not answering the phone? Then at 8:03am the same day that morning after he brutally murdered him, Coburger called his mother again in. The two spoke for 54 minutes. So they said the time of the call suggests he was chatting with his mom on his drive back to the crime scene at the Moscow home in. And Coburger spent roughly 10 minutes there revisits in the scene at 9am that's according to late all prosecuting attorney Bill Thompson. Minutes after the call with his mama, mama's boy, Coburger reached out to her again at 9am and the call lasted 10 minutes when he was likely close or nearing the scene. So then the mother son duo had another brief two minute call at 4:5pm in a final 96 minute marathon call at 5:53pm all the same day. Right. And so they, the two spoke on the phone for roughly three hours the day of the murders. This Cordone investigator Bernhardt. And she, she was the one who's given the job of looking at his phone and hard drive and all that. So Coburger, everybody knows, was former criminality criminology PhD student. Sometimes called his mom as early as 4am Quarter phone records. He made the calls from his OR from a Samsung Galaxy phone which he purchased in June. Coburger completely powered off his phone during the slayings between 2:54am and 4:48am because he knew they could ping it, right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Said this discovery was a pretty awesome and incredible revealing moment for investigators. When he powered it off, it was from a human pressing a button and the battery was at 100% charge. This means his defense was unable to claim his phone had simply died during the time of the killings. Coburger also had no text records with any friends outside of his family. I guess his mama had to get a Thai pork chop around his neck to get the dogs play with him. Coburger, you know, everybody knows. Last month he, he copped to the murders. Zana Carnival, Kaylee Gun, Calvis Madison Mogan and Ethan Chapman. And he got what you said, right? The life of prison plus. But you know, of course the deal was controversial and he dodged the death penalty, so. And the trial where the family would have found out the motive and all that, but. So the cold blooded quadruple murderer had no words for his mom Maryam and sister Amanda as he was hauled out of the courtroom in the cuffs to that Idaho max security institution in Kuna where their poor baby, he can't get a good night's sleep.

[D]

Now the little bitch talk to his mommy hours.

[C]

I know, right? Right after you butcher people.

[D]

I don't know. I love my kids and I want them to call me every day. That would be great. If they don't, that's great. Like go have your own autonomy like I've raised you to do. Well, you know what I mean? Like Sophie in LA and Kate always say, we're so glad you're not that mom because so many moms are like, where are you? Are you home yet? You know, like, when are you coming over? Like that type of thing. I cannot imagine. First, I can't imagine if you sat and talked to your mom for three hours on the phone.

[C]

My mom would pay me not to talk to her. Three hours on the phone.

[D]

I mean, I know it wasn't all consecutive, but can you imagine calling your mom at 4 in the morning?

[C]

Yeah, it's fucking stupid.

[D]

I wonder what they talked about.

[C]

Who knows? The.

[D]

Because the daddy went and got him and drove him, right?

[C]

Yeah. Stupid, stupid, stupid. I got a two for. For you. You ready? It's time for family matter and this is Coming back to the great state of Louisiana and one of the parishes that I'm not banned from. Right. Well, I almost got banned from there. And when we did Mary Pusho's case, West Baton Rouge, which y', all, that's just across the Mississippi river from Baton Rouge city proper and where my buddy Richie, well, you know, was the top, top dog and, and all that until he died and everything. And, and they got a new sheriff and all that finally over there. But it's a bunch of small towns. It's like Port Allen and Brulee and, you know, different ones. As soon as you cross the bridge, you got Port Allen and then you can take a left and get brutally plaque, man, all that stuff, right? The Port Allen being the largest one, and that's where the sheriff's office is, the courthouse and all that. Well, being a decent sized little city, they got a mayor. Yeah, right. Or they had one because this mayor, well, he was a former mayor or Port Allen, well, I mean, still, you get elected mayor in a city like that, you got to be pretty popular and, and, you know, pretty decent dude. Right. Well, he had previously been arrested for indecent behavior with a juvenile. Now he's been booked for third degree rape and is cordon West Baton Rouge Sheriff's office. So Derek Lewis, 64, was arrested last Monday and deputies said additional evidence allowed them to charge him with third degree rape.

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Now, W. Netti Williams, 67 or Port Allen, was also booked with contributing to the delinquency of a juvenile. And Lewis was sentenced to in 2012 to 40 months in prison and two years of probation after pleading guilty to racketeering. Same. Right. So and so. But, but, but they have. They did a sting operation which basically targeted several different city officials and asked them promote a waste bin cleaning service in return for cash. Oh, pay, Pay for pay. Right. Tell you people use my shit, we'll give you some money. Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So in reality, the businessmen behind the operation were undercover officers.

[D]

Good.

[C]

Didn't give any more information on the allegations behind these arrests on the sex charges, but his ass is in a crack. And you know, he was already in jail, but whatever. Third degree rape, he's not Getting out. He's not a young dude anyway. Yeah, YouTube, if you're watching it on that. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Real quick, another. It's time for family matter, and this one's making all the national headlines. And you know you and I love us and yours, right? Well, the. The mayor of New Orleans, latoya Cantrell, you know what she did.

[D]

Comes out the box.

[C]

She's crazy. Yeah, right? Like a couple years ago from Mardi Gras, maybe two or three years ago, Rex and Comus meet up one Fat Tuesday. They literally but up right by City Hall. They have the grandstand, and the mayor always gives them the toast and all that. She actually flipped off people that were on the float.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

The mayor, the city. And you almost had some. Some really super duper mayors and some super duper stupid mares. Ray Nagan during. Oh, my God, during Hurricane Katrina. I mean, you know, to calling Chocolate City and all that. He ended up going to prison for charge as well. Where? Latoya Cantrill, she got her ass indicted by a federal grand jury on Friday, and she is the first New Orleans mayor to be charged with a federal crime while still in office. Negan got his after he got unelected details. And charges against the first woman mayor in the city's history weren't immediately available after the indictment was handed up to the magistrate judge, Eva Dossier, by the grand jury foreman. But the indictment says that Cantrell and her former bodyguard, Jerry Paul Vapy ii, then they're charged with conspiracies to commit wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy to obstruct justice, obstruction of justice, false statements, and false decorations for grand jury. So let me kind of paraphrase for you. They, you know, been investigating, and I'll read you the charts in a minute, what actually went on. And then they get him in for federal grand jury, and they're sworn in. You know, you sworn in to give your statement, right? Well, they got in there and they lie their ass off.

[D]

Damn.

[C]

Yeah. And because they thought they were untouchable. All right, so the indictment says that Cantrell and Vapy V. A P P I E, who was a member of her executive protection unit, they developed a personal relationship in October 2021. And to hide the relationship and get the most time they could have together, they created a scheme to defraud the city of New Orleans by engaging in personal activities while Vapey was on duty and being paid for providing protection. So the mayor, like Mayor Baton Rouge, they got cops that are assigned to them 24 hours a day as drivers and everything else like the governor does. Right. So you own the same thing. So he's banging her while he's on duty.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

All right, so Contrell also had Vapey accompany her on at least 14 out of state trips. And where she falsely claims she needed protection for safety concerns. Right. You need the protection of a condom. These trips cost the city of New Orleans over $70,000, not including Cantrell's travel expenses. Just for him.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

So the indictment says that Vaping Cattrall used a city owned apartment in the Patabla building for personal use. Let me tell you about that. You know about the Pattaba building?

[D]

Only because someone posted about it the other day and there's like three units available right there.

[C]

Well, but do you know about the building that's the oldest functioning apartment building in the United States of America, but it's actually owned by the city in New Orleans. I had my roommate, Sean Brady from college friends, dad, actually you got to be a rich mofo. It's directly across from the Hard Rock Cafe, the balconies and you can see the river and everything. It's right there on Jackson Square.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

And that's them. And I spend the night in one of those. And you know, you hang out on the balcony and all that stuff. The, the windows are like doors to go to the balcony race from floor to ceiling. I mean 1700, the older and oldest one in the United States of America. So the. The city owned. They used the city owned apartment in the Tableau building for personal use with baby frequently spending time there while on duty. And they took several actions to impede inquiries in a federal grand jury investigation into the relationship and the schemes of the traveling and shed. And they. These included using an encrypted messaging platform, WhatsApp, deleting electronic evidence, making false statements to federal law enforcement agents. You could lie to a regular cop all you want to. You lie to a federal agent that's like five years automatic. And they lying to the federal grand jury and lying to colleagues and making false public statements.

[E]

So they said it's irrelevant.

[C]

That it's romance or that it's female. What is relevant is that it is on an. It's an incredible breach of the public trust. It's an incredible betrayal of people's confidence in their own government. And it's a violation of innumerable federal criminal laws. And it's according to U.S. attorney for the Louisiana Eastern District, Mike. His name is Michael Simpson. He said this on Friday. So Our Attorney General Liz Morrell, said she will be monitoring the matter closely in case there's any state charges they want to bring. She said New Orleans deserves leadership that is honest, accountable and dedicated to serving the public and making the city safe, clean and economically sustainable. Said these are serious charges. So Cantrell's indictment caps off the federal investigation in 2022 and that part somewhere. And a grand jury just started hearing evidence from prosecutors in February 2024. Because I always tell you, just like me on the Bradley case, no matter how long it takes, you want to come correctly, right? And the feds, if they come, they come and cry. And they returned the indictment last September against a building inspector, Randy Farrell, and charged him with conspiring to bribe Mayor Contrera. But about $9,000 gifts in 2019. These gifts included NFC championship game tickets, a lunch at Ruth Chris Stake's house and a cell phone, all in exchange for the causing the firing of a city official who had been in guests investigating the steed Pharrell for an alleged fraud. She's a. She's a shitbag.

[D]

Sorry, I hate that word, but that's just right.

[C]

So back to our old buddy, Chocolate City Ray. Former Mayor Ray Nagin was on the federal investigation during his 2002-2010 time in office. So the whole eight years he was under investigation, but he wasn't indicted on corruption charges until 2013. You know why? Because some investigations take time. If you have so much information, you don't know what to do, they take time. He was convicted in 2014 and sentenced to 10 years in prison. So you ought to be getting out by now. According to the Associated Press, Cantrell and her remaining allies say that she's been unfairly targeted as a black woman and held to a different standard than male officials and her executive powers been sabotage. Earlier this year, Contrell said she's face very disrespectful, insulting and in some cases kind of unimaginable treatment. Like it's not disrespectful to flip off the people. The king of. Of the parade, right? So there you have it. Good old state of Louisiana rolling with it, burning Parish people. People think these officials can't be touched if you're doing wrong. I'm not saying that they are. But if you're doing wrong and you're an official and somebody's digging in your. And you. There's no such thing as a perfect crime if somebody's actually working it right. And if they're working it just like if it was a homicide. They're working it. And there's no such thing as a perfect crime. Sooner or later you find that crack. And when you hit that crack, get out your chisel and your sledgehammer, you bust that motherfucker wide open, see the nastiness and then pull the nastiness out, get indicted, goodbye, bye to prison. And I believe that should happen for every shithead. Justice, right? And people don't think justice can come. It can come to anyone, especially public officials. I understand the good old boy networks and all that, but just doesn't work that way anymore.

[D]

Not anymore. And it's gotten.

[C]

All right, well, there you have it, Louisiana do love us some yarns.

[D]

When are they going to get a fair chance at life? I mean, the mayors that they've had have sucked. You know what I mean?

[C]

Look, I'm going to tell you some the I was and everybody knows the story, but I had signed on with no PD and was going to sign the final paperwork the day that my shit blew out. And I ended up living some Paris. If you hadn't heard it, go back and listen on other episodes. But the then back in the 90s when that was, they were the lowest paid police department in the United States of America. Yeah, I'm talking about like lower than anybody.

[D]

But you were going to be back.

[C]

I was going to be with my daughter, to be closest to her as I could. But they all make their money on their off duty. Right. They. But they're paid a lot better now. And Met Potan, y' all know you lifers love to tell Matt Potan when I talk about him. Met Potan actually went and he's made a career there. He's like a captain or a major or something now, but now he's like in the reserves and he lives down there. You know, anniversary Katrina's coming up this month. And the you talk about them getting a break. Holy. Every year hurricane season comes. They. They praying for a break.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Because all the big storms, including Katrina, Katrina turned at the last second. And the only reason you almost got hit so hard is because the levees broke. Okay. The. But if you and I, whether it's in the hotel room or down the street, when you can look up and see ships passing you, they're like, I mean, you have to look up. You're standing on the street, you look up over the levee and the ship's like 50ft above you. You're in a bowl, literally. And. And you're surrounded by levees. And if you're not from Louisiana. The levees are the walls they built to keep the water out when the water comes up. And eventually the water's coming up. You know, you and I know this. We lived on the water our entire lives. So I always say, sometimes you live on the water, sometimes you live in the water. But every major storm has always turned. Maybe it's a little voodoo protection. But the problem, y', all, they got the Mississippi River. You got all the swamp that surrounds New Orleans. But on the other side of New Orleans, right where the city stops, guess what begins. Lake Pontchartrain. Lake Pontchartrain is only 18ft deep. Yeah, you like your daddy. Well, it's also. I mean, that's the longest bridge in the United States, the one that crosses and all that. But the point being, Lake Mar Paul is the same debt. Your daddy and I would dive down competitions after drinking all day to see he bring up mud from bottom. But the. The forecast models what they've done. Computerize if it New Orleans ever takes a direct hit. And all these storms have turned. In my entire history in law enforcement, all the hurricanes I worked and they thought New Orleans was done, they always turn. But if it ever goes over the eye wall ever goes over New Orleans when it hits Lake Ponce Train because it's so shallow, that's. That spin on it is going to suck all the water out of Lake Pontchartrain to spin it right back into the city or. And y', all, it's unfortunate because I grew up in New Orleans, going in New Orleans my entire life. And we still go to New Orleans as often as we can. Like, a lot of our friends still go to New Orleans. Like Joshua and Melissa E. Barb go post pictures from down there all the time. Hey, it's fun. It's a great time. It's just not balls hot, right? But the. Yeah. When it got hit the last time, they lost like half the population. People. I mean, you had to empty the whole city. People never came back. Now, when. But that was from the levees breaking. It gets hit again. Nobody's investing any more money in yours. It'll be one of the oldest cities in the continental US that will no longer exist.

[D]

That's just. I don't want to talk about that.

[C]

But anyways, hurricane season. I hate to. I hate that word. I hate to think about it, but it is what it is. And I don't know why I got on Louisiana kick, but give us something else.

[D]

Okay, well, I'm gonna take us across.

[C]

The pond all Right, it's time for worldwide crime.

[D]

We're gonna go to Birmingham Crown. Well, we're going to England and there is a lady named Amy Betrow. She's actually from Wisconsin.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah. She's 45 years old and she's from West Allis A L L I S Wisconsin, which I have no idea where that's located.

[C]

Looking it up while you talk.

[D]

And she's been found guilty in the UK of plotting to kill a shop owner in Birmingham. She was convicted on August 12th of this following her trial.

[C]

It's real close to Milwaukee.

[D]

Okay. And the charges included conspiracy to murder, possessing a self loading. What's a self loading pistol?

[C]

Yes, that's the like every pistol we own. That's probably just what the English call it with.

[D]

So possessing a self loading pistol with intent to cause fear or violence and illegally importing ammunition. She is scheduled to be sentenced on August 1st. But this is where it all began. Began with a long standing family feud. So in 2018 a violent incident occurred at a clothing shop owned by Aslat Muhammad. And during that altercation Muhammad Aslam and his son Muhammad Nabil Nazir were seriously injured and the two launched a revenge plot. Nazir connected with Betro via a dating app. So Betro traveled to the UK several times before the attack disguised in. I'm going to say it wrong but the face covering that Indian women wear or Muslim Muslim women wear. She attempted to kill Sikander Ali, Muhammad's son on September 7th of 2019. Surveillance footage shows her approaching his vehicle and firing at close range. But the gun jammed and Ali escaped unharmed.

[C]

Well, you had one fucking job. And there's only two reasons that firearms going to jam.

[D]

Can I guess him?

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Was loaded incorrectly or is the wrong type of ammunition?

[C]

Well, I guess it's more than two.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

The two common, most common reasons are you limp wrist. Especially if she got off shots. That means you're not holding the pistol tightly enough. And so the self loading part means this is semi automatic and you have a round in a chamber, firing pin strikes the round, it explodes. The force from the explosion that propels the bullet out is what makes the action fire back. And, and then when it comes back forward it looks reloads, it takes the top bullet off the magazine, puts back in the chamber and you pull the trigger again, repeat, pull, repeat. You. They call it limp wrist. And you hold like a little because you're scared of it and you fire it. And, and because of the looseness in your hand when the firearm hits your hand, the Action doesn't go all the way back and it hangs up.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Then you got to tap, rack and roll. That's what they train you in my head for, doing it a billion times. You tap the magazine on the bottom makes. That's another reason the magazine's not all the way in. So that happens all the time. People pop the magazine in but it doesn't click in. So when you fire that first round, you rack around in, you fire the first round, it's not seated properly so you can't get it. So tap, tap the magazine in. Doesn't clear it. When it, when it hangs up, it'll, it's not going to be all the way forward. It's not like it rides all the way forward and you're still trying to shoot. You can see it. It's a hang up rack. You rack that slide back and it doesn't roll it. Then you can roll it, strip out the magazine, do it again.

[D]

Right.

[C]

One job, you it up.

[D]

Well she it up. So that same night, the early hours of the following day, she took a taxi back to the family home and fired three shots through the windows, but the house was empty. She also sent taunting messages to the victim's father including where are you hiding? Stop playing hide and seek. You are lucky it jammed shortly after she left the uk.

[C]

She should have fired her before she tried to be an executioner.

[D]

Right. October of 2019, Betro and Nazir attempted to frame another man by mailing ammunition and gun parts from the US to his address in Derby, hoping he would be suspected. People do that all the time, don't they send like packages to fault like next door addresses and then go pick it up before people get home.

[C]

Never had that. Oh, you talking about like they have like weed and shit delivered. Yeah. Or drugs? I'd say yeah, probably if you know your next door neighbor is a school teacher and they're not gonna be home to what at 5:00 and the mail runs or the ups, what runs every day at 3:30? Yeah, to put you know, to their name and you can have a tracking number and all that.

[D]

That man was eventually cleared once authorities uncovered the plot. Betro's DNA was found on the items and she was spotted on camera using a fake name to send the packages. Nazir and his father were previously tried in the UK and sentenced Nazir to 32 years, Aslam to 10 years for their roles in the conspiracy, but but escaped to Armenia after the failed assassination and spent several years there until journalists located her in 2024. And she was arrested in July of 2024 and extradited to Britain in January of 2025 to face trial. And after her trial earlier this month, prosecutors relied on a range of evidence which was CCTV footage, mobile phone data, DNA and digital records. And that's how they built their case. But despite Petro's claim that someone else with a similar appearance and voice committed the crime. Yeah. The jury rejected her defense and jurors, which jurors took about 21 hours to reach a verdict and found her guilty on all counts.

[C]

They should have had another charge of being a dumbass. And I bet you wish she was back in Wisconsin eating some of that good red meat, that great cheese and that cold Wisconsin beer.

[D]

Thinks she know how to handle a gun.

[C]

She. That's where I looked up. It's like city.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

The office. Watching something the other day, I don't remember what it was when I was out of town this week in the hotel room and the. Oh I think there it was an old show and I actually rewatched it. So this old couple, this guy went to Alaska in like 1980s and he had hike in. You know about this?

[D]

We used to. You used to watch it?

[C]

It's not, it's not the same. Oh because it's like a six part series and I've watched all Alaskan shows, probably getting those confused but. So this guy hikes him and he's in it's like way the. You can only get there by airplane. And he hikes in stakes his claim to this mountain, this name Ose Mountain or whatever it's named after him. But. So they have a homestead act. You can stake out five acres but you have to improve upon it for like two years or something. Then it becomes your property. Well he did it right. And then he, he, he got his. He met the lady he ended up marrying and they improved upon it. They like built a Runway on the top of the mountain and they built this big fine home. But they lived in this little shack for nine years. I mean they did it themselves. All American ingenuity and so you know, one of the most beautiful places ever. So they, this, this kind of ties into this. So The. They're old AF now, right. They're in their 80s and this is an old shape shot like 10 years ago or something. The. They're older, in their 80s and they decide they're going to give away their mountain. There's. There's not a neighbor for like four hours by plane and they decide they're going to have a contest and they're going to bring out six couples and they were all from England and bringing out six couples. And they're going to make them perform different tasks and have somebody else monitor them. Like you know, see if you're tough enough to make it. And, and they, they are going there at the age they can no longer live on the mountain.

[D]

Kick ass.

[C]

I was thinking that the whole time. And they, they. One couple gets the mountain. And so they went through the thing. Two of the couples. So the where they're doing the, the task at and they're having other people monitor it. The. It's like way away. Like it's a hundred miles from wherever they're at just to the airport to take them for a four hour flight to O.C. mountain. So they do it. And two of the couples never even make it to, to the mountain. The four of the couples that if you win the challenge, you get to spend the night on the mountain with the couple and they interview you and blah blah, blah. And they tell you either go the home or we want you to stay around for the finals. Well, long story short, one of the couples went up there. You're not gonna believe this. They. The one of the things was firearms training. And I mean you got to live off the land. You got to get your meat and everything else and have you. One of the couples said we don't eat meat. And wait, wait. And on top of that they don't believe in firearms. Yeah. And. And I'm like, you can live on a mountain in Alaska. They get bears everywhere. Grizzly bears, black bears. You gotta eat, you gotta kill your, you gotta clean it. That was all part of it. Then feel dressed in animals, you know, part of the test. And they're like, we don't eat meat and we don't believe in firearms. And they're like, why in the would you get on this show?

[D]

Why would the producers put him on the show?

[C]

Just to probably say.

[D]

I mean just for probably for whatever shits and giggles.

[C]

I mean because I guess I tell you one thing, you stuck on that mountain in bears after your ass and you had a gun, you learn how to use it real quick. Or you stuck on the mountain and you star in the death and you got 14ft of snow outside. You'd be praying to kill a squirrel, anything.

[D]

They're going to eat snow for the winter anyway.

[C]

So what happened that this one couple, they both were remarried and they were older. Well, I say older. The guy was. They're farmers in the UK Sheep. Sheep farmers. And he had the sheep farmer sons are running in now. So they had the income, whatever long story short they wanted and they. They made a big deal. The old couple finally leaving the mountain. Everything else and you know, I can't stand it when they don't tell what happens. Right. There's no more seasons.

[D]

There's a follow up or so I'll look it up.

[C]

The. The. The. Well, the old man that. The one that trekked in in the beginning, he. His. His. They left the mountain. His wife died. Don't be so sorry. Pitiful for me yet, motherfucker. Because you'd be real butt hurt. The. As soon as his wife died and he's old as he's like in mid-80s, right. And as soon as his wife dies, he finds another woman and then he sues them to get the mountain back. And. And he said I want to bring my bride back to my mountain. And they. He got the mountain back and he's. Muffler can't even walk. Yep. So there you go. I don't know why we got off on that tangent. That's enough for today. We love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Hey, thank you so much. We know. We're truly blessed. We really, really do. You know, the fights in these cases. Hashtag just from Ms. Barbara Blunt. We had just ended the three part series. Sheriff Ford behind the scenes, y'. All. Calling your tips. Calling you tips. Holy smokes, man. What if it's your mama was your grandmother, you know, what if it's your daughter, Austin o'? Banning? What if it's your son, Bradley Strasner? These are not statistics. These are real. They were real live people who touch other people's lives. Yeah. So call them in. I don't mind the fight. The sin, you know, tries not to mom and bear as much as she can on the negative stuff because we look. Thankfully we've learned that in seven years of podcasting on the. You know, people may never come as. I don't give a. The hacking and all that. It still goes on. I didn't tell you that. They're still trying to get into the one car thing, but which I don't care. As if, you know, get justice. I won't give a fuck. He who laughs last laughs loudest. But I couldn't do it without y'. All. To the good people of Burnham Parish and who used to live in Burnham Parish, who called me and messaged me all the time. Hey. And to everybody else, Burning Parish has way more good people than bad. Yes, but they got some bad methods too. And they just. It's unfortunate for them that I'm looking into these cases.

[D]

I would love to be a fly on the wall right there, right now. I mean, when Mary Pusho's thing happened and you were doing that and you were getting calls of people telling you that your face was. Or the emblem for real life, real crime was on the walls and that was funny. Imagine what the heck like.

[C]

Like a wanted post, literally. I don't think it was Mary. So I think that was that other one. But that. The. I mean, I don't care. Oh, well, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know that. I. I will never be able to go to Vernon Parish. I just want to go after these done rapids. Paris same way. The. The. What's the other one?

[D]

You name it.

[C]

No the. No the. For real. Anyway, it doesn't matter. I don't care that we're blessed to have y' all love and appreciate each and every one of you. You got anything else? And I'm Woody Overton.

[D]

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