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Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of True Crime time for Wednesday, December 10, 2025. And I'm Woody.
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Overton. I'm Cindy.
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Overton. Crime time. Crime time. Right, Y' all keep the tip line rolling. 313 RLRC.
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Tip. If you live in Vernon Parish.
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You know, this is probably, and I hate to say that like that I'm not trying to sensationalize it, probably the biggest shit to hit Burn and Parish consistently.
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Ever. Oh, for.
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Sure. And in the fact that it's, you know, victims that were living the high risk lifestyle and all that, it's just. It's pretty amazing.
Yeah. It's not getting, like, media coverage. Well, it's getting media coverage. Today's media being our podcast and other podcasts and social media pages. And if you equate that back to before there was the Internet or a podcast, it'd be all over the news every.
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Night. Absolutely right.
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Yeah. But y' all continue to call it in.
I had a tip that. Well, you know, Adam, I say I saved it for the.
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Episode.
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Okay. The real deal. So this, this week's episode is going to be.
Interesting to say the least. I'll catch you up on. Not on everything on my part, but I'll catch you up on some of it and tell you about something else. How about.
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That?
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Okay. And Ms. Barbara Blunt, y' all.
Just keep calling in your tips. One day. One.
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Day. I just read so many stories and you've always said it that people get old, they have, you know, kids, their parents pass away, they. Their perspective changes and they decide to come clean because, you.
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Know. Well, yeah. Or they tell what they know. Yeah. Tell what they know. Not the killers, they never come in clean.
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Right. But the.
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The. But. But also what I was thinking about specifically this time of the year, it's hunting season. More people are in the woods and then all these. The big rains we just had washes away and gets unearthed. And sooner or later, I mean the. This planet's not that big. Sooner or later shit's going to turn and all done. And the music will be play that my song. Yep, done. The darkness comes to.
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Light. So that being said, Row widow, we love all y'.
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All. Thank you so much. Hey, the. The.
If you are not getting notices, some people aren't getting noticed about the episodes anymore because sometimes they like purge systems or whatever. So just hit it's. It's follow, follow, follow and you'll get a automatic download and. And you'll know it when every episode pops. As is every week we get people asking about just for Bradley and just for ao. So yeah, there's that tip. But what do you have for us on this Wednesday?
Be smoking a big injected turkey today. And after we eat off of that, take all the carcass, put it in a pot, boil it down, get the stock out of it, take the level for meat and spend about two hours stirring a pot with flour and oil in it. It turns almost black. Otherwise known as a roux R O U X. And then add in the contents of that stock and all the smoked turkey meat. Yeah, the holy Trinity. You got to mix that into. Then the. You add the stock, the meat, the deer sausage and boy, it's good for cold weather like.
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This. Yes.
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Indeed. All right, give us a.
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Crime.
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So. And I do cook. Y'.
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All.
Don't be.
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Defensive. I have said a.
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Word. Why are you being.
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Defensive? He's still carrying his hair from yesterday, people. So obviously he feels like.
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You. You love when I cook there, don't.
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You? I. I do because I cook seven days a week, multiple times a day. So yes, anytime.
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You. What is that after you do you loving my.
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Food? Because I love that whenever you do cook, that gives me a moment off and I appreciate.
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That. And. And it gives you several, several moments off because there's always leftovers when I cook them go in the freezer for an easy meal later.
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On. Yours are so good. Do you remember the 20 pound turkey at Christmas or Thanksgiving, there Were no.
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Leftovers. This is.
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True. The plate. The plate was.
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Lit. I still got a couple fried biscuits. I'm feeding a dog every now and then as a.
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Treat. I.
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Know. All right, crime time.
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Go.
Well, looks like little Brian Coburger.
He's trying to buddy up. He's trying to make some.
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Friends. If you don't remember, he's Idaho for bitch.
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Murder.
So between filing complaints about the.
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Prison food, he did that. We told you. I think we told y' all about the banana. He. He was mad about the. The banana he got.
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Served. Oh.
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Wow. Yeah, because he's a vegan in prison, he expects. Yeah, you murder people and we really give a fuck if you don't like your.
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Banana. Yeah, exactly. Well, he's filing complaints about his prison food and filing complaints about taunts from fellow.
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Inmates. Yep, I saw that.
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Too. But the poor baby is just. He needs some friends. So he's starting to reach out to a select group of people. The highest echelon of a holes out.
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There. Sarah Keller. Yes, that's.
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He.
So Chris McDonough, the director of the Cold Case foundation and a retired detective, said that he has insider knowledge of CO Burger's behavior in the Idaho maximum security institution in Kuna. And when asked if Kohberger has made any friends behind bars so far, he said his source told him that Kohberger's making overtures to other high profile killers and sees himself above everyone around.
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Him, which is no surprise. Always the smartest person in the room. And technically he's. He probably masturbates every day to the fact that he only had to give a written statement and didn't have to go into details of the crime and that he got life instead of death.
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Penalty. Yeah, he's tried reaching out to other serial killers, but I don't know whether any relationships have formed. McDonough told Fox News both inside and outside, he's trying to communicate with people outside the walls. So, just a brief note. Kohberger was studying for a PhD in criminology at Washington State University when he drove 10 miles away from home at 4am to the home invasion massacre. And he stabbed four undergrads to death.
And he left very little evidence behind, but dropped that K bar sheath. And, you know, it's just giving a brief summary, which I think everyone knows. And he considered. He received four consecutive sentences of life without parole, plus another 10 years after pleading guilty to avoiding the firing squad. But the Pennsylvania native entered into the Idaho prison with a target on his back. And in a little over four Months in prison. He's already filed official complaints claiming he's been mistreated by his fellow.
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Inmates. Cause prison is such a nice place they can't talk nasty to.
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You. Koberger, he's trying desperately to get transferred out of J block because of the relentless taunting from other inmates. And like you, it's entertainment for.
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Them. You remember I told you about Derek Todd Lee like 20 hours a day with torture. Daryl Borderline. And he had to sell next to him just call him a baby raper and da da da da da. Yeah.
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Yeah. It talks about the complaint about the banana and the guy. They're saying how complaining about anything won't help because the inmates are the ones in charge of the food distribution. You know, so it wouldn't be surprising if the inmates intentionally give him the wor. Bananas. I'm sure they did give this one to CO.
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Burger. He.
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Said.
So he's isolated as you know, 23 hours out of the day, minimizing a risk that other inmates could make. Good. Make threats on like actually take advantage. Yeah. Of the threats that they're.
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Making. And.
Let me tell you, like Jeffrey Dahmer thought he was the smartest and got him a job as a trustee mopping floors and got beat to death with a mop bucket. It's just, it's gonna happen. It's inevitable. At some point Coburger is going to be like, you know what? I'm so cool. Or they're gonna play him and why don't you just come on out general population right now he's. When you know, the only time they could really get to him is point A to point B which is a shower or his cage that he's out allowed the rest of his time in. You know, they lock him up in that too in the max security try and they try to keep him away from other inmates because they will kill him. If you're doing life already in Idaho, then why not kill this dude? You'll be.
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Famous.
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Yeah. We would be talking about you right now in true crime time for. And. And giving you.
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Applause and huge shout.
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Out. So now he's stating that if he has not moved from J block because he's complaining his sale is too small. Also he's going to harm.
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Himself. That's he. He absolutely is too self centered to do.
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That. Yeah, exactly.
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Right. He's not going to hurt.
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Himself.
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No. But he's threatening.
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It.
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Okay. So they need to put him in isolation. Put him.
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In. Well he pretty much is in isolation and they take him out, strip him down butt naked, give him a paper gown and put him on suicide.
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Watch. That's what I.
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Mean. In the cage. And then let him file complaints about that.
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Too.
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Right. So him and everything that he stands for.
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Right.
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Absolutely. All right, well then let's go out to.
Kansas.
You ready to go to.
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Kansas? I'm with Dorothy.
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Yes. All right. Well, this.
You know.
If you called me 18 times in two minutes, I would know something was.
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Wrong. If I called you 18 times in a.
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Month. Yeah, something wrong, but no but like because I'm always gone or doing whatever. And I know if Cindy calls, just she doesn't with me. It's like my mama, she knows from out of town, working. She absolutely wouldn't even tell me if somebody in the family died, you know. And you're the same way. Well, when Kansas, a woman was gunned down on the front porch in the early hours after her boyfriend bombarded her with 18 phone calls in two minutes. Now, I'm pretty sure if I sat here and tried to call you right now and we timed it, that'd be like the.
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Maximum.
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Right. I don't think you get hit, read out, get voicemail readout. But anyway, he called her 18 times in two minutes because he was mad that she'd gone to a Halloween party. He had told her she couldn't get you. Oh.
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Okay. That wasn't.
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That. He hadn't learned that whole trick, let the ponies.
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Run. Yeah, that's right. Sometimes you got to let them ponies run. That's my statement. My wife and them want to go do whatever. So the moments leading up to the November 1st killing of 20 year old Anna Juarez in Kansas City was detailed in arrest affidavits received by the wanted that county officials this week. And Juarez was shot and killed just days before her November 4th birthday quotations. It must have been her crazy boyfriend, a witness said at the scene. It was a remark captured on the police body camera footage. War's boyfriend, or zero in the story, is 22 year old Kevin Calamarco Morales. And he was taken into custody and has been charged with first degree murder and criminal discharge of a firearm and her.
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Death. Hey, y', all, I want to.
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Nurse. Mind of a Monster is a podcast series from ID that dives into the minds of notorious serial killers like.
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Inside Kristen's twisted mind, uncovering why she.
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Y'. All. You know I don't do the.
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Order. Officers were called to the 700 block of North 11th street around 4:30am we know what happens at that time in the morning on November 1 for reports of a shooting. They found Juarez on a front porch with a single gunshot wound to her lower back. She was taken to the hospital, but unfortunately she later died. But the witnesses told the detectives that Juarez had been at a Halloween party when Calamaco Morales began quotations, blowing up her phone with calls and messages. One part of goer said Juarez was declining the calls when Morales started shouting her name outside like I know you're in there. Friends described the relationship as toxic and then told the police that Morales disliked her going to house parties and kept tight control over her movements. The friend stated that Anna told her that Kevin is controlling and always wants to know where she is at and what she is doing and tells her she can't what she can and can't do.
Anyway. Earlier in the week, when the friend first asked Anna to come out for Halloween, Anna said kevin won't let me.
After learning where Juarez was at night, Morales unleashed a flurry of calls 18 and 2 minutes starting at 4:21am and sent a string of text messages on social media. Ready for this quotation and then it'll be close quotation and this is on Facebook, he said. You deba d e a d a dash question. I'm Assuming he's telling her he's going to kill her. But he wrote that in a Facebook message and later repeating, data, bro. And he added.
Lght, bet or I'd bet. Yeah, I bet. So it's ight bet followed by you're out of the house. H dash, A dash, B dash. I don't know what that means, y', all, but it ain't. It ain't nice. Police said that Morales went to the home where the party was being held and approached the porch and shot or as she walked through the front door. Good, I guess she turned around the last second because he got her in the back. But multiple witnesses identified Morales Morales as the suspect and he was arrested at his home that day. Day, a friend of the suspect told investigators that she thinks that Kevin is the shooter because of his attitude towards and with Anna and that she doesn't do what he wants. She has also seen him with guns before. Now, Morales was booked into the jail on a five hundred thousand dollar bond and he's scheduled to return to court next week on December.
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If nothing shows a little premeditation, like 18 times 2 minutes and including the. The post. Yeah, you did. I better. Yeah, I better. Your ass is going to prison for the rest of your life. And yeah, sorry for that.
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Girl. I'm so sorry for.
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That. Hey, y', all, domestic violence sucks. If you're part of it. Get. Try to get out.
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Please. There is.
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Help. There's tons of just anywhere. Just go ask.
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Anyone. Well, I have tick tock. I have some.
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Influencers. All right? But technically we're ticked or I'm tick tock.
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Influencer. You are a tick tock.
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Influencer. I just don't do it very.
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Much. And.
A trending thing of saying Woody is.
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Dead. Oh, I forgot about that. Let's talk about that for a second. I didn't know that box. I never looked at it. I just did my videos and, and answer the people that respond. And then, yeah, somebody sent me that the other day. It said this is trending. And as Woody as dead. And a lot of when I shared the post, the picture of it, a lot of people are like, yeah, we've been seeing that. And.
Evidently they missed their mark because I'm the only in the world that doesn't know that's a trending thing, that Woody is dead. Which means the pot is being stirred just like they smoked turkey gumbo, smoked Injected Turkey gumbo. I was telling you about the pots being stirred and stirred and stirred and burned and.
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Perished. Yeah, it's making a good route and we.
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Want. That's right, but we want to serve that gumbo.
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Justice. But go ahead, you will. Well, there's been a TikTok influencer and a boyfriend convicted of murder in what they're dubbing as the dumbest crime.
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Ever.
Sorry, go.
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Ahead. So a case that initially stunned Toronto in 2021 is making waves again. As the crime story resurfaces, audiences are dubbing it one of the dumbest ever committed. Toronto Life recently revisited the years old tale of Olivia Carafa and Lucy Lee. And they were two young individuals whose pursuit of wealth and social standing led to an unexpected murder plot. Both from affluent families, the pair had briefly dated during their school years before reuniting later in life. Karafa now boasted the title of entrepreneur while Lee was building her influencer career on TikTok alongside her sisters, known collectively as the Mia.
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Triplets. Mia.
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Triplets. However, a few months after their ambitions began to crumble financially, they crossed paths with somebody named Tyler Pratt. And he was a former cocaine trafficker attempting to leave his criminal past.
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Behind. So was he going to be a greeter at Walmart.
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Now? Well, meeting him led to a business partnership between the two men, with Tyler investing hundreds of thousands into a PPE importing.
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Scheme.
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Okay. Money that Carafa proceeded to squander recklessly. When confronted, Karafa fabricated invoices, forged contracts and promised to repay Tyler. But with no money left, he concluded that the only solution would be to remove the source of his.
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Problems. Yeah, remove him from this earth, I guess.
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So. Lee and Carrava then devised a plan to stage a real estate meeting in a warehouse they claimed belonged to Lee's family. When they intended to kill Tyler in the days before the crime, the pair purchased a getaway vehicle and began plotting to sell it right away. They created digital footprints and requested a friend to lend them their SIM card. To create the illusion that Lee had remained home all day, they planned for her to exit her apartment wearing a blonde wig, which she had previously sported in YouTube video. I mean, in TikTok videos.
On February 28th, arrived, Tyler showed up at the remote warehouse with his expecting girlfriend, Jordan Romano, for their business.
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Meeting.
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Right. The criminal duo then attempted to unlock the building's entrance, but quickly realized they couldn't continue faking ownership since it was locked.
Tyler became suspicious and Jordan retreated to wait inside their vehicle. Carafa, in a state of panic, pulled out a 9 millimeter pistol and shot Jordan directly in the chest. He then aimed the weapon at Tyler and murdered him. Lee and Carafa dragged the woman's body from the vehicle and seized both victims cell phones and money before fleeing with both cars. They returned home and casually began discussing their next move. When Lee discovered news reports that a woman had been assaulted and managed to crawl to a nearby street. He didn't get her flagged down.
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And called 911 you shot her but you didn't kill.
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Her. The duo began cruising around the city discarding clothing, vehicles and other.
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Evidence. It's called oh shit Mummies including blood. You have one job.
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Motherfucker. Sweatpants and wigs. And were captured by.
Numerous surveillance videos. They subsequently escaped to Montreal, caught a flight to Europe and tried to begin fresh lives in Hungary using fraudulent passports, but were apprehended by the nation's authorities soon afterward. Back in Canada, Lee was permitted to remain under house arrest at her family's estate while awaiting trial. When her mother traveled for business, the social media star violated her restrictions by venturing out for lunch with her.
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Siblings. Yeah, because it's just another day. I didn't murder.
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People.
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People. And she visited her sister's upscales apart upscale apartment to access the fitness facilities. And throughout the proceedings, their legal strategies proved nearly as outlandish as their offenses they had perpetrated. Karafa's argument centered on self defense against a victim he had deliberately enticed to a storage facility. Lee's defense team, however, simply argued that she was too foolish and superficial to comprehend her husband's true intentions from the.
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Start. Translation and my client's too dumb to have any part of.
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This. A position the judge endorsed declaring this is a quote from the judge may be the stupidest person in the.
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Room.
The judge says it is now a matter of public.
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Record. So following jury deliberations, Lee and Carafra were found guilty of first degree murder and attempted murder. And both are now serving 25 years without the possibility of parole. They are young. They're going to get out before they're our.
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Age. Yeah, I know, but you know, at least they got something I guess. Yeah. Stupidest person in the room, that is. It's sad, but it really is funny. And she won't be visiting anything upscale anymore. Maybe she can file some complaints like coburger and she'll get a bad.
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Banana. Maybe.
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So. Right. I don't know if they. Well, leave that alone. All right? Well.
I don't have a cry button. Just don't have it. I got something to talk about.
It's time for family matters.
Foreign.
And it's a twofer.
Family matters and worldwide crime. Because we are going to Canada. And let me ask you a question. The and I'm not. You know I believe people could be happy no matter what or.
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Whatever.
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Right. It's their decision. But how do. What do you think is would like a just inappropriate age between a couple?
I mean, I mean just like. Like really. I mean come.
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On. I mean for me really over over 10 years probably would be too.
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Much. But I mean how I would go like probably.
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40. 40 years.
Like what are you trying to tell me.
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Woody?
Because this story is over 40.
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Years. But so you think this is okay?
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Okay. It has nothing to do with me wanting to be with a girl that's younger than you. We're going to Canada where a mother.
Has confessed to.
Killing.
Her two adorable sons because she says she became depressed following the death of her 72 year old husband.
Vanessa Kalias is 2772. That's 37. 47. 5767 3. 45.
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Years. That's.
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Disgusting. Right? So she pled guilty on Monday to two counts of second degree murder for suffocating her sons Yanis, who was five, and Dimitri who was four, about a week after she lost her husband in.
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2023. He was.
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Costa Kalias, the father of the boys died from aggressive form of leukemia and sepsis on December 1st that year. And when the cops got to the their Ontario apartment building around 7.30pm on December 10, the two brothers were found dead side by side with funeral clothes laid out by their mom. According to this Toronto Star, Kalias will now spend the rest of her life behind bars. But she later revealed she held her hand over their noses and mouths while singing the lullaby you are my sunshine. As they took their final.
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After killing them, Kias attempted to take her own life by jumping off the balcony. She survived but is now a paraplegic. During an emotional court appearance, Clea spoke about how lucky she was to be the mother of her late sons. Quotations A part of me will always question why I never said I need help. I stand before you still, that broken person who needs help putting herself back together. This is what she said in a virtual court hearing. To my babies, I love you more than anything. Thank you for showing me what true love is and you guys will be forever my favorite part of me. I'm also grateful I got to be your mom. The hardest thing I will ever have to do is to learn to be okay being here without you.
You killed him during court. Calias, who married her late husband as a teenager in 2017, says she began became his primary caregiver in 2023 when Estelle Health started to rapidly decline and left her watching him slowly deteriorate before my eyes by November 20th. By November 2023, a month before he passed, Kaleas admitted she was exhausted from being his round the clock caregiver. Quotations I was running on fumes, but I pushed on trying to keep everything okay. I broke. I couldn't push no more. Well when the officers first arrived at the apartment that tragic night, they found Calias laying on the grass outside and her boys deceased inside with the TV still on. They also found evidence that someone attempted to hang themselves with a shower rod and belt.
Just outside the balcony. Police located a stool next to the railing, according to a report, and a note was also found taped to the back of the TV inside the apartment that expressed her desire to be reunited with her sons and husband. She is also said to have apologized to her family in the letter asking for forgiveness. Kias was initially charged with first degree murder by the Crown of Canada. The country's court system decides to drop it down to second degree after psychiatrist found she was suffering from a mental health episode at the time of the killings. Despite this, the mental disorder did not mean she was not criminally responsible for the crimes. Quotation and further, given Ms. Kalia's physical state, the Crown's view is that Ms. Cleas does not pose a risk to public safety. It's According to the Crown's attorney, Adrian Moser, Cleas was suffering from an adjustment disorder following her husband's death. This according to forensic psychiatrist for the center for Addiction and Mental Health. She told the doctors she felt broken, absolutely alone and unable to conceive of continuing a life without her husband and wanted all of them to be reunited in heaven. Quotation what Ms. Cleas most wants your honor to understand is that what occurred here was in no way motivated by malice. It was in no way motivated by a lack of love for her children. That's what our her favorite person, your defense lawyer, said. It was really entirely the opposite. And then she added some details about Kalius and her husband's unconventional relationship that involved the large age gap between the two. Still.
The defense lawyer said her client was drawn to her husband because he acted as a place of safety.
She had endured an abusive childhood that created trust issues at the time of the boy's tragic deaths. They were healthy and well nourished and just days before the murders, Calias created a GoFundMe campaign ask for Help. Following the sudden death of her husband said Vanessa finds herself in the challenging role of being a single parents. According to GoFundMe, Yanis and Mimi are rambunctious little boys that will miss their dad a lot. The goal is to raise funds to provide the boys with the resources they need as they grow up and support them during this very difficult time. Well, closing up in her statements in court Monday, CLE said she wished she was still with her boys. In quotation the last one they say God gives his toughest battles to his strongest soldiers. She said tearfully, well this soldier lost her fight and for that my babies, I'm sorry and I finally got them Tears.
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From Cindy. You said what she was.
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Singing killed me because of your brother when he died. And that was his song, right? The one.
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Of them. No, that was just a song that I sang to the kids growing up because of the.
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Sunshine Bridge. Yeah, but the. Your brothers was a rainbow connection. Rainbow to me means the Sunshine Bridge. Kind of. Yeah, but the. I don't know. I mean, evidently she was having a mental health crisis because she jumped off the balcony. Yeah, but it's just fucking hard hearing that. You literally smothered your babies to death while singing a lullaby song. Yeah, they're like 4 and 5.
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Or something. I mean, imagine.
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Their struggle. I just. That just. That really turns.
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My.
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Stomach. Yeah. And the. And now you're paraplegic, and.
That'S just a messed up. Yeah, it's a. That's a tragic story. Anyway. Anyway, do anything in life, no matter what else you hear the rest of your life, that is a tragic story. And I hate that people have no issues like that and stuff. And that's.
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Just unreal. That's why it was hard when you asked me, because she obviously had a true connection to him and a true love for her husband, even with that huge age gap. Whatever the love was, it was there. And you can't deny.
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Someone that. Well, she shouldn't have killed.
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Her kids. No, Gosh, no. I'm just.
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Saying, like. Well.
I just don't think I can end it on that.
But I'll end it.
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On this. Geez Louise, Woody, give me a break. Don't make.
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Me cry.
Well, I did my best. We're going to West Virginia, and this dude is renting a house, you know, and.
The. His landlord normally is the tenant that gets in trouble by the landlord. Right. Doing loud music and. Well, in this case in West Virginia, a man confronted his landlord for playing loud music and because he was singing while he was putting.
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Then he was like, hey, dude, you know. Yes. The landlord didn't stop. Landlords up on scaffolding.
Putting up the siding, I guess trying to make his apartment or whatever.
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Look.
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Better. Yeah. He starts to shake the scaffolding in. The law of gravity took effect.
And it caused the landlord to fall and suffer serious injuries. But he says he shook the scaffolding. He's hollering up the landlord, hey, dude, turn down your music. I'm trying to get some sleep or whatever. And you know what the landlord did according.
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To him? Turned.
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It up.
Almost as good. Probably. This is probably better if you really want to piss off.
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Your.
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Tenant. Okay. He's hollering at you. The landlord blew him a kiss.
So Michael Besso Z36, was sentenced to serve one to five years in prison for the April 2024 incident in Weirton after entering an offered plea. Which means you know you're admitting that you did it, but you're not stating. And this according to the Brooks County Prosecuting attorney's office. Now a criminal complaint which was attained by law and crime, y', all. This came this coming from long crime on Monday describes how biases landlord suffered a separated shoulder and torn rotator cuff from the fall. Y', all, if you fall off of something like the lady in the last story, you're going to get injured. But Beazis was charged with unlawful assault in August and accepted an offer plea, which is not an admission of guilt, but a concession that the prosecution has enough evidence for conviction at trial. Mr. Biased stated that Mr. Barger, his landlord was outside playing loud music and singing while putting up siding. Mr. Biazzi then stated he went outside and told landlord, hey, keep it down. After telling the landlord to keep it down, the landlord then blew a kiss at Mr. Biase. Beoc told police that he initially went back inside the residence before he really thought about getting the kiss blown at him. And it really pissed him off. So he went back outside again. That's when he grabbed the scaffolding in the stern manner and yelled, hey, keep it down. Mr. Biased stated that he did not shake the scaffolding. Could you not believe that's true, sir? But police spoke to the landlord at the hospital where he was treated for his injuries and were told that BOC started pushing his scaffolding and that he fell to the ground. I believe that is true. Evidently BoC believes it too. Good. He took an offer plea. But officers responded that Saturday to the home at 245 Elmer Avenue and where 10 and found the landlord being treated by the EMTs. BSE was arrest arrested initially charged with misdemeanor assault. It was later upgraded to felony malicious or unlawful assault following his first court appearance. And if your landlord is outside putting upside and playing this music.
And you ask him to hold it down.
And he doesn't, he blows you a kiss. I mean, blowing you a kiss is not the.
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Criminal.
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Offense. No. And you go back inside and you come back and shake him.
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Till he falls and putting up sighting and listening to music, it's not a criminal offense. Nowhere in there does it say it was 2 o' clock in.
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The morning when the enemy was doing it was broad daylight yeah. So, I mean, I'm pretty sure it's probably hard to hang saddened at 2 o' clock in the morning, but I guess it could.
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Be done. I mean, I'm just.
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Saying, like. But I think blowing him a kiss. If I blow you a kiss right now, you're gonna kill me.
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Later on. Not possible. Might.
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Attack you.
Like I said, you'll kill.
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That'S all I have to say about that. The Wednesday, we are now two weeks from.
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Christmas.
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Eve. Yay. Right?
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Two weeks. Yeah. It's really hard having adult children. We need some grandchildren. More grandchildren.
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Like locals. I know.
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I agree. Because the presents for adult grandchildren are.
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Not fun.
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Adult grandchildren. I mean, adult children are.
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Not fun. Well, that's, you know, the.
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Why not? Because there's not a lot of them. They're getting.
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Big things. Well, that's. I remember how that swapped over when. When I became an adult and I went getting piles of presents to literally one present.
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A year. Yeah.
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I know. You know what that's called? Being.
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A adult.
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I know. And that's how it.
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Should be. I understand that, but we need.
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Some.
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Kids. Yeah. I'd love to have a.
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Parcel full of grandkids run around this. That'd.
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Be great. But we don't have.
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That yet. And so the. Now you've really put my think cap on. There may be one present per adult underneath.
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That tree. No, there's.
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Not one. From now on, after this year, there has to be one, because I.
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Got one. That doesn't make.
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It right. That was a.
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Good present. I get none. Does that make.
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It right? No, that's so far from.
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Not.
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True. Really? Yeah, really. Okay, we got our. Our Christmas this.
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Past weekend. Oh, I didn't.
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Know that. Yeah, well, figure.
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It out. I figured it.
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Out now. All right, so next year, one present per adult. Any kid, any child of ours.
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Over 18. One present, one box to.
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Open, one present, one.
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Physical.
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Item. Okay. And a stocking.
I got.
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A stocking. You're.
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A scrooge. My stocking was always footing the that. I'm not being.
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A scrooge. I'm being.
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Adult.
Okay. And when the grandkids come. Oh, it'd be ho ho ho. But that it'd be raining presence. Like they can't stand it, right? That's what it's about. Maybe we gave them all the great Christmases, all the years past, they could still have great Christmases. They can just get one thing they really want. I mean, they.
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Own homes. And now I'm gonna start calling you 18 times. You.
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Better answer. Oh, okay. But in that case, I'm Woody Overton, and I ain't got nothing else to say but holler y' all tomorrow. Peace.
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In this episode of "True Crime Time For," hosts Woody Overton and his wife, Cyndi Overton, delve into recent high-profile cases and bizarre crimes, ranging from the prison life of Idaho Four killer Bryan Kohberger, the tragic murder of Kansas woman Anna Juarez, headlines about social media-fueled murders, and a deeply disturbing case of filicide in Canada. The episode is packed with the couple’s signature blend of Southern candor, case breakdowns, and moments of dark humor.
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About prison hierarchy:
“He’s tried reaching out to other serial killers...but I don’t know whether any relationships have formed.” (Cyndi, 10:32)
About the murder plot:
“Translation: my client’s too dumb to have any part of this.” (Woody, 35:16)
Emotional resonance:
“You said what she was singing killed me because of your brother when he died...that was his song, right?” (Woody, 49:10)
| Topic | Start | End | |----------------------------|------------|------------| | Vernon Parish intro | 03:43 | 08:05 | | Kohberger prison | 08:39 | 14:53 | | Anna Juarez murder | 15:00 | 28:26 | | Social media influencer case| 29:46 | 36:14 | | Family Matters (Canada filicide) | 36:22 | 50:38 | | WV landlord/tenant story | 50:44 | 55:06 | | Personal reflections | 56:01 | 58:56 |
This episode offers both hard-hitting analysis and human moments, making it essential listening for true crime aficionados interested in both notorious and offbeat cases, explored with heart and candor.