True Crime Time For December 15, 2025 | When Hate, Terror, and Legal Failures Collide

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: "True Crime Time For December 15, 2025 | When Hate, Terror, and Legal Failures Collide"

Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Release Date: December 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

Woody and Cindy Overton deliver a hard-hitting, emotionally charged episode focused on recent acts of hate-fueled violence, ongoing miscarriages of justice, and the chilling impact these events have on real people and communities. Pivoting between major world news (the mass shooting in Sydney), American school shootings, systemic legal failures, and lighter moments, the episode underscores how hate and terrorism intersect with inadequate legal responses, and highlights the continued need for advocacy and vigilance in the true crime community.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bradley and Austin: A Frustrating Legal Standstill (02:02-05:55)

• Background: Woody updates listeners on the #JusticeForBradley and #JusticeForAO cases, emphasizing the challenges and stonewalling faced when pursuing accountability for murder.
  • “They... sent Haley’s body to autopsy, but didn’t send law enforcement. The pathologist... just had a young white female, her whole head was blown off...” (Woody, 02:42)
  • Due to lack of information, the autopsy initially ruled a clear homicide as a suicide; only after subsequent pressure was the determination changed to “undetermined.” The main suspect, Brooks Cleary, was only convicted for moving and concealing a corpse rather than murder, despite substantial evidence and suspicious behavior.
  • Woody criticizes both the investigative and prosecutorial failures, noting that renewed pressure from “Lifers” (fans) is the only thing prompting slow movement on the case.

2. Sydney Hanukkah Mass Shooting: Hate and Terrorism (05:55-14:40)

• Incident Recap: In a mass shooting during a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi Beach, Sydney, at least 12 people were killed and 29 hospitalized. Police suspect anti-Semitic terrorism.

  • “Annual celebration... to celebrate the first day of the Jewish holiday... The attack targeted the Jewish community and is being investigated as an act of terrorism.” (Woody, 06:46)
  • Gunmen brought weapons and explosives, with the police managing to prevent far greater loss of life.
  • Audio eyewitness testimony further humanizes the tragedy. Survivor Tanya Cohen describes confusion, panic, and the sound of continuous gunfire:

    “We at first thought it was fireworks... The popping did not stop... Pandemonium broke out... Shooting seemed to go on for around eight or nine minutes.”
    —Tanya Cohen, eyewitness (11:10-12:30)

• Analysis & Reflection:

  • Woody emphasizes the senselessness and pervasiveness of hate, urging compassion and tolerance:

    “If you want to be Jewish, be Jewish. If you want to be Christian, be Christian... Nobody should hate you for what you believe in.”
    —Woody (09:48)

  • Both Overtons lament the tragic normalization of mass shootings and the chilling effect on community celebrations.

3. Counterterrorism Perspective & Australian Response (22:44-25:00)

• Expert guest Mary Eisen (retired IDF Colonel) highlights:
  • The attack was clearly coordinated, not a lone-wolf incident.
  • Urges government and media to clearly call out anti-Semitism and terrorism.
  • Flags risk of additional attacks during Hanukkah, calls for heightened vigilance.
• Frustration is expressed at political reluctance to explicitly name anti-Semitism and the real repercussions for community security.

  “This was an attack against Jews on the first night of Hanukkah. And it needs to be said.”
  —Mary Eisen (23:16)

4. Active Shooter at Brown University—Fear on US Campuses (26:30-31:00)

• Separate incident: Mass shooting at Brown University.
  • Nine wounded, two dead; suspect apprehended after police collaboration.
  • Woody notes ongoing need for emergency preparedness:

    “We have to train for these things now... I can remember a time when there was no alert about shelter in place.” (Woody, 28:45)

  • Chilling normalization of violence and its intended effect:

    “That’s what they want. It’s the very definition of terror.”
    —Woody (31:39)

5. A Brief Light Moment—Charlotte Rose, the Missing Dog (32:22-33:53)

• Cindy shares a lighter story: After an assault in San Francisco, a dog named Charlotte Rose fled the scene. Police and community are searching, with contact info provided.
  • The segment serves as a short respite from the episode’s heavier content.

6. Polk County, Florida: “Old School” Accountability for Crime (34:14-44:05)

• Hosted story: Sheriff Grady Judd arrests eight teenagers from a Philadelphia youth football team for organized shoplifting during a championship visit.
  • Judd uses the bust as a pointed critique of Pennsylvania’s perceived leniency:

    “If you hold kids accountable and responsible, they don’t do it... Ask and see if crime in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is at a 53-year low.”
    —Woody, quoting Grady Judd (39:48)

  • The teens executed a calculated plan to steal over $2,200 in goods, and Judd made their arrest public, including their mugshots.
  • The hosts discuss the consequences for the teens and their families, underscoring the message that accountability deters crime.

7. Return to Legal Frustrations & Ongoing Advocacy (44:10-50:58)

• Woody circles back to the failures in the homicide (Haley’s case), reiterating failures to pursue murder charges and DA inaction or empty promises.

  “There’s no way in the world it was anything but murder. And they know that. And... they butted it and did it politician style and tried to run over her...”
  —Woody (47:21)

• Community pressure, via Lifers, is credited for sustaining focus and pushing for real accountability, despite authorities’ reluctance.
• Woody expresses his limitations in sharing sensitive investigative information, despite outside pressure from victims’ families and listeners.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:42] “When people shoot themselves... there’s usually damage... had they gone [to the autopsy] in the first place, it would have been a homicide.” —Woody Overton
• [09:48] “Nobody should hate you for what you believe in. If it bothers you someone’s Jewish, get a hobby.” —Woody Overton
• [11:10] “We heard pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. At first we thought it was fireworks... And then pandemonium broke out.” —Tanya Cohen, Sydney eyewitness
• [23:16] “This was an attack against Jews on the first night of Hanukkah. And it needs to be said.” —Mary Eisen, Counterterrorism Expert
• [28:45] “We have to train for these things now... I can remember a time when there was no alert about shelter in place.” —Woody Overton
• [31:39] “That’s what they want. It’s the very definition of terror.” —Woody Overton
• [39:48] “If you hold kids accountable and responsible, they don’t do it.” —Woody Overton quoting Sheriff Grady Judd

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 02:02 | Woody updates on #JusticeForBradley and #JusticeForAO cases; legal mishandling of murder | | 05:55 | Breaking news: Hanukkah mass shooting in Sydney | | 11:10 | Eyewitness testimony from Sydney mass shooting | | 22:44 | Counterterrorism analysis from Mary Eisen | | 26:30 | Brown University campus shooting coverage | | 32:22 | Lighter story: Charlotte Rose, the missing dog | | 34:14 | Sheriff Grady Judd: youth football shoplifting arrests in Polk County, FL | | 44:10 | Woody returns to legal inaction and community advocacy | | 50:58 | Episode wrap-up and final advocacy call |

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Tone & Style

The episode balances Woody's signature blend of southern warmth, righteous indignation, gallows humor, and direct community engagement. The hosts’ candid reflections on violence, justice, and accountability are punctuated with real-world audio and victim impact statements, maintaining an urgent, empathetic, and sometimes gritty tone throughout.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Real people—real tragedy: Both major crime stories are anchored in the everyday realities of violence, fear, and loss.
• Advocacy matters: Persistent public pressure—from listeners and affected families—remains the only effective way to counter systemic indifference or misconduct.
• Terror’s agenda: The chilling normalization of public violence is designed to keep communities afraid—a fact not lost on the hosts, who urge vigilance without capitulation.
• Justice frustrations are personal: Woody’s anger and frustration at legal inertia is deeply personal, reflecting his investment in both victims and the true crime community.

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Final Note:
Loyal fans (“Lifers”) are encouraged to keep up the pressure on unsolved/ongoing cases (#JusticeForBradley, #JusticeForAO), celebrate small victories, and remember the human impact behind each headline. The world is often dark, but, as Woody and Cindy emphasize, it’s the constant pushing for accountability and compassion that moves the needle.

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For more, listeners are invited to join the Real Life Real Crime community app and follow ongoing updates directly from Woody Overton.

Transcript

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to this episode of True Crime time for Monday, December 15th, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

And it is colder cold, especially for south Louisiana and Norwood, which is technically where we're at. It said the. The temperature this morning was 22 degrees with a wind chill of around zero. Gosh cold, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yes, miserable.

[Woody Overton]

Fireplace is running, water taps running. And we got to repeat that again tonight. So y' all take care of your pipes and pets and all that good stuff and stay warm, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yes. And plants.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. I don't know how. Well, I'm not gonna say plants be dying anyway, but that is so nice. I didn't say your plants could be other people's plants. It is kind of true, though. All right, the hashtag just for Bradley, hashtag just for AO and y'. All, a lot of you lifers had not evidently gone because you were going back to listen to the series. That series. We have all the 911 calls. We have the. All the audio and video from the body, camera footage from the officers on the scene, from the interrogations of Brooks Cleary, the whole nine yards. And they were straight up murder. We had them, them being the detectives and everything else, saying it was murder. But what they. What happened was they sent Haley's they it up. They sent Haley's body to the autopsy, but they didn't send law enforcement. So when the. The pathologists conducted the autopsy, he. I mean, he just Had a young white female, you know, and her whole head was blown off the. Her whole brain. If you listen to one audio, the cops says, oh, my God, that's the most intact brain I've ever seen. But when you people shoot themselves, they put a. A barrel in their mouth. There usually is damage to. Or if somebody puts a barrel in your mouth and they shoot you, there's usually damage to the back of your tongue from where you try to like bite down the barrel and fight it. And so he was originally ruled it a suicide because he didn't have any. He didn't know about all the right that the cops knew, which was just a up. I mean, you can't. The pathologist is only as good as the information he's given. And so after he ruled it as a suicide, they went back to him and they gave him all the information. Then he changed his determination from suicide to undetermined. Had they gone in the first place, it would have been a homicide. So they ultimately convicted Brooks Cleary for moving and concealing a corpse. And he tore up the police interrogation room after X amount of hours. If you go listen to it. And he was just acting all kinds of crazy and like he just lied about everything in the whole nine yards. But we're going to play the second half of that call this week and then we're going to do a call to action because they just lied. The DA came back at the end of it and was like, oh, my gosh, we're going to investigate the new da. We're going to investigate this. And she's an old detective and made all these promises and we waited six months and they never did anything. This lifer started bringing pressure again. And so she said she was going to have a call very quickly with Haley's mom. And two more months went by and she never even called till life first brought the pressure. And then that you heard the first half of that bullshit call the other day. So on Bradley and Austin, y', all keep it up. Keep it up. Keep doing what you're doing, keep talking about it, keep making posts, keep doing whatever it's working. The case is being worked, worked, worked, worked. And not just by me. And that's all I can tell you. And I'll tell you more when I can tell you. And there's reasons I can't say the things that I can't say. So all that coming this week. And unfortunately, Cindy, I have to jump you two times this morning. It's time for Worldwide Crime. I don't think you know about this because, you know, we're recording a Sunday morning, y', all, and I always check the national and international news first thing when I get up. And I told y', all, this is the time of year where the hate and the murder happens, and there's absolutely ignorance on people. And we're going out to Australia and. A mass shooting during a Hanukkah celebration at Bondi beach in Sydney, Australia, on Sunday evening left at least 12 people dead and 29 people hospitalized. Did you know about this?

[Cindy Overton]

No, I did not.

[Woody Overton]

Just pure hatred, evil and. And so they. The annual celebration known as Hanukkah by the Sea was scheduled to kick off at 5pm to celebrate the first day of the Jewish holiday by lighting the first candle on the menorah. Police said the attack targeted the Jewish community and is being investigated as an act of terrorism. First day, you know, they do all the candle. They light a candle every day and everybody practice different. We don't care what you practice, right? The. The. These people care. So. The New South Wales Police Force said officers responded to reports of shots fired at about 6:45pm on Sunday. Police say there were at least two gunmen involved in the attack, and they are investigating the possibility of a third. Twelve people were killed in the shooting, including one of the two suspected gunmen. The second alleged shooter is in critical condition. At least 29 others were hospitalized after the shooting, including two police officers. The shooting is the worst attack against Jews since the October 7, 2023 Hamas terror attacks. Now, it could have been always. It could be a lot worse. I'm going to tell you why. Police say they found evidence of multiple improvised explosive devices in a vehicle near the scene of the attack. They said, we have our rescue bomb disposal unit there at the moment working on that, so. Israeli President Isaac Herzog acknowledged the attack while speaking at an event in Jerusalem and recognizing immigrants extraordinary achievements on Sunday. He said, at these very moments, our sisters and brothers in Sydney, Australia, have been attacked by vile terrorists in a very cruel attack on Jews who went to light the first candle of Hanukkah on Bondi Beach. Our hearts go out to them. The heart of the entire nation of Israel misses a beat at this very moment as we pray for the recovery of the wounded and we pray for them and we pray for those who lost their lives. Herzog also called on the Australian government to seek action and fight against the enormous wave of anti Semitism which is plaguing Australian society. We all. By the time you hear this, I'm sure there'll Be a lot more to it. But the, you know, Australia has one of the toughest gun laws in the world. I mean, you have to go through all kinds of hoops and everything else. I know this from different lifers over the years. Actually send me a picture like their pistol. Pistol being singular. And how much money they had to spend to get the right to do that. Well, you know what, Two police officers are dead also, right? And the. They went there with hate in their heart. They. And they went in kill to kill all these people and wound all these people and thank God the bombs didn't go off and kill a thousand more, but they went with hate in their heart. And that's those world has too much hate in his heart. And the. If, you know, if you want to be Jewish, be Jewish. If you want to be Christian, be Christian. You want to be Muslim, be Muslim. I. Nobody should hate you for what you believe in. You know, if it. I mean, if it bothers you to somebody's Jewish, then go get a hobby. Go do something. Let them be Jewish. Right? I mean, it's none of your business. I'm gonna play a little. Little clip for y' all from some of the witnesses that were there.

[Interviewer]

All right, we have a witness to the tragic shooting in Australia whose brother was working security and also stayed back to help resuscitate survivors. Tanya Cohen joining us now. Tanya, what can you tell us about what. What you saw and what your brother was doing?

[Tanya Cohen]

So I'm an American citizen. I'm in Australia visiting my family who live in Bondi, and my brother was volunteering and working at security at the Hanukkah Festival on Bondi Beach. I arrived around 6:45pm I was running a bit late, and as soon as I arrived, we heard pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. We at first thought it was fireworks, so we did not react. People around us did not react. And then the popping did not stop. It was continuous. And then people started to panic and we started to see hundreds of people running around, not sure where the sound was coming from. Unsure again if it was fire, fireworks, or if it was shooting bullets. And then when it did not stop, we all then realized it was an active shooter. And pandemonium broke out. And hundreds of people were running across a busy road where cars were still moving towards safety. The restaurants nearby, people were jumping under the tables and jumping to get shelter. And this shooting seemed to go on for, I would say, around eight or nine minutes. It did not stop and it was continuous.

[Interviewer]

So when you all fled from the beach, and went across the busy road into the restaurants and people were hiding underneath of tables there. Were you still being fired on across the street?

[Tanya Cohen]

Yes. It went on again for about eight or nine minutes. So we immediately realized about two or three minutes in when people started to panic and run and then joined in to that. But the shooting just continued and we were quite near where that bridge was. But the shooter at that time was aimed towards the festival, not towards the pedestrians on the road. So thank goodness we were not in the sight of the shooter, but we were right by them. So you're so based on what you just said right now, you can confirm that this was indeed, as the government has said, a targeted shooting. This was a targeted terrorist attack on the Jewish community of Sydney at a Hanukkah festival where over a thousand people were gathered to celebrate a Jewish holiday, the Festival of Lights. There were children there, there were babies there, there were families there, and there were rabbis there, one of which is now deceased.

[Interviewer]

And just lastly, Tanya, in the time we have a few seconds, but your brother was also trying to help to resuscitate people.

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[Tanya Cohen]

That is correct. My brother was volunteering and doing security and he joined in to help resuscitate victims and is actually still on the scene helping out authorities with the efforts to ensure people's safety on the ground.

[Interviewer]

God bless you, Tanya, God bless your.

[News Reporter]

Family and everybody you're with there.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, you see all I think I know, it gets lost us telling you these stories and it's another mass shooting, you know, 29 people dead in this one or however many people they had. 12 dead, 29 when whatever. These are real people and they were real. It's a real crowd of people with their, you know, imagine if you had us or one year old grandbaby in your arms and you're having to run because these are just there to kill you because of your beliefs.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And it's real, people, it's real. It's real hatred and the evil is real. We need less of it in the world. And yeah, it's just crazy. One more because this is still ongoing.

[Interviewer]

So let's bring in retired colonel, IDF.

[News Reporter]

Intelligence officer and Reichman University International Institute.

[Interviewer]

For Counterterrorism Director Mary Eisen. Thank you for joining us this morning. You know, one of the things that Australian officials talked about is that the current threat level, they call it probable, which they define as meaning 50% possibility that there could be another attack or an ongoing attack there in Australia. What does that tell you?

[Mary Eisen]

We're looking at an attack that was done by two men that we already saw. There's a probability that there were additional ones. Meaning first off, it's not a lone wolf attack. This is something where they came together, they came with weapons, they probably came in a car with the possibility of A car. You could have additional weaponry out there. You could have explosives. This could have been let's first attack the festival of light, the Hanukkah festival, the Jew on the beach. And then in addition add in additional types of weaponry. As I say, explosives of different type. So when we're talking about a heightened level, I'm assuming that right now the New South Wales police that the Australian Prime Minister just mentioned are looking at these different men who they were connected to, where they were. Are there additional explosives? And even more than that, Hanukkah is eight nights. This is the first night. Are there additional targets? Synagogues, different Jewish places? And if I'm allowed. One point which really disturbed me when I was listening to the Prime Minister of Australia is he did not say the word Jewish. He did not say the word terrorist. It was all about equality. This was attack against Jews on the first night of Hanukkah. And it needs to be said.

[Interviewer]

Yeah, Mary, it's a great point. We flagged that earlier in the initial statement. Of course during the press conference. Albanese did. Went on to say speak about the rise of anti Semitism and calling it an act of terrorism. What's interesting to me though is you did hear from the. The press in Australia. They were really pressing Prime Minister Albanese about whether or not his government has done enough to take to.

[Woody Overton]

He will pause on that. Y'. All. The. The. I played that because sin already knows what I'm going to say that this is the beginning and if they don't catch him before they execute. As a bad word but before they execute their next plan of attack which is coming and it's not. I don't believe it's just going to be Australia and that's the world that we live in. The. And this time, you know, they celebrate with light and candles. Naturally they're not celebrating Jesus birthday but we are celebrating Jesus birthday and it's just hatred for anything. Yeah. And. And unfortunately. And I want to jinx it but it's. It's probably by the time you hear this something else has already happened. So I don't.

[Cindy Overton]

Unfortunately people are going to be cautious and stop their celebrations to avoid having something like this.

[Woody Overton]

I don't blame you out of. I know I wouldn't let. Let my kids go exactly. To Bondi beach and. And celebrate anything or in Australia or.

[Cindy Overton]

Any whatever saying if we had a local celebration here.

[Woody Overton]

You know, you're right.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You're absolutely right. And we shouldn't have to live in that world. That's part of the point that I'm making. All right, going to the next story now. This happened just a little before this, y'. All. This is all thanks to FOX News. The we're going to Brown University. Do you know about that?

[Cindy Overton]

I just saw a headline, but I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

Well, unfortunately, there was an active shooter at Brown University and the I'm playing a little bit about it. Okay.

[News Reporter]

We are able to report that we have detained a person of interest involved in yesterday's shooting. Colonel Perez will speak in a minute about that update. Second, I want to let the Providence community know that effective immediately, we are lifting the shelter in place for Brown and the related area. Campus Communications pushed out an update to that effect a little while ago and the city of Providence, through our official channels, is making that update now. Again, the shelter in place has been lifted for the city of Providence. Finally, I'll note on just an update on the individuals who are recovering at Rhode Island Hospital. There remain seven individuals in stable condition, one in critical but stable condition and one has been discharged. Those are the nine individuals injured yesterday. We talked yesterday multiple times about the tremendous cooperation and amount of law enforcement resources that were made available to us. And I want to offer my profound thanks to all the hardworking men and women in law enforcement who worked through the night to be able to get us to this point where we can confirm that there is a person of interest who has been detained. This is exactly the kind of collaboration that we train for and that we hope for our partnership with the FBI, with the state police and obviously the heroic actions of the Providence police have brought us to this point. But it is with sincere gratitude that we have for our law enforcement partners who work so closely together.

[Woody Overton]

And yeah, that goes without saying that I should say it even in Australia, like the lady said, her brother still on the scene working, etc. The unfortunate the we have to train for these things now or they have to train for these things now because it could happen anywhere. But I mean, I certainly can remember a time in my life when there was no alerts about shelter in place.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

And now they are. But let me tell you, and this would be the only time you hear about it from us unless something else happens because I don't believe in talking about these.

[Tanya Cohen]

Good morning. We begin with a FOX News alert. A person of interest is now in custody after a shooter opened fire at Brown University, killing two students and injuring nine others.

[Interviewer]

Brian Yunus is live in Providence, Rhode island, with the very latest. Brian, what can you tell us? Good morning Guys. Well, police tell me that this person of interest was captured at a hotel in Coventry, Rhode island at 3:45 this morning. This is about 17 miles south of Providence and Brown University, a less than a half hour drive from where we are now. The police had a press conference this morning confirming that this is this person you see on this screen, this person of interest. They have captured this suspected gunman. They did not give us any more information as to what may have led to this arrest. We know that this is the only video that has been made public. It shows the suspected gunman or person of interest walking out of the Engineering and Physics building right after the shooting at 4pm yesterday. Here are what officials told us this morning just, just about an hour ago.

[News Reporter]

Listen to all the hard working men and women in law enforcement who work.

[Woody Overton]

And, and I already played y' all that part. But the, it was a lone cat, you know, killed two more people and, and wounded another nine for who knows what the. His reason is.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And the engineering building at Brown University, one of the most universities in the country. And unfortunately Rhode island does not have the death penalty. I mean maybe they'll pick up federal charters or something and get them on that. I don't know. It's just ridiculous. I mean, and, but unfortunately that's not going to be the last you're going to hear because the shit's going to continue to hit the fan for the rest of the holiday season. Nothing gets a little national news like just going to murder and a bunch of innocent, innocent people.

[Tanya Cohen]

Yeah.

[Podcast Sponsor/Host]

For no reason.

[Cindy Overton]

No. So just for the news attention that they're getting and people afraid to go do anything and afraid to celebrate and afraid.

[Woody Overton]

That's what they want. It's the very definition of terror.

[Cindy Overton]

Yep.

[Woody Overton]

And the, you know, not saying that I wouldn't stay home to you away from those events because I'm definitely not going to one but you know, terror, it's working and, and old hand like me says that I'm not going and then, then they win. But you know what, you got to keep your. Do what you got to do. Protect your family. I don't know.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

So, all right. What you got on this on this day? Prayers for everybody.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, I've been. I got something a lot lighter.

[Woody Overton]

It's time for beast mode.

[Cindy Overton]

We're going to San Francisco. And there are people searching for a dog who ran away. So around 3.30pm on Sunday, officers from the Department Central Station were called to post in Leavenworth streets in the city's downtown and they had reports of an assault, but when officers arrived, they found a 65 year old victim and paramedics transported the victim to a nearby hospital for life threatening injuries. Officers were told that the assault took place after the unknown suspect briefly interacted with the victim. The suspect had kicked the victim's dog named Charlotte Rose, and the dog ran away. Charlotte Rose was last seen walking southbound on Leavenworth street and photos shared by police showed the dog was wearing a sweater and still had a leash attached and the dog was microchipped, according to officers. And they are just asking for any anyone with information about the whereabouts of Charlotte Rose to please contact San Francisco Police at 415-575-4444. That's a lot lighter than what we've been talking about. For sure.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Well tis the season and we're 10 days away. Jesus. Birthday. Right. So I'm going to end this show today. On we go on to almost my favorite sheriff. You know where it is?

[Cindy Overton]

Is that the oak the other. I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

How many days have you been sitting here and then how many hours do you edit?

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

Polk County, Polk County, Florida, almost.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh. Because the first favorite sheriff would be Shay Jasonard.

[Podcast Sponsor/Host]

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[Cindy Overton]

I'm sorry. Yes.

[Woody Overton]

I knew Polk county going down to Florida visit. Oh Sheriff Grady Judd. And I'm not gonna play any audio or anything for y'. All. I'll just read you the story. The pretty interesting. This dude doesn't take any and he doesn't give a what the political stance are. He's. He takes the law enforcement stance, right? Yeah. You don't care what kind of blowback he's on. The catch. So Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd turned the rest of a traveling youth football team into a referendum on crime policies this weekend, drawing a sharp contrast between how the law is enforced in Florida versus how they enforce it up in Pennsylvania. Ready?

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

So eight members of the United Thoroughbreds, which is a youth team from Philadelphia, were arrested Saturday morning for coordinated shoplifting scheme at Dick's Boarding Goods. Now, while the teenagers face felony charges, Sheriff Judd used the incident to send a pointed message to officials in their home state. He's gone out the whole state of Pennsylvania law enforcement. Judd said a lack of consequences back home may have emboldened the teens to commit crimes while visiting Florida. Judd noted that crime in Polk county, that crime in Polk county is at an all time 53 year low.

[Cindy Overton]

Good for him.

[Woody Overton]

He's where they know he's handling that ass.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

If he can. He's going to get on the national news and embarrass your ass, right? He said in a quote. Listen, I don't know how you do things in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania still stop in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania and get away with it. Hey y', all, you know I don't do the laundry in our house, but.

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[Woody Overton]

Hey, here's a note to the people in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. If you hold kids accountable and responsible, they don't do it. Ask and see if Crime in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is at a 53 year low. The sheriff's comments came after deputies dismantled what they described as an organized theft ring run by the players who were in town for the Pro Flix National Championship.

[Podcast Sponsor/Host]

According to the Sheriff's office, the eight.

[Woody Overton]

Teenagers aged 14 and 15 entered the store in Davenport with one plan. One player purchased a small item to get a legitimate store bag, which the group then used to conceal more than $2,200 worth of merchandise. The stolen goods included high end Nike athletic wear and specific football accessories like Jolly Rancher flavored mouth guards and chrome back plates. Gracious deputies were waiting though, when they attempted to leave.

[Cindy Overton]

Good.

[Woody Overton]

The consequences extend beyond the legal charges. The team was scheduled to play in a championship game later that same Saturday. And I mean, what the before we played games we watched Rocky and had a meal. Yeah, yeah. Roast beef or something.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Anyway, the instead of taking the field, the players were transported to Juvenile Assessment Center Quotations these juveniles came here from out of state for a football tournament and instead of representing their team with pride, they chose to commit a crime, Judd added. The teens have been charged with retail theft over $750 in conspiracy to commit retail theft. Their coach requines identified the players at the scene. Records from Philadelphia indicate none of the teens had a prior arrest histories, a fact Judd leveraged to underscore his point about strict enforcement serving as a deterrent. So and that's all of it on that. But can you fucking imagine then now so they stole $2,200 worth of. I didn't. Who even knew they mouth guards in the flavors of Jolly Ranchers.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, the ball players did. But these are supposed to be, like, successful. Like, that's right. You know, like the best of their game. That's the best potential.

[Woody Overton]

We're not hating on Philly or Pennsylvania. We're just hating on the fact that these assholes went down there and embarrassed y'. All. Now, think about this. The. I'm sure they had fundraisers to get the money to go and all that stuff, and they could have won a national championship. And. But the morning you're supposed to be resting up, you had a coordinated plan to go in. It's still stupid shit. Now all their parents, if they weren't in town already, all their parents have to travel down there. And the. I mean, I guess they got to stay until today sometime or whenever. When they go before the judge. They're detainees because they don't like to say kids got arrested. They're. That they got arrested as they should have been. And. But they're detainees, juvenile detainees. And they have to go before juvenile judge and get put in the system and it ain't over. It's going to cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars in attorney fees and traveling and probation fees and. And whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

And he's not gonna make it easy on.

[Woody Overton]

No, he shouldn't make it easy. The one thing they did, and y' all can see it online, is that he posted all their mug shots.

[Cindy Overton]

Good.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, but they're just, you know, she's not supposed to do that. I'm sure he'll catch for that. But, you know, it just goes to the state of the world today, bro. And I don't get it. The.

[Cindy Overton]

But that was highly coordinated, in my opinion, for being 14 and 15 year olds, to know to buy the bag, to conceal the stuff and all of that. Just because they don't have a record doesn't mean they haven't done it before.

[Woody Overton]

You are absolutely correct. I'm sure they've done it many times before.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You don't just decide to be on your championship trip and go still over 2000, 2200 dollars worth of. Yeah. In this.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Back plates, Jolly Rancher mouth guards, Nike clothing.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Hope it was worth it. And, you know, it is what it is. So. I. I don't know. I don't understand. Almost to the point of being apprehensive about what's going to happen next, but that is, again, the very definition of terror. That's what they want. Just like in burning pairs. Yeah, the bad people want Bradley and Austin's case to go away. They want us to quit talking about it. They want that. Cobb County, Georgia, where Haley's case was. We brought so much heat and got the news coverage and got them to, you know, the DA actually called Ms. Barbara and me with her and call her at home on a Sunday and stuff like that. You really thought things were going to happen. And then they just butt it and did it politician style and tried to run over her. Kudos for her for standing up. Y' all listen to the first part of that phone call. Wait till you hear the second. And her sustain to standing up to them. And double jeopardy, my fucking ass. The. The. You know, there's no way they didn't try him for the murder. They tried him for moving a dead body. The. The. And look, there's simple things and I talk about on that series that they could have done. They. They all. They were at a restaurant earlier that day and Brooks got kicked out by the staff. Right? There were other people in the restaurant. Why not find out what he was wearing right before the shooting happened, A young man in the parking lot saw. She kicked him out. And he's sitting on the. And he saw what he was wearing. Why didn't they ever ask this kid what he was wearing? And the neighbor that heard the gunshot, then it was 10 to 15 minutes later when he goes downstairs and run and bang on doors. Oh, help me, Help me plan this crying game. And it's all recorded. We got it all recorded. And he's saying that she fell and hit her head, that she seasoned or whatever. And yeah, it's just such a crock of shit. There's so much more that they could have done, so many more people they could have talked to, but they didn't do it. They told they were going to do it. DA said for Cobb county, and we got to record it. Y' all said, I'm putting my top investigator on this. And she called or sent the email and said, I don't want you to put one of your guys on it. I want you to get on it. And they didn't do a fucking thing. That Ms. Barbara, you know, you heard on this call this week, she said, you didn't talk to him. You didn't talk to. You go talk to any of the witnesses. The. Any of those people could tell you that he changed clothes. Any of those people could. There's another person that heard the gunshot. You didn't talk to Him. And you know that another thing was consistent in the statements was they were sitting in the apartment playing on their phones all day. Well, the. If he said it, he didn't know she was shot. Right. It's total. He moved all the way across the room. We have all the video and the crime scene photos. A lot of them are put over patreon of convicts, but a lot of it, I still blacked out. Just because you just don't need to see it. It wouldn't do anything but sensationalize it. But there's no way in the world it was anything but murder. And they know that. And they were like, well, we can't try it. It's double jet. Pretty much. The. It's not double jeopardy. You never tried him for the murder. Yeah, you could find one. And the second of all the. The. They never took it to a grand jury for murder. They took it for the bullshit charges you got. You true lifers who've been here since the beginning. That and David Constance and Christina Constance. When the DA sit outside the room and told me, we are not going for any aggravated rapes. Don't you say anything about it. Da, da, da, da. Fuck went in there. I knew. I thought I was going to get fired. And I said, aggravated rape, aggravated rape. I said the truth. And, well, you know, one thing they didn't get in that the grand jury, when they got the indictment for that is the truth. And the. There's nobody in the room. The prosecutors spin it, whatever, whichever way they want to. And there's. There's no witnesses. It's a secret grand jury for a reason. Yeah. And that's why they say you can indict a ham sandwich. But they never went for it. And therefore it's not double. It's not double jeopardy because he never went to trial. He was never arrested and found not guilty for murdering Haley. He murdered her. And then we're not done with it yet. She doesn't want the bad publicity. She just won the District Attorney of the Year award for, you know, domestic violence.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, yeah, yeah. We're gonna. We're gonna. We're going to keep up the pressure on that. But Hashtag just for Bradley. Hashtag just for ao. Y' all are so very important. If I wish I. You know, right now, Morgan Bag is mad as hell at me. And you know what? That's okay. She could be mad. I can't do what I can't do. And what I can't do is jeopardize this investigation. And I'M not going to do it. I'm not going to do it. No. I mean, yes, it's her ex husband and Oliver's father and all that. And I tell her what I can and talk to her when I can, but the Morgan has her own set ideas and everything, which I'm not saying they're not correct, but she. I can't give her or y' all or anyone else any information that I think might hurt the case. So Morgan love you to death. Just can't tell you anything right now, sweetie. And you'll be glad in the end. As though Scarface said when he's talking about his wife and he's in the bathtub and he said and smoking a cigar, storing cocaine and it was full of Mingos on tv. He said, look at the pretty pelicans fly. Pelicans flying. And she came in and said, you're so trash. You're gonna give me a baby. You're so polluted. And she got mad and called an walked out. He said, ah, take another quail. You should love me again in the morning. Well, Morgan, I'm not telling you to take quail aid, sweetheart. Just take a chill pill and hang in there. And all you life is hanging there. It's coming. We're gonna keep up the heat on our end, y'.

[Cindy Overton]

All.

[Woody Overton]

Keep up the heel and you're in. And I don't have anything else.

[Cindy Overton]

Me either.

[Woody Overton]

All right. Love and appreciate each and every one of y'. All. Thank you, Patreon convicts. Y' all go download the Real Life for Crime community app for free. Everything is in there. The. The. There's some stuff, some episodes are missing or whatever. It's being fixed. And.

[Podcast Sponsor/Host]

That'S it.

[Woody Overton]

I'm Woody Overton. I'm Cindy Overton, the host of True Crime. Time for this Monday, December 15th. Mahalacha Air Peace.

[Interviewer]

A new phone for Billy.

[Woody Overton]

A necklace for Sam.

[Interviewer]

All the while on the lookout for scams. A swipe here and tap there.

[Woody Overton]

Better make it go far.

[Interviewer]

Turns out mom didn't know she needs.

[Woody Overton]

A new car this year.

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