True Crime Time For December 23, 2025 | Holiday Violence, Family Tragedy, and Infamous Christmas Crimes

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime: “True Crime Time For December 23, 2025 | Holiday Violence, Family Tragedy, and Infamous Christmas Crimes”

Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Release Date: December 23, 2025
Episode Focus: Exploring chilling Christmas crimes, family tragedies, and the peculiar uptick in violence during the holidays, with true stories, dark humor, and Woody & Cindy’s signature storytelling.

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Episode Overview

Woody and Cindy Overton gather for a raw, spirited episode on the cusp of Christmas, blending personal holiday memories with shocking, real-life crime stories surrounding the holiday season. The episode weaves together light-hearted recollections and dark tales, highlighting the disturbing reality that “blood hits the ground on the holidays.” Memorable cases—from fresh tragedies to infamous historic mass murders—are dissected with feeling, candor, and a touch of Southern irreverence.

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Festive Banter, Personal Memories, and Listener Updates

Timecodes: 03:16–10:07

• Holiday Cheer & Toy Stories:
  Woody and Cindy open with playful banter about favorite Christmas toys, like Strawberry Shortcake dolls and GI Joes, interspersed with Southern humor and gentle teasing.

  • Quote: “I have never ever shot at a Christmas decoration.” – Woody (04:11)
  • Quote: “Let this be the last Christmas the bad people that took Bradley and Austin from us...get to breathe free Christmas air. My death or incarceration, I don't give a fuck.” – Woody (08:21)

• Ongoing Advocacy:
  Woody briefly mentions the Bradley and Austin case, reaffirming his commitment to justice and advocating for listeners to keep sending in tips.

  • “Continue calling your tips—313RLRC tips. They work. They work.” (05:04)

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Segment 1: Recent Holiday Crime – Tennessee Domestic Homicide

Timecodes: 10:07–12:16

• Cindy spotlights a tragic, recent case out of Dixon, Tennessee:

  • Victim: Taylor Cheyenne Rattery, 17
  • Suspect: Hunter Jackson, ex-boyfriend, 18
  • Incident: Following a heated argument in his moving car, Rattery attempted escape, was prevented, and was fatally shot.
  • Law enforcement investigations continue; authorities cite a history as “former romantic partners.”

• Quote: “Another domestic, domestic death—murder. Not death, murder. Murder, murder.” – Woody (12:16)

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Segment 2: “Effed Up Professionals” – Horror at the Funeral Home

Timecodes: 12:16–27:55

• Woody tells of a California family’s traumatic experience with a mortuary following the death of Alexander Pinion:

  • The Pinion family, seeking closure, requested a change of clothing for their loved one at the funeral home.
  • Instead of his clothes, a biohazard bag containing Alexander’s brain matter was returned to his father, who unwittingly discovered it while doing laundry.
  • The funeral director failed to apologize or account for the mistake; a lawsuit followed, citing severe trauma.
  • Quote: “The bag did not contain any clothing, but it contained human brain matter...so now looking at his son’s brain in his washing machine. Can you imagine?” – Woody (14:33)
  • Quote: “Discovering one’s child’s brain matter in a washing machine is a horror no family should ever endure.” (26:39)

• Woody & Cindy reflect on the importance of caring professionals, contrasting this with their own positive experiences with local funeral homes.

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Segment 3: Family Matters – Florida Double Homicide by One Woman

Timecodes: 28:14–32:19

• Cindy recaps a bizarre and chilling “family matter” out of Citrus County, Florida:
  • Suspect: Susan Erica Avalon, 48
  • Crime: Killed two of her ex-husbands in two different counties on the same day, using a Panera Bread order as bait for one victim.
  • Evidence included her cleaning her van with bleach and a flippant attitude when interrogated: “Which one?” she replied when asked about her ex-husband (30:53).
  • Facing charges of second-degree murder as her case unfolds; prosecutors are seeking first-degree charges due to aggravating circumstances.

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Segment 4: Christmas Crime Time – Notorious and Little-Known Holiday Crimes

Timecodes: 32:34–49:49

• Holiday Homicide as a Pattern:
  Woody reflects as a retired investigator, noting: “Blood hits the ground on the holidays.” He recalls working a Christmas homicide where a man was found burned in a car—tragically, not an isolated event.

• Infamous Cases:

  • JonBenét Ramsey (34:16)
    The unsolved 1996 murder of the 6-year-old beauty queen is discussed as an infamous holiday crime still haunting the public and law enforcement.

  • The Sodder Children Disappearance (34:44):
    In 1945, five children vanished following a Christmas Eve house fire in West Virginia. Their bodies were never found, spawning decades of speculation and sorrow.

• Notorious Massacre: Ronald Gene Simmons (37:01–49:49)

  • Over Christmas 1987 in Arkansas, Simmons murdered 16 people—including 14 members of his own family—in the worst mass murder involving a single family in U.S. history.
  • Woody details the harrowing sequence:
    • Bludgeoned, shot, and drowned family members, including children as young as three.
    • Invited older children for an “after Christmas dinner” before killing them.
    • After days living with the bodies, Simmons killed two co-workers and shot additional victims before surrendering.
    • Tried, convicted, and executed by lethal injection in 1990, Simmons left a note revealing a twisted love-hate relationship with his daughter.
  • Quote: “Simmons told Jackson, ‘I've come to do what I wanted to do. It's all over now. I've gotten everybody who wanted to hurt me.’ He then surrendered...You can’t make this shit up.” – Woody (45:55 & 46:33)
  • Quote (On Execution): “His last words were, ‘Justice delayed. Finally being done is justifiable homicide.’ And no family members claimed the body.” (48:56)

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Segment 5: Closing Notes – Lighthearted Christmas Crime Oddities

Timecodes: 49:49–55:17

• The Naked Chimney Burglar (2010, Seattle):

  • Would-be thief got naked to sneak in via chimney, got hopelessly stuck, shouted for help, and was rescued/arrested. He claimed to police, “I am Santa Claus.”
  • Woody jokes about “hairy Christmas toy sacks” as the homeowners came home to an unexpected sight (50:34).

• The Grinch of Ontario (2012):

  • In Kingston, Ontario, a drunken man walked alongside a Christmas parade and told every child, “Santa Claus ain’t real—it’s your mama and your daddy.”
  • Cindy and Woody laugh at the sheer audacity and mean-spiritedness, with Cindy amazed no parent stopped him (52:49).

• Personal Stories:
  Woody jokes about how long to keep Santa's secret with his own kids and shares family Christmas dynamics with Cindy, affirming the joy of giving.

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Final Thoughts & Sign-Off

Timecodes: 55:17–56:55

• The episode closes with a candid, affectionate exchange about Christmas traditions in the Overton family.
• Woody expresses gratitude, playfully reminding listeners: “She gets Christmas every day, 365 days a year. As do I.” (55:44)
• The duo wish listeners a heartfelt Merry Christmas and sign off with warmth and characteristic Southern charm.

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Memorable Quotes

• “Let this be the last Christmas the bad people that took Bradley and Austin from us...get to breathe free Christmas air.” – Woody (08:21)
• “The bag did not contain any clothing, but it contained human brain matter…so now looking at his son’s brain in his washing machine. Can you imagine?” – Woody (14:33)
• “Blood hits the ground on the holidays.” – Woody (32:34)
• “Simmons told Jackson, ‘I've come to do what I wanted to do. It's all over now. I've gotten everybody who wanted to hurt me.’” (45:55)
• “His last words were, ‘Justice delayed. Finally being done is justifiable homicide.’” (48:56)
• On revealing Santa wasn’t real: “I never do that to a kid… Only did it to mine.” – Woody (53:08)
• “She gets Christmas every day, 365 days a year. As do I.” – Woody (55:44)

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Key Timestamps

• 03:16: Opening banter, Christmas toy nostalgia
• 08:21: Ongoing cold case advocacy, #JusticeForBradley
• 10:07: Tennessee domestic homicide case
• 12:16: Brain matter mortuary horror in California
• 28:14: Florida woman kills two ex-husbands
• 32:34: Christmas as a high crime period; personal law enforcement anecdote
• 34:16: JonBenét Ramsey murder
• 34:44: Sodder children disappearance, 1945
• 37:01: Deep dive into Ronald Gene Simmons’ Christmas massacre
• 49:49: Naked Christmas burglar & The Grinch of Ontario
• 55:17: Family reflections and closing holiday wishes

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Tone and Style

• Language/Tone: Down-to-earth, unfiltered, Southern storytelling; a mix of gallows humor and deep empathy for victims and families.
• Woody and Cindy’s dynamic is playful, affectionate, and peppered with in-jokes and teasing.
• The episode seesaws between dark, shocking crime details and light, often irreverent, holiday anecdotes.

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Best For

• True crime aficionados interested in holiday-related cases
• Listeners looking for a blend of personal storytelling, dark humor, and professional law enforcement insights
• Fans of the Overtons’ candid, emotionally authentic style

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Merry Christmas from Real Life Real Crime!

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[Woody Overton]

Hello, everybody and welcome to this episode of true crime. Time for Tuesday, December 23rd, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

And it's Merry Christmas Eve Eve.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

The day before Santa Claus drops bombs. Yeah. And love. Love and cheer and all that. I don't shoot Santa Claus. The if the weather was better I probably would be hunting. And make sure I see a big old bug that it's not Rudolph. I don't want to kill Santa Claus shit.

[Cindy Overton]

It's not a good idea to kill Santa Claus's shit.

[Woody Overton]

Right? The But I'm sure there's some drunk asshole out there that's going to take shots at him.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm sure there's a lot of drunks that have ridden around shooting at all those things in people's yards over the years.

[Woody Overton]

I have never ever shot at a Christmas decoration.

[Cindy Overton]

I have. Wasn't saying Woody Overton or swim. I just said there's plenty of people that do.

[Woody Overton]

I'm sure there are. And shame on them. So the little bit of Christmas here and we love y' all and Merry Christmas and all that good shit. Right? All that good podcast or shit. Hashtag just for Bradley. Hashtag just for ao. Stay on track people. I didn't murder them. I took on this case. Never going to get off of it. The no matter how long it takes. If it ends tomorrow. For it ends 50 years from now. One in or however long I got left then never going to get off of it. So Continue calling your tips 313RLRC tips.

[Co-host/Guest]

They work.

[Woody Overton]

They work. They work. And I can't tell you anything. Wish I could. You don't think I'm working it? You don't like the route it's going. Turn this shit off now. But that being said, let's roll with some true crime time for the day before Christmas Eve.

[Cindy Overton]

All right.

[Woody Overton]

All right. Favorite Christmas present you ever got.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm going to go with my little strawberry shortcakes. I love them so much.

[Woody Overton]

You do like sweet salt.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, they were the little dolls that smelled. I was mesmerized by them.

[Woody Overton]

I totally know that. I'm just messing with you. Late night sweet attacks.

[Cindy Overton]

That's true.

[Woody Overton]

So.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

But we don't ever have strawberry shortcakes. I only had it a couple times. I do remember those dolls. You remember?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

I can remember all the big rages like the Cabbage Patch Kids. And I can remember. Oh my God. The very first computer that ever came out with a green screen. That was about my daddy's or I'm sorry Santa Claus's present to our whole family. We had to share that one. Yeah. But distinctly remember my favorite Christmases were the first compound bow I ever got. It was a Golden Eagle 3. And then my first big rifle ever got ruger mark or M77 270 with a Leopold golden ring 2x7 scope bolt action.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. Well I just remembered as you were saying that I think Underoos super. I mean Wonder Woman underooves were probably another one of my favorite.

[Woody Overton]

Spider man camera. I had a Spider man camera. I'm obviously made out of hard place but it had a 9 millimeter film. The. I had a Spider man doll. My GI Joes. And I got one I'm about to really fuck you up on. But I love My GI Joe's are big GI Joe's.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

The kung fu grip.

[Cindy Overton]

Dubs says.

[Woody Overton]

Oh and I had like the forts and shit. The headquarters and stuff for them. But then. Then no, not quite bad. My mama always made it a good Christmas or Santa Claus always made a good Christmas. But I got one for you. You ready for this? And it just hit me. One of my all time favorite toys. Wee Blaze.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh like weevils wobbles and we don't fall down.

[Woody Overton]

Is it webways.

[Co-host/Guest]

Whatever the.

[Woody Overton]

They were like little egg shaped dudes. It wasn't ball down.

[Co-host/Guest]

So I had this little tree house.

[Woody Overton]

And had a hidden door on it. You could put your weeblo behind it.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't want to steal. I. I would have to agree. That was a pretty cool Stompers.

[Co-host/Guest]

What about stompers? Stompers were the.

[Woody Overton]

These little. These little. I must have been like 7 years old little vehicles. They ran off a single double A battery and that it would go underwater. It would. Yeah. It was like a big truck but a miniature big truck. Yeah. And we'd go out there and make a mud puddle and just let our stoppers run through it. And my army men.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Oh my God.

[Woody Overton]

I had boxes full of little plastic green armor.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

I actually liked my big wheel too. That end.

[Woody Overton]

Oh.

[Co-host/Guest]

Big wheels and bicycles.

[Woody Overton]

Holy. Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

Good times.

[Woody Overton]

And it's Christmas time and I hope y' all all get what you want and love and peace and all that good stuff. Oh and let's let this be the last Christmas the bad people that took Bradley and Austin from us that they get to breathe free Christmas air? My death or incarceration, I don't give a fuck. And the spring Bradley home. All right, that's enough about me. Okay, you better. We gotta hurry up so you can get in the kitchen, make me some savory treats. Oh my gosh. I'm getting this. A shrimp. Wow. Do y' all know what pick a pepper is?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Co-host/Guest]

You found it. Yeah. Oh, so you were a falsehooder last year?

[Cindy Overton]

There were. They weren't. There was none.

[Woody Overton]

I was secretly having a panic, hell, my entire life. Pick a pepper. It's got two uses. One, you pour it over cream cheese and eat it with a Ritz cracker. Two, it goes in my shrimp dip.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

And Cindy told me unequivocally last year they did not make pick a pepper.

[Cindy Overton]

Anymore because last year they literally did not.

[Woody Overton]

They didn't have a website, they didn't have.

[Co-host/Guest]

I'm not disputing it.

[Woody Overton]

I'm just saying what you told me last year, I didn't dispute. I didn't dispute it. But thank you Jesus for sweet baby Jesus for bringing pickled pepper back.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes. Because when I went to I actually bought extra bottles because I'm so afraid of happening what happened last year to happen again.

[Woody Overton]

Why don't you buy them a bottle of crime?

[Cindy Overton]

We're going to Tennessee for this one.

[Woody Overton]

Which part?

[Cindy Overton]

Dixon. And There was a 17 year old girl who was fatally shot on Tuesday, December 16th. She attempted to escape from her ex boyfriend's vehicle while it was obviously in motion. So that's why it's a Planes, trains and automobiles. And so according to Dixon Police Department, the victim, who's Taylor Cheyenne Rattery, she was picked up from her former boyfriend Hunter Jackson, who was 18 years old, after she left work around 8pm and during that ride, apparently they got into a heated argument and she tried to get out of the moving vehicle. But Jackson prevented her from getting out and during the struggle he shot her inside of his car. Officers were dispatched to the area near the intersection of Highway 70 east and Hensley Drive. And because they had received multiple phone calls, including a report of a reckless driver, followed shortly by a report of a traffic accident, according to the local news station wkrn. And when police arrived at the scene, they located Rattery suffering from the gunshot wounds and she was transported to Skyline Medical center for emergency treatment. But despite all of the medical effort, she didn't make it. Authorities have not released any additional details about the moments leading up to the shooting, Nor have they publicly stated what prompted the confrontation. But the relationship history between the two is being described as just former romantic partners. In the most recent reports, Hunter Jackson was identified as the shooter and the investigation remains ongoing.

[Woody Overton]

There you have it. Another domestic, domestic death murder. Not death, murder. Murder murder. It's time for effed up professionals. Well, speaking of murders, what do you do when someone gets murdered and you find the body?

[Cindy Overton]

Call 91 1.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, and what does 911 do?

[Cindy Overton]

They talk to me until police arrive or first responders or someone comes.

[Woody Overton]

What do they do with the body?

[Cindy Overton]

911 doesn't do anything with the body.

[Woody Overton]

You said the police came.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

What do they do with the body, Captain Obvious?

[Cindy Overton]

They call an ambulance or the coroner and have them bag it and tag it and take it to get an autopsy.

[Woody Overton]

Then what do they do with the body?

[Cindy Overton]

The people that are doing the autopsy, whoever.

[Woody Overton]

What happens to the body?

[Cindy Overton]

Well, it either gets put in a casket and buried in the ground or it gets cremated.

[Woody Overton]

Thank you. Now to my story. We're going to San Jose, California. We're going to San Jose, California and I'm gonna tell you about effed up professional. So this guy son had died, his name, his name Alexander Pinion. Okay. And he died by how or however he died. Right. And the. And so he has to go. You know, they pay, the family pays for a fuel full funeral. They sign a contract for the mortuary for a full $10,000 full service memorial tribute package which included embalming, dressing, casketing, transportation of the remains and a funeral service. Right. So in the. The young man Pinion died back in May.

[Co-host/Guest]

So.

[Woody Overton]

You know, we're very fortunate. The, the people that buried my whole entire family and bury almost everybody in this part of the of Louisiana are very dear friends of ours. Uncle George, Southern term. Y' all know my not blood relation was my daddy's best friend and he died. And then of course they buried my dad. They buried everybody I know and they're the best. We could call them up on the ph now, right? Well, unfortunately they have some assholes who are not that good and don't take their job as personally as the Charlie say. So let me tell you about this family said the issue began when they decided they want to bury opinion in different clothes than what he had died in. So they called funeral home and, and say hey look, can we do that? Bring y' all some clothes and. And Pena's father, the funeral director was like, yeah, yeah, her name's Annette Anita Singh. And so Pena's father picks out some clothes. I just had to do that for my dad. Pretty tough deal. And goes to the mortuary, meets the lady who does very nice. And took Pinion's clothes. And she handed that they had a bag back, which was red label, said biohazard material on it. And she said, here are your sons. You just see son's clothing, right? And I'm sure they, you know, they picked out caskets and did all that shit. And then, well, dad got home sooner or later, and he's like, I guess, you know, being sentimental and want to take care of his son's clothes. And he goes to the washing machine and he opens it up, and he opens a bag up and he dumps it in the washing machine. Well, it really wouldn't be an issue, but the bag is. According to the father, the bag did not contain any clothing, but it contained human brain matter. And dad. So now looking at his. The c. Son's brain in his washing machine. Can you imagine?

[Cindy Overton]

You sure this isn't Cobb County?

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, sorry. You should. Hey, y'.

[Co-host/Guest]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Co-host/Guest]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Co-host/Guest]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Co-host/Guest]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

Can you imagine?

[Cindy Overton]

No, I can't.

[Woody Overton]

Okay, you're looking at your dead kid's brain matter in your washing machine. And then what does he, what does he do? He scooped the brain matter out of his washing machine. And at that time he wasn't even aware it was his son's brain. It just knew it's a brain and he puts it back in the red bag. Well, come to find out he's like what the. Calls the scene back up. And guess what? The dad over the rest of Pinion's family was not aware that the coroner had performed a cranial autopsy nor that part of his brain had been removed.

[Co-host/Guest]

That's just Pena's father brought the bag.

[Woody Overton]

Back to the funeral home. At which point our Lovely Funeral director, Ms. Singh, Anita Singh. You know, y', all, wherever this town is, I told you, don't fucking use them in San Jose, California. It's a big ass building. It's not like it's a fly by night cheap place. Dad brings the brain back and gives it to Ms. Singh. And machine not only did not apologize, she did not provide any explanation for the mix up. And did not give Pinion's father the clothes he initially went there looking for. I'm pretty sure you gave me the brain in the bag. You don't know where the fuck the clothes are.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And the brains don't even end up in bags. Figure it out. Right, yeah. So naturally filed a lawsuit and they. They claim that Pena's brain was left in a bag and hidden somewhere in a funeral homes courtyard for weeks for an unknown reason. And quotations. Discovering one's child brain matter in a washing machine and then having to scoop it out is a horror no family should ever endure. And the plaintiffs have Suffered shock, grief, nightmares, anxiety, depression, and other lasting physiological injuries. And you know what? I hope they have a fucking hundred million dollar insurance policy on that place. Or I hope they end up owning it and get into the Morse worry business. That's just fucked up.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Pretty sure I'd have gone back and beat him with a brain.

[Cindy Overton]

I was gonna say, like, what is their son.

[Woody Overton]

Your son's brain? So you don't really do that, but you're his brain.

[Cindy Overton]

But how traumatic.

[Woody Overton]

That's.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean.

[Woody Overton]

And you gotta scoop it out, Right?

[Cindy Overton]

That's horrible.

[Woody Overton]

There you have it. Got all kinds of professionals in the world. Yeah. Thankfully we're not up professionals.

[Cindy Overton]

Thankfully.

[Woody Overton]

How much you got?

[Cindy Overton]

Thankfully there are some good professionals. Like Charlay Funeral Home.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Love y'.

[Co-host/Guest]

All.

[Woody Overton]

It's time for family matters.

[Cindy Overton]

We're going to Florida. We haven't been there in a couple days. I don't think.

[Co-host/Guest]

Florida.

[Cindy Overton]

Citrus County.

[Woody Overton]

Citrus County. So Florida woman, she got some urn just down there, right.

[Cindy Overton]

Has been arrested and is facing homicide investigations in two counties after authorities say that she shot and killed two of her ex husbands in separate incidents on the same day.

[Woody Overton]

Nice.

[Cindy Overton]

She's been identified as Susan Erica avalon, and she's 48 years old. And according to law enforcement, the shootings occurred on Wednesday, December 17, and one of the shootings was in Manatee county, and the other is in Hillsborough County.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Investigators with the Manatee County Sheriff's Office said Avalon is accused of shooting and killing one ex husband at his residence in Manatee.

[Woody Overton]

I bet. You know what? I bet she's a real bitch of a wife.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, can you imagine?

[Woody Overton]

That's why they're exes. Well, wait, I'm probably going to limb and say it was her. She was just a bitch.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, authorities allege that she lured the victim to open his front door by taking him food from Panera Bread pickup. She's like, come here.

[Woody Overton]

Come on in.

[Cindy Overton]

Come here, ex husband.

[Woody Overton]

I got you some Panera Bread, A good old treat.

[Cindy Overton]

And she didn't even. She went to do the Panera Bread pickup and she just picked up food that was on a shelf. Like she didn't order it. She just went and grabbed a bag of food from there. Does that make sense? Like, people order and it's waiting for them on a shelf. They just go in and grab it. Some people might not know that.

[Woody Overton]

That's like you asked me. Go ahead.

[Cindy Overton]

So when the man answered the door, Avalon opened fire on him, killing him at the scene. And license plate reader data showed Avalon silver Honda Odyssey traveling from Citrus county into Manatee county and later returning north after the Manatee county shooting. Detectives located Avalon at her home in Citrus county, and authority said she was observed cleaning her vehicle with bleach and rags when they arrived. So investigators began to speak to her, and they asked her about her ex husband, and she said, which one.

[Woody Overton]

Of the bullets? Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

According to law enforcement, that response immediately raised concern and prompted them to request a welfare check on her other former spouse.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

And that welfare check led officers to a residence in Hillsborough county, and they discovered a second man dead with multiple gunshot wounds. Investigators believe that the two shootings are connected and occurred within hours of one another. An authority said Avalon had been divorced from the Manatee county victim for approximately 11 years. But court records referenced by investigators indicated that there's been an ongoing dispute, especially over child support. But they haven't listed, like, they haven't named what they think the motive is, but it doesn't matter. Avalon was taken into custody and booked into Citrus county jail. In the Manatee county case, she's been charged with second degree murder, though prosecutors indicated they plan to seek an upgrade to first degree murder and pursue enhanced penalty.

[Woody Overton]

Well, I hope they don't, because if they do, then Florida has the ultimate punishment. Yeah, there you have that. All right.

[Co-host/Guest]

Well.

[Woody Overton]

Wouldn'T be fitting if I didn't tell a little bit about Christmas. Crime says Christmas crime time on true crime time for. And you know, I always say, blood hits the ground on the holidays. And never forget me and Brian Paul being on call. We were the weekend shifting. Christmas was on a weekend, and he took the night part, and I took the days we rotated out, and he called me late, and the guy was burned up in a car. And I was like, and this is Christmas light early Christmas morning when they found him, and. And I was like, yeah, maybe it won't be a homicide. Right. Because we were off. Like, when we got off the day after Christmas, we were off. It was the rut for hunting season. We were all for the whole. We were gonna hunt our ass off. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully it won't be a. It won't be a homicide. I don't think the autopsy was scheduled until Tuesday because Dr. Cornham would come in on Monday. But so anyway, Brian Paul called me, and I was like, literally on the deer stand. And he's like, motherfucker, you got to come. We got to roll out. And that's what happened. He said he was stabbed to death before they burned him up.

[Cindy Overton]

Goodness.

[Woody Overton]

And so it's just a time when the blood hits the ground and tis the season for the reason. But we'll go all the way back to 1996 and probably this case has been covered more than anyone the world. J. Ramsey.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, right.

[Woody Overton]

And the six year old beauty queen was found murdered in the basement or family's home in Boulder, Colorado on December Twix 26, which is also Haley's murder bursary. And despite decades of investigation, the case remains unsolved. And so we know that. 1996, I was 26 years old. First homicide school I went to, we studied the handwriting and studied the case and whatever the FBI was here and what have you just goes on and on and on. I know who did it. That's one of those. You got to be able to prove it. So, all right, tell you about one you probably didn't knew about the Solder children. The parents disappearance, okay. Happened in 1945, the year World War II ended. And on Christmas Eve they had a fire in the Solder family home in West Virginia. And the one second, because I need to have something else on about here. The long, the long and the short of it is once the fire was done and was put out, the five of the children had vanished and none of their remains were found. Now they had other ones that were there, the mom and dad and all that, but these five kids were just gone in 1945.

[Cindy Overton]

Wow.

[Woody Overton]

There's no Internet or no call you outside on Dickle D app or whatever it may be called that people are using now.

[Cindy Overton]

Dickle Dickel.

[Woody Overton]

I just made something out so they make up. What are the some of those apps names?

[Cindy Overton]

I have no idea.

[Woody Overton]

You know, I'm talking about like WhatsApp or Tinder or whatever the fuck, right? Anyway, they didn't have any of that bullshit. And those five kids, poof, gone. All right, let's go, let's take it up a notch. Notorious massacres and spree killings on Christmas One dude, Ronald Jean Simmons over the Christmas period. You know what Mr. Simmons did? He murdered 16 people in Arkansas, including 14 members of his own family, right? He sat in the house with the bodies for four days before he said, you know what? I'm kind of tired sitting with these dead bodies. I'm going to go out. And he did. He went out in the public and went on a shooting spree on December 28th.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, goodness. So he killed his whole family.

[Woody Overton]

Ronald Jean Simmons, Murder Massacre, Arkansas. I gotta know if they kill this motherfucker. So December 22, 1987, Ronald Jean Simmons began a killing spree that we be the worst mass murder in Arkansas history and the worst crime involving one family in the history of the country, United States, America. His rampage ended on December 28, 1987, leaving dead 14. Oh, you know what? That's one of my favorite Christmas songs. First day of Christmas. Yeah, I was like that.

[Cindy Overton]

If they they do the estimated of how much each thing would cost this year and the the crazy.

[Woody Overton]

It's expensive. They couldn't afford it.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

All right, so back to sorry to interrupt on that squirrel. His rampage ended on December 28, 1987, leaving dead 14 members of his immediate family. And he blessed two of his former co workers by killing them. He blessed him in evil way. Now, Ronald Jean Simmons, who was born on July 15, 1940, so he was two years older my dad in Chicago, Illinois. And it goes on and gives his whole family and how who his mom was and his daddy was there from Chicago and blah blah, blah, whatever. So then they moved to Little Rock and Pulaski county in 1946, the first of several transfers that would take the family across central Arkansas. Blah, blah, blah. He's, he's joined the US Navy. Blah blah blah. Damn, they give it everything on this. Hey y'. All. You know I don't do the laundry.

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[Woody Overton]

They had seven children. Blah blah. I'm trying to see if they killed this he fathered a child with a 17 year old. He fled the blah blah blah. Simmons worked in a string of low paying jobs. Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

All right.

[Woody Overton]

So evidence indicates that Simmons bludgeoned and shot his wife on 12-22-87. Simmons also bludgeoned and shot his visiting son, 29 year old Ronald Jeans Simmons Jr. He then strangled his three year old granddaughter. All three bodies were later found in a shallow pit. Simmons had instructed the children to dig the pit months before.

[Cindy Overton]

So he had it all planned.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, but he called it the family outhouse. So later the same day the Dover school bus dropped off the younger Simmons children for their Christmas break from school. And based on the crime scene investigation it is believed the Simmons children. Here comes the tears. Age 17, 14, 11 and 8. They were separated and killed individually by strangulation and or drowning in a rain barrel, brah. Their bodies were also found in the hole for the outhouse. Now the older Simmons children have been invited to the Simmons home on December 26th of 87 for an after Christmas dinner. 23 year old William H. Simmons II, his 21 year old wife Reneta May Simmons and their 20 month old son and they're all from Dallas county were likely the first to arrive and William and Renata were shot and their bodies were left by the dining room table and covered with their own coats and some bedding. The child was killed in place in the trunk of the car behind the Simmons home. I mean this roll. I wonder why nobody's ever made this one. The movie the next to arrive because we're not done for Simmons 24 year old daughter Sheila and her husband 33 year old Dennis Raymond McNulty as well as their children 7 year old Sylvia and 21 month old Michael. Sheila was shot and her body was laid on the dining room table and covered with a tablecloth. Simmons shot Dennis and strangled Sylvia. Michael was strangled and placed in the trunk of yet another parked car. Later the same day Simmons drove to Russellville where he stopped at a Sears store and picked up Christmas gifts that he had ordered but had not made it in before the holiday. Later that night. He's got all these dead bodies, right?

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Later that night he drove to a private club in Russellville. Then he went home and waited out the weekend. On Monday, December 28, 1987, Simmons drove a car that it belonged to his son Ronald Jr. To Russellville. He purchased a second gun from Walmart. His next stop was the Peel Eddy and Gibbons law firm. And he enters the law firm and after entering the building Simmons shot and killed the receptionist Kathy Cribbins Kendrick. And then he next went to the Taylor Oil Company where he shot and wounded Russell Rusty Taylor who's the owner of Sinclair Mini Mart where he had worked. And then he's not stopping. He shot and killed JD Or Jim Chaffam who's a fireman part time truck driver for Taylor Oil. Simmons shot at and missed another employee. Before exiting the building, Simmons went to the Sinclair Mini Mart where he shot and wounded Roberta Woolery and David Slater. His last stop was the Woodline Motor Freight Company. Simmons located his former supervisor Joyce Butts and wounded her in the head and the chest. He then took worker Vicki Jackson at gunpoint into the computer office and advised her to call the police. Simmons told Jackson, I've come to do what I wanted to do. It's all over now. I've gotten everybody who wanted to hurt me. He then surrendered to the Russellville police when they arrived. You can't make this shit up.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

So they sent him to the state mental hospital to see if he was sane enough to stand trial. And he was found sane enough to stand trial by a bunch of different doctors and the prosecuting attorney. He went to trial. Jury selection took less than six hours. He was convicted on May 12, 1988, and in the Franklin county circuit court for the deaths of Kendrick Chaffis. So they only tried to. On May 16, Judge Samuel Peterson sentenced Simmons to death by lethal injection plus 147 years. Simmons refused all rights to appeal, and he was found guilty of 14 counts of capital murder. In the deaths of God and everybody else he killed. God bless them all. So they offered a possible motive when he presented an undated note that was discovered in a safe deposit box in Russellville bank. And the letter seemed to indicate a strong love hate relationship between Simmons and his daughter Sheila. After the judge ruled the letter admissible, Simmons lashed out at buying him and punched him in the face. And then unsuccessfully struggled for the deputy's handgun. This dude just won't stop. All right. Officers rushed him out of the courthouse and changed. He was sentenced to death by lethal injection. And on March 16, 1989, he waived all his rights to appeal. Let's see if they kill. Actually killed him now. Because Gerald Borlong, right. Waved out of his. And it took him like seven years to prove he was saying enough. Let's see. Boom. Oh, check this out. So they're appealing and stuff, and he. He thinks he's getting off the. It came back a 72 vote. But then for some reason, the. The supreme court came back really fast. And they said Simmons was watching television. And oh no, this fucking. He got to stay. He was watching television, eating what he thought he would be his last meal when he got a new stay of execution. Then we go to 1990. Governor Bill Clinton signed his execution warrant again. And this was the quickest sentence to execution of death in the United States history since the death penalty was reinstated in 1976. Simmons refused all visitors, including legal counsel and clergy. His last words were quotations. Justice delayed. Finally being done is justifiable homicide. And no family members claiming the body save is buried in a pauper slide at Lincoln Memorial long in Lincoln County. And there you have my Christmas gift to you.

[Cindy Overton]

Thank you.

[Woody Overton]

To tell you about Mr. Simmons and all the love he spread in world. What a great guy. You know, I never knew about that story.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Is it crazy?

[Cindy Overton]

But that would be a movie. I mean, like.

[Woody Overton]

Well, I'm gonna end it on two short, short, short funny nights. Okay. So go ahead and say your name.

[Cindy Overton]

Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

And I'm Woody Overton. Naked chimney break in in 2010, man in Seattle decided he was going to break into the house. Gotta steal some presents, right? And he. All the doors and windows are locked, but guess what was open? The chimney. Yeah. And he was like, I'm pretty sure I could fit, but not quite sure. So he took off all his clothes.

[Cindy Overton]

That's smart.

[Woody Overton]

He got naked.

[Cindy Overton]

Real smart.

[Woody Overton]

And climbed down the chimney until he couldn't climb anymore and he got stuck.

[Cindy Overton]

Good for him.

[Woody Overton]

Can you imagine coming home like, what's their names? On Christmas vacation? And they come in from working out.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Margo and Todd. And coming in and doing your. Maybe putting on your music and hearing, Help me, Help me. Because, you know, it's cold as Seattle at that time of year.

[Co-host/Guest]

Help me.

[Woody Overton]

And I'm like, what do you. What does that sound come from? And you look up and you're thinking, there's a dinghy. Oh, I was gonna say Harry Bubblegum, but there's Harry Bubblegum. There's hairy Christmas toy sacks hanging in your face. So they call the cops. And he was arrested. You know, he told the cops, he said, I wasn't trying to break in. No, he said, I am Santa Claus. Yeah. Okay.

[Co-host/Guest]

All right, one more.

[Woody Overton]

This dude is called the Grinch of Ontario. Now, you would think it's going to be about all murders and all the bad he did and he did bad, but it ain't that kind of bad because we ended on a light note. And the Grinch, Ontario, well, in Kingston, Ontario, they had a Christmas parade. Big deal, right? Everybody rolls out for my stuff, ride him all the time. Big deal. People turn out. And not as big as Mardi Gras, but, yeah, you know, Santa's always the feature. Everybody's happy, happy, jolly as.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And all that good stuff. Well, same thing happened in Kingston, Ontario, until the Grinch of Ontario showed up. And he was drunk as.

[Cindy Overton]

What year was this?

[Woody Overton]

2012. He was drunk as fuck. And he decided he was going to walk along the Christmas parade route. And you know what he did? Every kid he came to, he told him, he said, hey, Santa Claus ain't real. It's your mama and your daddy or whoever's taking care of you.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, that is disgusting.

[Woody Overton]

And he. He walked along the whole route and told children that Santa wasn't real.

[Cindy Overton]

Why didn't they stop him at some, like. I mean, I'm surprised no parent, like, went and like, attacked him or said something to him and stopped him before he got through the whole route.

[Woody Overton]

That is a wonderful question.

[Cindy Overton]

And you don't remember.

[Woody Overton]

I never do that to a kid.

[Cindy Overton]

You only did it to Gately.

[Woody Overton]

It's my own kids.

[Co-host/Guest]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

No, I used to. My kids, when I was single, they had Kate. I was like. She was at that age. I don't know what age is appropriate. But anyway, I was like, here I am. Give her all this Santa Claus getting credit for it. But. But she was old enough. I think she knew anyway.

[Cindy Overton]

She was like 7, baby.

[Woody Overton]

Well, she knew and. But I used to. She was like, daddy. She did ask me the year before. She said, daddy, are you really Santa Claus? And I said, no. So the next year, I was like, she in the nose, right? And. And. But I would mess with her. I'd be like, so you want such and such? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I want that. And I said, well, you just gotta let me know. I'll put in a word with the old fat boy. They were tight. He said, really? Yeah, I talk to him all the time. Actually, I talk to him more than anybody every day. Right. There's nobody better to talk to. But she knew, and then. Yeah, she did.

[Cindy Overton]

I know.

[Woody Overton]

Yes, she did. Let me call her right now. She's not gonna answer.

[Cindy Overton]

She did not want to know.

[Woody Overton]

She is not gonna answer that. Well, she's got to work and stuff, right? And this is her busy time. I don't know how long it's appropriate to do a FaceTime ring before you hang up.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't either.

[Woody Overton]

I don't FaceTime. I'm scaring myself. Look at my own face. I got Honda season face.

[Cindy Overton]

You do.

[Woody Overton]

I'm gonna let that grow. All right, she's done. Anyway, I'm officially going on record saying I did not tell her.

[Cindy Overton]

You just said you told her.

[Woody Overton]

No, I didn't. I told her that I was talking to Santa Claus every day. Maybe it's a short deal. You would get switches and ashes in your stocking.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, that's better than nothing.

[Woody Overton]

I can get switches and ashes real easy. I gotta do is scoop out the.

[Cindy Overton]

Fireplace, saying, most years there's nothing.

[Co-host/Guest]

So nothing. Everybody that everybody in the family, including boyfriends and girlfriends. I tell you, don't buy that Christmas present.

[Woody Overton]

They won't be here next year.

[Co-host/Guest]

And I'm right. You buy presents for everybody.

[Woody Overton]

How is that nothing?

[Cindy Overton]

I'm not buying myself presents exactly, but everybody got presents. You're saying you're putting.

[Woody Overton]

You're the.

[Cindy Overton]

You get to be in my.

[Co-host/Guest]

You get to be Mrs. Claus and bless everybody.

[Woody Overton]

You love doing that shit.

[Cindy Overton]

I do.

[Woody Overton]

There you go. Merry Christmas.

[Cindy Overton]

Thank you. Thank you for thinking of me.

[Woody Overton]

People be. I have to be like that, y'. All. She gets Christmas every day, 365 days a year. As do I. Did you get coffee in bed this morning for me? There you go. It isn't all bad on Overton Ship. And you already know.

[Cindy Overton]

Get defensive. You're the one that.

[Woody Overton]

Well, you're the one who cried yesterday.

[Co-host/Guest]

When they found out what?

[Cindy Overton]

Me?

[Woody Overton]

What Santa Claus got him for Christmas. Me.

[Cindy Overton]

Because I'm grateful.

[Woody Overton]

Well, if I need.

[Cindy Overton]

Very, very grateful.

[Woody Overton]

I don't have to always buy you a present to get you to cry. Just come in here and do real life, real crime, true crime time for.

[Cindy Overton]

You claim that you don't want me to cry, but then you say to get you to cry, like, what are you ever saying?

[Co-host/Guest]

Merry Christmas. Ho, ho, ho. Love y'.

[Cindy Overton]

All.

[Co-host/Guest]

Holler at you later.

[Woody Overton]

I got nothing else.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't.

[Woody Overton]

All right, you want to tell them? Merry Christmas.

[Cindy Overton]

Merry Christmas, Happy. Well, we'll see you before then. Merry Christmas. I hope y' all have the best. Well, I hope you have the best Christmas ever.

[Co-host/Guest]

Right?

[Woody Overton]

And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Holler at you later. Merry Christmas. Peace.

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[Woody Overton]

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