True Crime Time For December 5, 2025 | False Confessions, Police Corruption & The Chad Hughes Story

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Real Life Real Crime
Episode: True Crime Time For December 5, 2025 | False Confessions, Police Corruption & The Chad Hughes Story
Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Release Date: December 5, 2025

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Main Theme

This episode is a lively, candid exploration of recent true crime news, misconduct cases involving law enforcement, social controversies, and a deep dive into local Louisiana fraud—with Woody Overton’s signature no-nonsense storytelling and Cindy’s thoughtful counterpoints. The show offers unique personal insights and even first-hand experience, all while highlighting the flaws and gray areas in law enforcement, the justice system, and human nature.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Controversial Nativity Scene as Social Protest (Illinois)

[04:41–09:11]

• The episode opens with a provocative story from Evanston, Illinois: a church displayed a nativity scene where Jesus is zip-tied, watched by ICE agents, and Mary & Joseph wear respirators—meant to comment on immigration and forced family separation.
• Woody’s reaction: He’s incensed, calling it an overtly political statement disguised as religious art, and says he’d be "willing to go to jail" for tearing the scene down if he lived there.
• Quote:
  • “If I was in this town, I would go to jail for destroying this...There’s a church and they did a nativity scene. Baby Jesus has his hands zip-tied and is guarded by figures styled as ICE agents.” – Woody, [05:27]
• Cindy provides context from her life on the border and her father’s experience in border patrol, explaining the complexity and divisions among immigrants themselves.

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2. Effed Up Professionals: Racist Deputy Fired in South Carolina

[10:17–14:56]

• Cindy presents the case of a Spartanburg deputy fired for a racist social media post made while on duty.
• The deputy, in ski mask, posted offensive text using coded language, was fired the next day. The sheriff vows zero tolerance for such misconduct.
• Quote:
  • “How can you expect to protect and serve? That’s everybody. Even when I tore up the display of sweet baby Jesus being zip-tied, I would have gone to jail. There are laws for a reason. You’re going to do a racist post like that and then expect to show up on scene and have some kind of respect?” – Woody, [13:38]
• Hosts discuss the broader impact on police reputation and the necessity to “weed out” such individuals.

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3. Police Corruption and Murder in Memphis

[23:33–28:03]

• Woody shares the shocking case of Patrick Ferguson, a Memphis police officer who abducted and murdered a man while on duty.
• Ferguson was sentenced to 38 years after confessing. Another officer, Joshua Rogers, assisted in hiding the body and awaits sentencing.
• Quote:
  • “This defendant committed a premeditated murder while using his position as a police officer not to protect the Memphis community, but to perpetrate this horrendous crime…” – Woody quoting DOJ, [25:08]
• Woody reflects on the "no one is above the law" mantra and the importance of accountability at every level.

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4. False Confessions: The Tony Haas Case

[32:28–36:44]

• Cindy covers the case of Tony Haas, recently acquitted of a 1992 double homicide in Wisconsin, despite a DNA match and a confession under questionable circumstances.
• Defense alleges the confession was coerced, pointing to another potential suspect and a history of false confessions by others.
• Woody contextualizes: Juries in civil cases have a much lower burden of proof, referencing OJ Simpson as precedent.

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5. First-Hand: The Chad Hughes Fraud and Theft Story (Baton Rouge, LA)

[41:00–54:55]

• Woody shares a direct, personal account of Chad Hughes—a Baton Rouge restaurateur arrested for felony theft after writing a $20,000 bad check for equipment, refusing to return property, and his long history of financial misdeeds.
• Woody’s own father was victimized by Hughes’ bad checks; Woody describes how they pursued eviction and legal remedies, fighting false narratives Hughes spread in the press.
• Quote:
  • “He didn’t face just potential eviction. We got him evicted because my daddy owned the building… I personally took it over, and he kept writing bad checks. Ultimately, we just went ahead and had him evicted.” – Woody, [44:17]
• Key insight: Woody details the process for reporting bad checks in Louisiana and stresses not to “take a check from anybody,” explaining how scams work even with seemingly legitimate funds.

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6. Musings on Law Enforcement, False Convictions, and Systemic Issues

[28:03–32:28] [36:17–40:41]

• Woody discusses personal experiences with being denied a prison interview for a documentary (potentially for his own safety, given his law enforcement background).
• Hosts touch on concepts like double jeopardy and the difference between criminal and civil court burdens of proof.
• Cindy asks Woody about his track record with confessions:
  • “How many times in trial did someone admit to the crime?”
  • “Fuckin’ never. What’s the point of going to trial unless they got into the first day of trial, jury selection, and they’re like, fuck that, I’ll take the plea deal.” – Woody, [32:59]

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7. Ethical Commentary & Personal Reflections

• Both hosts are open about the challenge of dealing with repeat offenders and the importance of letting “the music” play when it comes to justice—meaning, the system eventually catches up, and trying to frame or rush justice is futile.
• Quote: “If you catch a dude and you don’t have him just right, let that go—because you’ll cross paths again, and maybe next time, the music will be playing your way.” – Woody, [52:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the controversial nativity scene:
  “Man, come on, bro, get the fuck out of here. I… look, I got a lot of Hispanic friends … the laws are the laws. Don’t zip tie sweet baby Jesus…” – Woody, [08:10]

• On policing and racism:
  “Hate of any kind is bad.” – Woody, [12:17]

• On wrongful conviction investigations:
  “If he’s innocent, he’s innocent. I don’t have enough knowledge to say one way or another. But I know I ain’t going to Angola… and I really didn’t want to, anyway.” – Woody, [31:08]

• Acknowledging his and Cindy’s marriage and past:
  "We're going on 18 years of marriage, say. How you felt, a little game." – Woody, [28:03]

• On giving people the benefit of the doubt:
  "You always give people the benefit of the doubt. You take them at face value until you can't." – Cindy, [54:11]

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• [04:41] – Nativity scene with political symbolism
• [10:17] – Racist deputy fired in South Carolina
• [23:33] – Police murder/kidnapping case in Memphis
• [32:28] – False confessions, Tony Haas case
• [36:44] – Civil vs. criminal cases, OJ example
• [41:00] – The Chad Hughes fraud story (personal account)
• [52:15] – Reflections on letting justice play out
• [54:11] – Closing thoughts on trust and consequences

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Tone & Style

The tone is irreverent, honest, sometimes coarse but always direct. Woody weaves personal stories and law enforcement lore with off-the-cuff humor and local color, while Cindy acts as a balancing, probing presence. Both show a deep commitment to truth, justice, and empathy—even amid frustration at how “messy” the real world system can be.

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For Listeners:

This episode brings a raft of true crime headlines to life with unique perspective, revealing how the personal and systemic can get tangled in the real world (not just in headlines). It’s a must-listen for anyone interested in the lived reality of criminal law, flawed investigators and officials, and the underbelly of small-town America—told by someone who’s been there themselves.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of True Crime time for Friday, December 5th, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Bringing it to you. Bringing it to you. Here it Here it comes, right here. Here it comes. Here it comes.

[Podcast Co-host]

True Crime Time four.

[Woody Overton]

I got a couple things I really want to say. I'm trying to figure out how to say them.

[Podcast Co-host]

1.

[Woody Overton]

The hashtag just for Bradley episode will be Sunday and you'll know.

Probably this afternoon on social media why it's being delayed. But we'll just hang out and see how that plays out. Because I don't let the cat out of the bag. Although the lion's den already knows. So that being said, y' all continue to call on your tips. The it's just we get so much information every day. It's all love, all good. Nothing is silly and except for the bad people who try to call in bad stuff to make me look other ways. But you know, that's par for the course or whatever. All right, the.

[Podcast Co-host]

I'm going to do this.

[Woody Overton]

I'm a shock you. Cindy, I can't do that. You don't know this a great warning. Well.

This is.

You know, I don't do politics and I don't do religion other than everybody knows I love Jesus. Right. And. But, but don't care who you believe in or don't believe in. I, I judge people by how they act.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

Right. So. And they just don't do politics and religion because it's a no win situation. And this is a true crime show.

[Cindy Overton]

Right, Exactly. Stick to the. Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Stick to the facts. Except for this.

[Cindy Overton]

When they kind of go together.

[Woody Overton]

Well, no.

[Cindy Overton]

When religion becomes a crime.

[Woody Overton]

Well, no. Well, it's. It. This, you know, this is America and we have freedom of speech and just. Yeah. I don't try to press my stuff. I'm certainly not ashamed to talk about Jesus and my experience and everything else. But if, you know, if you don't want to hear it, then you don't have to hear it. Right. And I'm not going to use this, this platform to press it upon you.

[Cindy Overton]

But you also make a point to learn about other religions and know without a doubt that's what you believe and you respect the other religions. When someone comes to you and says you believe, blah, blah, blah. This is what I believe. You know about that religion already.

[Woody Overton]

That's right. And y' all may not know that, but I have in my younger years, I studied all the different religions.

[Podcast Co-host]

But.

[Woody Overton]

So that's kind of leading into. We're going to Illinois and it's Christmas time.

[Podcast Co-host]

We're 20 days away from.

[Woody Overton]

Ho, ho, ho, Santa Claus or Jesus.

[Podcast Co-host]

Birthday or Hanukkah, whatever you believe in.

[Woody Overton]

Right. Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And you know, people like, like you like to decorate and get in the festive mood and, and all that. I'm going to tell you something. If I was. I'm just being honest. And this is the only time you ever hear me do this. If I was in this town, I would go to jail. So I guess it can make it a true crime. I would, I would go to jail for destroying this. The. There's a church and they did an activity scene.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Podcast Co-host]

So.

The, in the nativity scene, you know, you just got the baby Jesus in the, in the manger and the animals and the shepherds and, and maybe the three kings coming and my favorite, the little drummer boy.

[Woody Overton]

Whatever. Right. So. Yeah, good.

[Podcast Co-host]

Because that's their point of view and.

[Woody Overton]

That'S that's, you know, what they believe, right? Yeah. Well, this church did a nativity scene and it's got the Baby Jesus. Okay.

[Podcast Co-host]

And Baby Jesus has his hands zip tied.

[Woody Overton]

Oh yeah, wait, no, wait, listen.

[Podcast Co-host]

Has his hand zip tied and is guarded by figures styled as Immigration and Customs Enforcement or ICE agents. In the Lake Street Church of Evanston is displaying the scene outside on its grounds. Baby Jesus is wrapped in a thin.

[Woody Overton]

Blanket resembling aluminum foil, which the church said is in reference to the emergency blankets used in detention facilities. And the Macedurians are officers in the.

[Podcast Co-host]

Ancient Roman army are depicted in sunglasses.

[Woody Overton]

And green vests labeled ice. It also because we're not going to stop there. We're going to the Virgin Mary herself or Mother Mary also shows Mother Mary.

[Podcast Co-host]

Wearing a respirator mask to protect herself from tear gas.

[Woody Overton]

Joseph is also masked. Right.

[Podcast Co-host]

The church said the installation reimagines the.

[Woody Overton]

Nativity as a scene of forced family separation, drawing parallels between the Holy Family's refugee flight and modern immigration detention practices.

[Podcast Co-host]

This installation reimagines the Nativity as a scene of forced family separation, drawing direct parallels between the Holy Family's refugee experience and contemporary immigration detention practices. The Holy Family were refugees.

[Woody Overton]

This is not a political interpretation. You are full then they're a church and they're fucking lying, right?

[Podcast Co-host]

This there's nothing else.

[Woody Overton]

This is other than a political thing. And they just go on and on.

And you know, basically explaining that.

Man them I don't even have to talk about it anymore. All right. The. They caught such about it though that.

The they said in recent days it appears Mary's gas mask has been removed while the zip ties have been cut from the hands of Baby Jesus. And that said I'm not going to go anymore. And of course, you know, people are outraged and I'm sure.

Man, come on, bro, get the out of here. I'm sorry. I, I, you know, everyone probably come in here and do this. I read to see if there's any big national news stories and.

You know, Bobby with a whatever the name will tell that nice is sweet Baby Jesus when they say the prayers. Yeah, but Swee. Baby Jesus doesn't need to be in zip ties surrounded by ICE agents. I don't care what you believe in. The. I don't. You know that I. Look I got a lot of Hispanic friends that you know that.

Are not probably not here illegally. I didn't ask them and but you know, the laws are the laws and they are what they are. You don't like them, vote somebody else in or whatever. But don't zip tie sweet baby Jesus and make mother Mary wear and Joseph wear a gas mask and have an ice agent's garden.

[Cindy Overton]

I just know my experience of living on the border for 20 years and with my father obviously border patrolman and the people that do not like illegal immigrants are the immigrants that came here legally.

[Woody Overton]

I'm talking about. I was trying to really hard not to get into any of that. Okay. I'm talking about somebody is this playing in front of their church. A baby Jesus zip tied and wrapped in one of those emergency blankets in ice agents garden and people marrying them wearing gas masks. That I. The crime of it is. It is American. They have a right to do that. The crime of it is, I swear to you, had I seen that, I'd have tore it down and I'd have gone to jail for it. Yeah. So there you go. There's some Woody would have gone to jail for. There should be a new new segment.

[Cindy Overton]

Woody would have gone to judge.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Come up with an acronym. Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host]

All right. What you got?

[Woody Overton]

Give us some crime.

It's time for effed up professionals.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. I'm going to South Carolina.

[Woody Overton]

South Carolina. Palmetto State, Fort Sumner. This is saying. I'm trying to tell you things I didn't know.

[Cindy Overton]

What else do you know about South Carolina?

[Woody Overton]

Murdoch case.

South Carolina.

[Cindy Overton]

I. I'm just waiting for you to spit out all your.

[Woody Overton]

Charleston.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. Do you watch Southern Charm?

[Woody Overton]

Nope.

[Cindy Overton]

You know about Shep?

[Woody Overton]

Nope.

[Cindy Overton]

The Boykin?

[Woody Overton]

Nope.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

There's a trustworthy man. He's in his 40s on a show called Southern Charm. And the Boykin spaniel is named after his family.

[Woody Overton]

It was so far off crime.

[Cindy Overton]

That is the crime. We're so far off a crime. You're the one naming.

[Woody Overton]

I was just telling. Giving some facts about the state that the. Not about TV shows, about whatever. I'm sure somebody watches that.

[Cindy Overton]

A South Carolina sheriff's office immediately fired one of its deputies for a racially offensive social media post pointing to black people while he was on duty.

According to the local newspaper, the Spartanburg county deputy was sitting in his patrol car when he took a photo of himself in a ski mat mask and captioned his social post with the quotes to find a Y N you must.

[Woody Overton]

Be a Y N. Okay, well, he's a idiot. And you know, just because you're in America doesn't mean you should. I mean, he's a cop, he should. It's not freedom of speech for him. But the. You shouldn't hate of any kind Is bad.

[Cindy Overton]

Absolutely.

The next quote.

Says yn. Well.

They'Re explaining that YN is the abbreviated form of young N word. Sheriff Bill Ryan, the newly installed leader of the Spartanburg Sheriff's Office, stated that the deputy, who is white, published the post on November 20th. The next morning he was fired, effectively ending his five year tenure at the agency. The sheriff said this kind of stuff will absolutely not be tolerated under any circumstances at this agency, under my leadership, under anyone's leadership. Exactly what we do in uniform and the things and the choices that we make in uniform not only reflects on themselves, but it reflects on every man and every woman that wears this uniform. Only here at the sheriff's office, but across the entire United.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, him. He gives everybody, all of them, a bad. I mean, there's enough bad ones out there where you. Well, he's one so.

[Cindy Overton]

Ryan said the deputy violated policies that dictate that staff members must not behave in ways that discredit themselves or the sheriff's office or post ethnically derogatory material on social media.

[Woody Overton]

How the can you expect to. To protect and serve? That's everybody. Y' all even like when I tore up the display of sweet baby Jesus being zip tied, I would have gone to jail. There are laws for a reason. And, and then you get inspect. You're going to do a racist post like that and then with the Y N and all that, and, and then expect to show up on scene and have some kind of respect and, you know, bring order back to whatever is the call that you're on. That dude.

[Cindy Overton]

He goes on to say, this is not representative of what this agency wants to be and this is not representative of what we want the people of Spartanburg county to think. Ryan did not say which platform the post was published on and has yet to release the deputy's identity to the public because the public probably come after him to give him time to tell family members before the news spreads. The reason for that is that I want to be respectful to them. This is very fresh. This just happened. I want to make sure that I'm respectful enough to them to give them time to notify family and other people prior to that. I mean, he's given him a lot more.

[Woody Overton]

He's doing it for the family, not for him. Because can you imagine his parents, unless they're neo fucking Nazis. No, they're getting the word your son got fired for being a dumbass racist.

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly.

[Woody Overton]

Well, you know what? I'm not gonna one up you, but I'm about to one up you.

[Podcast Co-host]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Woody Overton]

Foreign it's time for family matters.

We're going to Memphis, Tennessee.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

Graceland Home in Velvas.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh gosh.

[Woody Overton]

Beale street.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

B.B. king's joint, which I've sat in.

[Cindy Overton]

Barbecue.

[Woody Overton]

Yes. Yeah. When I worked at St. Jude's a turnaround up there. They, they cater us with the barbecues. Good barbecue, St. Jude, you're right. That's love, love, love, love. And the.

Let'S see, about two and a half tanks to get to Wisconsin. And I usually fill up just this side of Memphis and the same, it's a little bit longer, a little bit long. Longer than the drive to from here to Memphis than it is from here to where we're actually. So where I'm actually going.

Which is why the Bradley episode is going to be late. But we're going to Memphis and man, we got a cop.

[Podcast Co-host]

Police officer.

[Woody Overton]

He didn't zip tie Baby Jesus and he didn't say the Y N no. But he did something pretty bad though, and he pled guilty to kidnapping and murdering a 30 year old man while on duty.

Kidnapping and murdering and they gave him 38 years.

[Cindy Overton]

That's it.

[Woody Overton]

That's it. Patrick Ferguson, 34, was sentenced Monday after pleading guilty in August to federal civil rights, firearms, kidnapping and obstruction charges for the Fatal shooting of Mr. Robert Howard. Quotations this defendant committed a premeditated murder while using his position as a police officer not to protect the Memphis community, but to perpetrate this horrendous crime and shield himself from suspicion and liability. As court Assistant Attorney General Hamid Dylan of the Justice Department Civil Rights Division said, while no prison sentence can undo the defendant's heartless crimes, today's sentence holds the defendant accountable and sends a clear message that no one is above the law. Y' all remember that. I always say that, but people don't believe that no one is above the law. A Memphis grand jury indicted Ferguson in May of 2024 for the January 5, 2021 murder of Howard. Prosecutor said Ferguson, who had been a police officer since October 2018, abducted Howard from his home at G gunpoint and killed him in the back of his.

[Podcast Co-host]

Patrol car while on duty.

[Cindy Overton]

What?

[Podcast Co-host]

Yep.

[Woody Overton]

He then had an insult injury. He then disposed of the body in the Wolf river with assistance from Joshua.

[Podcast Co-host]

Rogers, who pled guilty May 8 to.

[Woody Overton]

Obstruction charges and is scheduled to be this sentence on December 17th.

[Podcast Co-host]

Police were notified of the crime by.

[Woody Overton]

Howard's girlfriend who reported him missing.

[Podcast Co-host]

The original police report states that Ferguson.

[Woody Overton]

Used a personal handgun to force Howard into the back of his patrol car, where he shot and killed the victim. Following his rest, Ferguson confessed to investigators and Memphis police announced a few days after the crime was committed that Howard's body had been recovered from the river and him the yeah, I don't know. I don't know all the the detailed details, the deets as it Was the people would say 20 years ago, probably. Who knows what they say now? And once upon a time, I was hip and cool. Now I'm just old as.

The. Anyway, the digits, the deets. The digits used to be rodent on ballroom napkins because they'd have cell phones.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know about that.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, you did too. I'm sure you gave your number out back in the day.

[Cindy Overton]

Steve, Paraguay's daughter. You think I'm walking around giving my name?

[Podcast Co-host]

I bet you gave it to me. No, you didn't walk around giving it out.

[Woody Overton]

You got to have a little game to get the number right.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, well, I mean, not many people have enough game.

[Woody Overton]

Well, we're going on 18 years of marriage, say.

How you felt, a little game.

[Cindy Overton]

No, you're the one that had the best and the most game.

[Woody Overton]

Now I'm just whole.

Gonna get out of the recording chair, my knees and shit. Pop in or get out. Get out of the deer stand, like holy.

Gray hair everywhere and all this stuff. But you know what? I earned all this. I'm still learning it, as a matter of fact. Hey. Oh, I got something to tell you. I forgot to tell you this last night, and you'll know what I'm talking about. But recently, y' all got asked to assist on a case, somebody that's doing life in Angola, and they had to send me. I said, look, the. I mean, of course I'm unbiased, right? It's about a wrongful conviction. And I get case requests every day, you know that. But this one, because it's. A dear friend of ours asked me and she said, you know, will you come on? And it's a big deal. They, you know, got. They're doing a documentary on it and all that. And I was like, I'm not touching that unless I get to talk to this cat face to face. And I want to know if he's really innocent, right? Yeah, because you got some badass charges and life and it ain't for murder. So let your imagination wonder so. But I would say like, you know, I'll go in open minded and it. I'll drive up to Angola where I used to work and. And slide on in there and see what this cat's all about, right? So he had to send an inmate, whatever visitation form, and I had to be approved. You filled it out? Sent back in, and I need you to check the mail because hopefully they're going to give a response. But I found out last night I got denied.

[Cindy Overton]

What?

[Woody Overton]

How'd you find out Our friend messaged me, sent me the screenshot, said the convict, sent the screenshot to the producer and all that. Said what? He got denied. They're refusing his visitation.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh.

[Podcast Co-host]

And the only thing I could think.

[Woody Overton]

It goes through. They're. It's. It's pretty. Pretty radical lies. I mean, I radicalize in a bad way, but they're pretty in depth on that. But I think. Think I would like to think that it's because it was for my safety.

[Cindy Overton]

I was an officer.

[Woody Overton]

Safety.

[Cindy Overton]

Oh, no, you're not.

[Woody Overton]

Officer. But it's for my safety because I have a ton of people that are never going to get out of Angola. Yeah. And if they just happen to look across the visitation room, see me, you already got life. What. What's to come, you know, stop you from coming over and trying to beat you to death with a can of coke? Right. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

[Cindy Overton]

And it was basic information. I mean, we didn't have to give a dissertation.

[Woody Overton]

It's not like I got a criminal history.

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

And. But I definitely denied, so I'm sure they'll. They'll send a. He's gonna try to. The. The convict's gonna try to find out the. I'm sure he wanted me on his team. If he is actually innocent. And yes, there are innocent people in prison, and I get that. The. But I wasn't even gonna tell anybody about it.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

I was gonna go check his temperature, and then the. If he's legit on the sessions. It's a lot. Yeah, but it's. It would have been a. It had been a humdinger to take the case, but if he's innocent, he's innocent. But I. I got. I don't have enough knowledge to say one way or another, no, but I know I ain't going to Angola, but I really didn't want to go to Angola anyway.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, no, I know you didn't want to. You have offer upon offer to go. You know, to get the tour. Like, you need a tour.

[Woody Overton]

That and the rodeos.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, come on. You can have the box seats in. Rose. You. I'm going to that motherfucker. Even one of the ex wardens said, no, don't worry about it.

[Podcast Co-host]

We. We keep the babblings locked up.

[Woody Overton]

I'm like, are they all bad ones? The.

[Podcast Co-host]

The. The ones that are trustees have to be there for 10 years. 10 years before they can even get selected to go do anything with the rodeo.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And I'm like, I'm. And, you know, I used to When.

[Podcast Co-host]

I started out as a detective, I.

[Woody Overton]

Had a 20 year plus club. Not even as a detective in uniform patrol. I started a 20 year plus club for people that got sentenced to more than 20 years. Right. I figured people that would be there after I was retired. And then I was like, fuck that. After a couple months, I'm like this. I had to fill up walls.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. Real quick.

[Woody Overton]

All right, go ahead.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, that kind of actually, weirdly, which we do often leads to my next question. When you sat on trial as the detective, how many people had. Because I know if you sit down with anybody, you're basically going to get a confession. And sometimes you didn't get a confession.

[Woody Overton]

Sometimes I didn't need a confession.

[Cindy Overton]

Right? Well, yeah, right. But how many times in trial did someone admit to the crime?

[Woody Overton]

Fucking never. What's the point of going to trial.

[Podcast Co-host]

Unless they got into like the first.

[Woody Overton]

Day of trial jury selection, they're like, fuck that, I'll take the plea deal.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, there's a man in Wisconsin.

[Woody Overton]

Wisconsin. What up, my peeps?

[Cindy Overton]

Tony Haas is 54, and he was acquitted on a pair of murder charges in August. And his story was the subject of actually Friday night's episode of Dateline called Raising the dead. Back in 1992, Tana Dagstad, who's 23 years old, and Timothy Mumbrew, who were 35, were found dead outside Tagstad's farmhouse, or Togstad. I'm sorry. Togstad and Tad suffered multiple stab wounds while Mumbrew was killed by a single stab wound in the chest. But let's now fast forward three decades to the year 2022.

Cops, having identified Tony Haas as the potential suspect, staged a traffic stopped and obtained some of Haas's DNA and ran it against DNA collected after the bodies were found in 1992. And officials say that the two samples matched. So Haas was brought in for questioning, where cops say he told them he only remembers snippets of entering the house and getting into a scuffle with Mumbrus, though he allegedly worried he might be involved in the slayings after seeing news reports about the crimes. I might be involved. I don't remember, though. During this interrogation, cops claim Haas revealed a connection between himself and Togstad, explaining their fathers were friends until his dad died in a snowmobile accident in which Tog Dad Tog's. That's hard things. Togstad's dad was also involved, and this happened about 15 years prior to the two murders. Cops say he admitted to drinking on the night of the murders. Subsequently, prosecutors charged Haas with two counts of first degree murder. His lawyers argued Tony was coerced into a false confession by cops during the interrogations. They also claimed his uncle Jeffrey Thile, who died in 1995, actually killed the two people. Jeff's daughter Heather, has said she believes her father actually committed the murders. So Haas team also pointed the finger at another convicted murderer, Glendon Goker, who admitted to killing the two in 2013. But the prosecutors argued he had a history of making false confessions. In August of 1995, a jury found Haas not guilty of the two murders, though Tana's brother Richard Togstad had since filed a civil suit for 17 million against him, and Haas has denied all wrongdoing.

[Woody Overton]

The civil suits have a way lower burden of proof than a criminal trial. It's just like OJ they found him not guilty because they had to. They didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but they got him guilty. And in the civil case and he had to pay the families or was supposed to pay the families all the money. They got a big judgment against him. So and the the.

And I know Ms. Barbara on Haley's case, had looked at trying to do a civil suit.

[Podcast Co-host]

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[Woody Overton]

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[Podcast Co-host]

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[Woody Overton]

For a lack of prosecution or actually just against Brooks for the legal taking of Haley's life. And she could have got a civil case against him and won it, no doubt about it. Hands down. Just like they could have won the criminal convictions. They hadn't it all up.

But there's nothing to get. You can't get blood from a was it blood from a stone or turnip from a blood or some like that. The.

Interesting. You know, that's the one other person I can't remember which case it was. He. It wasn't my case. It was somebody I was working with case he beat the murder charge and walked out of the courtroom and and confessed to it because you can't do anything to him. That's double jeopardy.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

The what they're saying is double jeopardy on Brooks Cleary's case is they never tried him for the murder. They tried him for the concealment of the body.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Podcast Co-host]

All right.

[Woody Overton]

You know.

Wait till I read you this one, mama. You're gonna know all about it.

[Podcast Co-host]

And y', all, this is not a big major deal in the world of.

[Woody Overton]

Crime, but it's got a little Woody Overton in it.

Are you ready?

[Cindy Overton]

I think so.

[Podcast Co-host]

We're going to Baton Rouge, Louisiana.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

They had a man have man named Chad Hughes. Oh, now you know. Huh? Huh.

[Cindy Overton]

All too well.

[Woody Overton]

You know, I thought about.

Responding in all the posts and everything. The story's been all over Facebook and everything else. And I'll explain why in a minute because I have personal deep knowledge of this.

[Podcast Co-host]

The Chad Hughes who's the Baton Rouge.

[Woody Overton]

Restaurant renter, who's a whole he. Look, he's owned a lot of things over the years, but the he's behind the Bengal Tap Room and the now closed bars pizza. Well, guess what? He had a lot more than that. And I'll explain to you a minute. The he has been arrested and charged with felony theft and issuing a worthless check. Now, y' all don't take a check for this when I tell you.

[Podcast Co-host]

So, Baton Rouge's police arrested Hughes, who's.

[Woody Overton]

41, after an investigation into a worthless.

[Podcast Co-host]

Check he wrote for the twenty thousand.

[Woody Overton]

Dollar purchase of a trailer and dumpsters. And according to the affidavit, Hughes arranged to buy the items on Facebook Marketplace back in June.

[Podcast Co-host]

And when the seller tried to deposit the check that Hughes gave him as.

[Woody Overton]

Payment, the check was returned due to insufficient funds. I'll tell you about my part in a minute. So what does he do? Naturally tries to reach out to Hughes and.

You know, hey bro, your check didn't go through. And Hughes, as he's done to me personally, he's told me the same thing.

He was like, oh, it's, it'd be cool. Run it again. Yeah, I'm gonna put the money in account. Right. Well, they, they did that and guess what?

[Cindy Overton]

It bounced again.

[Woody Overton]

And so he keeps trying to reach out to Hughes. And then Hughes cut off all communications and made no effort to return the dumpsters and trailer. Well, on August 4th, almost two months later, the seller contacted Baton Rouge City.

[Podcast Co-host]

Police Department about the sale.

[Woody Overton]

And an investigation into Hughes was open.

[Podcast Co-host]

Well, nearly four months later.

[Woody Overton]

Every dog has his day. Chad Hughes.

[Podcast Co-host]

On Monday, December 1st, Hughes was arrested. Two days later, on Wednesday, Hughes posted.

[Woody Overton]

A two thousand dollar bonding. And you can imagine he was rolling hard back in the day. Right? And he's got to spend two days in jail because he can't make a $2,000 bond and. But he finally made it and was released from the East Baton Rouge Parish prison. Hughes previously faced a potential eviction from the downtown bar Happy's Irish pub in 2023 when he faced legal issues over noise complaints and run delinquency. All right, this, I'm gonna take issue with this and say it. He didn't.

Face, just face potential eviction. We got him evicted because my daddy owned the building that Happy's Irish Pub was in. And I personally, he kept writing bad checks to months worth to, to my dad. And then I personally took it over and he oh no, I'm going tomorrow morning. And he did, he went to the bank and put another bad check in. And I'm like, let's see leg. And so I called the DA's office and went through the steps in the process and then ultimately we just went ahead and had him evicted and we.

[Podcast Co-host]

Went to court to eviction court and.

[Woody Overton]

Our attorney Blaine went. I sat in the parking garage with my dad because I was worried about what my dad would do if he saw Chad Hughes. And Chad didn't even bother to show up.

[Podcast Co-host]

So he is not a potential eviction.

[Woody Overton]

He got evicted. But when the Morning Advocate interviewed him, he said it was because my dad raised the rent during COVID That was a lie.

[Cindy Overton]

Also he gave him a break during.

[Woody Overton]

COVID and didn't even make him pay and stuff. But the thing is he.

[Podcast Co-host]

That's public record. Go look it up.

[Woody Overton]

Go look it up in the Morning Advocate that he said that about my daddy. And, and they called me for, for a comment. I said, you know what there, go read the eviction papers. I have no comments. I don't need to talk about this turd anymore. Right. Anyway, so we evicted him and the he had to get out and we graciously gave him more time. I got my dad to give him more time to get out than I should have. But anyway, either way, he went to jail.

[Podcast Co-host]

But he was also sued last year.

[Woody Overton]

By commercial realtor Hank Siraj. You know who that is? Community Coffee. And they said Hughes failed to pay back a $1.85 million loan and a $100,000 advance. And then he owned the City Bar and Boudreaux and Thibodeau's and they have now since both closed.

[Podcast Co-host]

Also, WBRZ also reported that Hughes's property, which once housed the city bar, was.

[Woody Overton]

Also seized after he failed to repay nearly 2 million dollar loan from the U.S. small Business Administration. That was another bigger thing of his. He told me, oh, don't worry about it. I'm getting a loan from the Small Business Administration. And you know, you want to believe in people, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And, and there's certain that we want to believe in. Since then they're kind of involved in the same situation and they're just. And if you're listening, you know I'm talking about you want to believe in people and give them a good chance and and try to help them whatever. And some people are just going to be and now who do I feel sorry for? I saw the I've been following some social media and the they had pictures of him with his boys at entire stadium and and really good you know sideline seats and all that feels bad for his kids. Yeah but the I don't know what happened to him at the you know Happy Hours Pub was Most people don't know that that was the guys who started Walk Ons Bistro and which made the number ones at one point made ESPN's number one sports bar in the world and they sold Chad Hughes the Happy Ass Irish Pub and just that was their flagship business and they're the headquarters that my dad owned all his buildings and their headquarters for Walk on started out and what would end up being the happiest expansion and run it all on the ground. You just open restaurant after restaurant after restaurant and caught up to him. But the the crime of it is you knew when you issued a $20,000 check just like you knew when you issued the the monthly checks to my dad that you didn't have the money.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And that is a crime.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And cops love to tell you oh no that's a civil matter. No when you yeah it kind of was a civil matter and in my dad's case because they did have a lease. Yeah but this this guy and when you Essentially the Louisiana via statute is 1467 is theft.

The I think I'm going off top of my head it states when you that and and this type Right. It's not like you go on the 711 still a beer the on this type of theft the or issuing worthless checks the when you give someone a form of payment that's not valid and then they like they give you the trailers and and then all he had to do Hughes could Could have returned the yeah and which would have been the right thing to do. He could return the and then it would have been a silver matter. Right right because the guy lost time on his stuff or whatever. But when you have a it's proven that you have an intentional intent to not return ever make good on the promise or return the property. That is why you have the bad check division and it's through the district attorney's office. Those forms you got to fill out and all that. So if you ever get I don't know who the takes a check anymore for any thing but if you ever get one call the if in you're in Louisiana, call the district attorney's office.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And they have a issue, whatever they call IWC division. And they'll give you the paperwork to fill out and all that. And if you have to get a police report, whatever, because the items and stuff. But don't do it. Don't, don't, don't write a check, don't take a check.

[Podcast Co-host]

Let me tell you about checks.

[Woody Overton]

The.

You know, they're so good at it. Now the, these fraudulent checks. Chad's was just bad because it was just bad. But people like, oh, you're selling your home. Well, look, I'm in Europe for the, you know, in the next two months. Let me go ahead and give you the down posit on it. And so they send it and you deposit it and your bank says, yes, it's good, right? Guess what? It's good for seven fucking days because the banks can't even tell the difference now. And they put that money into your account and then the person's like, oh, you know what, my mama died or some, can you give me fifteen hundred dollars so I can get back and close this deal with you? And people do it and it's a fraud, it's a scam. And it happens every day. It happens. It happened to a very dear loved one of mine. And even though I told him, I said that's a scam, don't do it. And, and, and oh no, no, the bank says it's good.

[Podcast Co-host]

And sothisby's auctions house says it's good.

[Woody Overton]

I said, they can't. They don't know any better than the bank.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

They don't spend the money and don't.

[Podcast Co-host]

Take any actions because I'm telling you.

[Woody Overton]

It'S coming back in seven days they're going to return the check. And they do.

[Podcast Co-host]

And they could call the bank. It's not like it's, it's, it's a check written off a fake fucking bank. They call the bank and say, is the money good?

[Woody Overton]

Yes, it's good.

[Podcast Co-host]

And for whatever reason, they probably go.

[Cindy Overton]

Pull the money before it clears.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, whatever they do, whatever they do, whatever they do, they do what they do. And Chad Hughes did what he did and he went to jail. Finally. Every dog has their day. The, the, you could, you know, people and I, y' all heard me say this so many times, like he's training young cops. I said, if you catch a dude and you don't have them just right, don't, don't make it, don't make up.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Let that go. Because they're going to continue to be an Yep. And they're going to continue to do the. That they do. And guess what? You will cross paths again. As a law enforcement professional, you will cross with their paths again. And when you give stop them next time or whatever way your past may cross the and you get to dance again. The music may just be playing your way.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

You. You. You know, get them beyond a reasonable doubt and then cuff them and stuff them and I'm sure that every time Chad had some other things.

That since my father stuff where he lied in the newspaper about it and that he came against he did the same thing. He blamed the. The. Of course the property owners. He blamed them. Oh it's. It's their fault.

[Cindy Overton]

He never takes it. I'm not saying never. From what I've seen. He does not take well, that's ability.

[Podcast Co-host]

That's. This is not slander. It's all true.

[Woody Overton]

All documented, all out there. And.

Now he's got to face the criminal music. So there you have it.

[Podcast Co-host]

And you know what?

[Woody Overton]

You.

[Podcast Co-host]

You defraud the Federal Government of 2.85 million.

[Woody Overton]

At some point in time, the federal prosecutors are going to dance.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So.

[Cindy Overton]

And it's not all of his. Those businesses were thriving.

[Woody Overton]

They were great.

[Podcast Co-host]

They were cash cows rocking on 3rd street in different places. Ivars under.

[Woody Overton]

Under the bridge and. And I used to go there and I've been to all those other places. We were kind of friends, you know and so we weren't a big supporter.

[Cindy Overton]

Of the crew bash. Give us free.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. Absolutely. The you think is up and up. But.

Anyway public record he got arrested.

[Cindy Overton]

But it goes also to. You always give people the benefit of the doubt. You take them at face value until you can.

[Woody Overton]

Until. Until I get tired of Woody Overton gets tired of what in their.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So. And the there's one other person out there now that I'm tired of with and you're. And your day is coming then. But then you know the music when it comes the music will be the right righteous all the way time does it.

[Cindy Overton]

God's will. God's time.

[Woody Overton]

Yep. You made a religious skin. I'm just teasing. God's will. God's time.

[Podcast Co-host]

Don't zip tie baby Jesus.

[Woody Overton]

Come on, man. Come on. The. Anyway, the.

[Podcast Co-host]

The love and appreciate each and every one of you.

[Woody Overton]

You got anything else? Love and appreciate each and every one of you. Do you have anything else that Love and appreciate each and every one of you. Thank you for liking and listening and sharing. Thank you for blessing us with this show. It's crazy that we get to get on here and talk about sweet baby.

[Cindy Overton]

Jesus being zip tied, wrapped up and all my camo. I've got like four different layers on.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

Plus I like big old jacket.

[Woody Overton]

I like it cold.

[Cindy Overton]

My nose is running faster than you.

[Woody Overton]

Can look at, literally. All right, look. Love y'. All.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes. Thank you so very much. We are so very blessed.

[Woody Overton]

And love, love, love you. Thank you, Patreon convicts. Thank you national sponsors. Love y'. All. Holler at you later. And I'm Woody Harrison. Taste the true crime. Time for this Friday Hogshire piece.

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