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True Crime Time For February 6, 2026 | John Wayne Gacy, Cold Case Murders & Community Safety
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Welcome to episode of True Crime time for Friday, February 6, 2026. And I'm Woody Overton in my co hosts can be joining me in just a minute. So with that being said, hashtag just.
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For Bradley, hashtag just for AO, hashtag.
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Just Ms. Barber Blunt. And y', all don't forget about hashtag just for Haley. We let me see where we're at on the donations. I know we're over halfway that if y', all if you can please go donate. It's a GoFundMe. It's called Donate to Justice for Haley Funding an independent forensic view review and it is at $5,465, y'. All. So we're we are 55% of the way to get in the evidence room in to do what they do scientifically on that case. So. And continue calling you TIPS three one three R LRC tip. Thank you for everybody continuing to call in and I will do update episodes as the case progresses.
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All right, so on this date, February.
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6Th, way back in 1980, when I was just 10 years old, John Wayne Gacy's murder trial began. And we all know who he is, the serial killer, right? Gacy's known as the killer clown. He was accused of murdering over 33 men, 29 of which were discovered under his house.
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Y', all, Gacy was first suspected after.
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A young man escaped and reported Gacy to the police. However, they didn't do anything with the information. And a year later, a young boy went missing after going to speak with Gacy about a job. And when the police investigated, they discovered clothing for young men and ultimately the bodies of his victims. Gacy was convicted and executed for his crimes. Yeah, that dude was so, so evil. I watched the stuff on him. Not only was were they underneath his house, they were buried in his yard. I mean, and he would, he would hire himself out as, as a clown for kids birthday parties and stuff like that. And, and you lure the guys in for, you know, give them some alcohol and then dope them up and then have rape them and then kill them. And that evil exists, right, and exists everywhere. And that's just the way the world rolls. Always has been and always will be. And I guess that's job security for people in the true crime industry. It's time for family matters. Tell you about this one. These wonderful parents and a pair of California parents were sentenced Monday to multiple life sentences after decapitating their 13 year old daughter and 12 year old son, then forcing their two younger children to look at the bodies. Maurice Jewell Taylor Sr. Who's 39, and Natalie Samuco Brothel, who's 49, were found guilty in November of two felony counts of first degree murder with special, special circumstances after they fatally stabbed their 13 year old daughter Malik Mali Malachi and 12 year old son Maurice inside the family's Lancaster home back on November 29th of 2020. The couple then, because they're really special, right? The couple then forced their two younger sons, who are ages 8, 9, to look at their siblings beheaded bodies and they, they forced them to remain confined in their bedrooms without food for several days. How many stories we did about parents starving the kids, these idiots, I'll cut your, your siblings heads off and you got to look at it and then we're going to lock in your room. The firefighters found Malik and Maurice's bodies five days after their deaths while responding to a possible gas le this, according to Fox 11 out of Los Angeles. Officials with the Los Angeles County District Attorney's office told the Los Angeles Times that Taylor and Rothwell received the maximum sentence of two consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole, plus six years in state prison. So they, they die and come back to life. They still got to do six more years, right? But the two younger children were placed under a ten year protective order. And following the couple's conviction, the Los Angeles County District Attorney, Norm Nathan J. Hockman called the killings a monstrous act of cruelty. Said two innocent children were brutally murdered and their young brothers were left to live through an unimaginable horror. So Lancaster, y' all is about 70 miles north of downtown Los Angeles and how they don't get the Death penalty. I'll never understand it. I don't know your parents and it's not like these are babies or preteens and they cut their heads off and they make the eight and nine year old watch. Unbelievable. I think I hear my host coming in. Oh, yes, I do. Here she comes. Yay. We're finally back. Almost a full episode. I only did one story about the wonderful parents who cut their 13 and 12 year olds heads off and made the 8, 9 year olds watch. And then they locked them in the room. Yeah.
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I don't know.
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With no food.
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I don't understand people.
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Yeah, well, then, y', all, this is Cindy Overton talking to you.
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It is.
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So I don't understand it either. I mean, the God, Lord, the. It just goes on and on. I mean, we do so many stories about this and gotta have a license, drive a car, but nothing. Nothing at all to be a parent.
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No, nothing.
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Which is crazy.
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Yeah.
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There you have it. Okay, what do you got?
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I've got a stabbing at a school.
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Oh, nice. I know we say shoot 20 people.
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We're going to Conroe, Texas.
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Been there many times. Lake Conroe.
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But a student was rushed to the hospital on Monday after being stabbed at their school, which is Grand Oaks High School. And according to Conroe isd, the student suffered three stab wounds after an altercation. It's like a let. I mean, yeah. With another student. That occurred around 9am on campus. EMS was immediately called to the scene. The student was taken to the hospital for their injuries. And officials say that both parents of the involved students were notified. And the Conroe ISD police Department, along with the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office responded quickly to the incident and were able to apprehend the suspect, who obviously was a juvenile.
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Yeah.
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Conroe ISD said there's no ongoing threat to students or staff and the incident is currently under investigation. And of course, they added, appropriate disciplinary and legal actions will be pursued in accordance with district policy and the law. And the district said that additional Conroe ISD police officers will now be on campus for the rest of the week following the incident. But of course, since they're minors. No, they didn't make any identification. Identify who anybody was.
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Shout out to my buddy jd. I'm sure he's. If he's not the chief by now, but he used to be high ranking anyway in their investigations and was a polygraphist. We went to polygraph school together, what, 21 years ago. But it's everywhere. It's everywhere. The, you know, the kids stuff. I was talking to Mama today and we were talking about the shooting at the Mar Parade and Clinton and my aunt, my God, my godmother is the judge who's handling the case. And she told her, said that shooter was in the courtroom and just was given the most evil stare. And at the end she didn't lose it, but she told him, said, you know what, you can stare at me all you want to. I didn't put you here. You put yourself here by making these life choices.
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Yeah.
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And then an Ethel, which is another small town, smaller than Clinton, they arrested another teen this week at some public thing. The sheriff being proactive and people that shake them down. And this teen had. Kid had a gun, I think a 1212 year old.
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Oh my gosh.
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Yeah. So even now it's in the country. It's everywhere.
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I mean, Ethel's about as country as country can get.
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Well, there's nothing, there's nothing there. There's not even a stop sign.
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Do they even have a. Yeah.
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And that. But anyway, let me tell you a little bit about it's time for effort of professionals. Yeah. We like, we love our pastors and preachers and, and all the good people that go to church and do good stuff for the communities and all that. Right. Well, some of them are. And this is, I'm going to tell you about this crazy case and it's a case involving a former BLM pastor in Oklahoma has slowly turned into something much bigger than most people expected. What started as a community focused effort tied to social justice now sits at the center of a serious federal fraud case. Prosecutors say donor money meant for bail, support and legal help was used very differently. And according to the court filings, that money helped fund a lifestyle filled with property purchases, steady travel and years of personal spending that the donors never knew about. And so let's talk about that real quick again. Hashtag just for Haley. And I said in the beginning, when you weren't here, we were, we're at 55%. All right. And Ms. Barbara, Haley's mama is handling that through GoFundMe and she's going to give the money directly to the evidence room and everybody's going to get to see it when it happens and all that. Well, some people, you know, they get donations for what they said, again, it for and then they don't do what they said. So this lady's name is Tashella Sherry Amore Dickerson, and she's a pastor, an organizer who once spoke publicly about equality and reform Today, she's in hot ass water, and she faces federal charges tied to millions of dollars that donors believe would help others. The instead, prosecutors argue the funds help support a life far removed from protest bail funds or grassroots aid. So after the BLM protests of 2020, donations flooded into local justice groups across the country, and emotions were high. And many people, you know, gave like we're hoping they're going to give in Haley's case.
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Right.
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Sometimes without asking many questions. And one of those groups was. Was Black Lives Matter out of Oklahoma City, and it was commonly referred to as BLM okc. So supporters believe their money would help protesters make bail and receive legal support. It's America. Everybody has the right to do that. Leaving your calls, absolutely. But you can't do what this ditch did. According to federal investigators, that trust slowly became the Foundations foundation. For years of misuse, donations and return bail funds were placed into accounts controlled by Dickerson. And over time, prosecutors say, the money stopped serving a public mission and was instead supporting a private lifestyle. Now, let me tell you what all happened. But this change did not happen all at once. It unfolded quietly, and they say almost invisibly, and checks were deposited and reports were submitted. And. But meanwhile, the gap between public messaging and private spending just grew wider year by year.
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That's, to me, worse than someone that doesn't support the calls. And like, I mean, it's.
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That's absolutely right. Absolutely right. And the. And they said at the heart of the case sits in a number that appears again and again, and that number is $3.15 million. Prosecutors say much of that amount came from return bail funds. Like, okay, y'. All. So they're bailing out people, protesters. And once the people show up for the court dates and handler tickets or gets dismissed, whatever, they get the money back. Right? So they get the money back into most bail systems. When defendants show up in court, the money comes back. That money is supposed to be reused again to help others. Well, investigators say that's not what happened. And those return funds ended up in personal accounts, and from there, spending, I mean, it was almost the norm for them. And they said it followed a familiar pattern. And federal records described years of transactions tied to housing costs, travel bookings, food deliveries, and retail purchases. None of these expenses looked illegal on their own. Right. So they can say, oh, well, you.
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Know, she was promoting the call.
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But when you. When they got to looking at it and they put it all together, they were like, holy shit. So prosecutors also point out the timing. They said, while these expenses continue Fundraising messages also continued and donors were still told their money supported justice work. Now, that overlap is a central part of the fraud allegations and will this could be debated in court. Right. So to understand why this case drew federal attention, it helps to understand how bail funds usually work. Now, bail funds exist to help people who cannot afford to bail to get released while waiting court dates. And the system relies on trust and careful recycling of money. Right. But usually if, you know, if you go to a bondsman, it's different. You pay 10 or 12% and they put, they sign for you to get out. If you don't show up, they lose the amount, whatever the bail is. So when a person shows up a court, the bail is returned and the return money is again in this donation system they had going on that they were saying they was used to help other people. So that's it. One of the most eye catching parts of the case involves how prosecutors say the money was spent. According to the court documents, Dickerson traveled frequently to the Caribbean. Right. Because there's a lot of, you know.
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Black Lives Matter events over there or.
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Bailing people out of jail, whatever events. Right. Trips to Jamaica and the Dominican Republic appear again and again. These trips were not tied to organizing or community work. And well, that's obvious. But beyond the travel, the spending extended into everyday life. And the, the cops say that the funds were used for large grocery delivery bills. Right. Gotta have that. Regular shopping expenses and even a personal vehicle. And none of these purchases were connected to Bell efforts or the non profit program. And I got pictures of them in the Caribbean and they're, they're so going to jail. Housing also plays a major role in the case. And investigators claim Dickerson acquired or controlled several properties in the Oklahoma City area. Some properties were allegedly held in her name. Others were tied to entities that she controlled. Prosecutors argued these acquisitions had no connection to any Social justice mission. And of course, the defense arguments are going to come in court, but the prosecution says the narrative is clear. They said the donor money created comfort and security, not change. And, you know, it goes on and on. But that's crazy. I mean, that's just, you know, it's like the GoFundMe thing. We, I had a couple of bad cases, not when we didn't try to raise any money, but we were, you know, giving them whatever and they turned out to be scams. But these people, I mean, this is a pastor.
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Yeah.
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In a church, and they're taking it. And I'm sure they started in the beginning, like a lot of these People did. They're like cookie jars open and nobody's regulating the rib but me. Right. And so let me just take a trip down to Jamaica, the Caribbean, and have, you know, a thousand dollars worth of groceries delivered to my house. And shame on you.
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Shame on you.
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Right. And it wouldn't matter if it was BLM or, you know, whatever. Any. Any pastor. Any pastor that steals or anybody that steals money that's donated for a cause that they are approached and they're like, yes, we believe in this, and here's my hard earned money, and you can take that and. And buy yourself a vehicle.
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Well, I thought when you're telling the story, I'm thinking of when we were able to incorporate LOPA into the Crew Bash.
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That would have been a procurement agency. Yeah.
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And we had a huge fundraiser. We had live raffles, auctions. We raffle. I mean, all of it. And we had paper tickets at one point, like for the raffles. We paid for that. We then turned around when someone made the tickets. I hand written wrote them and mailed them out to people, which was an expense to us getting the items, shipping them to people, all of the extra expenses we incurred. But we did it because we believe in the Louisiana.
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Yeah. We're not.
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I mean, it's just.
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But there are people out there who.
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Would have took that money and gone to the Caribbean or whatever. We do these stories, fraud stories all the time. And shame, shame, shame now. Shame, shame, shame. Everybody knows your name and I bet you're not a pastor anymore. So in this federal. Should be in federal prison. So. All right, well, that being said, what you got?
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Well, I've got a cold case that's being revived.
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Love, love that.
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I know you do. We're going to Lake Charles. And the cold case is 20 years old. And police and family of Brandi Dyson, of course, have been searching for answers in her murder case for 20 years.
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Wow.
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Holly Searcy was just 10 years old when she got the news of her mother's death. She says, they sat me down on the porch swing and told me that my mom had been murdered. Can you imagine being 10 years old and just sit you down, your mama's been murdered. I don't know if I would have phrased it that way when our kids were 10, but she goes on to say, she said that that was really hard. Dyson was a native of kinder, but she was displaced because of Hurricane Rita at the time, and she sought shelter at the Lake Charles Civic center, now the event center. And it was November 5th when she got a call around 11:55am and people walking by noticed that there was a body in the water. So we went out and identified the body as 32 year old Ms. Brandy Dyson. And Lake Charles Police Department Deputy Chief Kevin Kirkham is giving that information. Between the lack of evidence and witnesses, police say the case has had its difficulties. Kirkham explained that evidence was scarce during the initial investigation. And he said for us I mean it was 2005.
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There's no tell that put it in context. They the when Katrina hit everybody evacuated that away. But then most people don't remember that the storm cat five just as bad as Katrina hit Lake Charles.
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Right.
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And just shafted everything.
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Exactly. But on top of that whole logistics shaft of everybody being there and then that there was obviously no surveillance videos.
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Right.
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No body cameras.
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Everything, everything was destroyed. We were first SWAT team that have boots on the ground. The sheriff sent us there. They when it happened and and I mean there was. It was destroyed.
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Right. He said. After. After 20 years cold, the case has been revived with Kirkham at the helm.
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While new technology may be helpful, it's not something investigations can rely on, especially this type of. This old. I guess like the difficulty lies and things that we collect today and use today, which were not even collected in the 80s and 90s, right?
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Yeah. You get lucky if you had some leftover blood stains or something be tested, that they actually held on to the place it didn't get destroyed and all that.
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And she's in the water. So DNA. So some things can be used and some things can't be used. Kirkham said in February of 2006. He said there was a break in the case and a suspect was actually arrested, but he was released a year later in July of 2007.
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Have enough, right?
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A Calcasieu grand jury decided there was not enough evidence. But multiple times throughout these 20 years, we've gotten a morsel of hope, and of course they've held on to that hope, never give up, and everything that they have amounts to nothing, he said. But I don't, and I can't tell you how heartbreaking is that it is for me and my family members. Searcy said that through talking about her mom, she's found the conversations healing. Something that I struggle with is that my mom, Brandi was not the perfect victim. She had her own set of issues.
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You know, and most victims aren't.
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And she had. She was an alcoholic and she experienced homelessness. But that doesn't mean she deserved what happened to her.
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Absolutely not.
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And that doesn't mean that she doesn't deserve justice. And when Searcy was asked if there was something she would tell her mother today, she said this. I would tell her that I love her and that I have. And I am so happy that she is my mom. I wouldn't change a thing. I am so, so sorry that she left this earth in the way that she did. But I know that she's in heaven smiling down on me.
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Yeah.
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Police say they hope bringing this case back to the surface encourages possible witnesses from 2005 to come forward. And obviously the ultimate hope is to bring answers to Brandy's family. I still have faith today. I have faith that it will be solved. I have faith that justice will prevail. Sir Searcy said, I'm not going to stop until this case is solved. So police are urging for an.
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You know, kudos to them for bringing it back to the forefront and working it and trying to do what they could do and good luck to them. Each one of these cases is so totally different than the previous one or the next one that you'll do. And we know what it's like to be under that gun, if you will, but you never give up. You never surrender. The bad guys got to get lucky every day. Cops only got to get lucky once.
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Right?
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Right.
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And I just want to finish this. It says, police urge anyone who might have been around the lakefront that night in 2005 to come obviously come forward. And that anything that even if it's irrelevant to you, it might not be irrelevant.
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So I always say, call it in, call it in, call it in. You don't never, never know which one is going to be the one that breaks the camel's bag. Just like I'm sitting here, I'm getting a message from this person and burning Paris saying they need to talk to me. It's urgent. And I said, you know, I'm recording. And they were like, please call as soon as you get done. They. But she. This might be the tip that does something right. So we don't know. And I will call them when we get done. All right, well, let's rate fast food fried chicken places.
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Fried chicken. Not only fried chicken, like Popeyes churches.
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Let's that fast food fried chicken places.
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C
I know, but you've got fried chicken.
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Tenders, chick fil a the traditional whatever kind. It doesn't matter.
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Canes is only fried chicken. But I want you give me the list and.
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Places that have bones in their chicken. You can get tenders or whatever, but they have bones and size. Okay, Rate them.
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Popeyes.
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That's your favorite. All right. And mine is probably Church's Spicy.
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Okay.
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Right. Second favorite churches least favorite Kentucky. Right. Mine too. And so I'm gonna take you to kfc. The Colonel special chicken. They used to have one in Laplace. We'd stop in a store for another day and they had the buffet. We'd go in there and tear up the buffet.
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You probably made them turn out the lights, right?
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Well, we're going to out to Vegas. And two men attacked and stabbed a Kentucky Fried Chicken worker multiple times. What's in Nevada? During a dispute over what?
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The biscuits not having close gravy.
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Okay, right.
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I would too.
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And so James Carter is 48 and Gerald Carter is 32. Where you would not stab somebody over gravy. James Carter, 48, and Gerald Carter, 32, were arrested and booked on attempted murder charges for the assault that broke out on December 27th at a Las Vegas KFC. In this, according to local KSNV, they said cops responded to the fast food chain after receiving reports of a customer stabbing a worker. Officers got there and they detained four people and they discovered a large folded knife in Gerald Carter's pocket. One of the people detained said they bought food at KFC and left after Gerald became upset about his gravy. And this, and this isn't a police report. Can't make this up. So the disgruntled customer became more enraged after going back and forth to the KFC multiple times over his fucking gravy. And this, according to the staff. And he said the staff had disrespected him. Right. So Gerald then returned to the store with his uncle James and the pair seen the surveillance footage going behind the counter. Gerald was spotted in the clip stabbing the employee several times as his uncle put the employee in a severe chokehold for several seconds over some gravy. The worker was taken to a local hospital for treatment and his current condition is not immediately clear. Gerald later admitted to the cops that he got into a fight with the worker, but stressed that his knife stayed in his pocket. Well, they got you on video. But the fuming patron claimed the employee was calling him names and disrespecting him, which sparked the fight. Anyways, they gave him a hundred thousand dollar bond and he and his uncle are being held and all that stupid. So if you work at the kfc, I mean, what the can a fast food employee say to you that's so bad you're gonna go back three and four times and then go behind the counter and stab them?
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Especially when you're talking about gravy.
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Well, anything. I mean, what employee of what restaurant can piss you off so bad that you're going to go back three or four times and stab them deaf on video?
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I mean, for me, nothing.
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Exactly. Exactly what I said. But you know what? You did a story from 2005 on a cold case. I'm gonna give you another one. We'll give you a twofer. And this is a cold case murder of Tammy Fickey, who's a. Who's a woman who was found dead behind an apartment building in Tampa, Florida, more than 20 years ago. Right. Which I'd always love to see some justice get handled. Vicki was 31, was killed inside a Tampa apartment on March 12th of 2005. I can't believe that's been 20 years ago. Holy. But according this, According to the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office, she. She lived in Tampa but did not die at her home. But that evening her body was found and she. They said she died of blunt force trauma to her face, torso and her chest area. And this according to Daniel L. Bendig, who's a special senior investigator with sheriff's office. Her death, well, it should be a murder, was ruled as a homicide and the suspect was identified. There was not enough evidence to get his or hers arrest. The suspect's arrest, which happens every day. We know about that, right. After a new look at Vicki's death In November of 2022, cold case detectives with the sheriff's office said a fresh investigation determined that a familiar suspect named Arthur DeBose killed Vicki. Now, the investigation involved interviews with DeBose as well as with former and new witnesses and a review of forensics evidence. And again, this is why it's so important. Like Haley's case getting the. The forensic evidence re examined. Bradley and Austin's case. Go back and look at it again. Right. So In December of 2022, at the RMC Correctional Facility, investigators spoke with the Bose while he was in prison on drug charges that were not related to Figgy's murder. He was also known by a street name, Heavy. So they said he gave us a lot of incriminating information during this interview, which was really damning in nature for himself. And he did not admit guilt, but he gave information that only three beings would know. It'd be the victim, the perpetrator and God. And he gave us the information that no one else had. Again, I. I told y' all and just press, press, press. But then Dig said that the apartment where Vicki was killed, and I heard it's Vicki, y'. All. F I C K U I Not Vicky. Vicki was killed in March of 2005. Was rented to an individual who had actually kind of rented out to drug dealers and prostitutes. Like a flop house there Vicki was hanging out that night. And yet that she didn't have an easy life and was involved in prostitution and involved in drugs. Bendig also said she didn't deserve what happened to her. I always say that, right? And it doesn't matter what you are, you don't deserve to be murdered. But at some point that evening, Vicki left the apartment when she came back, she was killed. And one key witness who was interviewed early on in the case was interviewed within the past year by the sheriff's office. And the witness corroborated a lot of information that she gave back then. But that's what we're trying to do in these cases now. They added additional information which was important to the case. Hindsight's 20 20. So ultimately, following this interview, the 2022 interview with the base and the review of other evidence, detectives determined that the Bose had killed Vicky. Love it, love it, love it. I couldn't love it anymore, y'. All. And after 20 years, she gets justice, so. Well, she gets justice, but they know who killed her.
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Right?
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But there will be no. Well, hell or jail, it doesn't matter. DeBose can't face charges because he's been dead since June of 2024. So as a result of his death, the case considered closed. But they said for 20 years, the name Tammy Fickey never left the minds of our investigators because time does not diminish our responsibility to the victims we serve. And this according to Sheriff Chad Chronister. And he said, while the suspect's death prevents accountability, we pursue in every case. I am incredibly proud of the relentless work of our cold case unit, whose dedication ensured the truth was uncovered and Tammy's family was not forgotten. And that's awesome and amazing. What a blessing that they got it done.
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Yeah, for sure.
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Even you never know how these cases are going to work out. Each one is different and hell or jail, I'm so debosis. Either way, it doesn't matter to me. He's dead. He's in the hell.
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Yeah.
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And the fires of hell burned a little bit brighter. Right?
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Right.
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So I'm gonna do one more and then we're gonna wrap it for today. All right. So you know, and all the lifers know we're big hunters and fishermen and people and we make our own food and all that good stuff. Right. And you know, we respect animals and thankful for everything and we always get fair pursuit and take care of our stuff and when we feed our or tribes off of it and everybody that comes here. Right. Well, some people are just assholes. And we're going out to Idaho and I know they got some great hunting up in Idaho Lifers, if you want to invite me.
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Oh, my gosh.
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But we're going to Ellis, Ellis town. And a 39 year old man will never be allowed to hunt again in the state of Idaho after. You just wouldn't believe this. He admitted to roping a moose by the neck and killing it. And he left the carcass behind.
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He just killed it.
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He roped it first.
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Well, I know, but how the do.
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You rope a moose?
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That's like 1500 pounds of death.
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But. So the magistrate, judge James Howard Bennett Jr. Sentenced Spencer Oldham to 90 days in jail for misdemeanor charges of unlawful taken of game animals, birds or furbearers, Unlawful possession of wildlife and wasteful destruction of wildlife. Now, Oldham pleaded guilty to the first two counts and gave an alford plea to the third account, which seemed basically he's accepting the guilty plea. An alpha play is a guilty plea in which the defendant continues to assert their innocent, but admits that a jury would likely find them guilty based on the evidence presented. And Oldham's jail time was suspended and he was placed on unsupervised probation for a period of one year. He's also banned from obtaining an Idaho hunting license for the rest of his life. Like that makes a.
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Did he have one in the first place?
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And he's also got to pay $10,000 for the moose. The in civil rest, you know. But back on August 17, a senior they call a conservation officer, we call him, well, game wardens. But a senior conservation officer with the Idaho department of fish and game was sent to the east fork of the pasture mirror valley after a report of a dead moose. And when he arrived, the officer found a dead bull moose rotting and bloated in an open area of a short sage bench above the river bottom. And people don't know what that is, but it's like basically what we call a bank. All right. And the officer reported that the right tines the horn y' all of the moose antlers were bloody from where the velvet growth had been damaged. And most people don't know. This was telling real quick. Like whitetail deer and moose, they lose the. They lose their horns every year and it actually regrow. And the older the deer gets up until about age five or so, they'll. They'll reach max capacity. Their horns will. And then, then as they get older, their stuff shrinks. Right. So. But that when they're in velvet, that's because the blood's coming and the horns are regrowing. And that's very early in the season before it gets cold, before they start run. So anyway, the. The velvet had been damaged and the trauma appeared to be near the neck of the animal due to bruising and an abundance of maggots. Well, the maggots are going to be where the Cut is from the rope. The officer reportedly found no bullet or air wounds on the animals. And they take this shit serious. They work like a homicide, right? But core documents say Idaho does not have a moose harvest season in August, and every bull moose is considered a trophy animal, as it should be. Investigators identified Oldham as the man who killed the moose, although they said it's not really clear how he did so. But Oldham admitted that he roped the bull moose around the front left leg and neck. This dude must be a real cowboy, right? Carrie wrote me a moose. The out of here. According to Oldham, he was in the creek by himself when the moose came out of the river bottom and he roped it. He told officers he took the rope off the moose and the moose was breathing heavily and it would not get up. Said the moose meat was not cared for and it spoiled after being neglected and exposed to the elements. Oldham said he didn't want to kill the moose, but that's how it played out. And. And he stated he didn't call it in because he was guilty. Court documents state that he and the other individuals he was hunting with attempted to get the moose up, similar to how they get a cow up after it's been roped. But the moose wouldn't get up and they left it. And Oldham told all officers he found out the moose was dead. When a friend told him some hunter saw the carcass and he responded, I knew I'd that up. When asked if he had any questions for the officers, he reportedly said, Nope, I'm 100 guilty of it. It was all me. So guess what? Court of court documents, Old him did not have an auto hunt license or a moose tag. And the officers interviewed four other men who were with Old him that day. And one stated that the group was riding horses and pushing cattle from one grazing area to another. And many of the others allegedly did not see Old Ham rope the moose. But after the group left the area, one of the men said they were stopped by a man and a woman on ATV who told them there was a dead moose in the road. Another one of the men who was interviewed claim he saw the moose breathing and then continued back to the truck. Shame, shame, shame.
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Are they in trouble for being a part of it?
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Old Ham claim full responsibility.
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C
Well, I know, but I mean, how.
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Are they going to get go out? They don't have any witnesses. Old Am said, I did it. They were admitting, baby, how about this? I. I don't know. I don't know what they're going to do. How about that. Good question. I have no answer for it. So. Speculation. But. Mr. Oldham, you're an asshole, sir. And a moose is like, big shit, man. You know, a lot of places in Alaska, the. The natives, they. When they go out and they kill a moose, they bring it back and they give a piece to everybody in the community. And it's like a cultural thing. And the animals were totally respected. And the elders who taught these people how to hunt when they were young used to give their families moose meat. So it's a big, big deal. I don't have to have a moose. It's not. I mean, I love to watch the shows and everything. I think it's fascinating. It's very hard hunting and all that, but that's not even. Not on my bucket list. It's just not. I don't need 2, 000 pounds of something I'm not going to eat. I mean, I think it's. It's an awesome. It would be an awesome experience, but.
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C
You can't eat moose meat.
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Yeah, you can eat.
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Missed me. I just don't.
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C
I mean, what if we age it and it's like prime moose, baby.
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You're talking about bigger than a cow.
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C
Okay, well, we'll be vegan cows.
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Okay. How are you going to get a moose? My Idaho to here vehicle. All right. Today is also known as Cindy wanted to throw down hard questions for Woody Day. Trying to. Trying to poke the bear. You were late. You're already on double secret probation.
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C
Oh, really?
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No, I'm just teasing. I want to eat tonight, so. All right. I got nothing. Do you got anything else? No bear poker. All right. I'm Woody Overton.
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I'm Cindy Overton.
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We host a true crime time for this Friday, February 6th. We love and appreciate each every one of you. Holler at you later. Peace.
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