True Crime Time For July 6, 2026 | Cold Cases, A Floating Arm & A Missing 4-Year-Old

Summary

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Real Life Real Crime: “True Crime Time For July 6, 2026 | Cold Cases, A Floating Arm & A Missing 4-Year-Old”

Hosts: Woody Overton & Cindy Overton
Released: July 6, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode, hosted by Cindy Overton with appearances from Woody, delves into several harrowing recent and historical true crime cases. The central theme is justice delayed but not denied, focusing on cold case resolutions, unexpected remains found by civilians, workplace violence, and the tragic realities of child abuse and disappearance. Through in-depth storytelling, Cindy and Woody provide not just facts but context, insights into investigative processes, and passionate advocacy for victims and their families.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening: Storm Damage & Community Solidarity

• [01:14–03:46]
  Cindy begins with a heartfelt acknowledgment of families affected by recent severe weather, reflecting on her own family’s past loss from flooding. She emphasizes community resilience and the long road to recovery after disasters.

  “The cleanup is where it’s at. My goodness, that takes years sometimes. And it’s just very…just disheartened. It’s just a sad situation.” — Cindy Overton [01:33]

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2. Notable Date: Jeffrey Epstein’s Arrest

• [03:46–05:15]
  Cindy notes the anniversary of Jeffrey Epstein’s 2019 arrest, referencing the gravity of the case but expressing the intent to focus on other topics.

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3. Cold Case Spotlight: Margaret Orozco Jackson (San Diego, 1990)

• [05:15–23:22]
  Cindy recounts the 1990 murder of Margaret Orozco Jackson, found strangled on a San Diego hillside. The narrative underscores the painstaking evidence preservation — specifically, DNA from under Margaret’s fingernails — at a time when forensic science was in its infancy.

• Preservation of Hope:

  • Despite the case going cold, detectives preserved what evidence they could, believing technological advances might one day yield answers.
  • Cindy compares Woody’s dedication to cold cases he’s solved, noting how “those cases haunt good detectives” and can lead to breakthroughs long after the initial investigation.

  "No tip is too small. And one tiny piece of evidence that investigators had the foresight to preserve is what solved it." — Cindy Overton [05:23]

• Break in the Case:

  • In 2018, Randall Euler’s DNA is entered into CODIS after an unrelated conviction, resulting in a match.
  • Euler is recorded by an undercover operative in jail making incriminating statements:

  "She scratched me."
  "I threw her down a hill." — Cindy Overton recounting Euler’s words [23:22]

• Resolution & Reflections:

  • Euler is convicted in May 2026, over 35 years after the murder.
  • The victim’s family speaks at sentencing, reflecting the profound, decades-long pain endured.

  "Sometimes justice is slow, but sometimes justice still comes." — Cindy Overton [23:00]

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4. Civilian Discovery: The Floating Arm in Lake Mattoon, Illinois

• [23:22–38:07]
  Cindy tells the unsettling story of a family out boating who finds a human arm floating in the lake, quickly identified by distinctive tattoos after authorities circulate images.

• The victim is identified as Dale Wayne Turner. Further remains are found and two suspects, James Adams (26) and Robin Turner (62), are arrested for concealment and dismemberment but not yet charged with murder as of the episode’s recording.

  "No matter how careful someone thinks they've hidden a crime… within a shadow of a doubt you cannot tell me any different… All done in the dark comes to light. There's no such thing as a perfect murder." — Cindy Overton [37:30]

• Notable Moments:

  • Cindy’s father’s “S and D” (Sex & Drugs) talks to keep her safe, teaching her about prison tattoos — a reflection on staying vigilant and observant.

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5. Workplace Violence: A Murder at the Clemens Food Group Plant

• [38:15–51:45]
  The podcast covers the fatal stabbing of Brandon Eduardo Velasquez Chavez Antonio (21) by coworker Falmier Gimsley (20) over a disputed work knife. The stabbing, which took place on the production line of a pork processing plant, shockingly escalated from a minor argument to homicide.

• Prosecutors reveal the accused had a prior deportation order, which may impact the legal proceedings.

  "I cannot imagine doing that as a living. But what I don't think of is having a disagreement with my co worker that would end up in a homicide." — Cindy Overton [45:07]

• Cindy connects the story with her father’s vigilance in protecting his children, recounting an attempted child abduction in her own family history.

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6. Family Matters: The Missing Four-Year-Old, Javaya Harris (Aiken, South Carolina)

• [51:52–62:50]
  Cindy reports on the disappearance and likely homicide of 4-year-old Javaya Harris. Initially reported missing on June 30, investigators now believe she was dead for a month before the report — a revelation that changed the nature of the search from rescue to recovery. Both parents, Jamaria Harris (23) and McKayle Herring (22), were arrested and charged with homicide by child abuse and filing a false police report.

  “Sadly, it was already too late to save her the moment the 911 call came in.” — Cindy Overton quoting Sheriff Marty Sawyer [52:33]

• Cindy discusses the toll such cases take on entire communities, from first responders to volunteers.

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7. Reflections & Community Acknowledgements

• [62:50–End]

  • Cindy closes with gratitude for the RLRC community and the “lifers,” encourages listeners to review and share the podcast, and reiterates the show’s mission: every victim deserves to be remembered and every case needs a voice.

  "Remember, most importantly, every victim has a story and every victim deserves to be remembered." — Cindy Overton [61:55]

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Notable Quotes & Standout Moments

• On Cold Cases:
  "It's those little things. Thank goodness that detective decided to collect that evidence. He knew it couldn't be used fully yet…he had the foresight to take it." — Cindy Overton [23:15]

• On Civic Responsibility in Crime Solving:
  "No tip is too small." — Cindy Overton [05:23]

• Justice and Technology:
  "...the technology did catch up like he anticipated. And it took 35 years for this family to hear the word 'guilty'. But I get goosebumps and cracked voice because I know way too many families that need to hear those words or that word." — Cindy Overton [23:12]

• On Society and Evil:
  “All done in dark comes to light. And there’s no such thing as a perfect murder.” — Cindy Overton [37:30]

• On the Reality for Victims' Families:
  “...these cases affect everyone. Of course they affect the families that are involved, but they actually affect all of the volunteers, the investigators, the dispatchers, the 911 handlers, the helicopter crews, the neighbors, the drone flyers…” — Cindy Overton [59:44]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------------------------------|:-----------------:| | Storm Damage & Community Reflection | 01:14 – 03:46 | | Jeffrey Epstein’s Anniversary Mention | 03:46 – 05:15 | | Margaret Orozco Jackson Cold Case (San Diego, 1990) | 05:15 – 23:22 | | Discovery of Arm in Lake Mattoon & Homicide Investigation | 23:22 – 38:07 | | Meat Plant Murder – Clemens Food Group (Michigan) | 38:15 – 51:45 | | Missing Child — Javaya Harris Case (South Carolina) | 51:52 – 62:50 | | Community Thank Yous and Closing Reflections (skip ads) | 61:50 – End |

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Conclusion

This episode of "Real Life Real Crime" with Cindy Overton (and Woody) underscores the unpredictable, often chilling reality of true crime. Through emotional storytelling and analytical break-downs, it highlights the progress in forensic technology, the unwavering tenacity of investigators, the critical role of vigilant witnesses and community members, and the broad, lasting impact these crimes have. Above all, it stands as a tribute to victims and a call to continue seeking justice, no matter how long it takes.

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If you or someone you know has information about a cold case, missing person, or criminal activity, reach out to authorities. Every detail matters.

Subscribe, share, and join the RLRC community to support advocacy for the forgotten and for justice everywhere.

Transcript

[Woody]

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[Cindy Overton]

Hello everybody, and welcome to True Crime Time 4 Monday, July 6, 2026 and I am Cindy Overton. And before we get started today, I really want to take a moment to acknowledge everyone who's been impacted by the severe weather over the holiday weekend. I saw on Facebook several families in Arkansas and actually several other states that are dealing with storm damage, flooding, power outages, and then of course, they'll be dealing with all of the cleanup that comes afterward. And our thoughts and prayers are with all of you and also with the first responders, the utility crews, and of course the neighbors that I know are reaching out and helping one another. And we hope that everyone stay safe. And we will pray for a quick recovery for every community that was affected. And the cleanup is where it's at. My goodness, that. That takes years sometimes and it's just very. Just disheartened. It's just a sad situation. As we get settled into the house that we've been in for a year, I'm remembering things. Sophie and I were talking about furniture yesterday and I was specifically talking about a piece of furniture that I thought I had stored somewhere and we actually lost it in the flood that we're coming up on the ten year anniversary of. So it's just life changing, you know, all of the storms that go through. I know that we had, you know, Louisiana flooding recently and the Chase Tyler band went and brought a lot of, a lot of supplies to those affected in that area. And, you know, it's just Part of being part of a community. And sometimes that community just reaches out way beyond, you know, local. And I don't know what to say about that.

[Woody]

It's.

[Cindy Overton]

It's just, again, prayers for everybody. But on this day in 2019, Jeffrey Epstein was arrested after underage girls came forward stating that they were sexually exploited by him and the investigation began. In 2006, Epstein pleaded guilty to state charges of soliciting prostitution of someone under the age of 18. And women continued to come forward stating that they were forced to have sexual encounters with influential men. The investigation created numerous conspiracy theories that only increased in number after Epstein was found dead in his cell just over a month after his. And we all know all that has transpired since that, and I will not touch on it today. There's many other podcasts that talk about all of that. And you come here for Woody. Let's be real. You come here for Woody. But you're gonna get me today, and I'm going to deliver the best episode that I hope that I can. And so let's get down to it.

[Woody]

It's time for cold cases to get hot.

[Cindy Overton]

We know all too well that sometimes justice does not come quickly, and it takes years, and it takes fights and it takes many. It takes a community to get justice. And unfortunately, we, you know, are dealing with that in a lot of cases. And I. I'm proud of Woody of taking on the cases that he takes on because they're not the. The easy ones to solve. Like, he doesn't take on, you know, I mean, it's not that he doesn't take them on. He actually. The ones that are relatively easy. He just does, like, consultations with families and. And tells them, you know, what to do with local law enforcement, et cetera. It's the hard ones that we do our best to get justice for. So this is a story that it took decades to get justice. And this is also a story where it goes off of. We always say no tip is too small. And one tiny piece of evidence that investigators had the foresight to preserve is what solved it. So we're going all the way to San Diego, California. We're going to July 11th of 1990. And it was just an ordinary summer morning. And I can only imagine how beautiful San Diego mornings are this time of year. So there was a woman walking to work, which is she always did, was just another normal morning. And as she was walking along Scripps Ranch Boulevard, something caught her eye. And lying on the sidewalk was like a length of rope, just a piece of not a piece of rope, it was a length of rope and it wasn't tied anything. She could tell it wasn't attached to a vehicle, it was just a rope. Now sometimes some people would just step over the rope and keep walking thinking like maybe it was just dropped and someone's going to come back and pick it up, whatever. But this woman was curious and she looked at the rope and wondered where the other end of it went. So she followed it and the rope stretched and it went and it went and she followed it over the edge of a hillside. And when she got to the edge of the hillside, she carefully looked down and she discovered something that I'm sure will stay with her for the rest of her life. And it was a body, a woman's body at the end of the rope. And so of course this horrible discovery, this horrifying discovery led her to thank thankfully immediately call 91 1. So responding officers arrived and found 47 year old Margaret Orozco Jackson lying on the hillside. She had been brutally beating. She was suffering devastating injuries to the head. And the same rope the witness had followed from the sidewalk had been wrapped around Margaret's neck twice. Investigators determined that she had been strangled to death and prosecutors would later say the strangulation lasted. Which Woody always explains this when he talks about strangulation. It is the most intimate form of murder. You're looking this person in the eye, they're scratching at you, fighting, resisting, and you are putting so much pressure on them that you can feel the bones in the neck crack. And you have to hold it and you have to hold it. And side note, a lot of people can hold their breath for a long time. And one of the things that we did over the weekend is the family, the traditional family holding of the breath in the pool. And I might have stayed under close to a minute. I didn't start counting until I was quite a few seconds under. And I counted to, I counted up to like 50 seconds before I decided to come up and Woody beat us all. So, you know, if I was fighting for my life, I could have pro and you know, able to gasp for air. It would, you know, potentially take what investigators believe that happened in this case, about five to six minutes of fighting before she succumbed. And of course this is described as a prolonged and deliberate killing. And I can't imagine fighting and fighting for that long. It's not like something that happens in a moment. A gunshot wound to the head, which is, which is horrific in and of itself. You immediately are gone. You know, you you're not suffering, hopefully. I don't know. I just. I can't imagine being strangled. And that strangulation obviously means that that killer meant to do exactly what it was doing. It was a conscious decision. And consciously, he or she continued to attack until they felt confident that Margaret was dead. Well, detectives immediately started processing the scene. And what that looks like, I don't know. It's on a hillside. What was the parameter? I know Woody would say a certain amount of feet. He would, really? Probably, if it's in a city block off, you know, a couple blocks, probably. Who knows? I have no idea. But these detectives processed the scene to the best of their ability, and they photographed everything, and they collected the fingerprints, and they collected all of the biological evidence. And most importantly, they collected what was underneath Margaret's fingernails. And I've heard Woody describe this many times where a lot of times that's not processed at the scene. That is, they bag them. So they put a brown paper bag around the wrist, and that's done at the autopsy. Apparently, according to this, the investigators did the collection of that evidence. I don't know. It was 1990, and so DNA testing was still in its infancy, and investigators knew they had evidence, but they simply didn't have the technology to identify the person who left the evidence. So they did the next best thing. They preserved it. They interviewed witnesses, they chased every lead that they could. But eventually, as in a lot of cases, the trail went cold. And so days turned into months, and months turned into years, and years turned into decades. And unfortunately, poor Margaret's family had no answers. And in that time frame as well, detectives retired. And there are so many detectives that retire, and they come back to help with cases, and you have people like Woody that's retired, and, you know, a case haunts them. And Barbara Blunt is a perfect example of a case that haunts Woody. And he wasn't even with Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office anymore. He was literally at the state police office. And he watched the news every day to avoid the traffic in Baton Rouge. He would stay at the office, and he would turn on the news, and he would watch it there. And he remembers that day, seeing what happened and thinking, I am so glad that I am not there now. I'm sure, really, he wishes that he was there, and he wished he was there at that time, because when you are a detective at the level of Woody, you. You just finding the justice and. And working the cases means everything to you. But these detectives, retired and new detectives, you know, would come into the scene. And if they were anything like Woody, they would see a file cabinet in the dark corner of the offices and get interested in, you know, what kind of cases are in that cabinet that's obscure, that no one really looks at, that might be marked cold cases. That's what Woody did with a couple of cases, which got him to solve quite a few cold cases that got him recognized by Louisiana State Police and recruited over there. And that became his thing. Anyway, the new detectives that inherited the file didn't have a lot more information to go off of. But nobody forgot her. Nobody forgot Margaret Jackson. And they didn't. And it's obvious, because nearly three decades later, something happened that nobody working on the case in 1990 could have predicted.

[Woody]

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[Cindy Overton]

2018, a man named Randall Euler was convicted in an unrelated drug trafficking case. Well, as required by law. Now, his DNA profile was entered into codis. And we all know what CODIS is, but I'm going to just say it again. It's a national database used by law enforcement agencies to compare DNA evidence for crime scenes with known offenders. Well, investigators compared the preserved DNA evidence from Margaret's case against the database, and they got a hit. The DNA recovered from beneath Margaret's fingernails and from other areas of her body matched Mr. Randall Oiler. Now, imagine being the detective that gets that phone call. And I really hope the original detectives were still alive when this happened. A case that's been sitting on the shelf for nearly 30 years suddenly has a name, a suspect, and then they got to continue to build that case. Now, finally, in 2023, while Euler was already in custody on. On a probation violation, detectives arrested him for Margaret's murder. During the investigation, authorities placed him in a jail cell with an undercover operative posing as another inmate. Now, they weren't really looking for a formal confession. They wanted to hear what he would say if he was talking to another prisoner. And kind of like David Anthony Burns. Well, Oiler made several incriminating statements, and at one point, for whatever reason, he said, she scratched me. And then he continues to have another conversation and another conversation with this inmate, and he goes on to say, I threw her down a hill. Now, those statements obviously weren't a confession, and they weren't a full confession. But prosecutors argued they fit the physical evidence and supported what the DA DNA had shown. So they had enough to basically take the case to trial, and it went to trial earlier this year. So the defense argued that DNA alone couldn't prove murder, and they argued that DNA can't tell investigators exactly when it was left behind or explained the circumstances. But prosecutors pointed to the DNA, the physical evidence, and. And Euler's own statements made during the undercover jail operation. And after hearing all of the evidence, the jury found Randall Euler guilty of first degree murder in May of 2026. And the judge sentenced him to 25 years to life in state prison. Now, during the sentencing, Margaret's niece stood before the court and looked directly at the man convicted of killing her aunt. And she asked him, do you have any remorse for what you did? And she called him a monster. And she spoke about the decades her family had lived without answers. The judge acknowledged that Euler had managed to avoid Accountability for more than three decades, but said justice had finally arrived. It's those little things. Thank goodness that detective decided to collect that evidence. He knew it couldn't be used fully yet he knew that the technology was advancing and improving and he had the foresight to take it. And luckily the DNA did catch up. The technology did catch up like he anticipated. And it took 35 years for this family to hear the word guilty. But I get goosebumps and cracked voice because I know way too many families that need to hear those words or that word. I'll just end it at this. Sometimes justice is slow, but sometimes justice still comes. Well, this one's a little bit different. Sometimes a detective isn't the one to break the case. Sometimes it's just a normal, ordinary family enjoying a day in the water. That's what happened last weekend in Illinois. So on June 28, a family began their day just like countless other summer days. They were out boating on Lake Mattoon, enjoying the sunshine, fishing, swimming, and just trying to squeeze out every bit of a fun weekend. I know I did that with our weekend this, you know, our time this weekend squeezing out as much fun as I could get because, you know, it's few and far between and obviously in this line of work, you never know what's going to happen. And you got to take no time for granted and no moment and no word and no hug for granted. And this family seems to be no different. They were out on the lake and something floating in the water drift towards their boat. And at first, you know, if you're ever been on a boat in a lake, things float by. For us, it's pieces of wood that Woody went through a summer of collecting pieces of wood. We would collect, we would pick a piece and we were out on the water a couple days a week. And every time we went out on the water, he, we had to get a piece of wood. And it seemed like the later in the season it got, the bigger the piece of wood got. And we had, I think it was an 18 foot party barge. I honestly don't. Pontoon boat, I honestly don't know. But we had a piece of wood tied to the side of that thing that was double the length of. Was crazy by the end. But anyway, you see dead fish, you see pieces of wood, you see random things floating by. What they thought they saw a dead fish. And one of the women on the boat named Sammy later said her father handed her an oar and asked her to push whatever it was away from the boat so she didn't think anything of it. She reached out with the oar, and then she looked a little closer. And then she noticed that what was floating was not a fish. If it was a fish, it had tattoos. So she later said that the first thing that went through her mind was, something's not right here. And then the horror hit her, and she, of course, realizing that it wasn't a fish, it wasn't debris, it was actually a human arm. I can't imagine that. And I've seen a lot of things floating in the water. I cannot imagine just being out on the boat with my family and seeing an arm floating and being asked to go push it away from the boat and realizing what it was. Well, they called Cumberland sheriff's office and they responded, and then they turned the investigation over to Illinois state police. Investigators quickly realized the tattoos might obviously be an identifying key for the victim. And one tattoo showed a skeleton wearing a green bay packers helmet, and the other was the distinctive letter or simple. Now, rather than keeping those details secret, investigators strategically released photographs of the tattoos to the public because they hoped that obviously someone would recognize them. And someone did. Well, in my younger days, my dad and I, I tell stories like this all the time, but my dad would sit me down and he would. It was a S and D talk, but they started off a little bit. Well, it was an S D talk, but it encompassed so much more. And S and D. I've always loved to give initials to things. I don't know why, but it was sex and drugs. And of course, don't have sex and stay off of drugs. And he also was doing these talks to keep me safe because we lived in a border town. And as safe as I now look back and think the border town of Laredo, Texas was at that time, it wasn't safe to him. My dad, who worked in border patrol, and. And he as a blonde hair, blue eyed girl in a border town, I was, you know, had a high price tag about, like, I would be worth a lot of money in Mexico. So if someone chose to keep me or take me and I had to learn prison tattoos, I had to learn symbols. I had to learn, like, what tattoo placement went, if it was on the forearm, if it was on the shoulder, what type of tattoo, the colors,

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[Cindy Overton]

to learn, all of that. And so now I pay attention to tattoos. I'm not trying to, like, try to see what gang someone belongs to, but I do pay attention to people's tattoos because I know it's a very personal thing, obviously, that you're marking on your body. And so I thank goodness someone else paid attention to this person's tattoos too. Because within days the police were able to identify the victim. And the victim was 38 year old Dale Wayne Turner and he was from Plainfield, Illinois. And during this time, investigators continued searching Lake Mattoon and they discovered additional human remains. And by that point they realized that they weren't investigating a missing person, they were obviously investigating a homicide. Illinois State Police say it quickly developed into two suspects. 26 year old James Adams and 62 year old Robin Turner became the focus of the investigation. On July 1, investigators served a search warrant at a home in Plainfield. And during that search they collected additional evidence and both suspects were taken into custody. Now at this point, neither suspect had actually been charged with murder. They at that time were charged with concealment of a homicide and dismembering a human body. Now they believe that additional charges will be tacked on as the investigation continues. But at that time, at this time, this is where we're at. So as this, as it stands today, investigators have not released some bits of information. One, how Del. Wayne Turner died to where investigators believed he was killed. Three, why they believe the body was dismembered. Well, I think that probably is obvious and for what relationship, if any, exists between the victims and the suspects. So as the case goes on, obviously as it moves through the court system and the investigation continues, we will get more information. But what really is, I guess what I love about this is that they didn't hold on to the information like they posted the tattoos, you know what I mean, like that which enabled them to get an identity of the person's arm that was floating and just how quickly this case came together. And I just can't imagine the family that's on the lake and then finds the arm, calls the authorities, the tattoos identify the victim, then additional remains are recovered and within a matter of days, two people are sitting in jail. It also reminds me that no matter how careful someone thinks they've hidden a crime, I believe within a shadow of a doubt you cannot tell me any different. All done. And dark comes to light. And there's no such thing as a perfect murder. And all of you out there that think you're getting away with it, you have to wake up every morning wondering, is this the day I'm caught? And it only takes one little shred of evidence to get you. And just remember that

[Woody]

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[Cindy Overton]

I don't know about you, but when I think of meat processing plants I think of, and it's probably not the type of plant that I'm thinking of, but I think of Rocky. I think of Rocky being in the meat thing, you know, like with the slabs of half a cow just punching them. I don't know. That's what I think about.

[Woody]

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[Cindy Overton]

But if you think about workers that work in a meat plant, I think about a lot of hard work. I think about a long time on your feet and I think about someone that's dedicated just to making a living because we process our own meat here and on our processing days. Those are long days and I cannot imagine doing that as a living. But what I don't think of is having a disagreement with my co worker that would end up in a homicide. And I don't think about that in any situation. But on July 29th that's exactly what happened. So we're going to Clemens Food Group pork processing plant and we're in cold Water, Michigan. It was a normal work day, but two employees didn't make it normal. And they were young and young boys, young men don't kind of have their wits about them sometimes and their machismo, you know, their ego gets to them. We have 21 year old Brandon Eduardo Velasquez Chavez Antonio, 20 year old Falmier Gimsley and they got into an argument. The disagreement centered around one of Jim Slee's work knives. We do not know how the dispute started, but tempers did escalate very quickly. And according to the probable cause affidavit, Jim Sleep later told police that Brandon tried to headbutt him. But investigators say that witnesses couldn't confirm that that happened. So obviously there's people that saw what did happen. They saw. And what they did see happen was Brandon trying to get away. Instead of the argument ending there, though, prosecutors say Jim Slee chased Brandon across the production area. And then they said that he caught up to him and stabbed him once in the lower back with a work knife. I can't imagine that you go to work, you're doing a job, you're working hard for your money, you're doing, you know, manual labor. That's not an easy job. And you get in a fight over a tool, a knife. And I get that. Like just yesterday, we were trimming. Woody was trimming a brisket, and he. We left his favorite, my favorite brisket trimming knife, my favorite meat trimming knife outside. And he was looking desperately for it. And he didn't remember that he had trimmed something else and it went outside anyway. I get it. You know, those things happen, but they don't end in homicide. Now we have one young man dead. Police were called around 7:40pm and first responders rushed in and immediately started life saving measures. But despite everything they did, Brandon unfortunately died 40 minutes later. Investigators recovered what they believed the murder weapon was, and they took Jim Slee into custody. And he just like he went without incident. He didn't run. He didn't, you know, do any of that. Well, a couple of days later, he appeared before a judge and he pleaded not guilty to an open murder charge. Bond was denied. And if he's convicted of first degree murder, he could spend the rest of his life in prison. And that's kind of what we're hoping for. Now, prosecutors also revealed something that may become an issue later in the case. They told the court Jim Slee reportedly had a prior deportation order from Texas dating back to 2024. And Immigration and Customs Enforcement has placed a hold on him, which is. This is a completely separate issue from the homicide case, but it's likely to become part of the legal process as it moves forward. And so unfortunately, we have a family that lost a young son and someone. They just lost their. They lost their cool and. And a life ended for it. Nothing's worth that, guys. I think y' all know that one of the reasons why my dad did the S and D talks and was scared about me being kidnapped. It wasn't just me, it was my brothers, of course, too. And we had to do fingerprints, and he would take current pictures of us. And he had a file with everything in it, one of the things that really sparked all of that was one time my stepmother and my two brothers were at the grocery store and my little brother, one little brother was walking and holding hands with my stepmother. The other little brother was in the carrier of the grocery cart and he was strapped in, you know, the seat belted in. And a woman came up and tried to steal him and she served jail time for this. So she tried to take him like she was ripping him through the, the middle of the seat like which she couldn't have gotten him because there's that bar that keeps you from, you know, but that goes between the legs. But she was pulling him in any way shape that she could. And then they got a. I guess there was cameras. This would have been in the early 80s, I'm guessing there was a camera, I don't know. But they found out who she was. By the time they got to her house, she had cut and colored her hair and she was leaving. And so she was arrested and she did serve time for that. And so my daddy wasn't, I mean he was hyper vigilant anyway, but he, you know, had a reason. Things like that unfortunately happened then and unfortunately they're still happening now.

[Woody]

It's time for family matters.

[Cindy Overton]

Just a few days ago, something like that happened in South Carolina. Relatively similar. A little four year old, a four year old little girl named Java Harris has been reported missing from her family's home in Aiken, South Carolina and she was reported missing on Tuesday, June 30th. According to investigators, Javaya was last seen around 8:15 that evening. Now she's described as three and a half feet tall and she weighs about 42 pounds. And when she went missing, at least the last known thing that they remember seeing her in was pink Minnie Mouse pajamas, crocs and pink beads in her braided hair. And authorities say that she loves Minnie Mouse and she loved chasing chickens in the yard. Well, immediately the Aiken County Sheriff's Office launched what became one of the largest missing child searches in the area that has been seen in many years. And within hours, deputies, state investigators, the FBI, South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, helicopters, drones, K9 teams, all of it, all began searching. They put up roadblocks, officers knocked on doors and they reviewed surveillance cameras. They searched the woods, the creeks, vacant buildings, crawl spaces. When they're knocking on doors, they asked homeowners to search every shed, every playhouse, every place a frightened four year old might hide. And in the end, thousands of acres were searched. Not just that night, not just the next Day, but for days. And everyone hoped that this would end the way we all pray stories like this would end. They, of course, prayed and hoped the little girl would be found alive. But on Saturday morning, everything changed. And Sheriff Marty Sawyer stepped in front of the cameras. And you could tell before he even spoke that he did not have good news. And he called it the hardest announcement he's made in his 36 years in law enforcement. He said in the words nobody wanted to hear. Then he said the words nobody wanted to hear. Investigators no longer believed Java was missing. They believed she was dead. But not only that, they actually believed that she had been dead for at least a month before anyone called 911 to report her missing. Think about that. Think about the disruption that this person that called 911 to report the missing. Think the disruption that that caused. We have hundreds of officers, we have hundreds of volunteers and investigators searching fields and woods hoping to rescue a child. Like everyone has hope. Everyone is like anticipating a good end. And as time goes on, they get more and more weary and scared, but want to maintain that positivity. They're walking. I can imagine walking, you know, strategically gridded out things. I can imagine all of the homeowners searching every part of their home. But investigators now believe there was never any chance of finding her alive. Sadly, it was already. This is the quote from the sheriff. Sheriff Sawyer later said, sadly, it was already too late to save her the moment the 911 call came in. So authorities immediately arrested Java's parents. Her father, number one, 23 year old Jamaria Harris, he was charged with homicide by child abuse. Her mother, McKayle Herring, was charged with homicide by child abuse. She's 22 years old and they were both charged with filing a false police report. Now, investigators say additional charges are going to happen as the investigation continues. And there are still many unanswered questions. And authorities have not publicly explained what evidence led them to what they believe happened. And they believe that the sweet baby girl died weeks earlier. They have not released a cause of death they haven't actually done, but they have. They have not said where they believe that she died, and they still haven't even found her. Investigators say they're now searching an area outside of Aiken county, hoping to recover her remains so they can bring her home and then provide answers. This is one thing that Sheriff Sawyer said, and I say this too. He thanked the hundreds of law enforcement officers. You know, those people came from everywhere, every county around them, probably across state lines. Firefighters, emergency personnel, volunteers, and federal agents who poured everything they had into this search. And then he talked about Java's extended family and asked everyone to keep them in their prayers. So it goes without saying that these cases affect everyone. Of course they affect the families that are involved, but they actually affect all of the volunteers, the investigators, the dispatchers, the 911 handlers, the helicopter crews, the neighbors, the drone flyers, the. Everyone in that neighborhood, the neighbor. I mean, like, I could go on and on and on. The people that, you know, go back and think, oh, my gosh, I actually haven't seen her playing outside in a month or whatever, you know, like, so now instead of looking for a little girl that can be saved, they're trying to recover her. And they want to, of course, build the strongest homicide case they possibly can. And so we'll continue to follow this investigation. And of course, we know that more's gonna come in the next few days or the coming days, and we will bring you any updates as we see them. And so, on that note, I'm going to end true crime time for July 6, 2026. And as always, thank you so much for spending part of your day with us, with me, with Woody. I know, I know you have a lot of choices when it comes to podcasts, and we never take it for granted that you choose to spend your time here with us. You do that, and we are so grateful for that and all of our lifers. You are a lifer. If you. I get this question almost every day. What's a lifer? 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And don't forget, I'm Cindy Overton and thank you for joining me today and until next time, take care and God bless.

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