True Crime Time For March 26, 2025 | Cruise Ship Crime, Cold Case Solved, Teacher Exposed

Summary

Real Life Real Crime: True Crime Time For March 26, 2025 | Cruise Ship Crime, Cold Case Solved, Teacher Exposed

Hosted by Woody Overton and Cindy Overton, "True Crime Time For" delves into gripping true crime stories with detailed discussions and insightful commentary. In this episode, the hosts explore a harrowing cruise ship incident, a tragic case of negligence and animal cruelty, an unsettling assault by a medical professional, and the resolution of a long-standing cold case.

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1. Cruise Ship Crime: Lewd Behavior with a Minor

Timestamp: 07:06 – 09:36

Woody and Cindy Overton open the episode by discussing a disturbing incident aboard the Royal Caribbean's Independence of the Seas. On March 20th, two Mexican nationals, Jose Diaz (36) and Ricardo Leal (37), were arrested upon the ship's arrival in Miami for "lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor" and molestation.

Key Points:

• Location and Timing: The incident occurred in the ship’s sauna on March 20th, with arrests made the following day in Miami.
• Charges: Diaz faces sexual battery, while Leal is charged with failing to disclose his HIV status.
• Victim’s Account: The minor reported being forced into sexual acts without consent, leading to the arrests.
• Legal Proceedings: Both men were denied bond and are currently held in custody pending immigration hearings.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton (07:06): "The two men were arrested when the cruise ship pulled into the dock in Miami. They are accused of lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor."
• Cindy Overton (08:15): "He didn't tell the minor that he had HIV. Absolutely not."

2. Assault by a Doctor in Hawaii

Timestamp: 18:33 – 36:08

The hosts shift focus to a tragic incident in Hawaii involving Dr. Gerhardt Koenig, a 46-year-old anesthesiologist from Pittsburgh. On March 24th, Koenig brutally attacked his 36-year-old wife during a hike in the Pali Lookout area of Oahu, Hawaii.

Key Points:

• Incident Details: Koenig struck his wife with a rock and attempted to push her off a cliff after she refused to take a photograph with him.
• Aftermath: His wife is in critical condition, having sustained multiple injuries.
• Arrest and Charges: Koenig was apprehended shortly after the attack and is facing charges of assault and attempted manslaughter.
• Professional Repercussions: He has been suspended from his medical practice pending the investigation.

Notable Quotes:

• Woody Overton (18:06): "He struck his wife with a rock and then tried to push her off a cliff because she didn't want to take a picture with him."
• Cindy Overton (35:27): "She suffered multiple injuries to her head and face as a result of the attack."

3. Colorado Negligence and Animal Cruelty

Timestamp: 30:14 – 36:08

Woody and Cindy discuss the case of Jessica Hoff, a 47-year-old woman from Colorado City, who was arrested for criminal negligence and animal cruelty following the death of her 76-year-old mother, Lavon Hoff.

Key Points:

• Background: Lavon Hoff suffered from dementia and required 24-hour care. Jessica left her mother home alone to run errands, resulting in her mother's death from dog attacks.
• Animal Cruelty: Authorities found Jessica's home overflowing with 54 dogs and seven birds in deplorable conditions, leading to multiple charges.
• Legal Consequences: Jessica faces criminal negligence charges for her mother's death and 54 counts of animal cruelty. She is currently held in Pueblo County Jail with a bond set at $50,000.

Notable Quotes:

• Cindy Overton (30:14): "Detectives said they searched for another property owned by Jessica where they found 54 dogs and seven birds living in unsanitary conditions."
• Woody Overton (35:42): "If you're in that stage of dementia, come on man, you know, it's just bad."

4. Cold Case Solved: The Murder of Anita Knutson

Timestamp: 36:30 – 45:51

In a heartening turn of events, the hosts cover the resolution of a 15-year-old cold case involving the brutal murder of 18-year-old Anita Knutson in Minot, North Dakota.

Key Points:

• The Crime: On June 3, 2007, Anita Knutson was found stabbed twice in her off-campus apartment. The crime scene showed no forced entry, and a window screen had been cut, complicating the investigation.
• Progress Over Years: Despite numerous interviews and DNA testing, the case remained unsolved, leaving Anita’s family seeking justice.
• Breakthrough: In March 2022, the show "Cold Justice" revisited the case, leading to the arrest of Nicole Rice, Anita’s former roommate.
• Trial Developments: In March 2025, Nicole Rice, now 37, stood trial. The prosecution presented testimonies from witnesses who claimed Rice confessed to the murder during heated arguments over minor issues like an alarm clock.
• Court Proceedings: Key witnesses, including a friend and a former partner, provided statements implicating Rice, strengthening the prosecution's case.

Notable Quotes:

• Cindy Overton (39:01): "Nicole Rice was Anita's roommate, and their shared apartment was the setting for the tragic events."
• Woody Overton (44:57): "They went for it. Right. And if you got nothing else, here's an example of Haley's case."

5. Upcoming Live Event and Future Topics

Timestamp: 47:00 – 48:10

Wrapping up the episode, Woody and Cindy promote their upcoming live show scheduled for Saturday, July 19, 2025, at Southeastern Louisiana University’s main campus in Hammond, Louisiana. They highlight the event's features, including alcohol and food sales, an unscripted show, and a VIP reception at the nearby Suites by Hilton.

Key Points:

• Event Details: Live performance with original content, raw and unscripted, followed by a VIP reception.
• Accommodations: Discount codes for attendees to stay at the Suites by Hilton, encouraging out-of-town guests.
• Collaborations: Partnership with Tangy Tangipahoa Tourism for creating maps and QR code-based guides for attendees.

Notable Quotes:

• Cindy Overton (46:12): "They are doing a map of the town with all the different places to go."
• Woody Overton (47:06): "They won't be there for long. It’s going to be a hell of a great night."

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Conclusion

In this episode, Woody and Cindy Overton navigate through a spectrum of true crime stories, from heinous crimes on cruise ships and disturbing assaults by trusted professionals to heartbreaking cases of negligence and the eventual redemption of a cold case. Their engaging storytelling, combined with insightful commentary, offers listeners a comprehensive look into the complexities of real-life crimes and the pursuit of justice. The episode concludes with an invitation to their dedicated listeners to join them live, promising an evening filled with riveting content and community engagement.

Transcript

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[Woody Overton]

Hello everybody and welcome to this episode of True Crime. Time for Wednesday, March 26, 2025. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

And I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

We're back at it again, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Bringing you this stuff from around the world and beyond and all that good stuff. Hey, and we appreciate y'all for tuning in, listening, thank you for liking and sharing and doing all the posts and in everything else. Right?

[Cindy Overton]

For sure.

[Woody Overton]

And so that being said, the live show, I still don't know what the ticket counts are on it yet, but I know they're selling y'all so go to any of our social media posts, click on the Live which is Saturday, July 19, 2025 at Southeastern Louisiana University's main campus in Hammond, Louisiana. In the main theater hall. We will be there weekend but that Saturday evening is the show that will be alcohol sales and food sales ahead of time on I think alcohol during the show also. But the it's going to be a raw unscripted Woody Overton original. Right? And the VIP reception will be afterwards. Everything's you Know pretty much been described home to suites by Hilton. Brand new property in Hammond, Louisiana. That's where we're all going to be staying at. Cindy got a discount code for $50 off per night. And you can stay more than one night. You can stay up to four nights, I think at the same price. So. Anything?

[Cindy Overton]

No, I have no numbers for us yet. I have outdated numbers. I'm waiting for today's numbers to come in. But I do want to say that the information is getting out because someone saw your date line and could not find our information. So they just decided to call Southeastern. Really talk to Southeastern to tell them to get in touch with them.

[Woody Overton]

Wow. So that dateline ran again last Saturday night. I wasn't aware it was a two hour special on Courtney Coco. But I was aware when my phone started going ding, ding, ding, ding with all the families. That man is just unreal that the people that are hurting and need help, right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

And hashtag justice for Haley, y'all. We're going to be wrapping up. We have this week and then one more week and that's it. And we'll press the fight, try to get justice for Haley. As always, justice for Ms. Barbara Blunt. Her murder. Versaries come up the first week of May. This could be 17 years now. It's horrible.

[Cindy Overton]

Yes.

[Woody Overton]

So somebody knows something. And one day, you know, calling you tips, you remain anonymous. And one day we're going to get them.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And just keep, keep the faith on that. But anyway, let's get down to some true crime time for Wednesday. So I'm going to just jump right in and take over the first story. Okay. You, you, you've never been on a cruise, right?

[Cindy Overton]

No.

[Woody Overton]

Well, they've got them everywhere. And I used to think it was the. When I was a yarn cop, we would all go on the cruises and they'd let you, the travel agency book it through. That shows how long ago it was. The Internet wasn't really available and they let you make monthly installments and stuff like that and. Yeah, so. And we always stayed in the cheapest frame in the interior of the ship and. And of course smuggled on our alcohol what we could get away with. We knew somebody was gonna get busted. But yeah, it was pretty cool because you get to go to different destinations and you never had to unpack. Right. But you get people and all the food you could want. I remember I took my nephew who's now in his mid-30s, one of them. And that dude ordered room service like 24 hours a day nonstop.

[Cindy Overton]

I would Too.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, it was just ridiculous. I. I go in his room, he had like 10 plates stacked up.

[Cindy Overton]

I don't know. I might think that might be you, too. Yeah, well, he's a mini you.

[Woody Overton]

Well, they even have some cruises that go out in New Orleans now. They go out of Galveston, Texas, and Mobile, Alabama and everywhere else, probably. But the. A lot of them still go out of the Miami area, right? The little short cruises and all that stuff. Well, you know, people get on the cruise and a lot of them like to act a fool, okay? And it's just true. It's the way that it is. And this. This one's a little bit different than planes, trains and automobiles, but it is a form of transportation being. It's a cruise ship, all right? So, you know, people get on there and they. Alcohol is flowing and just, you know, just. I. I can tell you, like Steve O. And I, when we went, we literally partied until we were pulling in the Cozumel and they were saying we were just going to bed. They were like, you. You know, passengers can get off for the day trip or whatever, and a lot of that goes on. Right? And you could buy the drink pass unlimited drinks and all that. Well, deputies for the Miami Dade Sheriff's office got them a couple arrest.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

And one guy was named Jose Diaz. He's 36. Other ones, Ricardo Leal, 37. And they arrested them when the cruise ship, the Royal Caribbean's Independence of the Seas, pulled into the dock on March 21st in Miami. Okay. The two men, who both are Mexican nationals, are accused of lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor and molesting a minor in connection with an incident that happened on the ship on March 20th. Guess where it happened on the ship?

[Cindy Overton]

In the dining room.

[Woody Overton]

I think that would be the pool. That'd really be up in the cruise ship sauna.

[Cindy Overton]

The poor sauna.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. I'd never been in a sign on a cruise show. But one of the men is also facing a charge of sexual battery, while the other one has another charge for not revealing he had his std. Absolutely. He had hiv.

[Cindy Overton]

Jeez.

[Woody Overton]

Right. And he didn't. He didn't tell the minor that.

[Cindy Overton]

He's going to say, hey, I got hiv, and I'm.

[Woody Overton]

Exactly. Let me put my. Yeah, my nastiness in you. But. So the victim says incident occurred when he found himself in the sauna with the two strangers, Diaz and Leo, or Liao. He said that both Diaz and Liao began to form a sex act in front of him. Right. I guess trying to get him to join in. And then they start to form the same sex act on him without his consent. Ultimately they did it to him and then they forced him to perform it on him. Assuming it's oral sex. Yeah, I don't know that. So then they get off the cruise ship. I guess they think everything's gonna be great.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, what did they.

[Woody Overton]

Well, evidently their sugar turner shit. Right? So. Because they got taken into custody and the man with HIV said you, I want a lawyer. And the other dude says that the victim in the six acts were consensual. Right. Both men were denied bond at a hearing over the weekend or being held in custody with an immigration hole. So that's just a little quick, shorty.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

If you're in a cruise ship, I mean, do you think that actually works out for people Sometimes?

[Cindy Overton]

Apparently.

[Woody Overton]

The. Okay, just. You give me a blow job in front of the stranger. We'll. And I'll give you one and we'll see if we get them to join in.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, you always.

[Woody Overton]

And it's a kit.

[Cindy Overton]

You always say if someone's like a pick whatever it is. If they score once out of a hundred tries, whatever.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, right. The one. If you try it 100 times, they.

[Cindy Overton]

Might have sat in there all day doing their. Waiting for someone.

[Woody Overton]

Maybe. I might have to research that. I hadn't done a Cruise in probably 20 years.

[Cindy Overton]

But let's go do some R D.

[Woody Overton]

I was talking about the cruise ships. I know their hookup stuffs, but the. Maybe the sauna is like the glory hole, the cruise ship.

[Cindy Overton]

There's a bunch of gyms in like Los Angeles that are closing the sauna part of the gym because it has become.

[Woody Overton]

People have sex. Really?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

That's crazy. The. I mean, you never think about it, but people are going to have sex.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, I said Los Angeles because I heard about it from a story. Los Angeles, it could be everywhere.

[Woody Overton]

Back in the 80s and 90s, they used to have bath houses and that's where people would go like a Russian bath house or whatever. And they'd go in there and do it.

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, I think that was kind of like a known thing though. Like.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure if you're on the Royal Caribbean. I don't know.

[Cindy Overton]

I have. Tracy went and got a massage in Wisconsin and she had quite an experience. She thought that she was gonn get, what do you call it? Happy ending. She was doing everything she could to avoid that. She was like, oh my gosh.

[Woody Overton]

And then I don't know about that.

[Cindy Overton]

And then Shane went with her to get a pedicure, and the same masseuse asked him if he wanted a massage. He's like, no, that's okay.

[Woody Overton]

I'm good. I'm good. That dude was trying to give a deep tissue massage.

[Cindy Overton]

Real deep tissue.

[Woody Overton]

Well, what do you have for us? We're going across the pond.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

It's time for Worldwide crime. What you got?

[Cindy Overton]

So we're going to the French Alps.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. And on July 8, 2023, there was this young boy, Emile Solyer. He's very French.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

And. And he's walking the streets probably, so yay. S O L I E L I.

[Woody Overton]

Don'T know, I was just making it up.

[Cindy Overton]

Soleil is like, baby, I really was just teasing.

[Woody Overton]

I was making it. I was trying to interrupt you.

[Cindy Overton]

So two. Two neighbors report seeing this boy walking alone around 5:15. And I think maybe more than reporting should have been done. This little boy was two years old.

[Woody Overton]

Really?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

In the French Alps. By himself.

[Cindy Overton]

By himself. He went to stay the summer with his maternal grandparents.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

And so he was there, he was visiting. I would love to go and spend the summer in the French Alps with anyone. Right. I think that'd be pretty cool. But at 5:15, when they then the neighbors, you know, reported seeing him and walking alone, they decide the grandparents, you know, apparently they put in a search. They couldn't find him ever again. So there was like volunteers, helicopters, drones, search dogs, and no sign of the toddler ever came up.

[Woody Overton]

But how did a 2 year old get away from the grandparents and go.

[Cindy Overton]

Walk in and out, listen to the story. So nine months later, there's a hiker. So in March of 2024, a hiker discovers a small skull.

[Woody Overton]

That's what happens usually during the beginning of every hunting season or, you know, people out in the woods picking berries or hiking or camping or whatever. They find dead people and they found.

[Cindy Overton]

He found the skull. And of course in the skull is some teeth. Right, Right. So they send it off to have DNA testing and it is. Convert confirmed that it is definitely a meal the two year old. So then more searches happened and then they found additional bones.

[Woody Overton]

Yes, because the animals scatter out the.

[Cindy Overton]

Bones and clothing scattered. And despite all of those findings, the cause of death remained undetermined. And which of course left the community.

[Woody Overton]

Kind of hard to do when you don't have anything.

[Cindy Overton]

Right. And it left the community, of course, you know, just with tons of questions, who did this? Obviously there's concern for them. You know, so the case took a significant turn though, in March of 2025, and authorities arrested Emile's guess who.

[Woody Overton]

Grandparents.

[Cindy Overton]

That's right. Philippe and Ann Vedovini, along with two of their adult children on suspicion of voluntary homicide and concealment of a corpse. The arrest followed months of investigation, including forensic examination and the analysis of previously unheard phone calls.

[Woody Overton]

Uh oh.

[Cindy Overton]

Searches were conducted at the Vedavinis. That's kind of fun to say.

[Woody Overton]

Vedivini reminds me of being a sausage. Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

But searches were conducted at their primary residence as well as other locations connected to the family. And that's where we're at. So with that, you know, the arrest and everything, they're waiting for trial and, you know, at least there's some kind of closure that they have connected them to this little boy's case. But we don't know why, we don't know how.

[Woody Overton]

Whatever the phone calls are, I don't know. The rule is on that how do you get a search warrant for somebody's phone calls? That's. That's an interesting one. Yeah. Bad for the baby. But you know, you know, I gotta ask. Does France have the death penalty?

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[Woody Overton]

I found this on the web. Capital punishment France voted as a constitutional amendment by the Congress of French parlance in 19 February 2007. Simply state no one can be sentenced to death penalty. Okay. Well, that's unfortunate for that baby because they deserve to die. Yeah. So there's. There. You have that. Well, let's go to Hawaii.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay.

[Woody Overton]

And you and I got to go with Shane and Tracy and went to Maui. Beautiful place and all that. Don't need to go back, but, you know, still a popular destination for people from America to go hang out in the islands. Right?

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And a doctor is one of the people who like to go. And he brought his wife with him and, you know, they were just having a good time and they're in the prime of their lives and all that good stuff. Well, they were on Oahu, Ohio. Hawaii. Right. They were just hiking along and. And there's a trail and it's a lot. Very mountainous. Like, I got a stuck on the side. Me and Shane stuck on the side mountain in a minivan that said do not drive down here. And I did it anyway. Story for another day. But the doctor and his wife, you know, they were hiking and his wife almost pushed. He tried to. Oh, my God. The doctor in Hawaii is under arrest. Police say he struck his wife with a rock and then tried to push her off a cliff.

[Cindy Overton]

You know why she didn't make him breakfast?

[Woody Overton]

No. Because she didn't want to take a picture with him.

[Cindy Overton]

What?

[Woody Overton]

Yep. So they haven't Released her name, but she survived the Monday, March 24, attack in Ohio. Ohio, how are you? Say it, y'all. But she's in critical condition in this, according to Honolulu pd. Now, the cops arrested Gerhardt Koenig, and he's an anesthesiologist in Maui. Evidently they live there. But he's. He's from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He ran like a little, but he didn't get far. And the cops got him after the brief pursuit. Now, the cops say that Koenig, who's 46, attacked his wife, who's 36, after she reportedly refused to take a photo with him. In response, Koenigsegg attempted to throw her off a hiking trail and struck her in the head with a rock. She suffered multiple injuries to her head and face as a result. And during the incident, Koenig allegedly attempted to poke the woman with two syringes. This is all cord in the Hawaii News now. And anyway, the couple were at Pali Lookout area, which is stands in an elevation of 1200ft. So she had had a way to fall and it had winds so strong that one can lean against the wall of the wind. This is according to the Division of State Parks. So she evidently she fell a little bit. She didn't fall far, but they said it was. It's not immediately clear how far she had fallen, but Koenig is a partner at the Anesthesia Medical Group in Maui, and he has since been suspended from practice pending the investigation. He's also a former attending anesthesiologist, Women's hospital under the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine, and his charges are pending. Now, I'm pretty sure I've heard some lame ass excuses why you want to kill your wife. Yeah, I mean, beat her in the head with a rock. Try to. You brought a syringe or syringes. Hiking with you filled God knows what to do. Whatever, maybe injector and then shove her ass off when she's loopy. But the. This whole. I did it because she refused to take a photo with me. That's not gonna fly. No, it's not gonna fly.

[Cindy Overton]

She looked at me wrong. It could have been. She said green. Like he went up there with the intent.

[Woody Overton]

He probably had the antenna saying that back up to the edge. I want to get a picture in the edge. And when she gets back to the edge, you run up and shove and push her off. But maybe she was a little bit wise just playing. And instead she got a rock to the head and then he was going to shove her off. But thank God, she's alive. All walks of life, we do not discriminate on bad people. On this show, you could be the doctor or whatever.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

The janitor. Doesn't matter.

[Cindy Overton]

No. An anesthesiologist to a zoologist. A to zone covers.

[Woody Overton]

A to Z. We are. We do not discriminate. We will tell you about the bad people.

[Cindy Overton]

Hit the letter T. Now.

[Woody Overton]

T for Tesla.

[Cindy Overton]

No, I got that too, but no T for. With the other one you were gonna say. I think the first one that came.

[Woody Overton]

To your head theologists. Oh, I don't know.

[Cindy Overton]

I thought you were gonna say teacher.

[Woody Overton]

No, I'm sure there's plenty of teacher to go around.

[Cindy Overton]

Let me what's the weirdest? Okay. What's the longest you've ever held your urine? You've had to go potty. Was. Or you had to urinate. Can't talk like a mommy on here.

[Woody Overton]

I don't. Potty.

[Cindy Overton]

You had to pee, right? How long did you hold that?

[Woody Overton]

I don't know. Because we used to play. We still do sometimes play drinking games where you empty your bladder before you start drinking, and then you start drinking and call it breaking the seal. And whoever breaks the seal first is the loser. And I have no idea how long it is, but it's been a significant amount of time. But probably. I mean, you got to factor in that you're drinking.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, yeah, factoring your drinking. And you and I did that for hours. I mean, you and I used to.

[Woody Overton]

Do it at six, seven hours.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah, Right. Okay. And so then where is the most. The weirdest or the most awful place you've ever gone potty? Urinated. Where you should not have.

[Woody Overton]

On myself.

[Cindy Overton]

In public.

[Woody Overton]

I don't know. I wouldn't answer that if I did know.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay, well, we have a teacher.

[Woody Overton]

I Pete. All of over in public. To be honest with you, I know.

[Cindy Overton]

I've been with you. I just didn't know if swim. Wanted to talk. Yeah, it was Okay.

[Woody Overton]

I can't think of anything. You caught me but cold on that one.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay. Well, On Monday morning, March 18th of this year, Wilson elementary school teacher in Phoenix, Arizona. He was with his students in this sixth. It's an elementary school, but it has sixth grade math teacher. Three of his students. Three of his students started hearing a water sound like the sound of liquid falling. And they start looking around and they see their teacher with his penis out.

[Woody Overton]

Okay.

[Cindy Overton]

Peeing into a garbage can.

[Woody Overton]

Nice.

[Cindy Overton]

They see his penis.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

And other students see his penis.

[Woody Overton]

I mean, that's what happens when you pee in the garbage can in the classroom.

[Cindy Overton]

Right, Right. So by mid morning, three students made their way to the principal's office to tell the principal, Malachi Wadzkicki, that they had seen the teacher urinating in the classroom. Mr. Kenton was seated at his desk, urinating into a can, and they could see his genitals. He was not behind a partition or shielded in a. Shielded.

[Woody Overton]

You don't pee in your classroom, period, even if nobody's in the classroom.

[Cindy Overton]

So police were called immediately, and then a fourth student came forward with a similar story. So investigators from the Phoenix Police Department visited the classroom and confirmed that Hinton's desk was indeed exposed in ways that students could easily see what was going on beneath it. And when they interviewed Hinton, he did not deny going to the. I mean, how can he deny going to the restroom, urinating in his classroom?

[Woody Overton]

I can't wait to hear this.

[Cindy Overton]

He admitted to it, and this is what he said. He said that he had to go badly, and he didn't know of any other teachers at the school to ask for a break. So he defaulted to what he said he learned during his military service. When you can't leave your post, you improvise. He claimed he tried to be discreet, using his hand to shield himself, and he didn't think any students had seen anything inappropriate. But police weren't convinced. Hinton was arrested and charged with four counts of indecent exposure.

[Woody Overton]

What a freaking idiot.

[Cindy Overton]

So I just. And of course, I was a teacher, and there.

[Woody Overton]

What our teachers used to do and say, okay, Woody, you monitor the class. I'll be back in two minutes.

[Cindy Overton]

You can't do that anymore. But we always have a. A buddy teacher, and those buddy teachers do what they do. Or you have a bell that rings every 50 minutes to every hour and a half, and you run in between classes, just like your students do to go to the restroom.

[Woody Overton]

Like, okay, I'm just.

[Cindy Overton]

No excuse.

[Woody Overton]

I don't understand. I don't understand. I don't understand. And this one's gonna upset a lot of people. It's time for Beast Mode. We do some crazy beast mode stories. All right, and y'all stay tuned on Real Life, Real Crime, because we're about to take up, I believe if it's in the work, it's in the works. You know, I do Lopa, L.A. organ Procurement Agency, and I'm about to take up human sex trafficking. And that's more on. That's to come the. As one of our. I mean, causes.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And we have a lady who was Trafficked, that's going to be on the show and everything else and, and all that.

[Cindy Overton]

And she's doing great things.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, she's doing great things now, but she, she helps people that have been sex trafficked. Right. But more on that to come. But my other calls is, and dear to my heart right now is what?

[Cindy Overton]

Dementia.

[Woody Overton]

Dementia.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

All right. Dementia is horrible. Yes, absolutely horrible. And I won't get into it for personal reasons, but the, I mean, it's just nothing nice about it. And, and it's just absolutely horrible. And when you, you know, when you're going through it and like I said, it's, it's like a homicide or migraine and everybody knows what it you go through. Right. Well, I'm gonna tell you about this 76 year old that had dementia and required 24 hour care. And we're dealing with that now. They have a woman. We're going to Colorado, by the way. Colorado. The. They have a woman in Colorado who's facing a criminal negligence charge and more than 50 counts of animal cruelty. You know why? Because her mama, her own mama that gave birth to her, spit her out, has dementia. Right. And she, Wait, she, she leaves her mama, who has the dementia home alone.

[Cindy Overton]

And Pete's animals.

[Woody Overton]

No, she left. The girl left. Mama has dementia. She's home alone. And I've said home alone. I'm sorry. Home alone without any other human beings. And there were dozens of loose and caged dogs. You can see where this is going. So the daughter's name is Jessica Hoff. She's 47. And they arrested her on Friday, March 21st because her mama, 76 year old Lavon Hoff, got murdered. All right. And escorted Pueblo County Sheriff's office. Debbie said they were sent to the mom and daughter's home in Colorado City on February 3rd after receiving a report about an unconscious woman. And when they got there, they found several dogs running around the house and another approximately two dozen dogs and seven birds in cages in the house. So of course deputies got there and they see it and they call in medical and meta personnel got there and they pronounce Ms. Lavon dead at the scene. Of course, to grandfather an autopsy and autopsy comes back and says she died from injuries from the dog attacks. Jeez, it was amazing, right? And not amazing, but I just can't imagine.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

So it said Levon Hoff reportedly had dementia and required 24 hour care. And Jessica left her mom home alone to run errands in Pueblo, which is about 25 miles away from the house. Detectives said they searched for another Colorado City property owned by Jessica where they found 54 dogs and seven birds in her possession. Said the dogs and birds were found living in unsanitary conditions and several of the dogs were in poor health and the Sheriff's office worked with animal law enforcement to seize the dogs and the birds. But Sheriff's office also added that Jessica's officially been charged with criminal negligence which resulted in the death of an at risk adult as well as 54 counts of aggravated cruelty of animals. In the court records, which retained by People said she has been booked into the Pueblo County Jail and a bond set at $50,000. Now let's talk about this. Who in the needs 54 dolls and seven birds?

[Cindy Overton]

I mean, they don't say anywhere that she was a rescuer. I mean she, you know, I don't know.

[Woody Overton]

She's. I mean, I guess people who were different things.

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[Woody Overton]

You gotta know your dog's got some tendencies. Whatever breed it may be, whatever it is you leave at home. I don't know where the 24 hour care person was or maybe she was supposed to that was her shift of the 24 hour care. But the when you're in that stage of dementia, I mean, come on man, you know, it's just bad. But I can't imagine not being in your right mind because your your brain is sick from the dementia. Whether you're hallucinating and and the paranoia and all the different things and there's a. Obviously people have different types of dementia. I'm talking about what we know and he's seeing things and all this stuff that's very real for them in their brain. And then she gets eaten to death by dogs.

[Cindy Overton]

And it's. I mean Jessica didn't kill her and leave, leave her there to be eaten by the dogs to conceal anything that, you know, I would have much rather that than getting mauled to death alive by dogs.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

You know what I mean?

[Woody Overton]

Like hopefully the, the mom was so far gone dementia wise, she didn't, I can't say didn't remember it because she ended up dead. I mean just, just wild. I mean the negligence part, I'm sure the daughter feels bad about it, but she shouldn't otherwise they wouldn't have charged her. Right. So yeah. You know, you got problems with your dogs and, and what have you that like negligent homicide in the state of Louisiana is when you show a person shows such lack of care for another human being that a reasonable person would have shown that lack of care results in this person's death. That's what she's charged with.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm in somewhat sane mind and I wouldn't want to be in a room with all of those dogs.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

And fees be able to hopefully try to protect myself and I can't imagine having dementia and frail and not having any.

[Woody Overton]

It's not like these dogs were well taken care of. They.

[Cindy Overton]

No, they're gonna feed in frenzy deplorable.

[Woody Overton]

Conditions and everything else. There you go. Hate it for that lady. And I'm sure the girl had no intention that her dogs were either mama. But they did. And. But the dimension part just me up.

[Cindy Overton]

I guess so. Well, I might be able to lift your spirits a little bit.

[Woody Overton]

All right, try that.

[Cindy Overton]

I've got a solved cold case.

[Woody Overton]

Yay.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

When a cold case gets solved.

[Cindy Overton]

So. And is it Minot? M O N O T? North Dakota?

[Woody Overton]

Close enough for me.

[Cindy Overton]

Okay, so in the summer of 2007, June 3rd, in Minot, North Dakota there was an 18 year old Anita Knutson found dead in her off campus apartment. She was described as being bright, kind hearted. She was a student at Minot State University and her brutal murder shook the community. She was stabbed twice in the chest as she laid in her bed. And the crime scene showed no signs of forced entry. A screen had been cut out from the bedroom window, possibly showing how the killer either got out or got in.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, or both.

[Cindy Overton]

But there was no suspects.

[Woody Overton]

Sometimes they cut a screen they just. To throw them off where they did get in. Make like four century.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

Well, it's really somebody that had interest.

[Cindy Overton]

And when you. When you hear this, that's probably. So no suspects and no arrests are made at all. Fifteen years go by, and there was many interviews done. There was, you know, DNA testing. The investigation continued until it was just basically cold. And Anita's family continued to wait. They were hoping for justice.

[Woody Overton]

That's the. So I'm going to talk about that real quick. So many people, like all these people that reached out to me this week after the Dateline, they are, you know, like Ms. Stephanie did and the pushes and all them. Did. They. They just want to believe.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

That the case is going to get solved. Want to believe that they never. Probably never had any interaction with the cops in their entire lives.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

And want to believe that this is going to be the priority. This is going to get solved, and they're going to do everything they can. And I'm sure they were told that.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And. But you know what? You only do so long, and the other bodies are gonna hit the ground and other cases are gonna come up. And it's sad, but that's just the way that it is.

[Cindy Overton]

And detectives and investigators move, like, you know, like, they go to different departments or people retire. Yeah, they retire. Like, it just kind of. I mean, there's no excuse, but it happens. But finally, In March of 2022, police arrested someone good. And they arrested a girl, a woman named Nicole Rice.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, as you alluded to earlier, Nicole was Anita's roommate.

[Woody Overton]

There you have it.

[Cindy Overton]

And back in 2007, the two had shared the small apartment while attending college. And there was like, stories kills a.

[Woody Overton]

Friendship faster being a roommate.

[Cindy Overton]

Right. And there was stories of like 10. I mean, you know, like, you always say roommates.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. You shave my food.

[Cindy Overton]

Right.

[Woody Overton]

You know, whatever. You went in and borrowed my clothes when I just washed my clean clothes. Motherfucker. What are you doing wearing my shirt?

[Cindy Overton]

Exactly. Stuff like that. And there was, like, stories of. Of minor tensions between them, like an unplugged fish tank, an alarm clock that wouldn't stop going off. You would murder someone over an alarm clock?

[Woody Overton]

I can't stand an alarm clock.

[Cindy Overton]

If that alarm clock goes off the first second, I'm out the bed with that thing turned off.

[Woody Overton]

I set mine all the time, but I never have to hear, always wake up a couple minutes before it goes on.

[Cindy Overton]

You do you really?

[Woody Overton]

My mama told me that when I was young, we had the camp on False River And I was so eager until about five, six years old. I'm so eager to get up and go fishing right before daylight, because we go. I think it's called the West End Bakery, and get the French bread and come back while I was still dark and being a little OCD head that I was. And mom was like, all you gotta do is say over and over again in your brain what time you want to wake up. And you'll wake up at that time that I've been using it the rest of my life. You have.

[Cindy Overton]

You really always do. So there was just, like, stories like that, and nothing that, you know, anybody would ever think would lead to murder.

[Woody Overton]

Right.

[Cindy Overton]

But police now believe, obviously, something more happened. Some type of argument, a moment of rage, something like that. So Nicole Rice was finally arrested. She's married now, so she goes by Thomas, but she pleaded not guilty. But part of the answers lie with a television show called Cold Justice.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah, I like to show this. That's where the. If I. If I'm not mistaken, it's where the former prosecutor goes. Goes to these different places. She spends seven days or one week, and she brings her top investigators with her, and they reenact the scene, and they go through. And they've actually solved a lot of cases.

[Cindy Overton]

I've watched that with you a little bit. And so they went to Minot to film an episode and help dig deeper into the case. And their involvement seemed to reignite momentum, and that led to Rice's arrest literally shortly after they wrapped filming. So that's really cool.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

So fast forward now to March of 2025, and Nicole Rice is now 37 years old, and finally on trial. The prosecution says that they will show that Rice killed her roommate in a moment of rage.

[Woody Overton]

Literally in the open statements of the trial, they're laying out what they're gonna.

[Cindy Overton]

Do, and they literally are thinking that the alarm clock was the major cause of it, and that that was the moment that Rice snapped and stabbed.

[Woody Overton]

How the hell do they know if she's not talking?

[Cindy Overton]

The defense says that that theory is, you know, ridiculous. But there, you know, that's just what they threw out there. Like you said in opening statements, she.

[Woody Overton]

Must have told somebody that they had to. I. I hadn't seen that episode of Cold justice, but the. They'll go and interview people, and, you know, it's. I can't say you're at an advantage coming in on Cold Case, but if you have the experience in all the case file and everything, you can, you know, certainly armchair quarterback and Find things that they miss. But what they do on this show, they go out and try to find all these witnesses all these years later, and probably somebody said, oh, yeah, well, you know what she told me one night she was all up and she told the alarm clock went off.

[Cindy Overton]

Well, and that's what. There's two key witnesses. Christina Holler, who was Rice's friend, she testified back in 2012 that Rice confessed to her.

[Woody Overton]

There you go.

[Cindy Overton]

The girl says, I'm not 100%. Word for word, Holler told the court, but she said she got into an argument with Anita and stabbed her. She said the fight was over that same alarm clock.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah.

[Cindy Overton]

And she later reported the confession to the police. And then a man, William May, who briefly dated Rice, told the jury that she confessed to him back at a party in 2018.

[Woody Overton]

And Venus is Veritas. Right. So she gets wasted and spills the beans, if you will. You know what? You're not going to say that. You're not going to say that even in just. I mean, unless you did it, like. Yeah, you know, whatever. Her alarm clock was going off, so I murder her ass.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. Just kind of reminded a few different things, you know, someone so close to her. Right. The confessions. Right. It reminded me of Courtney.

[Woody Overton]

Oh, yeah. Well, that's. I don't know. I don't know. The. I'm glad they solved it, and I hope they get the conviction. But you know what? Even if they don't get the conviction, which I. They probably will, then they went for it. Right. And if you got nothing else. And you know what? Here's an example of Haley's case. They know this show is going to be. So this show, at the very end, they'll send the detectives in while they wait in the car to talk with the DA and they present the evidence, they come back home, say whether the day is going to die or not. And I can't think of no more damning aspect than you got. You found two witnesses after all these years that she said, hey, I did it. And, you know, that's. I mean, it's powerful.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And even according to Coco's trial that all the people he told that he did it, some of them, you know, were questionable, what have you, of character. Like, the one guy was homeless and they had to find him in St. Louis or somewhere. But. And he was in custody.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

When they brought him in and he got up there and he said. He told me he did it and. And that the lawyer was. The defense lawyer was keys. And being a drug ADD or whatever. He said, you look like you own drugs. Back to. And then. And he turns to David Anthony Burns. He said, he said, why don't you tell these. Be a man and tell these people what you told me. That you murdered her.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

And so kudos for them on solving a cold case.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah. That's really cool.

[Woody Overton]

And a lot of times they don't, you know, less than 1% ever get solved. But the good, good deal. And we love to see justice being served.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

Served at justice and. And you know, and there's that.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

There you have it. And that's all we have. Y'all go get your tickets while they last Saturday, July 19th, live on the stage. VIP event to follow. And Ham is such a great town.

[Cindy Overton]

It is.

[Woody Overton]

Or city. And. And some of the best food and local hole in the wall dives and. And we'll have all the restaurants and everything listed in the best place. So I'm not, of course you can go to the Ritzias, but I like the hamburger joints and the cold beer places and. And what have you. So.

[Cindy Overton]

So I had a call with Tangy Tangipahoa Tourism yesterday and Michelle and Ashley are helping us. They are doing by twofold for us. They're doing a map of the town with all the different places to go. But then for our more younger generation that likes to do things on their phone, they're going to do where you scan a QR code and go to everything.

[Woody Overton]

So I still haven't figured out how that works.

[Cindy Overton]

They're working with us and really trying to help make it.

[Woody Overton]

Yeah. And of course the people at Shout Outs, Crystal Horse and all the staff at Southeastern, they're amazing.

[Cindy Overton]

Yeah.

[Woody Overton]

So. But I can promise you this. They won't be there for long. And I think three months plus what we gave y'all to get them, you know, is. Is meaning advanced time. But you know, because people schedule vacations and like that and so. But it's gonna be a hell of a great night and. And weekend. We can't wait to see you all there. And that's all I have for today. And I'm Woody Overton.

[Cindy Overton]

I'm Cindy Overton.

[Woody Overton]

Holler at y'all later. Peace.

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[Woody Overton]

Fees.

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